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Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Thursday, November 12th. I'm
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We are actively working on getting that resolved, but until
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We're going to have to do those exclusive to our members.
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So we'll still be talking with our buddy Ross Fulton
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of BuckeyeInsiders.com to break down the Ohio State offense against Oregon.
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And honestly, Ross, with the way things went for extended
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periods of time, not being able to see the plays
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might be a feature, not a bug this week. We're
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going to start with, let's, I mean, I guess this
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all starts up front, right? I mean, this is a
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lot of the issues that they've had have started with
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the offensive line, both in the run and the pass.
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We're going to start on the ground and we're going
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to start with one where it played the play looks
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like it's kind of set up for success and then
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isn't nearly as successful as it probably could have been
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because of some issues up front.
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Yeah.
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I think like from like a very, you know, 10,000
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foot perspective, like as we talked about earlier this week,
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like the defensive scheme is affirmatively hurting them. Like it's putting,
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they have a good enough talent on defense, but they're
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being put in bad positions. I think offensively, like, There's
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things that I will quibble with, and I'm going to
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talk about some of them here, but by and large,
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I don't have a huge problem with the scheme per se,
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and I think Arthur Smith is being adaptable to what
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they're seeing. I just don't think Julian Sane and Jeremiah
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Smith were covering up a lot of the issues, and
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without Sane, they just don't have that very much talent
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on offense at this point, putting aside Jeremiah Smith. They're
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average on the offensive line they're average at running back
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they none of the other receivers really scare you we've
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the you know tight end position is a complete you
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know dumpster fire for lack of a better term to
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be overly harsh maybe but you know they're getting sub-average
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tight end play um and so it just you know
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they only the execution is only so great so yeah
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like first years of the game and they had a
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good opening game design you could see like you know
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i think Per Bill Landis, his count at least, they
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only had four plays where they were even.
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In 12 personnel.
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So a lot of 11, very spread out. They had
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a couple of nice designs on the opening drive. The
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one that Jeremiah Smith dropped in the end zone was
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a nice cover four beater. They got him on the
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backside of the safety, jumping the dig route in front
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of him. The 39 wheel against, they correctly ID'd that
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Morgan was going to be a man there. They ran mesh.
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So there's some good stuff, but there was also like
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signs of problems going forward, even on that first drive.
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And so this is a good example, right? Particularly in
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the run game. So they're open 10. So again, like
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very spread out with trips. They run like a now
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smoke screen relief coupled with inside zone. And I do
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think inside zone is the play that
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they've blocked the
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most consistently this season. And like you saw throughout the game.
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And like, I, I still think that like the way
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they need to go is like, more up-tempo inside zone
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compared with, you know, these reliefs and RPOs. But like,
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you know, they got five on five in the box here,
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two high safeties and three over the three receivers.
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And they, you know, don't block. It turns into a
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five yard gain.
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Bo Jackson kind of misses the hole and then kind
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of gets back to where the hole should have been
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and does break a tackle. But like, you know, head
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up nose guard, which is a difficult block for the center,
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Carson Hinsman, but he just like can't, control it. You know,
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I probably would like to see them maybe have Luke
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Montgomery step that way and help. And you just kind
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of ride them all out and have the natural cutback there. But,
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you know, as you said, like if you can't block
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when the numbers are even up up front consistently, it's
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going to make things difficult.
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Next up, we got one where it's a counter play
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and it looks like it's one where they're sort of
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set up for success and you have at least one
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misassignment and boom, all of a sudden your big play
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turns into not a big play.
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I mean, this is like another area where people have
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called for them to run more gap scheme or counter.
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And they did do a decent amount of it, but
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like they really had trouble in running it. I Dean
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who to block. And so I think this happened like
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across the line here. So we talked about on defense,
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how Ohio state boxes counter and how that causes problems.
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Like Oregon's playing it to spill here.
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Right.
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So that the defensive end sees Philip Daniels go to
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block down and he like really closes down.
