Trascrizione completa di The Ochelli Effect 4-5-2024 Open Mic

all the way up to ten pm when Uncle starts? Oh wait, 62 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.519 uncle starts at eleven pm Eastern. Aaron's the Age of Transitions begins at 63 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:56.279 ten pm Eastern, and I do believe he's got Alex I'm sorry with him 64 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:00.120 again this week. So there you go, the Age of Transition will cut 65 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.360 me off at ten pm no matter what's going on here, and hopefully you 66 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:08.759 will be the thing that's going on you listening. If you're hearing us live 67 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:16.879 just around ten minutes after eight pm Eastern on April the fifth, twenty twenty 68 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.680 four. If not, you're hearing us, you know ya a podcast. 69 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.000 Like I said, you need a time machine to call us. But otherwise 70 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:29.800 three one nine five two seven five zero one six three one nine five two 71 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:33.120 seven five zero one six. Now I think I've given out the number enough. 72 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:38.160 I think I've given the opportunity enough, and I've got our first caller 73 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:43.959 already, so more hopefully to follow. Anyway, let's get straight to them 74 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.399 before I get to any of my thoughts for this week. Uh, you 75 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.040 know, the ongoing battles in court with whoever and whatever for whatever, the 76 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:57.920 selection process as it's chub chug chugging along, the fun and games that's being 77 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:03.319 played, the warnings now so that Iran is set to attack us allegedly, 78 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.800 there may be other things going on. The mainstream media is telling us that 79 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:13.319 Russia is about ready to start playing with our selection process again. That's what 80 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.439 they're saying at least, is this going on, What is the purpose of 81 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.199 it? You know what, I don't even seek the truth on these things 82 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.279 anymore at this point, I just want to know why they're saying what they're 83 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.720 saying, instead of if it's even true anymore, because truth, forget it, 84 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:30.800 it's out the window. It's all subjective. Everybody's got their own. 85 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.200 It doesn't really seem to matter anymore. What is real, what actually has 86 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.240 evidence, what makes sense? It's about how you feel about it, right. 87 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:41.720 If you think it's okay, then it's okay, and if not, 88 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.919 it's not. And you know you can back your favorite criminal for whatever it 89 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.159 is you want. That's the way that goes. I mean, you know, 90 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.360 you like the old man that seems to be totally out of it? 91 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.759 Is he playing everybody? And really? Is he totally cognitively aware while he 92 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.200 looks like he lost keys about last week? I mean, is that possible? 93 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.600 I saw a very interesting post from Murray Sabran, who's been on this 94 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.399 show, Jack Blood Show. He's a libertarian thinker, the only guy to 95 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:18.159 ever run for governor on the ticket officially a New Jersey under the Libertarian Party. 96 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.159 Murray Sabran put out an article this week saying that Jill and Joe Biden 97 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:28.039 are about to do a simultaneous well they used to call it a sex change, 98 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:37.039 but simultaneous gender reassignment. They said, yeah, so Jill is going 99 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:43.559 to become Jack and Joe is maybe going to be Josephine. I forget what 100 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.759 name they said that she was going to be. And Kamal has pissed. 101 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.240 I guess she didn't get time to book it with the surgeon. I don't 102 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.080 know. I don't know. It's a weird article. Maybe I'll read from 103 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.879 that, maybe we'll read this from some other news. But it's not about 104 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.679 all that tonight. It's not a about what I think or what's crazy or 105 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:03.960 not. Well, maybe it is, because we'll find out from you guys. 106 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.759 First call her up, and I do recognize him as the great Jimmy 107 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:15.639 James. So, Jimmy, you're first out of the gate. And uh 108 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:18.120 hey, I didn't even really give my thoughts. I just filled time for 109 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.080 a moment and gave options. But you'll get to drop the first thought, 110 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:31.240 the first real part of the conversation tonight. What's up? Oh okay, 111 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:37.679 now we're gonna have this problem tonight. I see Jimmy you were on the 112 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:39.480 line. Now you're gone. I don't know what happened, but anybody else 113 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.120 who wants to join in three one nine, five, two seven five zero 114 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:48.759 one six you know that happened last night with David Mantick. I started a 115 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.600 whole broadcast, did an introduction, you know, did my uh, sometimes 116 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.720 painfully too long intro, and I thought I did a really kind and nice 117 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.120 intro for David Mantick so he could talk about his latest book, The Final 118 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.720 Analysis, which he co wrote with your own COURSEI and I didn't even, 119 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.639 you know, put my negativity out there about Corsey because I don't

think very 120 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.879 highly of at this point in time. And yet I had everything tested, 121 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:16.960 ready to roll. He's on Skype. I'm looking at him, even though 122 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:22.159 I don't need a video of him, I'm looking at him, and he's 123 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.279 making no noise all of a sudden, even though we had tested and pre 124 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.200 called and all that, and yeah, he just suddenly had no sound. 125 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.039 So I went to what I thought was going to be a commercial break, 126 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:37.039 and it took me a full forty five minutes to get David Mantick on the 127 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.759 air last night. So I did an hour and a half with Mantick plus 128 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.639 the forty five minutes I wasted trying to get a sound live last night. 129 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.240 But the same thing happened has just happened now with Jimmy James, where I 130 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.279 went right to the caller and you know, I go hit the button, 131 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.559 I'm all set to go and poof, no sound. Nobody's home. Anyway. 132 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.840 It looks like Jimmy might have called back in, so I'm gonna get 133 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.840 right to him. But you could listen to us as well and join in. 134 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.720 And if you call in, you should hear the show as it's being 135 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.159 broadcast, and you'll be automatically on hold and I'll get right to you as 136 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.039 soon as I can. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six 137 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.039 that's the magic number to call in and join this conversation tonight without my co 138 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.879 host b Pete. Anyways, I think I got Jimmy again, So let's 139 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:30.320 try Jimmy James. You get to lead off the conversation for real again. 140 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:35.440 Uh you know? Second? Take two? Take two? Brother? What's 141 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:39.679 up? Can you hear me now? I can? You were gone last 142 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:46.039 time I went to the phone. Yeah, this line has been ton of 143 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.559 lock. I'm sorry, man, I do pay the bill. I mean, 144 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:52.519 you know, if I don't pay him in the phone, don't work. 145 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.519 I get it. But they I just paid. Wait a minute, 146 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.440 no, I'm about to pay that bill again. But I know they're paid 147 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.480 up the date, so it should work. Just mine. I got one 148 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:11.360 hundred lines. What's up? So it's on your mind tonight? Well the 149 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:16.960 week that was on on Charlie. So what about the Hancock interview? Did 150 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.120 that ever happen? Oh, Larry, Yeah, I actually the podcast went 151 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:28.879 out today from Wednesday, so you know, I mean, I'm about a 152 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.639 day behind where I should be. But and David Mantick will go out late 153 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:37.159 tonight or early tomorrow. But yeah, I mean I had Hancock on on 154 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:43.720 on Wednesday. We talked about his conference coming up for his UAP stuff right 155 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.559 with that organization, that academic organization which they just had another paper peer reviewed, 156 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.320 the SCU there and all that, And that's what I talked to him 157 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:00.639 about on Wednesday. On Thursday, I talked to mantic about his latest book, 158 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.799 which he co wrote with your own course, called The Final Analysis. 159 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.200 Now, when Hancock was supposed to come on, I didn't hear it live. 160 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:16.799 You did not hear him live on the street right. Well, he 161 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.120 went out live. I don't know why you didn't hear it, but he 162 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.320 went out live. I recorded it. I have it. There was no 163 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:28.200 problems. I had problems getting Mantak on last night, though. I went 164 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.360 live about fifteen minutes late because he you know, at first there was a 165 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.799 little difficulty and I thought everything was all set and I did a long, 166 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.759 nice intro and then I said, so, doctor Mantick, how are you 167 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:43.759 tonight? And there was nothing there. He was still there, but there 168 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.080 was no sound all of a sudden, So I went to a break. 169 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.080 That one I heard, Yeah, that one I heard live, and I 170 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:58.159 in between when he had technical difficulties, I heard the bit about when you 171 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.919 were on the Blaze. I didn't you know around that channel? Oh yeah, 172 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.960 I was on Yeah, it's Glenn Beck's network, and I was on 173 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.679 with Pat Gray in the morning. I had to get up early in the 174 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.840 morning for that one. But that was on YouTube. It's yeh, it's 175 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:20.840 on YouTube now. Afterwards, I who's Pat Gray again? Is he just 176 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.600 like a commentator guy there or what he does the morning show on on Blaze 177 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:33.960 TV? I mean, is he know him outside of that? I mean, 178 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.559 I I've never heard of him. That's why that's just curious. Well, 179 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:39.919 I don't know a lot about him, but you know what, we 180 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.840 could do a quick cursory look up. I know he's been around a while. 181

00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.679 And uh, you know, when when I sort of made a little 182 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:50.960 joke about it, Wow, man, I can't believe you guys are this 183 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.080 lively at seven in the morning, he kind of shot back at me a 184 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.720 little little dig. Well, you know, when you're getting when you do 185 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.159 this for a living, you gotta do what you gotta do, you know. 186 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.200 I'm like, Okay, I get it. You're the pro, so 187 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.320 of course you're lively at seven am. All right, Well here I am 188 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.720 the lowly amateur. How you doing, pat? You know, because they 189 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:15.399 had this betting pool going regarding the worst president of all time, which they 190 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:22.879 were talking about before they put me on, and I found their brackets interesting. 191 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.080 They're doing like a you know, like a final what do they call 192 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:29.240 that the sweet sixteen in basketball where you see the brackets and then they come 193 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.639 down. It's really important about who makes it to the center bracket, you 194 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:36.200 know, in the big playoffs. They're doing this for the worst presidents of 195 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:41.759 all time. And my vote was for Woodrow Wilson on there because just you 196 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.240 know Jersey, so why not. But they had, you know, I 197 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.840 think Barack Obama versus Jimmy Carter. I got to check their bracket. I'm 198 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:51.879 not sure where they were at, but they were talking about it, and 199 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:57.240 I thought, I'd say, Biden's already won that title. Jimmy Carter can 200 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:03.879 go to the after life contact he's lost that title. Well, see, 201 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.839 that's exactly the point Pat Gray's producer was making on that show. I think, 202 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.240 if I remember, I think it's the producer. I'm a little mixed 203 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.440 up as to who was too. There were three guys on there. But 204 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.480 let's look up Pat Gray though and see who who who he is outside of 205 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:23.920 being the regular morning guy on you know, on what's his name's TV platform 206 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:30.119 there, Pat Gray, Let's see TV yost. But it was it was 207 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.920 a weird surprise, Like I didn't think I would make it on the Glenn 208 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.839 Becks network, you know so, but they invited me. It's not like 209 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.720 I was listening for it and they wanted they wanted as much information as they 210 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.759 could get out of me. I thought it was going to be one hour 211 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.720 on JFK and turned out that I was on for the whole show where you 212 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.519 know, they had lots and lots of questions, and did my best with 213 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.839 him. So anyways, let's take a look at what he's got here. 214 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:02.519 Well, it looks like he was a Fox News broadcaster at one point, 215 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.039 you know, not a not a big not a big, huge name, 216 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.119 I guess. But Pat Gray Unleashed is the name of the show now, 217 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:17.359 I guess. Looks like the podcast series, according to IMDb, might have 218 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.839 begun in twenty seventeen, so it's been around a few years. I don't 219 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.960 know. I'm just you know, skimming the information here. Interesting. Guy's 220 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.640 got a nice, you know, one of those good, strong, solid, 221 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:33.480 big voices, you know what I mean. Looks like, yeah, 222 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:40.319 I found it interesting hearing this stuff in between the show that you taped. 223 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.759 Oh what was going on in between? What did I do? Oh? 224 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:51.319 Yeah, right, was telling you? Yeah, yeah, he's really interested 225 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:53.799 in this part, this part, So go at the that part. Oh 226 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.559 yeah, yeah, Well what it is that I did the audio the last 227 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:02.720 segment, and I just recorded the audio because I was sitting there, you 228 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.599 know, waiting through the commercials, and I thought it was really interesting. 229 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:11.119 The guy who was like, you know, the producer's assistant kind of telling 230 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:12.640 me, hey, you know, get ready for this, and that. 231 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.839 I thought it was hilarious because he was asking me to get ready for stuff, 232 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.519 and then they would never get to it. They would give me, 233 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.119 you know, they would they would ask other questions and I would go, 234 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.119 all right, well I was prepared to answer that, but you know, 235 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.640 so I kind of was just trying to show you guys that no matter what 236 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.319 they asked for, they went in different directions, so that I had to 237 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.400 be like ready for everything, you know. I thought that would be interesting. 238 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:45.200 Oh was it their opening question? Yes, a lot of people died, 239 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.960 a lot of people were murdered. Afterwards, tell us about that. 240 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:56.200 Yeah, well, well that was the last segment. That's why if you 241 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.039 watch the whole thing,

