Transkrip lengkap untuk SummerSlam On The Big Stage

but um, no, it's definitely a different product. 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:49.279 It's still you still have to respect the athletic ability that a lot of these guys put out there and and women put out there too. 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:58.879 Um, because you know the woman's uh the woman's side of the WWE has have has for sure changed for the better since 25 years ago. 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.920 Um so Braun Payne's matches. 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:03.839 Right. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:15.920 And um so it it's definitely it's definitely evolved for uh for better, and it is a uh it's still a spectacle, it's still an athletic spectacle to uh to enjoy. 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:23.759 So um if people get upset about it on ESPN talk shows and get up and all that, well, like you're still watching a talk show, like get over it, you're fine. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.720 So I guess uh I guess this is the point where I'll ask you. 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:35.600 Um for SummerSlam 2026, it's gonna be in Minneapolis. 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.199 Uh a lot of big names, a lot of major titles on the line. 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:44.639 CM Punk versus Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Brock Lesnar, who I thought retired. 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.279 You told me he retired after uh WrestleMania, but here we are. 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.199 He's gonna be in a hell on a cell. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:58.160 Um so my opening question for you though is uh does this SummerSlam does it have the best card that WWE has put together since WrestleMania 40? 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.800 I I think this this card looks really good on paper. 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:13.360 Um I'm excited about like you when you when we run down the the whole card, it's gonna be very hard for me to pick a match that I don't want to watch. 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:16.240 Um WrestleMania 40. 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:24.399 I think listen, the hype around that event, uh specifically because The Rock came back and he was a heel. 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:32.319 Um I don't think this lives up to that, but this is a card worthy of a of a stadium show. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:39.920 And I think uh I think they went all out knowing that they uh had to that they wanted to try to put as many people in the stadium two nights in a row. 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:56.000 Um and yeah, I think each night has a has a great main event, and this is a good way for them to to break up WrestleMania season, SummerSlam season, go into Survivor Series, and then the Royal Rumble, and then you're back on the road to WrestleMania. 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:58.800 So yeah, I'm I'm I'm super excited. 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:05.360 Are you happy with how they have uh is I it's CM Punk and Cody Rhodes is the uh the main event, correct? 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:06.879 For for night two, right? 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:07.360 Yep. 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.160 Yeah, and then night night one's main event is which one? 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.519 It should be that it's probably Roman versus uh Seth. 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:14.240 Gotcha. 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:16.560 Uh it has to be, yeah. 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.839 Um I just love CM Punk. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:30.879 I've loved CM Punk since 2006 when he when he came into WWE CW, and then all the way up to when he did his uh his pipe bomb in 2011. 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:37.440 You know, and then when he left, um you just say what you want about the guy, but he's almost 50 years old. 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.360 He can still cut a fucking promo. 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.200 He's in the best shape of his life. 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:51.440 And I think post-Attitude era, there have been very few stars that make you think what you're seeing could possibly be real. 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:56.879 Not the not the fight, but the way that he blurs the lines for the storylines and his promos. 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:04.240 You just never know if what he's saying if is what he believes or if if if it's all part of the all part of the uh the show. 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.639 Um I'm ready for them to turn Cody heel. 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:12.720 And it looks like they're they're they're positioning it this way. 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:24.000 Uh he's I think in retrospect you realize that they waited too long to turn Cena Heel and they tried to do to do like a four-month heel turn in his last year, which by the way I still fucking loved. 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:30.399 Um but Cody's the guy, and CM Punk is the perfect guy to turn heel around. 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:31.840 And they're they're dancing around it. 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:33.279 Um so I hope that they do it. 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.799 If they do it, that will leave this will feel like a WrestleMania. 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:45.200 And do you think and bringing up uh heel turns and Cena was obviously the most recent heel turn? 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:47.200 It was very short-lived as well. 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:53.600 What I know I'm kind of jumping ahead over SummerSlam, but I think it is like important to ask. 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:58.879 Like how how long would you want Cody to turn heel? 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.039 Like, would it be like the setup for a WrestleMania match or the chilly? 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:08.799 I think because he's not on like a like like Cena was on, he had 35 dates left or whatever. 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:14.000 So like you knew that eventually they were gonna turn him back and have a like a solid end to the farewell tour. 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:24.639 I think listen, Roman turned heel in 2020 and was a heel until 2024, except he was being cheered two years in. 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:30.320 So when you're that good, people won't boo you, they'll cheer you. 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:36.000 Uh, and I think the problem with most wrestling, this is a problem with wrestling and wrestling fans. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:43.519 Wrestling companies want to uh promote

their stars as baby faces so they can be on all the TV shows and do all that shit. 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:48.480 And then uh wrestling fans are like, we want that guy to be a star. 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:49.519 Oh, we made him a star. 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:51.120 Oh, they're shoving him down our throats. 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.799 Oh, they're never gonna turn him heel. 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.399 Um, but Cody's good enough to be a heel, so he should be. 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:59.360 It feels kind of overdue in a sense. 00:10:59.919 --> 00:11:03.200 He's not, I mean, he hasn't been one in WWE. 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:04.960 I'm not even gonna count Stardust. 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:18.720 Uh, but since he was uh uh was it ravishing Cody Rhodes when he had when he broke he broke his nose and he wore a see-through mask because his face was so demolished and people were wearing like paper bags to the ring. 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.639 And again, he got it over so so much that people started cheering him. 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:23.679 So he can do it. 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:26.720 Uh and Punk's again the perfect guy to do it against. 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.200 And you mentioned one thing too, which is uh this being over two days. 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.080 So it's the first time in SummerSlam that's gonna be a two-night event. 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:42.799 Um it was interesting when they first did it for WrestleMania, which was did they do that during COVID? 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:49.039 So one of those things where it came out of accident, but then ended up being a success. 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:54.799 And I think it makes sense for I think it makes sense for WrestleMania to be two nights. 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.240 It's a big enough, it's a big enough uh PLE. 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.919 I think not I think casual wrestling fans are people who just barely know wrestling. 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.240 If you say WrestleMania, they know what you're talking about. 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:04.559 Yep. 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.039 But SummerSlam's interesting to make it two nights. 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:10.960 Um what do you what do you think about the decision? 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:11.919 Do you think it's right? 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:15.200 Do you think it's you know trying to sell out more? 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:17.519 What are what are kind of your thoughts about this? 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:28.320 So going back to why I think they did it, obviously, yeah, COVID played a big factor, but the the WrestleMania right before that, WrestleMania 35, was at MetLife Stadium. 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:34.960 And from pre-show on the first match to the main event, it was it was wrestling for seven and a half hours. 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.120 That's too long to keep 80,000 people engaged for, right? 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:47.120 So I do like the fact that now they're doing two nights and it's maybe four or five matches a night, and you're like you're in for all of it. 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.919 Um, and I think like for the big events, it does make sense. 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.720 SummerSlam is is a big event if you're a wrestling fan. 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:57.919 Like it is always has been uh like the second biggest pay-per-view uh for WrestleMania. 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:09.519 So if you could and I many people would argue, and I would agree, that right now this roster is the best that it's ever been in terms of talent and depth. 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.000 So yeah, you gotta I I think you have to do it. 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:20.159 Um from a shareholder perspective, you know, because I wouldn't have a house if it wasn't for uh Vinnie Mack and WWE. 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:31.600 Um if you run it one night and you put 55,000 people in it, or you run it two nights and you put 40,000 in each night, from a company perspective, it's better. 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:42.399 And I think uh this should that you would think that it would force them to be better storytellers than they have been recently. 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:51.039 Um but this just shows that they have the ability to put a card together whenever they want to and to try to try and drive uh last-minute ticket sales. 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:58.159 Speaking of ticket sales, uh reports are saying it's kind of slow, uh kind of underwhelming. 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.120 Uh are they still charging a shit ton? 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.279 Like no, that's the thing, dude. 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:08.960 Like, all right, so WrestleMania this year was in Vegas, and so was last year. 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:18.480 Um last year, each night they did, I think it was like 63,000, something like that per night. 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:26.960 This year they get to 48,000 to 50,000 per night, but the ticket sales and and the gate was exponentially higher. 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.559 So they were charging, I think, 35% more per ticket. 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.840 The average ticket price for SummerSlam is$73. 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:37.600 Which seems reasonable. 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.000 Uh yeah, I would yeah. 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:48.000 Listen, if if if if this was me in 2017, before I met my beautiful wife, the love of my life, you know, um, I would have been there. 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.799 I would have I I would that this this is a reason for me to be in Minnesota. 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:52.720 Are you um are you even a wrestling fan then? 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:53.679 Are you not gonna go? 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:54.159 No. 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:56.080 No, we don't go. 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:57.919 We don't go. 00:14:58.639 --> 00:14:59.120 That's fine. 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:04.000 But so I mean, you could get lower bowl tickets for 125 bucks. 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:08.320 Is this the first time they're having it in Minneapolis? 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:09.039 Yep. 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:19.360 And the reason uh why

