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The gatekeepers haven't disappeared. They're
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just not holding all the keys anymore. If you're
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using a 2016 career strategy in the 2026 entertainment
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industry, maybe the problem isn't your talent.
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You don't have to solve the future of the acting
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industry, but you do get to decide how you're
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gonna participate in it. The Working Actor NYC,
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my name is Benjamin Howes. I am your host this
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week for this episode of the podcast. Patrick's
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kind of busy, so we're working around schedules
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at the moment. But I want to thank you all for
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being here and showing up and showing the love.
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My field report is very simple and quick this
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week. I started a new job. I started my latest...
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acting job i am doing elf at alabama shakespeare
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festival we had our we are in the middle of our
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first week of rehearsals and it's an extraordinary
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building an extraordinary facility i mean they
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have two theaters there it was built i think
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in the mid 80s with a gift of 21 million dollars
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from a very wealthy friend of the theater and
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which was at the time the largest gift that a
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theater had received, and built this extraordinary
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facility in Montgomery, Alabama. And this is
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my first time here. But what I love about this
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particular process is that I'm working with a
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music director called Angie Benson, who I first
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worked with 24 years ago. We did a production
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of A Christmas Carol together at Northern Stage
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in Vermont 24 years ago. And now we're back together
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again for the first time. So I'm super excited
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to be working with her again. And it just proves
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to me that this career is all about relationships.
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You don't know when the person that you're working
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with is going to become an influential part of
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your career moving forward. And I mean, that
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was certainly true of that production of A Christmas
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Carol 24 years ago in 2002. Angie Benson was
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the music director back then. There was a fellow
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cast member called Carrie Capel, who I stayed
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friendly with, and she is now a casting director.
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In fact, she just happened to be the casting
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director of this particular production, Elf at
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Alabama Shakespeare Festival. So there are no
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mistakes. Keep your relationships. That's what
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this career is built on, is maintaining, building,
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nurturing relationships. And this production,
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this job for me, is certainly proof of that.
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Thank you for joining me, all my live friends.
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V Sunny, I see you. UAE 51, thank you for coming
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back. It's good to see you. Welcome back. This
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is the podcast, the Working Actor NYC podcast.
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And it's time for... Our feature. So the title
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for this episode is actors. The rules have changed.
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Is your career ready for 2027? Because 2026 was
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a pretty is being we're still in it. It's November,
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but we are heading towards the end of the year
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now. And I think it's a good time to sort of
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reflect on what's working and what isn't. particularly
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with the week that we've just had here in America
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with an enormous political shift. With the midterm
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elections, America voted for change. What about
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the acting industry? You know, voters in America
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expressed their dissatisfaction with the direction
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of the country and exercised their power to change
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its political representation. And wherever you
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are, on the political spectrum i think you'll
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agree that what happened in america with the
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midterm elections was pretty momentous voters
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stood up and said we want this to change and
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what i am kind of fascinated in is that it proves
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that change is affected by the people who are
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involved. And I think there's a parallel there
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with what's going on in our acting industry,
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because my social media feed is full of actors
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and casting directors and other industry professionals
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discussing how
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fundamentally the business has
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changed. There is frustration, there is anger,
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there is exhaustion, and there are some really
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good ideas, but... recognizing that something
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isn't working is only the beginning. And as we
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approach 2027, my question is, what are we actually
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going to do about it? But it's one thing to recognize
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that something isn't working. It's another thing
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to do something about it. You know, we've spent
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a lot of time talking about what's wrong with
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our industry. And today I want to talk about
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what we're going to do next. And how this affects
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you personally. What decisions are you going
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to make moving forward with your acting career?
