Transkrip lengkap untuk Ben Stiller

--> 00:02:33.969 positive note. No, no, no. 42 00:02:34.009 --> 00:02:37.520 I'm not holding my breath, but not in a negative way. 43 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:40.620 No, I feel like I want to be your friend. 44 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:42.960 I do want to be your friend. I don't see 45 00:02:42.979 --> 00:02:44.819 what the hindrance is. Well, I feel like it just 46 00:02:44.860 --> 00:02:48.419 hasn't happened yet, and we've known each other kind of for, what, 47 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:49.360 maybe 30 years? 48 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:50.560 Well, I wanted to get into that. We've known each 49 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:51.419 other a really long time. 50 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:52.020 I mean, is it 30 years? 51 00:02:52.139 --> 00:02:53.539 I feel like it's 30 years. I feel like it's 52 00:02:53.620 --> 00:02:54.560 back to SNL. 53 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.879 I can tell you exactly the first time I saw 54 00:02:57.300 --> 00:03:01.330 the image of Ben Stiller. I was at Starnout Live 55 00:03:01.930 --> 00:03:04.909 and this tape came in and it was, I think 56 00:03:05.409 --> 00:03:09.039 we heard that this new guy might be coming. And 57 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:12.919 I don't know if this is 1989, 88, somewhere around there. 58 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.759 This tape came in and all I knew, all I 59 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.360 heard was, you got to see this, you got to 60 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:20.280 see this. And I watched it and it was you 61 00:03:20.379 --> 00:03:22.099 doing a Tom Cruise. 62 00:03:23.060 --> 00:03:24.159 Yes, a takeoff. 63 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.750 And it was a takeoff. And I know, I remember 64 00:03:26.810 --> 00:03:29.680 Color of Money being in there. Was it all Color 65 00:03:29.699 --> 00:03:31.560 of Money or was it other scenes too? 66 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:33.460 No, it was a takeoff on the Color of Money 67 00:03:33.500 --> 00:03:34.620 called The Hustler of Money. 68 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.659 Yeah, yeah. And it was about bowling instead of pool. 69 00:03:39.740 --> 00:03:42.009 And it was a short that I made with, I 70 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.500 was in a play, a play called The House of 71 00:03:44.530 --> 00:03:46.710 Blue Leaves that was running, I guess at that point 72 00:03:46.729 --> 00:03:48.650 it was on Broadway. It started at Lincoln Center and 73 00:03:48.710 --> 00:03:52.750 John Mahoney and Julie Haggerty and Swoozie Kurtz, all these 74 00:03:52.789 --> 00:03:54.710 people were in the cast and it was, The play 75 00:03:54.750 --> 00:03:56.310 was a big success. I had a small part, and 76 00:03:56.330 --> 00:03:58.379 it was like my first job. And I got everybody 77 00:03:58.409 --> 00:04:01.539 in the cast to be in this little spoof that 78 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.379 I made, and then got it on SNL somehow. 79 00:04:04.699 --> 00:04:06.960 It was. So I remember exactly where it was. 80 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.780 It was back in the writer's room, and there was 81 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:13.080 a big, clunky VCR, and someone had it on a 82 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:15.979 35-inch tape. It was back in the day. We had 83 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.120 this giant brick, and we fed it in, and it 84 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:20.100 was hilarious. 85 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:20.939 It was hilarious. 86 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.350 I remember you captured this... It must be out there somewhere, 87 00:04:25.389 --> 00:04:30.069 but you capture this face that Tom Cruise makes, this 88 00:04:30.110 --> 00:04:32.310 sort of joyous, cocky face. 89 00:04:32.810 --> 00:04:36.029 Yeah, his thing. His trademark. 90 00:04:36.589 --> 00:04:39.250 Especially in that movie, all those scenes where he was 91 00:04:39.290 --> 00:04:41.680 playing pool and kind of doing... I think he did 92 00:04:41.699 --> 00:04:42.879 some pool cue tricks. 93 00:04:43.019 --> 00:04:45.689 Yes, yes. I might be confusing it with cocktail. 94 00:04:45.709 --> 00:04:46.009 No, no, no. 95 00:04:46.050 --> 00:04:47.089 He's acting like, yeah. 96 00:04:47.629 --> 00:04:49.250 This was the phase of his career where he took 97 00:04:49.329 --> 00:04:52.949 mundane items and treated them like nunchucks. 98 00:04:52.970 --> 00:04:55.860 Some juggling training had come in to play there. 99 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:56.300 Yeah, exactly. 100 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:00.259 He played an obstetrician. He was throwing babies around. 101 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:00.500 Exactly. 102 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.920 So I saw that and then you came in and 103 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:07.980 one of the first things that you did, it was 104 00:05:08.019 --> 00:05:12.720 your creation, was you played the actor who played Eddie. 105 00:05:12.100 --> 00:05:15.589 Munster as a kid. And you played him. He's grown up. 106 00:05:16.189 --> 00:05:20.120 But my favorite thing is in he's... He's bitter, and 107 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:26.000 he's world-weary, grown-up star, but he still dresses as a monster. 108 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.980 That was the character. 109 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:31.379 Bitter, drunk guy with a monster outfit. 110 00:05:31.459 --> 00:05:35.829 And he's still dressed as, which is the most emasculating 111 00:05:35.910 --> 00:05:37.490 thing an adult could wear. 112 00:05:37.629 --> 00:05:39.509 I feel like that's the, you know, that's sort of 113 00:05:39.529 --> 00:05:43.189 the struggle that I think actors have, you know, where 114 00:05:43.209 --> 00:05:47.730 you're sort of trying to, disavow who you are, but 115 00:05:47.810 --> 00:05:50.259 also it is who you are too, you know? And 116 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:52.920 I think that's something that it's hard, right? Like in celebrity, 117 00:05:52.980 --> 00:05:54.670 I feel like that's a thing. So it's probably hard 118 00:05:54.689 --> 00:05:57.069 because That was part of who he was. I'm trying 119 00:05:57.110 --> 00:06:00.209 to analyze Butch Patrick here. As young as... I'm sure 120 00:06:00.250 --> 00:06:02.939 he really

appreciates that. Butch Patrick, if you're out there, 121 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:04.779 call in. That was the theory behind the character. 122 00:06:04.819 --> 00:06:06.680 Yeah, yeah. It was so. 123 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.939 And then I could just see you had really funny ideas, 124 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:15.860 but your commitment, your commitment and you were very precise 125 00:06:16.139 --> 00:06:18.189 about the things you were doing. If you were doing 126 00:06:18.230 --> 00:06:20.689 Tom Cruise, it was very well observed and very precise, 127 00:06:20.730 --> 00:06:24.389 and you're doing... You know, this grown-up Butch Patrick who's 128 00:06:24.449 --> 00:06:26.509 bitter about playing Eddie Munster, but he's dressed as Eddie Munster. 129 00:06:26.529 --> 00:06:27.329 It was very precise. 130 00:06:27.350 --> 00:06:29.810 And I remember thinking, because starting out live, it can 131 00:06:29.829 --> 00:06:31.529 be hit or miss at times. You know, it's a 132 00:06:31.550 --> 00:06:34.800 very– it's vaudeville. You know, it's vaudeville and it's live. 133 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.009 It's live, yeah. 134 00:06:36.149 --> 00:06:38.759 And I remembered when you. 135 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.120 That was the daunting thing for me was the live 136 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.019 performing aspect because I wanted to make short films. That 137 00:06:43.060 --> 00:06:43.519 was what I felt. 138 00:06:43.540 --> 00:06:45.879 You wanted control. It wasn't control. 139 00:06:45.939 --> 00:06:48.970 I just didn't feel I was as good– doing live 140 00:06:49.009 --> 00:06:51.129 performing as I was, if I could have a few 141 00:06:51.170 --> 00:06:52.860 takes and I could, you know, make, I went to 142 00:06:53.129 --> 00:06:53.629 Albert Brooks. 143 00:06:53.649 --> 00:06:54.480 It was who I wanted to be. 144 00:06:54.500 --> 00:06:54.600 Yes. 145 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:55.040 Yes. 146 00:06:55.220 --> 00:07:00.660 Albert Brooks is the, he's the white whale, you know, 147 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.800 like many people are chasing. And what was interesting to 148 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.319 me is that you, you left SNL and you do 149 00:07:08.339 --> 00:07:10.560 the Ben Stiller show. And the minute that show came out, 150 00:07:10.579 --> 00:07:15.639 I thought, yes, here you can have your laboratory where 151 00:07:15.660 --> 00:07:18.019 you can get it just the way you want. You 152 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:20.680 can make short films. You can get things exactly the 153 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:21.699 way you want them. 154 00:07:21.939 --> 00:07:24.180 Yes, and that was purely because that was the only 155 00:07:24.220 --> 00:07:26.480 way I really knew how to do it. I didn't 156 00:07:26.579 --> 00:07:30.100 think of myself as a comedic performer, really. I wanted 157 00:07:30.139 --> 00:07:30.399 to be. 158 00:07:30.459 --> 00:07:31.939 I didn't know. I was trying to figure it out, 159 00:07:32.730 --> 00:07:33.009 I think. 160 00:07:33.269