you uh to just to jump back to what you said originally, uh you know that you thought Brock Lesnar retired, Brock is from Minneapolis. 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:24.399 Like this is this was always meant and designed to be his last match. 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:26.080 Was that no? 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.879 So yeah, because he left the he left the boots and all that. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:35.519 That's why everyone was so fucking shocked when he left his boots and his gloves and he gave Paul Heyman a hug and he was crying. 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:41.600 We're like, shit, like the plan was always SummerSlim, and now you're just saying, you know, fuck it, but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna call it early. 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:42.799 So that's why I told you. 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:44.559 I I genuinely believed it. 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:47.759 And then here we are. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.879 And two weeks later, he fucked me. 00:15:53.120 --> 00:16:01.039 Um obviously the destination, the uh Minneapolis being the host for Brock makes sense. 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:14.240 Uh if Brock wasn't part of this, do you think they would have been better off going somewhere, whether it was a Vegas or New York, Nashville, some bigger market? 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.159 Here's my really big problem with this. 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:25.200 Um they announced in 2024 that SummerSlam would be a two-night event in Minneapolis in 2026. 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.799 And they didn't release that, they didn't like tickets didn't go on sale until like uh May of this year. 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:32.720 That to me is dumb. 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.120 Uh you should have released tickets early. 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:38.720 Like I would have, I would have gone right on sale uh the minute that you announce it. 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:45.039 Let it slow burn, then you wouldn't be having these reports of uh, you know, 29,000, 30,000 uh seats being sold. 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:51.679 But I think you're asking that question because people would think, well, Minnesota is not really a wrestling town. 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:57.679 Well, historians would tell you that the AWA and Vern Gagnier ran out of Minneapolis. 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.200 Like that was actually one of the major territories back in the day. 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:03.759 So it absolutely is a wrestling town. 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.839 And the fact that you have Brock, yeah, I think that that I think that it helps. 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:12.240 Um I think Chad Gable's also from there, which we'll we'll talk about. 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:19.119 But I don't think if you can line up what could be his last match in his hometown, you should do that for him. 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:21.039 And it looks like they're there they're trying to. 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:24.960 But I wouldn't say, oh, if Brock wasn't on the card, you don't have it there. 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:26.720 All right. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.000 Enough about tickets. 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:29.759 Let's talk about the actual event. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:35.759 So, main event, Sam Punk, Cody Rhodes, undisputed WWE championship. 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.160 Uh, some are saying this is a dream match. 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.880 I don't know if I'm saying it, but some people are. 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.119 Uh, do you think this is the biggest match that Punk has had since returning? 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:59.599 Uh no, not since returning, because I would say his main the first his first WrestleMania back where he was healthy, uh, the real reason he came back was because he never made a mental WrestleMania in his mind. 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.599 You know, he did he he did go against the Undertaker at WrestleMania 29. 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:12.480 Most people would say any any uh WrestleMania match against Taker, you're probably like that's the main event, uh especially when the streak was still intact. 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:20.319 But I think his triple threat with Roman and Seth uh two years ago was absolutely incredible. 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:29.519 Um this but there is so much history between these two, uh like real personal history. 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.839 Punk took Cody under his wing when he first broke into the business. 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.880 Uh Punk left in 2014. 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:42.960 Uh Cody left in 2016 and went on and did things that Punk never could. 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:45.039 Cody started his own wrestling company. 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:52.480 Cody put uh I think 10,000 people in an arena without being involved in a wrestling company when nobody said that you could do it. 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.960 So I think that the tension like you the story's real. 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:03.200 Like the and the best part, the best part about wrestling for me is not when you when you overload it with gimmicks. 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.839 It's just you get two guys, there's real history there, let them tell the story. 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:13.599 So I think this is the biggest match of Cody's career since WrestleMania 40. 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:17.519 Uh and I I yeah, it's a dream match for me. 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:20.720 You don't agree? 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:22.480 That it's a dream match? 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.599 Yeah, you know, you don't you don't dream about this, Zach? 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.000 Like when you when you think about you know wrestling lore, it's not Cody Rhodes versus CM Punk. 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.319 Um, I mean no, it obviously is. 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:42.480 Um I'm just thinking like what would be what would be like a satisfying finish for you? 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.640 And wish more people in my life asked that. 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:52.240 Now I would say Cody cheating to to win. 00:19:52.480 --> 00:20:02.000 And like the ref goes down, Cody hits Punk with a low blow, gets him bloody, like hits him with

the belt, and actually turns heal. 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:03.920 I think that would be awesome. 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.839 That would be that would be absolutely awesome for me. 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:14.799 But the only outcome of this match that will piss me off is if Cody wins clean as a babyface. 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:16.960 I'm okay if Punk wins. 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:20.799 I'm okay if Cody wins as a heel, but Cody cannot win as a baby face. 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:21.759 That will piss me off. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.079 Which is probably what's gonna happen, by the way. 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.920 So if he does, then like what would what would the what would that set up then? 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:36.319 Because every, I mean, no matter like I mean, every uh Raw, every SmackDown, like it all leads to these PLEs, and obviously they're building up stories. 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:36.960 It should. 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:38.000 It should, right, in theory. 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:49.599 It should, but uh it does feel like at times these then are just building up for it just keeps building, it keeps building, and you're like, all right, where is the payoff here? 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:56.880 Uh so if if Cody wins clean, then what do you think they're trying to do? 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.119 Shove them down our throats. 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:10.720 Okay, but just to to give you my actual like happy ending, if you want to call it that, yeah, would be something happens with the ref. 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.880 And it's very clear that Cody could do something nefarious. 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:28.400 CM Punk is standing up, it's a little drawn out, cue the music, if you smell, the rock comes down, he's the final boss, Cody finally joins him and turns heal and punk. 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:29.759 And now you've got a story. 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:45.920 Like, first of all, you can do punk and cody from uh every minute at every event from here to the Royal Rumble, and then the rock gets a little too big for his britches, and it's maybe it's Cody versus Rock, or somehow you pull in Roman down the road for uh for Roman Rock, but that's what I would do. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:49.920 Like Do you think do you think punk rock would be uh huh? 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:50.480 Punk rock. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:51.599 We've already seen it. 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:52.640 We've already seen it. 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.759 You don't you don't think they'd just fire it down again? 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.440 Uh I think Rock has one more match left in him. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.200 And I think he won like I I think he wants it to be Roman. 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:04.880 And I don't know how you get there. 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:11.759 If well, if Cody's the big heel, then he turns his his sights to to Roman. 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:12.319 Right. 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:13.680 But that'd be how you do it. 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:18.319 But I think, listen, you don't talk you want to talk about WWE ticket sales? 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:21.119 The Rocks movies are flopping right now. 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.480 And whenever that happens, he always comes back to wrestling. 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.839 And then his movie, and then his movies always get exponentially better. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.720 Now I don't know why, but because the wrestling audience is like four million people. 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:34.960 So it's not huge. 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:40.319 Uh but this happened in 2011 when he was doing the fucking Tooth Fairy movies. 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:44.640 He had been gone for seven years, and boom, he comes back, and now he's doing Fast and Furious. 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:48.400 And he's doing all these other movies, and he's the biggest action star in the world again. 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:49.359 So yeah. 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:52.400 Oh, and he's on the board of directors for TKO. 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.440 You don't think Moana's like killing it right now? 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:56.480 It's not. 00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:57.680 It's not. 00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:58.319 Surprising. 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:03.440 The movie took that that but the movie that budget was like$200 million and it has not made that yet. 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:05.759 Yeah. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:06.559 Not great. 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.480 So yeah, that's my that's my idea of that. 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:13.359 Like you the rock is so good still on the mic. 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.400 So why not bring him back? 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:19.839 Do you think like do you think he helps? 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.640 I I it's it's such a generic question. 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:24.240 Do you think he helps? 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:28.880 Like I'm thinking you're paying five million dollars a year anyway. 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:35.440 I mean, like, like like I established, like we established at the top, I am very much casual. 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:39.599 Uh I've I get most of my info from you, yes. 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:46.400 Uh and so I I'm not in the weeds like you are when it comes to WWE. 00:23:47.279 --> 00:24:00.400 But but like, yes, I part of me gets excited to see oh rock's back, but it's also at the same time I look at him and I'm like, all right, like this isn't the same guy from like 1997. 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:07.759 Like no, it's better, it's better than 97, it's not as good as 2000, as 2000, but it's he's still he's still good. 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:16.400 So I mean, at some point, like well let me ask you a question though, because uh this always comes up like why do they have to keep drawing from the old names to to sell tickets? 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:17.680 I understand that. 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.799 Uh the Rolling Stones still sell out Chillette. 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:23.759 Springsteen still sells out Chillette. 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:29.759 If you had Springsteen, if you

