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speaker-0: I had a class of kids who weren't listening, they were hitting each other. I had a kid strangling kids with ⁓ his shoelace. He was stabbing kids with pencils. I started learning about positive behavior support and about just child behavior. And every time kids are behaving a certain way, they're communicating something with their behavior. The problem is with gentle parenting that a lot of people hear the word gentle and they think that means take out the structure, take out the boundaries, take out the consequences. Authoritative parenting is obviously the psychology gold standard. It's like what we like strive for as parents is what we want to teach in child development classes and parenting classes. It's actually safer for a kid to have boundaries and have clear expectations than to have no rules at all.
speaker-1: Everyone needs to meet Lauren, my sister, who yes is a parenting coach. We'll talk about it. She's the good kind. ⁓ but also she's the one who keeps me in check when I get a little bit too nerdy online. So
speaker-0: I don't know if you can be kept in check, to be honest.
speaker-1: She she wasn't she wasn't raised to appreciate the finer things in life like Lord of the Rings. So it's all right. We she she missed that one. ⁓ well Lauren a lot of my audience has issue with with parenting, parenting coaches. You have issue with parenting coaches like the the ⁓ the cliche. Tell me what you do and how you're not that. Just get the get the elephant out of the room.
speaker-0: So there's a lot of just life coaches, parenting coaches, coaches in general out in the world, business coaches. I mean, there's every person can become a coach. And it's I don't think it's a bad thing to become a coach, but I think because there's no ethics in coaching, you can say that you're a coach with no qualifications and then you can coach people like without having any experience or research to back it up. And so then either Chat GPT is actually the coach or you're just coaching things that you don't really truly know. ⁓ or know that works. And so it can be I can I just it can get really ugly and confusing and same thing with therapy, like therapy over life coaches. I think there are amazing life coaches out there, but because there's no ethics, you just have to be careful about who you trust and what their qualifications are when you choose to work with them.
speaker-1: Right. It's totally unregulated space.
speaker-0: Makes me different What makes me different? Is that what we want to know?
speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. I mean you've got a background in this, you've studied it, you've got a master's degree. Tell tell the audience kind of about where you're coming from and in your expertise.
speaker-0: So I I love child behavior. Let me just back up and kind of tell my story how I got into this. So I was a preschool teacher. I ⁓ graduated in like twenty thirteen and I got no twenty fourteen. I got married in twenty thirteen. We wanted to start a family, but we had trouble with infertility. So I started as a preschool teacher and I just was doing that until we were able to get pregnant. ⁓ and we were, you know, taking medications and doing all this stuff, all these all these appointments. and it it led me to actually a really hard class one year. So I had a class of kids, I had about seven kids that needed behavior plans. They weren't coming to the circle, they weren't listening, they were hitting each other. I had a kid strangling kids with ⁓ his shoelace, he was stabbing kids with pencils. And at our at our center, the the goal of the center was never to expel a kid. And the problem with this for me was I didn't have support for my director and I didn't have support in college to learn any of these things. And so I was crying like every day. I'm trying to build a family. My class is in chaos. My director is like s like she ended up not working there for very long after that. ⁓ which is a whole nother story. But I started working with my professor, who's, you know, the program director. And like, what do I do about this class? How do I learn this? And I started learning about positive behavior support and about just child behavior. And every time kids are behaving a certain way, they're communicating something with their behavior. And so as we learned this, we were able to help this kid not only just stay in the preschool, but thrive in the preschool, start to develop friendships. ⁓ and it was an awesome, awesome turn in events that actually led me to go to grad school. So I graduated with two babies in grad school. I started grad school 38 weeks, pregnant with my son. And then for the last seven years, very, very part-time, I've been a behavior coach at the university for a child care center there. So I got my start in this by being a preschool teacher and being educated in that, but Really, when I studied with my master's program and I did my thesis, like I could have just used like factor analysis data. ⁓ but I really wanted to get into people's homes and do research in people's homes to see like how can we stop challenging behavior? And it was awesome, awesome experience. So that's how that's how I got my start. That's what I do. and it's it's also I don't I don't have a B C B A. So there's different behavior people who do that and there's different coaches who do this. ⁓ so I'm very like kind of centered on Child development and just kind of understanding who the child is and helping them to communicate their needs differently with their behaviors.
