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Welcome to Ohio State Nation. This is the Buckeye Central Podcast.
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I'm Buckeye Heddle. I'm your host, Connor Smith, joined by
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my great friend and the best recruiting insider in Ohio
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State media, TJ Warner. TJ, I'm going to regret asking
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you this for obvious reasons, but how are you doing?
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Not too well right now. Not too well. I just
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watched Ohio State put together. I would think out it's
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just hard to put it in words. Like I think
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Ohio state put on the worst performance they've put on
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in the Ryan day era outside of the 2024 Michigan game.
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So not too well right now.
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That was also, he lost to an unranked team last
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night in USC lost to Michigan versus his only two
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losses against ranked teams. And I, I don't even, I
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don't want to say USC is bad at football teams
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or not like, but, That was a horrible performance last night.
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I don't know. We talked about it before the show.
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I don't know what happened to the Ohio State that
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we saw two weeks ago going to Bloomington and play
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a pretty good game despite losing Julian Sane. They looked
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horrible yesterday. I think saying they looked horrible might even
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be sugarcoating it. I talked to somebody today. Typically, the
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thing with Brian Day and Urban Meyer is everyone loves
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Urban Meyer, but you have to remind them. Urban would
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have at least one inexplicable loss once a year, every
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year or every other year. Ryan Day did not have
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one of those until now. This is the first time
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I have seen a Ryan Day-led team, well, he's the
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head coach, get punked. They got punked last night by
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Lincoln Riley. He has now gotten punked by Lincoln Riley
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and Steve Sarkeesian in the same season.
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Yeah, I don't want to take away from, I think
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USC is a good team. I don't want to put
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that away. I think they were looking ahead and got
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caught looking ahead against Wisconsin the week prior. But yes,
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I think USC is a good team, so I don't
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want to put them in the works of, oh, that's
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a Purdue loss, or that's an Iowa loss that are
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under the Urban Meyer era, where they got beat by
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30 in both those games on the road at night.
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I'm not going to put that in those type of
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loss categories, and I'm not going to put it in
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the 2024 loss category for Michigan. But I think it's...
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it's the way the effort was and the coaching was
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and certain play calls and the rest of the team
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outside of Luke Fahey. I just, I just didn't like
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what we saw total package on the field. It goes from,
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you know, O-line play, terrible O-line play. And we're, yes,
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we're running the ball well, but I don't know if
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that's more so on the O-line or USC taking bad
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gaps or and USC being a really bad run defense
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team to begin with. Wide receivers dropping passes from Luke
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Fahey when he puts them on the numbers. You know,
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like the defense taking completely terrible angles, and USC, the
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elite run-suffering defense that we've seen the last three or
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four games for Ohio State, those same plays are getting five, six,
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sometimes 15-yard gains now. It's very mind-boggling, and the penalties.
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Don't start on the penalties. I think that's the most
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penalties they had in a single game I think they
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said since 2023. 11 penalties. That's unheard of in the
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Ryan Day era, and that's why it's so abysmal. Yes,
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the box score might tell you that Ohio State won
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time of possession, one yard, stuff of that nature. But
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the effort and the urgency and the whole sideline atmosphere,
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it felt like, was just really off yesterday. and I
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don't know what the deal is to that, coming off
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a bye week especially, you would feel like they should
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have the highest effort of, all right, if we get
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this one, like we said on the podcast last week,
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if Ohio State goes out there and gets this one,
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they're going to have a chance to make a really
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good run into the college football playoff. But now that
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climb is a very uphill climb, and you've got to
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win out to get in the college football playoff, or
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you've got to get real lucky, and a lot of
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other teams have got to lose if you lose one more.
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The idea that Ohio State controls its own destiny, yes,
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but that road is not easy. And they're going to
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have to go out there and beat four good teams
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in a row, four good defenses in a row. So
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I'm not feeling great on this, what is it, Sunday
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afternoon as we're recording, and this will go out Monday morning.
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So not feeling great right now, but maybe we talk
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through some things. I let it out. Maybe we feel better,
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but I don't know. We'll see.