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But before we start getting to the solutions,
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I want to sort of establish sort of the common
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ground of what this year has revealed. It was
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a super interesting year. I'm talking like it's
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already over, but there are still some big drops
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to come at the movie theater, particularly, of
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course, Doomsday. But I think what this year
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genuinely proved was that audiences have not
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abandoned the movies. They're just becoming more
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selective. We have heard plenty of doom and gloom
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about theatrical exhibition and what going to
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the movies means and how streaming was supposed
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to be the death of going to the movies. But 2026
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proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Audiences
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are still prepared to leave their homes, get
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off the sofa, leave their homes, and buy cinema
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tickets. There were some huge, big -budget tent
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poles. Obviously, The Odyssey and Spider -Man,
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A Brand New Day. But then there were also incredible
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stories from much, much smaller films. Let's
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talk about Obsession. Big stars and big budgets
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are not. automatic guarantees of success. I mean,
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just look at the giant flop -a -rama that was
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Tom Cruise in Digger. I haven't heard what Tom
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Cruise got paid for starring in Digger, but I
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think he certainly thought that it was such a
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departure from his regular action movie hero
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role. That I can't help but think that Tom Cruise
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maybe had his eye on an Oscar nomination to put
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another notch in his belt. That's just my opinion.
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I have no evidence to support that. But I think
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what the movies, what moviegoers proved this
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year is that the movie has to be good. The moviegoers
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are selective. about what they're going to spend
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their money on at the movie theater. And one
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of those things was Obsession. Obsession was,
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the budget for Obsession was under a million
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dollars. It was $750 ,000 and it made $500 million
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in the worldwide box office. I mean, that is
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an extraordinary achievement for a little film
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that was picked up for $15 million at the Toronto
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International Film Festival. So marketing, word
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of mouth, originality, spectacle, and the experience
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of seeing something in the movie theater all
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matter. Audiences have not stopped going to the
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movies. They've stopped going just because Hollywood
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tells them they should. You know, a $100 million
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budget doesn't guarantee you've made something
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that people want to see. And a small budget doesn't
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mean that you haven't. I think that's what this
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year was really educational for moviegoers. We
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got some chat on the YouTube. Linnell Chatterjee,
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you're surreal. Love your live talk. Thank you,
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Linnell. I appreciate that. Monica Garcia, I'm
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a big fan. Thank you so much. Love your live
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talk. I appreciate that very much. Linnell Chatterjee
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brings up, what about ticket prices? I mean,
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what was super interesting to me is that, yes,
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the box office this year beat pre -pandemic box
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office levels, but that was partly because ticket
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prices were so much more expensive. But what
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I am fascinated by is that people will pay higher
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prices if the quality is there. Look at Odyssey
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and IMAX.
everybody was perfectly happy to shell
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out to see the Odyssey and IMAX at a much higher
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price because they were reassured by the reviews
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and everything else that the product was going
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to be worth it. So yes, ticket prices are absolutely
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driving some of the figures that we're seeing,
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but I think there's still plenty of evidence
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there that if the product is good, then people
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will pay the prices and that it matters. But
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what I think we really learned this year was
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that Hollywood doesn't have all of the keys anymore.
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You know, look at Backrooms and its creator,
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Cain Parsons, a young filmmaker building an audience
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and a distinctive creative voice on YouTube.
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And that work, you know, that movie attracted
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the attention of the established film industry.
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You know, the important point isn't the budget.
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of the film is that the creative work and the
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audience existed before the traditional legacy
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Hollywood studio development process. You know,
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the old way of doing things was that you got
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access to the industry, you convinced the gatekeepers,
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and then you hopefully reached an audience. And
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this emerging alternative that we're seeing from
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back rooms and from obsession was that you create
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something. You find an audience, whether that's
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through YouTube or a different social media channel,
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you demonstrate the demand, and then you potentially
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attract industry investment. But what does that
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mean for actors like me? Are we still behaving
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as though agents, casting directors, and studios
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are the only people who can give us opportunities?
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Hollywood used to decide who got access to an
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audience. Now... creators build an audience before
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Hollywood even knows they exist. You know what
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I mean? It's like the gatekeepers haven't disappeared.
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They're just not holding all the keys anymore.
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And I think another thing that is getting a lot
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of attention this year, as it should, was that
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the enormous numbers that are being thrown around
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Hollywood with the Paramount Warner Brothers
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merger, there is still... Big, big dollars to
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be made in Hollywood. So here's my question.
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Why are working actors struggling? This contradiction
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exists at the heart of our industry. There is
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still enormous money to be made in entertainment.
