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amazing. So he comes into this, most people are thinking he's gonna win. I mean he's he you people who've watched him fight, and probably more people, almost certainly more people had seen him fight than than Foreman, although Foreman did win the Olympic gold in sixty eight, right? So speaker-1: I yeah, and Frasier in sixty four, so you gotta battle. speaker-0: sixty and Ollie in sixty. I mean good lord. speaker-1: You got a battle of you got a battle of unbeaten gold medalists, for the heavyweight title. speaker-0: heaviest hands in the division. Yeah. I mean yeah. speaker-1: So I mean it's and and the reason we remember it now, aside from how the fight went, is you know, Foreman and Frasier are both unan universally seen as top ten all time heavyweights. speaker-0: And I don't think I dispute that. I mean we can we speaker-1: And I don't either. And they're in their prime and we get a prime co sell as a bonus. I mean, that's just icing on the cake. So there's a lot there's a lot going on in the build up up to this fight and the aftermath of this fight. I I I think this this fight had a big impact on the division for years to come. It had an impact on the legacy of both these fighters. It's it's pretty incredible. So while initially I was like, What? The fight of the year is this fight. you know, we'll talk about it, but I think I think maybe the ring was on to something. speaker-0: Yeah, I th I d I really don't I mean, let's face it. This is the thing about Joe Frazier. Say whatever you want about Joe Frazier. yeah. I guess we'll talk about it more more after the fight. So he comes into this fight un undefeated. And and and George Foreman is not yet the the f frightening force that he would be by the time we see a later fight involving him. And of course this is long before his conversion to Christianity, his long layoff and his comeback in eighty seven and stuff like that, which is gonna be really weird and such, but We're a long ways from that. We're still kind of early. I know it's weird to say George Foreman's early in his career with a thirty seven fights under his belt, but it's true. Yeah. speaker-1: Really, but if you think about it, Frazier's been on top of the heavyweight division for about five years, longer than Foreman's been a pro. speaker-0: Yeah, that's pretty amazing. I was I was on I was the best heavyweight before you were even a pro. Yeah, so between these guys, sixty six fights, fifty nine of them won were knockout wins. That's astounding. Although I th maybe you can answer this for me. I'm looking at the records and I see several of the fights were not listed as knockout or technical knockout, they were listed as retired. What does that mean? speaker-1: That means that the corner throws in the towel or the guy won't come off his stool. Right. So it's still a knock. speaker-0: yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically they're like no moss is what they're doing, right? So it's kinda similar to that, or or crying in the ring like great speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Or you got a shtor torn rotator cuff and a bicep tendon. speaker-1: So like when when Mo when Evander knocked out Moor in their second fight, that was the same thing. That was at the end of the round, sitting on the stool, the doctor comes over, and they don't send him out for the next round. So that that's a TKO, but it's also often listed as retired in the in the books. speaker-0: Yeah, and it's so it's pretty amazing. So these guys both are just like people get set up in front of them and they knock them down. That's their job. That's what they do for a living. you know, it Ali was trying to get a rematch. He had gotten beaten by Joe Frazier and he was trying to get a rematch, but they but Frazier decided instead to fight the number one contender in both WBA WBC. This is probably before they would have, you know, stripped him of his title for fighting somebody before fighting this speaker-1: It wasn't a mandatory. It was not a mandatory defense. Frazier agreed to fight him. And and it was interesting they the broadcast I watched today, Butch. I watched a little bit of a little bit more of the pre fight stuff. and Ali was there. or no, that was at never mind. I'm thinking of all I I also watched Foreman Norton today, so never mind. I'm talking out my ass. But yeah. It's It's not a mandatory defense for Frazier. He could have fought any of the top ten guys. He picked Foreman, probably thinking he's a raw up and coming guy, I'll catch him on the way. speaker-0: get him on the way up exactly. yeah, so i it is an interesting choice on his part. the other thing that I thought was interesting is that Kosell takes great pains before the fight to point out that they're this is unusual because the three knockdown rule is not in effect. and I didn't know Yeah, he he's tak you know, he's like not an effect. I wonder if wonder if that's gonna come into play in this fight. We'll see. They have this speaker-1: Just the ten knockdown rule in effect. That's what I'm watching. speaker-0: This the thing, stylistically, these guys are both essentially v the best there is in the heavyweight division at doing what they're gonna do, which is trying to knock the other guy into an into next week, right? But their styles are very different. So Frazier is gonna wanna close that distance and like go to town with, you know, he's throwing the hooks With your elbow cock like you're hanging onto a monkey bar or something, right? He's throwing the hooks that are like this with his arm bent as it as an L you know, and throwing the hooks like that. So he needs to be at close range. He's really good at it. And Foreman is a bomber, but he is not afraid to throw the like the full long open armed, you know, hooks from side to side where he's taking up half the ring swooping that fist around. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, I I will borrow a quote from the Colonel Bob Sheridan from the Foreman Norton fight which I also watched today. And I know you I know you're a

big fan of the Colonel too. he said Foreman is not a great boxer, but he is a great puncher. And and and that's that's true what you're describing. Foreman's not throwing picture perfect punches, but he's he's swinging the anvil from both sides and you might see it coming, but it better not clip ya. speaker-0: I'm just gonna say it here. I'm gonna say it boldly. I'm gonna say it proudly. Foreman's the best puncher in the history of boxing anyway division, no question. Nobody, nobody hits harder than he does. It's a you know, and I'm and I know full well we've seen other guys who hit really hard. But I mean, all you need to see is that is that knockout years and years and years later of Michael Moore where it just looks like a short, straight right hand and it knocked him completely silly. And that's not and he didn't even lean into that. He just kind of flicked that arm out and just destroyed a guy. speaker-1: Yeah, I remember when Evander fought him, Evander said you know, he hit him so f hard it moved him out of the range of the follow up punches. So Foreman had hit him and and if you would have required Yeah, if Evander was still there he probably would have knocked him down with the next punch, but he's too he's out of reach 'cause he knocked him back. speaker-0: Well, it's funny you say the moving somebody out of reach because that's the other thing we're gonna see in this fight is we're gonna see