speaker-1: And I mean you you've told me stories of just some of the wild like cases you've worked. You've definitely worked with the the most difficult of of cases, it seems. So what can parents do to implement good parenting tactics without I don't know, they w w knowing that it's it's backed from a good place, that it that it's actually going to work, it's going to be helpful. Rather than just listening to the the people they see on
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speaker-0: I think that there's there's a lot of power in each of us, I think, where it's like we know our kids the best, we know what's gonna work for our kids the best. We're the expert of our own children and even me who maybe is knowledgeable about behavior, I don't know I know my kids and I know the kids I work with and I can work with you on those kids. ⁓ but sometimes I don't know what's best. And so I think it's like taking pieces of information and like does this feel like it will work for my child? And I think The best way to do this is to align it with our own personal kids' temperaments, personality, desires, motivations. What's gonna work for one kid doesn't work for another kid, and what worked for our generation isn't gonna work for this generation. And so I think so much much of it comes down to like individually, even within my own four kids. I'm gonna parent, my first kid, different than my third kid. Sometimes we have the same rules in our house, but the way that I teach souls to each of the kids is going to change from circumstance to circumstance. So To answer your question, there's a lot of information we consume, but what feels best for you? Because even if your mom's telling you it it might not feel the best for you, ⁓ you've gotta figure that out for your kid and also pray about it and just see what works in that way.
speaker-1: So I think one of the biggest concerns that psychologists are having, I've been reading a few different articles ⁓ about this. Psychology Today put one out about psychologists are really worried that parents are so concerned with the happiness of their children that they're just kind of these helicopter parents and it's like ruining a generation where you have these these kids who that they're not struggling. They're not ⁓ getting the chance to to be corrected or be helped by A parental figure. And I think that's a concern for a lot of people. There's a book, Bad Therapy, that goes into this as well. It's like we have the most therapeutic generation we've ever had, the a generation going to therapy more than ever before, and yet they hate their parents and they don't want to have kids. And it's just like, what's going on with that? What what do you think we can do to to counter that?
speaker-0: So I think that this comes down to a little bit of like understanding I guess the benefits of certain parenting styles and one might feel better, like, ⁓ if I just take away the boundaries and I just let them feel loved, then I think I'm doing a good job because my kid doesn't feel any pain. But that can be a problem in the long run because then they're not learning responsibility or independence or structure or you know, everything's kind of just done for them. And so I think Maybe it'd be a good time to talk about like different parenting styles and how ⁓ each of them have benefits and some maybe have pros and some have more cons than pros. ⁓
speaker-1: Yeah, I'm I'm not familiar with an really any of these. The only one I'm familiar with is authoritative parenting, which from my understanding is is the one that most experts recommend some form of. Right.
speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So s so let's start there. So authorit authoritative parent. So back in school we had authoritative wow. Author authoritative parenting, authoritarian parenting, permissive parenting, and neglectful parenting. And so when we were like learning psychology parenting styles, this is kind of the four that we went off of. So authoritative parenting is a high warmth, high structure. So I'll just go through all of them. So Authoritarian parenting is high structure. So a lot of boundaries, a lot of rules, a lot of you will do this, but low warmth. And then neglectful parenting is low warmth. So you're not getting a lot of that emotional connection. And then it's also low structure. So it's just completely ignore, you know, just like let them live on their own. And then permissive parenting is high warmth. So it's like that emotional where it's like, ⁓ we're gonna take care of you, like whatever you need, baby. But then low structure. So not a lot of rules, not a lot of boundaries. Okay, so authoritarian authoritative parenting is obviously the psychology gold standard. It's like what we like strive for as parents, is what we want to teach in child development classes and parenting classes. ⁓ the key traits of this are gonna be like having clear expectations and rules, knowing what to expect. It's actually safer for a kid to have boundaries and have clear expectations. than to have no rules at all. Sometimes it feels like, ⁓ I don't want to be like the mean mom and have all these rules. But if they know what to expect and they have boundaries, they're gonna actually feel safer in that relationship because they know, you know, it's coming. ⁓ also warmth and responsiveness. So when they mess up
speaker-1: So ⁓ re real quick, I d something that's really interesting about this is this is I think in the Mission President's handbook, I've had r trainings on this on my mission as well as like from stake leaders locally. They they have this same quadrant that they draw where they say high expectations, high love, low love, low expectations and they kinda map it out. So I've gotten this training over and over and over again. I didn't realize you're using the same and I wonder if that's where they got it, but they're using the same kind of quadrants to map out Which it's awesome. Which is just so it's so it's a clear way to look at it. And part of the problem we have in in our culture, I think i either we we go so far as to one side to where we're like traditionalists and we're just the rules matter, but when then we forget to like love and minister to people. Or you go the other route and you just remove all the rules and expectations, say we don't we want to dismantle the standards because they're harmful or oppressive or something, and then all of a sudden
like we don't We have this therapy gospel where there's all love but there's no mercy or trust or growth. Right. And you're telling me the same thing maps onto parenting.
speaker-0: Yes. And really probably all of our relationships, honestly, if we want to have like strong relationships, we wanna have structure. We wanna have high warmth. We wanna also have, you know, boundaries and and not just and and ⁓ and a meshed family is not a healthy family. We wanna have our own person, our own space, but also have that high warmth. ⁓ so yeah, so we have that warmth and responsiveness. So that means that if our kids mess up We're gonna correct them, we're gonna have boundaries, but we're also gonna do it with warmth and love instead of just with fear and this like throw the hammer down, we this is not acceptable. It's like, hey, I I still love you. And I I personally think this is the way that Jesus parents in the scriptures and or Heavenly Father parents us in the scriptures, where it's like he he's he's warm with us, but he also has expectations for us. And when we mess up, there's consequences, but he never takes away our identity. And I think that that is an amazing example of how to live our own lives and how to parent our own children. ⁓ and also in authoritative parenting, there are natural and logical consequences. And there are just really healthy ways to do that where it's you're getting these emotionally healthy kids ⁓ without just letting the rules go out the window. And so yeah, it's it's a very evidence supported parenting style and gentle parenting, when done correctly, actually falls under this umbrella.
speaker-1: Okay. So you have the gentle parents who y you you're s some of them fall into the permissive category. Yeah. Where they just I don't don't have the rules, don't enforce things. But then you have those who maybe are are teaching a form of gentle parenting that's like we want to connect with our children first before correcting them or that sort of thing. Is that what you're talking about?
speaker-0: Exactly. So in gentle parenting, the the goal between gentle parenting is you lead with empathy, connection, and respect for the child's feelings while you're guiding the behavior. So it's just basically warmth and structure. It's authoritative parenting. The problem is with gentle parenting that a lot of people hear the word gentle and they think that means take out the structure, take out the boundaries, take out the consequences. It's like, ⁓ like no, we just need to make sure their emotions are cared for because they know they mess up, like We're just gonna l skip over the consequences. ⁓ but gent like true gentle parenting, if you look up the definition, if you study about gentle parenting, the true definition is that there is boundaries. The problem is that sometimes we just skip the boundaries and we're like, ⁓ it's okay, just don't do it again, buddy. And if you've ever been around parents like this, it's actually really hard for your child to interact with these kids because there's no consequences for these kids and then they're scared of them. And it's like, okay, their mom is doing this gentle parenting thing, but it's actually permissive. And it's it's hard because I I lead with compassion because these parents probably were parented in a way that shame their emotions. And so now they're overdoing it with their kids to make sure that they turn out with emotional health. Right. But it's like ⁓ it's just like hard because the cycle went so far the other way. And so it really is important. And and so when I work with parents who ⁓ have a hard time, it's like saying no or like Okay, but like if I say this, then they don't listen. I say it's okay, like it's okay to be like, Hey, I know you're sad, but we're still gonna do X, Y, or Z. It's okay to be sad, but we're still gonna do X, Y, or Z. And it's okay for them to experience emotion, but you stick with the consequence.