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But that doesn't mean that the money is reaching
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the working actors who are in the middle of the
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profession. It used to be true that there was
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a middle class channel, a middle class path for
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working actors. And now what we're seeing is
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that the A -listers are getting their compensation
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and major commercial successes coexist with this
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precarious employment for many actors. And, you
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know, the systems that we built were based on
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traditional legacy models. Like in network television,
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there were longer seasons. Network television
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used to feature 22 episodes per season. Think
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about that. 22 episodes, 24 episodes of a season.
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That meant recurring work for the actors and
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the crew employed on those productions. They
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had... more episodes. They were longer seasons.
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There were residuals from when a television show
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aired the first time, that's what the actors
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were paid for. If it aired a second time, then
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there were residuals that were money that was
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accumulated for of those actors. So there was
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ongoing income that actors could rely upon. And
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those employment patterns could help actors qualify
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for union health insurance and build pension
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credits. Now with the introduction of streaming,
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we have much shorter seasons. Six to ten episodes
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is about normal. Eight seems to be where the
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largest number of episodes are. But there's also
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an enormous gap between the seasons. We're looking
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at 18 months between seasons. On network television,
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it used to be four months. And now that's what
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those systems were built on. And now with streaming
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television, we've got 18 months. Do you see season
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two of Wednesday came out over two and a half
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years after season one of Wednesday, two and
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a half years of those actors sitting around waiting
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for season two. These are different economic
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models for actors. Residuals don't work the same
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way because. On network television, you can easily
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count how many times a television program airs.
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But with streaming, you can binge that show as
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many times as you want. So the residual economics
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don't work in the same way at all. The old system
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wasn't equally generous to everyone, and the
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unions have negotiated improvements. But my argument
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is that the employment model, ecosystem that
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employment for actors now operates in has changed
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faster than the structures that support working
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actors and what we're seeing now i'm sure this
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is all over your feeds as well is that an actor
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can be successful they can be regularly employed
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and still struggle to assemble enough work to
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qualify for health insurance we need to stop
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confusing the success of the entertainment business
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with the economic health of the people working
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in it. The entertainment business is not dead,
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but the business of making a living in entertainment
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is changing. The industry hasn't run out of money,
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but the way that money gets distributed isn't
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sustaining the working middle of our profession.
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You know, the question isn't just whether acting
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jobs exist. It's whether enough of those jobs
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can add up to a sustainable life. So that brings
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us to the topic today, which is what are you
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going to do about it? This is where you get to
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have a say in what your career looks like and
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feels like to you. I think. One path is certainly
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the political one that you can fight for the
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industry that you want. And I think what we saw
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with this week's election is that whatever your
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politics, collective participation can change
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how power operates. The election doesn't prove.
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you know, that any one particular policy will
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pass, but the parallel is about participation
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and collective action. Actors have organizations
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specifically designed to advocate for their professional
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interests. And a lot of people participate in
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that and some don't, you know, SAG -AFTRA, the
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film and television actors. and actors' equity
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for stage actors aren't just places where we
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pay dues and hope somebody else fixes things.
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There are ways to get involved and participate
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in those conversations at those unions, contract
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negotiations, union committees, member organizing,
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meetings, advocacy. These are all ways that actors
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can get involved. Federal and state production
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incentives are another arena where political
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engagement can affect the industry. You know,
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we're seeing this. It'll be very interesting
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to see what happens now that Congress has changed
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because there is a bipartisan bill proposing
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a federal film and television production tax
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credit. And that's something that I'm certainly
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going to be following because, of course, the.