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Not right now. I'm going to bring up some haunting
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stuff just because I feel like it's necessary. Ohio State
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had 10 more first downs than USC. They were better
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on third down. They outgained USC by 126 yards. They
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had more passing yards. They had more rushing yards. They
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had the same amount of turnover, so no one lost
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the turnover battle. And Ohio State had the ball for
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40 minutes. If I would have told you that on
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Friday night and hit the score– you and everyone else,
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including USC fans, including Lincoln Riley, would have probably said, yeah,
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we got whooped. Ohio State just came in there and
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took our lunch money. It wasn't that at all. Ohio
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State won the game overall on paper, at least, but
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the margins, man. USC in crunch time, it seemed like they,
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even though they weren't great on third down, four for 10,
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it seemed like they always got that third down conversion.
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They always got the third down conversion. They always hit
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the chunk play when they needed it, second play of
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the game to Trent Mosley. Jay Timmons was a big
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loss solely for that play. And then for Mark Bowman,
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that's probably going to be SC's number one play of
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the week. My goodness, man. And with special teams, people
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may not give it its credit because it is special teams.
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I think that played a huge factor in the game
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last night. Joe McGuire did, to be frank, Terrible job
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pinning USC deep. Would it have changed with the defense
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playing as poorly as it did? I don't know. But
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you got to believe that better special team to execute
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made a difference.
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Yeah, I just– overall, man, I just don't like the
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effort and urgency. I'm going to go back to that because, like,
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it just felt like that team gave up early. You know,
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after that second play that they go– House calls for
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a touchdown. USC had the momentum right then and there.
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And they just felt like they kept the momentum the
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whole game. And when Ohio State would try to climb
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back something else, USC would respond and keep that momentum.
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So it just never felt like they could end up
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getting it. Because Ohio State, let's be frank, they made
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some good drives in the first half. It's just when
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every drive you go ends up in the red zone
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and you end up with a field goal. Guess what?
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USC is going to feel like they won that drive.
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You were able to drive almost the length of the
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field and then force you into a field goal. Some
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of the play calling down in the red zone just
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doesn't make sense. Some of the urgency doesn't make sense.
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When you're down three scores, you're going to have to
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play with some urgency and get to the line of
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scrimmage and not take 40 seconds in between each play.
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That's why you're winning time of possession. It's not a
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good thing you won time of possession down three scores.
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You should be playing with some urgency. When you're down
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three scores or seven minutes left, let's go out there
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and move the ball quickly, not take a five-minute drive
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to be possibly down eight points, but instead you go
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down nine points because you go for two. Some of
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the play calling, it was awkward. Some of the defensive
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play calling at times was awkward. They got to find
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a way to get pressure, so they're bringing more guys.
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Because they're bringing more guys and still not getting there,
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they're getting caught in the back end. It's just How
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do we find a way to make this team play
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with the effort and relentlessness that they've done earlier in
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the year? And that team just did not show up
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one bit against USC. And I've been saying this for
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a long time, too. I think Ryan Day, under his
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era at Ohio State, has done a good job of
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showing up each and every week and the consistency each
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and every week that they play to the same standard.
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And you don't really see the drop-offs. I commented on
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that last week on our podcast, and I'm like, even
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with a new quarterback, I feel like we'll still see that.
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This is the first time, really, outside of that Michigan
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game in 2024, the National Championship team. That's really what
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that game compares to. What is this team? This is
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not the team that we've seen all year, even the
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Texas game, even the fourth quarter Texas game. We didn't
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see this team. Why do we see this team for
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four quarters? That doesn't make sense at all. You see
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the frustration on the sidelines by certain players, too. Like,
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there's nothing. I can't even put it into words, really,
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of how this feels for Ohio State fans. And I
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put out a tweet right after the game, and I'm
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always the optimistic and, you know, Glaff has full type,
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and I don't ever overreact. I feel like I don't
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know if this team makes the playoffs. Like, they look
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that bad of... if that team shows up even one
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more time in the next four weeks, they're going to
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get beat by any one of those
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on their schedule. I think that's a real possibility. They're
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going to have an uphill battle. They got to play
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Oregon Northwestern at home these next two weeks, and that's
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not going to be two easy games. Nebraska at Nebraska,
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that's a tough place to play at. And then, obviously,
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the rivalry game. Michigan's got a great defense still. Are
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they figuring out an offense? I don't know if that's
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the case, but that's one of those games where their
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worst team in the last 10 years beat our best
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team in the last 10 years. So, like, you can't
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really throw that under the bus of like, yeah, we're
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going to kill Michigan. It's just not what it is
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in that game ever. So to go four and over
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the next four weeks is going to be really, hard
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for Ohio State. If they get anything like that effort
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that they had in that USC game, they're going to
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lose one game for sure.