had I had to, if you had the opportunity, let's just put it this way. 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:43.119 Let's say David Ortiz was still in 2000 and 2008 shape, right now, and there was no rule that you could not bring him back for a couple of games, wouldn't you? 00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:44.000 Yeah. 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:45.039 Right. 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:45.519 But thank you. 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:46.480 Just answered my question. 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.000 Okay, well, there we go. 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.680 Well, I guess I don't know. 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.279 I could go with that one. 00:24:53.839 --> 00:25:06.799 All I know is that if if the if if the Chief was still in 1984 form when uh uh in in 2010 against the Lakers, and we could have brought him back, everyone would have done it. 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.119 They would be like, oh, they're just bringing him back to sell a ticket. 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:10.640 No, they're bringing him back to fucking win. 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:16.559 Okay, and so WWE need their version of winning is selling tickets and generating buzz. 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:18.079 All right. 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.640 I was gonna say what what's winning, but you just answered it. 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:21.279 Selling tickets. 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:22.240 Welcome. 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:25.039 Ruman Reigns, Seth Rollins. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:34.240 I do so I do love that the shield rivalry rivalry is uh still alive as well. 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:35.759 I it is very tough for me. 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:36.640 It's hard. 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:41.519 Uh I think this is one of it's funny. 00:25:41.599 --> 00:26:02.640 Like, I I think there are some uh you know, factions or some tag teams that like you know they they either linger too long or they feel like it's kind of drawn out where like this feel like something about the shield and like they're like you know, they're good one day, they're not or like something about this feels authentic. 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.559 There's something about this feud that feels authentic. 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.200 Um do you consider it the greatest rivalry of their uh generation? 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:12.480 Yes, yep, 100%. 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:14.160 Uh no doubt about it. 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.680 Let me ask you, because you you you brought this up and you can't look it up. 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.319 Um how long was the shield together? 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.640 I'm gonna guess like nine months. 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:23.839 A year and a half. 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:30.880 And people are still pissed off that they broke up 12 years ago, like and the way that it happened. 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:38.079 Uh this is I don't know, like Piper. 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:43.279 Uh I would say this is like Macho Min Hogan of our generation. 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:49.839 Uh it's not Brett, Sean, but it's it's there because you can just always go back to it. 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.240 They deliver, there's a real story. 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:58.799 Uh, for what it's worth, you know, Roman has never beat Seth uh in a big match. 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:05.119 No, he did beat him on a Raw way back when, uh, but he's never beat him on in the Big Palee. 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.440 And at the height of the Bloodline's powers. 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:15.440 Now remember, the Roman was technically a heel. 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:17.200 Seth was also a heel. 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:19.599 Roy Rumble, 2022. 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.640 Roman comes to the ring, everybody's cheering him. 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:24.319 Seth was a pretty good heel. 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:25.680 How does he come to the ring? 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:27.440 He hits the shield music. 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.960 And Roman just is like looking around, like, what the fuck's going on? 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.079 And he cut he reenacted the entire entrance. 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:35.839 Yeah, so I think it's always there. 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:41.519 And Roman has never been able to get back at Seth for hitting hitting him with a chair. 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.720 He tried at WrestleMania 40 and it cost him the match. 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.880 So that that's that that to me is great storytelling. 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:55.839 Like they're they're they they keep putting things from the past as to why they're doing it uh in matches. 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:01.519 So this is the feud of our yeah, of this current generation, for sure. 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:03.759 Do you think Paul Heyman becomes a factor? 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:05.359 Do you want him to become a factor? 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:10.720 I don't know. 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:29.279 I mean, my dream is that Roman goes, it hits Seth in the back with the chair and the shield music hits, and it's John Moxley or Dean Ambrose, who's I'm pretty sure he's still under contract with the other with AEW, so that couldn't happen. 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.880 But if that did, that place would lose their fucking mind. 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:38.400 Uh because now you would have all three members of the SHIELD back for the first time in six years. 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:41.279 Is there a possibility? 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:49.440 I mean, is there anything contractually like like is he's always still Well, I think he I I think he's under contract with AEW still. 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.480 Um I can check. 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.519 You know, I'll just talk talk to my sources. 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.359 AEW contract. 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.000 Yeah, it runs through October 2027. 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:03.519 Of 2017. 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:05.279 Yeah, so it can't happen. 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.039 So that would be my dream. 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:07.920 Maybe there's a buyout. 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:08.559 I don't know. 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:10.000 Some secret buy-out.

00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:11.839 That'd be fucking awesome. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:12.400 That'd be great. 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:13.200 But that's the dream. 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:14.799 Not gonna happen though. 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.640 So here's the thing about this though. 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:27.440 You know, like when you have two uh I would say generational talents, it really does not matter. 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.400 Like nobody neither neither of them actually needs a win. 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:38.079 Roman hasn't been in a position where if he loses, he kind of looks bad in like six years. 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.400 He needs to beat Seth. 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:41.359 You think so? 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:41.680 Yeah. 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.920 Yes, he does, of course he does. 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:56.640 I mean, it's it's kind of because I think a lot of people were expecting him to lose, uh obviously to Cody, and then even like the WrestleMania before, like there was always like, oh, when's when's he finally gonna drop the title? 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.559 There was always people just wondering how long the run was gonna go. 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.039 But I mean he he saved wrestling. 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.079 Roman? 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.920 Roman Reigns and the bloodline absolutely saved saved wrestling. 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:27.200 They brought it back from the pandemic era, and then they were the reason why you know SmackDown, which is the show that they were on, went from drawing like seven to nine thousand fans per night to 2023-2024, they were drawing 15,000, they were selling out arenas for Smackdown. 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:29.200 That's all because of the bloodline. 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:36.480 Yeah, I mean yeah, I guess he does have to win. 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:43.119 Like you said, he he hasn't beaten Seth and Yeah, except for a throwaway raw match like a long time ago. 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:43.920 Yeah. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.640 Uh, do you think this will be the match of the weekend? 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:49.839 It'll be up there. 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.240 I think this will be the storytelling match of the weekend. 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:53.680 Match of the weekend for me. 00:30:53.759 --> 00:31:00.319 We haven't talked about it yet, but it's it's it's it's gonna be the the women's interc uh, the women's ladder match. 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.599 That's gonna be a fucking disaster to watch. 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:04.799 The woman's ladder? 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.119 In the best way possible, by the way. 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.519 Well, let's jump ahead to it then, I guess, right? 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.599 Yeah, I'm I'm I'm game. 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:17.359 Okay, so this is the it's what the interim women's championship ladder match. 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.720 Yeah, because Rhea Ripley legitimately got hurt in real life. 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:27.599 Uh, and they tried to keep her out there to uh to get ready for Summerson, but she she just couldn't do it. 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:39.279 Um so now they're gonna have an interim, which I love because then that then that instantly sets up an undisputed, you know, uh WWE women's champion. 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:44.319 Um every woman in this match can go. 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.039 We don't know the final qualifier yet. 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.880 I think we'll find out on Friday. 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.039 It's either gonna be Julia or Lash Legend. 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.920 Lash Legend is a fucking beast. 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.079 I mean, she can go. 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.559 Julia is an international superstar. 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:00.799 Um she's amazing. 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.119 But my favorite in this match is Chelsea Green. 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.759 Uh she is a well, she's a wrestling fan. 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.880 She grew up a wrestling fan, always wanted to be a wrestler, was always told that she wasn't pretty enough. 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.960 She didn't have the diva look. 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:25.839 Um she did she did WWE tough enough back in 2014, got legitimately hurt, but kept going. 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:37.039 Um she didn't win, but she went out on the independence and uh ring of honor and TNA and and she made a name for herself. 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:43.200 Like she she got to a point where she was undeniable, and she's another one that is so good as a heel. 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:48.079 Her gimmick is so ridiculous that people started sharing her. 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.880 And there's a she's she's actually afraid of heights. 00:32:53.920 --> 00:33:06.480 And she was in a Money in the Bank ladder match a couple years ago, climbed to the top, and somebody pushed her from the middle of the ring off the top of the ladder to the outside of her ring through the table, and it was the spot of the fucking night. 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.880 Um so yeah, I want her to win. 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:10.319 She's not going to, but I do. 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:11.119 I want her to win. 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:12.799 And who do you think should win? 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.920 I mean, it's so stupid to ever bet against Charlotte Flair. 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:22.559 And I hate that. 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.200 She's she's like the John Cena for the women. 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:25.839 Yeah. 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:34.160 Like 2006 to 2018, where if she's on a if she's on a marquee, she's gonna win. 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:40.160 Do you think it's good or bad for uh business and particularly the uh the woman's uh side? 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.880 Well, she's so good, you know. 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:58.400 Uh she gets shit on a lot because everyone's you're a netbell baby, but no, it's she picked up the business really really quickly, and it was it was her, uh Sasha Banks, that's her WWE name, um, Bailey and