that's not where they started, because they started with 242 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.759 well, just you know, let's talk about what happened that day because they're 243 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.119 in Dallas, uh, and so they were like, you know, just 244 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:08.720 a mile or two from here, you know, here it is. And 245 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.440 I was like, well, gee, guys, I wish you would have 246 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:17.440 been around for November because it would have made more sense since your local you 247 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:21.000 could have come down and done Blaze TV coverage at the Lancer conference. You 248 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:25.839 know, but okay, let me let me ask you this. Have you 249 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:33.839 noticed that, okay, now that the guy that took over for uh oh 250 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:40.440 whatever, the new the new darling of the podcasts the eight o'clock slid on 251 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.440 Fox. The new guy is Jesse Water or something. Jesse was doing a 252 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:52.759 JFK minute all the time. Yes, mm hmm. Well, when I 253 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.920 was younger, Jimmy, it seemed to me like people that were concerned about 254 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:03.079 the JFK assassination and want of the truth and we're into the investigations and so 255 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.480 on, it seemed to me like most of them would count themselves among the 256 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:14.559 left when I was very young, right. And at a certain point it 257 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:22.039 changed and it seemed like it was more of a right wing concern as to 258 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:27.720 the truth because the right wing was starting to accentuate the point that the government 259 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.920 lies to you a lot. You know, I think it's about who wants 260 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:37.119 to make the point about government lying to you. Whoever that is picks up 261 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.640 the JFK assassination. If their politics lead them to want to continuously make that 262 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:48.200 point, then they pick up the JFK assassination. Go look at this because 263 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.440 it makes sense. I mean, there were so many pieces and cover ups 264 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.799 and misdirections, and I mean literally at certain points, seems like the CIA 265 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:03.000 was funding the publishing of mentor books and counter films and all kinds of fun 266 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:07.240 stuff, you know, where it's it's weird. It's like, you know, 267 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.440 suddenly money shows up through weird sell organizations to pay people a million dollars 268 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:17.880 to write a JFK book, which you know, your average JFK author will 269 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.200 tell you these books are not million dollars million dollar money makers. Okay. 270 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:23.799 You know, Jim Douglas, who had one of the best selling books ever, 271 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.000 didn't make that much money even though it was through a major publisher after 272 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.240 he released it through the small one and all that. These guys it's not 273 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.279 a huge money maker, unlike what they used to say about us, you 274 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:37.799 know, which is, oh, you guys are in this to make money, 275 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:44.039 which is hilarious because anybody, Yeah, the only people that make money 276 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:48.920 are the ones they're being paid by the government to make Pro Warrant Commission books. 277 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.680 Well, right, you know, Vince Boogliosi got a million dollars just 278 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.839 to start work on his book, right. Uh, some of these other 279 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.720 guys get you know, the million dollar contract. I mean Posner, I 280 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.839 remember his contract details were out there and then disappeared. I forget what it 281 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:07.200 was. But he had a nice advance and you know, and his his 282 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:14.599 book was completed really quickly. Jimmy. Yeah, Now there's a weird guy. 283 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:21.160 I could swear. I just listened to a podcast series that was excellent 284 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:27.400 and the Vatican goings on in the late seventies and early eighties, and I'm 285 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:33.000 pretty sure it was him, and it was just full of conspiracy, this, 286 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:37.000 that and the other thing. And I'm like, Okay, how is 287 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:42.440 this the same guy? Gerald Posner? Yeah, yeah, oh you got 288 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.000 it. You gotta send me a link to that. Yeah, you got 289 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.880 to send me a link to that, because I've never heard that. Yeah, 290 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.119 google it for me, but I want to make sure it is Gerald 291 00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:59.759 Posmal because his name was definitely Posmal. Yeah, because something was wild ago. 292 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.680 I'll tell you if that's true. I got something to talk about then, 293 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:12.799 because that's really bizarre. So Gerald Posner podcast from when I would say 294 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:18.119 a few years ago, and that was on the Vatican and honestly, it's 295 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:23.759 a no holds bar he's talking about Pops getting killed with ours and he's talking 296 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:29.680 about the bank and scandals. It was excellent. Wow, like crap, 297 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.400 how canst be the same guy? Yeah, that doesn't sound right because you 298 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.799 know Gerald Posner every time he arrives anywhere to make a comment about this, 299 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:42.359 what his usual

stance is is that, you know, people want to believe 300 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:47.839 in a conspiracy. And why do they want to believe in a conspiracy because 301 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:52.240 they don't want to believe that the great man JFK was struck down by the 302 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:57.319 loser Oswald. And that's like his go to that's his mantra. Now, 303 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:02.160 I am not seeing anything that looks like that with Gerald Posner connected to it. 304 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:06.680 Matter of fact, all I see is anti stuff. There's this YouTube 305 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:11.839 video that apparently okay, this is about the document release and yeah, here 306 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.359 he goes. He comes out and basically says, look, nothing to see 307 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.799 here, folks. Uh, you know, and I put in Vatican into 308 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:25.319 the search. I'm not seeing that stuff, Jimmy. Tell you what, 309 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.079 though, I would love for you to find it for me and send me 310 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:33.799 a uh yeah, please send me a link to anything you can find on 311 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.279 it, because that's that's crazy. Sounding to me. I got another caller. 312 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.400 I'm gonna take that caller, but I'll come back to you, Jim, 313 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:42.519 all right, So, but but see if you can find that podcast. 314 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:47.400 If you got another device nearby, three go. I did find one 315 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:52.200 article, and I'm gonna paste it in the chat room. Yeah, what's 316 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.799 color? Sorry? Yeah, excellent, good. Put that in the chat 317 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.720 room and we'll get back around to you. I I'd love to see that. 318 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:02.039 I mean, I'm seeing this thing with Mark Zaid and a bunch of 319 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.759 things. Just doing a quick search on Posner. But positor supporting like Vatican 320 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.960 conspiracy. That would be wild as hell. I'd love to hear that. 321 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.559 That would be hilarious. But I suspect it's probably not Gerald Posner, or 322 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:21.240 if it is a Jerald Posner, it's not the same Gerald Posner that wound 323 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.799 up, by the way, getting defended in court by Mark Lane of all 324 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.279 people, when he had his problems with his plagiarism case. I think. 325 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:34.920 Anyways, I got another caller and appears as though they're from well their phone 326 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:37.640 is from Tennessee, but I don't know who it is. So anyway, 327 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:45.039 you're live on the Friday night open Mic. How you doing a good, 328 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.279 good evening. What's up body? Hey? How you doing? Man? 329 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:56.400 Do I know who this is? Do I know who this is? I'm 330 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.920 way out in the country, so there's gonna be a little bit of elect 331 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.079 live we have in the country. I'm calling over watch side things, so 332 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.759 we'll have to try not to step on one another with this delay. Ah 333 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.720 okay, yeah, try not to move around too much either. Your signals 334 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.839 a little shaky. But I do believe I have Doug Campbell with me. 335 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:22.920 Is that correct? That is correct? Sir? Ah okay, Doug. 336 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.839 You know I don't have be Pete with me tonight. He ended up last 337 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.799 minute not being able to come. So it's just me and the callers tonight, 338 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.720 my friend, and you're one of them. Uh So you had something 339 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.359 in mind though that I found interesting that you communicated to me off air. 340 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.039 So I'd love to just kind of give the floridia for a couple of minutes 341 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:47.880 here and let you begin with a uh you know again, audience, be 342 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.680 prepared for this one. A topic of conversation, perhaps a conspiracy theory, 343 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:59.799 indeed, that Doug might be interested in that is not ready not the JFK 344 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:08.799 assassination. Is that correct, Doug. Well, you you piqued my interest. 345 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:14.480 I was. I was going down the road listening to listening to I 346 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.240 think you you upload the shows a couple of days late at you know, 347 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.400 yep, and I heard you guys talking about this puffy puffy thing, right, 348 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.319 And I heard you mentioned the Biggie Small's murder. You asked the Pete, 349 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.640 well, we don't really have a definite thing on that. And I 350 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.720 was like, oh wow, finally somebody I could maybe talk to about this 351 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.599 because I went down this whole rabbit hole like here a while back, you 352 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.480 know, the Biggie and Tupac murders. And he just prefaced. I was 353 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:47.440 actually talking to Rob Clark today and I told him that what I do, 354 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:52.799 And it's kind of an inside joke, but you will understand when I I 355 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.240 wanted to know, first of all, joke that every bit of melage on 356 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:03.039 this subject, I have a bachelor's degree from YouTube University on to Tupac can 357 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.799 be Okay, all right, that's impressive. I'm with you that. Listen, 358 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.440 these are qualifications that I do not possess, uh, you know, 359 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.880 and I am always

eager to learn new things. I mean, I've got 360 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:25.119 my views on both of these murderers. But yeah, go ahead. I 361 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.519 was just watching a bunch of YouTube videos to maybe some of the people that 362 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:36.960 I might complain about in the JFK research community when it comes to the Bigie 363 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:41.079 and Tupac thing. I am those people. But let me say it's interesting 364 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.279 as hell, you know, the whole thing. So, and I told 365 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.880 me and Rob were talking today and I said, well, look, I've 366 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.839 got like the YouTube university degree, and I've read two whole books on the 367 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.960 subject. And I said, well, if I actually go on a podcast 368 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:03.920 and speak on it, because that's oh, we might have lost Doug. 369 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:08.440 No, no, you you you were gone. You were gone there for 370 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.160 me? Your signal drops? Sorry go ahead, we didn't. You said, 371 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.480 you know, if I go on a podcast and speak about this, 372 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.319 and then you were gone? Sorry, go ahead? Did that makes me 373 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.759 in it? Right? I'll tell you, man, your signals breaking up? 374 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.240 Ah, this sucks. Your signals breaking up? Doug? Can you 375 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:33.640 hear me? Yeah? I can hear you? Fine, Wow, okay, 376 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.640 but your signal is really bad. So I'm sorry. Go ahead, 377 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:42.559 try again. You want to see where I live? Hey, what about 378 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.920 now? Is that better? That's a little better. Go ahead. I 379 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.359 mean it's in and out, so you know it's it's weird. I mean 380 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:51.279 I live in making, so it's not you know, I'm not I'm near 381 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:56.400 civilization allegedly, so uh, you know, I understand, but but give 382 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:03.640 it a shot. Okay, you can hear me. Well, when the 383 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.079 signals better, we'll do skype for something. But uh, you know, 384 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.640 I Uh, as far as the Biggie thing, I think we do have 385 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:18.079 a definitive answer. He was murdered. I believe he was not not the 386 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:25.599 crooked cop theory, but that it was a con and uh it was a 387 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:30.920 mob piru gang banger named Fows that was known as Poo and uh the evidence 388 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:37.839 that uh that the but the goat you know, between Shug and this gang 389 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.240 banger is pretty com and you should look into it. Check that out. 390 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.519 Okay, Doug, I'm putting you on hold for a minute because I'm sorry, 391

