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Speaker 1: Welcome to Checking In with Michelle Williams, a production of My Heart Radio and The Black Effect. On this upcoming episode of Checking In, I am going to get the low down from Noby Brown. We're gonna talk about as much as we can, hair care, skincare, what it's like to work with Tyler Perry, and being on this hit series Sisters. So stay tuned, listen of everybody I know. Every week you hear me say, we are excited about today's episode of checking In. She's best known for her role as a series regular on the hit BT series Sisters. She's a model, natural hair advocate, so many things, photographer like, She's got an amazing, amazing resume and we know some of the same people. Please welcome to Checking In. Novie Brown. Hey, everybody, thank you for having me. I'm really really excited to be here, especially with somebody I've been watching my whole life, and I'm just happy to see you in your next phase and your purpose of your life, which is communicating and and talking about mental health and bringing a lot of these conversations to the forefront. So thank you, thank you, no V, thank you, and y'all. She is skin is glistening, money. That hair is curled and coiled to perfection. Let's get right to it. I'm a fan of Sisters and me have done a little bit of TV work behind the scenes. I'd be like, how do that stuff be looking real? If you know what I'm talking about some of those scenes, be like, I've been like, wait a minute, right, congratulations on another season. And so you've been on the series for a few seasons. Now, how has this experience been for you? Noby life changing? And it came right before the pandemic too, so I don't know. I felt because I had been auditioning for so many years, and you know yourself as a performer, you know what it's like to go in and get a bunch of nose. I mean, we interview more than any other people in the world, so we're constantly going in and I have been used to it. And right before I got the basically i i auditioned for the show, I was like four d dollars in the hole on my rent and I'm not really like want to be behind on my rent. You know, I'm a hustler, but at that time, I was transitioning out of my survival job and I was trying to find something else to do so that I could, you know, continue on my path. And my mother and I went on a on a cruise. It was because the family friend of ours put us on a cruise together because we hadn't seen each other in a few years, and you know, just reconnecting. And I remember I broke down and I said, when is it going to be my turn? Like I've been doing. I thought, I'm doing everything guys telling me to do. I'm getting a job, I'm going to classes, I'm working, I have three jobs. I'm i moved, I'm out of my comfort zone. What else do I have to do? What else do I have to do? You know? At that point, I was just like, you know what, God, I don't even care anymore. Wherever you want me to be, just put me there. I don't even care if the vision is not for me anymore. Fine. And I feel like a lot of artists get to that place where maybe this is not the path for them. And I was really one percent at peace with not being in front of the camera anymore, because I was like, Okay, I have other strengths. I'm a great writer, I can produce content. I enjoy being in this space, I want to talk about black women and how we're looked down as a screen and what our visual images in this world. Just put me where you need me. And then literally twenty four or forty eight hours later, I got an audition for Sisters, and it was like, and mind you, Michelle, I did not want to audition because I'm crying, I'm in my feelings. I'm over it at this point, you know, and I'm just like, you know what, I'm done. And I hadn't had that that many breakdown throughout my journey, but it just had been thirteen years, you know, no guest star, no co stars. I got commercials, I did theater work, I did print work, but it was nothing. Nobody was letting me speak on a bigger stage. Like it just wasn't happening for me. And so I got the audition. I ended up going. I auditioned for it. I didn't hear anything. So I was like, Okay, Well, at least I could pay my phone bill, because you know, they give you per diem, which is they give you money to like hang out for the day. And I said, oh, let me take this. Any I was like pay my bill, you know, because that's where I was, and that was my reality. And then a month and a half later, I got a call and they said, hey, we want you to read the role of Sabrina. Because I auditioned for Karen first and then right and then in my heart Michelle, I knew, I knew it. I said, oh, they want me. It's just a matter of if I can do this or not. Like and I had never said that out loud before because all the other times I just throw it, I give it out to the universe like it is what it is. But this time I said, no, I know they want me. So I went in there, I did my thing, and then four days later I was on set and I was filming this hit TV show that I never knew would be a hit TV show. So so what was different when you said no, no, they want me. What happens? Because I just read something the other day that was like this is how how should I say this without giving it away? So most of the time when you go into an audition, you know they don't want you when they say thank you for cleming, or they say good work, great work, and that's it. Yeah, okay, yeah, so for you, this is for somebody that could be acting. We're giving you a hack. Now if you walk into a room and you audition and they just say great work, you didn't get it. But what was your experience on this audition to know that they wanted you? So I didn't get it. But the point to is to make a fan, right, because they say it takes an average seven times to go into a room before casting director can remember you. So you have to do like this thing where you keep reintroducing yourself to the person. So but this time I knew because I hadn't heard anything for so long.
