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WEBVTT 1 00:00:17.899 --> 00:00:20.460 Welcome to Movie Film, it's episode 357. My name is 2 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.179 Zachy Hassan, I'm here with Brian Hall. Hey, how's it going, Zachy? 3 00:00:23.780 --> 00:00:30.289 What's happening? What's happening, man? You know, uh, typically we 4 00:00:30.329 --> 00:00:33.109 record our episodes... earlier in the day. 5 00:00:33.130 --> 00:00:33.710 Yeah. 6 00:00:33.909 --> 00:00:35.850 This one we're doing in the evening because this worked 7 00:00:35.890 --> 00:00:37.229 out best for us. And I got to say, I 8 00:00:37.299 --> 00:00:40.799 feel really this is like nice. I feel like I 9 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:43.500 have my feet up after a day and getting a 10 00:00:43.539 --> 00:00:45.060 kickback with you. I feel like we need like a 11 00:00:45.100 --> 00:00:48.780 fireplace roaring over there. Just like a little laid back. 12 00:00:48.820 --> 00:00:50.159 This is movie film after dark. 13 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:52.700 Movie film after dark. Although I have to admit my 14 00:00:52.780 --> 00:00:55.820 circadian rhythms are all screwed up right now. Everything is 15 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:00.299 off because I'm used to doing this a certain way 16 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.500 And I found that as time goes by, I get 17 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:07.719 set in my ways. No doubt. No doubt. 18 00:01:07.810 --> 00:01:09.209 Actually, I thought you were going to say because of 19 00:01:09.269 --> 00:01:12.549 the whole time, you know, fallback, fall ahead. 20 00:01:12.609 --> 00:01:16.129 No, I've gotten better about that. Although I'm still I mean, 21 00:01:16.170 --> 00:01:18.909 it is a cliched complaint. Like, let's just pick one. 22 00:01:19.629 --> 00:01:20.349 Right, right, right. 23 00:01:20.590 --> 00:01:24.310 You know, I would say we don't need to save daylight. 24 00:01:24.349 --> 00:01:25.920 Let's just go with standard time. 25 00:01:25.969 --> 00:01:27.609 And, you know. Yeah. 26 00:01:27.629 --> 00:01:29.269 Daylight savings. I couldn't find the, yeah. 27 00:01:29.989 --> 00:01:34.370 Um, yeah, I was actually a little disappointed because usually the, uh, 28 00:01:34.430 --> 00:01:36.909 spring forward one is the one that's a bummer, right? 29 00:01:36.930 --> 00:01:38.950 Cause you lose an hour and then fall back is 30 00:01:38.969 --> 00:01:41.069 the fun one where you gain an hour. And so 31 00:01:41.189 --> 00:01:43.670 I actually was thinking about it that night, like, Oh yay, 32 00:01:43.689 --> 00:01:46.599 I'm gonna do that thing where I wake up a 33 00:01:46.609 --> 00:01:48.469 little early and I can go back to sleep for 34 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.540 an hour. And I didn't have that happen. And I 35 00:01:50.739 --> 00:01:51.420 was disappointed. 36 00:01:53.180 --> 00:01:57.129 I felt like a complete waste. Life, uh, Life is 37 00:01:57.189 --> 00:02:04.730 unfair sometimes, Brian. Life is unfair. But last time we talked, 38 00:02:04.790 --> 00:02:08.840 you mentioned having seen your very first Timothy Dalton James 39 00:02:08.900 --> 00:02:09.409 Bond film. 40 00:02:09.659 --> 00:02:09.979 Yes. 41 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.500 Since then, you have also watched a Roger Moore James 42 00:02:14.539 --> 00:02:16.960 Bond film. Yes. I want to hear all about this. 43 00:02:17.419 --> 00:02:17.719 Oh, yeah. 44 00:02:17.860 --> 00:02:18.460 Yeah. 45 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.599 So the Regal Cinemas by my house is doing a 46 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.090 program where they show a James Bond movie every Monday. 47 00:02:26.180 --> 00:02:30.060 It's one film from one Bond actor, right? So they 48 00:02:30.099 --> 00:02:33.490 did Casino Royale, and then they did Goldeneye, and then they... 49 00:02:33.810 --> 00:02:37.090 What I saw was License to Kill, the Timothy Dalton. 50 00:02:37.650 --> 00:02:38.889 And then, yes, I. 51 00:02:38.830 --> 00:02:42.710 Watched The Spy Who Loved Me with Roger Moore. And 52 00:02:42.729 --> 00:02:47.039 I'd never seen it before. And, man, I wish they'd 53 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.159 do all the Bond movies. I would go every Monday. 54 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.180 I'm really enjoying it. And, you know, not all of 55 00:02:52.219 --> 00:02:54.340 them are as good as the others, but there's just. 56 00:02:56.229 --> 00:02:58.050 I've said this and I don't know that I've expressed 57 00:02:58.090 --> 00:02:59.610 it well enough, but I finally figured. 58 00:02:59.449 --> 00:02:59.930 Out what it is. 59 00:03:00.870 --> 00:03:05.110 I love seeing older movies on the big screen because 60 00:03:05.349 --> 00:03:08.379 often we're used to seeing these movies on TV and 61 00:03:08.419 --> 00:03:11.659 it's a little bit smaller and there's commercials or, or, 62 00:03:11.819 --> 00:03:12.479 or whatever it is. 63 00:03:13.219 --> 00:03:14.560 But when you're seeing. 64 00:03:14.419 --> 00:03:18.439 Something on the big screen, it just breathes a new 65 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.039 like vitality into it or something, even though it's the 66 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.759 same film, you know, I could have queued up the 67 00:03:24.780 --> 00:03:25.789 spy who loved me at home. 68 00:03:26.389 --> 00:03:27.110 And it would have. 69 00:03:27.009 --> 00:03:32.560 Been good, but something about being in a theater, darkened room, 70 00:03:33.060 --> 00:03:35.419 surround sound, huge screen. 71 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:36.240 It just. 72 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.280 Makes it come back to life in a unique way 73 00:03:41.300 --> 00:03:42.340 that it just can't at home. 74 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:43.080 Yeah. 75 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:43.580 You know? 76 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:45.259 And so it's just been really special to be able 77 00:03:45.300 --> 00:03:48.360 to see these bond films that I haven't seen this way. 78 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.240 And I'm sure I would have enjoyed them at home, 79 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.780 but I really enjoyed them on the big screen. 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spy who loved me was really fun because now. 81 00:03:58.569 --> 00:04:00.479 And, and we should say the spy who loved me 82 00:04:00.620 --> 00:04:05.580 is generally considered the best Roger Moore. I can see that. Yeah, 83 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:06.620 I can see that. Yeah. 84 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.639 Cause, um, well, what I was going to say was 85 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.409 it's funny that they're going back in time. 86 00:04:13.569 --> 00:04:13.830 Right. 87 00:04:14.349 --> 00:04:17.529 Um, so the, the Dalton one, it felt, you know, 88 00:04:17.550 --> 00:04:18.870 kind of eighties more. 89 00:04:18.750 --> 00:04:20.389 Like in its, uh, its plot. 90 00:04:20.449 --> 00:04:24.850 Cause it's about like drug, you know, kingpins and stuff, 91 00:04:24.870 --> 00:04:29.430 which was a very 80s frequent bad guy theme or something. 92 00:04:29.870 --> 00:04:35.519 Yeah, no space lasers, just cocaine dealers and the like. 93 00:04:35.860 --> 00:04:38.779 Yeah, kind of grounded in a funny way. And for 94 00:04:38.819 --> 00:04:42.920 being 30 plus years old, it still felt kind of modern. 95 00:04:45.610 --> 00:04:48.370 What really sets it in its era is that it 96 00:04:48.410 --> 00:04:52.920 has Terry from Three's Company. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, that's right. 97 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:57.790 That's right. The late Mrs. Felix Leiter. That's right. That's right. Oh, man, 98 00:04:57.810 --> 00:04:58.250 that's funny. 99 00:05:00.550 --> 00:05:03.730 But The Spy Who Loved Me, it was funny then 100 00:05:03.790 --> 00:05:05.480 going back in time a little further. 101 00:05:05.500 --> 00:05:09.360 Mm-hmm. You know, into what year is this? Seventy seven. Seventy. 102 00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:13.519 OK, it felt 70s because then the action sequences have 103 00:05:13.579 --> 00:05:16.550 kind of like funky keyboard and. 104 00:05:15.970 --> 00:05:19.290 Like right now. Exactly. 105 00:05:19.389 --> 00:05:21.350 Like wah-wah guitar pedal. 106 00:05:22.790 --> 00:05:28.360 Marvin Hamlisch did the score for that movie. That was 107 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.360 one of the ones that John Barry did not do. 108 00:05:31.259 --> 00:05:31.399 So. 109 00:05:31.990 --> 00:05:33.569 It doesn't feel as timeless. 110 00:05:33.910 --> 00:05:36.430 And at the same time, I actually was thinking as 111 00:05:36.490 --> 00:05:40.850 I was watching bond clearly, you know, with a rear 112 00:05:40.889 --> 00:05:45.370 projection background skiing down a mountain to this funky seventies keyboard, 113 00:05:45.389 --> 00:05:49.470 I thought I wouldn't change a thing. Like that's what 114 00:05:49.529 --> 00:05:52.740 I like. Like these are moments in time. 115 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:53.920 That's exactly it. 116 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:54.500 Right. 117 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.579 And so I want the seventies bond movies to feel 118 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.959 like seventies. I want the eighties, the eighties, nineties, nineties. So, um, 119 00:06:01.829 --> 00:06:02.509 that was kind of fun. 120 00:06:02.750 --> 00:06:03.529 And I did like that. 121 00:06:03.569 --> 00:06:06.470 It went back to a more fun, kitschy bad guy plot. 122 00:06:07.110 --> 00:06:07.269 Yep. 123 00:06:07.290 --> 00:06:09.389 You know, where it's like a guy and his super boat, 124 00:06:10.189 --> 00:06:15.480 you know, scrambling submarines. So they'll nuke each other's enemies, countries. 125 00:06:15.620 --> 00:06:25.040 And, um, it's kind of, it's kind of a team who, uh, um, Blofeld. Totally. Totally. Stromberg, right? 126 00:06:25.060 --> 00:06:26.319 That's the, yeah, good. 127 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:26.660 Yeah. 128 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:27.060 Good memory. 129 00:06:27.180 --> 00:06:31.310 And, and, you know, uh, he, he, sends people into 130 00:06:31.329 --> 00:06:34.170 an elevator that has a floor that drops out and 131 00:06:34.209 --> 00:06:36.040 then they drop into a tank filled with sharks. 132 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.139 Yeah. It's like, yeah. 133 00:06:38.819 --> 00:06:41.560 And, um, and then there's a big shootout at the 134 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.439 ending that, uh, reminded me of funny enough. Cause these 135 00:06:45.459 --> 00:06:48.040 are my first references, but, uh, Wayne's world or like 136 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.959 Austin powers, you know, when they're referencing James Bond movies, 137 00:06:51.980 --> 00:06:53.120 they're like, yeah, yeah. You know, it's like a bunch 138 00:06:53.170 --> 00:06:56.509 of stunt guys and warehouses hucking grenades at one another. 139 00:06:56.610 --> 00:06:58.269 Like that's literally what this ending is. Mm. 140 00:06:58.689 --> 00:06:58.810 Hmm. 141 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.560 For like, I mean, it's long too. It's like 20 142 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:06.860 minutes of dudes repelling from the ceiling, shooting each other, 143 00:07:06.899 --> 00:07:11.050 throwing grenades. And I was like, yeah, like it's fun. Um, 144 00:07:13.170 --> 00:07:15.029 so yeah, I, I had a great time with this one. 145 00:07:16.230 --> 00:07:19.850 And that one was, I think Lewis Gilbert directed that one. Yeah, 146 00:07:19.910 --> 00:07:23.029 that's right. Yeah. So he, he, he had done, uh, 147 00:07:23.490 --> 00:07:28.589 you only live twice. Okay. Um, which was the, the four, uh, 148 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.259 fifth Sean Connery one okay and that and then he 149 00:07:33.300 --> 00:07:35.720 took a little breather and then he did Spy Who 150 00:07:35.740 --> 00:07:39.399 Loved Me and he did Moonraker okay and Moonraker is 151 00:07:39.500 --> 00:07:41.589 one I have a very special affinity for because that's 152 00:07:41.610 --> 00:07:45.370 the very first Bond movie I ever saw oh okay okay. 153 00:07:45.310 --> 00:07:47.990 I actually I just finished a book recently and I 154 00:07:48.009 --> 00:07:50.089 was looking to start a new one but I didn't 155 00:07:50.110 --> 00:07:53.009 want anything like super long I just wanted something fun 156 00:07:53.550 -->

00:07:56.250 yeah and light and I was thinking actually about reading 157 00:07:56.310 --> 00:07:57.589 Moonraker Oh, there you go. 158 00:07:57.850 --> 00:08:00.129 I know they're very different. The book and the film, 159 00:08:00.300 --> 00:08:06.620 other than the title, nary the two meet. Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, 160 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.959 The Spy Who Loved Me, it came out the same 161 00:08:10.019 --> 00:08:15.120 year as this little sci-fi picture you might have heard of. Right, right. 162 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:19.870 Called Star Wars. And so the trajectory of the Bond 163 00:08:19.970 --> 00:08:25.949 series shifted because Star Wars essentially had such a big 164 00:08:25.970 --> 00:08:29.319 gravitational pull. so at the end of the spy who 165 00:08:29.339 --> 00:08:31.879 loved me it says james bond will return. 166 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:31.860 In um. 167 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.830 I think for your eyes only oh funny and then 168 00:08:36.870 --> 00:08:39.669 they they pulled a ue at the last minute and 169 00:08:39.690 --> 00:08:41.610 they're like no moonraker because it's like oh we got 170 00:08:41.629 --> 00:08:44.250 to do something space what do we have left that's 171 00:08:44.309 --> 00:08:49.389 vaguely space sounding how funny okay moonraker you know right 172 00:08:50.450 --> 00:08:54.159 And thus, I mean, what I love is that, because 173 00:08:54.179 --> 00:08:58.679 Moonraker is 79. So 79 is Moonraker, License to Kill 174 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:02.759 is 89. And these are two films that are ostensibly 175 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.309 part of the same series and the same continuity. And 176 00:09:06.389 --> 00:09:09.549 I just kind of love that. Yeah, yeah. But just 177 00:09:09.570 --> 00:09:13.850 feel vastly different. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, completely, you know? 178 00:09:14.429 --> 00:09:14.730 Yeah. 179 00:09:14.870 --> 00:09:18.269 Well, this past week was on Her Majesty's Secret Service, 180 00:09:18.429 --> 00:09:22.230 which unfortunately I missed. I had planned to go, but 181 00:09:22.250 --> 00:09:25.120 then a friend reached out to check something out, which 182 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:25.580 was great. 183 00:09:25.649 --> 00:09:28.840 I'm really glad I did it. And then next week 184 00:09:29.029 --> 00:09:32.740 is Goldfinger. Goldfinger. Are you planning? Now, you've seen that. 185 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:34.970 I have. Are you planning to revisit it? 186 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:37.159 I'm planning to go just because of what I was 187 00:09:37.220 --> 00:09:39.620 talking about. I mean, it's fun to watch at home, 188 00:09:39.700 --> 00:09:42.940 but there's just nothing like seeing it larger than life, 189 00:09:43.860 --> 00:09:46.250 you know? On the big screen. So I'm going to 190 00:09:46.289 --> 00:09:46.860 try to do that. 191 00:09:47.169 --> 00:09:53.059 Yeah. Goldfinger, very much the archetype, you know? Yeah. I 192 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:57.009 think that pretty much every Bond movie is either a 193 00:09:57.049 --> 00:09:59.110 Goldfinger or a From Russia With Love. 194 00:09:59.129 --> 00:09:59.970 Hmm. 195 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.779 So what tell me what the two how you would 196 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:07.860 uh what are the the templates for each. 197 00:10:07.779 --> 00:10:11.340 Of them russia with love is slightly more grounded it's 198 00:10:11.379 --> 00:10:16.799 slightly more of a down and dirty espionage story uh, Goldfinger, 199 00:10:16.820 --> 00:10:21.840 you got the big world beating villain and you got the, the, uh, 200 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.590 you know, kind of a cockamamie plan, you know? 201 00:10:25.570 --> 00:10:25.789 Yeah. 202 00:10:25.929 --> 00:10:30.049 And, and pretty much they, they go down one or the, the, uh, 203 00:10:30.169 --> 00:10:31.409 one or the other corridor. 204 00:10:31.950 --> 00:10:34.129 Well, I'm looking forward to watching Goldfinger cause I, I've 205 00:10:34.230 --> 00:10:36.350 seen it maybe twice in my life. 206 00:10:36.830 --> 00:10:38.710 And so I remember, you. 207 00:10:38.649 --> 00:10:42.259 Know, the, the classic parts of it, but as a whole, 208 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:44.340 it's not something that I have like fresh in my mind. 209 00:10:44.620 --> 00:10:45.000 Yeah. Yeah. 210 00:10:45.980 --> 00:10:49.500 But, you know, I swear Regal really should be like 211 00:10:49.860 --> 00:10:53.720 paying me to advertise for them because I'm going to 212 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:57.379 throw out there another thing that I saw. I saw 213 00:10:57.779 --> 00:10:58.779 the movie Wildwood. 214 00:10:59.190 --> 00:10:59.549 Oh, nice. 215 00:10:59.610 --> 00:11:01.970 OK, which is the latest from Laika. And the reason 216 00:11:02.129 --> 00:11:05.289 I went was our friend Bushra was going to check 217 00:11:05.330 --> 00:11:08.059 it out. We both knew next to nothing about it, 218 00:11:08.169 --> 00:11:11.129 except that it was getting good reviews. And we both said, hey, 219 00:11:11.700 --> 00:11:13.879 we got our Regal Unlimited. We can see all these 220 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:14.519 movies for free. 221 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:15.600 What do we have to lose? 222 00:11:16.309 --> 00:11:18.370 So this was like one of those things where it's like, 223 00:11:18.490 --> 00:11:20.470 I don't know that I would have gone out of 224 00:11:20.509 --> 00:11:21.769 my way to see this otherwise. 225 00:11:21.870 --> 00:11:23.950 But what have I got to lose? Sure. 226 00:11:24.009 --> 00:11:29.960 Let's check out Wildwood. And man, it's really good. Do 227 00:11:29.980 --> 00:11:30.919 you know much about this movie? 228 00:11:31.500 --> 00:11:35.779 I just know that it's like it's directed by Travis Knight. Yes. 229 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:40.740 So basically noted Nepo baby Travis Knight. Yes. 230 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:41.019 Yes. 231 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:43.620 Son of Nike founder, right? 232 00:11:44.019 --> 00:11:44.259 Yeah. 233 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:44.639 Phil Knight. 234