Becky. 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:09.519 Like they were the four horsewomen of NXT that really helped WWE move from divas to actual, you know, women, women superstars, and now just superstars. 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:11.119 Uh, she's undeniable. 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.199 Um, and it's hard to throw her adversity. 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:22.480 Like, believably, the only person so far that's uh that's that's had her on the ropes was Rhonda. 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.920 Because Rhonda can legitimately kill most of the the roster, men and fear, male and female. 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:34.239 Um she's a bad, she's a bad babyface historically. 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.800 Nobody likes to cheer for her. 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.039 Uh so I don't know. 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:39.760 I it's fine. 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.239 I don't it doesn't hurt business because you know that if she's if she's on the marquee, she's gonna deliver. 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:59.039 Going back to the kind of the reason, I want to say the reason why SummerSlam's in Minneapolis, but a big a big part or big draw for it is Brock Lesnar. 00:34:59.280 --> 00:34:59.920 And Oba. 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:00.800 And Oba. 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.599 The uh hell in a cell match. 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:11.679 Do you I mean if this is Broadclass match, he has to put Oba over, right? 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.400 I mean he put him over in WrestleMania. 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.800 Took his boots off, took his gloves off. 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:18.480 So you gotta do it again, right? 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:22.480 I don't know. 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:28.719 Um do you also find that strange that like it's it's the same match again? 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:31.360 Is that weird? 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:38.559 Yeah, you know, I so that's weird to me. 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:47.679 Like I know I know WrestleMania wasn't that far from this, so like you could theoretically have a rematch, but this is their third. 00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:49.039 This is the tiebreaker. 00:35:49.440 --> 00:36:03.679 So alright, so I guess in that I guess in that sense like if you're comparing it to say like UFC, how they always you know, they always have a good uh match, and then they do with a rematch, and then like they do a part three of each guy's won. 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:28.719 So like I guess in that sense it it makes sense, but but at the same time, I uh WWE just feels so different than like any like UFC or boxing or any other combat sports that like you could have these standalone matches and and really create something special out of it. 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:44.960 Uh that you don't you don't need to have like a 3P, especially if like especially if it's a guy going out like like Brock, like I don't think you need to have a a 3P with uh you know uh you know an old school guy and and uh and a newer and a newer talent. 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.480 Oba is a legitimate fucking problem. 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.559 Like he is a big, big motherfucker. 00:36:52.960 --> 00:37:04.159 And there haven't been many people in WWE since 2012 when Brock came back that believably you're like, oh, this person could actually cause a problem. 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.000 Um and Brock is just so smart, dude. 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:09.679 Like he gets a lot of shit. 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.199 Uh not uh and mostly from the die-hard wrestling fans that are like, you know, he's it's just the same shit. 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.159 He walks in, suplexes, F5, it's over. 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:23.039 He sells so much for people. 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:40.480 And it's when when they originally when Brock did like an open challenge to set up the WrestleMania match, and Oba responded and answered it, like the look on Brock's face, Oba then throws him up in the air and picks him up for a power bomb. 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:46.400 And the the hot mic caught it, and I'm I'm I'm glad it did, but I'm it also pisses me off that it did. 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.400 Um Brock said, uh, put your foot on my chest. 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.000 Like he knew to make Oba look that good. 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.440 Um, it's a business for him. 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:03.199 I think, but I don't think he would come back if he didn't want to do the right thing for Oba. 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.440 I think he I think he's at this point in his career, again, he's 50 years old too. 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:07.760 Right? 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.239 He came in with John Cena in 2001. 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.639 So he doesn't do anything he doesn't want to do. 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.199 And no one can make him do anything. 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:28.800 Uh so yeah, I think this is gonna be, I don't think it's gonna be like a five-star classic, but I I don't know when the last time you watched an event that had Brock Lesnar on it. 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:38.239 I'm pretty sure it was WrestleMania 32 at my house when we uh you, me, John, and Holland did the Stone Cold stuff at the uh after he came back. 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:39.840 Yeah, it was 38, right? 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:41.840 Oh yeah, 30, yeah, 38. 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:42.320 Yeah, you're right. 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:43.440 32 Jesus. 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:48.480 Um But the the vibe changes when Brock comes in. 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.960 Like it feels like it feels like a big time fight. 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.719 Yeah, I mean anytime his his music hits, the place goes nuts. 00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:55.519 Fucking nuts. 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.039 Did diehards really like give Brock shit like that? 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.920 Like, do they really think it's like the same old shit? 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:04.960 Which is like Yeah, they're getting better. 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:17.440 But I mean, we did the same thing at Tassina, we were like, oh, it's just it's the five moves of Doom, like it sucks, and he and then