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intention is to bring production back from overseas
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and back into the U .S., particularly since the
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industry in L .A. is struggling so hard. But
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what the evidence shows is that what is happening
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in New York, New York State changed its production
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tax credit and incentives and in New York City,
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vastly simplified. How easy it was to make a
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film in New York City or make a television production
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in New York City by streamlining the red tape
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and making it simpler and faster to get approved
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for shooting permits in New York City. And the
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industry is booming, apparently, in New York
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City. Of course, I'm not there. I'm in Alabama
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because I'm back to my stage work. But I am reading
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all of the reports that the new sound stages
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in New York City are full to capacity and their
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calendars are stacked. So the work is there in
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New York City. I know LA doesn't want to hear
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that, but the work is there because New York
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changed their tax credits. So it's just another
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way that political activism can be effective
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in... changing how things work. But not everybody
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is suited to activism, and I get that. Not all
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of us are going to become politically engaged,
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and not all of us are going to become energized
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to be organizers. Not everybody is suited to
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that. And some actors find a renewed sense of
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agency and community through participating in
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those kinds of processes. And I just want to
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recognize the people who do that work and who
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step up for the rest of us, because I am not
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particularly active in the union. I do my part
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and I kind of keep my head down. It's not something
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that attracts me. Being a union organizer is
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not something that particularly attracts me.
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But my hat goes off to those people who do it
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for the rest of us. But if you think the system
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is broken and you keep complaining about it,
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you can become part of the work of changing it
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if that speaks to you. And if the system isn't
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working for us, somebody has to do the work of
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changing the system. Collective action isn't
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just about what happens to your next job. It's
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about the conditions under which all of us get
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to work. I don't know. You tell me, do you have
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an appetite for this kind of work? Are you interested
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in... getting involved in the issues behind the
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contracts that you work under, would getting
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involved make you feel less powerless? I don't
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know. Let me know if that speaks to you, if you're
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one of those people that that speaks to. But
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what if union organizing and political advocacy
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aren't where your energies lie? If you're more
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like me and you... Try to adapt your career to
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the industry that actually exists. And I think
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this is where my coaching philosophy comes in.
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I believe that actors need to take radical ownership
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of their creative lives. I think it is not up
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to somebody else that your creative satisfaction
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is not up to somebody else. And that does not
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mean pretending that we can control the whole
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industry. It means examining the parts of our
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careers where our choices make a difference.
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And I think that this time of year in particular,
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November, is an excellent time to look back at
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what you've built this year and ask what worked.
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What strategies are you still using simply because
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you've always used them? What opportunities have
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emerged that you haven't yet explored? And what
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should you stop doing in 2027? And this is where
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I find all of that can be overwhelming on the
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macro level. So that's why I break it down from
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my coaching clients into four categories. And
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I call them the four inputs. So I get them to
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look at craft. The craft is the work. The craft
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is the fun stuff. The craft is the actual. Did
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your work improve in 2026? Are you preparing
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well? Are you making bold choices and bringing
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something specific to the auditions? Are you
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developing skill sets relevant to the work that
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you want to be doing? And that's all under the
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umbrella of craft. Then I get them to look at
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visibility. Are the right people seeing your
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work? Are your headshots, your reels, and your
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other materials, are they communicating your
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casting lane, your wheelhouse, clearly? Are you
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exploring ways to create and share work rather
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than relying exclusively on traditional gatekeepers
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like agents and casting directors? Then the third
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category, the third input, is relationships.
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Are you building genuine professional relationships?
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Are you nurturing the relationships that you
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already have? Are you connecting with people
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who are actively making the kind of work you
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want to be a part of? There's lots of different
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ways to do that. I know some of it is casting
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director access workshops that you can get either
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through the union or you can pay for. uh classes
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with casting directors it can be a way to start
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a relationship with those casting directors or
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maybe you go to film festivals and you watch
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a film you identify the filmmaker and you go
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up to the filmmaker and say i love what you created
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here i want you to remember my name uh build
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a relationship that way by attending film festivals
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make them laugh make them remember you and then
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the fourth area that i work on with my coaching
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clients is infrastructure Are your professional
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systems helping you or getting in your way? It
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can be something as technical as your self -tape
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setup. When you have a self -tape, how ready
00:26:31.890 --> 00:26:37.549
to go can you be? Does it happen easily or is
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it something that tortures you every time you
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have to do it? But your infrastructure also applies
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to things like do you have a workable financial
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plan? for the gaps between the jobs? Are your
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administrative habits, your scheduling, your
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career management tools, are they sustainable?