00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:45.159 Yeah. 235 00:11:45.620 --> 00:11:47.320 I had no idea. I just found that out recently. 236 00:11:47.620 --> 00:11:48.759 I just learned that this year, too. 237 00:11:49.299 --> 00:11:54.940 I mean, it just so happens Travis is extremely talented. Yes, yes, yes. However, 238 00:11:55.659 --> 00:11:57.940 definitely a Nepo baby. Sure, sure. 239 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.019 But I mean, you know, this is, I guess, what 240 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.379 we want people in those positions to be doing with 241 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:03.740 their money. 242 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:04.740 That is true. 243 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.750 Spending 10 plus years on a passion project that's like. 244 00:12:09.659 --> 00:12:13.259 A true work of art. That's kind of nice. Well, and, and, 245 00:12:13.539 --> 00:12:17.919 and that's not including masters of the universe. That's right. Yes. Oh, 246 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:20.740 I forgot. My man's had a busy year. I mean, 247 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:21.659 I guess you can, right. 248 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:25.070 You can have this thing going, which I mean, you know, 249 00:12:25.250 --> 00:12:31.429 people are probably moving hands and fingers and heads millimeter 250 00:12:31.450 --> 00:12:34.070 by millimeter for years. And he's like, okay, you guys keep, 251 00:12:34.309 --> 00:12:36.049 keep that up. I'm going to go over and make 252 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:39.690 he man. Yeah. Which by the way, I think I saw. 253 00:12:39.570 --> 00:12:41.149 An onion headline. 254 00:12:41.169 --> 00:12:43.350 I'm going to, screw this up but it was something 255 00:12:43.409 --> 00:12:46.720 like for the three seconds or whatever you look down 256 00:12:46.740 --> 00:12:48.779 at your phone to see what that text message was 257 00:12:48.820 --> 00:12:52.059 you missed like 200 hours worth of blood sweat and 258 00:12:52.100 --> 00:12:54.700 tears for a stop motion animator you know while you're 259 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.720 watching their movie and I thought about that because I 260 00:12:57.799 --> 00:12:58.860 did I do remember kind. 261 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.450 Of like oh look oh wow yeah that's. 262 00:13:02.409 --> 00:13:04.450 That light over there you're like noticing things in the 263 00:13:04.470 --> 00:13:07.769 theater and just thinking about those seconds that I was 264 00:13:07.830 --> 00:13:10.529 distracted the disrespect I showed. 265 00:13:11.590 --> 00:13:14.169 It's like it's like the galley in Ben Hur where 266 00:13:14.190 --> 00:13:19.169 people are rowing and dying as they're. Yes, that all 267 00:13:19.190 --> 00:13:21.669 happened in that split second while you while you looked 268 00:13:21.730 --> 00:13:22.210 at your watch. 269 00:13:22.309 --> 00:13:24.389 Yeah, I was just sipping my tea and, you know, 270 00:13:24.409 --> 00:13:26.929 wondering if we could get there a little faster up 271 00:13:27.070 --> 00:13:27.850 on top of the ship. 272 00:13:28.889 --> 00:13:34.870 Picture somebody just drumming as they're like moving the arms 273 00:13:34.929 --> 00:13:40.149 and the you know. Oh, man, I I I cannot imagine. 274 00:13:40.779 --> 00:13:41.440 the patients. 275 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:45.919 I mean, so this movie, this is an interesting movie 276 00:13:45.940 --> 00:13:48.480 because it is stop motion, but they have admitted that 277 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.629 they do employ CGI. Um, and I mean, you, they 278 00:13:52.929 --> 00:13:55.629 have to, because some of the things that they do 279 00:13:55.669 --> 00:13:55.929 in here. 280 00:13:56.929 --> 00:14:01.090 Um, but I would love a breakdown. I'd be very curious. 281 00:14:01.169 --> 00:14:03.710 And I, to me, that wouldn't diminish any of the 282 00:14:03.750 --> 00:14:07.679 hard work that went into this because this movie is, 283 00:14:09.269 --> 00:14:12.830 is the most epic stop motion movie I have ever seen. 284 00:14:12.929 --> 00:14:16.850 I mean, the ending is like Braveheart. Like there's people 285 00:14:16.909 --> 00:14:20.610 on battlefields literally running toward each other and colliding into 286 00:14:20.649 --> 00:14:23.850 each other and fighting with swords and bashing each other's heads. 287 00:14:23.929 --> 00:14:27.649 And it's, I don't even know how you do that. 288 00:14:29.509 --> 00:14:33.480 Move so many people piece by piece so they don't 289 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:35.820 look like they're all moving the same way. 290 00:14:36.909 --> 00:14:37.460 You know what I mean? 291 00:14:37.509 --> 00:14:41.100 Like I, it's just beyond, I have no idea. Um, 292 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:43.019 and I, and I have to imagine like backgrounds. I 293 00:14:43.059 --> 00:14:44.860 wouldn't be surprised if there was some green screen, uh, 294 00:14:45.539 --> 00:14:48.159 in the background to extend some stuff, which I mean, 295 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.220 you know, I don't mind. Like I, to me, it 296 00:14:50.259 --> 00:14:53.830 just feels like a natural progression. Um, as long as 297 00:14:53.870 --> 00:14:56.090 the bulk of it, the characters and all that stuff 298 00:14:56.129 --> 00:15:00.210 is still stop motion. That's how you make something this big. Um, 299 00:15:00.990 --> 00:15:04.850 but anyway, this is a really interesting movie. Um, the 300 00:15:04.889 --> 00:15:09.909 plot very simply put, is there's a girl and she's 301 00:15:09.970 --> 00:15:13.950 hanging out with like a neighbor friend and her brother, 302 00:15:14.750 --> 00:15:17.330 little brother, like baby brother, who she's taken out and 303 00:15:17.350 --> 00:15:21.649 supposed to be looking after gets taken away by, I'll 304 00:15:21.669 --> 00:15:26.350 actually say it correctly, a murder of crows. And so 305 00:15:27.049 --> 00:15:30.740 the crows take the baby into this area of woods 306 00:15:30.779 --> 00:15:33.820 that she's been instructed not to go into because it's dangerous. 307 00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:36.029 So of course she goes into the

woods and, And 308 00:15:36.049 --> 00:15:39.279 then she enters this sort of magical realm. And this 309 00:15:39.539 --> 00:15:41.519 takes place in Portland, Oregon, I should say. So it's, 310 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.360 you know, real world. You know, they have Powell's Bookstore 311 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.899 and all this recognizable stuff. But once she crosses a 312 00:15:47.940 --> 00:15:50.580 bridge and goes into the woods, it becomes, you know, 313 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:53.279 this fantasy land where there's like a kind of a 314 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:58.539 queen and dogs who stand upright and are soldiers and, 315 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:00.000 you know, that kind of a thing. 316 00:16:00.620 --> 00:16:01.490 Sort of Oz-like. 317 00:16:02.789 --> 00:16:06.250 And I got to admit, at first I wasn't, sure 318 00:16:06.509 --> 00:16:08.529 if i was going to enjoy it because i actually 319 00:16:08.669 --> 00:16:16.789 don't tend to spark to stories where it's like fantasy 320 00:16:17.429 --> 00:16:19.730 that just sort of repurposes a lot of what you 321 00:16:19.850 --> 00:16:22.529 already know you know i mean it's like well in 322 00:16:22.549 --> 00:16:24.610 this world there's a king but it's a cat i'm 323 00:16:24.629 --> 00:16:26.690 like okay you know what i mean like it doesn't 324 00:16:26.730 --> 00:16:29.350 feel and you know and then there's soldiers but they're 325 00:16:29.370 --> 00:16:32.029 dogs it's like well like it doesn't feel like far 326 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.799 enough for me it just feels like someone looking around 327 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.100 the room and seeing what they see and then being like, I'm, 328 00:16:37.259 --> 00:16:39.279 I'm creating a fantasy and I see a hairbrush, but 329 00:16:39.299 --> 00:16:40.700 if the hairbrush was a King, you. 330 00:16:40.620 --> 00:16:40.960 Know what I mean? 331 00:16:40.970 --> 00:16:42.889 Like, does that make sense? 332 00:16:43.230 --> 00:16:44.570 Like it absolutely does. Okay. 333 00:16:44.590 --> 00:16:47.889 So sometimes those things, I just can't, I'm like, okay, 334 00:16:47.909 --> 00:16:49.690 like I, I get it. And that's cute, but I'm 335 00:16:49.730 --> 00:16:53.700 not finding this. I'm not getting immersed in this, you know? Um, 336 00:16:54.600 --> 00:17:01.659 but the characters and the story and the drama were, uh, 337 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:05.609 really strong. And I did get eventually wrapped up into it. 338 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:09.920 And there are shocking moments in here that actually made 339 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:14.740 me gasp, like literally like, you know, which movies don't 340 00:17:14.779 --> 00:17:17.960 make me do all the time. And, and there was 341 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:20.559 moments of peril where I really was like, how are 342 00:17:20.579 --> 00:17:25.500 they going to get out of this? And I, I 343 00:17:25.579 --> 00:17:28.369 really liked this movie a lot. I thought it was 344 00:17:28.380 --> 00:17:31.490 really good. I mean, it's, it's over two hours. which 345 00:17:31.710 --> 00:17:33.930 I did at one point start to wonder like, wait 346 00:17:33.950 --> 00:17:35.529 a minute, I thought we'd wrap up about now. 347 00:17:35.569 --> 00:17:37.470 And it kept going. Yeah. 348 00:17:38.490 --> 00:17:40.789 At the end of the day, still thought it was 349 00:17:40.809 --> 00:17:42.809 really good, but I did feel the time a little 350 00:17:42.829 --> 00:17:47.500 bit toward the end. But yeah, I mean, the villain 351 00:17:48.019 --> 00:17:58.000 is really interesting. The characters are insanely expressive. It's like supernatural, 352 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:03.700 especially the boy character. he's this nervous sort of, you know, 353 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.059 I don't know. Maybe, maybe we should reconsider, you know, 354 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.900 and like the way they make his eyebrows move and 355 00:18:09.940 --> 00:18:15.069 his shoulders scrunch. And it's just astounding. 356 00:18:15.750 --> 00:18:16.529 The accomplishment. 357 00:18:16.549 --> 00:18:19.710 So, I mean, the accomplishment is just, I've never seen 358 00:18:19.730 --> 00:18:22.730 anything like it, frankly, you know, in terms of stop 359 00:18:22.769 --> 00:18:25.789 motion and this sort of thing. And for a story 360 00:18:25.809 --> 00:18:28.009 that I was a little skeptical as I was stepping 361 00:18:28.069 --> 00:18:31.529 into it, I did find myself getting, uh, swept up 362 00:18:31.589 --> 00:18:36.819 into it and, uh, yeah. Gripping my chair, feeling really sad, 363 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:41.920 feeling thrilled. Um, yeah, I recommend Wildwood, but I, I'll 364 00:18:41.940 --> 00:18:44.819 throw this out there. I think because it's stop motion, 365 00:18:44.859 --> 00:18:46.559 a lot of people will assume they can take their 366 00:18:46.579 --> 00:18:51.069 kids to this. And this is a very dark movie. 367 00:18:51.809 --> 00:18:53.690 Um, so definitely take my kids. Yes. 368 00:18:53.750 --> 00:18:54.009 Yes. 369 00:18:54.750 --> 00:18:58.509 It's, it's PG 13, um, which, you know, can mean 370 00:18:58.549 --> 00:18:59.519 a lot of things these days. 371 00:18:59.559 --> 00:18:59.690 Yeah. 372 00:19:00.750 --> 00:19:02.190 I don't want to spoil anything. 373 00:19:02.349 --> 00:19:04.230 This is at the beginning of the movie, but you, 374 00:19:04.849 --> 00:19:07.710 you see a nude boy, which is a little strange. 375 00:19:08.950 --> 00:19:11.269 It kind of makes sense as you get into the 376 00:19:11.289 --> 00:19:13.789 story a little bit, but like, and this. 377 00:19:15.410 --> 00:19:16.940 Slight spoiler, slight spoiler. 378 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:21.019 If you want to skip like 15 seconds, but this 379 00:19:21.099 --> 00:19:24.680 boy commits suicide in the opening. And it's, I was like, 380 00:19:24.700 --> 00:19:27.529 Holy crap. Like it's, and we see it. 381 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:28.240 You see it. 382 00:19:28.730 --> 00:19:30.849 And so it

was like I was not expecting that. 383 00:19:32.630 --> 00:19:35.230 So there's that. And the violence. 384 00:19:35.910 --> 00:19:38.140 Is I mean, if it was real people, it would 385 00:19:38.180 --> 00:19:43.099 be like like Braveheart, you know, so pretty intense. But, 386 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:46.470 you know, some kids are good with that. Some may 387 00:19:46.509 --> 00:19:47.710 not be just throwing that out there. 388 00:19:48.430 --> 00:19:49.009 Well, there we go. 389 00:19:49.029 --> 00:19:49.829 Yeah. 390 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:53.880 How about you? Well, I mentioned this in our last 391 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.579 bonus show, but I couldn't talk about it very much. 392 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.809 There's a new television series on Prime Video called The Greatest. Yes. 393 00:20:02.029 --> 00:20:06.509 And this is about the early years of Muhammad Ali, 394 00:20:06.769 --> 00:20:08.390 the man who would become Muhammad Ali. This is when 395 00:20:08.430 --> 00:20:14.450 he was Cassius Clay. And the series, it's an eight-episode series, 396 00:20:14.549 --> 00:20:18.329 or at least the season, chronicling the time between when 397 00:20:18.369 --> 00:20:20.750 he won his first gold medal, when he won the 398 00:20:20.769 --> 00:20:22.789 gold medal at the Olympics, and then when he won 399 00:20:22.869 --> 00:20:25.089 the heavyweight title. 400 00:20:25.609 --> 00:20:25.789 Right. 401 00:20:26.269 --> 00:20:30.970 Against Sonny Liston. And this is terrific. Like I said, 402 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:35.420 I was hamstrung by an embargo before, but I can 403 00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:40.619 talk about it now. It is awesome. It's gripping. It's compelling. 404 00:20:40.950 --> 00:20:43.410 The actor who plays Muhammad Ali, his name is Jalen Best. 405 00:20:43.490 --> 00:20:50.140 He is fantastic. He just sort of embodies Ali. Yeah, yeah. 406 00:20:50.299 --> 00:20:54.700 And it's a very compelling story about a fascinating human being. 407 00:20:56.259 --> 00:20:58.170 I didn't even think about it when you first talked 408 00:20:58.230 --> 00:21:01.029 about it, that it would be an actor trying to 409 00:21:01.109 --> 00:21:03.230 emulate someone that we know so well. 410 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:05.029 Yeah. No easy feat. 411 00:21:05.089 --> 00:21:07.549 I mean, even with Will Smith doing it, you're like, oh, yeah. 412 00:21:07.569 --> 00:21:07.829 I like it. 413 00:21:08.529 --> 00:21:13.509 It was good, but it was still Will Smith doing it. Exactly, exactly. Okay, 414 00:21:13.549 --> 00:21:16.420 so this guy nails it, huh? I thought he was fantastic. 415 00:21:17.140 --> 00:21:20.380 Not just him. Michael Ealy plays Malcolm X, who's a 416 00:21:20.420 --> 00:21:27.180 recurring character. Omari Hardwick plays Cassius Clay Sr., a very complex, 417 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:32.190 interesting character. Obviously, from the trailer, if you've seen it, 418 00:21:32.210 --> 00:21:36.839 you see the conflict between uh, between, uh, Cassius senior 419 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:38.799 and Cassius junior. And I'm like, Oh, is this like, 420 00:21:38.859 --> 00:21:42.900 are we doing, uh, Coleman Domingo redux, you know, from, 421 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.980 from Michael. And, uh, thankfully this one is a little, 422 00:21:47.019 --> 00:21:49.440 I mean, Coleman Domingo is very good in Michael, but 423 00:21:49.500 --> 00:21:55.519 he was sort of a, a mustache twirly villain, you know? Yeah, sure. Um, I, 424 00:21:55.660 --> 00:21:58.920 I like that, that they treat, uh, Cassius Clay senior 425 00:21:58.940 --> 00:22:00.869 with a little bit more complexity. And I think, I 426 00:22:00.900 --> 00:22:02.549 think part of the reason for that is that this, 427 00:22:03.170 --> 00:22:07.990 series is authorized by the Muhammad Ali estate, right? And 428 00:22:08.130 --> 00:22:10.759 so part of that means, oh, that means they're going 429 00:22:10.779 --> 00:22:15.160 to like sand off the edges, you know? But it's 430 00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:19.599 willing to show him as a full-fledged, as a complicated, 431 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:23.220 you know, human being. But what we know is that 432 00:22:23.460 --> 00:22:26.700 Muhammad Ali, for all of his complicated relationship with his father, 433 00:22:27.140 --> 00:22:29.019 he did love him, he did respect him. And so 434 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:34.619 the series does show does him and us the courtesy of, 435 00:22:34.940 --> 00:22:39.859 of treating him as, as well-rounded. And I think that 436 00:22:39.900 --> 00:22:41.660 makes the drama richer, you know? 437 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:43.079 Yeah. Yeah. 438 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:47.450 We also get, I mean, it's, it's essentially a series 439 00:22:47.549 --> 00:22:52.529 long B story about Sonny Liston. Huh? So he doesn't 440 00:22:52.569 --> 00:22:55.789 really exist in the periphery. He himself is a character 441 00:22:56.210 --> 00:22:59.170 who we follow. And so this sort of avoids the, 442 00:23:00.170 --> 00:23:02.410 the thing that you've called out once or twice where, 443 00:23:02.430 --> 00:23:04.529 you know, movies like Cinderella man, which is based on 444 00:23:04.549 --> 00:23:07.650 a true story. You have, uh, Jim Braddock, who is 445 00:23:07.710 --> 00:23:09.829 our main character played by Russell Crowe. And he's facing 446 00:23:09.869 --> 00:23:14.329 off against Max Bayer, who, who's depicted as kind of this, 447 00:23:14.509 --> 00:23:16.109 this horrific monster of a man. 448 00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:17.190 Right. Yeah. 449 00:23:17.549 --> 00:23:20.930 And, and he was in fact a real person and, and, uh, 450 00:23:21.710 --> 00:23:25.470 very much not like what's depicted. And, and I like that, that, uh, 451 00:23:25.619 --> 00:23:29.700 this series, which is about Muhammad Ali still, uh, gives 452 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.480 sunny liston enough of an arc that we feel we 453 00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:38.930 feel invested in both of them as this climactic uh 454 00:23:39.089