once they start slowing down, or they go away, you're like, wow, we didn't realize how good we had it. 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:19.599 And Brock is that good. 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:44.000 But I but I feel like that's such an interesting like mindset to have for Brock, given that I mean he came in like he came in as just like the I mean he was the biggest guy you you'd ever seen and moving at the speed, like I mean, I guess like the little bronze of of WWE, like young, huge, fast, like the athletic ability. 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.960 He like it was just he was a better Goldberg. 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:55.440 He was all right, and that's the and that's the thing I was gonna uh get to was like hearing that feedback sounds like what how people rightfully talk about Goldberg. 00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:06.320 Is that Goldberg was huge, but Goldberg was just stiff as shit and legitimately had the exact same matches every fucking time because he couldn't fucking wrestle. 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:07.679 He couldn't wrestle, he can't wrestle. 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:15.840 Like he even like I mean, you look at the his match with The Undertaker, I forget which uh which pay-per-view it was, but Crown Jewel is Saudi Arabia almost killed. 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.679 And it's like he almost got himself killed multiple times because he sucks. 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:31.519 Like uh so it's just funny to hear that like people have this type of feedback for Brock when like you said, he sells, he understands the business, he does very well. 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:33.760 All of his matches are very entertaining. 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:52.800 And he from all I I don't I don't know all like the behind the scenes and everything, and then I know you're much more in tune with that, but it it seems like he has a lot of respect from guys in the locker room and understands like when guys are being stiff, he's not afraid to send a receipt either. 00:40:53.039 --> 00:41:19.920 Uh like he he gets it, and it's just funny to hear any sort of negative feedback on that because I think a lot of times when these when a guy like Brock, especially when, especially when like Vince was still around, yeah, Vince has this vision of how guys are supposed to be, and like you know, if Brock's you know gonna follow the uh follow the lead of being just this big bruiser, and then maybe it seems it's repetitive, then yeah, maybe he's gonna do that. 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.920 But um, I mean it's it's good to hear that like people are kind of coming around on that. 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.639 And hopefully this match is a lot longer than the WrestleMania match, because that was what, like a minute? 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:29.760 Or felt like a minute? 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.599 No, it felt it felt like a minute. 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:37.679 That's but that's that's the deceptive thing about Brock, though, is that mania match is like seven minutes. 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:48.320 But every time he's in the ring, it feels like it just it's just over in an instant because it's just it's it's really fast action, and then it's just explosive, and then it's done. 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:57.840 Like it's you know, um he he is capable of having a 25-minute match and in it being five star. 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:03.360 Um he is a I I'm I don't know that he's on steroids. 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:04.239 I think he might be. 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.159 I don't know, but he's he that guy's a fucking specimen. 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.400 And he's like he's country strong. 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.119 He oh yeah, he left WWE because he didn't like he didn't like to travel. 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:24.639 He didn't like fans, he didn't like interacting with people, and he was he found himself uh you know mixing booze and pills back in 2004, so he left. 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.920 And he became a legitimate badass in UFC. 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:43.679 And then man, like not to spin this around, like because it's gonna be a whole nother hour-long conversation, but Brock caught a lot of shit for breaking the streak. 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.519 Yeah, which I'm gonna there's literally no other person that should have, in my opinion. 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.119 You don't think anyone else should have? 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:51.679 No. 00:42:52.239 --> 00:43:06.719 Um well maybe, but you can't pit an undefeated uh Undertaker against Brock Lesnar and say to me, like, tell me straight to my face Ticker can beat him. 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:07.760 Because he can't. 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.400 It's just not that that's not believable in any fucking realm. 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:13.599 It doesn't matter. 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:14.559 Right. 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:47.360 Do you think um you said like seven um like you said the last match was like seven minutes, seven and a half minutes, and I guess like for big big names over the years, like I guess when I look at either WrestleMania or other PLEs, I I look at like yeah, on your shirt, Shawn Michaels having 20-something minute matches with The Undertaker or um you know any other big headliners like having these long like do you think that's necessary for Brock? 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:53.519 Do you think that would be like a good do you want like would you want to see like a 15-20 minute match with uh Brock? 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.599 Or do you think that's just kind of overkill at that point? 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:56.960 Yeah, no, no, absolutely. 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:58.000 I would because he can do it. 00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:58.639 He's that good. 00:43:58.719 --> 00:43:59.519 I no, I don't know. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.039 Again, Oba is a a specimen. 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:04.639 He's instantly over. 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.559 Um, I don't know if he can have a 20-minute match. 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.239 And at this point in Brock's career, yeah, he's almost 50 years old, he's a part-timer.

00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.599 I don't know if he could lead a 20-minute match with the guy that we if we don't know is ready. 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:20.159 You know? 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:25.440 Um, but if you put Brock out there with again, we've we've seen these matches. 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.599 Brock and Seth, Brock and Roman, Brock and Punk, those were all 20-minute matches. 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:33.280 And they're all all of them are great. 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:41.519 And how do you think uh so I think I said it before, but I I guess we'll we'll wrap it up with this. 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.320 Do you think he puts them over? 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.760 If you gun to your head, you had to pick one. 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:46.719 He puts Obo over. 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:48.880 Yeah, I think he puts him over. 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:51.440 And are you happy with that? 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.840 I don't want Brock to retire. 00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.079 I mean, he has to at some point, right? 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:04.320 I don't I mean, Rick Flair wrestled until he was 60, and he was wrestling 180 days a year. 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.639 Brock is in way better shape. 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:11.119 Do you really want to like do you want to see a 60-year-old Brock Lesnar? 00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:12.239 Like, do you really want to see that? 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:13.440 Like, did people really want to see it? 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:19.760 Brock if Brock Lesnar is 60 years old and he's 265 pounds of pure fucking muscle, like he currently is. 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.119 Yeah, I mean, everyone needs to know when to write off in the sunset. 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:23.599 I get it. 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:30.719 Like, I I I get it, but that's the whole point, is because at least Ric Flair had the he had the luxury of having evolu evolution. 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:37.519 Like, I think evolution helped extend Flair's career and it actually gave him some sort of purpose. 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.159 Like, otherwise, he just would have been the old guy in the roster. 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:41.519 And like, what the fuck would he like? 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:45.119 Even though it's Ric Flair, and like he's a legend, don't get me wrong. 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.440 But evolution made sense and still propelled him and made him relevant. 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.679 Like, and I that sounds so disrespectful, but like it does. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.199 But like again, it makes it sellable to have this old guy on the roster still. 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:06.320 Um I just want to point out that he retired from WWE four years after Evolution broke up. 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:16.239 And then he went on to have a three-year wrestling career at TNA, and then actually had his final wrestling match in Nashville, Tennessee, two years ago. 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.239 Yes, all very memorable, very high quality stuff. 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.559 Uh

his TNA run wasn't bad, actually. 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:23.440 You sure? 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:24.400 Yeah, oh yeah. 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.239 He had a he had a wild match with Mick Foley, who should never have had that match. 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:33.840 Um, and if it if if he didn't go to TNA, we would have never got the Jay Lethal impersonation. 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:35.760 So yeah, I'm forever grateful that he went there. 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:36.559 Fair enough. 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:37.599 Fair enough. 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.599 Um switch it over to the women's uh division preview. 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:47.599 I know we talked, we briefly talked about the latter match, but uh uh the women's world championship. 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.840 Uh do you think Liv Morgan has become the WWE's biggest field star? 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:53.199 Yes, yes, yes. 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:54.800 I fucking love Liv Morgan. 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:56.480 I've always loved Liv Morgan. 00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:00.960 She is, again, she always wanted to be a wrestler when she was 13 years old. 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.039 Uh and like her her real backstory is is wild. 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:09.119 Um, her parents weren't good to her, her family wasn't good to her. 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.519 Uh but she always wanted to be always wanted to be a wrestler. 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:19.760 Like that she said that her her her sanity was on Monday and Thursdays, and that was SmackDown in Raw. 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.440 Um so yeah, I think she's so fucking good. 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.719 Uh and she's gotten exponentially better in the ring. 00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:32.960 So yeah, I Liv Morgan, in my opinion, unless unless it's Daria Ripley, should never lose. 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:36.079 Uh is it EOS guy? 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:37.119 Is that my saying that right? 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.000 I also fucking love EOS guy, so this is a problem. 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:54.800 Uh because it's not often that Japanese wrestlers like really get over because it's that is a hard accent to to throw and to be able to cut a promo. 00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:03.440 Now, Eosky can't cut a promo to save her fucking life, but when she's in the ring, everyone cheers for her, everyone loves her because she's just that good. 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:09.039 She got the facial expressions, she's like the classic underdog that everyone always forgets. 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:14.320 Um these two could have a fucking wild match, a really, really wild match. 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.719 So yeah, I don't want EO to lose either. 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.199 Like this this sucks for me. 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.159 And uh fill me out like fill me out on this. 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:47.360 So I know uh like the Mexican, like Latin American style wrestlers, like in Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio Luchador style is a lot more fluid, a lot more like airborne, um, like seems a little more