George Foreman without even when even when he's not throwing punches, George Foreman has found a way to completely dominate the style of this fight. And and I th and I think you could, you know, we'll we'll talk about as we go on. I don't want to speaker-1: We'll we'll get to it, but I I this fight reminded me of two other fights we've covered. speaker-0: What's speaker-1: It reminded me of Johansson Patterson won. Yeah. And it reminded me of Holyfield Tyson won for different reasons. speaker-0: Well we'll get into those as we go. Yeah. All right. So maybe maybe unless we have anything else to talk about preliminarily, we can talk about the fight itself and then maybe do a little bit of wrap up after the fight. speaker-1: Like the Boxing Hall of Fame in one ring. I mean you got Arthur Mercante as the ref, you Howard Cosell on the mic, and you got two all time undefeated greats, Frazier and Foreman, fighting for the undisputed title. speaker-0: Yeah, I you want again, Frasier really doesn't get enough credit. He is a guy who fought an undefeated world beater in Muhammad Ali and beat him. And now and now he is fighting this guy who's like, you know, again, I think it's too early to say that that form we know what Foreman's end career stats are. He's an all timer. He's not at this point, but I mean it's like you know, the record stat up in front of him. I always I always caution myself and go, Don't get too hung up on records of undefeated with lots of knockouts 'cause Alex the destroyer Stuart was this guy at one point, right? And Michael Michael Bent was Michael Bent was this guy at one point and You know, and there there's a lot of these guys and then it's just because they haven't fought anybody and as soon as they fight somebody you realize, they are not as good as we thought they were. speaker-1: Yeah, you get a you get a David Tua every generation who looks like a shirt thing and never wins dick. speaker-0: Yeah, exactly. And so so it's not a guarantee that the tools he brings to this are gonna win him the day and like you said, the odds are the writers, the Vegas odds makers are thinking this is gonna be Frazier's fight. I think you're talking you hear Cocell talking before the fight about Fraser's gonna try and put him away early and stuff like that. I was like, Well, you know, the when when doesn't Joe Frazier try to put somebody away early? I guess he doesn't try to put him away first round. They say he's a slow starter, but speaker-1: Yeah. You know what I was thinking, I I remember hearing once somebody said like Frasier never won a first round in his life. But but you know, thinking about it, and you know, I've never not known the outcome of this fight. I've always known it. It's one of those things everybody is aware of. Yeah. But thinking about it, it seems like a good matchup for Frasier. It really does. He you know, he took he took the best of a prime Ali and could get in there and and just hammer away. You would think big awkward George. would be like hitting the heavy bag for him, but we'll see. But I I I think it is pretty astonishing how this fight plays out. speaker-0: Well, yeah, well George has shown that he has you know, Ali has a famously great chin, but Forman probably has at least as good a one. No you know, maybe you could make an argument that one of them was never counted out, the other one was, in their career. but that's the thing, is that for a guy who's as big of a puncher and is good at turning other people's lights out Almost nobody can do it to George. That's the thing. He he has the chin to hang in there with somebody else as they're punching and and if you're gonna try and hang in with somebody and take the what they're throwing while they're throwing it at you and you're and you gotta figure out how to defeat George Foreman's chin while also knocking him out while also taking what he's given. It's a tough Again, all this is retrospective 'cause at this point he's somewhat of an unknown, right? He's we know he's an Olympic champion. We know he's beaten a lot of tomato cans, right? Is is what it is. but we'll get into it. So why don't we let Arthur Mercanti call them together for their instructions, and then we'll go ahead and start round one. Okay, the bell has rung. Why don't why don't I go ahead and do round one and then I'll save round two for you. All right, so So Foreman throws a body shot from his stool, I think. That one looping I think he's still on his stool when he's throwing the first body shot. and it kinda doesn't really do much, but

then Joe lands a a left hook pretty quickly. You're going, Well, how that reach advantage is gonna be tough. But Joe is especially this Joe Frazier is really good. He gets he gets he lands several left hooks in the first half of this round. The f the first one's pretty good. Foreman f the but then Foreman's doing this. This is the thing that Foreman's gonna for the all this fight. They close range. Foreman just puts out both hands, one on each of Joe's shoulders, and just pushes him back. Yeah, we're staying at my range. And the and the fact that he did it, I think he got warned at some point for doing it. We'll get there. But the fact that he did it and the fact he was able to do it is just like, you know, holy cow, that's If if he can do that, you know, just hold him at that outside range without even throwing a punch, just pushing him out of the way. That's a that's an amazing that's an amazing strategy on his part. Joe does snap his head back with a jab. and Joe is effective at getting inside, you know. there's a short Foreman hook connects, and that's the first time that he lands like a power punch, and it looks like Joe's hurt a little bit already. Then but Joe goes to the body. And then and then and then we hear you know, again, he looks a i before you can tell it watching the grainy nineteen seventy three video, you can hear Cosell saying he thinks that Fraser's hurt. How how did you put it in the in the opening again? Doing your speaker-1: I think Frazier's hurt. I think Frasier is hurt. speaker-0: Yes. And then he says something about Angie Dundee is over here saying he's hurt and then boom down he goes. Down goes Frasia. Down goes Frasia. I that's probably the most famous boxing call. Certainly in the top, certainly in the Pantheon, right? If you're gonna do a Mount Rushmore of boxing calls, that one's one of right? He sound it's like it's like, you know, he he it's like, you know, they make it sound like a bigger event than Tyson going down against Buster Douglas, right? I mean it's Yeah. But this 'cause again, that was a while coming. That was a that was a tenth round knockdown. Knock down knockdown, right? This is the first ha the first round, so they didn't have time to think about what it might happen. It just boom out of the blue. It's like ten seconds. He goes from not hurt at all to down in ten seconds. speaker-1: I think Kosell was legitimately stunned because he's seen and everybody at that time has seen Frazier walk through fire, burning buildings, artillery, whatever, and keep coming and and and yeah, he's been down, you know, a few times in his career. It's not like he's never been down, but I think I think Cosell's l legit shocked. speaker-0: Yeah, and it and it's fun I'm glad you mentioned the artillery because he does pop up quickly. I mean he goes down, he's hurt, but he gets up fast and he's waiting and and he's waiting for the referee to finish the eight count. And then as soon as George comes back at him, I wrote