--> 00:23:41.430 bout comes up and even if you know the history 455 00:23:41.509 --> 00:23:44.509 you're still you're still you know sort of leaning forward 456 00:23:44.549 --> 00:23:46.049 in your seat as it's playing out. 457 00:23:46.509 --> 00:23:49.369 That sounds great i love that i appreciate that yeah 458 00:23:49.390 --> 00:23:51.150 you know so i'm not going in just wanting to 459 00:23:51.210 --> 00:23:55.430 see you know ali defeat bad guy on other side 460 00:23:55.470 --> 00:23:57.279 of ring that's right you know what i mean or 461 00:23:57.319 --> 00:23:58.619 yeah i say in quotes you know what i. 462 00:23:58.940 --> 00:24:02.519 Mean right This series is fantastic, honest to God, probably 463 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:06.400 one of the favorite things I've seen this year. And 464 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:09.130 it ends at a place where if that's the end, 465 00:24:09.289 --> 00:24:13.450 then that's fine. But the truth is, Muhammad Ali's life 466 00:24:13.769 --> 00:24:18.670 is quite a bit more expansive. And so were they 467 00:24:18.789 --> 00:24:22.019 to continue on and give us you know, a couple 468 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.900 more seasons, I would be completely on board, you know, 469 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.589 when he gave up the championship because he didn't want 470 00:24:28.630 --> 00:24:30.750 to go fight in Vietnam, when he, you know, when 471 00:24:30.789 --> 00:24:34.410 he left the nation of Islam and became, you know, 472 00:24:34.450 --> 00:24:37.849 an Orthodox Muslim. That's interesting. Like, there are so many 473 00:24:37.930 --> 00:24:40.529 stories to be told because his entire career was an 474 00:24:40.569 --> 00:24:43.890 interesting one, you know? That sounds great. I hope they 475 00:24:43.910 --> 00:24:46.359 do do that. I would be completely open to that. 476 00:24:46.430 --> 00:24:49.460 But if this is the end, it is... it is 477 00:24:49.579 --> 00:24:53.019 a perfect package of, of eight episodes. That sounds great. 478 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.640 Actually, I, I, uh, opened up my, uh, Apple TV 479 00:24:56.660 --> 00:24:59.920 tonight right before we hopped on and I saw it there. Yeah. 480 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:04.619 And, and all eight episodes, I believe are already up. Oh, great. Okay. 481 00:25:05.009 --> 00:25:07.509 So you can watch them all in, in, in one 482 00:25:07.609 --> 00:25:09.049 binged swoop. Nice. 483 00:25:09.069 --> 00:25:10.769 Well, I'm definitely going to check this out. I, I, 484 00:25:11.329 --> 00:25:12.930 I'm totally in the mood for something like this. 485 00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:15.589 Well, let me know. Let me know what you think. 486 00:25:15.829 --> 00:25:21.039 Yeah. You know, speaking of, uh, sorry, uh, Ron Howard 487 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:22.309 in Cinderella Man. 488 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.619 Because he did Cinderella Man, yeah. 489 00:25:23.980 --> 00:25:27.960 Did you see that it was announced he will be 490 00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:29.940 directing

Robo-pocalypse? 491 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:32.359 That movie is- No, that was going to be a 492 00:25:32.420 --> 00:25:34.019 Spielberg picture. Exactly. 493 00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:38.099 I want to say, I'm just guessing, but somewhere like 2008-ish, Spielberg. 494 00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:41.289 Was going to make- Has it been that long, really? 495 00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:43.660 Something like that, around there, I think. 496 00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:47.900 Spielberg was going to make a movie called Robo-pocalypse- Yeah. 497 00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:51.609 And it had Anne Hathaway in it and some other people. 498 00:25:51.769 --> 00:25:54.529 And I remember someone who worked on it was like, 499 00:25:54.569 --> 00:25:57.369 this whole movie has been storyboarded. 500 00:25:57.390 --> 00:25:58.269 It exists. 501 00:25:58.869 --> 00:26:01.599 Like I've seen it on a wall and now it's just, 502 00:26:01.990 --> 00:26:03.299 you know, not going to be made. 503 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.640 So what, what kiboshed it? I don't know. 504 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.579 But I remember thinking, you know, we were, we were 505 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.200 in Papa Spielberg territory. 506 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:14.960 Okay. 507 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.839 Around there. And I, was like, oh, that's interesting. This 508 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.369 feels like Spielberg going back. Well, maybe it was a 509 00:26:22.390 --> 00:26:24.450 little later then because we did have Minority Report not 510 00:26:24.990 --> 00:26:25.789 too long before that. 511 00:26:26.150 --> 00:26:28.630 But to me, I remember thinking, oh, that's exciting. 512 00:26:28.690 --> 00:26:33.289 He's going to make like a fun blockbuster-y robot thing. 513 00:26:33.309 --> 00:26:34.210 Okay. 514 00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:37.740 And I remember thinking, oh, I wonder what it is 515 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.940 about this that he's interested in. And I look forward 516 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:41.779 to seeing Spielberg do this kind of thing again. I 517 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.119 remember that being my feeling. And then it fell apart. 518 00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:46.430 But I just saw this week that it looks like 519 00:26:46.490 --> 00:26:50.599 Ron Howard is picking it up and will be making it. 520 00:26:51.289 --> 00:26:59.119 So the book came out in 2011. 521 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:00.099 Oh, okay. 522 00:27:00.140 --> 00:27:04.160 I'm way off. So the movie would have come out 523 00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:04.279 in 2013. 524 00:27:04.259 --> 00:27:04.339 Okay. 525 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:04.880 So I'm wondering if. 526 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.400 He was like, well, I'd rather do Lincoln or something 527 00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:14.049 like that, you know? Yeah, yeah, right? 528 00:27:14.289 --> 00:27:16.549 Yeah, because he was kind of in that era. 529 00:27:17.150 --> 00:27:24.269 Yeah. So I'm just looking at the Wikipedia page, so 530 00:27:24.309 --> 00:27:28.289 take that with a grain. But yeah,

Chris Hemsworth, Anne Hathaway, 531 00:27:29.410 --> 00:27:31.759 Ben Whishaw were in the cast. We're talking 2012 here. 532 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:42.190 And by 2018... Well, this is funny. It says Michael 533 00:27:42.289 --> 00:27:46.089 Bay had taken it on. Interesting. Which, like, Michael Bay? 534 00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:50.049 That's when he was already making Transformers movies. Yeah, right, right. 535 00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:54.930 What are you? Anyway. And then, yeah, it says here, 536 00:27:55.430 --> 00:27:58.450 announced that Ron Howard and Akiva Goldsman acquired the rights. 537 00:27:58.589 --> 00:28:03.730 So it's going to be a television series. Oh, okay. 538 00:28:03.769 --> 00:28:08.349 Howard will executive produce and direct the pilot. Okay. There 539 00:28:08.369 --> 00:28:08.559 we go. 540 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:10.140 Yeah. 541 00:28:10.299 --> 00:28:13.039 Interesting. It's a novel. Have you, have you read the novel? 542 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:13.720 No. 543 00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:19.730 Uh, the book portrays AI out of control. No. Okay. 544 00:28:19.930 --> 00:28:21.910 So it's about like right now. Yeah. 545 00:28:21.930 --> 00:28:22.369 Yeah. Yeah. 546 00:28:22.789 --> 00:28:23.029 Cool. 547 00:28:23.230 --> 00:28:23.490 All right. 548 00:28:24.950 --> 00:28:28.569 Cool. Cool. Um, it's fine. This is fine. 549 00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:30.089 Yeah. 550 00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:33.960 You know, whatever. I, I obviously would like to have 551 00:28:33.980 --> 00:28:35.220 seen Spielberg's take. 552 00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:46.589 But you know what? Uh, Based on Disclosure Day. I 553 00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:51.450 think Spielberg's muse has moved on in other directions. You 554 00:28:51.490 --> 00:28:57.849 know what? I think you're right. And that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 555 00:28:57.890 --> 00:29:01.250 Tell me about history, Papa Spielberg. 556 00:29:01.369 --> 00:29:11.660 Papa Spielberg. Tell me about presidents. Yeah, tell me about presidents. Hey, Brian, 557 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:32.049 we got some listener letters. The mailbag is overflowing because 558 00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:35.130 I think we've gone one at one or two shows without, 559 00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:38.829 without reading our notes and you know, it started piling up. 560 00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:39.690 Yeah. Yeah. 561 00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:43.109 Well, I, can't wait to dig in then. Well, speaking 562 00:29:43.150 --> 00:29:46.980 of digging in, we have a comment from from YouTube 563 00:29:47.059 --> 00:29:47.940 about Digger. 564 00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:48.559 Oh. 565 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.720 Remember that movie Digger? I was just going to say, yeah. 566 00:29:52.809 --> 00:29:56.829 Remember from like three weeks ago that no sign of 567 00:29:56.869 --> 00:29:59.250 that movie exists anymore? Isn't that nuts? 568 00:29:59.349 --> 00:30:02.829 I saw John Goodman say something about the reception being 569 00:30:02.869 --> 00:30:03.289 a bummer. 570

00:30:03.890 --> 00:30:06.019 Yeah. That made me sad. 571 00:30:06.230 --> 00:30:10.140 I mean, that's such a strange movie because if you 572 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.140 don't like it, you might say you don't like the 573 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.440 actors in it, even though they're doing exactly what they're 574 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:17.339 supposed to be doing. 575 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:18.839 Yeah. You know what I'm saying? 576 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:23.240 Like John Goodman in particular, he just basically like yells 577 00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:24.000 and bellows. 578 00:30:24.700 --> 00:30:26.799 Yeah, he's like, what are we doing? 579 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.640 But that's what he's supposed to be doing. That's the movie. 580 00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:34.480 But you could walk out of it not liking it, 581 00:30:34.509 --> 00:30:37.569 being like, John Goodman's no good in that. And so 582 00:30:37.589 --> 00:30:39.789 I think he's feeling that a little bit, you know, like, eh, 583 00:30:39.809 --> 00:30:42.470 it's a bummer it wasn't received the way we had hoped. 584 00:30:44.470 --> 00:30:47.299 Well, this is from Ben Matthews, who says, trying to 585 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.759 reconcile Digger and your fantastic discussion of it. Oh, thank you. 586 00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:55.059 I see the Paul Thomas Anderson influence, sure. But what 587 00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:57.529 I really got from it was Terry Gilliam vibes. 588 00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:58.170 Yeah. 589 00:30:58.210 --> 00:31:01.410 Not sure. Definitely Terry Gilliam, yeah. Not sure if you've 590 00:31:01.430 --> 00:31:05.950 ever seen his Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Boy, Digger reminded 591 00:31:05.990 --> 00:31:08.670 me of that. I have not seen. I haven't either. Yeah. 592 00:31:09.190 --> 00:31:10.799 That was like the Digger of its time. 593 00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:10.960 Yeah. 594 00:31:14.309 --> 00:31:17.009 Did it not? Oh, it was a famous mega flop. 595 00:31:17.049 --> 00:31:17.210 Yeah. 596 00:31:17.289 --> 00:31:21.470 Okay. Ben says, a group of thespians telling a story 597 00:31:21.710 --> 00:31:24.089 that spills in and out of some reality, not to 598 00:31:24.130 --> 00:31:26.849 mention the almost claustrophobic behind the curtain feel of the 599 00:31:26.890 --> 00:31:29.930 play's production. As the world of Digger beyond the board 600 00:31:29.970 --> 00:31:32.690 starts to manifest, it also reminded me of Brazil and 601 00:31:32.730 --> 00:31:37.230 to a small extent, 12 Monkeys. Digger is a polarizing 602 00:31:37.269 --> 00:31:39.650 film for sure. I agree with Brian. There are stretches 603 00:31:39.710 --> 00:31:43.069 I found hard to watch, but the swing, isn't that 604 00:31:43.089 --> 00:31:45.299 what we go to movies for? And if the small, 605 00:31:45.730 --> 00:31:48.900 albeit senior, crowd was laughing and fascinated, then it must 606 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.299 be doing something right. In the immortal words of Monty Python, 607 00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:54.779 and now for something completely different. 608 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:56.480 That's great. 609 00:31:57.089 --> 00:31:57.529 That's great. 610 00:31:57.589 --> 00:32:02.369 By the way, I think I completely co-sign the review 611 00:32:02.390 --> 00:32:06.369 or the caption that I would pull from this message, 612 00:32:06.769 --> 00:32:07.849 but the swing. 613 00:32:08.210 --> 00:32:08.430 Yep. 614 00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:13.519 You can say there's a lot of things you don't 615 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.200 like about it. And there were things that did get 616 00:32:15.259 --> 00:32:15.819 on my nerves. 617 00:32:16.579 --> 00:32:19.099 But the swing. At the end of the day, I 618 00:32:19.609 --> 00:32:25.769 can't be mad at it. The swing. I'm actually surprised 619 00:32:25.789 --> 00:32:27.609 it hasn't hit streaming already. 620 00:32:27.630 --> 00:32:30.730 I wonder if that's a Tom Cruise thing. If he 621 00:32:30.769 --> 00:32:34.390 has something in his deal where there's a solid window. 622 00:32:34.970 --> 00:32:38.940 Yeah, like a month or what have you. But I, 623 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.200 I suspect there'll be a whole round of how come 624 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.329 nobody told me how good Digger is totally on social media. 625 00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:49.829 Once it, once it does hit streaming. I, I bet 626 00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:50.190 you're right. 627 00:32:50.230 --> 00:32:50.369 Yeah. 628 00:32:50.410 --> 00:32:51.890 I think it's going to be one of those movies 629 00:32:52.450 --> 00:32:56.289 in the future where people are like, people didn't get this. Yeah. 630 00:32:56.569 --> 00:33:04.220 They didn't see Baron Von Munchausen. Um, by the way, 631 00:33:05.430 --> 00:33:09.380 did you read about the further adventures of Cliff Booth 632 00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:11.930 and how certain theaters are refusing to show it? 633 00:33:12.859 --> 00:33:15.839 Yeah, so is this because it's Netflix? 634 00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:22.710 Yes, and I, sorry, the connection is Tom Cruise possibly 635 00:33:22.750 --> 00:33:24.630 having a deal where his movies have to be shown 636 00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:25.789 for a certain window of time. 637 00:33:26.309 --> 00:33:26.650 Gotcha. 638 00:33:27.049 --> 00:33:31.910 So I think Cliff Booth is coming out on November 25th, 639 00:33:32.390 --> 00:33:36.519 which originally was going to be when Greta Gerwig's Narnia 640 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:37.119 movie came out. 641 00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:38.000 Gotcha. 642 00:33:38.299 --> 00:33:41.480 And Gerwig made a deal with Netflix, I'll make this 643 00:33:41.539 --> 00:33:43.859 Narnia movie for you, but you have to give it 644 00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:47.500 a theatrical release, and it has to also come out 645 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.240 in IMAX theaters, which is something I don't think Netflix 646 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.740 has ever done. And then that movie got pushed to 647 00:33:54.829 --> 00:33:55.390 next

year. 648 00:33:55.410 --> 00:33:56.289 Okay. 649 00:33:56.589 --> 00:34:01.529 That slot becomes open, IMAX, on November 25th, and Netflix 650 00:34:01.589 --> 00:34:04.880 is like, well, shoot, let's put Cliff Booth there. But 651 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.759 they were only going to show it for like a 652 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.659 week or two weeks or something like that. Because then 653 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:16.409 it drops exclusively on Netflix streaming somewhere around Christmas. And 654 00:34:16.429 --> 00:34:19.909 so some theaters were like, wait, so you're not going 655 00:34:19.929 --> 00:34:22.789 to give it a proper theatrical window. You're just going 656 00:34:22.809 --> 00:34:25.289 to do it as this thing and expect us to 657 00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:26.960 show it. And then you're just going to pull it 658 00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:32.179 like no dice. So it was apparently only going to 659 00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:35.440 show on IMAX screens. which isn't a lot, right? 660 00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:36.420 Right. Nationwide. 661 00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:41.400 And now, uh, I think Regal and Cine, was it 662 00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:42.019 called Cinemark? 663 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:43.000 Yes. 664 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.199 Uh, those theaters will not be showing it at all. 665 00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:47.739 At all. 666 00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:48.880 Yeah. Yeah. 667 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.550 Just because they're not happy with, uh, wow. 668 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.750 Uh, if you can even call it a window. 669 00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:55.699 It's more like, Hey, we're going to give you this 670 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.869 thing for two weeks and then we're going to pull it. And, uh, 671 00:34:57.909 --> 00:35:00.289 those theaters are like, nah, well, we're good. 672 00:35:00.469 --> 00:35:00.869 We're good. 673 00:35:01.210 --> 00:35:01.389 Yeah. 674 00:35:01.949 --> 00:35:04.349 That's a shame that, I would want to get the 675 00:35:04.369 --> 00:35:07.869 full big screen experience for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Same. 676 00:35:07.929 --> 00:35:10.389 I mean, out here we're a little lucky cause, uh, 677 00:35:10.449 --> 00:35:13.639 we have two Tarantino theaters in Los Angeles, so they're 678 00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:15.659 showing it at the Vista and they're showing it at 679 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.699 the new Beverly. Um, but yeah, they won't be showing 680 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.719 it otherwise by me as far as I'm aware. 681 00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:23.519 Um, so. 682 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.840 Netflix still hasn't quite figured out the whole theatrical thing 683 00:35:28.769 --> 00:35:31.599 or gotten theaters on, on board with them. But, uh, 684 00:35:32.420 --> 00:35:38.099 I guess then Gerwig's Narnia must have a 45-day window? 685 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:38.940 Yeah. 686 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.050 Well, she's got the juice to be able to demand that. Yeah, yeah. Although, 687 00:35:44.070 --> 00:35:47.590 you know, word is getting out that Meryl Streep is 688 00:35:47.630 --> 00:35:50.889 the voice of Aslan the Lion. Yes. And, you know, 689 00:35:51.409 --> 00:35:54.010 people are having absolutely normal reactions to that. 690 00:35:54.469 --> 00:35:56.800 Oh, I saw Liam Neeson reacting to that. 691 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.309 Did you see that? Yeah, having... uh, just a quintessential 692 00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:03.429 Liam Neeson reaction. Yeah. 693 00:36:03.449 --> 00:36:03.650 Yeah. 694 00:36:03.690 --> 00:36:05.710 I thought it was kind of charming actually. What did 695 00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:08.389 you say? Say like nobody better or something like that. Yeah, basically. 696 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:09.070 Right. 697 00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:14.400 Uh, I wish the internet would follow his lead, but, 698 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.860 but you know, people, people are people. 699 00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:17.260 Yeah. 700 00:36:17.300 --> 00:36:20.739 You know, it's funny actually. It's finally now, uh, also 701 00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:25.309 it's like confirmed that Brian Tyree Henry is playing Harvey 702 00:36:25.349 --> 00:36:28.909 Dent in, in the Batman part two. You've, saw how 703 00:36:28.929 --> 00:36:34.389 that got confirmed right oh no what what's the what 704 00:36:34.409 --> 00:36:36.530 was the well it was. 705 00:36:36.489 --> 00:36:41.760 Just halloween recently and every year heidi klum reveals some 706 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.880 sort of outlandish halloween costume right okay so this year 707 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.059 did you see what she was dressed up as no 708 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.820 i was horrifying she she's basically like a severed hand Yikes. 709 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.039 And, you know, so it's as tall as her. 710 00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:55.360 Right. 711 00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:57.320 And, you know, two of her legs are the fingers 712 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.860 and it looks kind of like thing from family. 713 00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:01.900 But a little gorier up top. 714 00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:07.900 So after that was revealed, the I don't know what 715 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.920 you call them. Makeup effects company that made the thing 716 00:37:13.139 --> 00:37:15.559 put pictures out on Instagram of how they made it. 717 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:16.199 OK. 718 00:37:16.539 --> 00:37:21.400 And in the background were face masks of Brian Tyree 719 00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:23.280 and As Two-Face. 720 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:24.619 No kidding. 721 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.059 I see. 722 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.840 I didn't. So you've seen what he looks like as Two-Face. Yeah. 723 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.500 Yeah. And they've taken the pictures down since. 724 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:31.059 How's he look? 725 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:37.219 Like you would imagine. In the neighborhood of Aaron Eckert. 726 00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:38.179 Yeah. 727 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:39.920 Well, I mean. Well, we've got the spectrum. We