--> 00:07:35.449 It's funny because I think now people would think of 161 00:07:35.509 --> 00:07:36.850 you as a comedic performer. 162 00:07:36.889 --> 00:07:38.189 Obviously, you're branched out. 163 00:07:38.230 --> 00:07:38.490 Right. 164 00:07:40.050 --> 00:07:42.649 But I'm not like a funny guy. I've said this 165 00:07:42.689 --> 00:07:44.709 many times. I've read it back in an interview like this. 166 00:07:44.790 --> 00:07:46.529 I'm not a funny guy. I don't think I'm funny. 167 00:07:47.189 --> 00:07:50.399 And I know that sounds like, what does that mean? Obviously, 168 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:52.959 I do comedies or I've been in comedies. But I've 169 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.379 never felt like I'm a self-generating comedic entity. 170 00:07:57.699 --> 00:07:58.319 Right. 171 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:03.170 And I love comedy. Yes. 172 00:08:03.310 --> 00:08:04.870 I guess I think for a lot of people listening, 173 00:08:04.910 --> 00:08:08.850 that would be a surprise because– It's such a fine 174 00:08:08.889 --> 00:08:10.509 line between you've been so funny. 175 00:08:10.529 --> 00:08:14.329 I'm going to talk to some critics. Well, I don't know. Well, actually, 176 00:08:14.350 --> 00:08:16.089 we brought some here. Yeah, bring them on. Come on in. 177 00:08:16.089 --> 00:08:19.560 No, I mean, it's a thing that I've kind of 178 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:21.879 tried to figure out over the years because I always 179 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:24.480 love making movies and I love directing and I love 180 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.259 directing comedy, too. I love working with funny people. So 181 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.000 then actually having to be the guy who was sort 182 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.080 of like the center of it, while it was fun 183 00:08:33.299 --> 00:08:35.919 as an actor to do it, it was never really 184 00:08:35.980 --> 00:08:39.519 my focus. That wasn't my dream as a kid. Yeah, 185 00:08:39.580 --> 00:08:40.899 it wasn't your passion. 186 00:08:41.539 --> 00:08:45.379 So I remember you do the Ben Stiller show. I 187 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:46.950 go off in my direction. I work on The Simpsons. 188 00:08:46.990 --> 00:08:49.610 Then I'm doing the late night show. And you really 189 00:08:49.690 --> 00:08:53.480 early on started coming by the late night show. And 190 00:08:53.500 --> 00:08:58.179 it was fantastic because you would do these fully conceived 191 00:08:58.299 --> 00:09:01.200 bits that you would commit to. So you were known 192 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.840 and famous as Ben Stiller, but you would come on 193 00:09:03.860 --> 00:09:07.840 and fully commit to the fact that you were in 194 00:09:07.860 --> 00:09:09.179 a revival. 195 00:09:08.580 --> 00:09:12.860 Of Jesus Christ Superstar. With Janine Garofalo. With Janine Garofalo. 196 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.759 And what I loved about it was that there was 197 00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:19.269 never any winking or any, You were, no, this is 198 00:09:19.309 --> 00:09:23.450 what I'm doing now. And then you and Janine, and 199 00:09:23.490 --> 00:09:27.649 you had worked out this whole song called What's the Buzz? 200 00:09:28.110 --> 00:09:28.289 Right. 201 00:09:28.629 --> 00:09:33.789 And you're so passionate. What's the buzz? Tell me what's happening. 202 00:09:33.860 --> 00:09:35.299 Jesus Christ Superstar fans? 203 00:09:35.740 --> 00:09:39.580 I'm obsessed with that show. It's because my dream would 204 00:09:39.620 --> 00:09:42.940 be to play Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar, except I 205 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:49.100 can't sing or dance. And acting questionable. So that was 206 00:09:49.139 --> 00:09:51.620 a chance. First of all, you let us do it. Oh, yeah. 207 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.350 So here was this person who we knew who was 208 00:09:54.450 --> 00:09:57.710 basically like one of us who was hosting his own show, 209 00:09:58.009 --> 00:09:59.309 which was the amazing thing. 210 00:09:59.330 --> 00:09:59.610 Right. 211 00:10:00.059 --> 00:10:01.889 The crazy thing. It was like, oh, my God, Conan 212 00:10:01.950 --> 00:10:04.330 is doing this. He's doing it for real, and he's 213 00:10:04.350 --> 00:10:06.210 going to let us do this weird, crazy thing. 214 00:10:06.460 --> 00:10:09.980 Yeah, I remember consciously thinking, I don't know how long 215 00:10:10.019 --> 00:10:11.519 I'm going to get to do this because at the 216 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.240 time people thought this isn't going to last and they 217 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:15.019 accidentally gave. 218 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:15.799 This guy a show. 219 00:10:16.259 --> 00:10:19.399 So let's do all the things with our friends that 220 00:10:19.419 --> 00:10:21.539 we really want to do. And you kept coming back. 221 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:22.100 It was amazing. 222 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.659 I mean, it was amazing you were letting us do it. Oh, 223 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.690 I mean, it worked for me too. I just was delighted. 224 00:10:28.090 --> 00:10:31.529 You came back and you did a musical parody of Stomp, 225 00:10:32.149 --> 00:10:32.649 I remember. 226 00:10:32.669 --> 00:10:32.769 Right. 227 00:10:33.710 --> 00:10:35.950 And you did a number called, like, ouch from the 228 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:38.929 show Clunk. It was this whole. 229 00:10:39.710 --> 00:10:41.649 I haven't looked at that stuff since we did it. No, 230 00:10:41.710 --> 00:10:43.120 I haven't either. But I bet it holds up. 231 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.919 And you got members of the Blue Man Group to 232 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.419 be in the bit. Yes, that's right. And so everything 233 00:10:50.460 --> 00:10:53.919 was really technically worked out. And I just couldn't believe 234 00:10:53.980 --> 00:10:56.929 how much work went into all these things. It was 235 00:10:56.970 --> 00:11:00.980 a lot of work doing those things. I remember thinking 236 00:11:01.009 --> 00:11:04.340 it was, at that time, it was fun to do that, 237 00:11:04.379

--> 00:11:06.840 to engage and do that. And I think also probably 238 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.820 better than having to sit and talk and actually be 239 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:10.279 a person. 240 00:11:10.379 --> 00:11:12.799 Yes. You know what I mean? You could hide. Yeah, 241 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:14.850 and try to be funny in that way. 242 00:11:15.830 --> 00:11:18.429 What's interesting, though, is I remember very clearly that you 243 00:11:18.470 --> 00:11:20.669 would come and do bits, and a couple of other 244 00:11:20.710 --> 00:11:22.649 people over the years would come and do bits who 245 00:11:22.690 --> 00:11:26.049 were very good at doing it. The problem was other 246 00:11:26.110 --> 00:11:28.740 people would see that and they would show up at 247 00:11:28.779 --> 00:11:33.200 our show who weren't, it wasn't their forte. And they 248 00:11:33.220 --> 00:11:34.899 would show up and they'd go, we saw what Ben did. 249 00:11:35.539 --> 00:11:37.820 So what I want to do is I want to 250 00:11:37.860 --> 00:11:39.350 play a character named Mr. 251 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:39.980 Muffin. 252 00:11:41.250 --> 00:11:43.710 And you're there talking to Sylvester Stallone. Can you name 253 00:11:43.750 --> 00:11:44.169 the actor? 254 00:11:44.210 --> 00:11:44.470 No. 255 00:11:45.549 --> 00:11:48.210 It wasn't Stallone, was it? No, it wasn't Stallone. I mean, 256 00:11:48.889 --> 00:11:51.129 I'd have to really think about it. And it isn't 257 00:11:51.149 --> 00:11:53.129 even worth throwing certain people under the bus, but it's, 258 00:11:53.350 --> 00:11:56.820 It was people who didn't have comedy chops who would 259 00:11:56.860 --> 00:11:59.399 come by and say, I've got a thing where I'm 260 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.399 a scarecrow who's got a machine gun, and it's going 261 00:12:02.419 --> 00:12:05.419 to take 10 minutes, and then you have to be 262 00:12:05.460 --> 00:12:07.980 a Russian woman. And I'm like, oh, my God, no. 263 00:12:07.980 --> 00:12:10.639 And they'd be like, well, Ben Stiller gets to do 264 00:12:10.700 --> 00:12:12.000 this on your show. 265 00:12:12.019 --> 00:12:15.399 They were like serious actors, people who thought they could be. 266 00:12:15.500 --> 00:12:18.320 I think doing that, it's such a– I even look 267 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.779 back now thinking about that because I would never– want 268 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.269 to do that now right because it's taking such a 269 00:12:23.309 --> 00:12:26.070 chance and having to put yourself out there in a 270 00:12:26.110 --> 00:12:28.370 way that you just have to really kind of not 271 00:12:28.409 --> 00:12:30.129 even be thinking about it that much and just want 272 00:12:30.149 --> 00:12:32.789 to have fun doing it right and there are people 273 00:12:32.830 --> 00:12:34.889 who are brilliant at doing it you know people who 274 00:12:34.929 --> 00:12:37.009 are like really brilliant at doing it like andy kaufman 275 00:12:37.049 --> 00:12:39.029 and

people like that who that was what you know 276 00:12:39.049 --> 00:12:41.220 what i mean they took it to a whole other level. 277 00:12:41.370 --> 00:12:43.590 I also think, and there might get, maybe a lot 278 00:12:43.629 --> 00:12:45.590 of people that listen to this and disagree, but I 279 00:12:45.649 --> 00:12:48.100 think there's a period in your life when you're a 280 00:12:48.139 --> 00:12:51.200 certain age and you're hungry for a certain kind of thing. 281 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:51.639 For sure. 282 00:12:51.740 --> 00:12:55.360 I was reading the old Playboy interview with John Lennon 283 00:12:55.460 --> 00:12:59.340 in 1980, and it's a book, and it's this really long, 284 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:03.000 exhaustive interview. And at one point, the guy keeps asking him, well, 285 00:13:03.019 --> 00:13:05.899 do you think your work now, could you churn out 286 00:13:05.990 --> 00:13:07.250 that kind of work today in 1980? 287 00:13:07.230 --> 00:13:07.730 And he said, you know. 288 00:13:09.429 --> 00:13:11.269 I'll never be that young and hungry again. 289 00:13:11.289 --> 00:13:16.120 I feel like sketch comedy is that world. You have 290 00:13:16.139 --> 00:13:17.440 to be one like that. 291 00:13:18.190 --> 00:13:21.909 Yeah, exactly. Something about when I... You had Middleditch and 292 00:13:21.970 --> 00:13:23.429 Schwartz on? Yes, Middleditch. 293 00:13:23.450 --> 00:13:24.289 They're so funny. 294 00:13:24.389 --> 00:13:25.309 They are fantastic. 295 00:13:25.389 --> 00:13:28.350 And they have that, you know, they have that energy 296 00:13:28.389 --> 00:13:30.730 and they have that, I mean, and they're just so... 297 00:13:30.529 --> 00:13:32.289 I saw them at Carnegie Hall. Did you see the 298 00:13:32.309 --> 00:13:32.870 Carnegie Hall show? 299 00:13:32.970 --> 00:13:33.690 I did not, no. 300 00:13:33.909 --> 00:13:36.490 Actually, Lin-Manuel Miranda was there and he said that they 301 00:13:36.549 --> 00:13:39.429 literally just did a perfect three-act play. And they did. 302 00:13:39.570 --> 00:13:43.370 And yet, how do you have the energy and just the... 303 00:13:43.830 --> 00:13:45.149 the balls really to do that. 304 00:13:45.169 --> 00:13:46.330 I mean, it just go out there. 305 00:13:46.669 --> 00:13:49.019 Well, that's the thing is I, I hear about, I 306 00:13:49.379 --> 00:13:52.639 was getting tired listening to middle ditch and Schwartz talk 307 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:56.019 about how much intensity and work goes into it because 308 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.340 I was thinking, yeah, that's, I was like that. I 309 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.240 was in my, in my twenties and thirties. 310 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:04.539 I would, but you were, you had to be like that. 311 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:05.700 I mean, at SNL or. 312 00:14:05.659 --> 00:14:08.330 Yes, I was always putting myself in situations where you 313 00:14:08.370 --> 00:14:10.259 had to be like that. But even before SNL, when 314 00:14:10.299 --> 00:14:12.730 I was doing improv, um, I had the energy to 315 00:14:12.789 --> 00:14:15.750 go and do improv here in LA in like the 316 00:14:15.789 --> 00:14:19.429 basement of a Scientology center with Lisa Kudrow before either 317 00:14:19.460 --> 00:14:22.679 of us had a real gig and the energy to 318 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.720 try and push myself and I'm going to work all 319 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:28.970 day writing comedy and then I'm going to go out 320 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:30.669 at night and I'm going to I'm going to try 321 00:14:30.710 --> 00:14:33.769 and create this magical improv world. 322 00:14:34.029 --> 00:14:36.470 I'm sure we were insufferable. Right, but you took it 323 00:14:36.509 --> 00:14:37.250 kind of seriously. 324 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:38.110 Oh, yeah. 325 00:14:38.149 --> 00:14:41.389 That's the thing that is the biggest disconnect for some 326 00:14:41.450 --> 00:14:45.730 people in the world. They see people do comedy, and 327 00:14:45.950 --> 00:14:50.009 they think, oh, they must just be goofy, fun people. 328 00:14:50.029 --> 00:14:50.629 Right. 329 00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:54.299 And as we both know, if you've seen Steve Martin's 330 00:14:54.379 --> 00:14:57.679 work and then talked to Steve Martin, you know that 331 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:00.279 they're deadly serious people. And that people that take it 332 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.639 really seriously often, they're funny, but they're also very, very 333 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.480 serious about, I got to get this right. 334 00:15:06.980 --> 00:15:10.659 Yeah. And that, I mean, that's the, I think, the struggle. 335 00:15:10.820 --> 00:15:11.200 I don't know. 336 00:15:11.259 --> 00:15:13.139 That's, I've always, I'm just taking it back to me 337 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.879 to talk about myself. Oh. Because that's why we're here. 338 00:15:16.980 --> 00:15:17.240 Yeah. 339 00:15:17.259 --> 00:15:18.539 Let me see. I'm just trying to see what the 340 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.690 name of the podcast is. I don't see your name here. 341 00:15:21.750 --> 00:15:23.190 This is why I'm not holding my breath. 342 00:15:23.210 --> 00:15:25.590 This is Conan O'Brien. Okay, well, anyway. 343 00:15:25.649 --> 00:15:28.649 No, I'm just saying that I feel like I've always 344 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:30.679 felt like there's a pressure, the pressure to be funny. 345 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.220 And it's hard to, you know, that's the thing. 346 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.080 Like people, when you're making comedies as a director, too, 347 00:15:37.570 --> 00:15:40.620 it's the same thing where- People don't, like, as the movie, 348 00:15:40.779 --> 00:15:43.980 you can make this incredibly nuanced, you know, with the 349 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:47.759 production value and cinematography and all of it. And if 350 00:15:47.779 --> 00:15:50.759 it's a comedy, the bottom line is the audience wants 351 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:52.980 to laugh. And that's how they're