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And then I got a phone call and they said, we want you to audition for another role. And Kim Coleman is calling you in. And Kim Coleman is a huge industry I love her. She's giving thousands of people jobs. And she had me come into her office and this is how I knew. She said, So, how did you like Atlanta? As him said Ms Coleman, I loved it. It was great, a great time. Thank you, thank you so much for sending me out there. Had a great time. And this is after I had in my audition, and so that to me, it felt like okay, like she's trying to hit thats something, you know. So that's when I really felt, Okay, yeah, you might really have a bigger shot than usual. So so good. I have been in a few auditions with Kim Coleman. She knows me, but since of I just think she'd be be a nice because of the Michelle Williams. But there are lots of times, majority of the time it's been God bless you. It's a no, we thank you. We'll be calling you for other auditions, right, nice work, nice work, and and people were like, Michelle Williams, you got auditions. Yep. I've walked into some rooms where people are sitting in the hallway and you would be shocked at who has to the people that were sitting in the people that we're sitting in the hallway. So nobody though you are on this hit show like that, don't automatically mean you're gonna get a role unless someone knows for a fact I created this role for you. You don't have to audition. Please tell them again, because this is just the beginning, you know, this is the start of my career. Like you have to go hard. There's a lot of talented people in this industry, which is amazing, and there's a lot more roles now for black women, you know, but there's already prerequisite. Gabrielle Unions on the list. You know, she's been out here for thirty something years. Ryan Destiny's on the list. She's been on here for like eight years or so. There's other people ahead of you. So essentially, what I think, honestly is the show got me closer on the list. That's really what it did. You know, it gave me more visibility, as in, oh, we can look at her and she's somebody that we can actually audition for something because you know, she's part of this universe and the Tyler Perry universe. If you know anything about it, y'all will give us our props. Because we film all twenty two episodes and ten days. Ask Angie, did she not talk to you about this? I ain't know. Twenty two episodes and ten days, ten days, ten days. Angie films all her scenes on one day. I film all my scenes on one She'll only be working like two days like physically women, Wait a minute, yes, how you be off book that part? So definitely we have our scripty, and scripty is a position So that's why I always tell actors, look at how many different positions they are on set. But if he is a script supervisor and they can tell you your lines, right, But at the same time, we have to know our lines because it's only one take. Like Tyler, don't play none of that. You come in, you have one time. We have to rehearse on our own. We have to do our FaceTime, we have to go over each other's houses, whatever the case may be. But we have to be off and so we have our readers there. Shout out to all of our readers. They're sitting with us. We're in the makeup chair, they're sitting next to us for the hour and a half. They're reading the lines, reading the lines, being the lines. But yes, I've done sixty pages before lunch, before like in one take. So anybody who goes there, cast crew, whatever position, you are getting a crash course when it comes to this business, I promise you. The second question literally was what is Tyler Perry's creative process and how is it to work with this amazing soul? But you already gave it to us, So y'all don't sleep for ten days, that's for sure. No no, we don't sleep. There's no sleep, m wow. And we're on hold too, which is something I had to learn throughout the time, because he can call you up say you're off, but you're not off because you're on hold. Now he's calling you up because maybe he went two sacks on some other scenes and now he has time to do more scenes. Now you're getting called in to do more. And there's been times where my I thought my day was over, but then he'll go like, come on back in, you want to do another scene. What I'm gonna say, Michelle, I must say no. I'm gonna say you can't like no, I can't do it, Okay, So for no, I'm doing the scene. So for at least ten days, you're not planning no dates, You're not going. Mama can't fly in the visit really if if she does, she gonna be home alone or watching you on set. Just right, that hair appointment where you thought you was gonna get your braids canceled, canceled nails, canceled massage, and could you imagine that call sheep? You come in at five am and then it says you can go home at one pm and you didn't made that appointment for two that was not the right thing to do, because that's happened to me before I've left set and I've been called back. So it's like you just have to be But I'm telling you it makes your improv is sharp. You know, your mind is so sharp, Like you are so much smarter than a lot of other people because you're you're thinking so quick. And the good thing is when he tells us to slow down. When he tells us to slow down, that means we're good, Like we're we're we're on his speedlers. Because he's like, slow down, now, y'all can chill. We're like, okay, yovie, I love this. My heart is beating fast. Gosh. It seems so intense. And by the way, I live in Atlanta, so one of these good old days, I was like, I want to just come and shadow a process and just you know, y'all kill It's so respect and admiration for you just amplified multiplied by a thousand percent. Knowing like y'all don't have much time to film these series, but still you make everything look so real, the emotions and how y'all connect acting wise, it's like you're talking to a sista you're talking to. It's insane. The chemistry is insane. I don't even