speaker-1: So I probably fall on the other side of the spectrum where I'm I'm I'm probably more n not the gentle kind, where I'm maybe a little bit too strict. I sent a meme like ten minutes before the call to to a friend ⁓ that says rule one of parenting, don't negotiate with terrorists, right? ⁓ so so tell me when we have these toddlers, ⁓ give me some give me some situations. Walk me through some situ my kids, we gotta go out the door. They won't put their dang shoes on for twenty minutes. How do you how do you resolve that without get your dang shoes on? You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, I do. I I mean we've ⁓ we've all been there as parents and you know, it's it's a struggle. I mean, we all lose our cool. And I I will say it's th there's one other parenting style that's like conscious parenting that you should look into, Austin. ⁓ where it's like you're you become aware of your own triggers. Parent self regulation and that kind of thing. So you work on yourself before you parent the child. Yeah, that's the one, Austin. ⁓ but it's just like it's it's you know, side note, side plug for that. something that we all really need. But what I will say is we all like we all have moments like that for sure. And I think when I get caught up in that, I'm parenting from a reactive place instead of a proactive place. And so it's like everything feels like an emergency kind of like hurry up, we're gonna be late, get out the door, let's go. And I'm telling them c instruction, instruction, instruction, instruction. But if I go into the same exact morning and I know, okay, I have twenty minutes to get out the door. How can I add choices into their day? How can I like get some feedback from them about it? So I'll be like, okay, it's time to go in 10 minutes. Do you want to get dressed first or do you wanna put your shoes on first? So they're getting a little bit of their own control mixed in there, but it's still within the bounds of what I need them to do. ⁓ so it's like pants on or shoes
on for do you wanna put your shoes on or do you wanna hop like a bunny to the car, or do you wanna walk like a robot to the car? You're adding in silly things to try to get them there. ⁓ but giving as many choices as possible can really help aid that situation of the power struggle.
speaker-1: Yeah, what what form what style of parenting uses the most amount of sarcasm? Because that's definitely
speaker-0: ⁓ I'm there too. I'm there too. And and that's what I love and that's what's hard for me about some of these parenting coaches that are very scripted. Where it's like, okay, dear, like we're gonna sit down. Like I just I have a really hard time with those accounts because I personally have dark humor. I think I'm hilarious. My kids all know I'm sassy, my husband's sassy. We're all very sarcastic. And I think I think it's really important, honestly, to parent true to yourself rather than try to parent like somebody else. So if you're true to your personality, you're letting the kids know, hey, I can be silly. I can be myself. I have these funny traits too. And I feel like our dad was a lot this way. He was just one of a kind. One of a kind. And he was weird. He was very strange. And we inherited that. And I love it.
speaker-1: Yeah. Everything and and if he was ever in charge of cheering you up, it was it was always humor. It was and sometimes
speaker-0: Sometimes it was annoying at head. Yeah, you're like, dude.
speaker-1: Like it was. But but at the same time, like I'll do that to my kid. Like he started I started doing this to like my two year old, like my toddler. He'll be in bed. Like just he's been like whining all evening and then he's in bed and he wants mom instead of dad. Like I just I I constantly am making fun of my kids and it does work at times and at times it doesn't. ⁓ but yeah, it it's it's It's interesting.
speaker-0: I humor into parenting actually is another great strategy with power struggles because it releases a lot of that emotion that they have inside of ⁓ So it's like a release and then they're like, ⁓ wait, I'm good. And so yeah, it's a great strategy. Humor.
speaker-1: So how do you do how do you do ⁓ struggles with church? I heard a story recently of someone who ⁓ their their trauma from church began with their ⁓ parents like pulling them by the hair to go to church, right? Like they they just totally didn't like this was nineties, eighties or whatever and they just did not respect the the the kids at all and just drug ⁓ along, right? We don't want that. How do you do Th those sorts of issues, getting dressed for church, going to church, ⁓ being reverent, those things when you have behavioral issues ⁓ to think about as well.
speaker-0: Totally. So I I was just sharing an example the other day. There was this girl who was a ha having a really hard time coming to church, ⁓ because she didn't like the way her tights fit. And so going to church every Sunday was a fight because their parents really valued wearing tights.