got 728 00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:43.239 Tommy Lee Jones over here with his Dayglo version. And 729 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:44.340 then we got Aaron Eckert. 730 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.159 Well, I was just going to say, I mean, that's 731 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.969 the thing. It's just a face mask. So it looks 732 00:37:47.989 --> 00:37:51.110 like a plaster colored. Like we can't see the detail 733 00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:53.329 or the color. Or exactly what it's going to look like. 734 00:37:53.349 --> 00:37:55.489 But yeah, it's like a mangled half a face, you know? 735 00:37:55.650 --> 00:37:59.030 Okay, there you go. So it's in the vicinity of 736 00:37:59.050 --> 00:38:02.179 what we expect from Two-Face. Anyway, my point is this. 737 00:38:02.550 --> 00:38:06.320 You and I had this conversation where I'm like, this 738 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.699 is a true one-to-one situation because we have already had 739 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:14.900 a black Harvey Dent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And back 740 00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:17.340 in 89, nobody gave two shits about it. No, it 741 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:18.480 was awesome. It was Lando. 742 00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:18.679 Right? 743 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.599 Right if anything we were upset that we didn't see 744 00:38:21.619 --> 00:38:25.429 him as two-face yeah uh now of course people flipping 745 00:38:25.510 --> 00:38:29.590 out absolutely oblivious like they are such deep cut super 746 00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:32.349 fans of batman that they don't even realize we've already 747 00:38:32.409 --> 00:38:36.329 had a black harvey done right right i i hate 748 00:38:36.369 --> 00:38:37.469 people sometimes. 749 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:41.960 Yeah no it's a bummer i mean i just you 750 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.519 bringing up those two things where it's like you know 751 00:38:44.539 --> 00:38:46.260 by the way it's okay if you don't like a 752 00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:48.440 casting decision you know what i mean like or or 753 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.510 whatever but Yeah, when people just start going over the 754 00:38:51.570 --> 00:38:54.119 top or being performative and losing their minds and just 755 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.539 saying awful things, it's like, must we every time? 756 00:38:58.420 --> 00:39:03.519 Yeah, every time. And it's so much so that the 757 00:39:03.619 --> 00:39:07.050 very routineness of it is predictable. Yeah, you can set 758 00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:12.269 your watch to it, absolutely. Anyway, thank you, Ben, for that. 759 00:39:12.489 --> 00:39:14.829 Here's a note we got from Luke Smale. This was 760 00:39:14.929 --> 00:39:19.519 about our dual review of Street Fighter and Roblox. You 761 00:39:19.539 --> 00:39:20.219 can see everything. 762 00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:20.619 Ooh. 763 00:39:22.300 --> 00:39:24.900 Luke says, great show and awesome reviews of the new releases. 764 00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:27.449 The impression I get is you can see everything was 765 00:39:27.489 --> 00:39:32.739 missing the nuance and subtle themes of Street Fighter. That 766 00:39:32.780 --> 00:39:36.579 is true, in fact. Maybe Street Fighter was just too 767 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.280 subtle and needed to have more action, but seriously, one 768 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.480 thing I have noticed is that the perception in the 769 00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:45.289 public currently is that there are many great video game 770 00:39:45.309 --> 00:39:48.110 movies right now, whereas growing up, video game films were 771 00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:50.739 thought of as most of the time being pretty bad 772 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.820 in terms of quality. At what point do you think 773 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.989 this perception changed? Keep in mind, I've not seen the 774 00:39:57.010 --> 00:40:00.670 new Resident Evil. You have seen that, right, Brian? Yeah. Yeah, 775 00:40:00.769 --> 00:40:03.349 I have not seen it. But Minecraft and Mario Galaxy 776 00:40:03.369 --> 00:40:05.989 have been two of the lesser films, in my opinion, 777 00:40:06.010 --> 00:40:11.079 that I've seen at the cinema in the last two years. Yeah, 778 00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:14.860 those were terrible. Both of those were. I haven't seen 779 00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:17.599 Resident Evil, but the other ones, they were bad. 780 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.480 I did not see either Minecraft or Mario Galaxy. 781 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.940 And, and, and you didn't miss much. 782 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:24.400 Yeah. 783 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.519 But they certainly did well. They had the, you know, both, 784 00:40:27.619 --> 00:40:29.639 both of the Mario movies have done well. I'm assuming 785 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.400 Mario Minecraft, there's a sequel coming. 786 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:32.980 Uh huh. 787 00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:36.889 But I, I think Luke's point is, is an interesting 788 00:40:36.969 --> 00:40:40.869 one because there is more of a, of an acceptance 789 00:40:40.929 --> 00:40:45.949 of video game based movies as viable. Yeah. 790 00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:46.170 Right. 791 00:40:46.230 --> 00:40:51.230 And that's, does seem like a relatively recent phenomena. Yeah. 792 00:40:51.269 --> 00:40:53.909 And I, I think it's just culture, right? 793 00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:59.849 I mean, growing up, like we were the people that 794 00:40:59.869 --> 00:41:03.550 were playing all these games. And as we've grown up 795 00:41:03.610 --> 00:41:06.070 and now we're the people who are working at the, 796 00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:07.929 you know, we're the age of the people working at 797 00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:11.539 the movie studios where the people who are spending our 798 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.320 income to go out and watch movies and all this, like, 799 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.429 this is our stuff. Right. 800 00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:16.949 You know what I mean? 801 00:41:16.989 --> 00:41:18.829 Like, I think I was telling you when I went 802

00:41:18.869 --> 00:41:22.590 and saw something else, actually, but I was at the 803 00:41:22.630 --> 00:41:26.510 theater and I think like Enter Sandman was playing. And 804 00:41:26.530 --> 00:41:28.610 then I as I was hearing that I was looking 805 00:41:28.650 --> 00:41:31.550 at a poster of Chun-Li on the wall. Right. And 806 00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:33.849 I think I told you about that moment. I was like, dude, 807 00:41:33.949 --> 00:41:34.989 I am 13 again. 808 00:41:35.730 --> 00:41:36.179 You know what I mean? 809 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.579 Like, culturally, it's still very comfortable for me. 810 00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:41.000 You know what I mean? 811 00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:43.500 All the things I like are still out there everywhere. 812 00:41:43.829 --> 00:41:45.570 I think that's, I think that's a big part of 813 00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:48.210 what it is, right? Like this is our stuff. And 814 00:41:48.230 --> 00:41:51.269 so I think we're excited to see it. We love 815 00:41:51.309 --> 00:41:53.210 it when it's great. And even if it's not that great, 816 00:41:53.309 --> 00:41:55.300 it's still kind of cool to see a Street Fighter movie. 817 00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.159 So maybe that's why it's more seemingly widely accepted. Whereas 818 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.900 when we were kids, you put out a Super Mario 819 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.949 Brothers movie that's just kind of is what it is. 820 00:42:07.650 --> 00:42:10.329 We like it, but we're just like kids whose parents 821 00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:12.639 had to take us and they don't want to see it. 822 00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.119 And Cisco and Ebert don't want to watch it. 823 00:42:14.139 --> 00:42:17.590 And you know what I mean? Like, does that make sense? 824 00:42:17.829 --> 00:42:19.670 Like, I just feel like it's just as culture has 825 00:42:19.710 --> 00:42:22.010 moved along. Like this is the stuff that stuck with 826 00:42:22.070 --> 00:42:23.829 us that we like. And now this is the stuff 827 00:42:23.849 --> 00:42:25.789 we choose to make and choose to watch. 828 00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:28.849 It is interesting though, when it comes to street fighter, 829 00:42:28.889 --> 00:42:32.030 because just looking at the box office, I mean, it 830 00:42:32.130 --> 00:42:35.030 costs 82 million and it looks like it's made. Uh, 831 00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:38.719 about 94 million. 832 00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:38.869 Mm hmm. 833 00:42:41.349 --> 00:42:45.739 So far. So, I mean, it's not exactly a huge 834 00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:51.219 win here, you know? Yeah. Makes you wonder if they 835 00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:53.139 put a little bit more effort into it. I mean, 836 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.659 I think some of the things we pointed out as 837 00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.920 flaws could have made the difference between it being more 838 00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:02.820 well-received than not. I agree with that. 839 00:43:03.070 --> 00:43:08.530 And I also think part of its strengths... may have 840 00:43:08.610 --> 00:43:10.650 actually heard it in a way, too, where it is 841 00:43:11.110 --> 00:43:18.309 so tripled down on being goofy and Street Fighter, which 842 00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:21.070 is great for the Street Fighter fans, but I think 843 00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:24.769 other people are going to find it harder to find 844 00:43:24.789 --> 00:43:28.449 their way into that. Whereas something like Resident Evil, I 845 00:43:28.489 --> 00:43:31.820 have never played a Resident Evil game, but I think 846 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:35.800 the fans tended to like it. And if you're just 847 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.179 a fan of a creepy fun time at the movies, 848 00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:41.840 you can also enjoy it. Like it works just as 849 00:43:41.900 --> 00:43:45.659 a film kind of for everyone. And it also pleases 850 00:43:45.699 --> 00:43:48.440 the fans and also something like the last of us, right? 851 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.800 Where I think if you're a fan of the game 852 00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:55.239 or games, there's a lot that you can enjoy and 853 00:43:55.300 --> 00:43:57.500 recognize and remember and be like, Oh, that's so cool 854 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.000 to see like a cinematic version of this amazing game 855 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:01.539 that I played. 856 00:44:02.300 --> 00:44:06.610 And it also works as a great drama. Right. And well, 857 00:44:06.670 --> 00:44:09.909 and trust the drama to, to like, let us sit 858 00:44:09.929 --> 00:44:11.469 with the drama. Yeah. 859 00:44:12.030 --> 00:44:12.210 Right. 860 00:44:12.250 --> 00:44:14.309 Don't, I mean, I mean, part of the problem is 861 00:44:14.329 --> 00:44:18.690 that that movie, it was edited by a meth addicted 862 00:44:19.090 --> 00:44:22.739 can of Red Bull, you know, street fighter, a street fighter, 863 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:30.030 you know, that's at least partly what to me heard it, 864 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:31.760 you know? Yeah. 865 00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:38.579 And again, yeah, it doesn't, It's not like a... I 866 00:44:38.619 --> 00:44:40.320 think you have to be a fan of those characters 867 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:45.269 in that world and its specifics to really enjoy that movie. 868 00:44:45.309 --> 00:44:48.969 You have to enter the theater, enter the experience with 869 00:44:49.530 --> 00:44:51.769 a pre-existing affinity. I think. 870 00:44:52.050 --> 00:44:53.570 I think it would be hard for anyone who's not 871 00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:55.860 a fan. Like, oh, let's just see what this story 872 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:56.480 is all about. 873 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.599 I don't think there's going to be much for them. 874 00:44:59.019 --> 00:44:59.780 I think you're right. 875 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.909 So... I'm glad that the fans enjoyed it, but I 876 00:45:03.949 --> 00:45:06.849 can see why maybe it didn't like catch on in 877 00:45:06.869 --> 00:45:07.389 a bigger way. 878 00:45:08.369 --> 00:45:10.329

But Luke's point, I mean, look, you got, you got 879 00:45:10.369 --> 00:45:16.440 the Mario franchise. It's, it's, it's going great. Minecraft, presumably 880 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.659 there's a sequel coming for that. We have the Sonic movies. 881 00:45:18.699 --> 00:45:19.800 Those are just going and going. 882 00:45:20.179 --> 00:45:20.400 Yeah. 883 00:45:21.139 --> 00:45:24.940 So, you know, yeah, I, I think the, the form 884 00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:27.679 has matured to the point where these are sort of, 885 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.070 I mean, Sonic and Mario, I mean, these are multi-generational 886 00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:34.710 characters at this point. So it's a far cry from 887 00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:37.429 what it was in 93, you know? 888 00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:38.010 Right. 889 00:45:39.969 --> 00:45:43.760 Here's another comment. This is from Rob Kelly, and this 890 00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:46.920 is on our commentary track for The Fly, which we 891 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:47.920 just dropped a couple days ago. 892 00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:48.480 Yeah. 893 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.539 And Rob says, hey, guys, I really love this. I'm 894 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.179 a huge horror movie fan, and I know you guys 895 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.179 are not. So you choosing to do this really delighted me. 896 00:45:57.869 --> 00:46:01.429 She's All That is great and all, but I really 897 00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:05.170 could dig into this one. It continues to astonish me 898 00:46:05.230 --> 00:46:07.429 every time I watch The Fly that it's barely more 899 00:46:07.469 --> 00:46:10.690 than 90 minutes long. Cronenberg packs so much into it, 900 00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:13.119 the screenplay should be a guide for others on how 901 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.300 to do it. My wife and I just met Gina 902 00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:17.139 Davis at a convention this weekend, and she was a 903 00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:20.659 total delight. She signed our Japanese Laserdisc of The Fly, 904 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.739 and we will forever cherish it. I love hearing that. 905 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:31.639 I do. So my takeaway is more teen dramas from 906 00:46:31.699 --> 00:46:34.760 the late 90s. Actually, you know what I want to do? 907 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.539 There is a remake of She's All That, right? That 908 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:39.420 happened during COVID. 909 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:40.719 That's right. He's All That. 910 00:46:41.019 --> 00:46:43.559 I think He's All That. We should do a commentary 911 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.280 for that and call it Rob Kelly Presents He's All That. 912 00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:51.760 He's commentary. I think we. 913 00:46:53.949 --> 00:46:56.690 We found out about that, like, in real time while 914 00:46:56.730 --> 00:47:00.409 we were doing our She's All That commentary. Yeah. That's 915 00:47:00.449 --> 00:47:06.969 my recollection. Because it's the, you know, the gender-swapped Rachel 916 00:47:07.010