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The effort is– the reason why it's so concerning to me,
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obviously you never want to play with a lack of effort.
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But when you look at the roster, especially the defensive side,
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Kenyatta Jackson, Edrick Houston, Earl Little, Jalen McClain, Jermaine Matthews,
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Peyton Pierce, who else am I missing? Zion Grady, Quay Rousaw,
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John Walker, all veteran guys. This is a veteran-led team.
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I understand maybe not to the extent of the last
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two years at Ohio State, but there's a lot of
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veterans in this team. And when you have shown a
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lack of effort, Really throughout the season, I think you
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saw it defensively against Illinois. This is a very comparable
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game to the Illinois contest, except in this one, USC
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took advantage of their red zone opportunities. They scored 20
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points in the red zone, went four for four, did
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a good job. But the lack of effort by the veterans, dude,
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it's an issue. I will say this. I have no
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issue with some of the guys getting rowdy on the sideline.
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I'll put it that way. I'm sure we've all seen
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the video of Jermaine Matthews Jr., Jeremiah Smith, obviously looking frustrated.
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I have no problem with that whatsoever. If you're not
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acting like that, it means you don't care. Some people
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show it differently, but number four and number seven, those
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dudes came to play yesterday. They came to play. Luke Fahey,
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I feel like, came to play. Speaking of which, it's
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not his fault. So many fans joined the post-game show
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last night, and so many fans posted on social media
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saying it was his fault. It's not his fault. You
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could have put Julian Sane in that game, and they
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still would not have won.
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They wouldn't have. A bunch of people text me that
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are fans of different teams, and they're like, yeah, Luke Fahey,
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so bad, so but, whatever. I'm like, we had a
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true freshman quarterback come in in a scenario where everyone
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on the podium this last week is like, all right,
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we got to make sure we help our guy out.
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We got to help our guy out. We had procedural
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penalties that were not on Luke Fahey. constant false starts,
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constant illegal formations. Like, what are we doing? Wider Sears,
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when he puts the ball on him, yes, he had
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a couple of overthrows last night. I mean, that's, yes.
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I'm not shocked by that, though, either. But we put
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the ball on him two or three different times, and
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we have key third-down drops. Like, that would keep the
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drives going. Those would be big plays, and those would
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be like, oh, man, Luke Fahey had his moment there.
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But no, like, just because Wider Sears dropped the ball,
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now it's like, oh, Luke Fahey's bad. That's not the
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case at all. The offensive line, I think, had its
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worst pass-blocking game of all time, and there was two
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sacks last night. Two sacks. He was able to evade
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the pocket. Yes, he didn't make the best decisions once
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he got out of the pocket sometimes, but he was
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able to evade the pocket. He picked up a first
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down with his legs one time, extending plays and throwing
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the ball downfield a couple times, finding the tight end
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for a big third-down conversion. Like, those are growth plays
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that you don't see true freshmen usually make. And I
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think that's a big deal. Like, yes, there was only
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two sacks last night, so people might say the offensive
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line didn't play that bad. They played terrible, terrible pass blocking.
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And speaking on the offensive line, yeah, people can say, well,
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they ran the ball for so much yards. Like, the
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running backs look better. We played against a really bad
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run defense. I think they were in the hundreds or
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almost the hundreds in run defense this year, up until
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this year. Wisconsin beat them with 58 passing yards. The
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way they ran the ball all over them, if Wisconsin
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can run the ball over them, I hope Ohio State
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can have their best rushing attack against a really bad
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run defense. I mean, that's what it comes down to.
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I'm sorry to go ballistic on the offensive line and
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everything like that, but the rest of the team played really,
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really bad against a team that they should not have
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played bad. This should have been a game that they
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showed up for because they won this game they were
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going to be sitting in a really good position going
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through the last four games knowing they had a game
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to lose still. Now they don't have a game to lose.