know how he did that because just the physical time, and plus we did one season and then we went straight into a pandemic. So the second season that we did, and we were the first show that came back in the whole world. People don't talk about how there's a show led by black women that were the first to come back during the pandemic. And so we went back and we didn't even have a chance to be next to each other, to rehearse, to talk, to touch each other, to do any of those connection work that you would do, which is hang out and you know, sleep over each other's houses and just talk and whatever. So Kim Coleman, Tyler, Mark Swinton, Raven Drummer like that. I don't know how they casted this cast, but the chemistry between all of us is just so good on screen, and I'm grateful for that because we just don't have a lot of time, so it's it really does solve a lot of problems. This is incredible, y'all. This is the first fifteen minutes and we've come out swinging. I feel like your story within these fifteen minutes. It's so encouraging to somebody else who's literally ready to give up. But I feel like if you didn't give up, I feel like you just did a surrender, Like you know what, let me breathe this. I surrender my life, my goals to God, Like, let me stop trying to manipulate this, let me stop trying to perform and be great. You got you. Listen. If you just want me to eat candy corn because I love candy corn. If you just want to eat candy I just that's just what I'm gonna do. It's like I feel like in that moment, it's like, Okay, I trust you because you trust me, here's this audition and it's a yes, and you're a star on this hit series. That makes me very emotional because that's exactly what it is. I feel like my whole dream's changed there. I feel like sometimes when God plans to seed in your head, that's just a seed. It's not the entire tree. It's not the fruit from the tree that you're really getting to. And then being under somebody like Tyler, who is an owner of his own business, you know, they just put it put a different energy in my field and what I can accomplish for myself. And then seeing young women likesa Ray, seeing people like Shonda Rhymes, you know, seeing these black creators really come out and take ownership. Oh, has really inspired me to move a different way. Absolutely well. By this time next year, I'm excited to see like what you put your hands to. Thank you. I'm excited. I'm excited. And now on the show, your hair one minute it's like in full locks, the next minute is just coils and you are a natural hair advocate. Yes, and I know a little it about what happened. You got a bad hair cut, there's something right, and you were like, uh, never again go into that for us. Basically, I I read somewhere that a lot of black women are primarily taught by black white women. So our teachers are white women, the women we look up to for aesthetics, or white women, the women that we look up to for business, our white women. Because we don't see ourselves out there enough. And so it was the moment when Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise like cut their hair real short. You know what I'm saying. Yes, you remember I was young, y'all. I was young, and I went into the Dominican hair salon. And if anybody knows anything about Dominican hair salons in New York City, you already know what I'm talking about. I go in and there's a language barrier. I'm showing them the photo like this is what I want. This is what I want. And I had like really big hair at the time I got the hair cut. It was I was working at Urban Alfretters. They had that circle rap skirt out at the time. I remember because I put it around my head because my hair was so short, I couldn't even touch the back anymore. That was an evolutionary change for me because that I was when I'd be decided to not get perms anymore, decided not to shake my hair anymore. I decided to just let that go because my hair is kind of kind of soft anyway, because I don't really need thank you so much. I don't need much relax her and so, you know, I just stopped going. But I remember I had cut my hair short. It. You know, I got oh, I can send you a picture, like I gotta step dropping in the chat. You know, I gotta say, I gotta send you a picture. I'm gonna look for it down. And so I remember I got this haircut and my mom had a short cut though, because she's from you know, she's like that nineties mom, So she had a short cut and she was just like, well, um, I was like, She's like, I think you made a mistake. I said, I think so too, but I have