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These inputs are not guarantees of bookings,
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but they are ways that you can evaluate whether
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or not you're making progress. So as we reach
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towards the end of this year and look forward
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to 2027, it's a good time to look at your progress
00:27:21.970 --> 00:27:26.809
this year and acknowledge whether something you
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invested in this year worked or didn't work.
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Speaking from my own experience this year, I
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took six months off from my bread and butter,
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which is doing regional theater, to, hi friends,
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I took six months off from my bread and butter
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career doing regional theater to focus on film
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and
television. I made a lot of progress, but
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I didn't make any bookings. And one thing that
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I am particularly looking at is whether the headshots
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that I got at the beginning of the year are doing
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enough work for me. So I am currently in the
00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:08.750
process of assessing whether or not my materials
00:28:08.750 --> 00:28:15.789
are working as hard for me as they could. That's
00:28:15.789 --> 00:28:18.750
just what I'm working on as I review for the
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year. You know, and that also, it may... Part
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.519
of the reason that I stayed at home was because
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in 2025, I spent 42 weeks away from my home and
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I wanted to make, I needed to spend some time
00:28:38.250 --> 00:28:42.470
at home in my house. You know what I mean? And
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that was a sort of, I could tie what I wanted
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personally with what I wanted professionally.
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It was able to. Having a successful year professionally
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and still decide that something about my career
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model needed to change. You know, what I'm getting
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.640
at here is that if you're using a 2016 career
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.119
strategy in the 2026 entertainment industry,
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:12.329
maybe the problem isn't your talent. It's the
00:29:12.329 --> 00:29:15.089
systems that you're using, the strategies that
00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:17.049
you're using. And that's what I want to encourage
00:29:17.049 --> 00:29:19.789
you to have a look at, because I don't want you
00:29:19.789 --> 00:29:24.250
to confuse a lack of results. with a lack of
00:29:24.250 --> 00:29:26.210
progress. Because you might be further ahead
00:29:26.210 --> 00:29:29.970
of your results than you think. You can be successful
00:29:29.970 --> 00:29:33.650
at something and still decide that the way you're
00:29:33.650 --> 00:29:36.589
doing it needs to change. But maybe everything
00:29:36.589 --> 00:29:39.750
that's happened in the acting industry this year
00:29:39.750 --> 00:29:44.970
has just made you look at it all and realize
00:29:44.970 --> 00:29:48.789
you simply don't have the energy to keep doing
00:29:48.789 --> 00:29:53.910
it right now. So maybe your choice is to step
00:29:53.910 --> 00:29:57.250
away. from the acting industry and reclaim your
00:29:57.250 --> 00:30:02.130
life. This is not the failure option. Some actors
00:30:02.130 --> 00:30:06.109
are exhausted by the constant instability that
00:30:06.109 --> 00:30:12.059
we all have to deal with. And some actors that
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I know have spent years of putting their lives
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:20.059
on hold for the possibility of the next opportunity.
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Relationships, finances, family, creative interests.
00:30:25.779 --> 00:30:30.460
mental energy, all of those things matter. So
00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:33.700
maybe the right choice is to take a different
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job. Maybe it's to explore a different creative
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discipline. Maybe it's to stop auditioning for
00:30:44.329 --> 00:30:49.109
a while. And maybe it's to leave the professional
00:30:49.109 --> 00:30:54.269
business entirely. You can still love acting
00:30:54.269 --> 00:30:59.220
without organizing your whole life. around trying
00:30:59.220 --> 00:31:05.339
to make a living from it. And a break from a
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:08.400
professional career can help you rediscover what
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.329
you love about performing. Or maybe it helps
00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:15.250
you discover that you want something different.