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They still control their own destiny, yes, but that climb
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is going to be so much harder to do. And
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when you see effort like that from, like you said,
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veteran guys, that's really hard for an analyst to see
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and think, wow, what is... What's going on in the
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locker room? What's going on down there? Do they not
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agree with some of the coaching styles? Do they not
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agree with personnel styles? What's going on down there? Because
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the lack of effort is really, really worrisome to watch.
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I think you hit the nail on the head with
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especially the running game. Everyone's going to look at that
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and say 204 yards, great. You rewatched the game this
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morning as we're filming this. I feel like a good
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portion of those runs, Well, yes, there were holes opened up.
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Isaiah West or Bo Jackson got hit like two yards
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past the line of scrimmage and then carried you guys.
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There were very, very few runs where it's like, hey,
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they opened up like a big lane and dude hit
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it and went. I can't find the number on stat broadcast.
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I'll have to look at PFF later. But there had
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to have been at least 100 yards after contact, at least.
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It's probably around that range. But I will say Bo
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Jackson played really soft in the first half and definitely
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answered the bell and came out and played a lot
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harder in the second half. So I will say props
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to him for picking it up. I think he had
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to with how good Isaiah West ran the ball in
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that first half. It got to a point where I
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was like, all right, why would you ever take Isaiah
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West off the field? Because he's consistently running for five,
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six yards a carry when he shouldn't be getting one.
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at times, or he was breaking out the– he had
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those two long runs back-to-back, 10 and 12 yards back-to-back
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in the first half. Like, all right, keep feeding this guy. Like,
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he's running with a purpose when Bo Jackson just wasn't
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to start the game. But props to him for figuring
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it out and trying to help out his young quarterback
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at the end of the day and play much better
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in the second half. But I don't know, man. Like,
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it's– Bo Jackson also had a really bad drop as
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well when that would have been a walk-in touchdown. Um,
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so it's, it's, and that was another key third down
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that we ended up kicking a field goal. So like,
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it's just like, I don't think there was a single
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person out there that really had that great of a game.
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And that's, I don't think, I don't think that's crazy
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to say either. Like you were terrible in the red
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zone and you weren't efficient at all. Um, and it
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had to go down there, kick field goals. Like you
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got what you, like if, if you told me the
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game that you got out of Luke Fahey last night,
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If you told me he threw 38 passes, I'm like,
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what in the world are we doing? Why is he
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throwing the ball 38 times? It's because we were down,
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and we ended up having to throw the ball. Then
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the lack of urgency, and I just don't know what
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else to say besides this team did not show up
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to play last night, and not one player had a
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good game overall. No.
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Well, 38 pass attempts, 19 of that came in the
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fourth quarter. I went back and forth with it on
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someone on Twitter last night. They agree with the running
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the clock in the third quarter, which I think– I'm sorry.
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I'll just be frank here. If you agree with running
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the ball and running the clock in the third quarter
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while down three touchdowns, you're an idiot. You're stupid. You
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don't know the game of football. You don't have any
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common sense about yourself. Running is fine.
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Quarterback too. Like you've got to get him in a
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position to win. And they just– like I hate to
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say it this way. Like before the week you talked
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about we can't put it all on Luke Fahey's shoulders.
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We've got to put him in a position to win.
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And we don't want him to have to– like, we
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want him to go out there and not lose the
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game for us. That's pretty much what they said. Well,
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they never even gave him a chance to win the
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game for him either. Like, they didn't give him a
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chance to lose the game. They didn't even give him
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a chance to win the game. So, like, it's just
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so frustrating to go back even to watch it this morning.
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I think I just got more frustrated watching it back
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this morning than I even did watching it live.
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Well, it's because when you look at how it started,
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the first quarter, Luke Fahey was 6 for 8 for
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81 yards. You're like, okay. He had the interception that
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was overturned. But you're like, okay, like dude's showing some grit.
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Like he's got some swagger to him. He can push
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the ball down the field. Second quarter, two for seven.
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Not necessarily his fault. We talked about it before the show.
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Between the second and the third, he was five. And
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the majority of those came on third down where he
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was third and seven, third and six. Obvious passing situations.