to figure this out. So I had to go through, you know, my cow licks and trying to edge it down. But that's when I got into the band Two Knots and I got into the curly putting cream and I saw my natural hair curl come back, and I was like, oh, this is interesting. And then I started booking commercials like back to back to back to back, and it was so weird because I have been auditioning with my straight hair and it just wasn't working. And I said, well, maybe maybe this is what I'm really supposed to look like. And I feel like that's where a lot of my spiritual journey reignited. It got restarted, and then I started learning about hair and hair culture and what it means to Africans and what we did with it and the stories behind it and how it can be the antennas to the universe. And how it is deeper than you know, just something on your head, that it really is a part of you. So then I just really started researching, and I started taking a lot of hair risks, and I just really started falling in love with my own hair. I and I said, this is how I want to show up as an actress. I want to show up this way. I don't I don't want to wear the wigs. Don't get me wrong, Like you, I'll do a little half piece of wig that's curly, but I want to I want to just do natural textures. I want to see our hair like this on screen. So what year was this infamous haircut? Two thousand eleven, So that was literally eleven years ago. So the
question is has natural hair been embraced more within the eleven years. Yes, it's absolutely changed. I think there's still a lot of learning to do in the industry. You know, we get underserved when it comes to hair and makeup often on sets because there's just not a lot of knowledge in cosmetology school. They don't teach you how to corn roll, and they don't teach you about our different hair textures. So I think there's still a lot of room. But as black women, we had to get comfortable with it first until it could be you know, advocated for in professional settings. So we have to advocate for ourselves first and be comfortable within ourselves, and then it can transfer over into the fessional spaces. And not only do we have to advocate for ourselves with hair, but advocating for ourselves with makeup. Yes, yes, because I still saw some girls that fashion week still struggling this year, and I'm like, that's unacceptable, that's unacceptable. And artists to artists, you know, like, don't you just steel whack as another artist that you don't know how to do this? Like, honestly, do you not feel as if if you're not doing your absolute best, that you're not learning a different skin tone, a different skin type, that you're not learning different different textures? Like why don't you want to know your full cry? Absolutely, that's no. I absolutely agree. Um, a young lady she did my makeup at Montreal. She's Haitian beat. My face was incredible, but she had just done might have been New York Fashion Week, and she was saying that they were putting the same kind of lipstick on each girl. I'm not even talking about foundation, and she was like, you cannot put the same shade of red on every skin tone. And people were in shock that she was instantly adjusting the lip, even if it was just lip liner, to make a difference, just how she was studied their undertone and on she needs this one with the blue undertone, not the orange, Like, why don't you know your color way? Isn't this part of your job? I don't understand. Maybe they think, why do I need to learn my color way when I'm only probably gonna work on black skin once a year. The majority of my clientele, the majority of my jobs is for white skin. I'm not I'm not making the excuse for them. I'm just wondering. I'm with you, what's the thought process here on why? I got many testimonies of when Destiny's Child, When I first joined the group in the year two thousand, we would go overseas, say to London, and we do a photo shoot and we would have to adjust our own makeup, even how they touch our skin. I'm like, don't be afraid to touch my black skin, touch it the same way you would touch someone else's skin. Y'all. That was before we had a big enough budget to fly in our own makeup artists with us makeup artists, which money cos money a lot of my couse, you're because you have to fly them on the plane. You have to get a room for them, and all they they need a way they write. Even say on movies set, everybody's not in the union, so you might be stuck with somebody that he, like you said, has not studied their color. Away you're breaking back. Well, I mean listen, and I know it's expensive, Like, don't get me wrong. Makeup is very expensive, So I know it's hard to get like twenty one different foundations, but go go to support and get the samples, like get the little samples, you know, just just get the freest up why you can now and just mix this sample and practice. Don't wait till it's fashion week to do it. Don't wait till you got to do something on the Today Show or something and you ain't never worked on black skin or black hair. And you remember that thing with that girl on the hair and from was in the Morning Show. Oh my god, it was like, I feel like every black girl in the world was like why why and she just sitting there like this. I was like, oh my God, I