00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:52.799 but you're you're so broken up. We heard like biggie Shug and gang 392 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.000 banger and we didn't hear the rest of the sentence. So I don't know 393 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.640 what to do. But you're your signals, rough man. If you could 394 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.880 figure out a way to stabilize that or something. Let me know, or 395 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.319 I'll come back to you in a little bit. Maybe you can fix it 396 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.119 on the line, because I want to hear what you have to say. 397 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.599 I'm missing half of what you're saying because it's going but you're doing that a 398 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:21.519 lot, so I'm sorry. Man. You said you could hear me, 399 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.079 fine, but we are not hearing you fine. And I know the listeners 400 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:30.240 are like, what the hell is Doug talking about? But he's talking about 401 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.920 the Biggie and Tupac murder. You might have gotten that part of it, 402 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.319 but the details have been all scrambled. So let's see if you can take 403 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:43.720 a couple of minutes and find your way to a better signal somew because we're 404 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.079 not hearing it. I gotta hear this, you know, and I'd love 405 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:51.440 to hear it. I'd love to hear anything new on this. Quite honestly, 406 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.880 it sounded to me like you might have suggested that we have a fairly 407 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:59.599 definitive answer when it comes to Chris Wallace getting killed. That would be a 408 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.440 big in the Biggie and Tupaca piasco. But you know, do we have 409 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.400 other answers. We had news from the Tupaca circumstance not too long ago. 410 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.720 But notice how that went right the hell out of the media too, that's 411 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:19.480 gone. Who's responsible? What happened? Worthyes? You know? Is it 412 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.400 just business and nothing personal? What happened? I would love to know. 413 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.839 I've got a couple of answers in my mind about a few things, but 414 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.519 I would never come out and definitively say I've done all the research, or 415 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.440 I've got it together, or I don't even have the good YouTube university degree 416 00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.960 that you said, Chad, But I'd love to hear it. Anyways. 417 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.000 I'd love to hear from any of you guys. So what I'm gonna do 418 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.759 right now is take a quick break and come back around. 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I'll 474 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.519 probably be repeating that in my sleep for the next few years for certain. 475 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:59.000 Thus far, we've heard from Doug Campbell briefly, although his signal was bad, 476 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.199 and Jimmy James. Now I've got an unknown caller on the line, 477 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.679 so I'm gonna go straight to them, and we'll get back around to Jimmy 478 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.400 and we'll get around to everybody on the show. I got time until Aaron 479 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:15.360 Franz goes live with the Age of Transitions at ten pm Eastern, and I 480 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.360 think Alex I'm sorry, will be with him again tonight. So ought to 481 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.599 be an interesting show always is with Aaron, and he's been on some weird 482 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.280 tears. Lately. He's gone into politics, which even though Uncle thinks everything 483 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.599 is politics with Aaron, it didn't used to be. But lately he's gone 484 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.639 in that direction, and I don't know what to say. I didn't know 485 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.320 what was gonna happen. Also didn't know he was gonna stop taking calls, 486 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.079 but I haven't stopped. Three one nine five two seven five zero one six 487 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.960 No bet Pete tonight. But let's see who's on the line next. And 488 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.760 I have an unidentified caller. How you doing? What's going on? Hey, 489 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.920 Chris Moke? How you doing with Chlly? Hey Chris, how you 490 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:00.119 doing? Hi? Not too bad? All right? Well, but you 491 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.480 know, I'm glad to hear from you. I really don't want to explain 492 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.599 how I'm doing, because I mean, I can spend the next what hour 493 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.000 probably telling you about my what, my depression, my aches and pains, 494 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.039 my problems all week. You want to hear all that you want, You 495 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:21.079 want me to want to do it. The puppies are really the nicest, 496 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.840 most pleasant part of my day, even if they're even the ones that don't 497 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.719 know yet not to pee on my floor. Are are actually the most pleasant 498 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.719 part of my day. Everything else, everything else is having trouble cooperating with 499 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.360 me, apparently, which, by the way, I have a brand new 500 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.000 and the last I hope litter of puppies because we had Buster fixed and anybody 501 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:47.079 who was in the Making Georgia area and would give a loving home to a 502 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.880 loving little animal. I do have seven puppies left to give away. They're 503 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.719 not ready to be separated from mama, but in a few weeks they will 504 00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.840 be. And I'd love to rehome them to some buddy who's going to take 505 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.280 care of them, because I'm not keeping these seven. We've already got

four 506 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.400 and maybe five now that we're gonna wind up keeping. And they're little dogs. 507 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.920 They're little dogs, everybody. It's not you know, it's not the 508 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:19.719 whole Alabama trailer park joke. You know how many dogs died when the governor's 509 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.679 mansion collapsed. Well, you got to check with the trailer park. No, 510 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.719 it's not that. But yeah, I got lots of little dogs and 511 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.480 seven that need new homes immediately. So yeah, in the next couple of 512 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.960 weeks, we'll be able to separate them from mom. They're either almost all 513 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:42.360 white or they're black and white kind of like kind of like markings that one 514 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.559 of those black and white cows would have on it, like one of those 515 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.679 heifers you see with the black and white on it. That's kind of the 516 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:52.960 coloring on them. And they're mainly docs and but little dog mix Chihuahua Docs 517 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:58.639 and miniature German pincher. And I call them the Mighty Mini MutS and really 518 00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.960 think that this breed ought to be named after me because this weird little combination. 519 00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.119 Uh, they're they're a mutt. They're they're like a designer dog that'll 520 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.840 stay small, but they're a mutt and they're really cute. And of course, 521 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.880 one of my best friends in the whole world, because I don't have 522 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.000 any friends in real life, is a Buster, right, And Buster is 523 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.039 my buddy, and he's the one who knocked up all the females and made 524 00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.280 all these letters. We got him fixed, and I didn't really want to 525 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:28.639 do that, but I can't handle the onslaught of puppies. So anyway, 526 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.800 Chris, sorry, I went on a long rant about puppies because you brought 527 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:38.440 them up. But I do love them. But damn well, I'll tell 528 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.480 you. Let me tell you something crazy that happened this week too. Maybe 529 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.119 it'll inspire you, depending on where you want to go in your call. 530 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.199 I was sitting here on I think it was Sunday night, and I was 531 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.800 trying to get some work done. And I was doing stuff and I look 532 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.880 over to my left and there's a shelf in my office, a plastic crap 533 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.480 shelf, and it has a lot of stuff on it. Well, I 534 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.280 heard this weird noise and I had the puppies in a cardboard box with their 535 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:13.159 mama right next to the shelf. This shelf collapsed and I had to jump 536 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.199 up. This is true. I had to jump up and literally keep this 537 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:22.320 avalanche of books and all kinds of heavy stuff from falling on the box of 538 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:28.079 puppies. And I guarantee you some of them would have been killed because this 539 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.320 shelf, which is about like three let's see one, two, four shelves 540 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:37.159 high, collapsed, you know, the top three levels collapsed like you know, 541 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.079 like like a skyscraper kind of. They didn't fall in their own footprint. 542 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.400 They were going toward the puppies, uh. And there was a lot 543 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.760 of books and everything else, and somehow I jumped up, grabbed the shelf 544 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.480 and was able to direct it away. But it was sort of like the 545 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:59.880 catch all junk shelf in my office, which had books and magazines and file 546 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.039 and I mean everything on it of all sorts plus a bunch of junk sort 547 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.440 of exploded in the office and went everywhere and almost fell on the puppies and 548 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:14.239 crushed them. But I prevented that and none of them were harmed. But 549 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.400 my office is still, as I speak, a wreck. I worked on 550 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:21.400 it for a couple hours just so I could walk through the mess. But 551 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:22.920 I have a total disaster message. I'll tell you. If I had a 552 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:27.760 friend right now, i'd be recruiting them to come over my house and please 553 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.960 help me clean my office up, because it's a total disaster now from this 554 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.360 collapse shelf. But anyway, why do I tell you this? Because I 555 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.760 saved the puppies somehow. I jumped up from my chair as the shelf was 556 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:45.039 collapsing and falling, caught the shelf and was able to direct all of these 557 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.960 things, including many heavy books again, but I mean pens and bottles and 558 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.199 cans and all kinds of stuff supplies. I had some snacks up there, 559 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:57.840 I had another pair of shoes up there. It was a catch all shelf, 560 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.719 and this shelf has basically floated and gone all over my office. But 561 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:07.760 I was able to shelter the puppies from the collapsing shell to break something. 562 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.559 Yeah, something did it. And it was a weird if you saw the 563 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.320 way that this happened, Like my son freaked out. He's like, what 564 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.800 the hell is all

that? I said, Ah, the shelf collapsed, 565 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.320 and he came running and he went, oh my god, Oh my god. 566 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.280 You started running around the house, and he's you know, he overreacts. 567 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:27.840 But I'm like, hey, come in here and help me. I 568 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.719 got stuff everywhere. Help me. I'm trying to make sure this doesn't fall 569 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.119 on the puppies. I'm standing there holding it, you know, and he's 570 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.920 running away, going, oh my god. And nobody else was home, 571 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:38.880 by the way, so it's not like he was going to get mom. 572 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.239 Anyway. This was the scene on Sunday night. Kind of hurt my back 573 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.679 a little doing that, but yeah, that's the way my week started is 574 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.920 with the exploding shell. Anyway. I don't know if anybody finds this interesting, 575 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.440 but what the hell? So now I'll shut up, Chris, what's 576 00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:02.079 on your mind? Hey for what if you don't how old your son? 577 00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.880 If you don't let me ask him, No, I got a five year 578 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.960 old. I'm just curious. Yeah, he's nine, but emotionally sometimes younger 579 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:14.800 you know, but not. Yeah. Yeah, I've got an older son. 580 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.000 To my older son, he's Jesus, he'll be twenty one this year. 581 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.239 Oh, I've got I've got a as well, so I've got fun 582 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.840 at the younger ages. Listen, I've got a I've got a boy that 583 00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.840 lives in North Carolina that is going to be twenty two this year. So 584 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.920 yeah, I got Yeah, I got both ends of the spectrum there. 585 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.239 Yeah, they're funner as a younger, aren't they. Uh yeah, usually, 586 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.599 But I don't know. I think my boys are just no fun most 587 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.239 of the time. Anyway. I get along so much better with my daughter, 588 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.400 who's the oldest of my children. But anyway, we're not going to 589 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.960 go there tonight. Let's let's not talk family relations. It isn't the Doctor 590 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.000 Phil show. Uh but anyway, Yeah, no, I know what it's 591 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.119 like. I got the adult and I've also got the kiddie. So yeah. 592 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.280 Anyways, So what else is on your mind? Chris? Sorry, 593 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.079 I keep asking that question and not letting you answer it. No, it's 594 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.039 okay. I don't really have too much to contribute to the TUPAC discussion, 595 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:21.400 but just wanted to know what your preparations

were for the ore impending doom coming 596 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.920 April eighth. Oh, the eclipse, the rocket, the demonic rockets being 597 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.599 fired at the moon, what the different types of locust. I'm gonna I 598 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:37.000 could list off probably three or four more things. I think. Oh yeah, 599 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.599 the world is ending again? Right, Well, you know, here's 600 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:44.519 that's what That's what they said. Here we go again. What was it 601 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:49.039 last September or two septembers ago was supposed to happen to? Well, it's 602 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.480 the day after my birthday, So make of that what you will, right, 603 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:59.400 because it's the eighth and my birthdays April seven, So there you go. 604 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.039 Wa When is Easter? Did Easter happen? Easter happened already? Yes, 605 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.039 okay, never mind, I'm trying to think of something to correlate it 606 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.039 to. What's good? It's a week before tax Day. What else happens 607 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:19.159 in April? Yeah, I suppose I mean King assassination month. I don't 608 00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.519 know what else goes on in April. Not much, I guess, right. 609 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.519 I gotta tell you. Somebody sent me a Skype message Hitler's birthday. 610 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.719 No, that's not the eighth, I don't think. Yeah, that's the 611 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.239 twentieth, though, that's not the eighth. I don't know what. Why 612 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.360 don't we look up and see what? What? Actually? You know? 613 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.400 Like, do one of those this day in history look ups for April eighth 614 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.159 ahead of time. Let's see what it would you know, correspond to? 615 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:54.800 Right, let's do that while we're talking April eight in history. Let's try 616 00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:01.159 that. See what it says on my my doubled search engine. This one 617 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.039 one that's not supposed to work with Google, and one that does work with 618 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.719 Google, even though it doesn't say Google on it. Let's see most significant 619 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.639 thing that comes up. In eighteen seventeen, the New York Stock Exchange is 620 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:19.559 founded. He likes. Susan B. Anthony addresses the US House of Representatives 621 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.079 in eighteen eighty four. I don't know. I'm not seeing much excitement yet. 622 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:29.639 Let's see April eighth, the city of city of Ula, Finland is 623 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:35.400 founded by Charles the ninth of Sweden. All right, what do you do? 624 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.119 Let's go to history dot com and see because sometimes they have some interesting 625 00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:45.360 like this is the stuff that happened on this day. And I sometimes start 626 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:46.800 by this day in history. I used to do this day in History on 627 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:50.960 the podcast a lot and I don't know. People just didn't really dig it, 628 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:55.719 so I stopped doing it. Let's see, they're giving me a bunch 629 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.239 of videos. See that's the other thing nowadays, Like if you want to 630 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.519 go get some texts real fast, it's not always there, you know. 631 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.320 Oh yeah, it's much harder to find information nowadays. That does it. 632 00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.079 Honestly seem like the a lot of testaments scrub from the internet. Yeah, 633 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:13.880 and anything that wasn't scrubbed, they've turned it into a game or a video 634 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.440 or you know, some other crap. Oh, here we go. Historical 635 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.360 events on April eighth, according to this website. Oh here we go. 636 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.920 Here's one in eleven forty nine, Pope Eugene the Third takes refuge in the 637 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.400 castle. Okay, yeah, let's see what else we got. Let's go 638 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:36.400 to some more modern times. Maybe we'll bring it down here. Venus de 639 00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:40.639 Milo blah blah. John dye Lynde eighteen sixty Okay, American Museum in Natural 640 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.840 History opens in New York City. Okay, Italy and Prussia a lie against 641 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.760 Austria and Hungaria and Hungary in eighteen sixty six. And maybe we got to 642 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.480 go to the nineteen let's go to nineteen hundreds. All right, Russia and 643 00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:02.079 China signed the Convention of Evacuation, under which Russia agrees to evacuate Manchuria within 644 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:08.320 eighteen months. British mystic Aleister Crowley describes the first chapter of the Book of 645 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:14.920 the Law. On nineteen oh four. Okay, let's see, Great Britain 646 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:22.719 and France established their Antiquitiel, a technical treaty setting along standing disagreements over Monico, 647 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.760 Egypt, Africa, and the Pacific. Okay, New York City changes 648 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:35.159 the name of who cares. Let's say blah blah blah b seventeenth Amendment of 649 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.360 the United States Constitutions ratified by Congress, providing for election of senators by popular 650 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:46.400 vote. All right, opening of China's first Parliament takes place in Peking now, 651 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:52.159 Beijing. Let's see, US and Columbia sign a treaty concerning the Panama 652 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:59.119 Canal. Norway approaches active and passive female suffrage. All right,