--> 00:47:11.449 Lee Cook in that movie is Tanner Buchanan from Cobra Kai. 917 00:47:12.650 --> 00:47:19.710 You know, that hideous uggo. That man beast, you know? 918 00:47:19.730 --> 00:47:19.849 Yeah. 919 00:47:21.710 --> 00:47:23.150 Johnny lawrence's son you. 920 00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:28.010 Know that's hilarious yeah i actually i i probably saw 921 00:47:28.050 --> 00:47:29.780 the trailer but i don't remember i mean is it 922 00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:32.699 just you know putting on glasses and muscling up his. 923 00:47:32.619 --> 00:47:36.480 Hair i'm pretty sure yeah i don't think they're i 924 00:47:36.500 --> 00:47:39.659 don't think they're rocking the boat too much yeah yeah 925 00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:42.460 you know you don't want to upset the fans of 926 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:48.739 the all that franchise right right I know Rachel Lee 927 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.989 Cook is in it in some capacity. I don't think 928 00:47:51.030 --> 00:47:53.309 it's like a, it's not a legacy sequel, you know? 929 00:47:54.090 --> 00:47:55.610 She doesn't show up and be like, there's something very 930 00:47:55.670 --> 00:48:02.530 familiar about all this. I wish she would, though. That's hilarious. No, 931 00:48:02.550 --> 00:48:05.690 but Varsity Blues, here we come, baby. Oh, actually, that 932 00:48:05.710 --> 00:48:10.210 would be a good one. I would like to do that. Yeah. 933 00:48:10.309 --> 00:48:13.650 James Van Der Beek. Man, that trailer with My Hero 934 00:48:13.690 --> 00:48:14.550 by the Foo Fighters. 935 00:48:14.590 --> 00:48:17.860 That was like, that was a moment. Allie Larder with 936 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.860 the whipped cream bikini. Oh, come on. Yeah. That was 937 00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:22.820 a generational moment. Yeah. 938 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.119 And then, of course, it makes me think of Not 939 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:26.280 Another Teen Movie, where it was Chris Evans with the 940 00:48:26.300 --> 00:48:26.710 whipped cream. 941 00:48:27.349 --> 00:48:33.530 Also a generational moment. Yeah. But thank you for that, Rob. Yeah. 942 00:48:33.610 --> 00:48:39.619 It's actually many, many pleasantly surprised reactions to us doing 943 00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:40.360 The Fly. 944 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:41.000 Yeah. 945 00:48:41.300 --> 00:48:44.789 Yeah. Which is nice. Here's the one from Mark Lachance 946 00:48:44.829 --> 00:48:46.969 who says also with regards to the fly. Thanks for this. 947 00:48:47.110 --> 00:48:48.769 Always a big fan of this movie. And I think 948 00:48:48.789 --> 00:48:51.050 it's one of the few remakes that surpasses the original. 949 00:48:51.690 --> 00:48:54.269 I also remember being really excited for the sequel in 950 00:48:54.309 --> 00:48:56.800 February of 89 and being really disappointed. 951 00:48:57.739 --> 00:48:57.960 Hmm. 952 00:48:58.539 --> 00:49:01.619 So disappointment in the sequel. Not surprising. I mentioned in 953 00:49:01.659 --> 00:49:04.179 our track that, yeah, I mean,

it's not, it's not good. 954 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:04.820 Yeah. 955 00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:07.500 That's a bummer. I, I appreciate that. It was like, 956 00:49:07.539 --> 00:49:08.860 I think I said, I was, I appreciate that. It 957 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.679 was trying to like continue the story. Yeah. as opposed 958 00:49:12.699 --> 00:49:15.880 to just redo it. But in terms of being a 959 00:49:16.460 --> 00:49:20.030 sequel that surpasses the original, that is like a very short... 960 00:49:20.059 --> 00:49:23.800 short list of movies yeah right and it to me 961 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:28.130 it's like yeah there's the fly and he's all that 962 00:49:28.889 --> 00:49:32.909 he's all that naturally right i mean right it's like 963 00:49:33.969 --> 00:49:36.429 sequel that's well it's a remake excuse me not a 964 00:49:36.449 --> 00:49:41.610 sequel oh remake uh oh um See? 965 00:49:42.670 --> 00:49:43.030 Yeah. 966 00:49:43.449 --> 00:49:46.349 I mean, off the top of my head. Well, remakes are... 967 00:49:46.929 --> 00:49:47.610 Now there's so many. 968 00:49:48.269 --> 00:49:49.809 And yeah, they tend to not be that great. But 969 00:49:49.829 --> 00:49:51.760 I'm trying to think of something where maybe it was 970 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.420 a movie from the 50s or... Well, Ocean's Eleven, I guess. 971 00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:58.760 Okay, Ocean's Eleven is a good example. I would say... Well, no, 972 00:49:58.780 --> 00:50:02.400 I don't know, actually. I was going to say The 973 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:03.179 Italian Job. 974 00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:08.449 I haven't seen the original, but I do think they 975 00:50:08.469 --> 00:50:11.840 did a good job of taking... I imagine whatever that 976 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.699 story was and bringing it into a new era. 977 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.469 I mean, that was an enjoyable romp, but I think, 978 00:50:17.570 --> 00:50:19.550 I think both of them are good. So it's hard. Like, 979 00:50:19.809 --> 00:50:24.309 like to me, I like both versions of the Manchurian candidate. Um, 980 00:50:24.809 --> 00:50:27.010 I wouldn't say the remakes or passes the original, but 981 00:50:27.090 --> 00:50:29.750 I like both of them, you know? Right. But like, 982 00:50:29.789 --> 00:50:33.679 what's it like to me, the fly works as a remake. 983 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.500 And this is sort of reiterating what we said during 984 00:50:35.539 --> 00:50:39.679 the track, but because it, it finds the human core 985 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.480 of the story. 986 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:41.440 Mm hmm. 987 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.420 And, you know, the thing that bugged me, which also 988 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.119 clearly bugged Cronenberg, is like the issue of mass. Like, 989 00:50:49.489 --> 00:50:55.030 where does the mass come to make a giant fly head? Right, right, right, right. 990 00:50:55.690 --> 00:50:58.650 And that bugged Cronenberg enough to be like, I'm just 991 00:50:58.670 --> 00:51:01.929 going to do my version of the story. Yeah, but 992 00:51:02.510 --> 00:51:04.090 it's short list. I don't know. I was gonna say 993 00:51:04.369 --> 00:51:08.610 true grit. True grit is is that is better. I agree. 994 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.079 The Jeff Bridges one is better than the John Wayne one. 995 00:51:11.300 --> 00:51:15.179 I rewatched that this year. I remember liking it when 996 00:51:15.219 --> 00:51:17.679 it came out. The Coen Brothers one. I'm sorry, the 997 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:19.199 Coen Brothers one. And I was like, yeah, yeah, that 998 00:51:19.219 --> 00:51:21.219 was really good in my memory. And then I rewatched 999 00:51:21.260 --> 00:51:22.880 it this year and was like, man, this is a 1000 00:51:23.019 --> 00:51:24.420 really good movie. 1001 00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:24.780 It is. 1002 00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:30.880 That's when Jeff Bridges fully entered his Grizzly Mountain Man phase. Yeah. 1003 00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:35.639 Was RIPD after that? It was like thereabouts. 1004 00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:37.639 It was like he didn't even, you know, he just 1005 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.239 like got in a car, left True Grit, went over 1006 00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:43.000 to that, kept the costume. Now he's like a ghost 1007 00:51:43.059 --> 00:51:43.539 or something. 1008 00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:46.059 Like, ah, round them up. You know, like doing the 1009 00:51:46.099 --> 00:51:49.460 same thing. Yeah. I mean, last year when he was 1010 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.099 in Tron, I like needed subtitles. Yeah. Yeah. 1011 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:53.500 Yeah. 1012 00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:59.599 Well, I'll see you here on Friday. So Depeche Mode. Yeah. 1013 00:52:00.019 --> 00:52:03.389 But you got to add like a man. at the 1014 00:52:03.429 --> 00:52:06.349 end of it it's kind of a cracky sort of man. 1015 00:52:06.050 --> 00:52:15.480 It's digital jazz man that's good um yeah no true 1016 00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:18.139 grit is is better i will i will i will 1017 00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:20.719 add that yeah well i mean let us know everybody listening. 1018 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.539 What are remakes you consider you know like it's a 1019 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.949 clean shot it is better than the the the original one. 1020 00:52:31.110 --> 00:52:34.449 Yeah let us know Yeah, actually, out of curiosity, I 1021 00:52:34.469 --> 00:52:35.550 did a little Google search. 1022 00:52:35.789 --> 00:52:41.800 The Thing comes up. See, The Thing is awesome, but 1023 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.030 the original is pretty good, though. I don't know if 1024 00:52:45.050 --> 00:52:48.780 I've ever seen the original. I mean, it's different, but 1025 00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:55.099 it's good. Yeah, Scarface comes up. Scarface. See, I like 1026 00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:59.519 the original Scarface. See, I don't know. Yeah, not better, 1027 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:06.650 just different. Just different. Um, it's funny cause this is 1028

00:53:06.690 --> 00:53:09.389 an assignment actually in, in my class where I have them, 1029 00:53:09.909 --> 00:53:13.010 I have them do a, I say, I say watch 1030 00:53:13.050 --> 00:53:16.250 an original and then watch the remake and do a 1031 00:53:16.289 --> 00:53:19.699 compare and contrast and tell us which one you prefer. 1032 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.010 You know, what do they tend to, what, what's a, 1033 00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:25.280 what's a popular pick and what do they tend to feel? 1034 00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:31.559 Uh, popular picks are a freaky Friday parent trap. Ah, well, 1035 00:53:31.579 --> 00:53:35.039 that's a good, those a lot. yeah um casino royale 1036 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:40.699 i've gotten that uh-huh um that one obviously the peter 1037 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.579 sellers one is far superior right to the no i'm 1038 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:50.460 just kidding it's a disaster um what are italian job 1039 00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:54.579 is one of them yeah i mean i'm like literally 1040 00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:57.119 i'm trying to think of like i just had students 1041 00:53:57.139 --> 00:54:00.219 do this like like two weeks ago so I'm going 1042 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:00.940 through an article now. 1043 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.800 Star is Born gets remade every several years. 1044 00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:05.860 That one, there's a bunch of remakes, yeah. 1045 00:54:06.019 --> 00:54:06.300 Yeah. 1046 00:54:07.539 --> 00:54:08.579 What was the other one? 1047 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:08.880 It? 1048 00:54:08.900 --> 00:54:12.239 I don't know if that quite counts. It? Well, I 1049 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.980 think it would, right? Well, no, you're right. You're right. 1050 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:15.880 It wasn't a miniseries. 1051 00:54:15.940 --> 00:54:17.159 It was a TV movie. 1052 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:24.630 That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Anywho, let us know. I'm sure 1053 00:54:24.889 --> 00:54:28.110 we're just drawing a total blank, but there is examples 1054 00:54:28.190 --> 00:54:30.889 out there. Yeah, I'd love to hear it. And if 1055 00:54:30.929 --> 00:54:33.389 you send us suggestions we disagree with, we will mock 1056 00:54:33.429 --> 00:54:39.739 you mercilessly. So know that going in. Also, with regards 1057 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.519 to our fly commentary track, this is from Abraham Guzman, 1058 00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:48.280 who says, I never really listened to your commentaries, but 1059 00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:51.079 I had to for this one. It's one of my 1060 00:54:51.139 --> 00:54:54.860 favorite films, probably my favorite horror movie, definitely my favorite 1061 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.840 body horror. I was not disappointed. I enjoyed your comments 1062 00:54:57.900 --> 00:54:59.679 and how you first saw it. For me, it was 1063 00:54:59.739 --> 00:55:05.400 on USA Network in the 90s. So I would put 1064 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:10.750 that probably in the late 90s, I'm guessing. It's fascinating

1065 00:55:10.789 --> 00:55:14.409 how many people discovered that movie on television. Yeah, that's 1066 00:55:14.449 --> 00:55:15.650 what we were talking about, right? 1067 00:55:16.570 --> 00:55:19.949 Yeah, we saw it, both you and I, on Fox 1068 00:55:19.949 --> 00:55:22.570 32 in the Chicagoland area. 1069 00:55:22.590 --> 00:55:26.429 Completely by chance. We happened probably at the exact same moment. Probably, yeah. 1070 00:55:27.630 --> 00:55:32.380 Happened to be, and little did we know, right, that 1071 00:55:32.380 --> 00:55:33.679 30 years later, here we'd be. 1072 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:36.780 We'd be talking about it with Abraham right here. 1073 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.280 That's right. I love that. And I'm glad that he 1074 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:40.800 checked it out, that he gave it a shot, and 1075 00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:41.610 that he enjoyed it. 1076 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:43.280 I hope he enjoys some of the other commentaries, too. 1077 00:55:44.139 --> 00:55:47.360 It is, you know, we talk often about the commentary tracks, 1078 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.130 how they represent different experiences for different listeners. 1079 00:55:52.389 --> 00:55:52.530 Mm-hmm. 1080 00:55:53.670 --> 00:55:55.690 Because we get plenty of letters from folks who are like, 1081 00:55:55.710 --> 00:55:57.489 I never even heard of that movie, but I just 1082 00:55:57.530 --> 00:55:58.920 played the commentary because I wanted to hear you guys 1083 00:55:58.960 --> 00:55:59.360 talk about it. 1084 00:55:59.679 --> 00:55:59.820 Mm-hmm. 1085 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.860 Which is obviously, that's incredibly kind. That's nice that people 1086 00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.079 like doing that, right? Yeah. It means a lot. It's 1087 00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:08.699 very encouraging. 1088 00:56:09.260 --> 00:56:09.460 Right. 1089 00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:12.719 But I totally get that. For a lot of folks, 1090 00:56:12.739 --> 00:56:14.079 they'll be like, well, I don't know what that movie is, 1091 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:14.980 or I don't have it in front of me. I 1092 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.489 don't remember it. I'm not going to listen to the commentary. 1093 00:56:17.550 --> 00:56:21.190 But if you know the movie well enough, then there's 1094 00:56:21.210 --> 00:56:26.239 your in, right? Mm-hmm. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. 1095 00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:28.099 And by the way, now, as long as we're talking 1096 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.079 about commentaries, actually, I saw, you know, Rob's message and 1097 00:56:31.099 --> 00:56:33.079 I was kind of curious about she's all that. And 1098 00:56:33.139 --> 00:56:37.760 it is one of our higher listen to episodes. 1099 00:56:38.179 --> 00:56:40.500 So just throwing that out there. Is that right? Yeah, 1100 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.849 it is. Or commentaries, at least. Amazing. You never know. 1101 00:56:44.130 --> 00:56:44.730 But that's the thing. 1102 00:56:45.989 --> 00:56:49.369 I think you and I, we like all sorts of stuff. 1103 00:56:49.829 --> 00:56:52.150 And we have memories associated with all sorts of stuff 1104 00:56:52.170 --> 00:56:52.590 growing up. 1105 00:56:52.690 --> 00:56:55.530 So why not cover all this stuff? And as always, 1106 00:56:55.590 --> 00:57:00.789 we take suggestions. Oh, yeah. Definitely. And now that the 1107 00:57:00.829 --> 00:57:04.980 horror floodgates are open, we're getting all the hostile and 1108 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.840 human centipede suggestions. And I just want to say, knock 1109 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.860 that shit out. We're not doing it. It's not funny. 1110 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:14.409 It is. 1111 00:57:17.130 --> 00:57:18.989 We still have to sleep at night. Cut to us 1112 00:57:19.050 --> 00:57:22.590 like six months from now. So we're watching a human centipede. 1113 00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:24.420 Three. 1114 00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:30.280 Didn't we very definitively beg off of Independence Day resurgence? Yes. 1115 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.760 You are on tape saying that we will never do that. 1116 00:57:33.780 --> 00:57:37.099 I was like, as God is my witness, I think 1117 00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:38.159 you might have. 1118 00:57:38.260 --> 00:57:40.599 Basically said that. And then, yeah, sure enough, we did 1119 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:46.090 cover that. So, so, so never say never. But human centipede, 1120 00:57:46.300 --> 00:57:48.230 about as close to never as you can get. 1121 00:57:48.389 --> 00:57:53.190 I would say, yeah, that is definitely on the never list. 1122 00:57:54.889 --> 00:57:58.309 I've never seen it. Have you? Man, I don't need 1123 00:57:58.349 --> 00:58:00.030 that shit in my head. Are you kidding me? No, 1124 00:58:00.090 --> 00:58:04.619 I haven't. I'm good. Thanks. No, I'm good too. 1125 00:58:04.780 --> 00:58:05.059 I'm good. 1126 00:58:05.699 --> 00:58:10.599 The fact that dude had that idea and did not 1127 00:58:10.659 --> 00:58:14.889 even have the shame to Of keeping it to himself. 1128 00:58:17.130 --> 00:58:22.800 You know what I mean? He spent some time. He 1129 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.340 wrote it down. He diagrammed it. 1130 00:58:25.739 --> 00:58:28.840 He knocked on doors. He got people to give him money. 1131 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:35.570 People were paid to set up lights, connect cables, edit, 1132 00:58:36.289 --> 00:58:37.150 mix sound. 1133 00:58:38.250 --> 00:58:41.429 It happened. It happened. Follow your dreams, kids. 1134 00:58:41.780 --> 00:58:46.039 If that can happen, your dreams should happen too. 1135 00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:51.679 The fact that his dream happened and yours have not 1136 00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:59.320 is an indictment of you as a person. Sort that out. 1137 00:59:02.550 --> 00:59:03.369 Reflect a little. 1138 00:59:04.289 --> 00:59:05.050 No, no, no. 1139 00:59:05.269 --> 00:59:07.010 I take it the other way. I think that means 1140 00:59:07.510 --> 00:59:09.980 don't be afraid to ask. Don't ever be afraid to ask.

1141 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:10.320 Ask. 1142 00:59:10.340 --> 00:59:12.760 Because if that person wasn't afraid to ask and it happened, 1143 00:59:13.099 --> 00:59:15.699 you have no idea what might be. 1144 00:59:15.900 --> 00:59:20.239 This guy is like, it's a movie about four people 1145 00:59:20.300 --> 00:59:22.480 who are sewn together ass to mouth. 1146 00:59:24.219 --> 00:59:28.650 Yes. Apologies to people who didn't know that four seconds ago. 1147 00:59:29.070 --> 00:59:29.389 Yes. 1148 00:59:29.909 --> 00:59:30.070 Yes. 1149 00:59:30.550 --> 00:59:33.030 You're welcome. 1150 00:59:33.090 --> 00:59:33.309 Yes. 1151 00:59:33.570 --> 00:59:35.909 No, but yes, yes, yes. And he got that movie made. 1152 00:59:35.969 --> 00:59:42.579 I think there's like two of them. Yeah. Yeah, there is. That, yeah. 1153 00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:45.920 You never know. You got to ask. You got to ask. 1154 00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:50.980 That's the lesson I'm taking from this. If the human 1155 00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:54.429 centipede guy got funding for his movie, you can too. 1156 00:59:56.829 --> 00:59:58.530 That's the positive takeaway. 1157 00:59:59.690 --> 00:59:59.869 Right. 1158 01:00:00.340 --> 01:00:01.760 I'm trying to be better, Brian. I'm trying to be 1159 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.500 more like you. See the upside. We need both. We 1160 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.659 need both. See, I view that movie's existence and the 1161 01:00:09.699 --> 01:00:17.079 whole process. I'm like, that is like summoning God's wrath. Right, right, right. 1162 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.400 You know? Yeah. You take it in a slightly different direction, 1163 01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:36.309 which I appreciate. Hey, we got some headlines, Brian. So 1164 01:00:36.670 --> 01:00:40.699 the last few weeks have been really, it's just, it's 1165 01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:44.840 been a lot in terms of like people passing away. Yeah. 1166 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:48.840 And so like, as, as the name started adding up, 1167 01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:51.789 it was almost like, we should really like, we gotta 1168 01:00:51.809 --> 01:00:54.610 get on this. It's like, it's, it's becoming too much. 1169 01:00:55.010 --> 01:00:55.230 Yeah. 1170 01:00:55.469 --> 01:00:55.670 Yeah. 1171 01:00:55.690 --> 01:00:59.929 Because these are people who are pretty significant in, in 1172 01:00:59.969 --> 01:01:00.969 the things that we loved. 1173 01:01:01.769 --> 01:01:02.050 Yeah. 1174 01:01:02.170 --> 01:01:05.369 Definitely want to take some time to remember and celebrate them. 1175 01:01:06.429 --> 01:01:14.210 So Eric Bowser passed away and he is somebody who, well, 1176 01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:16.590 first of all, he was just in theaters in the 1177 01:01:16.610 --> 01:01:19.599 last few months because he was the voice of record 1178 01:01:19.699 --> 01:01:21.000 for the Looney Tunes characters. 1179 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:21.960 Yep. 1180 01:01:22.579 --> 01:01:26.500 And so by virtue of, of a coyote versus Acme 1181 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.460 escaping from the Warner brothers vault. 1182 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:29.079 Yeah. 1183 01:01:29.619 --> 01:01:32.820 His work got to be experienced, but, He had been 1184 01:01:32.860 --> 01:01:34.860 the voice of the various Looney Tunes characters, I want 1185 01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:36.699 to say since like 2014 or thereabouts. 1186 01:01:37.460 --> 01:01:40.730 Yeah, I think he started on the Looney Tunes show. 1187 01:01:41.309 --> 01:01:43.650 Okay. That's what it's called, right? The Looney Tunes show, yeah. 1188 01:01:43.670 --> 01:01:47.949 Which is, it's like a Seinfeld-esque reimagining of the Looney 1189 01:01:47.969 --> 01:01:48.530 Tunes characters. 1190 01:01:48.610 --> 01:01:51.480 Yeah, like Bugs and Daffy are roommates in the suburbs. 1191 01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:53.199 It's very funny. 1192 01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:58.110 Really funny show. Kristen Wiig's on it. it's hysterical he 1193 01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:00.949 he wasn't playing bugs or daffy at that point just 1194 01:02:01.010 --> 01:02:04.539 yet but that was i think the first bergman yes 1195 01:02:04.739 --> 01:02:08.019 correct him uh but he started there and then it 1196 01:02:08.059 --> 01:02:10.800 just went on from there but i mean he is 1197 01:02:10.820 --> 01:02:13.980 i mean prolific i don't even know is a big 1198 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.420 enough word i mean if if you've watched something that's 1199 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.019 been animated yeah since like 2010 or around there and 1200 01:02:20.139 --> 01:02:24.239 onward he's been involved. I mean, if you go on 1201 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:29.420 his IMDB and scroll all his credits, it's remarkable. Yeah. 1202 01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:35.949 All of the things he's done. Well, and, and yeah, go, 1203 01:02:36.050 --> 01:02:38.510 go to YouTube. This is just like literally like a 1204 01:02:38.550 --> 01:02:42.070 month ago, I was showing my kids videos of Eric 1205 01:02:42.110 --> 01:02:46.320 Bowser doing different voices, just like running through the litany, 1206 01:02:46.340 --> 01:02:50.260 you know, all the, all the Looney Tunes familiars and, 1207 01:02:50.420 --> 01:02:55.320 you know, he, he was like the, the, he did 1208 01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:58.800 Puss in Boots when it wasn't Antonio Banderas, you know, 1209 01:02:59.300 --> 01:03:03.699 and a whole bunch of other stuff. And, and, and 1210 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.889 then we get word that he, he just died. And he, 1211 01:03:08.050 --> 01:03:10.510 he was young. I mean, he, he's, he's our age. 1212 01:03:10.949 --> 01:03:11.130 Yeah. 1213 01:03:11.670 --> 01:03:15.190 Yeah. He was born December of 79. So just, just, 1214 01:03:15.429 --> 01:03:20.110 just a little bit younger than me. And it, it, 1215 01:03:20.949 --> 01:03:26.599 It was related to blood pressure, I believe. Hypertensive heart disease. 1216 01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:27.219 Yeah. 1217 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:34.699 Yeah. Which is