know it hurts. I know that hurts. It's just not fair. So I don't know. Just learn skin if you're if you're working with skin, get into your esthetition bag, like learn skincare too, because as we're wearing makeup every day for two weeks, we need our skin to be rehabed. You know, so is it ali vera, is it coconut oil, is it a cooling pat something? And I've just realized that because we have to be prepared. You're the performer, I'm the performer. We're on stage. Our skin has to look good. You can't have us out here day one and I'm filming the same films clear skin, and I got stuff all over my face. But yet my face has to match the scene that I've done from like a week ago. So it's continuity that's getting messed up. Now, it's taking the person out of the performance. You know. It's so many Yeah, listen, Like I said, I was looking at something according to TV over mind dot com and how I was able to learn ten things about you, and it was constantly drilled like nob does not play on the advocacy of natural hair and make up for women of color and so thank you so much for that and taking a chance and having a voice, you know, because there's a risk to in and having a voice. I wanted to get your take on um mental negativity and self sabotage, and you seem strong on television, but you weren't. You weren't like that. Maybe an interpersonal relationships and did any of this with hair and skin and makeup didn't have an effect on your mental health? All the above, I'm mental health is a constant journey because we don't quiet ourselves down, you know, we don't detach ourselves from other people's thoughts and ideas. Especially now with social media, we have access to so many other people's mental health and so sometimes we don't even know what our own is anymore. So it definitely takes a toll on you when you are in a space of performing and you want to be seen, right and there's only but so many spaces for so many people to be seen, and so it could it really impact you in a way that if you allow it, it can make you feel bad about yourself. If not, and if you flip the script, because there's
always two versions of the same story, you can just say, well, I'm meant to be where I'm meant to be, and then that folds over into your life everywhere. So for me, my mental health practices include mental meditation. I have a therapist that I definitely got. As soon as I got in the business, I was like, oh my god, I have health care. Now I could get a therapist. I'm so excited. I really want to make sure that I have longevity. And art is subjective. It is a personal experience, and you might resonate with something you wrote twenty years ago today more strongly than when when you wrote it twenty years ago. And that's the thing that's a beautiful thing about art. And Penn Badgley, one of the actors from You I Love that show, he said that we are social commentators. We comment on where society is today, and so that's how I can really keep my mental health intact. I thought that was very poignant. I said, yes, I am a social commentator. I just happened to act it out. And so even in the show Systems Is, we're acting out how a lot of relationships are playing out today. It doesn't mean it has to stay this way. It doesn't mean it this is the only way for it to be. So those are some of the things that really helped me keep my mental o them packed. And yes, it also does worry me and stress me out sometimes when I go to set and somebody does not know how to do my hair, does not know how to do my skin. But I have to continue telling myself that you're building a bridge, just like a knee along, just like Dorothy Dandre It's just like Cecily Tyson, you are building a bridge. You're building a bridge, So just continue doing that work. And that's where I can really just kind of heal my mental health and know that it's for a bigger reason. It's for a spiritual reason. And when I keep that in mind, when I keep my community in mind, and all the young girls that want to be actors, that want to be in this space in the future, and I'm showing them that you can do it with whatever body type you have, skin type, hair type. I'm helping in that way. So I just really try to give myself a lot of grace and space, because that's really what mental health is at the end of the day. Absolutely, And when you think about as far as young girls are concerned, I mean some of us are old enough to remember living sing Yes, some of us are old enough to remember girlfriends. Yes, But you've ushered in something for the girls of this generation. Just have sisters like y'all are amazing, and representation absolutely matters. I love when you talked about meditation because you have your own YouTube channel it's called Conversations and Constellations where you focus on astrology, but you also talk about anything you like. But when you mentioned meditation, I also mentioned how you've done fasting or you've talked about fasting on your YouTube channel. Um, why did you choose this topic of constellations Conversations and constellations? I mean, everybody talks about energy. I think everyone believes in energy, and and I feel like astrology is just another way God you is many the tools to speak to us. Some people hear God through music, some people here see God through pictures, and