what else? 653 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.320 Come on to be something else? Here? King Zog, the first 654 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:07.719 of Albania, flees after Italy invades. In nineteen thirty nine, German battlecruisers 655 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:15.719 sink British aircraft carrier Glorious. This day, and was it nineteen forty nineteen 656 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:20.239 forty? All right, what else we got here? NFL's draft, Frank, 657 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.639 Oh, come on nineteen forty three. No, I don't need the 658 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.360 NFL. All right, Let's go to nineteen fifty two. US President Harry 659 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:31.519 Truman seizes steel mills to avert a strike. Netherlands and Germany sign a cord 660 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:37.199 concerning war casualties. In nineteen sixty, US Senate passes civil rights bill with 661 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:44.360 measures against discriminatory voting practices. In nineteen sixty Okay, I don't know. 662 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:50.519 I'm not seeing much interesting here, correlating with April eighth, fortieth Academy Awards 663 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.880 postponed April tenth due to death of Martin Luther King. Well that's something. 664 00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:02.840 Let's see nineteen sixty A check Slovakia. Let's see Time publishes is God Dead 665 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.679 issue its first issue without an image in nineteen sixty six, begins brought a 666 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:15.639 TV station begins broadcasting like that's what is that? First Major League Baseball game 667 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.440 featuring a Canadian team, The Montreal Expos, of course, beat the New 668 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.719 York Mets eleven to ten at Chase Stadium in nineteen sixty nine. All right, 669 00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:30.760 Senate rejects Nixon's nomination of Judge G. Harold Carswell first legal off alright, 670 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:36.199 garbage, garbage, garbage, NFL draft? What else we got here? 671 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.320 People's Republic of China joins International Olympic Committee. In nineteen seventy nine. 672 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.880 Islanders scored nine goals against Toronto in the playoffs in nineteen eighty one. Wow, 673 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:51.719 eighty one was a slow year. Well, let's see US Census Bureau 674 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:59.800 estimates rank Los Angeles's second most populated city, displacing Chicago, Okay. In 675 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:04.960 file suit against the Union, carbide over Okay. Blah, blah blah. 676 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:07.960 California Angels. Pitcher Jim Abbot, born without his right hand, makes his 677 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:13.519 Major League baseball debut, lasting only four and two thirds innings in nineteen eighty 678 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:17.559 nine. I remember that. Let's see, Yes, he was the pitcher, 679 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.599 Jim Abbot. He was one handed. Yeah, oh, really left 680 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:27.039 handed pitcher? One handed he was? He was one hand I forget if 681 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:29.639 he was left handed or right handed. But he kept his glove on his 682 00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.159 stump, and then after he threw, he would grab the glove off his 683 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.559 stump and put it on the same hand he just threw with uh. That's 684 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:39.719 what he would do. No, go ahead, yeah, you know you 685 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:45.239 could. You could find that online somewhere. Pitcher Jim Abbot born with without 686 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:46.199 his right hand. Yes, so he would have to be a left handed 687 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:52.519 pitcher. That's correct. Let's see Atlanta b well is, Atlanta Braves, 688 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:57.760 Kent Merker no hits the Dodgers, all right, Japanese Prime Minister nineteen ninety 689 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:02.840 four, smoking band in Pentagon and all US military basis all right. Let's 690 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.800 see Tony Tucker's seven rounds win vacated? What is this the vacated boxing title? 691 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.920 Right? Yikes? I mean, what have we got here? Nineteen 692 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:17.039 US Marines are killed when a V twenty two Ospray tilt roter aircraft crashes near 693 00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.920 Mary. Okay, that's uh, that sucks, But what are you gonna 694 00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:24.960 do? What else we got here? One hundred and sixty three people killed 695 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:30.199 in fifty thousand are displaced after tribal violence erupts in darfour, Sudan in twenty 696 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:37.400 thirteen. No, I'm not seeing anything that would be like world shaking here 697 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.519 on April eighth, and I'm already into the twenty twenty Saudi Back twenty twenty 698 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:46.320 Saudi Back coalition fighting Houti fighters in Yemen calls for a ceasefire after five years 699 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.599 to stop the spread of COVID Yikes in twenty twenty. This is what they're 700 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:57.039 saying. World Trade Organization predicts a drop in global trade greater than two thousand 701 00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.960 and eight financial crisis, again due to COVID three thirty two percent for twenty 702 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:07.800 twenty Yikes. Seventh Night of unresting Belfast in twenty twenty one Northern Ireland, 703 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:14.800 even after joint call for calm. All right, first all private space Axiom 704 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:20.079 one launches to the International Space Station in twenty twenty two. And that's it. 705 00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.559 There is not much correlating to April eighth in history from what I see. 706 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.559 Well, maybe you to make the difference. Huh, Well, there 707 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.760 you go, there you go. So look, I've got other callers. 708 00:58:31.800 -->

00:58:35.880 I'm gonna move on to him, Chris, just because, and I'll come 709 00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:37.639 back around to you though if you hang around. So I'll come back around. 710 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:44.719 Let's see who's up next. Uh, looks like I got a call. 711 00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:50.000 You know what This could indeed be Yes, I think this is the 712 00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.800 return of Doug Campbell. Maybe he's got a better signal. Doug is that 713 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:58.920 you and the not much. I was going through this day in history for 714 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.079 April eighth, because it was apparently the world's supposed to end the day after 715 00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:05.199 my birthday. So we decided to check on it and see if there was 716 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.280 any other interesting dates in history or interesting occurrences on April eighth that we could 717 00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:15.159 correlate it to. Uh. Yeah, that's one of the latest, like 718 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.519 you know, paranoia themes out there is that you know, once again we're 719 00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.920 gonna have some calamity on the eighth of April. That's gonna be like world 720 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:29.119 ending. So nobody told me. Nobody told me. Nobody told me until 721 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.159 tonight either. I started looking it up, and he's right, it's the 722 00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.440 the chatter and the Uh there's a weird contingent on the internet that's, you 723 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:40.920 know, the the constant doomsday people. Uh and yeah, they they just 724 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.800 like in what was the two septembers ago, the world was supposed to end. 725 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:46.920 Well, apparently it's gonna end again on the eighth because of the eclipse 726 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.440 and a few other things. And I don't know all the reasoning, but 727 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.559 I decided to check in history see if there was anything remarkable about April eighth 728 00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:02.360 and uh seems like no, so oh so well no Biggie. Well I'm 729 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.880 thinking no, Biggie, but you never know. Look, one of these 730 01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:08.559 days I'm going to be wrong about you know, is the world going to 731 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:15.119 end tomorrow? If you ask that question every single day for eternity, eventually 732 01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:20.079 the world will. Indeed, you're right, Yeah, that's it. You 733 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.119 know, if every day you tell somebody you know they're gonna die, eventually, 734 01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:28.840 you'll be right. Uh but you know that's right. Yeah, So 735 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.280 uh, anyway you go, you got a better signal. So I'd like 736 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:36.400 to return to your discussion. And also I see some other callers on the 737 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:39.880 line besides the people we've already heard from, so love to turn the floor 738 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:44.239 back over to you and let you go at it because I got plenty of 739 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.280 time here to work with and no co hosts, So go right ahead. 740 01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.000 We were talking, or you were starting to talk about Biggie and Tupac and 741 01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:54.840 how you have the YouTube University degree on this, and uh, yeah, 742 01:00:54.920 --> 01:01:01.280 man, go ahead, I've got a bachelor's from YouTube University from watching like 743 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:07.679 five days were the videos and we got snowed in excellent, So I figure, 744 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.840 yeah, and then I read two books, so that makes me an 745 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.199 expert. Right, you know what? Really quick? I love when people 746 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.199 do this on JFK to me where they go, I've seen stuff on YouTube 747 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.519 and I read all the books. One time this guy emphatically said I read 748 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:29.239 all the books, and I said, all the books? Really? How 749 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:35.159 many do you count among the books? Well? I read three three? 750 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.840 You read three books? Yeah, I read three books. Do you think 751 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:44.599 that's all the books? Huh? Okay, So anyway, but maybe there's 752 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:51.679 less books on this go go ahead. I helped you add me in a 753 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:59.000 JFK assassination discussion group on the dreaded Facebook. Right. And one of the 754 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.199 we have membership questions and they're all multiple choices, right, And I think 755 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.159 a lot of people think that that you get you get you know, accepted 756 01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:13.639 into a group if you just bother to answer the question. And there's actually 757 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.280 question number two. If not, that's they're all wrong answers. And question 758 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.880 number two is where do you get the majority of your research material? And 759 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.880 one of the choices is you too? That will if that's your answer to 760 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.440 that question, that will immediately get you barred from the group. That's great 761 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:37.360 and should be MM hmm, yeah, yeah, But I say that I'm 762 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:45.039 poking in front of myself because you guys were discussing this this all this weirdness 763 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:47.239 with puff Daddy, you know that's going on in the raids and stuff, 764 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.199 right, And as I was saying before, when I called in with the 765 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:55.119 crappy signal, and I kind of got stuck down that rabbit hole. The 766 01:02:55.159 --> 01:03:02.199 whole Death Row records and the mot the the the stories

behind, you know, 767 01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:07.199 interviews and stuff with some of the some of the gang members that ran 768 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.239 with Death Row, you know, during that time, during the whole you 769 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:15.920 know, during the nineties, it was a big gang culture kind of kind 770 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.320 of company, right, and almost everybody in the world was saying, yeah, 771 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:22.280 the music was not right. Almost every almost everybody in the world at 772 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.719 that point was saying, look, Sugar Knight's a gang banger. He's got 773 01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.719 lots of killer gang bangers around him. He's a thug. After all, 774 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.039 he dangled Vanilla Ice from his ankles off of a hotel balcony, uh, 775 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.920 you know, in order to have him sign over the rights to Ice Ice 776 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:42.239 baby, right, so you know he killed people. Come on, that's 777 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.760 the answer. That was the answer for a while. That stood, right, 778 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:49.280 go ahead, Well for the Biggie thing, you know, and I 779 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.719 heard you got I heard you ask me p the question, you know, 780 01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:57.960 like do we have a definitive answer? And I'm know I'm by no means 781 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.079 an expert, you know, but I have seen like a lot of interviews 782 01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:05.239 with this to take them Greg Cating that led the Biggie task Force in LA, 783 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:11.719 and I think I agree with him. I think it's it's it's not 784 01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:16.280 unsolved, it's just unprosecuted, you know. I know there were like two 785 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:21.599 competing theories. One of them had this guy Raphael Perez and David Matt who 786 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:28.119 were these supposed they were they were crooked LA cops who robbed banks, and 787 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.239 there was one theory that these guys had done it. But I believe, 788 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.880 I believe the theory that in the confession, you know, out of the 789 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:40.079 chick that Greg Cating and his task force were able to get in the Biggie 790 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:44.039 killing, that it was a mob piru gang banger that worked for should Knight 791 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:50.400 named Wardell Poucci Fowls okay, and he was aw I think the story was 792 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:58.159 he was paid fourteen grand totally. Well, you know, it is much 793 01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:03.800 more reasonable to me that it was contract killing based on the way it went 794 01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:10.719 down, and a bunch of strange things happened, and you know, there's 795 01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:14.199 a bunch of weird circumstances. Forget about the witnesses who didn't see nothing. 796 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:18.159 I mean, that's just gonna happen in circumstances like this. But it seemed 797 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.559 to me like it was right for contract killing. That's why the cop thing 798 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:26.039 almost made sense, because in New York there was a bunch of times that 799 01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.559 they came up with you know, cops that they couldn't quite stick them with 800 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.719 the contract killing, but they knew that the contracts were offered to some of 801 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:36.280 these guys who were getting paid off to do all sorts of things in New 802 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:40.880 York before and La, I mean, come on, man, LA, 803 01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:47.400 is you know crooked police? Tell me that if there's a encyclopedia that has 804 01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.679 that as a listing, that the Los Angeles, you know police department doesn't 805 01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:57.639 come up in the first couple of references in any encyclopedia on crooked cops. 806 01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:02.599 I mean, come on, So it made sense to me the the guy 807 01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:08.440 that was the head of security for death row records is an ex cop but 808 01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:12.719 he's not an x L A cop. He worked for the Compton Police Department 809 01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:17.719 in Compton, California. His father was the hit. His father was the 810 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:25.079 head of the of the End of the Game task force right in Compton, 811 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:29.400 which later got shut down for corruption. Uh well, actually they shut the 812 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.320 entire Compton Police Department down. But the father of the guy that was Dethro 813 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:38.239 Records Security chief, a guy named Reggie Wright, was the head of the 814 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:43.599 task force that was shut down for corruption. So and Reggie Wright he was 815 01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:46.679 with He was with death Row for a long time. Matter of fact, 816 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:50.320 I think he was like managing director of death Row even after shub Knight went 817 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:54.079 to prison. Yeah, he was. He was in charge of taking care 818 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.800 of a lot of stuff while Sube Knight was locked up. And I remember 819 01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.679 that from one of the long documentaries I watched. They went through that whole 820 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.880 thing with Reggie Wright. So yeah, go ahead. Yeah, that guy 821 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:09.559 he's still doing like a speaking to YouTube a YouTube episode to day on this 822 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.920 stuff. It's crazy. It's like, you can't let it go weird, 823 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:16.199 man, it's weird. But did you ever hear the story that of the 824 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.519 confession that that task force got out of sug Knight's mistress as far as the 825 01:07:21.559 -->