just... You know, I mean, that's... I mean, 1218 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.929 just like a sign of aging, I guess. You know, 1219 01:03:38.949 --> 01:03:45.090 that you have to think about this stuff. It's sobering. Right. Yeah. Gosh, 1220 01:03:45.150 --> 01:03:47.550 I mean, he was... he's the guy. 1221 01:03:47.570 --> 01:03:48.210 Yeah. 1222 01:03:48.389 --> 01:03:48.969 You know what I mean? 1223 01:03:49.130 --> 01:03:51.250 Like he, he, I know, like I'm saying, I like, 1224 01:03:52.369 --> 01:03:54.289 I'm scrolling through stuff right now. I mean, I'm like 1225 01:03:54.329 --> 01:04:01.010 looking like Alvin, the chipmunks, Flintstones, Scooby-Doo, Looney Tunes, Ninja Turtles, 1226 01:04:01.309 --> 01:04:04.909 Space Jam, like, uh, Bob's burgers. Uh, he was, uh, 1227 01:04:04.989 --> 01:04:08.469 did young voices on young Jedi adventures, super Mario galaxy movie. 1228 01:04:08.489 --> 01:04:10.389 Like he was the guy. 1229 01:04:10.409 --> 01:04:11.190 Right. 1230 01:04:11.329 --> 01:04:13.210 And he would have been doing this for a very 1231 01:04:13.269 --> 01:04:13.789 long time. 1232 01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:14.389 Yeah. 1233 01:04:14.969 --> 01:04:19.000 And, uh, and you know, I work in animation and 1234 01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:23.460 so I've met him and, uh, all the people I 1235 01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:25.599 work with, I think have encountered him at some point 1236 01:04:25.659 --> 01:04:28.659 or he's voiced something on something they've worked on. So 1237 01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:33.570 it definitely sent ripples through, uh, through that world for sure. 1238 01:04:33.610 --> 01:04:38.090 Yeah. With, uh, all my colleagues. Like, I'm glad that 1239 01:04:38.889 --> 01:04:41.090 coyote versus Acme is out there so that people can 1240 01:04:41.150 --> 01:04:43.590 hear one of his final performances. 1241 01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:47.360 Yeah. Yes, yes, and it was a great movie, and 1242 01:04:47.420 --> 01:04:50.480 he was doing the iconic characters. Yeah, I'm really glad 1243 01:04:50.980 --> 01:04:52.920 that everyone will get to see that. I'm glad he 1244 01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:54.389 got to see that come out. 1245 01:04:54.909 --> 01:04:55.170 Yeah. 1246 01:04:55.809 --> 01:04:58.190 Yeah, I mean, he mastered those characters, right? I mean, 1247 01:04:58.869 --> 01:05:01.250 you and I have experienced a couple times in our 1248 01:05:01.289 --> 01:05:06.650 lives a strange thing where, like with the Muppets, you know, 1249 01:05:06.969 --> 01:05:09.150 Jim Henson is Kermit the Frog. 1250 01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:09.900 Right. 1251 01:05:10.019 --> 01:05:12.519 And then in our lifetime, Jim Henson passes away and 1252 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:15.739 we've seen other people do Kermit's voice. And sometimes it 1253 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:17.590 gets kind of close and sometimes we're like, Ooh, Hmm. 1254 01:05:18.460 --> 01:05:20.940 You know, cause we will always have Jim Henson's voice 1255 01:05:20.980 --> 01:05:21.519 in our heads.

1256 01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:23.000 Right. 1257 01:05:23.380 --> 01:05:27.599 And similarly, we grew up with Mel Blanc doing the 1258 01:05:27.619 --> 01:05:30.489 majority of the Looney Tunes characters. And when he passed away, 1259 01:05:30.989 --> 01:05:33.429 we've heard various people do Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, and 1260 01:05:33.510 --> 01:05:37.530 sometimes it's closer. And sometimes it's, you know, we remember 1261 01:05:37.590 --> 01:05:38.809 something different in our minds. 1262 01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:39.559 Right. 1263 01:05:39.860 --> 01:05:42.900 But, like, Bowser nailed these characters. 1264 01:05:43.550 --> 01:05:43.800 Right. 1265 01:05:44.110 --> 01:05:44.429 You know? 1266 01:05:45.010 --> 01:05:49.530 Like, from the soul of the characters, their attitudes, to 1267 01:05:50.630 --> 01:05:54.050 the unique qualities in the sounds of their voices. 1268 01:05:55.269 --> 01:06:00.050 You know? And he had such joy in being the 1269 01:06:00.130 --> 01:06:01.639 steward of these characters. 1270 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:02.070 Right. 1271 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:06.179 You know? Like, he understood what a privilege it was. 1272 01:06:06.539 --> 01:06:06.679 Right. 1273 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.800 And he respected that. And it was so great to 1274 01:06:11.860 --> 01:06:17.099 see him making the promo rounds in support of this film. Literally, again, 1275 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:21.900 like a month and a half ago. And so to 1276 01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:24.960 get this news, I mean, it was really, like you said, 1277 01:06:24.980 --> 01:06:27.840 it was sobering. But it just, I mean, this is 1278 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:32.099 a young guy. He has young kids. Really, really sad. He, 1279 01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:35.610 I just saw in the last day or so, he 1280 01:06:35.619 --> 01:06:39.820 had made an appearance on uh, Melissa via seniors podcast. 1281 01:06:41.019 --> 01:06:45.519 And he did, uh, he performed the Liam Neeson taken 1282 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:52.579 monologue as porky pig. And it is one of the 1283 01:06:52.659 --> 01:06:55.869 goddamn funniest things I've seen. You know, that is hilarious. 1284 01:06:56.190 --> 01:06:56.510 Yeah. 1285 01:06:57.670 --> 01:07:00.409 I love her by the way. Oh, she's great. She's 1286 01:07:00.449 --> 01:07:05.730 such a great voice artist also. Yeah. Um, But yeah, 1287 01:07:05.769 --> 01:07:08.110 I mean, this new generation, I mean, you know, as 1288 01:07:08.150 --> 01:07:11.750 you said, Eric Bauza was not the first person to 1289 01:07:11.809 --> 01:07:16.860 succeed Mel Blanc as the voice of the Looney Tunes characters. 1290 01:07:17.469 --> 01:07:21.559 And Warner Brothers had made it a policy that after 1291 01:07:21.619 --> 01:07:27.099 Mel Blanc, they had multiple people do the voices for 1292 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:29.940 specifically this reason so that you wouldn't have a situation 1293 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.780 where now what, you know? 1294 01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:32.570 Interesting. 1295 01:07:32.590 --> 01:07:36.849 Interesting. So after Mel Blanc, you had Noel Blanc, his son. 1296 01:07:37.289 --> 01:07:40.030 You had Jeff Bergman and Eric Bauza. And, you know, 1297 01:07:41.219 --> 01:07:46.179 I think that it tells you something that the characterization 1298 01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:49.960 that Mel Blanc established is elastic enough that you have 1299 01:07:49.980 --> 01:07:52.840 these multiple performers playing, but they all sound like Bugs Bunny. 1300 01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:53.460 Mm-hmm. 1301 01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:57.679 Right? Like, it isn't like a Kermit situation or what 1302 01:07:57.699 --> 01:07:58.949 have you. Right. 1303 01:07:59.010 --> 01:08:01.110 I think, yeah, Kermit has struggled a little bit more. 1304 01:08:02.670 --> 01:08:05.639 Yeah. Yeah. Like in the recent time. 1305 01:08:05.659 --> 01:08:05.780 Right. 1306 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:10.019 Because the new ish Kermit voice is kind of people 1307 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.559 are sort of trying to wrap their brains around it. Yeah. 1308 01:08:13.820 --> 01:08:14.519 Yeah. Right. 1309 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:16.600 And by the way, like no easy feat. 1310 01:08:17.619 --> 01:08:21.260 You know what I mean? Because, again, it's especially for 1311 01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:24.100 people like us who, you know, it was seared into 1312 01:08:24.140 --> 01:08:26.079 our minds. Kermit was Jim Henson. 1313 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.579 That's right. You know, so that's it. It's going to 1314 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.560 be chasing that for the rest of our lives, at least. 1315 01:08:31.979 --> 01:08:37.899 Who did the voice of Baby Kermit on Muppet Babies? 1316 01:08:40.220 --> 01:08:46.579 Was it like Dave Coulier? Or no, it was Frank Welker. Okay. Okay. 1317 01:08:46.979 --> 01:08:48.180 Of course it was Frank Welker. 1318 01:08:48.810 --> 01:08:49.020 Yeah. 1319 01:08:51.069 --> 01:08:54.109 But in terms of voiceover titans, we've already lost Peter 1320 01:08:54.149 --> 01:08:59.130 Cullen this year and Eric Bowser in that same, you know, 1321 01:08:59.829 --> 01:09:09.319 same arena. Obviously, you know, vastly different approaches and yet 1322 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:11.479 equally saddening, you know? 1323 01:09:11.779 --> 01:09:15.060 Yep. Yep. I mean, he would have been doing this 1324 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:17.010 and dominating for a very long time. 1325 01:09:17.430 --> 01:09:18.109 A very long time. 1326 01:09:18.289 --> 01:09:18.510 Yeah. 1327 01:09:20.090 --> 01:09:23.449 Uh, another, another passing Susan St. James. Are you familiar 1328 01:09:23.470 --> 01:09:24.130 with Susan St. 1329 01:09:24.170 --> 01:09:24.489 James? 1330 01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:27.399 No, I had to look her up. 1331 01:09:27.909 --> 01:09:30.850 So, so she was on, she was on a couple shows, uh, 1332 01:09:31.590 --> 01:09:33.180 McMillan and wife, which I don't know if you've ever 1333 01:09:33.229 --> 01:09:37.100 heard of. I, I know that title. It feels like

1334 01:09:37.140 --> 01:09:39.119 that would be a title he'd know, right? Yeah. 1335 01:09:39.180 --> 01:09:41.340 It's just one of those things that gets referenced sometimes, 1336 01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:43.060 but yeah, I've never seen it. 1337 01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:48.600 It was with, uh, her and, uh, and, um, uh, uh, what, 1338 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:55.430 what's his name? Rock Hudson. Okay. And that was like 1339 01:09:55.569 --> 01:10:00.840 a procedural. Well, I guess it was a procedural. It 1340 01:10:00.850 --> 01:10:08.579 was part of the NBC mystery wheel. So they would 1341 01:10:08.619 --> 01:10:16.250 have McCloud and Columbo and Macmillan and wife was one 1342 01:10:16.270 --> 01:10:18.529 of these. So I used to see this because it 1343 01:10:18.569 --> 01:10:22.930 would come on in Saudi Arabia. And over there, whatever 1344 01:10:22.949 --> 01:10:25.329 was on, I would watch, you know, but she was 1345 01:10:25.409 --> 01:10:28.050 on a sitcom called Kate and Allie. 1346 01:10:28.529 --> 01:10:28.770 Right. 1347 01:10:29.390 --> 01:10:31.729 Which that you must've heard of, right? I have heard 1348 01:10:31.770 --> 01:10:35.689 of that. Okay. So that was with Jane Curtin. And again, 1349 01:10:35.729 --> 01:10:37.090 that was, I used to watch it all the time 1350 01:10:37.149 --> 01:10:38.930 cause they would come on over there. And I, you know, 1351 01:10:38.949 --> 01:10:42.350 I remember finding it amusing, but, um, she was 80 1352 01:10:42.350 --> 01:10:44.710 years old. She was married to Don Ulmeier who was 1353 01:10:44.829 --> 01:10:48.149 former NBC head. He, he took over SNL. 1354 01:10:48.180 --> 01:10:49.350 Yeah. Yeah. 1355 01:10:50.170 --> 01:10:53.250 After Lorne Michaels and before Lorne Michaels, after the Gene 1356 01:10:53.270 --> 01:10:57.689 Dumanian era. Right, right, right, right, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, 1357 01:10:58.630 --> 01:11:01.869 extremely talented, very funny. That show was great, even though 1358 01:11:01.890 --> 01:11:03.569 it has sort of like dropped down the memory hole. 1359 01:11:05.069 --> 01:11:07.430 Yeah, it's another one of those things. I know that title, 1360 01:11:08.300 --> 01:11:10.079 but I don't think I've ever seen it. McMillan and 1361 01:11:10.100 --> 01:11:11.479 Wife was 71 to 77. Kate and Allie was 84 1362 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:12.399 to 89. 84 to 89, that's right. 1363 01:11:15.819 --> 01:11:18.479 And Macmillan and wife, I mean, that's, you know, it's 1364 01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:21.560 probably on some streaming services, I suspect. Caden Alley is 1365 01:11:21.619 --> 01:11:26.510 one of those, it's just well known enough to have 1366 01:11:27.310 --> 01:11:31.149 the whole series on YouTube. Okay. And nobody's bothering to 1367 01:11:31.210 --> 01:11:34.939 pull it down type of situation. Sure, sure, sure. But 1368 01:11:34.989 --> 01:11:38.520 it's weird because it lasted like a hundred something, a 1369 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:43.840 syndication level of episodes, right? But, I mean, just the 1370 01:11:43.899 --> 01:11:46.869 broader thought I have is, I mean, she was like 1371 01:11:47.069 --> 01:11:51.069 youngish when we were kids. And we're now at that 1372 01:11:51.170 --> 01:11:53.229 age where the people who were youngish when we were 1373 01:11:53.270 --> 01:11:57.359 kids are now leaving. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's sort 1374 01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:00.619 of like that sobering realization you have also, you know? 1375 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:01.479 Yeah. 1376 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:08.199 Yeah. She was 80. She will be missed. Yeah. Also, 1377 01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:13.920 shortly after, it's been a bad week for Star Trek fans, 1378 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:18.880 I should say. First, Walter Koenig died. Yeah. Walter Koenig, 1379 01:12:18.899 --> 01:12:20.659 who just a few months ago, you and I were 1380 01:12:20.699 --> 01:12:23.140 talking through Star Trek IV, The Voyage Home, and we 1381 01:12:23.579 --> 01:12:27.060 were commenting on how fun and charming he was in 1382 01:12:27.649 --> 01:12:32.149 that film. He played Chekov, of course. And here's a guy, 1383 01:12:32.189 --> 01:12:35.649 he was 90 years old, and if we're being honest, 1384 01:12:36.510 --> 01:12:38.289 he was known for one role. 1385 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:38.939 Yeah. 1386 01:12:39.770 --> 01:12:41.260 He played a bunch of other roles. He had done 1387 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:42.840 other stuff. He had done a lot of good stuff. 1388 01:12:43.449 --> 01:12:45.310 But he was known as Chekhov. 1389 01:12:45.750 --> 01:12:45.909 Yep. 1390 01:12:46.890 --> 01:12:50.590 Starting in the second season, the original Star Trek, all 1391 01:12:50.630 --> 01:12:53.479 six of the original movies, the first Next Generation movie, 1392 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:59.720 quite an impressive run, right? And by all accounts, a 1393 01:12:59.920 --> 01:13:06.520 very charming, self-effacing guy. I think he knew what he 1394 01:13:06.550 --> 01:13:10.409 was known for, and he was fine with it. But 1395 01:13:10.430 --> 01:13:13.710 I was thinking, it's like when we talk about typecasting... 1396 01:13:13.550 --> 01:13:15.630 And how that's a bad thing or it might be 1397 01:13:15.670 --> 01:13:22.289 construed as a bad thing. You're remembered. Right. Right? And 1398 01:13:22.329 --> 01:13:24.250 that's got to mean something, you know? 1399 01:13:24.789 --> 01:13:27.710 I can imagine when you're in your 40s or something, 1400 01:13:28.789 --> 01:13:29.890 it feeling like a burden. 1401 01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:31.140 Right. 1402 01:13:31.189 --> 01:13:34.420 But then later in life where people still want to 1403 01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:37.359 talk about this thing that you did and you still 1404 01:13:37.380 --> 01:13:41.039 mean a lot to them and this character will live 1405 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.510 on because of what you brought to that, that role. 1406 01:13:45.149 --> 01:13:45.510 Right. 1407 01:13:45.689 --> 01:13:49.189 That's not