down he's firing sixteen inch shells. He's like the unit he's like the USS Missouri. He's not even sort of th he's throwing lightning bolts. I mean they're speaker-1: The Operation Desert Storm. speaker-0: The big giant looping George Foreman punches that, you know, that he would become famous for, you know, in the Ali fight, of course, that didn't work in that fight are just working here. But I think Fraser's defensive style g is is like tailor made for him, right? Because where Ali a few fights later in the rumble in the jungle is gonna lay on the ropes, give him his ribs, but then hold his head way back. Fraser's thing is that ducking head movement, right? He's really elusive. with the head movement or normally he is, but but for Foreman's throwing those, you know, those, you know, long looping left and rights and sometimes the short left hook as well. And Frazier dodges a lot of but them the longer that goes on, some of them are gonna land and they're just gonna destroy it. Yeah. And and so the left is really effective and, you know, Joe Ducks a couple of them, but but, you know, he's no longer throwing for Frazier isn't. I mean just very rarely putting something out there, but he's in kind of survival mode. And then there's a huge uppercut and it drops Joe again in the corner. I mean it's like 'cause you know, the the hooks are one thing, but then he throws that uppercut in and it's really kinda I d I I g I've overused the word shovel hook, right? but it but this one is kind of a long range uppercut. But you know, yes it's easy to do that when you have the guy on defensive like that. This is that's the moment when you can get away with the long range uppercut when the other guy's on defensive mode. Don't do it when you're don't do it in the third round of a fight against Evander Holyfield. We know that. speaker-1: Yeah. You don't do it when the other guy is still within punching range of you, but as you mentioned, Foreman's at a range where he can throw whatever and Frazier is not in close enough to hit him back. speaker-0: Even if he was, he's not throwing at this point, right? I mean he's very in survival mode. So that hook drops him again and he definitely is hurt now. That punch looked like it hurt way more. I I I keep see I saw the replay when they do the replay between rounds of the first knockdown, and it's at an angle where you just can't see it land. But there's Kosell going, lands clean as a whistle or something like that. And I was like, I didn't see it land at all. It all is happening behind Foreman's back, right? You're seeing his back. He throws the right hand and then Fraser just goes down. And I'm sure some conspiracy theorists could go, Phantom Punch, Phantom Punch, but there is no Phantom Punch with a second knockdown. That uppercut. He just said just juggles his boggle bobbles his head as it were, if I may coin a phrase. Yes. And speaker-1: I think I just real quick, Butch, I think the the first the first knockdown it

looked like it was an uppercut that clipped him on the side of the head. Yeah. That second one, like you said, is that's an all time teeth rattler. How how Fraser got up from that I'll never know. speaker-0: A jaw on the jaw, on the side of the jaw no less. So it's snapping your head up and back and probably moving your jaw three inches over in a way you don't want it to. So there's ten seconds left in the round when he goes down the second time. He gets up, the ref gives him a count. maybe they stop the k stop the clock when when there's a knockdown, I guess. I don't know. Doesn't matter. He gets up and the in a there's about five seconds left around, but that's enough time for Foreman to drop him a third time. And again, it this time it's a it's like a a a whole series of hooks drops him and he goes down just like sack of sack of bread. A sack of bread, sack of potatoes, right? I mean like like tips over, doesn't really bend in the knees and just tips over and falls down backwards, right? I mean that's usually the death knell, right? But but again, no eight ki no three knockdown rule can't be saved by the bell, but he gets up pretty quickly again. And a round over there. So the referee rightly so is like, well, I'll see what he looks like when he comes off his duel. yeah. So that's the end of the round. I scored a ten six. That's because I wasn't you know, I I think that's I think that's completely fair. It was a it was a clearly Yeah, the first one we've seen, right? Because it doesn't happen very often. speaker-1: we saw it in Pacquiao Marquez won the first round. speaker-0: yeah. I guess that's true. speaker-1: Hey Bush, I'll time out real quick 'cause Drew's Drew's there on the thing. Have him have him join us. He did you see that he texted us? speaker-0: All right, so Rob, how'd you see round one then? speaker-1: Well, I watched some interesting stuff today, as I told you. I my wife called me a little bit ago, how's your day going? I was like, I'm having an awesome day. I got to talk with my friends all morning and I've been watching classic fights, you know, petting the cat. I'm just having a great day. So I watched as I told you I watched a video about this fight and then I watched Some interviews with Foreman about Fraser. And Foreman said that Fraser was the only guy he was ever intimidated by in a fight. So Foreman's there at the fight, because Foreman's so famous for having that, you know, Sunny Liston stare. Yeah. Holyfield has that same stare. You know, he never looks intimidated, never afraid of anybody. You could hit him with a truck, he would scare the truck into breaking. I mean, and and and yet He sees this legend, Joe Frazier, come into the ring and he was nervous. Like, Am I really up for it? And then he said when he knocked Frazier down, he was like, crap, he's gonna be really mad. He knocked him down again. He was like, crap, he keeps getting up. He got more scared with each knockdown. So I I thought it was funny. Foreman

just had all the respect in the world for Frasier, and what a killer he was. But yeah, the the key to this fight, I agree with you, is the distance. and and as we're gonna see here in round one, Foreman establishes the distance. And I was real impressed that Foreman was not I mean he was cool, calm and collected this whole fight. because you know he's fighting a fearless all time great in Frazier and they both charge right off of their stools. I mean it it was crazy. but Foreman is he's parrying Frasier, a lot like Holy Holyfield did the same thing against Tyson. Tyson would rush in and throw a punch, and Evander would kind of turn and allay him out of the way and spin him and turn him and push him back. And that's what Frazier's doing here. And I think the the leverage Foreman has from being the taller guy and Frazier always being sent over. You're right that Frazier Frazier always just bobs real low and comes in about waist high and then comes up at you with those hooks. But When you're bent over like that, a big taller guy can and we saw this with Lennox Lewis in a lot of his fights. He would just shove down on the guys and keep you know, keep away from Foreman, I thought, did a masterful job of keeping the fight at just the right range. Yeah. So yeah, there are there's the occasional good left hook from Frazier. Foreman's land lands a couple good rights to the body. Frazier lands another another left hook. He's doing his thing bobbing, but he doesn't really Move his body. he just comes straight in at you. Yep. a nice jab by Fraser. speaker-0: Yeah. That was a good jab. speaker-1: So for and Foreman's either pushing Joe j Joe away or spinning him out of the way and keeping him at distance that way. And he has two kinds of jabs he throws. He has the keep you occupied and at range kind of pawing jab. And then he has that hammer that's gotta be as good as any jab in the history of boxing. It's just tremendous. speaker-0: Such a hands, yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, we saw him move Frasier a couple times with just the jab. and eventually a right uppercut floors Frazier and we get the famous call. Joe gets up, of course, and they're trading. but George pins Frasier on the ropes and and Frazier was making George miss a lot. And I think if he could have done that for a few rounds, George would have been gassed, as we see in Zaire. But but a huge uppercut So like you said, that that this first uppercut, I think it clips him on the side of the head and knocks knocks Joe down. But the second uppercut at two thirty seven was just a jawbreaker, lights out. I don't think anybody else in the world does gets up from this. Frasier to his credit, gets up. actually it was it it was a a right uppercut at two thirty seven and then another one just like it at two forty five and that's what dropped him. Yep. So then with just a few seconds left in the in the round, Joe's badly stunned and just a glancing blow at the top of his head is the third knockdown, I think thing would've knocked him over. It's kinda like Bo Holyfield three. When Holyfield got up from that knockdown, he had nothing and just took a couple. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: But it's it's Joe's badly hurt, he's dazed. the second knockdown was by far the worst. It was just brutal. It's a ten six round. I agree with let the fight continue, you know, give him a minute to clear his head, see how how it goes. But yeah, round one was the after an even first half of the round, it was all foreman. Tremendous and stunning. speaker-0: Yeah, agreed. It was just a master class, so speaker-1: All right. So since you're taking all the odd numbered rounds, I guess I will take all the even numbered rounds, but is that right? speaker-0: We'll go back and forth until the fight's over. speaker-1: Okay. so round two. So we saw as you recall, you know, after basically Fraser had been lifted onto his stool to have a a good forty-five seconds to recover or whatever it was. he charges out, Frasier charges out for round two. He says three knockdowns to be damned, I'm coming for ya. Yes. speaker-0: He has no other choice, right? speaker-1: Yep. And here's where George Foreman gets warned for pushing. Yeah. I don't think pushing is illegal necessarily, but I know refs never seem to like it. speaker-0: You know who didn't like the ref making that call? Whoever that was in Foreman's Corner, who is hopping mad up on the ring apron yelling And he's he is right up there making some noise about it. speaker-1: He was pissed. Well anyway, the ref barely has time to turn turn around and tell him to shut the fuck up when George immediately goes after Fraser again in the corner. And another huge right uppercut and a couple of right hooks sends Frasier tumbling down the length of the ropes drops him for a fourth time. He gets up and then a left hook drops him again. And this is where Co sell says, It's target practice for George Foreman and it was on the ropes. He had Frazier is no longer moving, no longer bobbing, he's just up against the ropes and Foreman's teeing off on him. And after Frasier gets knocked down for a sixth time, Mercani looks like he's not sure if he wants to stop it or not, but he eventually mercifully decides, yeah, the fight's over. It's a w it's a KO, one sided dominance. It's a lot to me, like I said, like the first Patterson Johansson fight. Where Johansson just blitzed Patterson and Patterson could never recover. He just kept getting knocked down, get up, get knocked down, get get up, knocked down and and the ref finally has to save him. speaker-0: Yeah, I'm glad you pointed that out. yeah, after the fifth knockdown The referee is counting Joe, giving Joe the eight count and you know, shaking his hands and shaking his gloves and stuff like that. And Foreman is already just about on top of him before Mercandy steps out of the way. He's like, I'm not waiting any longer. It's like, you know, not g you know, he he knows that his that that's the thing is that he's

figured out stay right on top of him. Don't give him a chance to recover at all, right? So speaker-1: And like we've seen like we've seen, but you know, we saw in Pacquiao Marquez one, you don't let a guy off the hook. If you have a chance to finish him off, you finish him 'cause he could come back and you know, Joe could start smoking. So you you jump all over. speaker-0: You know he's got it in him. So so yeah, that first knockdown in the second round, you know, Foreman's gonna you know, Foreman has been warned. They go back together, Foreman starts to throw at him. Frazier is is is moving his head and he does land a pretty decent left hook counter, but I mean it do but doesn't slow George down. He e he takes that counter and then just drops Frazier again, right? So I mean Frazier's like throwing and throwing Hooks but it's just he d e either A nothing's he's throwing is gonna stop George at this point or he just doesn't have the leverage he normally has, which is probably all true. speaker-1: And I think the fourth n correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the fourth knockdown is the so the first one of the second round is the most famous one. That's the one where Joe kinda has that little wobble in his step and kinda bounces, you know, kinda gets lifted off the canvas with an uppercut and kinda, you know, bounces off of one knee, kinda gets stuck and he's ready to speaker-0: The knee bounce, yeah, that's the famous one. Exactly. So and I I th you know, actually I thought that was the sixth one. the one that I'm thinking of is the one where he gets hit and then kind of looks like he bounces off of the right knee or whatever going down. speaker-1: is that the sixth one? Okay. Yeah. what I what I was gonna say though, you know, I was telling you off air here that I think Foreman is underappreciated as a boxer, and he really impressed me a lot with his boxing skill in this fight, but but I think he gets underestimated as a boxer because it's like Quidditch in the Harry Potter movies, right? It doesn't really matter what you do, if you can get the golden snitch, you win. And that's how Foreman's power is. He could lose rounds, rounds, rounds. Nobody remembers how he got there. But when he when he ki gets to where he connects, it's Katie bar the door, it's good night, Irene. speaker-0: Yeah, good night, Irene indeed. so speaking of good night, we can also say good morning and hello to our buddy. This is a surprise drop in conversation. we have speaker-1: An man, he's dropped right into the ring button. speaker-0: a Bo's corner is beating him silly. I don't know what's going on. No, welcome to the podcast. Drew Mitchell, Thunderbolt, Death from Above has arrived. So here we are, joining us. we are talking Drew Mitchell, say hello to the folks, buddy. Welcome to Cinema. Hello to the folks, buddy. Sinn this is Cinema Cullis Saturday Night at the Fights. Of course we never do this on Saturday, we do it all the other days of the week. but it's yeah, Friday