01:07:27.760 Biggie killing, I remember, see, I don't remember her being the mistress. 826 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.960 It seemed like she was an angry girlfriend, right, And I had 827 01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.239 seen a couple of interviews with her where she didn't give up much. And 828 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:41.840 then there was supposedly a confession that was gotten in private, and I don't 829 01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:44.880 know if that was taped or not. There was something about that, Wasn't 830 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.800 there something about she was taped or wasn't taped And we weren't sure where the 831 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.320 tape was. Wasn't that part of that? Or am I mixing things up? 832 01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:57.119 Well? They it was written down, but not tape. The guy 833 01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:01.199 that they just arrested for killing Tupac, a cat named Katy D who's the 834 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:08.920 south Side crip. He was taped. They did tape his little proper agreement 835 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.559 confession on the Tupac killer, but they didn't take this other this other chicks 836 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.159 and from one understand, they're there. She's twisted in in the in the 837 01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:24.920 profer agreement under an alias. But she was apparently sug Night's mistress or one 838 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:31.159 of his mistresses, and they had her on a bunch of broad money laundering, 839 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:36.039 taking car titles and ships for stolen cars. So they kind of hung 840 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:40.760 that over her head, you know, to get a proper agreement about the 841 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:44.720 biggie thing. And apparently Kating in his task force already had all this information 842 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:49.159 about kind of a lot of the information about what went down, so he 843 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:56.439 crafted a fake confession from this Pucci guy and they got her in this proper 844 01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:59.920 agreement and he says, well, this is what Pouccie wrote before he died. 845 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:02.720 And she said, oh wow, well he got this. This is 846 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.760 wrong, and this is wrong, but it's basically what happened, and she 847 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:13.000 laid it all out. Apparently, apparently David Kenner, this guy David Kenner, 848 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.600 who was Shug's attorney and I think business partner, snuck her into prison 849 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:21.960 about six months after Tupac got killed because Sugar actually got violated, I think 850 01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:28.239 violated his parole because of the MGM fight and he went back to jail. 851 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:34.439 Well, Kenner sneaks her in as under the guise of a legal assistant, 852 01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:39.319 into a meeting with Shug and Sugar basically set it up. I want you 853 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.439 to go to Poucci, ask him how

much money it's gonna take. I 854 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:46.159 want this done. She meets with this guy he tells him or he says 855 01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:51.079 nine grand I believe, which he later came back and asked for five more 856 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.920 to get out of town. And that's kind of the way it went. 857 01:09:55.760 --> 01:10:00.319 She got the money, paid him off, and apparently this Pucci came who 858 01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.600 was one of the mob pirut guys that were always around Death Road, you 859 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:08.600 know, the bloods that always hung out. He was part of that whole 860 01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:13.439 set right, and apparently pulled it off. He was killed like a year 861 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.720 and a half later, driving down the road on his motorcycle, shot like 862 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:21.079 seventeen times in the back or something. Yeah, you're right. All these 863 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:28.640 guys were hardcore gang bangers from what I understand from my studies at YouTube University 864 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:31.359 and the only two books I've ever read on the subject. So I'm just 865 01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:35.000 saying, well, look, it makes sense though, because much like when 866 01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.000 people bring up you know, look at all the murders that happened after the 867 01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:45.960 JFK assassination, and you have to make subsets because if you're in certain lines 868 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.239 of work, my brother, your lifespan is not that long. It's just 869 01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:51.840 that simple. Uh, you know, look at the gangsters who were murdered, 870 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:57.039 no kidding, you know, it's like, yeah, you know, 871 01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.560 so the idea that a lot of the gang bangers who would have been part 872 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.880 of the connective tissue of this or you know, are are dead already. 873 01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:10.520 Color me way not shocked thirty years later, right, I mean, you 874 01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.039 know, within a year or two is all you got because a lot of 875 01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:16.800 these guys will die or wind up into prison somewhere. They end up in 876 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:20.359 the shoe okay, the segregated housing unit, and that's the end of them. 877 01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:25.640 They drop off, the end of the world gone. So you know, 878 01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:29.119 man, most of these guys, I can think of one of these 879 01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:34.319 cats that ran with that death row set back then that didn't either end up 880 01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:40.479 in prison or dead. And he does a lot of interviews kind of you 881 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.520 know, about the whole time, and I actually enjoy listening to him. 882 01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.600 He's got a lot of the history down. But there's only like one guy 883 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:49.039 that made it out in state, you know, right, one guy. 884 01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:54.520 And you know, you draw the parallel to the jfk assascination, and you 885 01:11:54.600 --> 01:12:03.800 know, depending on what set of potential of one of what's the word potential 886 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:09.239 shooters? What set of potential you know? And I kind of concentrate on 887 01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.960 the paramilitary side of things with the anti Castro Cubans. And you know a 888 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.039 lot of those guys didn't make it out a lot either. Well, but 889 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:20.960 the goose after yeah, you know, we started dropping off too. Let 890 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.920 me ask you before I jump off of you those let me ask you one 891 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:30.279 question out of left field on the JFK assassination based on a document that I 892 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.399 recently ran across that we're gonna do on quick Kits with Rob. I'm gonna 893 01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:38.760 I'm gonna share it in a couple of weeks. But this is just you 894 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.479 know a lot about this brother, you know a lot about the history of 895 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.560 the researchers and this, and I know this is gonna sound kind of out 896 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:46.439 of left field, but I'm gonna throw mame at you. Okay, are 897 01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:59.439 you ready? Bernard Finster Wall mm hmm, true benevolent truth seeker or c 898 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:02.399 I A and or I don't know what you want to call it, deep 899 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:08.039 state whatever, controlled opposition? What do you think off the top of your 900 01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:15.560 head? I would have to put him in the same category as Epstein and 901 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:20.119 why because a lot of his actions don't make sense and believe it or not, 902 01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:25.520 there's a couple of sacred cows in the JFK research community that I think 903 01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:30.760 don't need to be so sacred and uh Fenser Wald. I look, I 904 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:35.000 can't prove it, but I would say to you that he is definitely a 905 01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:43.039 sketchy looking when it comes to his uh motivations. I wouldn't say that I 906 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.000 could prove anything definitively, but I mean, you make me have to, 907 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.399 uh, you know, flip a card on the back of the front on 908 01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:53.279 him. I gotta tell you I would put him in the controlled opposition pile 909 01:13:55.159 --> 01:14:00.479 if I have to, because I've always gotten sort of that feeling myself. 910 01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:05.439 But and I don't want to give up to I don't have the document with 911 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:11.800 me, So to your listeners, we listen to quick Hits in a couple 912 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:15.880 of weeks with Rob Clark and myself and we'll read it. But I found 913

01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:20.800 an interesting letter took in at the Mary Farrell Foundation in a file that it 914 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:27.479 probably just shouldn't have been in, you know, filed lots of documents. 915 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:33.159 It's a letter from nineteen seventy one from Bernard Finsterwald to a man named Lawrence 916 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:41.520 J. Houston, who at the time was the I believe General Counsel to 917 01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:46.680 the Central Intelligence Agency. Yeah, okay, now you know, yeah, 918 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:51.239 I do. That's interesting. What what is curious? What? What? 919 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.159 What did you find in that letter? Because I've never heard of this letter, 920 01:14:55.479 --> 01:15:00.279 but I know who you're talking about. He wants he's requesting a meet 921 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.640 up at a discreet location that he's and he suggests a very discreet location and 922 01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:12.760 he wants to bring along somebody from mister Houston to meet. Yeah, okay, 923 01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:23.319 well that's really as Colonel named Leroy Fletcher Cloudy. Are you kidding now, 924 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:29.600 sir? Uh uh oh wow, Okay, well that go ahead. 925 01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.840 I'm just saying that's interesting, but I don't have it with me. But 926 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:41.399 I wanted to get your take on whether Sinster Wallen is benevolent or possibly not, 927 01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.680 you know, for that reason, and I'm gonna ask a couple of 928 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:51.159 other people in our in the research community, the same question. And before 929 01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:55.039 maybe I read the letter, I'll read these opinions off, you know, 930 01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:58.079 you and a couple of other people, and then we'll read the letter and 931 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:01.159 you know, just let everybody to get their take on it. Yeah, 932 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.640 my journey wants to meet somewhere in discreet, quiet, and he wants to 933 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:10.760 introduce prouty. Yeah, that's really odd. And I'll tell you this, 934 01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.039 Uh to me again, I would say that I can't you know, absolutely 935 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:19.239 say for certain off the bat anything. But if I had to place him 936 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:23.239 somewhere, and you're telling me, look, man, he's got to go 937 01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:27.840 in one pile or the other. You can't leave him on the table. 938 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.760 Right. We're separating people into the benevolent researcher who's actually you know, doing 939 01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:38.399 an honest search for something and the people that are out there actively trying to 940 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:44.920 undermine things and are probably being controlled and have an agenda that is about making 941 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.039 sure people don't get at the truth. He has to go in that pile. 942 01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:54.279 I think he was, Yeah, I think he was working against him. 943 01:16:55.399 --> 01:17:00.399 What you're saying, there's no other right, If there's no other pile, 944 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:05.039 he goes in the not benevolent pile. Right. But but I wouldn't 945 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.319 you know, I wouldn't snap to it right away. But you know a 946 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:13.159 bunch of things with him over the years, and you're you're telling me something 947 01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:15.560 new that would add to it, you know, that might make me push 948 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:21.079 him over there quicker, you know what I mean? But but that's that 949 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:27.560 is awfully strength. Hey, absolutely anytime, and I'm always happy to hear 950 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.319 from you, Doug. And I'm glad we got the phone line straightened out 951 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:34.000 because I needed to hear from my doctorate. You know, my friend with 952 01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:39.479 the eight Did you say doctorate or you have a bachelor's degree? I have 953 01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:43.279 a bachelor's degree. Bachelor's degree from YouTube. Well it's more than I got 954 01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:46.800 bachelor's degree from YouTube University. Fair enough. That's your take on Biggie and 955 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.680 Tupac, And I appreciate it, man, really I do. But I 956 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:55.319 keep helping home. I will say this. Rob and I were talking earlier 957 01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:00.760 and and we were wondering if you know how it is nowadays even in the 958 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:05.720 JFK research community. Now that I appeared on a podcast and spoke on the 959 01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:15.279 teapocket Biggie thing, does that automatically make me an expert? Depends on who 960 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:19.920 you're talking to, right, heymen, brother there Kelly. It has been 961 01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:24.800 fabulous talking to you, dude. It was wonderful hanging with you at Lancer, 962 01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:29.000 and man, we'll talk again very soon, sir, I promise absolutely. 963 01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.239 Hey, listen, you know Lancer is being planned for this year for 964 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:35.720 the twenty second straight on, just letting you know. They don't have the 965 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:41.960 location yet, but that's where it's gonna be on the twenty second. Are 966 01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:45.840 you going to be there? I'm involved in the planning, so yeah, 967 01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:49.880 I then I'll be there. How about that? And I'll be there too. 968 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:55.039 Sounds good. We need to redeem a few things from last time, 969 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.880 I think, and not not things that were necessarily our fault. But yeah, 970 01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.039 I think we need to make it a better sixty one than we had 971