something a lot of actors get, you know, 1408 01:13:49.250 --> 01:13:51.890 they don't get to experience that something so iconic and 1409 01:13:51.949 --> 01:13:56.079 memorable that will outlive you. And so I'm sure. 1410 01:13:56.100 --> 01:14:02.159 Yeah. Later on, he probably really appreciated that. I think that, 1411 01:14:03.100 --> 01:14:05.880 or I hope he did. I'll say, well, I think 1412 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:11.420 he recognized that, you know, his connection to that show 1413 01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.859 had given him a cultural longevity that many actors of 1414 01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:21.229 his vintage or even younger never get, you know, and 1415 01:14:21.270 --> 01:14:23.210 that was something special. And I know, you know, he would, 1416 01:14:23.449 --> 01:14:26.130 he would appear at, at conventions all the time. I know. 1417 01:14:26.390 --> 01:14:28.909 I remember seeing him doing signings and stuff and, you know, 1418 01:14:29.090 --> 01:14:31.869 there was always a healthy number of people waiting to 1419 01:14:31.930 --> 01:14:33.890 see him and that, you know, that makes you happy. 1420 01:14:34.109 --> 01:14:34.350 Yeah. 1421 01:14:34.850 --> 01:14:39.409 Right. I saw something posted about his passing. This was 1422 01:14:39.470 --> 01:14:44.479 by an author named Mark Cushman, who wrote books about 1423 01:14:44.529 --> 01:14:47.319 the making of the original series. And he said this, 1424 01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.300 he says, I've been mourning this for a couple months, 1425 01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.500 but remained silent about Walter's condition out of respect for 1426 01:14:53.539 --> 01:14:56.340 his privacy. Walter and I had been close for about 1427 01:14:56.340 --> 01:14:59.600 15 years. We visited one another often, as well as 1428 01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.670 doing radio interview shows and appearing on stage together. He 1429 01:15:02.710 --> 01:15:05.189 wrote the foreword for my season two volume of These 1430 01:15:05.229 --> 01:15:08.350 Are the Voyages original series books, and again for one 1431 01:15:08.369 --> 01:15:11.449 of my books on Star Trek in the 1970s. At 1432 01:15:11.489 --> 01:15:14.090 his invitation, I gave him notes on his beaming up 1433 01:15:14.149 --> 01:15:16.409 and getting off memoir while he was writing it, and 1434 01:15:16.449 --> 01:15:18.649 he did likewise for me on a couple of my books. 1435 01:15:19.189 --> 01:15:23.409 He was always a pleasure, smart, sensitive, and funny. For 1436 01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:26.119 the last couple of months, Walter knew the end was near. 1437 01:15:27.420 --> 01:15:30.340 He was in complete acceptance and retained his unique sense 1438 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:34.010 of humor. That was so impressive to me. Even while 1439 01:15:34.069 --> 01:15:36.789 confined to bed and awaiting the end, he was in 1440 01:15:36.869 --> 01:15:40.390 good spirits with me and I can only expect with 1441 01:15:40.430 --> 01:15:43.029 everyone who called

or visited. He felt he'd lived a 1442 01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:45.439 full life. He told me that the things that used 1443 01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.119 to bother him, as some things will bother any of us, 1444 01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:52.359 didn't anymore. He was at peace. He provided a humble 1445 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.079 and blissful example of how we should all want to 1446 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:59.149 be in our final months, weeks, and days. God bless you, Walter. 1447 01:15:59.250 --> 01:16:01.640 We'll miss you. but you will continue to live in 1448 01:16:01.699 --> 01:16:04.779 our memories and hearts. You're up among the stars now, 1449 01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:07.000 dear friend. Wow. 1450 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.380 That's a lovely tribute. And that's really nice to hear. 1451 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:10.479 Yeah. 1452 01:16:11.020 --> 01:16:17.810 Yeah. His son, um, was Andrew Koenig. He was, uh, uh, 1453 01:16:18.550 --> 01:16:22.529 you know, from growing pains. He was Mike's friend boner. Oh, really? 1454 01:16:22.550 --> 01:16:23.090 Yeah. 1455 01:16:23.109 --> 01:16:26.229 That was his son. And he, you know, he had 1456 01:16:26.289 --> 01:16:32.479 taken his own life, um, I think in 2012 or thereabouts. Oh, 1457 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:33.399 I forgot about that. 1458 01:16:33.939 --> 01:16:34.300 Yeah. 1459 01:16:34.979 --> 01:16:38.760 And, you know, I can't think of any torture worse 1460 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:43.819 for a parent than having to outlive their child. Yeah. But, 1461 01:16:46.020 --> 01:16:48.939 you know, he did speak about it and he spoke, 1462 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:53.489 you know, I mean, obviously, in terms of the mental 1463 01:16:53.529 --> 01:16:56.050 health issues that dogged his son, he was, you know, 1464 01:16:57.010 --> 01:17:01.279 he had sort of come to Some grips with it, 1465 01:17:01.300 --> 01:17:03.239 but it was something that they dealt with for a 1466 01:17:03.260 --> 01:17:06.140 long time, you know? But I. 1467 01:17:08.140 --> 01:17:10.300 That part of it makes me sad, you know, to 1468 01:17:10.340 --> 01:17:11.880 live with that loss for so long. 1469 01:17:12.579 --> 01:17:13.039 Yeah. 1470 01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:15.840 Yeah. I didn't know that. 1471 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:16.899 Yeah. 1472 01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:22.000 And like you... I mean, when we were talking about 1473 01:17:23.060 --> 01:17:26.319 Star Trek IV, you know, he was 50 in that. Huh. 1474 01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:26.899 Wow. 1475 01:17:27.850 --> 01:17:31.300 You know, a sprightly 50. Yeah, in his badass jacket. 1476 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.520 In that one, yeah. 1477 01:17:36.460 --> 01:17:40.439 And well, that's the thing, you know, is he sort 1478 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:44.640 of had this recognition, like, I'm not the lead. I'm 1479 01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:48.810 guy number six on the call sheet. And he would 1480 01:17:48.850 --> 01:17:50.489 show up for the movies and he'd be happy if 1481 01:17:50.510 --> 01:17:51.850 he got a scene or two, you know? 1482 01:17:52.170 --> 01:17:52.390 Yeah. 1483 01:17:53.069 --> 01:17:54.750 And he knew how his bread was buttered. He was 1484 01:17:54.789 --> 01:17:59.229 a working actor. And in that sense, he was happy 1485 01:17:59.250 --> 01:18:03.920 to be working. But people are going to be watching 1486 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:04.680 Star Trek forever. 1487 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:05.380 Yeah. 1488 01:18:06.340 --> 01:18:10.970 So his work is going to live on forever. So 1489 01:18:11.029 --> 01:18:17.550 that happens on a Monday. And then Thursday, talk about 1490 01:18:17.970 --> 01:18:22.029 a punch to the stomach. While you're already reeling, Patrick 1491 01:18:22.050 --> 01:18:23.789 Stewart passed away. Yeah. 1492 01:18:24.130 --> 01:18:29.810 He was 86 and apparently died from Alzheimer's disease and 1493 01:18:30.029 --> 01:18:31.529 Lewy body dementia. 1494 01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:37.640 My son texted me. He says, Patrick Stewart just died. 1495 01:18:39.579 --> 01:18:42.039 And I texted him back. I said, no. 1496 01:18:42.060 --> 01:18:45.310 No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. 1497 01:18:46.270 --> 01:18:47.779 And it, I had to sit down. 1498 01:18:48.289 --> 01:18:48.569 Yeah. 1499 01:18:49.350 --> 01:18:52.670 I literally, you know, I, I was like, no, he's, 1500 01:18:52.850 --> 01:18:56.890 he's going to live forever. He's supposed to live forever. 1501 01:18:57.850 --> 01:18:58.770 He's captain Picard. 1502 01:19:00.210 --> 01:19:00.470 I know. 1503 01:19:00.569 --> 01:19:02.800 I had that same feeling because I think part of 1504 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.699 it for me, I'll say is he's looked similar. 1505 01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:07.479 Yeah. For so long. 1506 01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:08.020 Yeah. 1507 01:19:09.060 --> 01:19:10.840 That it just felt like he would be here forever. 1508 01:19:11.420 --> 01:19:11.640 Yeah. 1509 01:19:11.819 --> 01:19:13.890 He was there when I was younger. He's there when 1510 01:19:13.899 --> 01:19:15.970 I'm older. Why wouldn't he always be here? 1511 01:19:16.670 --> 01:19:16.869 Right. 1512 01:19:17.130 --> 01:19:17.390 You know? 1513 01:19:18.810 --> 01:19:23.810 And it is one of those things where over the 1514 01:19:23.850 --> 01:19:26.510 last several years, you could tell his voice was thinner. 1515 01:19:26.970 --> 01:19:27.229 Yes. 1516 01:19:27.689 --> 01:19:32.220 Yes. His gait was a little unsteadier. I mean, he 1517 01:19:32.260 --> 01:19:33.619 was showing his age, right? 1518 01:19:34.020 --> 01:19:34.199 Yeah. 1519 01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:37.659 And what's crazy, by the way, is when Star Trek 1520 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.810 The Next Generation started, He was 47. 1521 01:19:39.810 --> 01:19:39.970 Okay. 1522 01:19:39.989 --> 01:19:46.949 So that's one of those data points, right? That's amazing. Yeah. 1523 01:19:47.850 --> 01:19:52.670 The role he'll be most identified with didn't come to 1524 01:19:52.689 --> 01:19:53.479 him until he was 47. 1525

01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:53.840 Yeah. 1526 01:19:54.489 --> 01:19:58.159 There is something oddly comforting about that. I know. I'm 1527 01:19:58.180 --> 01:20:05.340 sure you and I are both like, that's nice. And famously, 1528 01:20:05.819 --> 01:20:10.640 he got the gig. I should say, over the protests 1529 01:20:10.779 --> 01:20:13.859 of Gene Roddenberry, who could not get over the fact 1530 01:20:14.340 --> 01:20:19.569 that my man was bald, right? And, you know, Roddenberry 1531 01:20:19.850 --> 01:20:21.989 later on was like, well, you know, in the future, 1532 01:20:22.529 --> 01:20:25.069 people won't care about whether you're bald or not bald. 1533 01:20:25.130 --> 01:20:28.850 And it's like, that's him like retconning himself. Very interesting. 1534 01:20:28.869 --> 01:20:32.329 Because it's like, he very much cared, you know? Yeah. 1535 01:20:32.430 --> 01:20:35.449 That was, you know, the producers really had to push 1536 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:38.090 to get Patrick Stewart that gig but regardless I mean 1537 01:20:38.130 --> 01:20:43.140 he made it his own right he he he became 1538 01:20:43.340 --> 01:20:48.380 iconic in a way that it like it's it's hard 1539 01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:55.359 to think of a time where you couldn't see him 1540 01:20:55.420 --> 01:20:57.079 as the captain of the Enterprise you know what I 1541 01:20:57.100 --> 01:21:01.659 mean right right but that time definitely existed because it 1542 01:21:01.699 --> 01:21:06.000 was like hey who's this old bald guy I want 1543 01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:08.720 that other old bald guy, but the bald guy who's 1544 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:09.680 pretending to have hair. 1545 01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.819 Well, that's... I mean, I didn't watch it when it 1546 01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:14.600 first aired. 1547 01:21:14.979 --> 01:21:15.220 Yeah. 1548 01:21:15.260 --> 01:21:20.729 But I'm wondering for you, was it interesting to see 1549 01:21:20.930 --> 01:21:25.090 such a different type of captain? You know what I mean? 1550 01:21:25.109 --> 01:21:28.710 Where he's got this sort of booming voice and sort 1551 01:21:28.750 --> 01:21:32.930 of Shakespearean air about him, you know, versus. 1552 01:21:34.250 --> 01:21:36.729 I don't know the the scrappy lover boy sort of 1553 01:21:36.970 --> 01:21:40.069 captain kirk thing was that did you connect with that 1554 01:21:40.130 --> 01:21:41.569 right away or did that feel like. 1555 01:21:41.529 --> 01:21:44.609 Oh no no i didn't yeah i for sure didn't 1556 01:21:44.649 --> 01:21:47.789 because i remember uh fall of 87 you know i 1557 01:21:47.810 --> 01:21:50.890 mean this is pre-internet and also like you know i 1558 01:21:50.909 --> 01:21:53.569 was living overseas and and i was visiting my friend 1559 01:21:53.609 --> 01:21:55.489 and he's like hey here's this star trek the next 1560 01:21:55.510 --> 01:21:57.729 generation i'm like what the hell is that right um 1561 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:00.579 I was like seven. I'm like, what the hell is this? 1562 01:22:01.699 --> 01:22:13.640 F you. Go suck a lemon. Zachy, no. So they 1563 01:22:13.659 --> 01:22:16.439 put it on. I'm like, no, who's this bald British guy? 1564 01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:19.239 It doesn't make any sense. And so it definitely took 1565 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:24.529 some getting used to, absolutely. But then you take in 1566 01:22:24.550 --> 01:22:30.010 the totality of that show and everything he came to represent. And, 1567 01:22:31.310 --> 01:22:33.789 you know, I mean, it just, it was one of 1568 01:22:33.829 --> 01:22:37.520 those things where it's like, how could it be otherwise? 1569 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:39.880 He was destined for this part. 1570 01:22:40.300 --> 01:22:40.479 Yeah. 1571 01:22:41.539 --> 01:22:45.579 He was also destined to play Professor X, by the way. Oh, yeah. Like, 1572 01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.800 I don't think anybody else could have even been in 1573 01:22:49.819 --> 01:22:51.819 the mix for that. It's like, no, no, come on. 1574 01:22:52.739 --> 01:22:54.930 There's like a power and a gentleness. 1575 01:22:55.510 --> 01:22:55.789 Yeah. 1576 01:22:56.010 --> 01:22:56.850 That he brings back. 1577 01:22:58.010 --> 01:23:01.010 To that role that's just so perfect. 1578 01:23:01.850 --> 01:23:06.250 I mean, seriously, you know? Both of those roles, and 1579 01:23:06.270 --> 01:23:10.829 I was thinking about how, you know, he came back 1580 01:23:10.850 --> 01:23:13.869 to Star Trek a few years ago. He did Star 1581 01:23:13.890 --> 01:23:15.489 Trek Picard for three seasons, right? 1582 01:23:15.529 --> 01:23:15.729 Right. 1583 01:23:16.569 --> 01:23:20.390 And so that got to sort of give the next 1584 01:23:20.430 --> 01:23:25.449 generation a farewell, you know? Mm-hmm. And I was like, man, 1585 01:23:25.510 --> 01:23:28.090 how lucky we are that they got to do this. 1586 01:23:28.550 --> 01:23:28.970 Yeah. 1587 01:23:29.050 --> 01:23:31.010 Yeah. And I think you had told me that when 1588 01:23:31.069 --> 01:23:34.189 Picard started, that wasn't the original direction. 1589 01:23:34.630 --> 01:23:34.989 That's right. 1590 01:23:35.149 --> 01:23:35.289 Right. 1591 01:23:35.329 --> 01:23:38.430 They were trying to sort of steer clear of a reunion. 1592 01:23:38.449 --> 01:23:38.869 Yeah. 1593 01:23:38.890 --> 01:23:40.729 But then eventually in season three. 1594 01:23:41.149 --> 01:23:44.909 Yeah. They just. They got the band back together. Like, 1595 01:23:44.949 --> 01:23:46.340 why on earth not? Right. 1596 01:23:46.949 --> 01:23:47.189 Right. 1597 01:23:48.100 --> 01:23:49.300 And thank goodness they did. 1598 01:23:49.310 --> 01:23:50.939 Yeah. Yeah. 1599 01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:55.489 Because we get to see. you know, we got to 1600 01:23:55.550 --> 01:24:01.430 see Captain Picard one last time. Actually, here's an interesting 1601 01:24:01.529 --> 01:24:07.750 point of trivia. The final episode of Star Trek Picard, 1602 01:24:08.029 --> 01:24:12.840 the third