afternoon. today we are doing as we've been talking about f Foreman Fraser two from nineteen seventy three. speaker-1: The first one. speaker-0: Yes, not not yeah, Foreman Fraser one from nineteen. Was I even alive then? you would have been alive. That's right. Yes. You were yeah, you were young. Thank you for the help there. But as we speaker-1: Drew. Drew, we're doing a f we we're doing every fight of the year from our lifetimes, every ring magazine fight of the year. So nineteen seventy three is the two round wipeout of Fraser by George Foreman. Do you remember that fight? Wow. speaker-0: That's man, that's going back there. What the I mean what I remember most about that fight, to be honest with you, is you guys talking about that fight. Yes. obviously at the age of three I wasn't watching the fight, or I maybe I was, I don't know. speaker-1: You might have been. speaker-0: I could have been. You don't know you were but you guys I know you guys love big fights like that, and I know that was a big one. And if I remember, those guys were ruthless in their Beating of each other? Is that the the right way to say that? Yeah. Yeah, that's correct. I think it was ruthless two ways for about a minute and a half, and then it was ruthless just one way for the rest of fight. So Right. And but I mean, that's a young George Foreman. And almost speaker-1: You almost speaker-0: Yeah, really. You think of him in two different careers almost. And you know, the Foreman where he had You know, a fat burning machine and seventy four kids, also named George, versus the hold on, wait a second. he was an Olympian, wasn't he, in seventy two? yes, he was sixty eight. He was six. Sixty eight, sorry. Yeah, heavyweight championship. And and of course the interesting thing is Frazier was heavyweight gold medalist in sixty four and Ali was in sixty. So yeah, that's that's quite a string the US had in heav in heavyweight boxers, I gotta say. As we sometimes say. Yeah, so this fight is tremendous in that it is a six it's five and a half minutes or four and a half minutes even, and it's over. Six knockdowns of Fraser in four and a half minutes. speaker-1: Drew, you were you were you you used to be a sports broadcaster. I'm sure you're familiar with Cocelle's call. Do you remember it from this fight? speaker-0: Four and a half minutes of fury, right, Butch? That's what you're saying. I think we've heard that somewhere. Yes. is this down goes Frasia? Yes. Down goes Frasia. That's exactly Down goes Frasia. Yep. speaker-1: It's like in the room. Hey Howard, how'd you get here? speaker-0: Down goes Frasia. I just I I just have one question for you. How is Elvis and is he doing well in heaven? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's yeah, because obviously you and co you as Cousell and Elvis are hanging out together up in heaven, I'm sure. So so listen, this fight is famous because this is the other thing. You you talk about a young George Foreman. George Foreman for this fight was six foot four and weighed in at a Svelte two seventeen drew. What do you go with what how much you weigh in these days, buddy? you know, the good news is not too much more than two six. I know. I was thinking you were probably right about that, even though they got two inches on him, right? So yeah. Or maybe you don't anymore. Maybe you've shrunk to about the same height as him. But it's weird. Frasier is only three pounds lighter than Foreman is in this fight. They're two of fourteen and two two seventeen and two fourteen. speaker-1: I'm happy to say, Butch, I am five eleven. That was verified by the doctor this yeah. I'm five and I weigh less than Joe Fraser. Hey. speaker-0: All right. That's congratulations. I weigh more I weigh more than George Foreman, so that's good. hey, listen. And by the way, just for the record, I was recently verified as still being six six. Hey! Officially still six six. Atgard, six six. F Exactly. From out of St. John Fisher College. That's right. Now that's very exciting. Yeah, so this is this is an interesting thing where Frazier, we were talking about Frazier comes in the undisputed WBA WBC Lineal and Ring Magazine Heavyweight Champion of the World. He was twenty nine and with twenty five knockouts. It basically mowed through a much better competition than Foreman had in his thirty seven f wins, thirty four by knockout, no defeats. but so he and so Frasier was a four to one favorite in this fight and is plastered in two rounds by now the heavyweight champion of the world, George Foreman. Yeah. speaker-1: And Butch, I I think I think this fight is why Foreman is rated so highly among the all time greats, because Foreman in his two reigns has a total of three title defenses. speaker-0: Right, yeah, exactly. He didn't ever successfully defend it the second time. speaker-1: Destroyed you know, he he he wins the title here from Frasier. He beats some dude from Puerto Rico named King Roman something. Yeah and then he obliterates Ken Norton, who's famous for losing all his title fights. Well yeah, and then he he won a disputed decision against Axel Schultz in the nineties. That's it. So it's not like George was a dominant champ in the sense of a long reign or anything. No but the way speaker-0: That Axel was really a good front man on the stage. He really brought it in those stadium shows. That Axel sweet child of mine, Schultz, is that who you're talking about? speaker-1: November rain. speaker-0: my bad. Wrong Axle. Sorry about that. speaker-1: I we have November ranked. speaker-0: So so listen, I I think that's fair, and I think you're right in that this fight really gives him the reputation. But let's be honest, it's this fight and the Norton fight. And if we're really gonna be honest, it's the fact that well, I mean, in at this point in his career, right? So 'cause he he destroys Frazier who had beaten Ali and then he destroys Norton who had beaten Ali and then he's gonna fight Ali. That is a setup by which so when we

do get to that fight and eventually we will and eventually we've already done it, but we'll explain in a sec why we're gonna get back to it, Drew. But the idea is when he's going into that fight against Ali, which is the year later in nineteen seventy four Who in the world thinks he doesn't have a good chance of annihilating Ali? Ali couldn't Ali lost to the two guys that he knocked out in four rounds between the two of right? And the fights were completely walkovers. So sorry guys, I was about to ask. That's seventy four, right? Yeah, that's the next year. That's right. Yeah. So so speaker-1: Looks Foreman's about to have a ten year reign. It really does. Yeah. speaker-0: mean who's gonna beat him, right? It's like he's just at this point he's taken out two of the biggest names in the division in Norton and and Frasier. and again that's not even fair to put Norton. Norton often gets put in that group but he's not the same caliber, I don't think, as as Joe Frazier or Ali or Foreman, I think. but that's that and the thing is so the coda to this is that Joe Frazier ends his boxing career with Losses to George Foreman and Mohammed Ali. That's speaker-1: And that's it. speaker-0: it. The only two guys who ever beat him are George Foreman and Mohammed Ali. Once both of them beat him twice. He has four losses, two each to those guys. That's a career. Holy cow. I mean, when you're when you know, and whereas Norton had losses against other people that weren't of that l you know, that weren't among that pantheon. I guess I'm trying to remember who else beat Norton. I know that I know that Larry