I see God through astrology. That's the closest that I feel to God right now in my life, and that's what I really am into. So I was like, okay, but it's also holistic. It's mind, body, and soul. I'm very much a nerd. I'm a researcher. I have a lot of books but knowledge is nothing without action. And I really had been an advocate around food because in the Black community when it comes to food, we don't have the right practices. We have a lot of issues with diabetes and high cholesterol and it kills us. And it's something that it has been in my family. Rampants and because I've been in the hospital a few times just from accidents and having to like learn how to heal myself. Like when I was twelve, I was hit by a motorcycle, so I had to like learn how to walk again. So I've been through a lot of physical I'm a scorpio, you know, close to death, Like that's that's the thing. Like I get close to death a lot. And so through those experiences, I had to learn how to heal my body. And when I was younger, I didn't have the spiritual language to do it, so it was more of the physical. And that's when I became vegetarian and vegan and paskeyterian and all those other things. And I don't think anybody needs to do anything a hundred percent of the time. I think it's a nice little balance, you know what I'm saying, Like you can eat raw vegetables and and and you know what I'm saying, and still have your little steak on the weekend and your little lambs, but not every day. You can't eat that stuff every day and then think you're gonna have good mental health as well. Because the gut, he is the second brain, it is the second right. This is all connected. So you are what you eat. And so fasting and detoxing, I just thought about how much how much we consume, how much I constantly put into my body all day every day, with about giving myself a break and um, through my detox healer, I went to Thailand. I did a fast this year for six days. So happy I did it, and through her I healed inflammation in my legs. I was able to sleep better. I cleared my skin. I mean, I've been blessed with really good skin, but even I was going through it because I was booked so much this year and my skin was mocking up. I said, oh no, we gotta figure this out. Like I'm not gonna be walking around you know what I'm saying. My my face is getting messed up. And so through that, I learned that we can heal our bodies through fasting through rest, and that is really how we can cure a lot of the ailments and the disease that we get. So it's just it's just really important to me. There's no point in living this beautiful life and not being healthy and not having my health, because even when I was going through my face where my money was circulating around and I didn't have a lot of it in my
vortex and my reality, I would still have my health, so I could still hustle down on and make this move, to make that move because I focused on my health. So it's just really important. Was there anything that you had to eliminate that you just loved or craved? Oh my god, so many things, so many things. I definitely love candy, y'all, like I love me and goo Snickers bar. You know, I love me. I love me a lot of those things. And I love my mama's fried chicken. I don't eat none of that stuff anymore. I haven't had her fried chicken. I don't know how many years, how many So it's been years since you've had just Oh yeah, no, I've I've had fish in the last few years because I've been traveling a lot and I've been grateful to go in to different places, and a lot of places might not have vegan options. I'm not that girl who's gonna be like, we have so you are vegan. I'm mostly vegan. Yes, yeah. I have a personal Facebook page and I got on it because I was using it to lark on my then younger nieces and nephews because I was like, what are you what y'all posting? But now they're in college. They're in college. One is a senior in high schoo So I was like, well, I don't really have to lurk that much. They're doing good. They're doing pretty good. They probably dam and stuff through the people that, of course Auntie is not gonna be privy to. So yeah, right right, that's the business. But I saw something literally yesterday that said you do not have to put all that smoked meat in your greens. Don't. So I'm cracking up reading the comments. Somebody said just say you vegan without saying you vegan what you or just say you can't cook if you don't know how to cook, and some people are like, okay, you know what you right, I don't need smoked HAMHOWK, But I do put smoked turkey, But a lot of the comments did say if you put the right spices and the vegetables, you actually don't Okay, So no, if you were to do has no flavors to texture. Y'all are obsessed with now the smoke, the smokiness though, but maybe that smoked turkeys. There's smoke, there's liquid smoke. I say, Thanksgiving, it's coming up. Okay, how are you gonna do the greens? I mean, the greens could be done with the smoke, liquid, smoke, paprika, smoke, tumeric, any of the things that you smoke. You can also take your spices and char them in the walk. You can also go and take your spices, put them inside like aluminum foil, a little bit of oil like whatever you're smoking, and put them on the grill and have your charcoal smoke that. I mean, I'm not no master chef, but it can be done, y'all. It's just a texture that everybody's used to. I promise you if you made all this stuff without the spices and would not taste good. Now I'm with you on that because I love a good like sawtap cabin. So sometimes it's just done with onions and peppers, seasonings, and so I'm with you. My vegetables, everything don't have to be inundated with meat. But it was so funny that you brought it up that I've literally just read