01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.720 at the sixty. You know what I'm saying. And you know what, 972 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:09.640 we had a really good sixty. So yeah, I think that's possible. 973 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.960 But cool beans, man, I will talk to you down the road, 974 01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.359 brother, you'd be good till vp't. I said, Hey, and man, 975 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.359 well, how at your brother? We'll do Doug Campbell again, you 976 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:20.560 know, and you'll be able to catch up on that stuff he was talking 977 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:25.640 about on quick Hits, which you can find pretty much everywhere that there are 978 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:31.359 podcasts, okay and all that good stuff, and he does the Dallas Action 979 01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.359 quick hits he does with Rob Clark. Rob Clark is, of course the 980 01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:40.720 guy from the Loan Gunman podcast, which coincidentally that's a funny thing. I 981 01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:44.279 may or may not have somebody who's connected to the Loan Gunman podcast on the 982 01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:51.840 line. Let's see Joe are you there? Hello, how's it going? 983 01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:58.600 Man? I identify yourself for the listeners, please. I am Joey Scooter 984 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:05.960 stars Eli, co host of the Gotten In podcast, And uh, I 985 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:15.399 just wanted to follow up on Doug and that it's a great Uh. You 986 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.920 know, he makes a joke that a YouTube university, but he he really 987 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:25.600 knows this, his stuff about this, and uh, it's fascinating. Ah. 988 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:29.560 So so you have so you have gotten the thing I've never really looked 989 01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.640 into, right, but you've gotten the the Doug Campbell presentation on Vigie and 990 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:40.720 Tupac before. I guess somehow somewhere good messaging all day about it. Yeah, 991 01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:46.560 and he sent me documentaries to watch and uh is trying to educate me. 992 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:57.600 So I'm very interested and his is uh, his little calling was I 993 01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:02.720 thought amazing. It was great. I think it's much easier to solve something 994 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:11.720 like this than something that happened sixty years ago. And while he says YouTube 995 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:17.760 university, you know, I think it he is listening to a lot of 996 01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:26.239 rappers first hand. Accounts of the situation, so it isn't quite YouTube University. 997 01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:30.039 But the point is he knows what he's talking about in regards to this 998 01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:41.640 very fascinating what I wanted to make an announcement exclusively tell the effect. And 999 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:47.600 I heard you mentioned that you weren't sure when Lancer or what hotel Lancers is 1000 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:56.079 going to be at next year. Actually have two topics I'm preferring for But 1001 01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:05.039 I'm going to conquer the scooter in front of the whole smoking section in front 1002 01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:12.399 of the hotel, and it will be filmed and it could be broadcasted. 1003 01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:18.920 I give everyone broadcast rights, and I'll be practicing on the bird. I 1004 01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:25.000 might even do some tricks. Who knows, well, I guess you'll have 1005 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:29.720 to show up at Lancer to find out. So you are going to attempt 1006 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:35.479 the attempt to alter your nickname just to touch you said Scooter Scars Burrelli, 1007 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:41.720 which is pretty funny. But uh, maybe you'll be a Scooter Star BURRELLI 1008 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:45.079 after this one, right, because You're gonna do some tricks and redeem yourself 1009 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:50.039 in front of the smoking section wherever that may be at a at the hotel. 1010 01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:55.000 Okay, gotcha? Well, I mean I mean the smolking section is 1011 01:22:55.920 --> 01:23:00.600 outside the hotel is a pretty happening spot, as we all know based on 1012 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:05.279 last year. And you know, obviously getting to meet you and B Pete 1013 01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:10.560 and and and I Doug for the first time as well, and h and 1014 01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:17.079 Mike Swompson and uh Larry Hancock and uh, you know, it was surreal 1015 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:24.279 the whole sixtieth I had an amazing time. I just want to call and 1016 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:31.760 say that, Yeah, I really appreciated and had a good time meeting you 1017 01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:38.840 and B Pete and looked forward to uh, you know, collabing in the 1018 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:45.359 future, and I will definitely be at Lancer this this coming year has some 1019 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:51.720 good follow ups on some of our presentations, and I think we got some 1020 01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:56.199 good stuff going on. So yeah, me too. Look, I, 1021 01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.239 like I said, I only know the dates so far, you know, 1022 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:05.279 and I'm part of the people that are in contact with each other about what's 1023 01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:11.039 going on, and we're we're working on it and it's gonna it's gonna come. 1024 01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:15.680 Apparently I'm going to return to do that again. Yes, Uh so 1025 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:23.079 you are tremendous MC if I just say so myself. Yeah, I didn't 1026 01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.800 feel too good about the job. I was doing there because I was doing 1027 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:29.560 about five other jobs. Well that was happening, and uh, I had 1028 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:30.600 a lot to do, Joe. It was. It was a lot going 1029 01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:38.039 on actually, so you know.

But but we're we're gonna have it planned 1030 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.560 out a little differently this time, so I think I'll have less to do, 1031 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:45.840 so I'll be able to focus more on, you know, presentation for 1032 01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:50.640 everybody. And it was fun The smoking section was funny because five years wait, 1033 01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:54.800 six years earlier, when I was there, Uh, when I would 1034 01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:00.199 go out to smoke, I was pretty much by myself. Occasionally car Mine 1035 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.239 would come out just to keep me company because I would go out there by 1036 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:10.520 myself and I was the only one out there. But yeah, uh, 1037 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:15.199 but the funny thing was, uh, this past year, people that didn't 1038 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:20.800 even smoke ended up at the smoking section and it was like it was a 1039 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:25.159 strange. It was I felt like, you know, actually I was never 1040 01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:28.039 alone at the smoking sect. The only time I was alone in the smoking 1041 01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:32.279 section is when I did Coast to Coast am and I was up until like, 1042 01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:35.720 I don't know, four in the morning. So after that I needed 1043 01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:40.159 to run outside to go have a cigarette. And I go outside and I 1044 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:42.560 was like, huh, you know what's weird about this? Nobody else out 1045 01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:46.640 here? Uh? And that was the only time is at four am. 1046 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:51.439 Well, if that was Friday night, if you would have waited an extra 1047 01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:58.000 hour, you would have with this meet at five thirty am, go down 1048 01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:08.520 to the the hotel lobby and asked them to print me out thirty pages of 1049 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:15.600 five different documents. Because of the I wanted, you know, the audience 1050 01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:20.680 to really digest some of the things we had found. And oh yeah, 1051 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:25.600 those were your handouts. How did that work? How did that work out 1052 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:27.520 for you with the handouts? By the way, how do you feel that 1053 01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:31.920 went with you handing out the little packets to everybody? Okay, okay. 1054 01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:38.560 So it was there on Friday, and I was presenting on Saturday, or 1055 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:45.119 it was Virtual's pre recorded and Rob Bark and I and but I noticed, 1056 01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:54.800 being towards the back center of the room that some of the documents, especially 1057 01:26:54.920 --> 01:27:01.000 for people that are maybe older and couldn't see, might not be able to 1058 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:06.439 completely digest. So what I did was, at like five thirty or six 1059 01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:14.840 am,

email the front desk with five different very important documents that were crucial 1060 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:17.239 to our presentation. And I said, I need thirty copies of each, 1061 01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:20.960 so one hundred and fifty pages, and they didn't charge me a cent, 1062 01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:27.520 So shout out to the Lorenzo for that, and they you know, paper 1063 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:33.319 clipped it. And then of course the great Alex Harris. Maybe you helped 1064 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:42.479 hand him out as we were going through the different Martins and our presentation because 1065 01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.760 we didn't want people jumping ahead. But yeah, no, it was kind 1066 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:51.800 of like like a audible type of thing, you know, like I realized 1067 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:59.720 that our our presentation would be more effective. And some of the people had 1068 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.800 actual print outs in the documents in front of them, and that's why I 1069 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:08.079 put them on at least thirty tables. Right. Well, look, I'm 1070 01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:12.079 going to bring a pile of press photos with me to answer this year, 1071 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:15.600 which I might just offer for sale at my table if people want to buy 1072 01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:16.600 them off me, because I have a bunch of them that I don't need, 1073 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:23.479 uh And one of them you might be interested in that that wire photo 1074 01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:29.439 of what was it one of the Martins there that I just came across in 1075 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:33.920 my in my election. Yeah, yeah, so I'll bring it, but 1076 01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:38.840 I'll did you get my reply to that? Yeah? I did, But 1077 01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:41.680 I'm just letting you know that I'll probably just bring that along and if you 1078 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:45.479 remind me around then i'll just I'll just give that one to you if you 1079 01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:51.399 want. But yeah, they're very low pictures of him. Yeah, we 1080 01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:58.640 we were months into our Martin journey before we sawn a picture. Well, 1081 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.000 you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised some of the strange, sort of tangential 1082 01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:08.800 figures I have in photographs from the wire, photos from different events ranging from 1083 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:13.319 you know, the Garrison trial and the JFK movie all the way to you 1084 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:18.560 know, the days immediately after the assassination UPI and Associated Press together. I 1085 01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.680 got a bunch of them. So and I actually have some other ones that 1086 01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:26.479 were in newspaper archives and stuff like that that you know, had been disseminated 1087 01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.199 afterwards. And I'm going to bring a pile of that stuff with me to

1088 01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:32.439 Lancer this year. Anyways, Joe, great to hear from you obviously again. 1089 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:38.960 Yeah, and you guys are still doing the Lone Gunman live on YouTube? 1090 01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:43.319 What every so often? How often is that? So we do it 1091 01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:47.520 once a week right now? We're doing it on Friday night at our episode 1092 01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:57.880 actually just dropped at seven pm this evening. It was with an author who 1093 01:29:58.119 --> 01:30:03.000 had wrote a book about Jack me last year, Jefferson Morley recently is uh 1094 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:13.399 interviewed him and it's a fascinating conversation. I definitely, Uh, I would 1095 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:17.800 suggest that everyone check it out. And uh yeah, no, it's you 1096 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:25.279 know, like it's one of those things like even if you don't uh agree 1097 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:31.239 with the author's particular conclusion, there are there's context to be gained, right, 1098 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:36.560 No, definitely, there's there's information. Well, yeah, like Jack 1099 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:44.039 Ruby's early life. I had no idea that Ruby is of a fifth of 1100 01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:47.119 eight children, you know, his best friend what was a wool frame and 1101 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:55.199 sponsor and fame and then uh uh a famous war hero in the Pacific and 1102 01:30:55.600 --> 01:31:00.840 World War Two and uh, it it's deep, you know, but it's 1103 01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:09.359 it. It gives you context. Well you know, yeah, please do 1104 01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:12.800 and check it out The Loan Gunman on YouTube. And while you're on YouTube, 1105 01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:15.560 Joe, why don't you go check out I was on Blaze TV this 1106 01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:20.039 past Friday on uh on what was it the Pat Gray Show on Glenn Beck's 1107 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:25.600 TV network, and uh they had me on as the JFK experts. So 1108 01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:30.800 I I think it's an interesting piece of video because I'm not often on TV, 1109 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:35.239 so you might want to take a look at that. Sure, will 1110 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:39.159 I'll take I'll take. Yeah, I'll get you a link. I'll email 1111 01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:42.640 it to you when I'm done with my show tonight. Anyways, good to 1112 01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:45.600 hear from now, and I'll tell you something online that you'll get a kickout. 1113 01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:50.119 Excellent. Joe Burrell, Joe Scooter Brelli, everybody, Uh you know 1114 01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:53.920 the guy, the guy who uh you know, uh, he fought the 1115 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:58.520 scooter and the scooter one Atlanta this past year, but he claims he will 1116 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:02.399 redeem himself in twenty four at the Lancer conference. So meanwhile, we got 1117 01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:05.800 another caller and

I want to get to them, and then we'll probably take 1118 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:10.600 another quick break and that'll be the last one. We'll run it out until 1119 01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.800 ten pm when Aaron Franz gets started, and we'll get back around to everybody 1120 01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.319 who remained on the line as well. You're live on the air. What's 1121 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:21.800 on your mind? Who are you? Hey, Chuck? This is Danny. 1122 01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:27.800 Oh, Danny, Yeah, Hey, how you doing? How you 1123 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:30.800 doing? Perspective? You were talking, I'm doing great. You were talking 1124 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:40.039 about how the distrust of the government with the JFK assassination. That used to 1125 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:43.359 be you're corrected. I know out here in California it was always on the 1126 01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:48.279 left. I remember being in junior high and high school. Local college newspapers 1127 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:53.760 used to always see these advertisements in the back there, like the personal Lands 1128 01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:58.720 said the CIA killed JFK. And then we had may Brussell you catch her 1129 01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:05.079 basically on like left Wade college radio stations. But there was a shift starting 1130 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:09.520 in the eighties with Twronald Reagan that you know, hig, I'm from the 1131 01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:13.399 government, don't trust the government. Then when the movie came out, there 1132 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:18.359 was there was a shift where the right started questioning the whole assassination. That's 1133 01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:24.359 just my observation. Yeah, does that make sense. Yeah, but but 1134 01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:28.439 to me it's based on not necessarily the left and the right per se, 1135 01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:32.239 but it's more about whichever, you know, side of the equation was more 1136 01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:35.640 into questioning the government. And it seems like to me, the left, 1137 01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:42.000 the mainstream left anyway, you know, goes to the government as a primary 1138 01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:46.159 source of trust, so they're not asking the question anymore, you know, 1139 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:50.159 about what did the government have something to do with this? Whereas your right 1140 01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:56.319 wingers, your more mainstream right wingers for sure, are way distrustful of government 1141 01:33:56.399 --> 01:34:00.399 agencies and all that stuff, and that you know, swims per dubtails nicely 1142 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:04.680 with guess what, you know, the government lied to us about Kennedy's assassination. 1143 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:08.840 So it makes sense to me that they're all picking up on it now, 1144 01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:12.439 you know, if that is their current stance, that's the way it's 1145 01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.560 going to go.