Holmes beat Norton, right? speaker-1: Cooney killed Norton. speaker-0: Thank you. And that's something that's not on Joe Frazier's resume, is getting beaten by Jerry Cooney, of course. But yeah, it's it's amazing to think goodness. Yeah, thank goodness. It's amazing to think just how big of a of an earthquake this fight was because like I said, this was the Ring magazine's nineteen seventy three fight of the year, and it is a two round, one sided walkov, and it's the fight of the year, but it's because it was such a shock And it was, you know, a d a total domination of what had been a completely dominating fighter for his whole career, right? In Joe Frazier. And so that it speaker-1: I think it holds up. I think it was very exciting. I mean, I've never not known how this is gonna go. It's whenever I have ten spare minutes, yeah, I can watch this fight in its entirety, including the ring introductions. but you know, and so while my initial thought was how in the hell was this fight of the year? I I my final verdict is I'm okay with it. speaker-0: I think I'm okay with it too. We'll have to see how it ranks on our rankings. but th this probably almost one hundred percent is the shortest of any of the Ring magazines fight of the year that we're gonna do there. It's one that's almost as short and that is the eight sec eight minutes of hell from nineteen eighty four or

nineteen eighty five, Hagler Hearns. but that was a little bit less one sided than this one and so and so that's probably why I I'm I again I c I was sort of shocked that this was a fight of the year, but given the magnitude of the title that they were fighting for, which was the title, b maybe the title in all of sports at this point, right? In the in the early seventies. and it was the undisputed championship, it was two undefeated guys, two h gold medal winners, and it w and it was a shocking upset, although, you know, in retrospect probably not. But speaker-1: Butch. speaker-0: can I get two questions in there? Yeah. So in where did when would did this list come out as this was the fight of year? So it's yeah, because it's funny you ask you mentioned it, Drew, because they just announced the twenty twenty one fight of the year, what, two days ago, Rob? Yeah. So it's it's like usually it announced like on the twenty eighth or twenty ninth of December, the Ring magazine announces their fight of the year, right? A basically after In but that held true in nineteen seventy three, excuse me for not knowing. Exactly. Yeah. We're assuming so that they announced right at the end of the year kinda like, you know The the newspaper today had like the ten best movies of the year and stuff like that. So Ring magazine at the end of the year when there's no more big fights left picks the fight that they think is fight of the year. By the way, Drew, in case you didn't know, twenty twenty one fight of the year was Wilder Fury three. speaker-1: Which I was at. speaker-0: Which I think I was just about to remind Rob that you were there. I know you're getting older. speaker-1: Yeah. it's it's interesting too 'cause sometimes, you know, I think it's interesting to look with some distance at some of these fights and and try and see it the way they were seeing it. Like we were kind of baffled as why Sphinx Ali one was the fight of the year for nineteen seventy eight. I'm sure that was a such a crazy deal at the time, but after after the fact we're like, I don't know if that's the fight of the year. and sometimes you're like, Yeah, I get it. And in this one was interesting 'cause yeah, I was like, how in the hell is a one sided, two round fight, fight of the year, but it's just momentous. And and with all the other s and Coastell's great call and stuff, it's just it's like a piece of history. speaker-0: Yeah. And so go ahead. You yeah, so was there a follow up question, Drew, or did I you said you had two questions, I wasn't sure you got both. Well and in this in this case, so I'm gonna change my follow-up question to is it the the whole thing with ho with Cosell's call and and all that, you don't know history. Right. Yeah. At that point you don't know it's how momentous it is. Right. But you would or you would look at it and say, All right, here's two undefeated guys. And you know that they're both Olympic champions. I guess my question to that is, how did they remain apart, you know, five years into Foreman's career? Because that's nine years into Fraser's pro career. Yeah. How did they not was Foreman really that big of an under an un a quote unquote unknown? Whoa. speaker-1: Yeah, so I'll answer that, Drew. So, you know, Frasier, you know, of course turned pro after the sixty-four Olympics and he was already by like sixty-seven with Ali going on hiatus. Frazier was the man, so he'd been the man for five years. And Foreman is just getting started after the sixty-eight Olympics. So he's fighting, you know, on the undercards of a lot of the Frazier fights. He's fighting four rounders, six rounds speaker-0: A lot of fights in Texas where it's home state. speaker-1: So he had only been tender after about, you know, three years. So he's only been like a a guy worthy of a title shot for about the past year going into this fight. So he was really unknown as far as he was known because he was famous and a gold medal winner. but he was r nobody really knew how he would do under the bright lights of a big fight against a tough opponent. So I think that's what was so shocking to Coasell and everybody. They've seen Frazier go through artillery fire, like I said to Butch. And you know, knock down Ali and you know, damn near kill Jerry Corey and you know, Ellis and stuff. So I think that's why it was so shocking at the time. 'cause Foreman's really on the rise and Fraser's been established as the guy for quite a speaker-0: Yeah, and it's it it I think I have to remind myself that it's there's a longer burn there, right? Yeah. You know, there's a longer s period of of working your way up. It's truly a different era and a few different eras ago. And and there's there's a game. That was the Leon Speaks more. speaker-1: Ironically Yeah, we were talking about Sphinx seventy eight. How is this guy getting a title shot after seven fights and he's only been a pro for about a year and a half? speaker-0: was six and one when he got a title shot against Mohammed Ali and seventy six a gold medalist right exactly in Montreal yeah yeah he he actually knocked out there's your he actually knocked out Bruce Jenner to win the heavyweight championship the the heavyweight champion I thought it was Ivan Draco no the the Soviets eighty four eighty four yes speaker-1: That's Ivana Drago. speaker-0: My fault. The so we Soviets never mind. That's my fault. That's totally okay. So yeah, the other thing of course is that he Foreman had has even though he started his career much later, has eight more fights than Frazier does at this point. He's 37 and But we if you look at the roster of fighters that Foreman has fought in his thirty-seven fights, and you look at the roster of for fighters that Frazier has fought, you probably the ten best on those two combined lists are probably all Frasier opponents. Right. So so I'm not I'm not sure that you have any of the fiftiest best fighters in Georgia. speaker-1: Yeah. Frazier's fought who's who and