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They did not put him in any positions to succeed.
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I think like another thing, another thing to think it too.
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Like if you would have told me the game that
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Luke Fahey had before, before the game started, I'd be like,
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Oh yeah, he missed a couple of throws. Yeah. Fully
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expected that. I wouldn't come out to think that Luke
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Fahey is the reason we met that game was lost.
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I think if anyone comes to that conclusion, then they
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don't know anything about football. Like I hate to like
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call them out that way. I hate using the word
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like casual, but like, Luke Fahey did not lose Ohio
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State that game. It was just a lack of total
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team effort and urgency by the play calling and the
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coaching staff. The defense did not tackle well at all,
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and that goes for everyone across the line, including Kenyatta Jackson,
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including Jalen McClain, including all the linebackers as well. That's
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a whole group unit that didn't tackle well. And they
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gave up big plays, and that's something that Ohio State
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hasn't done in the last two years. So that's not
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helping the true freshman
quarterback out, Wide receivers dropping key
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third-down passes. That's not helping the true freshman quarterback out.
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Offensive line having their worst pass-walking game. That's not helping
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the true freshman out. Having the most penalties in the
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game since 2023. That's not helping the true freshman quarterback out.
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You expected the rest of the team to pick up
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the slack when Julian goes out because you don't need
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a Heisman finalist back there to win the games. They
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proved last night they need a Heisman finalist back there
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to win games. If you need that, Luke Fahey's not
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going to be your guy as a true freshman unless
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he takes a massive leap, but you didn't think that
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you needed that. They needed that last night against USC.
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That's the sad part.
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One thing I do want to bring up, I'm sure
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you watched Ryan Day's press conference last night. Somebody asked
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him why the slow tempo in the second half. And typically,
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I agree with what he says. I think Ryan's a
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smart guy. Ryan's forgotten more about football than I'll ever know.
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But his answer to the tempo question was, we went
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three and out in the first drive, and then... And
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he essentially said the first drive come out of halftime
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where they went three out was the reason why they
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didn't go tempo. What are we doing? That was a
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two minute drive, two minutes and one second. Are you
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telling me that two minutes dictates the next 28 minutes
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of your entire offensive game plan?
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It was, it was interesting to say the least of
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they felt like they needed the long sustained drive. Cause
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that's where it sounds like that's where they, they think
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Luke is comfortable doing it that way. Cause then he
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can slow down and process it. And he's not, It
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sounds like getting Luke sped up is not good for
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the offense is what it came down to. And that's
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what it felt like watching it. But it comes down
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to it. You got to at least try. Like I'm
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at the point where I don't know if I don't
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care if Luke's ready for it or not. You got
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to try. You're down three scores in the middle of
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the third quarter. It can't get any worse. You're taking
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eight-minute drives. You can't do that. If you're going to
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do that two more times, guess what? USC is going
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to win by going three out the next two times
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they have the ball, and they don't care because you're
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taking eight-minute drives to drive the field against a really
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bad defense. Putting up 18 points against a defense like that,
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I'm not shocked at it. I thought they would score 20.
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I knew they'd be around that range. I was like,
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even with the backup quarterback, even if Luke Fahey played terrible,
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I thought they would score 20. I'm not shocked at
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all that they were around the 18-23 range. It's kind
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of where I expected them to be. But, again, it's
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not a great defense. So you can't go out there
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and go up 30 and expect to win either, though.
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So it's a whole team effort. I'm not saying it's
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just one unit or the other. I'm not saying it's
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offense or just defense. The whole team played bad. The
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coaches didn't coach their best game last night. I think
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everyone would agree to that. And let's move on to
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the Oregon game, and hopefully they can flip the script
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going into next week.
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We're going to do that, but real quick, I want
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to bring one more thing. I saw this on Twitter
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this morning. I went to check it. These are the
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lists of schools this season that have scored more points
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on USC than Ohio State did last night. San Jose State, Louisiana, Lafayette, Rutgers, Washington,
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Penn State, Wisconsin.
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How many did you name? How many was that? Was
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that six?
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Yep.
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So there's only one more team that didn't score more
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than Ohio State. Who was that? That's more of the compelling.