But for her, I don't know if it was a sense I didn't dive into it too much 'cause I didn't know them super well, but I don't know if it was a sensory issue or what, but it's like, okay, you're if you're gonna die on this hill of them going to church Wouldn't it be better if like they enjoyed their experience at church without the tights and just wore high socks or wore leggings instead? Like it's like sometimes we get hung up on some of the silly things about church that make it so much harder to actually like look at the value of why are we here? We're here to become more like Jesus. We're here to learn about the gospel, we're here to be with these these ward family members, we're here to pray and to worship. ⁓ but sometimes we get hung up on things like I don't wanna wear church pants. I don't wanna wear church you know what I mean? And so it's like, okay, those things are silly when you're looking at what you actually value about church. Right? That's ⁓
speaker-1: Yeah things. My son had one the other day where he's asking ⁓ he was like scared to go somewhere, right? And it was because of a dumb reason because like it might have it might have even been the temple. We were talking about baptisms for the dead or something. And then he's like he was like scared about it because he didn't understand the meaning. Right. And so it's like he didn't want to go. I forget it wasn't that, but I I forget what it was. But it's like once you just ask a couple of questions, you're like, ⁓ okay, this is why you're concerned. It makes sense now.
speaker-0: With church, I think God's relationships, like in the scriptures, they're never ever built on force. And it's the same thing with kids. It's like, okay, instead of like dragging them in there, it's like, how can we find a way for them to enjoy being there? So, like for me, I filled my church bags with like little scripture things they can do while they're there while they're little. And so when they go to church, they know they don't just have to sit there, hold still, fold your arms, and listen to an adult speaker that's completely out of reach for them to process. It's like, how can I bring little ways? And I love, I'm very happy about. When our church moved from three hours to two hours and they changed the Comfollomy curriculum for the primary, best thing they could have done for the primary kids because it's so much more developmentally appropriate. They can actually take in what they're learning instead of sitting there for forty five minutes for just a lesson. So yeah, love that.
speaker-1: Awesome. okay, and then what what parenting styles would you ⁓ would you be concerned about? Would you watch out for that you think are are maybe doing more harm than good? Or ⁓ not actually parenting that are just kind of
speaker-0: Yeah, so I think ⁓ neglectful parenting. I don't think anyone listening to this podcast is probably doing neglectful parenting, but this is when you are just basically letting them parent themselves and you have no love or warmth with your kids at all. And if you're listening to a podcast about religion or parenting, you're you're probably not in this category. But it is concerning if you know anyone around you who's parenting that way and and definitely give as many resources and help as you can. And then also just I think
speaker-1: Huge a huge concern here is screens. Like a massive concern here is screens. Kids will ⁓ parents will like we all use screens and I think again the people listening here that we the we love culture, we love movies, we love that like we talk all about that. And yet there are people there are kids who are being parked in front of an iPhone and watching YouTube kids all day. Right. And that it's it's it's so sad. ⁓ we have a a sister who worked at a behavioral classroom. and all the kids in there were you're either there for mental health or because they had neglectful parents who just gave ⁓ screens all day and the behavioral issues that are coming out of that is just like so tragic.
speaker-0: Totally. So actually I read this book about that. Gosh, what is that book called? How to look up about that book No, it's called I can't remember. It was almost there. So I read a book about screens when my son was little. I love screens and I also limit screens.
speaker-1: Anxious generation.