judging it. And they 352 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.279 shouldn't not because that's why they came to the movie. 353 00:15:55.299 --> 00:15:56.789 They want to, you know, so it's a comedy. I 354 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.389 want to laugh. And I've always found that to be 355 00:16:00.049 --> 00:16:03.779 almost tougher than anything. And it's great when it works 356 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:05.220 and you strive for it and you have to work 357 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.399 really hard for it, I think. Though there are people, 358 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:10.080 and you were talking about it with them, it just 359 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:11.870 flows and like, hey, let's have fun. Let's just go 360 00:16:11.889 --> 00:16:14.590 out there and have fun. And I love that attitude, 361 00:16:14.610 --> 00:16:16.830 but it's almost like a joke. Even at SNL, I 362 00:16:16.830 --> 00:16:18.549 hear people, like, they joke about it. They go, let's 363 00:16:18.570 --> 00:16:20.230 just go out there and have fun. You know, like 364 00:16:20.230 --> 00:16:22.149 30 seconds before you go live on the air. And 365 00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:26.149 it's like after the grueling, you know, 90-hour week or 366 00:16:26.169 --> 00:16:28.549 whatever they spent to get to that point and everybody's exhausted. 367 00:16:28.889 --> 00:16:29.090 Yes. 368 00:16:29.309 --> 00:16:30.690 And then it's like, hey, let's just go out there and, 369 00:16:30.710 --> 00:16:31.870 you know, let's just play around. 370 00:16:32.389 --> 00:16:34.350 My head writer, whenever I go out at night, he 371 00:16:34.389 --> 00:16:37.110 just says, and he does it, it's his way of saying, 372 00:16:37.470 --> 00:16:40.220 of getting on my nerves. But what he does every 373 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:41.509 night is just, as I'm about to head out, he 374 00:16:41.529 --> 00:16:42.450 goes like, Yeah, no. 375 00:16:42.649 --> 00:16:44.120 Hey, just get out there and have fun. Just go 376 00:16:44.129 --> 00:16:44.649 have some fun. 377 00:16:44.789 --> 00:16:48.639 And it's kind of his way of saying, go fuck yourself. 378 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.759 He knows it bugs me. He knows I don't like it. 379 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:52.860 But yet you do, right? You do have to have fun. 380 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:54.820 You have to. They can tell when you're not. 381 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:56.840 And that's what is amazing to me about what you 382 00:16:56.860 --> 00:16:58.860 do is you have to go out there every night, 383 00:16:59.580 --> 00:17:02.559 no matter what is happening in your life, and be 384 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.309 a certain way that has to be authentic. 385 00:17:05.420 --> 00:17:08.309 Otherwise, people aren't going to feel it. So I don't 386 00:17:08.329 --> 00:17:12.160 know how you do that. Medication helps. That's actually not 387 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:12.529 a joke. 388 00:17:14.309 --> 00:17:16.289 But this format seems to me like, I feel like 389 00:17:16.349 --> 00:17:18.329 you don't

have to worry about anything getting in your 390 00:17:18.369 --> 00:17:20.170 way of being funny, except possibly me right now. 391 00:17:20.390 --> 00:17:21.230 No, no, no. 392 00:17:21.250 --> 00:17:23.740 What I like about the format is I love talking 393 00:17:23.859 --> 00:17:27.019 to people in general, but I really like talking to 394 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.319 people I admire who do work that I admire. 395 00:17:30.740 --> 00:17:33.650 That's the concept. That's really all it is. I also 396 00:17:33.690 --> 00:17:34.589 feel like people bring. 397 00:17:35.210 --> 00:17:37.869 just listening to the podcast, that people bring different things 398 00:17:38.029 --> 00:17:40.069 out of you. You know, like you with Jeff Goldblum, 399 00:17:40.089 --> 00:17:44.089 you kind of take on this Goldblumian sort of vibe. 400 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:46.630 I do have a Zellick thing where I a little 401 00:17:46.650 --> 00:17:49.470 bit become the person I'm talking to. And when you're 402 00:17:49.490 --> 00:17:52.460 with Jeff Goldblum, it's before long you're going, mmm. 403 00:17:52.579 --> 00:17:54.420 I know, there's a lot of mmm and everything is 404 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:55.740 sexual and it's so good. 405 00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:57.359 And you know what, this is true. 406 00:17:58.380 --> 00:18:01.960 My wife's mother, who lives in Seattle, I think she 407 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:03.059 got a little rattled about it. 408 00:18:03.059 --> 00:18:07.089 She's like, well, it was... it seemed there was something sexual. 409 00:18:06.730 --> 00:18:07.670 Going on there. 410 00:18:07.690 --> 00:18:10.940 She was like, Mom, Mom, that's his joking around. I said, well, 411 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.440 I mean, that's fine, but I mean, I just hope. 412 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:15.779 It really rattled her. 413 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.140 I think there was definitely something sexual. 414 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.420 You were talking about a homosexual love affair between the 415 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:21.759 two of you. 416 00:18:21.779 --> 00:18:23.279 But I just think it would be really funny. 417 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:25.700 I think my mother-in-law was worried that I was going 418 00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:27.730 to leave her daughter for Jeff Goldblum. 419 00:18:27.809 --> 00:18:28.250 Right, right. 420 00:18:29.210 --> 00:18:31.289 Which could be, it's possible, right? Because he is alluring. 421 00:18:31.569 --> 00:18:33.730 He has an amazing closet of clothes that would fit me. 422 00:18:34.029 --> 00:18:36.170 So that would be a big plus right there. 423 00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:38.230 Well, he does. That's right. You guys are about the same. 424 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.599 We're about the same height. That's the basis for any 425 00:18:40.819 --> 00:18:43.240 strong relationship. That's why I married my wife. 426 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:44.039 That's right. 427 00:18:44.059 --> 00:18:46.759 Her clothes fit me, and I like enjoying wearing them.

428 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:52.220 You know, there's something that... There's something that you experience 429 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:53.900 that's very different from what I experience, is you grew 430 00:18:54.019 --> 00:18:55.180 up in show business. 431 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:55.960 Yes. 432 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.450 Your parents.... 433 00:18:58.230 --> 00:19:03.829 This iconic comedy team. And you grew up with that. 434 00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:07.029 And I'm wondering, how does that influence? As you're coming along, 435 00:19:07.069 --> 00:19:10.960 were you looking at what your parents were doing, Stiller Amir, 436 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.740 and saying, okay, I like this aspect of it, but 437 00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:18.960 I don't like that aspect. Or I want to be 438 00:19:18.980 --> 00:19:20.640 doing what they're doing, or I don't want to be 439 00:19:20.660 --> 00:19:22.309 doing what they're doing. I love what they do, but 440 00:19:22.329 --> 00:19:23.950 I want to go my own way. How did that 441 00:19:24.029 --> 00:19:29.769 all work out? Yes. Very nice. My dad was a microbiologist. 442 00:19:30.029 --> 00:19:33.369 My dad is a microbiologist. 443 00:19:33.390 --> 00:19:35.250 That's amazing. So different. 444 00:19:35.309 --> 00:19:35.589 Yeah. 445 00:19:35.789 --> 00:19:39.569 And there was never a second where I thought, yep, 446 00:19:39.930 --> 00:19:43.750 I'm going into the old microbiology game. I just knew 447 00:19:43.829 --> 00:19:45.809 that that wasn't going to happen. 448 00:19:45.829 --> 00:19:49.910 I never experienced that. I never had the chance to. 449 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:52.519 know what it was to not be in a show 450 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:53.299 business family. 451 00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:53.779 Right. 452 00:19:54.019 --> 00:19:56.720 Which I think is part, I have this sort of weird, 453 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:02.309 not obsession, but I really am interested in the suburbs 454 00:20:03.049 --> 00:20:06.369 and normal, quote unquote, normal life, because I'd never had 455 00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:07.509 that in my childhood. 456 00:20:07.529 --> 00:20:09.990 Because you're in New York City. Yeah. Upper West Side. 457 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:16.980 Yep. 1970s. Yeah. Parents were doing nightclubs. They were doing plays. 458 00:20:17.049 --> 00:20:19.309 They were doing variety shows. They were doing game shows. 459 00:20:19.940 --> 00:20:25.210 They were going out and playing Harrah's in Reno. It 460 00:20:25.410 --> 00:20:29.230 was a very show business life. Were you backstage when 461 00:20:29.269 --> 00:20:32.339 this was all happening? Backstage all the time. Much more 462 00:20:32.380 --> 00:20:35.299 interesting to me than my real life, than school. I 463 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:38.549 had issues at school. I didn't like being at school. 464 00:20:38.589 --> 00:20:40.849 I wanted to be out on the, you know, like going, 465 00:20:40.869 --> 00:20:42.970 like my parents were doing a series for HBO. I 466 00:20:42.970 --> 00:20:44.869 wanted to go hang out on the soundstage and watch 467 00:20:44.890 --> 00:20:47.230 them do that, which probably wasn't healthy for me as 468 00:20:47.269 --> 00:20:49.430 a kid, you know, because I wasn't interacting with kids 469 00:20:49.450 --> 00:20:49.990 my own age. 470 00:20:50.250 --> 00:20:50.450 Right. 471 00:20:50.769 --> 00:20:52.569 Or I was, but I wasn't doing it in a 472 00:20:52.589 --> 00:20:55.430 way that was, you know, I was just wanting to be, 473 00:20:55.910 --> 00:20:57.789 it just seemed more interesting to me. I mean, my 474 00:20:57.829 --> 00:21:01.299 mom would do sitcoms like Rhoda, you know, the spinoff 475 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:03.319 of the Mary Tyler Moore show. And I'd come out 476 00:21:03.339 --> 00:21:04.900 in the summer with her. She had her own show 477 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:09.160 for a season where she played a lawyer called Kate McShane. 478 00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:11.230 It was like an hour drama. And I remember being 479 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:13.750 on the Paramount back lot and just eating it up. 480 00:21:13.849 --> 00:21:15.710 Loved it. And you must have seen famous people of 481 00:21:15.750 --> 00:21:19.829 that era. Definitely. Yes. Stars of that era just seem 482 00:21:19.849 --> 00:21:21.930 so much bigger now. That's just what happens. It's an 483 00:21:21.990 --> 00:21:22.930 optical illusion. 484 00:21:23.710 --> 00:21:26.500 And also when you're that age, they're just, I mean, 485 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:28.799 and I was a Star Trek fan. And so to 486 00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:33.279 see William Shatner or- I remember meeting LeVar Burton right 487 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:36.880 after Roots had happened because she was on the $ 10, 000 488 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:36.599 pyramid with LeVar Burton. 489 00:21:36.619 --> 00:21:40.650 Oh, my God. Nipsey Russell. 490 00:21:40.750 --> 00:21:41.069 Yeah. 491 00:21:41.150 --> 00:21:45.109 I mean— Just, it was Bert Convy. I mean, there 492 00:21:45.130 --> 00:21:47.650 was all sorts of tattletales, this game show my parents did. 493 00:21:47.670 --> 00:21:50.250 It just, it was, I remember it so vividly because 494 00:21:50.269 --> 00:21:52.890 it was, the colors were so bright and the, even 495 00:21:52.910 --> 00:21:55.339 just walking on this, into this soundstage here. 496 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:55.759 Yeah, yeah. 497 00:21:56.019 --> 00:21:58.059 That it reminds me of my childhood because that was 498 00:21:58.099 --> 00:21:59.839 what it was. These were the places that they would 499 00:21:59.859 --> 00:22:02.880 come in and still has the same smell, the soundstage. 500 00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:06.079 No, we haven't cleaned this thing yet. Since Tattletail. It 501 00:22:06.099 --> 00:22:07.119 didn't sound that poetic. 502 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.099 No, no, but it's true that you, I mean, maybe 503 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:13.440 that's good in a way because you kind of fell 504 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.500 in