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Fresno State got shut out, 39-0. Besides that, 26 to
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San Jose State, 30 to Louisiana Lafayette, 35 to Rutgers,
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41 to Oregon, which is not a shocker, 21 to Washington,
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23 to Penn State, and 24 to Wisconsin. And then
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Ohio State puts up 18 points. Yeah, I mean, that's
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just– And it's not on Fahey. The only guy that's
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hurt him offensively, Luke Fahey, Bo Jackson, Isaiah West, Jeremiah Smith.
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The rest of the guys were inconsistent at best.
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And I'm not even trying to say that Jeremiah Smith
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played bad either. Obviously, he was getting bracketed and held,
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and a lot of eyes were on him in serious
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moments for good reason. Like, he's a generational player, wide receiver.
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They got him the ball as much as they could
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probably get him the ball that night. Maybe they missed
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him one time. I truly do think that. USC just
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put an emphasis on Jeremiah Smith's not going to beat us,
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even though they'll target him a lot. And he made
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some good catches. I mean, good for them for dialing
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up some plays to make sure Jeremiah gets the ball.
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I fully agree that the play calling to get Jeremiah
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the ball was good. I'm not ever going to downgrade
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or disregard that fact of it. It's just everyone else,
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getting everyone else involved, just felt weird and not like
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it wasn't something that luke was comfortable with all night
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and it just were when you're in a constant position
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of uncomfortable you shouldn't be that way in ohio state
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you should be able to be able to kind of
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dictate what you want to do on offense and they
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were not able to do that even though they they
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were able to gain so much yards but not finish
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off the drives at the same time like it doesn't
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make like it just doesn't make sense it doesn't make
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sense it's not going to make sense so on to
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oregon
and we go i guess and hopefully they learn
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how to score some points in the red zone this week.
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That's all you can do at this point. And this
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is how I look at most games, losses and wins.
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The day after, I'm a lot more calm because there's
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nothing you can do. You can't go back and change
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the outcome. The only thing you can do is go
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back to the drawing board and try to be better
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the next week. Oregon's coming in next week. And off
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a fresh comeback win over Northwestern, Dylan Ryla threw for
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over 330 with three touchdowns, no picks. Had an 83.6 QBR.
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That should scare you if you're Ohio State. If you
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put that kind of defensive performance and give that kind
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of effort you did against USC next weekend, Oregon's going
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to shred you. Oregon might drop a 40 bomb.
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And their defense is looking– I know they gave up
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a lot of points to the Northwestern. Their defense looked good.
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A lot better than it has in a couple weeks past.
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It was more so Chip Kelly dialing up some crazy looks.
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For Northwestern, I'm sure everyone's kind of seen that floating
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on Twitter the last couple days of certain plays and
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certain formations that Chip Kelly just dialed up crazy for Northwestern.
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And Aiden Childs looked great as well. But it's more
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so like this Oregon team as a whole. I think
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they have something to prove. And they're going to come
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into Columbus really ready and wanting this one bad. And
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if Ohio State doesn't wake up, they're going to be–
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three losses going into three games left, and that's not
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somewhere where you want to be, where you've got to
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go 3-0 in the last three weeks. Because that's the
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last thing. We were already sitting here saying, well, if
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they go 4-0, they're in the playoffs. But if they
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lose this one, they have to go 3-0 to even
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have a chance now. To even sniff a seat at
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the table, is what I'd even call it. So that's
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not a position you want to be in. So if
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they go out and win this one, I think you
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feel a lot more confident. Because I think Oregon is
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the best team left, talent-wise. On the schedule, but are
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they the best team overall? Probably not, left on the schedule.
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But we'll see. We'll see how this one goes. It's
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going to be interesting to see how they respond. I
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think that that game should light a fire under the
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coaching staff and the whole roster to kind of get
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behind their new quarterback because it's looped the rest of
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the way. That's just what it is. I think this
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game should light a fire under them, and if they
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don't respond well against Oregon– This season could get ugly quick.
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Extremely. One question before we close down shop. I'll put
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you on the spot. Actually, I won't. I sent you
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the script. You can get over it. At this moment,
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right now. Of course you didn't. At this moment, right now,
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does Ohio State make the CFP?