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And when you, the backside guard, in my opinion, Luke
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Montgomery should then log the end, right? Like you have
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to have your eyes on him. You see him coming
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down and you log him. Instead, he goes even wider
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out for the outside linebacker coming off the edge that
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requires that Nate Roberts to try to redirect and deal
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with that defensive end. And then Philip Daniels, he needs
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to know that the backside linebacker has now become number 11.
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He's blocking him and he instead blocks no one. And
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so that leaves the mic unblocked. Whereas if you just,
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do it correctly. Montgomery logs the end. Nate Roberts kicks
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out the outside linebacker. Daniels picks up the mic. Then
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you've got a big hole there and it's done correctly.
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And so they just had issues with counter all game.
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Like I talked about 11 personnel, like that doesn't excuse
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their choice in 11 to like play Benny Christian, like
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however many snaps he received over 10 snaps, at least
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as the single tight end, like they ran counter again.
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And he, messed up his identification and went out to
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a corner who was already being blocked and left the
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play side linebacker unblocked. So, you know, if just throughout
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the game, like this could be an issue of like,
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you know, trying to do both like zone plays and
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gap scheme. And it's just like, they don't have enough
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practice on any of them could be a problem with
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how they're being taught to, to identify things. But like, again,
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it just sort of short circuited counter until legend Bay
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actually ran it pretty well late in the game. It
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was they just kept having unblocked defenders by not being
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able to execute it correctly.
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All right, the next two plays are both plays where
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it felt like these were ones that kind of got
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singled out after the game as kind of low key,
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really important plays and ones that I think had a
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lot of people upset. The first one, it was a
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second and three that suddenly turns into a third and
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seven and That was one that, man, it really felt
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like it took what was a promising drive and pretty
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much killed it.
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that didn't go well. I do think, though, that they
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probably got away, particularly in the second quarter, from consistently
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running the football. On this play, they just got into
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a seven-yard gain. I would have liked to see them
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run it a little bit more. Instead, the biggest thing
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that I would criticize, and we've talked about this, is the.
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The heavy amount.
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Of vertical routes down the field repeatedly, like, like this,
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like three verticals, four verticals, like wide cross, like in
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like just overly hunting shot plays. Like they, like as
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soon as they get like in a situation where they
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think they can take a shot, they try to do
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it like here. I can't quite tell if this is
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supposed to be like a fake now screen to Devin McEwen.
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It kind of looks like it Luke Fahey doesn't though fit.
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Usually like if you're doing that, you kind of fake
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the throw to try to draw the, coverage in, but
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either way you end up with a three verticals route
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on Tampa too. And like Oregon just ran it particularly
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like as the game went on and they got a lead,
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they ran a ton of temp Tampa and like Ohio
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state just keep looking for these vertical throws. And it's just,
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it's putting a high degree of difficulty on a freshman
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quarterback to like, you know, I saw someone say like
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he could have, if he held on like throwing this
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to Jeremiah Smith, I mean, that's really dropping in in
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a bucket with a safety over the top 40 yards
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down the field.
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Um, And then there's nothing in between.
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And so teams know that like Ohio State's running all
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these vertical routes. And so they just get a ton
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of depth and they don't really have to worry about
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like this, like the middle of the field's wide open here.
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And so they, but they don't really have to worry
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about that. Like, yes, I guess Luke Fahey, like he
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should have come back probably to Bo Jackson to the
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other side. If you're, you know, really want to quibble,
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he kind of went through the reads quickly and just
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dumped it to McEwen and it ends up being a
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negative play, which would have been worse than incompletion. But yeah,
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Just repeatedly over and over, they're just trying to push
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the ball too vertically. As I've kind of said and
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been a broken record on at this point, we'd.
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Just really like to see more intermediate routes.
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And even if you're trying to push the ball downfield,
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have some sort of underneath route coupled with it.
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It's funny because as you're talking there, I'm thinking, well,
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it seems like the OSU defense is doing all the
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things to defend the OSU offense in practice. And then
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when you get different stuff during the game, it's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa,
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middle of the field. Since when? But that's a whole
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different show.