love with it, but it also demystified it a 505 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:17.700 little bit maybe when you were growing up. 506 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:18.420 Maybe. 507 00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:21.509 I mean, I feel like it was strange. Like when 508 00:22:21.529 --> 00:22:24.569 my parents did Tattletails, I remember getting really upset when 509 00:22:24.589 --> 00:22:27.829 they didn't win. Because they would play for the audience, 510 00:22:27.869 --> 00:22:29.829 and they would divide up the audience. They had the 511 00:22:29.869 --> 00:22:33.890 banana section and the green section and the red section. 512 00:22:34.029 --> 00:22:36.789 And if they lost, the audience didn't win money. 513 00:22:37.049 --> 00:22:40.329 And I remember literally crying, being upset, because I was 514 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:42.630 embarrassed my parents didn't win. 515 00:22:42.650 --> 00:22:45.630 I know. That's not true. 516 00:22:45.910 --> 00:22:48.890 And Patty Duke and John Astin were comforting me. 517 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:54.759 And of course, yeah, John Astin, the father on The 518 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:59.109 Addams Family, which was the show opposite the Munsters, co-starring 519 00:22:59.160 --> 00:22:59.829 Butch Patrick. 520 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:00.349 Exactly. 521 00:23:00.369 --> 00:23:02.230 It all comes around. 522 00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:04.910 And on that, we're going to take a little break. 523 00:23:04.930 --> 00:23:05.730 We'll be right back. 524 00:23:06.089 --> 00:23:08.150 Not every day you meet an Irish legend. 525 00:23:08.349 --> 00:23:09.650 I know what you mean, Coo Column. 526 00:23:09.890 --> 00:23:12.970 Leaping vast distances, holding off armies. 527 00:23:13.130 --> 00:23:15.240 Eating tons of fresh grass. 528 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:15.740 What? 529 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.940 Not you, we're cows. 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And then you sit 568 00:25:07.349 --> 00:25:09.069 down with them and you get to have this conversation. 569 00:25:09.089 --> 00:25:11.210 I'm like, I'm having the conversation with Ben Stiller that 570 00:25:11.470 --> 00:25:14.079 I've always wanted to have, but we're always so, we 571 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:14.799 pass each other. 572 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:18.160 And it's like, hey man, how you doing? Hey, good, good. Okay. Hey, 573 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:22.480 take care. Hug, you know, hug. And then SUV. Especially 574 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:25.500 when it's before a show. Before a show or after 575 00:25:25.539 --> 00:25:27.170 a show. Which is just crazy. 576 00:25:27.190 --> 00:25:29.609 You know, it's always like coming here after the show, 577 00:25:29.809 --> 00:25:32.029 after you guys have done your show, there's a weird 578 00:25:32.069 --> 00:25:33.410 kind of like post-show energy. 579 00:25:33.430 --> 00:25:35.769 You can tell something just happened. Yeah. 580 00:25:35.930 --> 00:25:38.079 And there's that thing where I think your adrenaline's up, 581 00:25:38.130 --> 00:25:39.329 especially if

you're going to have to go and do 582 00:25:39.390 --> 00:25:41.769 a talk show. But yeah, I feel that, too, because 583 00:25:41.910 --> 00:25:43.430 over the years, I feel like we've seen each other 584 00:25:43.470 --> 00:25:46.339 a lot. And we've seen each other on a plane or. 585 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:49.500 Wherever it is. I follow you around a lot, too. 586 00:25:50.029 --> 00:25:50.710 I've sensed that. 587 00:25:50.730 --> 00:25:53.819 I have sensed that. Have your people told you that? 588 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:54.039 Yeah. 589 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:59.480 You're not noticeable at all. No. You and I are 590 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.490 hanging out. I just blend right in. 591 00:26:01.730 --> 00:26:05.190 But I do think it's sometimes hard to connect, though, 592 00:26:05.210 --> 00:26:07.390 with people like that because— I always felt it was 593 00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:10.240 weird to just call someone up. And this is like 594 00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:11.680 you joke about it and joke about it in the 595 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:16.079 little intro, but to actually call you up afterwards and say, hey, 596 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:17.069 but seriously, let's hang out. 597 00:26:17.619 --> 00:26:17.880 Yeah. 598 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.019 No, but that's— It would be hard for me to 599 00:26:21.059 --> 00:26:21.460 do that. 600 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:22.140 Yeah. 601 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.829 Okay, let's talk about— are you— We don't have to talk 602 00:26:24.849 --> 00:26:27.369 about it. No, no, no. Just in general, do you 603 00:26:27.390 --> 00:26:30.049 think you're a shy person? No, I don't think I'm shy. 604 00:26:30.069 --> 00:26:33.230 I think I'm, you know, I'm insecure, I think. 605 00:26:33.529 --> 00:26:33.609 Yep. 606 00:26:33.650 --> 00:26:34.569 If I'm going to be honest. 607 00:26:34.589 --> 00:26:38.259 Just kidding, really. No, no, but I mean, that's... I am. 608 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:40.259 Lost. 609 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.579 Yeah. But I do feel like I'm not... I don't 610 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:46.319 feel like I'm not one of those people that can 611 00:26:46.339 --> 00:26:49.539 walk into a room and go, hey, just into a 612 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.059 party and feel cool going into a party. 613 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:52.660 I don't know. 614 00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:53.109 Alone. 615 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.369 I want to go into a party with somebody else. 616 00:26:55.529 --> 00:26:59.349 I think only a jerk can walk into a situation 617 00:26:59.369 --> 00:27:00.970 and be completely confident. 618 00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:02.269 Yeah. 619 00:27:02.529 --> 00:27:05.490 I think that's more common than you would think. I 620 00:27:05.549 --> 00:27:09.450 notice that if we order something on Postmates— And I 621 00:27:09.470 --> 00:27:12.710 have to go to the door and get the food 622 00:27:12.730 --> 00:27:15.369 that my wife ordered on Postmates. When I'm opening the door, 623 00:27:15.390 --> 00:27:18.430 I'm feeling a little nervous about talking to the person. 624 00:27:19.349 --> 00:27:23.230 My job is to greet people on television in front 625 00:27:23.269 --> 00:27:26.579 of a studio audience and greet them and sit them down. 626 00:27:27.019 --> 00:27:28.859 I'm a little worried about how's this going to go 627 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:30.660 with the Postmates guy. 628 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:31.680 That's a good thing, though. 629 00:27:31.819 --> 00:27:35.039 Yeah, but I think that that's... I don't know, I 630 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.839 always check myself a little before I go into a party, 631 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.740 and I'd rather be there with someone. 632 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.109 But I wouldn't say that... I do like to go 633 00:27:42.130 --> 00:27:43.769 to parties sometimes. 634 00:27:43.809 --> 00:27:47.230 I think it's exciting sometimes to meet people and to 635 00:27:47.269 --> 00:27:49.109 be in that sort of atmosphere. I think it can 636 00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:53.519 be fun, but it also never... it never usually ends 637 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:54.980 up exactly as I think it's going to. 638 00:27:55.299 --> 00:27:55.500 Right. 639 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:57.279 I usually end up, like, at a certain point where 640 00:27:57.299 --> 00:28:00.019 I'm just standing alone, wondering why no one else is 641 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:00.859 talking to me. 642 00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:05.140 So you're standing there alone. Are you holding anything? But 643 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.369 do you know that thing in a party where it's not, like, intentional? 644 00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:10.430 It's just like you've... Somebody else talked to somebody else, 645 00:28:10.490 --> 00:28:11.609 and all of a sudden you're just there, and you're 646 00:28:11.630 --> 00:28:13.630 trying to just, like, act like you belong at the party, 647 00:28:13.650 --> 00:28:15.190 and there's your drink or whatever. 648 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:16.690 Right. And then you have to. 649 00:28:16.710 --> 00:28:18.490 I mean, I think that's why the cell phone is 650 00:28:18.509 --> 00:28:23.430 the greatest invention of all time, because... You can always 651 00:28:23.470 --> 00:28:26.589 pull out your cell phone and act like you got 652 00:28:26.609 --> 00:28:30.619 a call. And sometimes I've been in an airport and 653 00:28:30.819 --> 00:28:33.140 I'm not with anybody and I'm standing alone and then 654 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:36.400 I get self-conscious that I'm standing alone. It may look 655 00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:39.029 weird to people and then I may seem a little vulnerable. 656 00:28:39.049 --> 00:28:41.150 So I take out my phone and I start talking 657 00:28:41.289 --> 00:28:43.609 until my wife comes back from the bathroom, wherever she was. 658 00:28:44.369 --> 00:28:47.069 And I have these fake calls. And I really will. 659 00:28:47.569 --> 00:28:49.809 I just wish I could press record some time on them. 660 00:28:50.269 --> 00:28:51.609