00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:21.400
That's a legitimate choice. You don't owe the
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.970
industry your exhaustion. Taking a break from
00:31:25.970 --> 00:31:29.309
the business of being an actor doesn't mean you've
00:31:29.309 --> 00:31:35.670
stopped being an artist. I'm here to tell you
00:31:35.670 --> 00:31:39.029
that you can love acting and decide you don't
00:31:39.029 --> 00:31:41.769
love what pursuing it professionally is costing
00:31:41.769 --> 00:31:48.079
you. The industry doesn't get to decide whether
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.640
you've lived a successful creative life. You
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.599
get to take charge of that. And I want to empower
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.460
you that you can make the decision that is right
00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:04.670
for you. So as we're looking forward to 2027,
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.240
I want you to start thinking about what designing
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.119
your own path in 2027 looks like. You don't have
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.099
to choose just one. Maybe you're going to advocate
00:32:16.099 --> 00:32:18.420
for better working conditions while continuing
00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:24.359
to audition. Or maybe you're going to focus on
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.579
your four inputs of your acting career while
00:32:27.579 --> 00:32:32.279
building another income stream. That's certainly
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.029
something that I'm pursuing as I build my business.
00:32:38.250 --> 00:32:41.369
I am still participating in my acting career
00:32:41.369 --> 00:32:43.910
and making adjustments along the way. I just
00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:46.309
told you about how I'm looking at my headshot
00:32:46.309 --> 00:32:51.140
strategy, my material strategy. Or maybe you
00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:54.559
take six months away from auditions, but continue
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.640
your training and making your own work because
00:32:59.849 --> 00:33:02.150
the auditions are getting you down. So you take
00:33:02.150 --> 00:33:04.970
a break
from auditioning and just focus on creating
00:33:04.970 --> 00:33:10.369
what it is that you want to create. Or maybe
00:33:10.369 --> 00:33:12.880
you stay active in the union. while deliberately
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.799
reducing the pressure that you put on your own
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.079
career. Look, there are different seasons of
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.579
our lives and they call for different strategies.
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.779
I am in the middle of that right now. I'm trying
00:33:29.779 --> 00:33:33.180
to find that balance between the life that I
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:37.000
have at home in New York City and the work that
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.819
I do, the majority of which is in regional theater
00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:44.009
that takes me away from my home. So I'm in this
00:33:44.009 --> 00:33:46.650
struggle with you. I am right there with you,
00:33:46.690 --> 00:33:51.769
friends. You know, the most important thing here
00:33:51.769 --> 00:33:55.430
is to make a deliberate choice instead of simply
00:33:55.430 --> 00:34:02.970
repeating another year of the same habits. You
00:34:02.970 --> 00:34:05.809
don't have to know what your whole career will
00:34:05.809 --> 00:34:10.889
look like in five years, but you can decide what
00:34:10.889 --> 00:34:17.199
deserves your attention in 2027. You don't have
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:19.659
to choose between changing the industry and changing
00:34:19.659 --> 00:34:24.489
your own life. A sustainable career isn't a fixed
00:34:24.489 --> 00:34:27.269
set of rules. It's something you have to keep
00:34:27.269 --> 00:34:31.190
adjusting as your life changes. And stay open
00:34:31.190 --> 00:34:33.789
-minded to what that is and what that looks like.
00:34:34.929 --> 00:34:38.690
And don't get stuck in a habit because it worked
00:34:38.690 --> 00:34:43.159
10 years ago. You don't have to solve the future
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.059
of the acting industry, but you do get to decide
00:34:46.059 --> 00:34:51.670
how you're going to participate in it. So we're
00:34:51.670 --> 00:34:55.269
getting a lot of blue wave, Texas blue comments
00:34:55.269 --> 00:34:58.789
in the comments. But what I'm interested in is
00:34:58.789 --> 00:35:01.650
for the actors in the room, what worked for you
00:35:01.650 --> 00:35:06.829
in 2026? Not just bookings, but meaningful progress
00:35:06.829 --> 00:35:11.469
in your training, in your organization, in how
00:35:11.469 --> 00:35:15.239
you financed your career. What worked for you
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.800
in 2026? Then, of course, the partner of that
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.989
question is what didn't work? And what are you
00:35:21.989 --> 00:35:24.949
ready to change? What habits, what expectations,
00:35:25.250 --> 00:35:27.650
what strategies, what priorities are you ready
00:35:27.650 --> 00:35:33.849
to let go of? And what does your 2027 career
00:35:33.849 --> 00:35:37.769
path forward look like? Are you an advocate?