choreographed um in terms of uh you know, it looks like a dance when you're watching like the luchador style wrestling. 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.159 Is there anything different with Japanese style? 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:50.880 Yes. 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.719 Um, so they do all of that, except they're known for their strong style. 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.519 Basically, it's uh it they're stiffer. 00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:05.280 It's it's it's a uh much lighter work than is shoot. 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.960 Um but yeah, she's she's incredible. 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:14.880 She can do all the luchador shit, and she can get in there and chop you or kick you square in the fucking mouth. 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.800 Um, she's a badass. 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.239 What do you do you expect some of that to shine in this match too? 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:28.480 Yeah, yes, yeah, because Liv, the best part about Liv is she and she's she's so good of a heel, everyone loves her, is that she sells better. 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:33.119 I mean, she she sells like Sean did in '97. 00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:34.239 In '98. 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.559 Like she just flops around that fucking ring. 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.960 Like and like Flair did in the late 80s. 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.440 And she makes she makes everybody she's in there with. 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.159 Where do you see uh where do you see this one going? 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:48.559 Do you think uh it's gotta be Liv. 00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:49.360 You think so? 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:50.320 Has to be. 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.480 We don't think there's a chance for Sky? 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:56.159 Well, I think there is EO always wins. 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:02.719 So yeah, I do think there's a chance, but uh there's no reason for me that you take the title off of Liv. 00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:09.920 And then the uh what the Bellas. 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.800 I fucking hate the Bella twins. 00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:14.639 I've always hated the Bella twins. 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.880 They are as people, they're fine. 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:17.599 Like whatever. 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.400 This is just my my wrestling fan take on them. 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:35.679 They want to take credit for ushering in a new generation of of women's wrestling when they were the the stereotypical diva, they were the bra and panty matches that couldn't do anything. 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.280 Um now Nikki got better for sure. 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:45.920 Uh but I love Paige and the fact that Paige is back. 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.519 Uh I hate that that she's been in this tag team thing since she returned at WrestleMania. 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:59.199 I do think this is a way for WWE to get uh to get people familiar with her again, uh, because she'd been away for for so long. 00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:04.639 Uh but listen, anytime that Paige is in the ring, I want her to win. 00:51:06.480

--> 00:51:13.360 And uh do you think this will instead elevate fatal flu influence? 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:16.639 Well, fatal influence is good. 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:19.039 Like every single one of them is uh they're good in the ring. 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.159 Uh they're good in their good promos. 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:24.320 I'd be okay. 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:33.039 Yeah, I the I don't think is is the the titles aren't up for graphs, so I think fatal influence should win. 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:40.000 Do you think uh that's kind of a random question, but like I mean there are only so many titles that can really go around. 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:50.960 Do you think it's uh like do you think there's any use or do you think it it makes sense to have non-title matches for these PLEs? 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.280 Yeah, yeah, 100%. 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.880 Um and let me give you a good example. 00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:00.639 Undertaker versus Shawn Michaels headline WrestleMania two years in a row. 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:01.840 There was no titles. 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:07.440 Well, except for the second one was that if he lost, he'd have to retire. 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.039 So, like that, that was something on the line. 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.920 But I guess for WrestleMania 25, there was nothing on the line there. 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.000 Yeah, and they were like the sixth match, they weren't even the main event, but they stole the fucking show. 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.239 Uh I think some matches don't need titles. 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:22.559 Fair enough. 00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:27.440 I'll I have a this is this is this is not one of those matches, by the way. 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:29.360 So don't don't back me into a corner. 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:30.000 No, no, no. 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:36.239 No, I there's there's a separate point I was gonna make, which I mean, I guess I'll make it now since we're talking about it. 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:49.519 Because I was thinking about uh SummerSlam and the big four, and especially being on like ESPN and you know getting a lot more widespread recognition in that sense. 00:52:50.079 --> 00:53:02.400 Do you think it makes sense for them to introduce like King of the like there's only two pay-per-viewer PLEs that have uh titles related to that specific PLE. 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.199 It's Royal Rumble, and tell me if I'm wrong, Royal Rumble and King of the Ring. 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:08.800 Is that right? 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.400 King of the Ring hasn't been a PLE in years. 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.119 So that that's that hasn't existed in a while. 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:29.519 Well, okay, I guess I'll stand corrected because they now it's a Saudi pay-per-view where they they crown uh like uh men's king of the ring and a woman's king of the ring, and then that's like the Royal Rumble for SummerSlam. 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.519 So yeah, for the last two years it's been

back. 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.280 But yeah, uh so it's like a P. 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:42.639 So I guess I'm saying like there's only really two PLE specific titles or things you can win. 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:50.639 Where it's like if you win the Royal Rumble, you can I could say to you, Mike, who won Royal Rumble 1999, and you'd be able to tell me who did. 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.440 Yeah, pretty sure it was Vince. 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.000 I was gonna say you're you're gonna remember what it was. 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.599 And then, but then I could also say, like, oh, who won King of the Ring 94? 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:00.960 And you could probably tell me the same. 00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.159 Yeah, so no, it was Owen, probably won 93. 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:04.559 Okay. 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:26.639 So so I guess do you think it'd be do you think it would make sense given that they're now on like ESPN, they have like this more uh wider sports fan audience to have like a WrestleMania title or like trophy or no uh like a summer or survivor series they you okay, but so that's great that you mentioned that. 00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:28.159 I was waiting for you to mention that. 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:36.159 Traditionally, Survivor Series main events were always uh a traditional 10-man tag and elimination, right? 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.400 So they're like you had your sole survivor. 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.679 Uh they've done away with that, and now they brought in War Games. 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:54.639 So there are two War Games matches every year now on Survivor Series, and War Games was uh the NWA or WCW's counter uh to Survivor Series or vice versa. 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:59.920 They I think I'm pretty sure uh yeah uh War Games was was first. 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.320 Um so yeah, they they've gotten back to that. 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:09.039 They they they do they do have gimmicks that align with the title of the name. 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:21.679 And you don't you don't want to see like ever a because like I look at like WrestleMania and be like, oh, there could be like I don't want to give them a green jacket, but like it'd be cool to have the equivalent of you know the masters. 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:22.960 They tried. 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:29.440 They used to have a six-man ladder match that was only at WrestleMania, and it was called Money in the Bank. 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.679 And then that got so big that that became its own pay-per-view. 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.119 But that was never like the headliner, though. 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:44.159 Of Mania, no, but it it it stole the show like five years in a row and and it became its own fucking pay-per-view. 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:45.920 Yeah, right. 00:55:46.320 --> 00:56:02.239 Well, I I was thinking about it today, going into today's podcast, thinking that you know, what if they did, like I said, what if they had specific titles for these pay-per-views, and like you can only defend it, you can only go for it like at that pay-per-view. 00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:13.440 Um, and I don't know if that would draw more eyeballs for for these, especially for you know these casuals or people you're trying to get from ESPN to say, like, oh yeah, we were you know, we were here last year. 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:21.440 Remember Cody Rhodes was last year's WrestleMania uh inaugural champion, like uh you know, who's gonna take it this year? 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:28.400 You know, something like that year by year, the same way we're saying that you know Roy McElroy is the back-to-back masters champion. 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.000 Can he win three in a row? 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:31.840 Same thing with like WrestleMania. 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:45.360 I don't know if that would help bring in more casual sports fans or or folks who haven't, you know, really I think the way that they look at WrestleMania is very similar to the way that people look at uh golf fans look at the Masters. 00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:48.559 It doesn't matter who plays in the Masters, you're gonna watch it. 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.440 It's like, you know, that's one of their signature events. 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:54.960 Cool. 00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.800 Well hey, listen, uh if Fallovek wants to take my idea, by all means have a blog. 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:01.440 He doesn't. 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:02.159 He doesn't. 00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:02.639 It's fine. 00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:03.760 It's okay. 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:06.159 Um mid-card. 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.719 Mid card's always fun, right? 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:18.159 Well, I don't yeah, the on the SummerSlam is gonna be fun, but there's there's a match on the card that I don't even want to discuss. 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:19.840 Which one do you not want to discuss? 00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:20.800 We're not gonna tell you. 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.079 So we'll just talk about the mid-card. 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:23.920 No, I want to hear which one you don't want to discuss. 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:24.719 No, no, no. 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.639 I'll I'll you'll see it in my face. 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.119 Is it the uh let me guess? 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:33.599 It's gonna be uh uh Dominic Mysterio. 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.159 I fucking love Dominic Mysterio. 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:37.599 Is that the match you don't want to talk about? 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:38.239 Yes. 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.440 So let's talk about it. 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:40.159 No, no. 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:41.519 Was that right or no? 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.280 Yes, yes, that's the match I don't want to talk about. 00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.559 Why why don't you want to talk about this, but we're gonna talk about it anyway? 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:56.079 Because it's uh Danhausen and uh and Dominic are are so good, like they're they're just good. 00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.960 Dominic's a really