Because I'll really commit to the call. 661 00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:53.279 Who do you talk to? I just say things like, 662 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.440 what's that? No, no, no, no. Tell him that's out. 663 00:28:55.700 --> 00:28:56.160 That's out. 664 00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.859 There's no way. And then I say all this stuff 665 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.180 that's just crazy babble. And Sony, you've been around me 666 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:01.700 when I do this. 667 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:02.160 I have, yes. 668 00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:02.779 He really does that? 669 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:03.299 He does. 670 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.380 I mean, even not just on the phone, but when 671 00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:07.660 we're in an elevator, you'll. 672 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.500 Be like, yeah, and that's the time I scored the 673 00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:10.359 winning touchdown. 674 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:10.660 Beautiful. 675 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:12.900 Other people are in the elevator. Completely babbling. 676 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:15.849 But I'll be on the phone and I'll say things like, no, no, no, no, no. 677 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:17.730 We're not going to do that. Oysters is the wrong 678 00:29:17.769 --> 00:29:20.950 way to go. We're not doing oysters. I'll tell you something. 679 00:29:21.230 --> 00:29:23.029 You tell Peliman. No, tell him. 680 00:29:23.390 --> 00:29:25.970 Tell Peliman. If he wants to do it, I'll get there. 681 00:29:25.990 --> 00:29:27.809 But he better have the pneumatic with him. 682 00:29:27.910 --> 00:29:30.549 And it's all bullshit. I have a specific name. 683 00:29:30.609 --> 00:29:32.930 And if you say really specific stuff, no one would 684 00:29:32.970 --> 00:29:35.269 think you're ever making that up. And all I've ever 685 00:29:35.309 --> 00:29:37.349 wished is that I have some recording of that. 686 00:29:37.369 --> 00:29:39.609 Of you making that stuff up. It's foolishness. Have you 687 00:29:39.630 --> 00:29:43.569 done that? I don't do that. I don't go that. 688 00:29:43.990 --> 00:29:46.049 Far. I will pull out my phone. I find in 689 00:29:46.170 --> 00:29:48.970 elevators it's really tough for me. I find it very 690 00:29:49.069 --> 00:29:52.329 awkward in elevators. Just to be standing alone and then 691 00:29:52.410 --> 00:29:55.329 people come in. And, you know, even if they recognize you, 692 00:29:55.369 --> 00:29:58.609 don't recognize you, just standing in a space with people. 693 00:29:58.789 --> 00:29:59.049 Yes. 694 00:29:59.210 --> 00:30:00.470 For a certain amount of time. 695 00:30:00.970 --> 00:30:03.130 It's weird no matter who you are. And then you 696 00:30:03.289 --> 00:30:06.319 add to it people are going to know who you are. 697 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:06.519 Right. 698 00:30:06.630 --> 00:30:07.619 If they get into an elevator. 699 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:09.859 Well, that's the other factor that, yeah, then you can 700 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.279 sort of like, this kid gave me the finger today. What? 701 00:30:13.660 --> 00:30:14.619 Who gave you the finger? 702 00:30:14.859 --> 00:30:16.539 A kid gave me the finger. 703 00:30:16.779 --> 00:30:17.160 Wait, what? 704 00:30:17.259 --> 00:30:21.380 I was visiting a college with my daughter. Yeah. Yeah. 705 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:22.480 I can talk about this here. 706 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:22.880 Yeah. 707 00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:25.170 This kid, I was just, this kid just was like, 708 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:27.329 we were leaving the college. It was like, it was 709 00:30:27.349 --> 00:30:30.329 a nice visit. And this kid, he was like maybe 19, 710 00:30:30.329 --> 00:30:32.789 didn't have, like, wasn't edgy looking or anything. He just 711 00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:34.190 was like sort of like normal. He looked at me 712 00:30:34.210 --> 00:30:35.369 and he just went like this. 713 00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:36.410 He gave you the finger. Yeah. 714 00:30:36.549 --> 00:30:40.150 And I did like a double take. I was like, oh, okay. 715 00:30:40.289 --> 00:30:43.190 But there is no reason for someone to give Ben Stiller. 716 00:30:43.210 --> 00:30:46.059 I represented something. Ben Stiller represented something to him. And 717 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.779 I literally, like, I didn't know how to react because 718 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.279 I wasn't expecting it. And I sort of leaned into 719 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:51.940 it a little bit because I was walking around. 720 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:52.740 I said, hey, hi. 721 00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:56.000 Hi, like I just wanted, I guess my hackles went 722 00:30:56.059 --> 00:30:57.579 up though a little bit. I was like, I just, 723 00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:59.220 I saw it. Like I wanted him to know that 724 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.279 I wasn't okay with me. Did he give you a 725 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:02.160 bribery scam? 726 00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:03.150 Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. 727 00:31:03.250 --> 00:31:04.910 I don't know what he was thinking. 728 00:31:04.950 --> 00:31:10.309 Was he thinking, oh, Hollywood entitled actor getting their kids 729 00:31:10.329 --> 00:31:10.549 into school. 730 00:31:10.569 --> 00:31:12.630 Something like that. But he wasn't edgy. He had like 731 00:31:12.670 --> 00:31:16.319 a Lacoste shirt on. And then so I said, hi, hey, 732 00:31:16.339 --> 00:31:18.619 how you doing? And he's still holding the finger up. 733 00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:21.160 And then he's like, and I could tell he got nervous. 734 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.299 And he said, he started kind of babbling. He said, 735 00:31:23.740 --> 00:31:25.160 I just wanted to be able to say that I 736 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:29.779 did that. What? And then he said, but I also 737 00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:31.380 want you to know that I'm a really big fan 738 00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:32.490 of your work. 739 00:31:32.529 --> 00:31:32.829 Thank you. 740 00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:34.690 What? 741 00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:37.700 And I think he did

probably went back to his 742 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.660 friends and said that he gave me the finger. I 743 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:41.940 don't know if he said the second part of it. 744 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:43.720 I think he edited it. But first of all. 745 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:45.799 But it was one of those things where I couldn't 746 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:47.599 take it. It did hurt me a little bit, I 747 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.599 have to say. Of course it did. But then I 748 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.609 was also like, what do I represent to him? Maybe 749 00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:56.170 I'm like the man. Maybe I'm the guy from this 750 00:31:56.250 --> 00:31:58.289 thing or that thing or I suck. I don't know. 751 00:31:58.970 --> 00:32:01.049 But now he's going to hear this and go. 752 00:32:01.349 --> 00:32:02.150 I don't think he'll hear that. 753 00:32:02.190 --> 00:32:03.509 He might. And then he's going to go like. 754 00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:05.240 That's why I did this. Now it's legend. 755 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.579 Yeah, now more people are going to give me the finger. 756 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:10.720 If he was wearing a Lacoste shirt, eventually he will 757 00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:13.720 hear this. It will be a sponsor. It's just like, oh, 758 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.700 I want to tell people I gave Ben Stiller the finger. 759 00:32:15.869 --> 00:32:16.730 Yes. 760 00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:19.410 But they don't know that you're going to spend... If 761 00:32:19.450 --> 00:32:22.009 you hadn't had that conversation with him, I'm guessing you 762 00:32:22.029 --> 00:32:24.569 would have fought about that many times over the next 763 00:32:24.609 --> 00:32:25.089 few months. 764 00:32:25.509 --> 00:32:25.789 Yes, for sure. 765 00:32:25.809 --> 00:32:28.029 And you would have thought, are people starting to. 766 00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:31.029 Yes, right, right. Do I represent that? Am I a 767 00:32:31.109 --> 00:32:31.670 bad thing? 768 00:32:32.029 --> 00:32:36.789 We did a completely silly, harmless reference joke once on 769 00:32:36.849 --> 00:32:39.049 our show. And I'll actually use the real name because 770 00:32:39.170 --> 00:32:41.809 I love the guy, Nathan Lane. This was maybe, I 771 00:32:41.829 --> 00:32:44.430 don't know, 15 years ago or something. It was the 772 00:32:44.509 --> 00:32:47.970 old late night show. And we did some just completely silly... 773 00:32:48.940 --> 00:32:51.059 joke where we just needed the name of anybody and 774 00:32:51.099 --> 00:32:52.740 a writer just threw in nathan lane but it was 775 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.200 nothing bad about nathan lane it was nothing it was 776 00:32:55.220 --> 00:32:57.589 just we needed a name for something and someone threw 777 00:32:57.670 --> 00:33:00.069 in oh yeah nathan lane stole a tractor you know 778 00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:03.150 something that was completely random and the next thing i 779 00:33:03.210 --> 00:33:06.299 heard later on i heard

well they went to book 780 00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:09.259 nathan lane and we heard from his people that well 781 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.200 he thinks conan's mad at him and i was like 782 00:33:12.220 --> 00:33:16.779 what And what happened was someone had just seen that 783 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.240 I just mentioned Nathan Lane's name on my show and 784 00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:23.019 just thought that it was in a snide way. So 785 00:33:23.059 --> 00:33:25.500 the next thing I knew, they had told Nathan Lane that, 786 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:26.940 who's a lovely guy. 787 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:28.960 And I admire Nathan Lane. 788 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.470 So I called him up and he was like, well, 789 00:33:31.849 --> 00:33:34.650 I guess people are, you know, I heard your show 790 00:33:35.109 --> 00:33:36.069 doesn't like me anymore. 791 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:37.730 Maybe people are turning against me. 792 00:33:37.789 --> 00:33:38.150 And I was. 793 00:33:38.089 --> 00:33:41.029 Like, no, who's turning against Nathan Lane anymore? 794 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:42.920 It was just, it made me feel so bad that 795 00:33:42.940 --> 00:33:45.500 things get warped through a prism sometimes. 796 00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:47.349 In show business. I don't know. We're all insecure actors. 797 00:33:47.369 --> 00:33:48.380 We all are, yes. You know what I mean? Like, 798 00:33:48.650 --> 00:33:50.529 I don't think, you know, it has to rule your life. 799 00:33:50.549 --> 00:33:52.970 But like when it, there's, it's just, there's some part 800 00:33:52.990 --> 00:33:55.569 of you there that's going to, when that happens, you're like, what, what, really? 801 00:33:56.009 --> 00:33:57.049 You know? Exactly. 802 00:33:57.529 --> 00:33:59.069 But then like, here I am, like, you know, I'll 803 00:33:59.089 --> 00:34:01.210 do a character on SNL or, you know, do Michael 804 00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:03.460 Cohen or something like that. And I can't imagine what 805 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:04.839 that feels like. It's not, you know, it's not in 806 00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:07.059 my nature. Like I, you know, you have to be 807 00:34:07.099 --> 00:34:09.510 able to have some sort of a filter, right? to 808 00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:13.380 go like, this is just show business, and these things 809 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:14.400 fly back and forth. 810 00:34:14.739 --> 00:34:15.760 I'm not great with that at all. 811 00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:19.679 Well, if you spent a weekend with Michael Cohen and 812 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:23.809 his family, you start to go, oh, okay, oh, man. 813 00:34:23.849 --> 00:34:25.949 But I have the same issue all the time, which 814 00:34:26.170 --> 00:34:30.269 is I, for 25 years, I've been making, you make 815 00:34:30.289 --> 00:34:32.760 jokes about people, you do sketches about people, and I 816 00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:34.489 don't want to really hurt anybody's feelings. 817 00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.650 I really don't. 818 00:34:36.550 -->

00:34:38.269 I mean, there's a few people who deserve it. But 819 00:34:38.610 --> 00:34:40.130 for the most part, no, I don't want to hurt 820 00:34:40.150 --> 00:34:41.190 someone's feelings. 821 00:34:41.210 --> 00:34:43.869 And you have to make that judgment for yourself as 822 00:34:44.269 --> 00:34:47.260 you when you do your monologue or whatever it would be. 823 00:34:49.070 --> 00:34:51.570 Of what feels right for you, right for who you are. 824 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.400 Yes, and you have to make that decision, and a 825 00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:55.579 lot of times you have to make that decision very quickly. 826 00:34:55.699 --> 00:34:58.179 And that's not easy, like, to do that, what you 827 00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:59.840 have to do, because you have to really figure out, 828 00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:01.679 how do I ride that line where I'm being true 829 00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:02.659 to who I am, but I also have to be 830 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.019 topical and feel like this is a joke that works 831 00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:05.400 for me. 832 00:35:05.860 --> 00:35:09.130 I used to have, I mean, sometimes my monologue writers 833 00:35:09.190 --> 00:35:11.670 used to automatically want to make fun of any new 834 00:35:11.789 --> 00:35:15.110 boy band that was overly popular because, you know, there's 835 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:17.550 that thing where sometimes comedy writers just want to put down. 836 00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:20.880 You know, NSYNC, you know, they suck. 837 00:35:21.500 --> 00:35:25.789 And they would write these jokes about NSYNC sucking. And 838 00:35:25.829 --> 00:35:29.909 I would say, do they? I mean, first of all, 839 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:33.219 it's my generation's music. But what I don't want to 840 00:35:33.260 --> 00:35:36.599 be is I don't want to be Joey Bishop, the 841 00:35:36.619 --> 00:35:41.050 comedian in 1960s. Four, who's being like, man, these Beatles, 842 00:35:41.110 --> 00:35:42.099 get me some earmuffs. 843 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:42.400 Exactly, right. 844 00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:44.260 I don't want to hear this, right? I mean, with 845 00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:46.380 the yeah, yeah, yeahs and the long hair, give me 846 00:35:46.420 --> 00:35:50.489 a break. Because it always looks horrible. History will frown 847 00:35:50.550 --> 00:35:52.889 upon you. History will make you look like, you know, 848 00:35:52.989 --> 00:35:57.070 and it's Steve Allen going, yeah, get this Elvis guy 849 00:35:57.090 --> 00:35:58.429 with his hound dog, right? 850 00:35:58.469 --> 00:36:01.239 I mean, give me a break. Well, who are we 851 00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:01.639 talking about? 852 00:36:01.659 --> 00:36:04.239 There's that Mike Douglas interview with Martin Luther King. Have 853 00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:06.059 you ever seen that? No. Because my parents did the 854 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:07.360 Mike Douglas show a lot. 855 00:36:07.460 --> 00:36:08.119 You know that show, right? 856 00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:08.659