00:35:40.289 --> 00:35:43.670
Are you going to adapt your strategies to the
00:35:43.670 --> 00:35:47.119
current climate? Or are you going to take a break
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.699
and restore yourself? Or maybe you have a combo
00:35:52.699 --> 00:35:57.159
platter of your own. I think combo platter is.
00:35:58.179 --> 00:36:00.500
Probably the most genuine way for a lot of us,
00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:04.219
because it never looks like just one thing. Here's
00:36:04.219 --> 00:36:06.960
a question in from Jay, who says, what's the
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.599
hardest part about the industry for someone who
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:14.130
isn't a hotshot in the space? I don't know if
00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:17.750
this is the hardest part, but if you're not on
00:36:17.750 --> 00:36:21.840
the A -list, you have to figure out your way
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.139
to still think of yourself. As a creative artist,
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.280
you still have to figure out your own unique
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:34.090
way to still contribute being an actor when you're
00:36:34.090 --> 00:36:38.909
not at the A -list end of the chain. And that's
00:36:38.909 --> 00:36:41.429
unique and individual for everybody. For some
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people, it's making content. For some people,
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it's doing commercials. For some people, it's
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doing regional theater. It is doing funny skits
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on social media and writing their own material
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or doing stand -up or creating a podcast like
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this one right here, The Working Actor NYC. So
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I don't know if that's the hardest part, but
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I think one of the hard things is not putting
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all your creative eggs in somebody else's basket.
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I want you to... empower you to take radical
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creative ownership of your creative life it's
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up to you nobody's going to do it for you and
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as we land the plane on this episode i just want
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to say the industry is changing whether we like
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it or not and we can spend the next year waiting
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for things to go back to the way they were or
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we can decide what we want our place in this
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new version of the industry to look like you
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don't have to wait for hollywood to figure out
00:37:53.420 --> 00:37:57.380
its future before you start figuring out yours
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let me know if that resonated for you jay if
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i answered your question you let me know jay
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says to be on a list is it an
inherent thing
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where they have the looks and personality or
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training it could be any one of the above i I
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think there are some people on the A -list who
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I don't find particularly attractive. Can I say
00:38:22.820 --> 00:38:25.219
the name out loud? Am I going to get canceled
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if I say I don't get it with Timothee Chalamet?
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I just don't get it. I really don't. He's a fine
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actor, but I don't know why he got catapulted
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into the A -list and other actors did not. So
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it's not an inherent thing. I think it's an incredible
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amount of luck and charm and personality. And
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relationships, I think Timothy Chalamet was certainly
00:38:51.170 --> 00:38:54.030
helped to get onto the A -list. But then there
00:38:54.030 --> 00:38:57.050
are sort of, there's an old school version of
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this where Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, who are
00:39:00.170 --> 00:39:02.409
certainly in the A -list, you know, and have
00:39:02.409 --> 00:39:06.170
been for many decades. But you have to remember
00:39:06.170 --> 00:39:08.730
that they got where they are through their own
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initiative, their own hard work. They were not
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booking the roles that they wanted in the film
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world. So they wrote their own film. They wrote
00:39:19.750 --> 00:39:22.630
Good Will Hunting because they were not booking
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the jobs. And Good Will Hunting got made and
00:39:26.659 --> 00:39:28.699
it starred Robin Williams and it got a lot of
00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:31.619
Oscar buzz and it won them an Oscar. They won
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an Oscar for a film that they had written out
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.559
of the frustration of not being on the A -list.
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And it's exactly what took them there. That's
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the exact kind of... taking radical ownership
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of your creative life that I'm talking about.
00:39:52.030 --> 00:39:54.389
Sassy Min says it, if you don't get the work,
00:39:54.530 --> 00:39:59.670
make the projects you want. 100 % correct. Sassy
00:39:59.670 --> 00:40:03.269
Min, I am right there with you. And if you are
00:40:03.269 --> 00:40:05.329
enjoying the chat, if you're enjoying the live,
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please hit follow, hit subscribe, because we
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00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.699
fun, you're doing it wrong. Right, Sassy Min?
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.400
You know what I'm talking about. Oh, that's it
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