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Yeah, the stunts too, right? Like Ohio State can't pick
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up like stunts and twists. It's like, well, Ohio State's
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defense hardly ever runs them. So maybe they just have
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like never see them.
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Yeah, that's a whole separate show. We'll get to that
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at some point, I'm sure. But- The next one, this
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is another one that people were talking about a lot
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where this was, I think it was a fourth down
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and it was, you know, Jeremiah Smith looks kind of open.
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And so why does he throw it to Jeremiah Smith?
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And I think the answer is because he's not looking
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at Jeremiah Smith.
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Yeah, I mean, this is actually a third down. So
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this is another one of those critical. This is the
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third and two that then led to the fourth and
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two where Luke Fahey was. ran the sprint out and
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both Devin McEwen and Jeremiah Smith were open and he
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dumped it at McEwen's feet.
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So that was, you know, they were still in the
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game here. This is this one hurt.
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And so that's why I say like when I sort
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of temper my critique, like, yes, I think there's too
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much vertical, but there is some good stuff they're doing too. Like,
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and you are seeing like a more increase. You know,
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we've seen a lot of mesh. And so here they
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run mesh pivot. Uh, this is probably most famously in 2018,
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Ohio state ran this, uh, against Michigan after like running
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all those mesh routes, because, you know, you're, you've got
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a team who's like in cover one and they're, they're,
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you know, they gotta feel like they gotta beat the crossword.
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you know, as you say, like they set this up
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really well. In fact, they even like kind of set
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up to look like they're running, um, that like lead
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swing pass to the bottom that they often do where
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the tight ends blocking for the running back. But he,
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then he runs the middle sit route and Bo Jackson
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goes to the wheel and just, you know, Luke Fahey,
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he just, he gets sped up. He never gets, I
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don't know why he's wet about his, uh, the read itself,
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like led him to the boundary side of the field
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because that's where the safety is coming down. Um, I
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would think he would work right away to Jeremiah Smith. Uh, so,
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you know, I, I just think he got, as the
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game went on, like he got overwhelmed. They, you know,
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they couldn't run the ball very well. As I said,
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they're not doing there in some ways. They're like, they're not,
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you know, dumbing down the offense at all for him though.
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high degree difficulty throws on him. Like whether it be
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like spread out reliefs or, you know, if they want
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to get back into 12 and do like outside zone
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and some bootleg off of it, like with easy high,
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low reads, like they're just, they're, you know, giving him
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full field reads against, you know, too high coverages to
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deal with. But this is obviously an unfortunate one. I
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do not think it was like they forgot about Jeremiah Smith.
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I just think like Luke Fahey was very sped up
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and for whatever reason, like he, you know, kind of
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lost his sort of sense of what was going on for,
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for part of the game.
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Well, it was not a complete loss cause of Luke Fahey.
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We're going to end with a couple where they end up,
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there's one nice throw and one nice run from him
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on these last two. First one, this feels like you're
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talking about all the stuff they're trying to do downfield.
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stuff a little simpler for him, like this is just
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a relatively simple RPO. And it feels like this is
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something he can do and they can probably execute somewhat consistently.
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Yeah, I thought this is what he looked most comfortable
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doing in the passing game was these they ran a
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couple of these backside glance RPOs off inside zone. Uh,
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you know, you've got the, just the single route to
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the bottom, you've got the dragon, which is like a
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slant flat to the top. And, you know, he's just looking, where's,
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where are the safeties? If there's one down, I can,
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I can pull and go to that side. And so again,
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as I was just sort of saying, like, I think
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he has decent arm strength, but I don't think he's,
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he's super comfortable in like the bottom line is he
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hasn't been, he's got a low completion percentage on these
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vertical throws. Um, So where he looks most comfortable is
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like the short spread out RPO stuff. Like, you know,
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I think they kind of have to lean even more
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into this like tempo run, you know, a lot of
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inside zone RPOs and reliefs off of it.
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And as you said, try to make it easier.
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If you want to do different stuff, you probably have
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to bring back some like 12, as I said, and
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like bootleg off of it because teams just aren't really
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respecting that vertical. They're just playing or sitting on, I
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should say those vertical throws and, Try to get him
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comfortable because, as I said, on these ones, he does
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his best at setting his feet instead of throwing off platform.