And when I was a kid, it was the left 1146 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.520 that was questioning the government. It seemed like all the time, you know, 1147 01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:24.039 are they doing the right things? The ACLU was actually doing its job 1148 01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:29.159 right, looking out for whoever's civil liberties were being violated, even if they 1149 01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:32.680 didn't agree with them, which is now currently not part of their charter from 1150 01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:38.199 what I understand, you know, but that was a different orientation at that 1151 01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:42.600 time. It seemed like the adherents to the government, Trust the government, 1152 01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:47.359 trust the government were the Reagan babies, were the Reagan adults who were all 1153 01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:53.239 on board with we're so glad the Gippers in the White House. So they 1154 01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:58.479 didn't want to question the Kennedy assassination because why is the government covering things up? 1155 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.600 We don't want to ask that question. Must be the government had it 1156 01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:05.720 right, trust him Oswald did it, but that shifted and I think you're 1157 01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:10.880 right, it's right around the JFK movie, because well, Oliver Stone's a 1158 01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:14.119 left wing nut job. We got to oppose him. I don't know, 1159 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:17.880 that's my best guess, you know. So that's the way I what I 1160 01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:23.840 witnessed was the because I remember, finally they you know, we just had 1161 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:30.560 the anniversary of Martin Luther King being assassinated, correct, and that I remember 1162 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:35.680 in that June Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated, and you know, I 1163 01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:42.159 have memories of that, and at that time, they represented the anti war 1164 01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:48.199 more left perspective, and like you said, as as time grew, there 1165 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:53.760 was a shift as the conservatives kind of had the attitude that in the conservative 1166 01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:58.560 small community I grew up in the family was you need to be patriotic and 1167 01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:01.920 believe in the government. There was not a lot of questioning these institutions, 1168 01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:08.840 where the left was questioning the institutions because of they were anti war civil rights. 1169 01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:12.000 I mean, there was just this paradigm of being opposed to each other. 1170 01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:15.840 And there has been a shift because I remember it was back kind of 1171 01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:20.239 like lou George H. Bush and Clinton. It started I call it the 1172 01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:28.560 black helicopter crowd. They started prevailing those you know in talk radio was being 1173 01:36:28.640

--> 01:36:32.560 born too, so they started having the voice If that makes sense, No, 1174 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:36.479 that makes perfect sense. And you know you're saying the black helicopter crowd. 1175 01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:42.279 It's funny. That makes me think of a cartoon. And I'm trying 1176 01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:45.359 to think of what year it was, but there was. It was King 1177 01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:48.319 of the Hill. It was a popular cartoon on Fox, and they had 1178 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:54.560 a character on there named Dale Gribble and I'm gonna have to find that clip 1179 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.960 because one of the first shows they ran on there. I remember watching this 1180 01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:03.000 on broadcast TV and he was the conspiracy theorist on the show. And as 1181 01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.439 a matter of fact, he has a whole meltdown actually when he starts to 1182 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:12.119 think that he questioned the Warren Commission incorrectly, and he's like, wait a 1183 01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:14.359 minute, it's supposed to be from the south side of the Knole, not 1184 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:16.520 the north side of the Knowle. And he starts freaking out for you know, 1185 01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:21.279 thirty minutes because he had something wrong, and then he goes and becomes 1186 01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:27.439 this It's funny because he becomes a full on trust the government patriot after he 1187 01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:31.399 realizes that he was we had the wrong direction north or south of the knowole 1188 01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:36.760 somehow, and yah, yeah it was hilarious. But one of the first 1189 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:40.800 episodes they ever aired, I'm gonna see if I can find the clip he 1190 01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:44.079 goes. He goes, well, you know, he says something crazy about, 1191 01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:45.279 you know, the government's gonna come and get you. They're gonna stick 1192 01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:48.800 you into CIA black side or whatever. And Hank Hill, who's a true 1193 01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:53.600 believer American, goes, where did you get that crazy nonsense? And he 1194 01:37:53.680 --> 01:38:00.319 goes, I went to ww dot black dot, helicopter dot com. Yeah, 1195 01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:02.439 you know, and it was longer than that, was like ww dot 1196 01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:08.960 black dot slash government dot slash helicopter, you know, like this huge long 1197 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:13.840 back then you had to know the addresses to find stuff on the Internet. 1198 01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:16.199 It's just it was hilarious that that's where he got it from. And then 1199 01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:20.640 the guys that are all standing around that we're going to question him just decide 1200 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:25.720 forget it. He's getting it off the internet. Forget it. And it's 1201 01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:30.399 just really funny if you put that in context with

like today's culture, Uh, 1202 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:35.239 that's hilarious. So anyway, get a Dale. I don't remember that 1203 01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:40.680 episode that I remember one that he was really concerned his father came out. 1204 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:44.520 Dale's father came out as gay, but that wasn't the issue he was worried 1205 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:46.680 about. He was gone government, well, he had gone. He was 1206 01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.840 worried about two things. One, at first he thought that he was trying 1207 01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:54.840 to hook up with his wife and didn't realize that his father was gay, 1208 01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:58.960 even though it was wholly obvious. And then he finds out. He goes, 1209 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:00.039 you're rejecting me because I'm gay, And he goes, no, it's 1210 01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:05.960 because you believe in the government, and he freaks out. And the whole 1211 01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:12.560 time it did seem like he is so actively ignoring the fact that his father 1212 01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:15.960 is gay that it must be that's why he's rejecting him, right, But 1213 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:19.159 no, that's not it. It's because he's willing to I don't know, 1214 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:26.880 file his taxes or something something really like small, you know, and he's 1215 01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:30.439 like, no, but you believe in the government. Uh he freaks out. 1216 01:39:31.239 --> 01:39:36.640 Yeah. So anyway, No, that is true. But all this 1217 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:40.520 stuff, though, is funny because again, if you look at the comedy 1218 01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:45.359 side of it and the way that they demonstrated you know how you know, 1219 01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:49.600 how things shifted over time, right, and you go from the left to 1220 01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:54.920 the right regarding a question like the Kennedy assassination, and people are starting to 1221 01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:58.199 notice, why is it that Fox News people, why is it that all 1222 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:02.039 these right wing people are are very suddenly taking it very seriously when a couple 1223 01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:08.279 of years ago, even they would not have entertained a JFK assassination researcher, 1224 01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:12.800 They would not have taken it seriously or looked at it or questioned it or 1225 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:16.079 anything except they told us that, you know, Trump was gonna dump all 1226 01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:20.039 the documents. Outside of that, Over the past ten years, these people 1227 01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:25.960 said nothing, and they're in the business and now they have to do segments 1228 01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:29.359 on this, they have to address it. You know, it's it's weird. 1229 01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:31.800 I might have that clip. Hang on a second, I might actually 1230 01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:35.199 have that clip here. Let's see if I got it, because let's see, 1231 01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:38.439 it looks like it's about a one minute clip. Let's see if it 1232 01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:43.720 is. Hometown knows it sounds like your hoard going off. You really think, 1233 01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:47.119 so, well, oh yeah, damn it, Hank. You know, 1234 01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:51.840 I can't have loud sudden noises while I'm meditating. I was a nose 1235 01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:59.600 hair away from attaining inner fees. Yeah, don't even try to take credit 1236 01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:03.000 for that. It was not done by me. It was done through me. 1237 01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:11.920 What is that shinging noise? One of those stealth helicopters with computerized noise 1238 01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:16.680 cancelation capability. They're still working the chains out. Wow. Do you know 1239 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:23.239 about stealth help coups? Oh dot conspiracy dot black dot helicopters. Yeah, 1240 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:25.600 man, I'll tell you what that dang on internet, mane you just going 1241 01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:28.640 on there and point and click getting in there talking about ww dot W call 1242 01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:30.840 me you got the naked chicks on there? Man? You go click clicklick, 1243 01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.840 click, click, click lick. It's real lazy man. There you 1244 01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:39.520 go. That's the clip I was thinking of. Tell me that's not great 1245 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:42.840 now you've brought that memory up. I do remember that. But so that 1246 01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.239 was great and I love it because, you know, boom Hower just responded 1247 01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:50.920 to me you could naked chicks on there. Man. I was watching that 1248 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:57.239 when it ran on the air the first time, and I just fell over 1249 01:41:57.399 --> 01:42:00.000 laughing watching like I thought that was the most hilariousest thing I'd ever seen on 1250 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.439 TV. H hilarious. Yes, it reminds me of a story. I'm 1251 01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:09.760 going to take a little sideboard at that time. My son, my kids, 1252 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:13.079 I got them far more computer savvy than I am. And he's in 1253 01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:16.359 tech now. But I got a computer, and my wife got really concerned. 1254 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:18.880 She goes, you need to go talk to your son. He was 1255 01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:23.479 kind of pre teen about you know, what he might be looking on the 1256 01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:28.239 computer on the computer or what he was looking at. So I can front 1257 01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.479 of him. I hey, I asked him, Hey, are you checking 1258 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.800 out girls or something or porn? Because I'm not that savvy with it, 1259 01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:36.039 I go on the computer, and you know, he looked at me. 1260 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:40.119 He's rolls, goes, Dad, it's a rip off.

And I go, 1261 01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:42.399 that's an odd answer. I go, why do you say that, 1262 01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:48.359 goes? I don't have a credit card. Oh yeah, I went and 1263 01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:50.640 told my wife. I go, I go. I told mom, I 1264 01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:58.239 go, hey, don't worry about it. He's fine, tell me the 1265 01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:00.439 trip. He goes, if I had a credit card, yeah, be 1266 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.680 on there see And there's the funny that tells me what time period it was. 1267 01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:09.279 Because nowadays the porno's pretty you know, you can get plenty of porno 1268 01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:14.439 for free, what I'm told apparently, but back then that was true if 1269 01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:16.720 you wanted to see a naked woman and take twenty minutes to download a picture 1270 01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:23.039 of it. Yeah, they they wanted a credit card from you. You 1271 01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:26.439 know. There there was a south Park episode that that you know, again, 1272 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:30.479 I love cartoons. There was a south Park episode that that totally encapsulated 1273 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:34.920 this where the Internet dries up. So everybody tries to migrate toward California to 1274 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:41.560 get the internet. And they're they're in like this refugee camp for people and 1275 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:45.239 uh, and they go, look, we got a simulator for your online 1276 01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:49.720 porno. And the guy goes in and they're drawing pictures of stuff that he's 1277 01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:55.119 saying, and he says the word click and it's a weird scene. And 1278 01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:57.479 he comes out of the tent and he goes, well, that was just 1279 01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:00.399 a terrible ripoff. And they go, well, give me your credit card. 1280 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:02.560 We got to charge you fifty bucks. And he goes, well, 1281 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:08.119 at least that's like the Internet, because that's what it was. It was 1282 01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:10.720 like they would charge you fifty bucks on a credit card. So he had 1283 01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:14.119 access to a porno site at one point and that was the way it went. 1284 01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:19.079 But that that business model has changed over the years. And yeah, 1285 01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:24.399 my son educated me and your son told you that that's the way it was, 1286 01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:26.479 like, you know what, man, I can go to these websites 1287 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.279 and they tell I can see hot girls and everything else, but I don't 1288 01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.399 have a credit card, so I can't do nothing about it, which is 1289 01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:38.439 exactly that's It's not like I didn't try. It's such a positive though, 1290 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:42.000 because two reasons why it's a positive, I bet you one that you didn't 1291 01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:45.119 think of though. One of them is great because he's honest with you, 1292 01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:47.720 and you pointed that one out. But here's the other one. He didn't 1293 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.319 get to the point where he decided to steal your credit card and make that 1294 01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:57.279 work for him, now, did he. So he had a line there 1295 01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:00.960 that he drew regarding the porno, and he didn't deal your credit card. 1296 01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:06.119 So there you go. There you go. So he was honest and not 1297 01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:13.000 a thief. So you have two positives there, Danny. Yeah, thank 1298 01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:16.840 you anyway, You're welcome. And by the way, thank you because you 1299 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.880 I'm not going to say what or anything else, but you made a contribution 1300 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:25.199 this week and I really appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome, you know, 1301 01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:29.159 and and that is always helpful keeps us going here, helps me pay 1302 01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:31.359 the bills for the phones and everything else, which, by the way, 1303 01:45:31.439 --> 01:45:35.319 I got the big Internet bill coming up this month and about about a week, 1304 01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:39.199 I guess, uh no, ten days, ten days, I got 1305 01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:43.039 to pay the big bill. So you know, contributions right now are helpful 1306 01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:45.840 and gathering them up to take care of it, to make sure that we 1307 01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:49.399 keep getting the podcasts out and everything else. So I appreciate it, well, 1308 01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:53.880 I appreciate the what you do. Thank you, Thank you, Danny. 1309 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.840 Anyways, Danny, I'm sure I would love to hear from you on 1310 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.319 another Friday night, but believe it or not, we're down to, like 1311 01:45:59.359 --> 01:46:01.960 say, the last eleven twelve minutes, and I know I got Jimmy James 1312 01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:04.800 I've been meaning to get back to and he's been on hold this whole time. 1313 01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:09.199 So I'm not gonna take another commercial break. I'm gonna go to Jimmy 1314 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:13.439 and maybe he'll help me close out the show here because I don't see any 1315 01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:15.520 of you other guys calling in three pine nine, five, two seven, 1316 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:19.119 five zero one six if you want to join, but otherwise, this show 1317 01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:24.039 is over at ten pm Eastern, which is now about eleven minutes away, 1318 01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:29.319 and Aaron Franz begins with the Age of Transitions, So that's gonna be that 1319 01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:31.000 for the week. And uh, I guess that means I got to turn 1320 01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:35.079 to Jimmy James come back around to him because