Foreman's foda who's they have the heavy speaker-0: Who's who's not? So so Drew, how we do this then is as this is our ninth or no yeah, our ninth fight that we've done and so what we do is as we do these fights that we're doing the Ring magazine fights of the year, again we're doing nineteen seventy to twenty twenty. So as we're doing we're ranking them as we go. So we have to f now figure out where on our nine fights so far that this fight fits on our nine fight ranking. so the right now our list consists of number nine, it's Inwe Donaire from twenty nineteen at number eight. we have Quar Qu why am I drawing a blank at his name? Kuroga Koroga and Ake and Prince Akeem at number seven from nineteen ninety one. Then we have Spinx Ali at at six. So we can't we can't believe that that's not the bottom fight on this, but it is. It's it's not. And that's it that's it I have that at yeah, I have it at six, right? In And speaker-1: So you've placed I don't think we've placed this fight yet, which is speaker-0: Replaced this fight, yeah. Then the right now we have then number five currently before this fight we have Canelo versus Kennedy Galovkin two from twenty eighteen. then Berto Ortiz from twenty eleven at number four, Lopez Ayala, which is the the straw weights I think, or the the featherweights rather at from tw nineteen Seventy-nine at number three, Ward Gotti one in from two thousand two at number two, and then we have Miura and Vargas from twenty fifteen at the top spot. But this one is so different. Was that Andre Berto in there, Butch? Is that what I heard? I thought it was Andre Berto versus speaker-1: Or T. speaker-0: Yeah, or verse Ortiz. So it was Andre Berto, that's right. From twenty eleven. So so those are the fights we've done so far. So now we've got to figure out Rob where we put these and it's so different from the others because it's such a short fight. But my inclination probably well, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Where do you think this should go? speaker-1: I have it on my list and I know you're trying to keep a consensus. I know how that's gonna go for fifty fights, but we'll try. I have it right in the middle. So I have it at five. I have it ahead of Alvarez Triple G and then I have it behind Ortiz Berto from twenty eleven. speaker-0: All right, so so that's number five. I think I'm a inclined to agree with that. it's it's feels like you can't put it too high because it's just such a short fight, but it you feel it's like you can't put it too low because it's one of the most important fights of the twentieth century. speaker-1: I think so. speaker-0: so there we go. So now Drew, this is where the magic happens. I'm so glad you're able to join us for this part because what we did we speaker-1: Don't tell him Butch, don't tell him. Let me let me let me build the suspense. Rob I'm speaker-0: True. speaker-1: ready. How do you think we come up with the random live on air selection of the fights? speaker-0: is it one of

those Dungeons and Dragon dice that Yeah. That speaker-1: Hell yeah. speaker-0: is exactly what it is really? I have what we have, Drew, is we have a list of fifty fights on here. And what and so they go from nineteen seventy to twenty twenty. So what we do is I have a twenty sided dice, a Dungeons and Dragons dice, right? You roll that and that determines the decade, right? So if it's a one to four, it's the seventies. Five to eight it's the eighties. Nine to twelve, it's the nineties. Thirteen to sixteen, it's the two thousands, and seventeen to twenty it's tw it's the twenty tens. That determines the decade that dice does. Then we have these dice right here. These are ten sided dice. Zero through nine is what they list, right? So it's got a zero on it, right? So if you roll a zero, that me if you roll nineteen the nineteen seventies you roll a zero, it means the fight is nineteen seventy. If you roll the nineteen seventies and it's a six, it means it's nineteen seventy six, right? So speaker-1: But how are you ever gonna get twenty twenty? You don't have a twenties decade and it's would be the zero on the twenties decade. How are you gonna speaker-0: No, because that's the that's that's a good that's a good question. yeah, so I guess that's that's the thing is we'll have to figure that out because at the well what we'll do probably is at some point if we when we will inevitably start rolling doubles at some point. This is g the the whole thing's gonna have to change when we s once we have more than half of these filled in, right? So But for now we don't get any doubles. So this Drew is the magic moment when I roll the next two fights we're gonna do. Okay, so th I'm gonna put the microphone down here by the dice so you can hear it roll, so you know I'm not lying and I'm telling the truth. Here we go. Ready? All right, the decade. It's a seven, which means we're talking about the nineteen eighties. And speaker-1: Yeah, baby. speaker-0: it's a zero, which means we're talking about nineteen eighty itself, and that means the fight we're doing is Matthew Saad Muhammad versus Yaqui Lopez. Two from nineteen eighty is our next fight. speaker-1: Saad Muhammad versus Lopez. speaker-0: Saad Mohammed versus Lopez. speaker-1: All right. I've heard of Matthew Sadma. speaker-0: Matthew Saad Mohammed versus Yaqui Lopez two. The nineteen eighty fight of the year. And then the next one, so we'll switch the dice. Two other sets of dice. We don't want to use the same dice both times. There we go. speaker-1: contaminated dice. speaker-0: There we go. speaker-1: I want an equal number of blueberries in each muffin. speaker-0: There you go. Alright. So this time it's a 10, which as you know means it's the 1990s. speaker-1: Hell yeah. speaker-0: And that means, and it's a four, which means it's nineteen ninety-four. So nineteen ninety-four's Ring Magazine Fight of the Year was Jorge Castro versus John David Jackson the fur in the fight one. John David speaker-1: I'm surprised it wasn't Foreman Moore. speaker-0: Yeah, well I don't know. You could have made a case for that, but it's not, so speaker-1: This better be some fight. speaker-0: Yep, so Castro versus Jackson, nineteen ninety four. That is the next fight, the next two fights we're gonna do. So we'll see if we can so Drew, if you're still with us, this is how we do this. We pick the fight, we watch the fight, we score the fight as we go, and then we do round by round by and then do round by round. Hey, I'm back. Yeah. yeah, cool. So so we wrote Sorry guys. So let me get this straight. Yeah. I just with on the first guess, without being prompted. Yes. Entered into the inner circle of the super butch rob Lair, speaker-1: That's right. Yeah. speaker-0: figured out that you were using the really crazy ten sided dice whatever dice, yes. And just as I disclose that information to the world, because we know there are millions and billions of people listening, my wifi suddenly goes out. I don't find speaker-1: That's because of Candyman. speaker-0: Yeah. Okay. We we definitely there is a conspiracy to keep you silenced, but actually we have brought you into the interview. I knew it. So so speaker-1: Keyboard kind of element to Butch's dice, I'm convinced. speaker-0: That's what I figured. And then all of a sudden so that was that might be my proudest moment on of twenty twenty one, or perhaps e just, you know, the last twenty minutes actually maybe. speaker-1: Yeah, no speaker-0: I figured out on the first guess I was able to method. You know, I I I'm on the wavelength with you guys. speaker-1: Yes. So how we do it is we score we take the fight, we watch it, and we score it round by round and we each give our impressions of