Yes, of course. 857 00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:11.099 And that was like in Philadelphia. You would go and 858 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.889 my parents would go down. They'd take a limousine and 859 00:36:14.190 --> 00:36:16.449 they'd co-host for the week, which would be they'd tape 860 00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:19.489 like five shows in a day, I think. And Mike 861 00:36:19.530 --> 00:36:21.710 Douglas was always like this sort of like, okay, he's 862 00:36:21.750 --> 00:36:23.349 a talk show host. He's sort of like a show 863 00:36:23.369 --> 00:36:26.829 business guy. And then through my whatever eight-year-old mind, that's 864 00:36:26.849 --> 00:36:28.610 how I saw him. But then I saw this YouTube 865 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.840 clip of him like being really tough on Martin Luther 866 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.420 King about his civil rights activism. 867 00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:34.840 Yeah. 868 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:36.820 And like whether or not he was crossing the line 869 00:36:36.860 --> 00:36:38.889 and being, I mean, it was so, it just felt 870 00:36:38.989 --> 00:36:41.489 so wrong. Yep. And, you know, it was just through 871 00:36:41.510 --> 00:36:44.849 that filter of that time, you know, people, I'm sure 872 00:36:44.869 --> 00:36:46.309 at the time, he was just sort of like trying 873 00:36:46.329 --> 00:36:48.750 to be, have a little substance or, you know, be 874 00:36:49.409 --> 00:36:51.699 more than just, you know, sort of the, you know, 875 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:52.780 Mike Douglas that everybody knew. 876 00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:54.500 He's going to do a tough interview. Right. But if 877 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.039 you look back at it, it's like, oh my God, 878 00:36:56.539 --> 00:36:58.539 you were so wrong. Yeah, and it might have just been. 879 00:37:00.389 --> 00:37:01.940 Bad timing. He might have said, you know what? 880 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.179 Someone maybe told him, you got to start getting a 881 00:37:04.179 --> 00:37:05.739 little tough with people to show that you've got, and 882 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.400 he's like, all right, I'm going to start today. 883 00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:07.940 Who's on? 884 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:11.960 This guy, the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King. All right, 885 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.630 bring him in here. So, doctor, eh? 886 00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:16.150 He's really stirring things up. 887 00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:18.190 What are my symptoms? Well, I'm not that kind of doctor. Oh, 888 00:37:18.269 --> 00:37:19.090 a phony, are you? 889 00:37:19.110 --> 00:37:19.179 Wow. 890 00:37:21.269 --> 00:37:24.190 Martin Luther King which name is it what are you 891 00:37:24.230 --> 00:37:28.090 talking about I'm done with you that score one for 892 00:37:28.139 --> 00:37:30.300 Mike Douglas and zero for Dr. 893 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:32.699 Martin Luther King yeah but that's the. 894 00:37:32.619 --> 00:37:34.139 Thing that was always in the back of my head 895 00:37:34.179 --> 00:37:36.599 is I never wanted there to be footage around later 896 00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:42.119 on of me saying his name's Barack Obama good luck 897 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.000 with that yeah. 898 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.550 But how can you know though right. 899 00:37:47.429 --> 00:37:51.030 It's all I actually know okay I have that ability 900 00:37:51.070 --> 00:37:51.570 to just know. 901 00:37:52.429 --> 00:37:54.449 That's how you navigated the career that you have. 902 00:37:54.510 --> 00:37:55.130 Yes, I have. 903 00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:58.699 That's why I'm here doing a podcast at the age 904 00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:07.039 of 78. And interviewing me. Thank you. A lot of work. 905 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.579 Going back to SNL now is such a different experience 906 00:38:10.659 --> 00:38:13.610 than when you and I are there. And we're around 907 00:38:13.630 --> 00:38:18.960 the conference table in the late 80s, and we're feral dogs, like, 908 00:38:19.900 --> 00:38:21.059 I want to make it, I want to make it. 909 00:38:21.099 --> 00:38:22.159 How are we going to make it? Are we going 910 00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:25.630 to make it? Now you're going back in this very 911 00:38:25.710 --> 00:38:27.550 different situation, but it's the same building. 912 00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:31.510 What's that like? It's crazy, because it hasn't changed in, what, 913 00:38:31.510 --> 00:38:32.570 44 years, 45 years? 914 00:38:32.590 --> 00:38:37.530 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a totally different attitude towards it because, yeah, 915 00:38:37.550 --> 00:38:40.269 at that time, yeah, it was like, am I going 916 00:38:40.289 --> 00:38:41.550 to get my bit on the air? Am I going 917 00:38:41.570 --> 00:38:42.769 to get my sketch on? Am I going to get 918 00:38:42.809 --> 00:38:45.769 my little short on? And it's your whole career, you know, 919 00:38:45.849 --> 00:38:49.210 and you're struggling with it the whole week. This is 920 00:38:49.309 --> 00:38:51.949 now going back in. I've had such a sort of 921 00:38:52.010 --> 00:38:54.670 a crazy history with the show in terms of just 922 00:38:54.710 --> 00:38:58.469 my interactions with it because I left the show. And then, 923 00:38:58.789 --> 00:39:00.630 you know, because I had a chance to do, after 924 00:39:00.650 --> 00:39:04.300 I did that short, the Tom Cruise thing, I came 925 00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:07.079 on as an apprentice writer and a featured player, but 926 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.320 I only was there for six weeks. 927 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:10.469 That's right. It was very short. 928 00:39:10.530 --> 00:39:14.050 Yeah. And I had an opportunity to do the short films, 929 00:39:14.210 --> 00:39:18.289 and so I left. And that really forever just made 930 00:39:18.309 --> 00:39:22.710 it a strange relationship that Lorne and I have navigated 931 00:39:22.829 --> 00:39:25.610 over the years and finally came back and hosted in 1998. 932 00:39:25.590 --> 00:39:30.059 But then in 2001, when

Zoolander came out, I was 933 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.429 supposed to host and it was right after 9-11 and 934 00:39:32.469 --> 00:39:36.730 I decided not to host and that created a little 935 00:39:36.750 --> 00:39:40.920 bit of tension there too because you know Lauren felt 936 00:39:40.940 --> 00:39:43.340 like he wanted me to host. In retrospect, I wish 937 00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:45.219 I did host, but at the time, I just felt 938 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:46.590 like I couldn't figure out how to do it. 939 00:39:46.820 --> 00:39:50.199 Yeah. I could see that would be— you were in a 940 00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:53.239 bad position, to be honest. To be fair, you were 941 00:39:53.260 --> 00:39:57.000 in a bad position to— no one who absolutely had 942 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.079 to be on TV then, especially doing comedy, uh, would 943 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.460 want to be in that situation. 944 00:40:01.820 --> 00:40:04.190 I wish I had done it, but in, but I didn't. 945 00:40:04.429 --> 00:40:07.639 And then anyway, so it was, it's been, uh, um, uh, 946 00:40:08.170 --> 00:40:10.369 an interesting road with Lauren and I, and now, you know, 947 00:40:10.449 --> 00:40:14.269 coming back and over the last few years, we've, uh, 948 00:40:14.289 --> 00:40:15.230 had a great relationship. 949 00:40:15.570 --> 00:40:15.909 Yeah. 950 00:40:16.010 --> 00:40:18.730 I really, and you know, he's such a icon of 951 00:40:18.769 --> 00:40:22.159 show business. Um, you know, it's, uh, And really, that 952 00:40:22.219 --> 00:40:24.969 was my first opportunity. So I'm happy now to come back, 953 00:40:25.030 --> 00:40:27.400 and it's kind of fun, but it's also still incredibly 954 00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:29.119 frightening to me to do live performing. 955 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.699 Like that so when they're counting it down and you know. 956 00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:33.519 Oh my god and also because they're rewriting all the 957 00:40:33.579 --> 00:40:35.840 time as you know on the show like literally the 958 00:40:36.070 --> 00:40:38.750 rewriting like the second one we did I think they 959 00:40:38.769 --> 00:40:40.690 were rewriting 30 seconds before we went on the air 960 00:40:41.170 --> 00:40:42.730 I mean it was insane. 961 00:40:42.269 --> 00:40:45.409 And then you're hoping I remember back in the day 962 00:40:45.429 --> 00:40:47.650 at SNL a script would change at the last second 963 00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:49.440 you have to go and check the cards and sometimes 964 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.099 being underneath the bleachers checking the cards as they were 965 00:40:53.139 --> 00:40:56.059 coming back from commercial and they're taking the cards away 966 00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:57.980 from you and you're kind of walking with the cue 967 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.309 card guy to try and Make sure that two or 968 00:41:00.369 --> 00:41:02.210 three other lines get changed on the cards. 969 00:41:02.329 --> 00:41:05.320 And people have no idea. They

have no idea. How 970 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.519 random and by the seat of the pants it is. 971 00:41:07.539 --> 00:41:07.719 Yeah. 972 00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:09.840 And how much rewriting is going on. And you kind 973 00:41:09.860 --> 00:41:10.769 of just have to go with it. 974 00:41:11.059 --> 00:41:13.360 And there's nothing like the experience of doing it, which 975 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.219 is the fun part of it. It's just like, oh, 976 00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:17.639 you're doing Saturday Night Live and. You know, to be 977 00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.199 able to say live from New York at Saturday night, 978 00:41:19.219 --> 00:41:22.900 it's like, you know, that's like every kid's dream. It's comedy. 979 00:41:23.739 --> 00:41:26.019 Because you mentioned the miniseries Escape at Dannemora. 980 00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:29.039 That has got to be sort of a perfect gig 981 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.320 for you in a way because it's as close as 982 00:41:31.340 --> 00:41:33.579 you can come to being sort of a complete master 983 00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:34.519 of your universe, right? 984 00:41:34.539 --> 00:41:34.639 Right. 985 00:41:35.190 --> 00:41:37.030 In terms of creating this thing? 986 00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:37.690 Oh, yeah. 987 00:41:37.869 --> 00:41:38.590 Telling this story? 988 00:41:38.630 --> 00:41:41.300 It's like a, you can just go into, it's like a, 989 00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:42.929 you know, I knew it was going to be like, okay, 990 00:41:42.949 --> 00:41:44.550 this is going to be like a year and a half, 991 00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:48.219 you know, just to like escape into this world. And 992 00:41:48.260 --> 00:41:50.860 I think, you know, when you're creating something, you're trying 993 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.780 to both escape into it, but you're also trying to 994 00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:56.300 put yourself into it too, you know? 995 00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:00.960 Did you know when this story broke about these prisoners escaping? 996 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.440 Did you know, okay, this is a story I want 997 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:05.860 to tell? 998 00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:07.500 I didn't. I didn't even know. 999 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.239 I was actually shooting Zoolander 2 in Italy when it happened, 1000 00:42:11.969 --> 00:42:13.630 and I didn't even know about it. 1001 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:15.030 I mean, it was in the news a little bit. 1002 00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:17.949 And then the writers came to me with the idea, 1003 00:42:17.969 --> 00:42:21.429 the guys, Brett Johnson and Michael Tolkien, and they had 1004 00:42:21.449 --> 00:42:24.670 this idea to do it. And I learned about the story, 1005 00:42:24.690 --> 00:42:26.750 and I thought, oh, my God, this is amazing. And 1006 00:42:26.789 --> 00:42:28.909 how did this happen? How did these guys actually do 1007 00:42:28.949 --> 00:42:33.239 this old-school breakout in– 2015, where they sawed their way 1008 00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:35.170 through the back of