speaker-0: ⁓ my kids could be on screens all day if I let them, because that's what our brain wants. It's like a dopamine hit all day. I mean, look at us. We have our phones attached to us at all times. We get why it's so addicting to have screens. Yeah. But for these brains that aren't fully developed, if there's no boundaries with screens, then what well, and with everybody, but with kids who are consuming these screens all day long, what's happening is our brain, the way that technology has advanced, and I think you kind of touched on this in one of your reels recently, is Back in the day, the images changed so slowly. And so our brain just, you know, kinda took it in. And now the images are changing so, so, so fast that our brain is in fight or flight. There's so much happening that we are in fight or flight the whole time we're taking this in. And it's even worse if we have an iPad because it's right here. And it's even worse if we're like interacting with it. So like a video game. And I let my kids play video games, I let my kids do screen time. But there has to be limits with that. If they're just doing that free for all every day as soon as they get home, that of course that's what they're gonna do because their brain wants it. And so we have to help our job as parents is to help them learn healthy tools before they are adults on their own to kind of do this. And even me myself, I literally brought bought one of those brick things to like brick me out of my apps at night so that I'm not addicted to my phone. I need I need to teach this to my kids so that I'm not hypocritical. Right. It's like, okay, you guys
get one hour screen, but I'm sitting here all day long. No, it's not cool. And so I think examples are really important and then just like having structure. And then also just being aware that there's certain movies or shows. Like if you want to calm down at night, don't put ⁓ in front of an iPad video game. Put ⁓ in front of Bambi because the screen changes so much slower. Or like whatever, you know, you might have better recommendations from your page, but just slower transitions.
speaker-1: It's so true. I think the the other thing that's interesting about this is if if you're involved, like if you're playing a video game with them and interacting with them, it's almost like the effect of the screen goes away. Like they're not they're not just like zoned in and and zonked out, but all of a sudden like you're talking to them. And so like we we played a game last night and the kids ⁓ never got to that point where we turn off the screen and they're like, No, you know, because they're glued in. 'Cause were just talking the whole time or interacting. I think that's so different when you're like actually interacting with kids. So so for gaming and and yeah, it was interesting because we we it was the first time we pulled out a video game in a while and I was like, ⁓ this is so much better than putting them in front of whatever show, you know.
speaker-0: Yeah. And the other thing is you like you like the gosh, American Pediatric Association, they recommend you don't even start screens until two years old. But I see so many babies walking around addicted to like ⁓ what's her name? Miss Rachel or Blippy or whatever. Yeah. And I I follow that pretty closely with my kids. The thing that they say you can switch screens for, and I took my kids to like the summer movie, so he would come sit on my lap. But the other thing is FaceTime with family because you're interacting. But then when they start introducing sh them to shelves and movies, is you still want to interact with them while they're watching it. Like, ⁓ look, there's a dog or whatever. And you're kind of just connecting that brain space for them. ⁓ but yeah, I think screens it's so it's such a fun way to learn culture and like l answer so many questions. My kids, ⁓ my gosh, the funniest thing happened. They watched Lion King this week and we were going on a surprise yesterday. We went on a surprise yesterday, but we didn't tell them where we were going. Good choice. Yeah. My kids are like, my kids are like, hey, but
speaker-1: Good.
speaker-0: What did what they both use this line on me separately? They go, Hey, if you tell us what the surprise is, we won't we'll still act excited. And then ten minutes later the other one's like, If you tell me what if we tell me where we're going, I'll still act like surprised. And then I'm like, Where did you guys get this? They're like Lion King. I'm like, What? So it's like funny. You learn all sorts of dip yeah. I didn't know. I didn't know. It's been too long
since I've seen it. Like you learn good stuff from shows, and I think it can be so good. ⁓ but you just have to limit it.
speaker-1: Right. Right. And I think that one thing that I I recognize is ⁓ I think most people in ⁓ th at least that I know in my community, like they're pretty good at at that concept. It's like, yeah, we we all probably use screens or watch it, but it's like we're all trying to limit it to get like we're all trying to figure this out. So ⁓ Okay, so ⁓ going back to what you specifically do with people, so like how can people work with a parenting coach who who gets it, who wants to be Christ centered, who ⁓ you know, is research based and not just some coach, like how can they work with you and what do you do?