season final episode, it starts with, so there's 1603 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:17.460 like a galactic crisis, whatever. So we start with a 1604 01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:22.970 voiceover of the president of the Federation warning Picard ships 1605 01:24:23.149 --> 01:24:28.829 away from Earth. And the president of the Federation, his 1606 01:24:28.890 --> 01:24:34.449 name is Anton Chekhov. And he's the son of Pavel Chekhov. 1607 01:24:35.329 --> 01:24:41.590 And he's voiced by Walter Koenig. Yeah. So that last 1608 01:24:41.689 --> 01:24:45.850 episode of Star Trek, Picard is the final Star Trek 1609 01:24:45.899 --> 01:24:49.600 appearance of both Walter Koenig and Patrick Stewart, who both 1610 01:24:49.659 --> 01:24:51.359 died the same week. Wow. 1611 01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:53.359 Wow. 1612 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:57.920 Isn't that crazy? Just random, you know? Yeah, yeah. I 1613 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:04.329 think that also makes Walter Koenig the last original series 1614 01:25:04.390 --> 01:25:06.729 cast member to appear in Star Trek. Hmm. 1615 01:25:07.550 --> 01:25:07.710 Right. 1616 01:25:07.729 --> 01:25:10.590 I mean, I guess George Takei and Shatner are still around, 1617 01:25:10.609 --> 01:25:13.939 so I guess there's still time. But as of this moment. Man, 1618 01:25:13.979 --> 01:25:14.800 can you imagine? 1619 01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:18.680 I mean, you have this role in the 60s on this, 1620 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:22.550 you know, network TV series. Yeah. you get to play 1621 01:25:22.590 --> 01:25:25.300 that role all the way through to like the frigging 1622 01:25:25.409 --> 01:25:29.260 future 2020, whatever, you know, like amazing. 1623 01:25:29.300 --> 01:25:29.760 Incredible. 1624 01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:30.340 Yeah. 1625 01:25:32.180 --> 01:25:35.260 Um, but yeah, I, I think, I think when it 1626 01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:39.140 came to, to Patrick Stewart, I think, I mean, my, 1627 01:25:39.220 --> 01:25:43.260 my son is like, I can't believe he's gone and 1628 01:25:43.340 --> 01:25:46.279 he's 20, you know? So you talk about a role 1629 01:25:46.340 --> 01:25:48.159 that I, I think part of it is because Patrick 1630 01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:51.850 Stewart has been present tense, um, for all our lives. 1631 01:25:53.100 --> 01:25:56.060 So it feels like he, it wasn't like he'd receded 1632 01:25:56.100 --> 01:25:57.439 into retirement, you know? 1633 01:25:57.479 --> 01:25:57.680 Right. 1634 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:05.800 But I, I saw a piece that Gates McFadden wrote 1635 01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:10.000 for variety. So Gates McFadden, she played Dr. Crusher on 1636 01:26:10.020 --> 01:26:14.979 the next generation. And I wanted to share some of that, 1637 01:26:15.020 --> 01:26:17.989 you know, Patrick Stewart was famously close with the next 1638 01:26:18.029 --> 01:26:21.779 generation cast, the whole cast. is tight in a way 1639 01:26:21.899 --> 01:26:25.000 that like warms the heart. Oh, that's nice. 1640 01:26:25.539 --> 01:26:25.720 Right. 1641 01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:28.180 It's all, it's the opposite of the original series. I 1642 01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:30.140 was going to say, cause yeah, that doesn't always happen. 1643 01:26:31.020 --> 01:26:32.560 It's what you want. It's what you hope. 1644 01:26:32.819 --> 01:26:34.600 And then you get disappointed when you hear that isn't 1645 01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:34.979 the case. 1646 01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:40.420 Like, like Patrick Stewart told this story about, about, um, uh, 1647 01:26:40.529 --> 01:26:42.750 a play that he was acting in. And it's about 1648 01:26:42.789 --> 01:26:46.109 a man in the, in the end stages of his life. 1649 01:26:46.489 --> 01:26:50.170 And so, it ends with him looking out at the 1650 01:26:50.329 --> 01:26:53.640 audience and sort of coming to terms with his mortality 1651 01:26:53.649 --> 01:26:58.020 and essentially saying goodbye. And he described, Patrick described how 1652 01:26:58.060 --> 01:27:00.000 when he would look out in the audience, he would 1653 01:27:00.140 --> 01:27:06.239 picture his next generation cast members in the audience in 1654 01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:11.720 order to heighten his own emotional grief because the idea 1655 01:27:11.739 --> 01:27:16.710 of saying goodbye to them moved him so much. That's 1656 01:27:16.750 --> 01:27:20.789 so lovely. Right? Yeah. It's like sad and heartwarming and 1657 01:27:20.810 --> 01:27:25.229 it's all of those things, you know? Yeah. And all 1658 01:27:25.250 --> 01:27:29.430 of the cast, you know, they put out their various statements. 1659 01:27:29.470 --> 01:27:33.710 Jonathan Frakes talked about how there's no other actor he's 1660 01:27:34.109 --> 01:27:39.010 directed or acted with more than Patrick Stewart, you know? And, 1661 01:27:39.569 --> 01:27:43.590 you know, they had like a 10-year age difference, 10 plus. So, 1662 01:27:43.609 --> 01:27:46.920 I mean, it was really... talk about learning from the best, right? 1663 01:27:48.460 --> 01:27:53.640 But this is, this is from what Gates McFadden wrote. 1664 01:27:54.340 --> 01:27:57.479 And there's a, there's a, it's, it's a longer piece, 1665 01:27:57.500 --> 01:28:00.600 but this piece right here, I think is, is particularly relevant. 1666 01:28:01.699 --> 01:28:05.279 She says, one thing is for certain, Patrick's reach across 1667 01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:08.960 the continents was massive. After word of his death surfaced, 1668 01:28:09.020 --> 01:28:12.039 the internet, not surprisingly, was filled with thousands of tributes 1669 01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:15.510 of admiration and and overflowing love for the Yorkshire man. 1670 01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:18.970 He touched so many people in so many ways. Not 1671 01:28:19.050 --> 01:28:21.630 only was he captain of the Enterprise crew, he seems 1672 01:28:21.670 --> 01:28:24.550 to have been everyone's captain because of how he walked 1673 01:28:25.010 --> 01:28:29.930 in the world. A leader is great when they understand

1674 01:28:29.970 --> 01:28:33.949 sacrifice and responsibility. This is why I believe people tune 1675 01:28:33.989 --> 01:28:36.630 into Star Trek or listen to Shakespeare, music, or art 1676 01:28:36.670 --> 01:28:39.869 of any kind. We're searching for hope and elevation from 1677 01:28:39.890 --> 01:28:43.399 the daily numbness or despair. A desire to do good 1678 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.100 in the world works better with both kindness and focus, 1679 01:28:46.539 --> 01:28:48.939 and it works better when we're surrounded by art and 1680 01:28:48.979 --> 01:28:54.979 invention that lifts us. Jean-Luc Picard embodied that ideal. Patrick's 1681 01:28:55.060 --> 01:28:58.550 death means the loss of Picard. which for some hurts 1682 01:28:58.649 --> 01:29:02.050 even more than the loss of Patrick Stewart. Jean-Luc gave 1683 01:29:02.109 --> 01:29:09.189 us hope. And I love that because it shows how 1684 01:29:09.250 --> 01:29:13.590 the two were intertwined in this way, right? And that's 1685 01:29:13.630 --> 01:29:16.569 the thing I've been seeing on social media. I mean, 1686 01:29:16.829 --> 01:29:27.960 my feed was nothing but sadness and joy a sadness 1687 01:29:28.020 --> 01:29:31.979 over losing Patrick Stewart, but joy over having gotten to 1688 01:29:32.020 --> 01:29:36.659 experience his work. And so it was incredibly cathartic, you know, 1689 01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:42.550 and I don't get emotional often when it, when it 1690 01:29:42.619 --> 01:29:47.569 comes to celebrities passing, this one hit me really hard. And, 1691 01:29:47.829 --> 01:29:50.630 and it wasn't until, you know, I, somebody sent me, uh, 1692 01:29:50.789 --> 01:29:55.569 one of these, uh, tribute videos, um, on YouTube. And 1693 01:29:55.609 --> 01:29:57.770 I sat, I was sitting in my, in my cave, 1694 01:29:57.810 --> 01:30:00.970 just watching it and it ends. And I don't even 1695 01:30:01.010 --> 01:30:02.989 realize that I have tears streaming down my face. 1696 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:03.539 Yeah. 1697 01:30:04.699 --> 01:30:07.899 Uh, and I, you know, obviously it, it's the sadness 1698 01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:09.399 that we're no longer going to see his work, but 1699 01:30:09.420 --> 01:30:14.979 it's also the sadness of what the work represented in 1700 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:20.899 your life. Right. And for me, I mean, I mean, 1701 01:30:20.930 --> 01:30:24.130 think about it. He was the age I am now. 1702 01:30:25.850 --> 01:30:27.729 when he started on star Trek. 1703 01:30:28.069 --> 01:30:28.289 Yeah. 1704 01:30:28.930 --> 01:30:32.649 And so as far back as I can remember, I've 1705 01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.520 been having a conversation. 1706 01:30:33.939 --> 01:30:37.500 With that, you know, you know, when you said, um, 1707 01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:41.680 you're talking about your son and that he just, um, 1708 01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:43.859 Stuart felt present. Yeah. 1709 01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:44.659 Always. 1710 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:45.590 It's,

it makes sense. 1711 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:48.989 I mean, if, if next generation is the eighties and then, 1712 01:30:49.729 --> 01:30:52.210 you know, through the nineties and then you get X-Men, 1713 01:30:52.510 --> 01:30:55.510 you know, and the, the odds, and then he's like, 1714 01:30:56.380 --> 01:31:01.340 still playing professor X in the new Marvel films, the MCU, 1715 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:05.100 you know, like he's just, he's doing animated films. He's 1716 01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:07.859 part of the Seth MacFarlane universe. I was showing up 1717 01:31:07.930 --> 01:31:11.630 in family guy, like he's touched so many different areas 1718 01:31:11.670 --> 01:31:14.970 of entertainment consistently. 1719 01:31:14.949 --> 01:31:16.489 And in a way that is beloved. 1720 01:31:17.149 --> 01:31:17.369 Right. 1721 01:31:17.569 --> 01:31:20.210 You know, so it makes sense that he's just that 1722 01:31:20.229 --> 01:31:20.880 word present. 1723 01:31:20.909 --> 01:31:21.220 Yeah. 1724 01:31:21.229 --> 01:31:22.760 He's always been present for us. 1725 01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:23.760 Yeah. 1726 01:31:23.779 --> 01:31:28.770 And, and, As I said before, I feel very lucky 1727 01:31:28.890 --> 01:31:33.569 we got one last visit with Jean-Luc Picard. One that 1728 01:31:33.609 --> 01:31:40.489 was incredibly satisfying, emotionally satisfying. And it ties a bow 1729 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:45.460 around not just that character, but that cast of characters. Also, 1730 01:31:45.579 --> 01:31:49.680 I mean, we get one more visit with Professor X. 1731 01:31:51.659 --> 01:31:55.890 Which is incredible. Yep. He is in Avengers Doomsday. He 1732 01:31:55.909 --> 01:31:58.010 was in Avengers. Jim said this will be his ninth 1733 01:31:58.350 --> 01:32:02.909 time playing Professor X over the course of 26 years. 1734 01:32:03.609 --> 01:32:03.920 Wow. 1735 01:32:04.500 --> 01:32:05.359 Incredible. 1736 01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:06.180 Yeah. 1737 01:32:07.100 --> 01:32:11.840 And like literally, I remember in the mid-90s, Alex Ross, 1738 01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:15.539 you know, who did Kingdom Come and various other things, 1739 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.359 you know, he did a series called Marvels. And it 1740 01:32:18.380 --> 01:32:20.159 was the first time. It was the first time we 1741 01:32:20.189 --> 01:32:23.720 had like painted Marvel characters and And, you know, he 1742 01:32:23.819 --> 01:32:27.260 used real life people as models. So he painted Patrick 1743 01:32:27.300 --> 01:32:30.100 Stewart as professor X. That was the first time. Oh, really? 1744 01:32:30.579 --> 01:32:33.760 You know, so we're talking like 93 looking it up and, 1745 01:32:33.899 --> 01:32:38.189 and you see it and you're like, Oh yeah. You know? 1746 01:32:38.270 --> 01:32:38.550 Yeah. 1747 01:32:38.609 --> 01:32:38.970 I see it. 1748 01:32:39.010 --> 01:32:39.189 Yeah. 1749 01:32:39.850 --> 01:32:42.029 And I think from, from that, did you just look 1750 01:32:42.050 --> 01:32:42.220 it up? 1751 01:32:42.329 --> 01:32:42.510 Yeah. 1752 01:32:42.529 --> 01:32:42.609 Yeah. 1753 01:32:42.670 --> 01:32:45.029 I just Googled it. Right. Yeah. I think he painted 1754 01:32:45.090 --> 01:32:48.350 Timothy Dalton as Tony Stark and, you know, various other 1755 01:32:48.369 --> 01:32:48.829 people like that. 1756 01:32:49.130 --> 01:32:49.350 Okay. 1757 01:32:49.470 --> 01:32:53.239 He had, um, i think the professor what's his name 1758 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:56.439 russell johnson as reed richards oh yeah. 1759 01:32:56.439 --> 01:33:00.520 I see dalton yeah see yeah this is cool. 1760 01:33:00.579 --> 01:33:05.060 Yeah you know but from that point you're like well 1761 01:33:05.100 --> 01:33:06.739 geez it's got to be him you know so it 1762 01:33:06.779 --> 01:33:12.220 was really like a fulfillment of inevitability you know but 1763 01:33:13.779 --> 01:33:19.579 i hope brian that All of the praise for Patrick 1764 01:33:19.619 --> 01:33:23.239 Stewart as Captain Picard might encourage you to, you know, 1765 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:27.020 slowly dip your toes into the world of Next Generation 1766 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.199 beyond the episode or two that we've watched together. 1767 01:33:30.430 --> 01:33:33.050 I was going to say, yeah, I mean, I've appreciated 1768 01:33:33.529 --> 01:33:36.890 the ones that you've shown me because they've been amazing 1769 01:33:36.970 --> 01:33:39.329 and they've been great standalone episodes. 1770 01:33:39.649 --> 01:33:39.909 Yeah. 1771 01:33:40.149 --> 01:33:43.460 It's been easy to, a good way to ease me in. 1772 01:33:44.340 --> 01:33:46.399 because i don't need to know what had happened before 1773 01:33:46.420 --> 01:33:50.279 or after so i've enjoyed them uh you know i'll 1774 01:33:50.300 --> 01:33:53.140 take some more suggestions and then yeah hopefully maybe i 1775 01:33:53.180 --> 01:33:53.920 can start it. 1776 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:58.090 Up i i have begun a rewatch of of next 1777 01:33:58.130 --> 01:34:00.510 generation after after his passing i was like it's been 1778 01:34:00.550 --> 01:34:04.470 long enough um and i will say don't don't start 1779 01:34:04.489 --> 01:34:07.670 with the first season necessarily they were still working out 1780 01:34:07.710 --> 01:34:08.130 the kinks. 1781 01:34:08.210 --> 01:34:10.569 Yeah, that tends to happen. I know people say that 1782 01:34:10.590 --> 01:34:12.510 a lot about The Office and Parks and Rec. 1783 01:34:12.829 --> 01:34:16.729 Yeah, exactly. Simpsons, we were just talking about that. The Simpsons, absolutely. 1784 01:34:17.850 --> 01:34:25.069 But just what a presence, what a loss. I'm still 1785 01:34:25.130 --> 01:34:28.590 saddened by it, but also gladdened that we have this 1786 01:34:28.649 --> 01:34:31.829 body of work that we'll be watching and experiencing again 1787 01:34:31.850 --> 01:34:34.720 and again for decades to come. Yeah. 1788 01:34:35.100 --> 01:34:38.260 Yeah, something I hear often that

I really love is, 1789 01:34:38.579 --> 01:34:39.819 may their memory be a blessing. 1790 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:44.149 Very true. Yeah. So I think that's a good place 1791 01:34:44.189 --> 01:34:46.270 to leave it for this discussion. What do you think, Brian? Yeah, 1792 01:34:46.609 --> 01:34:54.439 sounds good. A lot of passings to Mark, but I'm 1793 01:34:54.500 --> 01:35:00.079 glad we were able to have kind of an Irish wake. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 1794 01:35:01.260 --> 01:35:03.380 But hey, let us know your thoughts on any of 1795 01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:05.380 the folks that we mentioned or any of the topics 1796 01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.590 we discussed. You can email us at moviefilmpodcast at gmail.com. 1797 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:11.489 You can also hit like on our Facebook page, facebook.com 1798 01:35:11.510 --> 01:35:15.630 slash moviefilmpodcast, and message us there. As always, please go 1799 01:35:15.649 --> 01:35:17.630 to Apple Podcasts, leave a review, leave a star rating. 1800 01:35:17.670 --> 01:35:19.569 Every little bit helps. If you're listening to this show 1801 01:35:19.630 --> 01:35:21.949 on YouTube, please hit like, hit subscribe, and leave a 1802 01:35:21.970 --> 01:35:24.439 comment because we do read those on the show. We 1803 01:35:24.449 --> 01:35:26.020 also have a Patreon page, right, Brian? 1804 01:35:26.300 --> 01:35:29.800 Yes, if you head over to patreon.com slash moviefilmpodcast and 1805 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:32.960 hit subscribe. For only $ 5 a month, you'll find every 1806 01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:37.979 commentary we've ever done, every episode moving forward, absolutely ad-free. 1807 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:41.510 We also drop bonus conversations over there about twice a month, 1808 01:35:41.550 --> 01:35:43.149 which are a lot of fun, which you can only 1809 01:35:43.210 --> 01:35:46.590 find exclusively over on the Patreon feed. Our free feed 1810 01:35:46.609 --> 01:35:48.569 will always be available, but this is our way of 1811 01:35:48.590 --> 01:35:50.590 providing what we think is the most satisfying way to 1812 01:35:50.630 --> 01:35:53.689 enjoy the show. No ads or interruptions budding in. Plus, 1813 01:35:53.729 --> 01:35:55.789 your subscription goes a long way in helping to support 1814 01:35:56.029 --> 01:35:59.149 us and helping to sustain producing the show. So if 1815 01:35:59.170 --> 01:36:01.869 you're interested and able, please head over to patreon.com slash 1816 01:36:01.909 --> 01:36:03.930 moviefilmpodcast and subscribe. 1817 01:36:04.210 --> 01:36:07.390 We'd be very grateful. And if you're looking for me online, 1818 01:36:07.409 --> 01:36:09.289 you can find me on social media at Zachy's Corner. 1819 01:36:09.329 --> 01:36:12.329 That's Z-A-K-I-S Corner. You can also find my reviews at 1820 01:36:12.350 --> 01:36:15.170 the San Francisco Chronicle and also at The Wrap, where 1821 01:36:15.210 --> 01:36:18.390 my review of the Muhammad Ali series, The Greatest, is 1822 01:36:18.489 --> 01:36:20.550 up right now. So check that out. What about you, Brian? 1823 01:36:21.029 --> 01:36:22.949 You can find episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals 1824 01:36:22.989 --> 01:36:25.039 and Young Jedi Adventures streaming on Disney +. 1825 01:36:26.300 --> 01:36:28.539 And with that, on behalf of my partner, Brian Hall, 1826 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:31.340 my name is Aki Hassan. This has been Movie Film 357. 1827 01:36:31.340 --> 01:36:32.840 We'll catch you next time. Thanks, everybody. 1828 01:36:34.779 --> 01:36:38.840 Someone once told me that time was a predator that 1829 01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:42.069 stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time 1830 01:36:42.130 --> 01:36:44.909 is a companion who goes with us on the journey, 1831 01:36:45.789 --> 01:36:51.449 reminds us to cherish every moment, because it'll never come again. 1832 01:36:51.470 --> 01:36:57.659 What we leave behind... is not as important as how 1833 01:36:57.699 --> 01:37:02.880 we've lived. The potential to make yourself a better man. 1834 01:37:03.779 --> 01:37:05.600 And that is what it is to be human. 1835 01:37:06.619 --> 01:37:08.460 To make yourself more than you are. 1836 01:37:12.020 --> 01:37:15.520 It's been an honor serving with you all.

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