their cells. How does that happen? 1009 00:42:35.730 --> 00:42:38.510 And then learning about Tilly, the woman that they seduced. 1010 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.570 that this was all going on. And then I, you know, 1011 00:42:41.590 --> 00:42:42.989 so the more that I learned about it, the more 1012 00:42:43.010 --> 00:42:44.929 I got into it. And then just, you know, yeah, 1013 00:42:44.949 --> 00:42:46.849 being able to dive into it and then just go, okay, 1014 00:42:46.869 --> 00:42:49.190 let's find out as much as we can and find 1015 00:42:49.230 --> 00:42:51.130 out the reality and go to the real place. And, 1016 00:42:51.309 --> 00:42:55.400 you know, it was, and not be in it as 1017 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:55.900 an actor. 1018 00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.039 It's awesome to see someone get to a point where 1019 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.289 I can't conceive of something different you wouldn't be allowed 1020 00:43:02.309 --> 00:43:03.920 to do at this point if you wanted to do it. 1021 00:43:04.230 --> 00:43:07.489 I was surprised actually doing this, having this experience of 1022 00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:09.889 working on this thing, because I feel like, uh, I 1023 00:43:09.929 --> 00:43:12.909 thought maybe because I hadn't done a drama that people 1024 00:43:12.969 --> 00:43:18.260 might be a little more like resistant to it, you know? Um, yeah, 1025 00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:20.099 but that's, but I feel like people just want to 1026 00:43:20.139 --> 00:43:21.860 see something if it, if it works for them, you know, 1027 00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.320 they don't, they're not judging there. I'm thinking who directed something, 1028 00:43:24.340 --> 00:43:25.619 you know what I mean? Like most people don't even 1029 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.929 know that there's a director that They know the word director. 1030 00:43:30.409 --> 00:43:33.090 That's a movie director. They make the thing. But I 1031 00:43:33.110 --> 00:43:34.829 don't think people are thinking about that when they watch something. 1032 00:43:34.929 --> 00:43:36.530 That's why you always need to have a cameo in 1033 00:43:36.570 --> 00:43:41.639 anything you do. And in your cameo, unlike Hitchcock, you 1034 00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:44.079 have to walk into frame, look right at the camera, 1035 00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:45.900 and a slight nod, and then walk off. 1036 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:48.280 That's your way to say yeah. I should have done 1037 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:49.380 that on this one. 1038 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.039 Ben Stiller presents Escape. 1039 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:55.659 They're tunneling out and just your head leans in the frame. 1040 00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:57.239 Keep going. Keep going. 1041 00:43:58.179 --> 00:44:02.289 I hope you're enjoying. Yeah, it's me. Back to directing. 1042 00:44:03.969 --> 00:44:07.610 This critic loved it. I've had one problem during the 1043 00:44:07.690 --> 00:44:08.590 tunneling scene. 1044 00:44:09.670 --> 00:44:11.889 I'd almost

forgotten Ben Stiller was directing this. 1045 00:44:11.929 --> 00:44:12.289 Yeah. 1046 00:44:12.530 --> 00:44:15.369 When you look at yourself in a funny scene from 1047 00:44:15.409 --> 00:44:19.420 a movie, can't can you make yourself laugh? Like, can you, 1048 00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:22.889 I'm thinking of specific, in Zoolander, when you're with your friends, 1049 00:44:23.449 --> 00:44:25.429 it's one of my favorite things in a movie, and 1050 00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:28.550 you're at the gas station, and you're such idiots, and 1051 00:44:28.590 --> 00:44:32.670 you start throwing gasoline on each other for fun. It 1052 00:44:32.730 --> 00:44:35.300 is one of the funniest things I've seen in a movie. 1053 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.579 If you see that, if I was watching that with you, 1054 00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:41.840 would you chuckle at that, or would you just be 1055 00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:44.360 sort of staring? And I don't, I honestly don't know 1056 00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:44.760 the answer. 1057 00:44:45.619 --> 00:44:45.699 Um. 1058 00:44:47.260 --> 00:44:51.480 Not really. I chuckle at the fact that we did that. 1059 00:44:52.300 --> 00:44:53.179 Do you know what I mean? 1060 00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:54.059 Laughing to sleep. 1061 00:44:54.099 --> 00:44:55.150 No, like the same way. 1062 00:44:55.070 --> 00:44:57.809 I chuckle that we- Who throws gasoline at me? 1063 00:44:58.110 --> 00:44:59.969 It's not something you should do. 1064 00:44:59.989 --> 00:45:00.630 It's the greatest. 1065 00:45:00.929 --> 00:45:01.650 Yeah. Yeah. 1066 00:45:03.449 --> 00:45:04.710 But I also chuckle, the same way. 1067 00:45:04.670 --> 00:45:06.260 I laugh at the fact that we did Jesus Christ 1068 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.300 Superstar on your show, like the fact that we actually 1069 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:08.820 did that. 1070 00:45:08.980 --> 00:45:09.460 Yeah. 1071 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.280 I did stumble onto, there's something about Mary the other- 1072 00:45:12.789 --> 00:45:14.469 day and I hadn't seen it like in a long, 1073 00:45:14.489 --> 00:45:16.030 long time. And I watch and I ended up watching 1074 00:45:16.050 --> 00:45:18.010 for like 15 minutes and I, and I, and I 1075 00:45:18.050 --> 00:45:21.030 was laughing at scenes, not like me being funny, but 1076 00:45:21.070 --> 00:45:22.989 just like this, like, like Matt Dillon is so funny. 1077 00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:23.070 Yes. 1078 00:45:23.110 --> 00:45:23.489 Yeah. 1079 00:45:23.550 --> 00:45:23.800 Yeah. 1080 00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:24.579 So funny. 1081 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:24.960 Yeah. 1082 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.239 Um, or like there's, you know, just a scenes that 1083 00:45:27.260 --> 00:45:29.019 I'm in where I go, okay, yeah, that, that, that 1084 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.039 felt like it was working. I'm not like there while 1085 00:45:31.059 --> 00:45:33.280 I go, Oh my God. You know, it would be bad. 1086 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:35.559 I still like, I'm not screwing

it up. Like, you know, 1087 00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:38.260 I watch and go, well, that worked, you know, that worked. Well, 1088 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:39.179 I was going to say it would be bad if 1089 00:45:39.219 --> 00:45:42.800 you were saying, oh, my God, I'm so funny in this. 1090 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:44.909 Get in here, everybody. Look at me. 1091 00:45:45.469 --> 00:45:49.469 Well, I do that with my kids. And they love it. 1092 00:45:49.469 --> 00:45:51.349 I hate to throw them under the bus, but John Lovitz, oh, 1093 00:45:51.489 --> 00:45:53.090 he's just someone who's like, look at this. 1094 00:45:53.610 --> 00:45:56.650 Look what I did. You're like, yeah, you're really funny, John. 1095 00:45:56.789 --> 00:45:59.090 That's who John is. You know, yeah, he is that guy. 1096 00:45:59.130 --> 00:46:00.610 And I'll say that to his face, but he was 1097 00:46:00.630 --> 00:46:02.929 the kind of person who he'd come in and see 1098 00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:05.840 himself– In a classic SNL sketch and be like. 1099 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:07.739 Look at that. It doesn't get better than that. 1100 00:46:07.780 --> 00:46:08.980 That's right. 1101 00:46:09.099 --> 00:46:11.760 By the way, John Lovitz is the person who brought 1102 00:46:11.929 --> 00:46:15.389 the videocassette of The Hustler of Money up to Lorne. 1103 00:46:15.429 --> 00:46:15.969 Oh, you're kidding. 1104 00:46:16.030 --> 00:46:18.170 And Jim Downey to look at. when I was trying 1105 00:46:18.190 --> 00:46:19.489 to get it on the show. Good for him. 1106 00:46:19.510 --> 00:46:19.909 Good for him. 1107 00:46:19.949 --> 00:46:21.650 So I'm thankful to him for doing that. 1108 00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:25.110 Yeah, he's a very sweet guy, and certainly not ashamed 1109 00:46:25.170 --> 00:46:27.900 of any of his best work, which he shouldn't be. 1110 00:46:27.889 --> 00:46:28.199 That's not me. 1111 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.699 But no, I think of you, there's so many scenes 1112 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:34.980 throughout your career where you've really made me laugh. The 1113 00:46:35.019 --> 00:46:38.500 scene in Meet the Parents where, I mean, my wife 1114 00:46:38.539 --> 00:46:40.340 and I have watched the scene, there's so much in 1115 00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:42.920 that movie that we love, but when you're finally just 1116 00:46:42.980 --> 00:46:46.489 going home on your own and you're being asked... by 1117 00:46:46.550 --> 00:46:50.840 that flight attendant to wait at the gate. And you're 1118 00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.139 so great in that scene. And I was thinking, I 1119 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.840 hope Ben is able to Look at himself sometimes because 1120 00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.460 you've given me a lot of joy. You've given a 1121 00:46:59.500 --> 00:47:00.420 lot of people a lot of joy. I hope you're 1122 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.280 able to like look at, watch yourself and chuckle sometimes. 1123 00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:04.619 That would be a shame if you couldn't. 1124