speaker-0: So one of the things that I do is I do one on one coaching with parents and these are for the kids that have really hard behaviors. You're trying to understand what your tri child's communicating. And so it's like we look into sensory needs, we look into temperament, we look at their behavior patterns and be like, okay, they're communicating this, so let's give them this new skill so that they can communicate that need in a new way. And we kind of just go through a couple of weeks of that and try to really figure out a plan to help work. That's what I do at the university as well. ⁓ but the most popular way that I have parents working with me, because I feel like most of the time we're just trying to figure out how to have an intentional family culture, learning little tidbits along the way to become better parents. And so what I developed recently is ⁓ a little membership. ⁓ and I I'll give you a discount for your followers if you want to share this, but it's called Rising Roots and I have activities like intentional activities that ⁓ it's like science or math or art or writing. I did it because I felt like I was waking up, I was driving my kids to school. I was driving into all their activities. I was making the meals. I was doing all the things. But I wanted to make sure that I was intentionally weaving in like our family culture and our values and ways to serve others and all this. So I started with activities and then recently I added on ⁓ a little workshop that I do every single month just to help become more intentional parents. And I absolutely like I use it for me and then I sell it to others because it's something that I needed to add a little bit of structure into my parenting. ⁓ but yeah, it's only ten dollars a month with the discount code. So it's a really fun way if you want to get involved with that. Yeah. Working on some Easter plans right now, so that'll be fun.
speaker-1: Awesome. ⁓ yeah. What one of the things you brought up is that and you know, every child's different and they have different needs. You go through sensory needs. And one of the things you taught us that was like game changer was about ⁓ I I forget what what kind of sensory need, but like one of our kids are are you
speaker-0: Stibular and proprioception.
speaker-1: that way. He's gotta like jumping around. Like there's a type of sensory need. It's not just ⁓ it's not just like senses of like, you know, touch or or smell or it's like he has to be like jumping like a trampoline type thing. And he will constantly be jumping on you or jumping on the couch. Or if he's watching a movie, even if it's a calm movie, he's gotta be like upside down. Like he's always upside down. It's just the fun like he just has these weird quirks in his sensory needs. That it's like once that cup is filled, he can like zonk out. And so it regularly he has to beat me up when I'm done with work in order to get out his energy, ⁓ jump on me and that sort of thing. So
speaker-0: They've got sensory swings hanging all around.
speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I it's just fascinating. So ⁓ you've got the course, people can work with you one on one and then what's your how can people find you? Where do you post content?
speaker-0: So mostly I'm just on Instagram. TikTok's more for me to consume and rot my brain away, but Instagram I post on rising dot motherhood and then I have a website. So it's rising dash motherhood dot com.
speaker-1: Awesome. and ⁓ and you're a feminist.
speaker-0: ⁓ my gosh, don't even get me started on this. I am a feminist. I'm not good at Power to the Roman. And you're found Dude. Dude, I got into it. I gotta tell you when I'm not recording, I got into it the other day about something. It reminded me of our conversations. It was good time.
speaker-1: I got Good. No good. I had a I had a good talk with s with a a guest about she didn't wanna we recorded an hour long episode about therapy and then we t turned it off and talked for an hour about feminism, but she didn't want to hit recorder. And it was really it was really good. It was helpful. Helpful to hear.
speaker-0: Helpful. Was she on my side or what?
speaker-1: ⁓ she she she's I think right in the middle. So yeah, you would probably agree with everything ⁓ okay that she was saying. ⁓ but that's okay. Thanks for coming on. Cool. Love it. Thanks so much for watching. And I have an exciting announcement. I have a new kid show called Brother Sunbeam on YouTube and soon to be YouTube for kids. In this show, it's gonna be like Latter day Saint singing time in in a way that kids can understand and feel. We're being very true with doctrine.
speaker-0: That's cool.
speaker-1: Bold about doctrine, but think of it as a mix between maybe a Mr. Rogers, a Steve from Blues Clues, maybe a blippy. It shouldn't be too much dopamine overload, but the most important thing is that we are teaching doctrine to kids and just trying to provide a clean, happy, healthy, Latter-day Saints source for media for young kids. So feel free to follow along over at Brother Sunbing, and thank you so much for your support.
speaker-0: Yeah.