each round plus the score how we scored it. And then we talk about it till the fight ends. And sometimes that means a decision, sometimes it doesn't. Yep. speaker-0: And then and then that's how we've done the boxing podcast. I think this is episode forty nine of our pox boxing podcast. Some of which we've done. We did a whole the whole Patterson tr the whole Patterson speaker-1: Here. speaker-0: Johansson trilogy in a single episode. We did the whole that was a long episode. We did the whole Ollie Norton trilogy in a single episode. That was speaker-1: Ooh. speaker-0: yeah, we start and we start at eleven o'clock at night also. So it was like the yeah, so we decided on the west coast, no less. speaker-1: And this is the first podcast that Jay was fired from. Yeah. Because he had the same comments for every fight, which is why do they keep hitting themselves? speaker-0: Yeah, why they keep hitting themselves in the face. How come they're doing that? It's like, well, they're not actually hitting whatever, it doesn't matter, you're out. So Goodbye. So yeah, so that's how we do it and and we're gonna basically walk through the we Rob had the great idea of doing the ring magazine fights of the year and ranking them as we go 'cause everything's

better when ranked is what I'm s is what we're saying. speaker-1: If we were having a hard time thinking of fights to do, we're just randomly thinking of fights we like. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. And so we've actually done several of the fights that we're going to be doing again, but we're going to be ranking because we've already done Leonard Hagler. We've already done Stevie Cruz versus don't start me on that one, because I think I was on that podcast. yeah. Well we were you were definitely mentioned because you and I watched that fight together at Morachek's house, right? We all know where we all were for that one, right? Yes, exactly. speaker-1: I didn't see that fight for years. I was so mad about the outcome I d wouldn't watch it for a long time. But I I have finally seen it. speaker-0: Yeah, so but yeah, so we've got a few of the some point we either talked about that in that podcast. If I wasn't a part of your official podcast, we at least talked about what you guys were gonna talk about in that podcast 'cause I know we've had this discussion. But we have had that discussion. What a fight and what a ripoff. never mind. We won't go there. Never mind. But yeah, so we've got a lot of ground still to cover. We've been doing two a week, so we figure we'll finish this sometime around eight May this year is when speaker-1: Well, it's been time too 'cause it's been December and we've had a little more time off and stuff. speaker-0: Exactly. But so how do you how do you how do you rank them when you say so in other words the ranking list is fluid, right? Yeah. So whatever fight is number nine right now potentially could be number sixty two or whatever. Or you know whatever the total is. We literally we literally just rank them as we go, right? So and I don't know that we're committing ourselves to not modifying the rankings a ways in, but for at for the start at least you go, well The you the first fight is number one obviously. So when you do the second fight, is it better or worse than the first fight and then you put a two or one? And then the third fight, is it better or worse than the first one on the list and the second one on the list and figure out where they go. Yeah. And it's it's an inexact science, and yet we managed to come up with the perfect Star Trek movie episode rankings using a similar methodology, so therefore we're convinced. speaker-1: Yes. And and interestingly, Drew, 'cause Butch and I usually are pretty close on our scoring, but we have had some fights where we're way diff way off. they always involve Pinklin Thomas for some reason. But I we're we've been pretty much in line through the first nine fights, I think, with how we see them and and where we rank But I know we're gonna have some fights where I think it's a great fight and Butch is not impressed and vice versa. Yeah, so that'll be fun. speaker-0: There was a fight where there was a fight where we had a it was a fifteen round fight and we were comparing our scoring round by round and we agreed on fourteen of the fifteen rounds. that's how sympathico we some and then there was a fight where we were off on half of them. We disagreed on half the rounds or something like that. speaker-1: We had a fight where we were like nine rounds were different, but we had a fight where even with even rounds we had the same even round. Remember that? It was like we didn't get to yeah it was like round eleven before we disagreed. We had almost the same notes for each round, you remember that? speaker-0: It is pretty amazing. So yeah. So but we it's it's also a good way to second guess the judges on some of these because it's sometimes when you see the judges' scorecards, you're like, How in the hell did they come up with that? You know. but this is the this is the same thing that you hear at same thing you hear at an NFL game or you know, or or a an NHL game every once in a while. Hey ref, you're missing a great game. It's worth it's worth checking out. You should open your eyes and see what's going on. That's right. So so anyway, that's how we make it through a boxing podcast. And usually I was gonna say usually they're not this short, but we're an hour into this podcast on a two round fight. So so sometimes we go on a little too long, but that's okay because again the purpose of all this is mostly to hang out and talk about things that we like. So and and you were just pod bomb, podcast bomb bomb. speaker-1: It was like Pan Man and you dropped into the speaker-0: I totally died. Pod Pod bomb I fan manned the wrong fight even. speaker-1: Ha ha. speaker-0: Well, there's a chance that you could they they actually Riddick Bow Holyfield two is not a fight of the year, but Holyfield Bow one is a fight of the year. So Fan Man could arrive early. That was a nineteen ninety two fight of the year. Deservedly so, by the way. That was an epically epic great battle. even though I didn't even though I was unhappy with the guy who wa with that it was the guy who won who won. I agree with I agreed with the outcome. When we scored that the first time I fought Bo won that fight. Fiftieth best heavyweight in the world? speaker-1: No George. speaker-0: That that never gets old. speaker-1: That is the funniest commercial. That is so funny. speaker-0: Where's yet? that's great. All right. So anyway, that, ladies and gentlemen, is gonna do it. We really appreciate Drew Mitchell jumping in and hanging out with us to talk boxing and to talk boxing rankings with us on our podcast today. That was great hanging out with Drew all day today 'cause we hung out with him on another podcast today. So that was awesome. speaker-1: Down goes podcasting. Down goes podcasting. Down goes podcasting. speaker-0: Podcasting. Down goes podcasting. So I said I said it earlier and I'll say it again. My my big New Year's resolution is to get Drew Mitchell on more podcasts. So be w on the lookout for that, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you guys very much. Very much. Thank you. Thank you guys very much. That's right. speaker-1: We'll have to lovingly give you the nickname Drew of third man in the ring. speaker-0: Hey now. I like it. I'll take it. And that's gonna do it for us today at Cinema Color Saturday Night the Fights.