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If they go 4-0 and 10-2, they definitely do. Again,
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I put out a tweet last night. If they give
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anything like that effort was last night, I don't think
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they make the CFP. And I think that's truly fair
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to say. Yes, they have three of their last four
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at home. None of them are going to be easy.
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They're all going to be close games. Can they win
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close games late? They proved it against Indiana. But can
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they do it any other time? I don't know. I
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don't know. And we'll see. I think the offense has
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looked extremely different than what we expected against USC. and
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the procedural penalties are crazy. The lack of effort in
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defense is crazy. So I'm going to say no right now.
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I think they lose one more of the last four
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and finish the season 9-3, and they have a seat
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at the table, but is 9-3 good enough to get
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you in this year? If there's ever a year to
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go 9-3 and get in, it's this year. But I
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don't like leaving it up to the committee hands because
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the committee is known to do some bad, bad rankings.
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So we'll see Tuesday. If they come out, because right
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now we're, I guess we're Sunday evening. They came out
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at number 11 spot in the AP poll. If they're
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higher in the AP poll in the culture ball rankings,
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maybe around like seven or eight, then I would, maybe
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that would sway my decision of like, that kind of
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gives them some breathing room to lose one more.
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Yeah.
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But no, if they are at 11 or 12 in
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the CFP rankings, they can't lose one more. That's just
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not going to be the case.
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Absolutely not. I'm, My brain tells me no. My heart
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tells me that Ryan Day is going to get it
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together and find a way, like he has the last
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couple years, to make the CFP. It's going to be tough, dude.
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It's going to be really, really tough for them to
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do this. Luckily for them, they do get three of
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the next four at home. This reminds me a lot
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of Alabama last season, where they lost to Oklahoma with,
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I think, three games left, and it was like, got
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to win out. Like, no ifs, ands, or buts. Ohio
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State at this moment, unless my calculations are wrong, they've
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got the tiebreaker over Indy. they still would get into
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the big 10 title game over usc because usc has
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two conference losses ohio state has one i can see
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this being a scenario where ohio state wins the next
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four games and gets a third loss in the big
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10 title game and at that point it's in the
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committee's hands I don't think they'd punish them. They didn't
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punish Alabama, but we'll see what the Big Ten bias shows.
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If they get in the Big Ten championship, I think
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they're comfortably in, no matter what the outcome of that
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game is, even if they get 50-piece somehow, some way.
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But
I think they should be in comfortably if they
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make it to the Big Ten championship. So I just
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don't think they'd make it in the Big Ten championship
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with two losses in the Big Ten. That's more my
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stance on it. So we'll see exactly how it plays out.
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But I think there's an uphill climb. I guess we
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kept saying before last week, if they win this USC one,
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it feels good to have those four games left. And
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you're like, oh, we can drop one and be okay.
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The chance of going 10-2, it feels good. But I
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bet the college football playoff percentage chance for Ohio State
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dropped dramatically after that USC loss.
606
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Texas still at like 74%. That's insane.
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That's just insane to me. Maybe it's brand bias. I
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don't know. Um, but if Ohio state makes it, makes
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it at nine and three, if there's ever a team
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00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.539
to make it in nine and three with brand bias, um,
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00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:05.799
big 10 bias, I mean, it would be Ohio state,
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but it's, it's going to be tough. I think they
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got to win out. Uh, I do think they control
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their own destiny. So that's a good part. If they,
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if they go four and over the next four games,
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that means they got way better than they played against USC.
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And that's a good thing. And I'm hoping that happens, but,
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Ryan Day and the staff is going to have to
619
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figure it out of how to play around Luke Fahey,
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and this defense is going to have to figure it
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out to step up because you can't go up 30
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points and expect Luke Fahey to go out there and
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score 30 for you. That's just not what we're even
624
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trying to do on offense right now. The offensive play
625
00:31:36.589 --> 00:31:38.730
calling is not even trying to go score 30. We're
626
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trying to slow the game down and look like the
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2025 Ohio State Buckeyes. Slow the game down, win top possession,
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and only have the defense out there for six to
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00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.660
seven drives a game. If you get up 30 points
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and six or seven drives a game, you're not going
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to win the game. That just is what it is.
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So we'll see how it is going forward. But they
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got an uphill climb to go to make it to
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the college football playoff.
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