good wrestler, he's a great heel. 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:04.320 Um, he doesn't need a stupid real monies on a poll match, whatever the fuck it's called. 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:05.119 Well, all right. 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.679 I was trying to look that up and understand what the hell it was. 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:09.119 Can you explain it for me? 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:09.760 No. 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:10.639 Why? 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.079 Uh no, I I can't. 00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:12.559 I don't know. 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.079 I mean, I I I can't wrap my head around what it actually is. 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:18.800 So I don't know. 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:19.679 You don't know. 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.880 I've been watching and I still don't truly understand what it is. 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:24.320 And what's it called again? 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:26.159 Isn't it like real monies on the pole? 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:28.159 What is what did I put in the rundown for you? 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.159 You I it just says comedy belongs on SummerSlam question mark. 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:37.360 But like I tried this, yeah, I tried looking this match up and I was trying to look up everything about it. 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.719 And it's hum hum human monies on the pole match. 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:42.000 So what does that mean? 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:43.280 I don't fucking know, dude. 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:44.559 I don't know what it means. 00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.320 That's why I didn't want to talk about it, because it's shit like this that I'll be honest. 00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:53.519 Like, this was the one I wanted to talk about because I think it's just one you I just wanted you to explain to me like what the hell it was. 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:54.079 I can't. 00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:54.960 I don't know what it is. 00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:00.000 And like there was a I don't know if it was a bleach report thing that or something that said, like, oh, here's a history of them. 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:03.039 It was going back to like the 50s, and I'm like, Yeah, what is it? 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:05.440 Yeah, I don't fucking I don't know. 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:12.960 And it's matches like this that irritate me because I have to defend wrestling to people who are like, Well, what's what the fuck is that? 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:13.840 And I don't I don't know. 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:15.039 I don't I don't know what it is. 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:20.159 So let me tell you this, because Dominic Mysterio is obviously a well-known name. 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:21.760 He's had big matches. 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.840 I mean do you think do you think this is beneath him? 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.199 You don't know who Dan Housen is, do you? 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:30.719 You tell me. 00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:33.679 Do I tell you that you don't know who he is? 00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:34.960 Yeah, I don't think you know who he is. 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:40.159 This kid, this gimmick is so ridiculous that everybody loves it. 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:41.840 Like it's so bad it's good. 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:44.639 Um, so no, this is not this is not beneath him. 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:54.239 I do think this this is gonna open uh well, I don't know about the be the first match, but I think it'll be the one of the matches included in in the first hour for free. 00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:58.239 Uh because the kid's just so just so damn entertaining. 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:00.960 Um no, it's not beneath him at all. 01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:04.000 Who would you rather see? 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:08.960 Uh would you rather see Dominic face someone else on SummerSlam? 01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:12.480 Like, do you think he'd be a more entertaining match for this paper? 01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.880 No, I'd rather not, I'd rather it not be a stupid title on a poll match. 01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:22.800 You know, if it was just like if it was for a belt or if it was just a street fight, like whatever. 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:23.519 That'd be cool. 01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:29.280 But it'll it'll be it, it will be entertaining because neither of those two know how to disappoint an audience. 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:29.760 They don't. 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:35.440 They're just they're just so you're more you're more annoyed by the the match format rather than the actual match itself. 01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:46.960 Yeah, like it just brings me back to WCW and like a Viagra and a pole match, and it's just I I just hate having to defend what's a Viagra in a pole match. 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:54.320 Just uh like a Viagra pill on a pole, like like a literal pole or like someone. 01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:56.559 Yeah, yeah, you have to climb up and get it. 01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:57.760 The Viagra. 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:03.039 Yeah, there was like buff Bagwell's mother on a pole match, and there wasn't like it's so stupid. 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:04.400 Like that those are the things that irritate. 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.719 So it's like a ladder match where you have to get the belt or like that, but it's on a pole instead. 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.800 Yeah, there's a pole on on one of the turnbuckles, and you have to climb it. 01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:14.159 How big is the pole? 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:19.199 Not much of a size queen, but I'd say it's like a 10-foot pole. 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.360 Is there anything that you could put on the pole that would make you like this match? 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:25.519 No. 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:28.079 Nothing they put on top. 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:34.159 I don't like having to say on a pole in regards to a match in in professional wrestling. 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.440 I think it's just I think it uh it it instantly cheapens it. 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:39.679 But hanging from the ceiling's fine. 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:40.159 Yeah. 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:41.599 Court ladder

match, yeah. 01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.280 It doesn't say title suspended on a strap match. 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:46.000 You know what I mean? 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:46.960 It's a ladder match. 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:48.639 Could it just be a poll match? 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:50.960 What's the point of the poll? 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:52.880 Well, there's something on it. 01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:53.519 Okay. 01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:56.559 What do I get when I get it? 01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:58.320 Whatever's on it. 01:01:58.960 --> 01:01:59.360 Right. 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:00.960 What's human monies? 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:03.840 It's money by the it's money. 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:05.360 It's money by the way. 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:06.159 Okay. 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:13.360 But saying if the title was on the, you know, they had the belt on the pole, would you be fine with that? 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:15.119 No. 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:16.159 Okay. 01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:18.719 I'm just seeing where the line is here, Mike. 01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:19.039 That's all. 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:19.599 I don't I don't know. 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:21.039 The line is on a pole. 01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.360 I don't want to have to include that in any rundown that I do. 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.199 And it pissed me off that I had to. 01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:31.679 Uh any of these other uh Yes, uh Penta versus Chad Gable could steal the show. 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.320 That is that is gonna be a a wrestling clinic. 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:38.719 Penta is an amazing luchador, instantly over with the crowd. 01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:43.840 Chad Gable has been given so many bad gimmicks, and yet everybody still cheers for him. 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:59.599 Um the whole premise of this match is that uh Penta beat him, I think it was like a year and a half ago, on Raw, and then Chad Gable turned himself into a luchador named Um El Grande Americano, which is fucking hysterical. 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.960 And he denied that it was him, obviously. 01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:04.960 Um, but everybody knew it. 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:09.039 And then he got hurt in real life. 01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.480 So they brought in another El Grande Americano who was the Swiss guy. 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:19.760 Um, and back's backstory is they had a match at triple A. 01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:24.960 Uh, and it's it's it's uh one of the top 10 matches of the last 10 years. 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:26.880 Like it was just that good. 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.159 Um I think I love Penta. 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:31.840 Chad Gable needs to win this. 01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:37.519 Um Baron Corbin just can't is just coming back. 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:40.719 So he was fired, I think, a year ago. 01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.320 Um I think he's gonna be fed to Trick Williams. 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:50.719 Um it it makes more sense to me for Baron Corbin to win. 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:56.719 Uh, because uh a fa you know, a heel is always better when he holds the title and the baby face is chasing. 01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:06.559 Um but just to rattle all these off for you, the best mid-card match is Gunther versus Nick Aldous. 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:16.239 Nick Aldous is the general manager of SmackDown, Gunther is the guy who is retired, Goldberg, John Cena, and AJ Styles all in the span of a year. 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:26.800 Um and uh Gunther just pushed the GM so far that everyone no one in WWE remembers how good Nick Aldous was. 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.800 He was a NWA world heavyweight champion um not too long ago. 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.599 Uh, and I'm pretty sure he's the husband of Mickey James. 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:39.039 That is so yeah, I think Gunther should not destroy him. 01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:44.159 This should not be a squash, this should be a 15-minute match, and obviously Gunther should win. 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:51.920 And I do want to make note that I I do miss the Happy Corbin uh character. 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:57.039 That was such a shitty gimmick that he he made it. 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:06.159 I just remember going to uh WrestleMania, watching WrestleMania at your house, and I'm just like, why is he happy Corbin? 01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:08.719 Well, he hit the lottery, and now he's he's happy. 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.360 Like that is the fucking greatest thing I've ever heard of my life. 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:13.360 Like, this is this is my favorite wrestling. 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:14.639 Like, well, he's not gonna win tonight. 01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.079 I'm like, what a shame. 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:17.760 What an absolute shame. 01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:23.360 Then he lost all of his all of his money gambling, and he became like like poor. 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:25.760 It was hysterical, but he's so good. 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.760 But what people don't know is Baron Corbin is a legitimate tough guy. 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.760 Like he was a bare knuckle fighter. 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.719 Yeah, uh so they need to use him correctly. 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:43.679 I'm uh so I'm pulling for him to win, just just based on the uh As you said the previous Happy Corbin uh persona, which again hilarious. 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:48.079 Uh six man tag, bloodline chaos, as some may say. 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:49.760 Uh some may say that. 01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.599 Do you uh are you excited for this one? 01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:55.679 How do you feel about six man tag matches overall? 01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:57.599 I like six man tag matches. 01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:13.679 Um the the my only problem with This is that the bloodline should have been over after 20 after yeah, 2024, when uh Roman came back and they did a bloodline like civil war at uh at Survivor Series war games. 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.239 That was incredible, it was awesome. 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.679 Um I love Jacob Fat too.