he's the only one that hung 1321 01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:41.560 out. So Jimmy, there you are. We got the honest and dishonest 1322 01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:45.039 answer about internet porno from Danny's kid from years ago. We got a clip 1323 01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:48.760 of King of the Hill, which I thought was hilarious, especially at the 1324 01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:51.119 time it ran on TV. I thought it was one of the funniest things 1325 01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:56.159 I ever heard. Any thoughts you want to throw in here? In the 1326 01:46:56.239 --> 01:47:02.279 last ten minutes of the show, Jimmy, that link I posted was from 1327 01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:10.800 MPR and it is Gerald Posner. I'd listened to the podcast version, but 1328 01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:16.520 apparently he's even got a book about it called God's Bankers, Really, and 1329 01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:24.640 it's actually very good about the Vatican scandal. And Danny, he sounds like 1330 01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:28.159 he was a Brussels sprout, and as you know, I was too, 1331 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:35.840 and I love May But you got to move on beyond the research from the 1332 01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:41.039 seventies. Correct. Oh, absolutely, Look, I got those cassettes when 1333 01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:45.520 I was a kid, and I wasn't on the mail somebody else was on 1334 01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:47.840 the mailing list. I didn't sign up for May's mailing list, but I 1335 01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:51.760 got those cassettes and these little letters that she used to send in with them, 1336 01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:57.039 which apparently she was packaging by hand after she did her radio show in 1337 01:47:57.119 --> 01:48:00.640 Carmel, and she would send them out. And then for a while she 1338 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:03.680 wasn't on the radio. She was just doing him at home, and she 1339 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:08.039 had all sorts of difficulties taping and everything else. And I was called, 1340 01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:13.560 uh, what was it? World watchers, right? And she was kind 1341 01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:18.079 of first podcaster. Yeah, literally physically sending out her podcast, so to 1342 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:23.399 speak. And we'll call on them. Matt Rascal, I can't believe he 1343 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:30.800 what a what a character? Doesn't he realize that under my spreaker game guys 1344 01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:40.960 of Citizen X, that I, uh kept pushing him patiently toward him and 1345 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:46.880 Doug starting the second show there that they do together the quick hits, and 1346 01:48:47.079 --> 01:48:54.640 I and I that's right, And I was the guy that kept pushing h 1347 01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.079 I keep wanting to say, Bob Clark, Rob Clark, Rob Clark, 1348 01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:05.640 big bad Bob Park there. I'm the one that kept pushing them to go 1349 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:12.119 check out the Harold Wiseber files really so I've been a long time and both 1350 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:18.600 of those characters, but what have I got you? Well, look, 1351 01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:24.760 I believe in giving credit where credits do Jimmy, So just like I recognized 1352 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:28.319 Danny for making a contribution this week, I want to recognize you for doing 1353 01:49:28.399 --> 01:49:31.520 that as well, because you guys are kicking in on what's going to be 1354 01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:36.920 the big bad bill coming up in about ten days, and that is most 1355 01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:40.920 important. And by the way, if you're a listener outside of being Jimmy 1356 01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:45.039 or Danny, okay, you can kick in just by using the donation button 1357 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:50.079 atochelli dot com, or you can make a tip on my link tree or 1358 01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:54.279 whatever. Get in touch with me if you want to do it another way, 1359 01:49:55.159 --> 01:50:00.359 send me an email. Blind JFK Researcher at gmail dot com. Be 1360 01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:02.399 more than happy to figure out a way to make your contribution work if you 1361 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:06.560 want to kick into keeping this going as is, the network only has myself, 1362 01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:12.479 Aaron and Uncle on it at the moment. That could change, although 1363 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:15.479 I don't see it changing in the very near future. A couple of people 1364 01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:20.880 presented ideas about adding shows, and I am adding a couple of replays to 1365 01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:27.159 the twenty four to seven radio network that are new, but I have not 1366 01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:32.359 added any brand new live hosts. I'm being very selective about that right now, 1367 01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:36.720 so I don't have anybody potentially that really is up for it. It 1368 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:43.600 seems like or that doesn't have a grudge against me or something. So it 1369 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:45.119 is what it is, and we're going to continue doing this. But even 1370 01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:49.600 if I was here all by myself, these costs would be about the same 1371 01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:55.159 anyway, So I appreciate you guys who do kick in have kicked in. 1372 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:58.199 And by the way, if you sign up as a regular supporter, you 1373 01:50:58.239 --> 01:51:01.439 can get on the list and get the zips once a month, which I'm 1374 01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:05.199 about ready to send out the April zip files which will be coming this week, 1375 01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:09.760 and you're gonna get ten years worth archive. Yeah, go ahead. 1376 01:51:09.800 --> 01:51:15.039 Hey, do you do me a favor and mail me last months once again? 1377 01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:19.439 Because I couldn't download him last month because the internet was all wacky. 1378 01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:27.600 Ah, so I still got downloaded last month. Well send me. I 1379 01:51:27.840 -->

01:51:30.279 have a couple of emails for you, so send me the email, like, 1380 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:32.800 send me an email from the address that you want him send to and 1381 01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:39.720 I'll get that done this weekend. I promise you all right, and I 1382 01:51:39.880 --> 01:51:45.439 want to make my grand JFK conclusion, which really ticks me off because it 1383 01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:50.560 was my exact same conclusion Plint with a little kid. I've come full circle. 1384 01:51:51.479 --> 01:51:57.920 Oh how I aggrevating. I remember watching in school I'll Film Around, 1385 01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:01.439 you know, back in the day, and it had Harold Wiseberg and is 1386 01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:06.760 actually a really good film for a school film. And I remember after watching 1387 01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:15.439 it thinking, well, the Cubans did it, and I wasn't politically sophisticated 1388 01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:20.920 enough done. I couldn't understand why there was Cubans there and Cubans in the 1389 01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:27.159 US, and I wasn't clear on which side they're on. I'm like, 1390 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:30.199 well, I don't know if there's our Cubans or their Cubans, but is 1391 01:52:30.279 --> 01:52:35.119 the Cubans. And now I find myself pretty much in the same position. 1392 01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:43.319 I mean, yeah, there were some CIA officers apparently, but I'm at 1393 01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:49.760 the same position now because of Major Newman's findings, I'm like, well, 1394 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:56.239 it's Cubans, and now I'm not so sure that it is right wing Cubans, 1395 01:52:56.319 --> 01:53:00.039 even though That's what I've been thinking for at least the last decade. 1396 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:06.479 But anyways, thanks piece everyone, Thank you, Jimmy James appreciate you, 1397 01:53:06.640 --> 01:53:10.439 And I'll tell you it's funny because I feel like I've kind of come full 1398 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:15.960 circle as well. When I started to study the details of the hit in 1399 01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:18.199 Dealey Plaza, to be honest with you, I felt like it must be 1400 01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:26.520 a military operation. And then when I started studying it, I couldn't figure 1401 01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:30.439 out how, why, whatever, And I'm not saying whose military it is, 1402 01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:34.239 but it seemed like I got dispossessed of that pretty quick and got on 1403 01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:39.720 the CIA must have had something to do with it bandwagon. Well I'm still 1404 01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:45.199 on that bandwagon where the CIA had something to do with it and certainly actively, 1405 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:50.439 happily, readily, enthusiastically participated in the cover up. But I got 1406 01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:53.920 to tell you that once again, when I take a look at some of 1407 01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:59.079 the interesting facts that have emerged, some of the things that have taken decades 1408 01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:02.920 to get at because the studies were not there and nobody applied different sciences, 1409 01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:10.760 it seems like I'm coming back around to a military style operation that maybe did 1410 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:17.560 not go according to plan. And can I lay it out with some names 1411 01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:21.600 on it? Actually I can? Am I going to do it here on 1412 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:26.319 my podcast with two minutes left on the live call in show. No, 1413 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:31.079 am I going to do it sometime? Yes? But when and where? 1414 01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:35.319 And exactly how much evidence I'm going to have to back up the conclusions I 1415 01:54:35.399 --> 01:54:41.600 have on this That may vary. And I am testing and retesting many a 1416 01:54:41.720 --> 01:54:47.319 thing and looking at the backgrounds of some things photographs included, looking at the 1417 01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:51.800 times and places where people should be and should not be, and finding out 1418 01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:58.680 certain things about that, including the fact that one of the suspects I have 1419 01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:02.960 in mind seems to probably have a gun only you know, an hour or 1420 01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:10.680 two before that odd meeting on the way to the luncheon that should have taken 1421 01:55:10.760 --> 01:55:15.960 place at the trademark right, that ended up in a rush to the hospital. 1422 01:55:17.239 --> 01:55:20.279 But are there more things to discuss? Absolutely? Is there lots of 1423 01:55:20.399 --> 01:55:25.960 politics to get to always? Are there murders and mayhems and everything else? 1424 01:55:26.359 --> 01:55:29.119 And oh, by the way, are you afraid of the eclipse? Are 1425 01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:32.279 you afraid of the Iranians? Are you ready to duck and cover because the 1426 01:55:32.439 --> 01:55:39.000 terrorists are coming? Is China gonna wipe us all out? Anyway? With 1427 01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:44.319 another bug? You know, aside from the Covidian thing that happened and whatnot? 1428 01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:45.439 You know, et cetera, et cetera. I'm not allowed to say 1429 01:55:45.479 --> 01:55:53.039 that very loud anywhere apparently, And am I a conspiracy theorist? Not really, 1430 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:56.960 because a lot of my theories now have way too much evidence to merely 1431 01:55:57.079 --> 01:56:04.359 be a theory. But your experiences could absolutely vary. So no matter who 1432 01:56:04.439 --> 01:56:06.720 you are, where you are, or when you are, I want you 1433 01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:11.680 to remember that I am merely o'celly. All of you are indeed the effect, 1434 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:15.560 and you can be even more of the effect if you make a contribution 1435 01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:18.079 at ocelly dot com. There is a donate button there. There are many 1436 01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:21.279 ways to do it. If you can't figure out a way to operate the 1437 01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:27.119 paypals and other things on the interwebs by all means, email me or have 1438 01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.880 somebody email me. Since you can't figure out the interwebs, have somebody email 1439 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:35.479 me blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com, which is also my PayPal address 1440 01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:39.640 if you want to use it, and if nothing else, I can always 1441 01:56:39.640 --> 01:56:43.000 send you a PayPal met link which has simple instructions. But if not, 1442 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:45.840 we can figure out a way to snail mail things if you can wrap it 1443 01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:51.720 very carefully and not everything is money either there's other contributions that could be made 1444 01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:57.279 and if you're interested in doing that, let me know as well. So 1445 01:56:57.840 --> 01:57:00.159 that's that. Another Friday Night in the book, says met Pete would say, 1446 01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.319 but he wasn't here this week. So no matter who you are, 1447 01:57:03.399 --> 01:57:06.880 where you are, when you are, I hope you're doing well. Upnext 1448 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:12.760 on Theocelly dot com Radio network and on all the live streams, The Age 1449 01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:17.199 of Transitions with Aaron Fronz at ten pm Eastern and then Uncle the podcast