that post and those comments absolutely correct meat. But it's a mental thing, Michelle, it's a mental thing. I feel like we really need to understand that a lot of that food was sprat food, and we have to understand that there's no problem eating chip linds here and there, but it's not for us. You know, you can go back to your blood type diet. You can go to your tribe diet, which is like eating from the tribe that you actually originally come from. But even in other countries in Africa, meat servings are little handfulks. And this is coming from a girl who used to eat her steak medium rare, like give me my four tea out I wanted with my slap of freaking potatoes. But there's also this thing called food combining, which we're not putting the right foods with each other so they can't digest properly. It's a scientist, it's the whole thing. This is a whole another topic, because now you're making me think of the foods that we're eating an only does it affect our gut health. They're finding certain foods not all reproductive health, fibroids, endometriosis, pcos everything, Michelle. If we were born in the stomach, and now whatever we put in our stomach is either agitating it or it's healing it. It's one of the love it. Whatever we put in our body, great point is either agitating it or healing it. That's it simplest. And you just gotta figure out what's what makes it work for you and what doesn't make it work for you. Yeah, this has been the most well freaking rounded conversation. I like to respect what people have going on. There's podcasts and other channels, and so you give relationship advice if I'm not mistaken on your YouTube channel a little bit, just like just like no, because I don't want to say I'm qualified for that. I give advice on how you show up is your most authentic self to have a healthy relationship with other people. That's it. If you're authentic to yourself, the other people who come in your life can only match the energy that you have. Okay, that's all that A relationship is so just work on you. You're gonna draw on the right people. And the other thing that I like, you said, you will always be the villain in someone else's store. You say it's inevitable, It's inevitable. All right, listen, this is awesome. Can you tell us about any of your upcoming projects that we need to be listening to or just do we forward back to your YouTube channel? What's going on? So many things are going on. I've had such a blessed here. So y'all know, Sisters already dropped season five on October twelve. You guys can catch it on b EC. Make sure you guys hashtag us this is on BT. We're back for running it. I also have a movie on two be called Alone in the Dark, So if you like thrillers, it's giving Disturbia energy. I had the same stunt double as Angela fast set, so you know, I'm getting my life together over here. Exciting and the i'st things. I have another holiday movie coming out later this year called The First Noel on BT. I don't know the date yet. And then the last thing is Conversations and Constellations got picked up by the Black Women's Network, which is a black women streaming network called the b W Network that there's content for black women created by black women, So please go ahead and check that out. And thank you guys so so much. Are working, working, and I'd love to see it. And perfectly you're carving time out to check in with yourself, check in with others, and check in with God. Thank you for being here, nov thank you y'all. This girl is busy, busy, busy. I am so glad that I got a chance to have this amazing conversation. It's amazing when conversations can just flow and they just kind of go quickly, like we start going, like to seconds into the conversation. You know, sometimes you know you gotta warm up to the person a little bit. It's like we've known each other forever and that we kind of shared similar experiences in the industry as a woman of color, as a black woman. Right where Woo child, I did a project not too long ago, and that's why we got to get more people in the union that know how to do dark skin, what is considered dark skin, because honey, if not, you will be looking like a dry erase forward, okay, the white one. If you don't have the right people who know how to do your skin tone. It's what are we doing? But ayban who, I was so glad that that we could talk about that. But outside it is getting better, much better from when I came in the game. But every now and then you will run into some doozys who don't know what they're doing. Okay, So I just absolutely love her. I hope I get to see her or sneak on the set of Sisters one day since it films here in my city, my new city that I reside in, Atlanta, Georgia. Any Who, I just love y'all and continue checking in. 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