01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:21.119 The guy's a fucking animal. 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.679 He he can do so many crazy things in the ring. 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.800 All these fucking Samoans, that they're they're just insane. 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:27.519 All of them agree. 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.199 Yokozuna, all of them, they're all great. 01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:34.159 Um, but I love Ally Knight. 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:38.719 Solo Sokoa is the corniest of the bunch. 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:41.360 He's the little brother of Jimmy and Jay Uso. 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:48.000 And he's again a guy who was brought in as an enforcer with Roman during the height of the bloodline. 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.840 They never let him talk. 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.880 But man, you give that guy a microphone, he's hysterical. 01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:54.559 He is just hysterical. 01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:58.719 So I'm rooting for uh solo, Ellie Knight, and Royce. 01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.239 Um pulling up some notes here. 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:08.960 Why uh why is it when I look up Royce Keys, it comes up as Powerhouse Hobbes? 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:11.840 Uh that's who he was in AEW. 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:12.480 Okay. 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.320 So I guess Google Google needs uh to fix their shit then, I guess. 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:17.920 Yeah, he hasn't had many matches. 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:26.719 I I think he I'm pretty sure he came in at the Rumble in Saudi, um, which was just like six months ago. 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.679 So this will be a really big event for him. 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:36.159 Um so you think it uh do you think it's gonna help elevate him in a way? 01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.440 Like what do you so what do you think is kind of like the purpose of the six-man tag? 01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:43.280 That's a great question. 01:07:43.360 --> 01:08:01.199 Um I think yeah, Royce will they're they're gonna show him off, but this is to to really hard launch solo as a baby face, um, and keep the spotlight on the bloodline as much as possible. 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:06.800 I think anyone that's not actually Samoan in this match is gonna take a back seat. 01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:11.840 Um but solo is just so fucking funny. 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:15.840 Like he's so ridiculously funny that he's undeniable. 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:27.199 He came out uh on Raw last uh this past week and just walked through the crowd and did all of the Uso's like old gimmick when they were actually like the Samoans and slapping each other on the chest. 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:32.720 And like he just walked through the crowd going like pew pew pew pew, and the place is just going fucking nuts. 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:40.079 Like some some guys have it, he has it, and I I want he should be a a champion at some point in time down the road. 01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:46.239 Uh one last match here to uh preview uh Sami Zayn and Vin Taylor. 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:48.479 Yeah, Finn Balor, by the way. 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:50.000 Finn Balor, my bad. 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:50.560 Sorry. 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.439 Sammy was WWE champion. 01:08:54.560 --> 01:09:00.560 He won in Saudi in June, or is it July? 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:01.680 Yeah, one of the two. 01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:04.560 And then nine days later he loses to CM Punk. 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:08.079 Um, I'm glad he was champion. 01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.640 I'm glad he was a great underdog. 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.640 They only did it because he was in Saudi and and it was he was kind of the hometown boy. 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:24.000 Um this match will be great because they're both great wrestlers, but I don't I think they're just doing it to to make sure that they're both featured. 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.680 And it's a number one contender match, so like what would they be contending for? 01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:29.199 It's a great question. 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:31.039 So you don't even know. 01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.479 I thought I felt very stupid asking that, but we don't even know either. 01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:35.439 So I guess it's a good question. 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:37.920 It's it's for the it's for the world heavyweight championship. 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:38.239 Okay. 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.319 And who currently holds that? 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:44.720 Uh Roman holds the World Heavyweight Championship. 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:46.159 So Okay. 01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:52.479 So ultimately one of these guys would face whoever wins between Roman and Seth. 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:53.119 Yeah. 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:58.399 So thinking of that, what would you think would be the best outcome for both matches? 01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.720 And then ultimately they would face each other. 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:05.279 Well, there's a history between Roman and Sami Zayn. 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:15.359 Sami was like the uh the non uh Samoan member of the bloodline, uh the original bloodline, and he again he was fucking hysterical. 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:16.479 He's so good. 01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.239 Uh that there's there's history there. 01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:23.359 Finn and Seth could have a great match too. 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:24.800 Uh they already had one. 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:37.279 So I think it'd probably be now, unless they just say that this is not for uh the world heavyweight championship, and they change their mind and they're like, well, it's actually for you know the Intercontinental title or something like that. 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:41.199 Yeah, but it it says it's for the undisputed number one contenders match. 01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:49.359 So I I think you have to have Finn Balor win because we already saw Sammy as a as a champ, and he lasted nine days. 01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:53.520 All right. 01:10:54.800 --> 01:11:02.399 Where you look spent no, it's just this is the most wrestling I've talked in like ever.

01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.000 It's it's refreshing. 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.159 I feel great, it's nice. 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:14.399 Um where do you uh where do you think this SummerSlam is gonna rank? 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.319 Like, do you have high expectations for this one? 01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:18.159 Do you think it's very high expectations? 01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:24.640 So there's a very high barrier setting that you could be also very disappointed as well. 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:28.479 Oh yeah, I mean it's that's life, dude. 01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:34.880 Um, I've been very disappointed in WWE many times, and I still come back. 01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:51.119 Uh, but just based on the talent that they have on this card, um if everything goes well, and there could be surprises, you know, if like listen, if the rock fucking comes out and everything else that I want to happen happens, like this will be a top 10 SummerSlam of all time. 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:53.920 So you want the rock to come out, is what you're saying. 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:54.720 Correct. 01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:01.520 And so what's the next what's the next PLA after this one? 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:15.680 Uh it's either a clash or it's WrestlePalooza, which is what they that's how they launched on ESPN in last September. 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:18.720 Um I'm sure it's an international event. 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.279 Like they they love their international PLEs now. 01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.479 Actually, so do I, because then it starts at 2 p.m. 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:27.039 Oh, you and you can go to bed early. 01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:27.760 Who would have thought? 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:29.279 Well at the same time, usually, yeah. 01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:30.960 I mean I'm not I'm not staying. 01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:32.880 This is I'm gonna have to stay up late for this one. 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:33.680 Yep. 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:50.079 Any uh any last takeaways from or I don't know if it's a takeaway, but uh any last thoughts on this uh upcoming SummerSlam that you uh wanted to share that I didn't uh touch on? 01:12:51.359 --> 01:13:01.600 No, I feel I I think listen, again, they have the opportunity to really uh to silence a lot of the haters right now. 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:08.800 Um I I I do expect them to put out a uh an attendance of you know uh 40,000 per night. 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.439 Uh hopefully it's real and it's not papered. 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:13.680 Uh that will help my checkbook a little bit. 01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:20.479 Um if this is Brock's last match, like for real, for real, like thank you, Brock. 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:28.319 Uh when you think of he he he's been a WWE superstar for the better part of 24 years. 01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:31.199 And he's still a fucking ass kicker. 01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.640 Everyone still loves the most people still just are in all of them. 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:41.680 Um so I think that this has all the ingredients to be uh again a top 10 Summer Sun of all time. 01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:46.479 I guess we'll uh I guess we'll find out this upcoming weekend, right? 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:47.279 It starts on Saturday. 01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:47.920 Saturday and Sunday. 01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:49.439 Saturday and Sunday, Saturday night. 01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:50.880 ESPN. 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:55.920 Um Zach, thank you so much for for joining me today on K Fabe Critics. 01:13:56.079 --> 01:14:02.479 I I'm glad that uh all that indoctrination and grooming paid off that we can finally do a one-hour podcast. 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:07.039 Um for those of you that want to listen to regular sports, uh, we will be back next week. 01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.239 I have no fucking clue what we're talking about, but that's usually the fun of it. 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:16.960 So for Zach Gray, this is Mike Marcangelo saying thank you so much for listening to K Fabe Critics, and we will talk to you next week.