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All right.
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And the last one, we have some real true history.
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The first two-point conversion in the history of the Ryan
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Day head coaching tenure. I double-checked that stat a couple
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times about a week ago. Like, have they really not
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ever converted a two-point conversion? They really had not ever
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converted a two-point conversion until they did. And, Ross, it
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felt like they maybe took your advice here.
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Or maybe Brian Davis was like, I'm just going to
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show that Ross Fulton guy that we can run the
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quarterback in the low red zone when it doesn't matter
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at that point. But I do think, you know, not
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to prove my point here of how running the quarterback
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in these areas helps, but you can obviously spread out
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a lot, right? So you have four wide receivers, organs
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in cover one, but then you can regain the number
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by using the quarterback on a design run. Here's just
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quarterback split zone and he walks in untouched. You know,
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to making things easier, like, I thought going into the
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USC game that they would use more quarterback run just
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again to like get Fahey comfortable. I think he can
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do it well enough to like add something to the offense.
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And it's just been few and far between.
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And
again, I think I would try to increase that
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a little bit more as a part of like, not
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only just like reliefs off of inside zone, but like
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use some occasional QB reads, you know, zone, zone read,
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and then, you know, use it again, in these situations
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with designed runs. And again, just trying to make things
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a little quicker for him, a little easier, like one
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or two reads in both the run and the pass game,
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where you can re-equate numbers and rely less on the
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blocking and hitting things downfield.
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All right. So a little bit of a hopeful note
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there on the end of the show. I know the
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vibes have not been great around Columbus this week. I'm
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going to do my very best to bring things up
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even a little more right now by telling you, Ross
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mentioned the two-point conversion and like, boy, you know, they're
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finally doing this in a play that doesn't matter. My
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absolute favorite play that doesn't matter, two-point conversion in the
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history of college football is 2013, Michigan at the very
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end of the Ohio State game as a two-point conversion
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play to win the game. They're down by one. They
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throw a very predictable, like relatively basic route that Tyvus
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Powell picks off to save the day for Ohio State.
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They then go on to play in the Buffalo Wild
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Wings Bowl against Kansas State. They're down 31-6 in the
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final minutes of that game. score a touchdown and then
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run basically an early version, slightly less dressed, you know,
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less dressed up version of the Philly special five years
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before the Philly special to cut the lead to 31
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to 14 at the end of the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.
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And it's like, boy, if you had run that at
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the end of the Ohio State Michigan game, you would
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have beaten, would have beaten at Ohio State, but they
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did not.
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So I will add to that.
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Like, I know I'm saying this stuff, like these plays
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didn't matter, but like, you know, I know, sort of
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in the fandom, there's a sense of like the season's over,
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but they obviously can't look at it that way. And they, they,
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you know, still have a chance if they get help
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to make the big 10 championship and, and other things.
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And so I do think the way Fahey played at
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the end, Ryan day to me during his press conference
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was pretty emphatic that like that Luke Fahey is going
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to be the guy. And, you know, I think he
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sort of, he, he seemed like he was, you know,
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those plays we talked about, like the second, third quarter,
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as I said, it was kind of getting to him.
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And then he sort of seemed to like flush it
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in the fourth and, you know, when in doubt through
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to Jeremiah Smith a few times, which is a good plan. And,
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you know, so I think if they kind of let
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them get in the flow of the game like this,
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I think they have a better chance going forward offensively.
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Well, we will see this weekend how it goes against
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the Northwestern Wildcats. That game kicks off at noon on Fox.
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We will be there covering that for you. Man, there's
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gonna be a lot to talk about all leading up
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to that game. There's a lot of, boy, there's a
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lot on the line this week. Even if you, even
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if it doesn't, if it feels like their season's over,
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as we're all said, it is definitely not. There's still,
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Still some hope for Ohio State, but man, there is
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also a lot that's going to be fascinating to watch
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play out this weekend. We'll be covering it all for
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