00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:05.820 No, I can sometimes. 1125 00:47:05.860 --> 00:47:07.800 I mean, like in that movie, if it's a scene 1126 00:47:07.820 --> 00:47:10.340 with De Niro, because I just, you know, it's Robert 1127 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:10.800 De Niro. 1128 00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:13.360 Yeah. So when I see that, like I'm in a 1129 00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.199 movie with Robert De Niro, I still. Yes. You still 1130 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:18.050 like that? You still think, wow. For sure. 1131 00:47:18.329 --> 00:47:18.590 Yeah. 1132 00:47:18.750 --> 00:47:20.610 The fact that like I'll occasionally get an email from 1133 00:47:20.650 --> 00:47:22.409 Robert De Niro is very exciting to me. 1134 00:47:24.170 --> 00:47:25.550 Of course. 1135 00:47:25.630 --> 00:47:26.869 So to be in a scene like that with him 1136 00:47:26.909 --> 00:47:29.760 and see him, and the dynamic is funny to me. 1137 00:47:30.139 --> 00:47:31.519 Like I said, if I see a scene where I go, 1138 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.340 I didn't screw that up or the timing was good 1139 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.119 or something like that, I can appreciate it. But I'm 1140 00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:38.929 not going to dwell on it, too, because then you 1141 00:47:38.949 --> 00:47:41.409 dwell on it too much. Then you're like, wow, that 1142 00:47:41.429 --> 00:47:41.969 was 20 years ago. 1143 00:47:45.059 --> 00:47:46.460 What have you done since, Diller? 1144 00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:51.019 Fascinating. Yeah. See, that's so funny. You've done a lot. 1145 00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:52.780 I know, but you know what I mean. But you 1146 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:56.099 know what's crazy is that that is the, if there 1147 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.929 is a common thread in this show, it's finding out 1148 00:47:59.989 --> 00:48:04.389 how many people I really admire who've had an incredible 1149 00:48:04.409 --> 00:48:09.150 amount of success are worried, not dwelling on it, and 1150 00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:13.650 a little anxious and insecure about it all. And that 1151 00:48:13.730 --> 00:48:16.210 is the thing that binds a lot of people together 1152 00:48:16.630 --> 00:48:17.289 in this business. 1153 00:48:17.429 --> 00:48:19.269 Yeah, I think it's a human thing. I think it's 1154 00:48:19.289 --> 00:48:19.769 really human. 1155 00:48:19.869 --> 00:48:23.030 And it also does push you forward to, it's the 1156 00:48:23.090 --> 00:48:25.809 balance of it. Because if it overtakes you, then that's 1157 00:48:25.869 --> 00:48:28.239 not healthy and not good. But if it pushes you 1158 00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:31.400 forward to go, okay, what am I, because I'm most 1159 00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:34.659 happy when I'm doing something creative, when I'm in process. 1160 00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:38.199 Because conversely, I'd say usually the favorite thing that I 1161 00:48:38.219 --> 00:48:40.940 worked on is something that I just finished working on. Right. 1162 00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:44.480 So it's like that thing where you just go, okay, 1163 00:48:44.539 --> 00:48:46.179 I want to figure out what's the next thing that's 1164 00:48:46.219 --> 00:48:51.090 going to feel creatively challenging and stimulating or exciting. 1165 00:48:51.110 --> 00:48:56.909 That sentence didn't end well. And then I heard, I 1166 00:48:56.929 --> 00:48:58.050 don't know if you can hear that, but you can 1167 00:48:58.090 --> 00:48:59.019 hear you kind of swallow. 1168 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.039 Did you hear my swallow? Did everyone hear the swallow? 1169 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.760 Make sure we, make sure we hear that swallow again. 1170 00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:10.260 Cause that really swallowed desperation. Uh, this was great. 1171 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.769 And it's crazy to me that after all these years, 1172 00:49:12.829 --> 00:49:14.489 the way we can sit down finally and really have 1173 00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:15.130 a conversation. 1174 00:49:15.139 --> 00:49:15.440 I know. 1175 00:49:15.460 --> 00:49:17.219 I really, I really. When there's a bunch of. I 1176 00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:22.110 like it. Podcast microphones around. So let's go out for real. Okay. 1177 00:49:22.190 --> 00:49:23.730 And I'm going to need to record that too. 1178 00:49:23.750 --> 00:49:24.590 Okay. 1179 00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:26.650 Because you understand. This is a. 1180 00:49:26.659 --> 00:49:30.659 Financial windfall for me. There's hundreds of dollars in this. 1181 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.599 I want to just hear you do your fake phone calls. 1182 00:49:34.340 --> 00:49:35.280 Hello, Mulroney? 1183 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:35.860 No. 1184 00:49:36.500 --> 00:49:40.869 Tell him the cinnamon's out. And he knows it too. 1185 00:49:41.050 --> 00:49:42.570 It's always leaning into it. 1186 00:49:42.590 --> 00:49:43.050 No, no, no. 1187 00:49:43.070 --> 00:49:44.489 He's tried it before and he'll try it again. 1188 00:49:44.510 --> 00:49:44.590 Nope. 1189 00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:49.230 Tell him the turban didn't work either. It's all Woolridge, 1190 00:49:49.250 --> 00:49:51.429 if you ask me. And then people will just- Something 1191 00:49:51.449 --> 00:49:55.340 like pneumatic drills. There's some sort of engineering theme happening 1192 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:56.679 in your brain. Yeah, there's always drills. 1193 00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:57.480 There's always, yeah. 1194 00:49:57.579 --> 00:50:01.719 There's always, and me insisting, whenever I'm with Sona and 1195 00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:03.639 there are other people around, if Sona and I are 1196 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:06.599 in an elevator, it's me. They get on the elevator 1197 00:50:06.619 --> 00:50:09.119 and I'm like- Just find the file. We need the file. 1198 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:11.900 And if they can't find it, see if Hennessy knows 1199 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:15.489 where it is. And there's no files. But I'm obsessed 1200 00:50:15.510 --> 00:50:16.750 with a filing system. 1201 00:50:16.809 --> 00:50:22.550 That's

like the plot to every Mission Impossible movie. Find 1202 00:50:22.570 --> 00:50:26.769 the file. And also, I wanted to mention that you're 1203 00:50:26.809 --> 00:50:28.510 more than his assistant, though, right? 1204 00:50:28.530 --> 00:50:31.110 Well, you're like a sidekick. What am I, your friend? 1205 00:50:31.210 --> 00:50:32.670 Well, I feel like you're a sidekick now. 1206 00:50:32.730 --> 00:50:34.679 Oh, she is. And you deserve to be paid as such. Oh, 1207 00:50:34.690 --> 00:50:36.769 thank you, Ben. When you guys were talking about payment 1208 00:50:36.789 --> 00:50:39.469 in the other... What are you doing? Sona's getting a little, 1209 00:50:40.219 --> 00:50:42.409 some financial help. Okay, okay. She's got some scratch on 1210 00:50:42.429 --> 00:50:42.820 the side. 1211 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:43.119 Sure. 1212 00:50:43.219 --> 00:50:45.340 It's not just like the cute kind of folksy, hey, 1213 00:50:45.380 --> 00:50:47.219 this is my assistant who comes on the podcast. 1214 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.059 Like, you're actually working. I am, but I am also 1215 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.500 doing his schedule. I am his assistant. She is my assistant. 1216 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.420 And that works out okay. Does it work out okay? 1217 00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:56.719 Yeah. 1218 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:57.280 No. 1219 00:50:58.179 --> 00:51:00.940 No. Because I have a new assistant and I'm wondering 1220 00:51:00.980 --> 00:51:02.440 if I should start a podcast with her. 1221 00:51:02.539 --> 00:51:02.760 Yeah. 1222 00:51:03.219 --> 00:51:04.059 Maybe. 1223 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:08.099 Yeah, it is funny because this is, An incredibly honest 1224 00:51:08.139 --> 00:51:09.340 relationship I've had with Sona. 1225 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.130 We've been together nine years. Yeah, ten. 1226 00:51:12.230 --> 00:51:15.289 That's a long time for an assistant. Yeah, and she's 1227 00:51:15.329 --> 00:51:17.849 not going anywhere. We've tried to move her along. Yeah, 1228 00:51:17.929 --> 00:51:24.099 I've tried to leave. Just kidding. No, I'm kidding. And 1229 00:51:24.139 --> 00:51:26.360 wherever I go, people want to know where Sona is. 1230 00:51:26.420 --> 00:51:27.260 Oh, that's nice. 1231 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:27.579 Yeah. 1232 00:51:27.619 --> 00:51:30.449 That's very nice. Yeah, but yeah. I mean, on this podcast, 1233 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:32.570 I'm pretty sidekick-y. Wherever I go, yeah. No, but I 1234 00:51:32.570 --> 00:51:34.809 think it's good. It works really well, the whole energy. 1235 00:51:34.989 --> 00:51:38.190 Thank you. Yeah. And then Matt Gourley over here is always, 1236 00:51:38.230 --> 00:51:38.829 you know, just. 1237 00:51:38.909 --> 00:51:39.610 Oh, here we go. 1238 00:51:39.750 --> 00:51:41.289 Well, no, you know, he's a little bit of a, 1239 00:51:42.190 --> 00:51:43.989 you know, got a hipster vibe going on. 1240 00:51:44.030 --> 00:51:44.269 Oh, my God. 1241 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:46.539 It's just because. 1242 00:51:46.420 --> 00:51:47.570 I have a beard. It's the beard. 1243 00:51:47.889 --> 00:51:50.409 And I don't even normally have a beard. And he 1244 00:51:50.449 --> 00:51:53.449 also is always bringing in a craft brew. You had 1245 00:51:53.469 --> 00:51:55.190 a beard stage for a while. I did have a 1246 00:51:55.210 --> 00:51:55.630 beard stage. 1247 00:51:55.670 --> 00:51:56.230 And look at the. 1248 00:51:56.190 --> 00:51:57.960 Skinny tie and tight jacket here. 1249 00:51:58.900 --> 00:52:00.539 Can I just get a witness briefly? 1250 00:52:00.659 --> 00:52:02.760 Thank you very much. And I was in The Pretenders 1251 00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:10.969 in 1979. Yeah, this is a delight. This was really nice. 1252 00:52:11.010 --> 00:52:11.849 This was really fun. 1253 00:52:11.869 --> 00:52:12.590 And you know what? 1254 00:52:12.949 --> 00:52:15.769 When I heard that you were listening to the podcast 1255 00:52:15.809 --> 00:52:17.389 and enjoying it, I was thrilled. 1256 00:52:17.590 --> 00:52:19.809 I have to say there are a lot of podcasts now. 1257 00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:22.860 Like, there are a lot. And I've gotten into a couple, 1258 00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:25.760 but I don't– it's the same thing like with television shows. 1259 00:52:26.019 --> 00:52:28.860 I don't have that much bandwidth to really stick with things. 1260 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.760 It's not like intentional. I just find myself dropping off. 1261 00:52:32.099 --> 00:52:35.579 But this one, literally, you laugh out loud. 1262 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:36.079 Oh, that's nice. 1263 00:52:36.099 --> 00:52:36.599 I laugh out loud. 1264 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.579 And there aren't that many that you laugh out loud 1265 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.039 like that. 1266 00:52:40.300 --> 00:52:42.500 Thank you. We're going to use that in our advertisement. 1267 00:52:43.659 --> 00:52:45.139 You could check with my people. 1268 00:52:47.300 --> 00:52:48.159 Oh, I see how it is. 1269 00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.219 Possibly. Oh, okay. Or we could just use it, and 1270 00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:53.619 then maybe your people wouldn't know. 1271 00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:55.550 When you record our dinner, we can talk about it. 1272 00:52:58.860 --> 00:53:00.920 Not every day you meet an Irish legend. 1273 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:02.420 I know what you mean, Coo Collum. 1274 00:53:02.659 --> 00:53:05.739 Leaping vast distances, holding off armies. 1275 00:53:05.900 --> 00:53:08.000 Eating tons of fresh grass. 1276 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:08.440 What? 1277 00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:11.679 Not you, we're cows. That's one of the reasons Irish 1278 00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:15.400 milk is so good. It's famous all over the world. 1279 00:53:15.659 --> 00:53:17.880 Legend. Did you hear about the Murphys down the road? 1280 00:53:17.900 --> 00:53:18.019 I did. 1281 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:19.909 And with the Walshes too, of all people. I heard 1282 00:53:19.929 --> 00:53:21.329 the Flins were at it as

well. 1283 00:53:21.349 --> 00:53:21.409 No. 1284 00:53:21.409 --> 00:53:22.030 Switchers. 1285 00:53:22.070 --> 00:53:22.590 The lot of them. 1286 00:53:22.690 --> 00:53:23.130 You know. 1287 00:53:39.170 --> 00:53:40.730 It might not be a bad idea. 1288 00:53:41.150 --> 00:53:41.449 Really? 1289 00:53:41.469 --> 00:53:44.230 I heard they all got a brilliant deal and saved 1290 00:53:44.309 --> 00:53:48.469 hundreds of euros switching their energy with Switcher.ie. Happy days. 1291 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:50.119 Maybe we should join them. 1292 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.820 See if you can save on your energy at Switcher.ie. 1293 00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:55.599 Switch. 1294 00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:56.539 Save. 1295 00:53:57.019 --> 00:53:57.780 Happy days. 1296 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:02.320 Every day you make around 35,000 choices. What to wear? 1297 00:54:02.610 --> 00:54:06.239 Toaster cereal? One more episode or time for bed? The 1298 00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:08.619 last thing you need is to stress over your car insurance. 1299 00:54:08.969 --> 00:54:11.730 That's where Corn Market comes in. We make choosing your 1300 00:54:11.750 --> 00:54:14.820 car insurance simple. We do all the hard work so 1301 00:54:14.860 --> 00:54:17.039 you don't have to spend your time comparing endless quotes. 1302 00:54:17.469 --> 00:54:19.949 Call us today and save up to € 200 off your 1303 00:54:19.969 --> 00:54:20.630 car insurance. 1304 00:54:21.050 --> 00:54:21.710 Cornmarket. 1305 00:54:21.969 --> 00:54:24.789 We compare, you save. Offer applies to new customers who 1306 00:54:24.809 --> 00:54:27.889 take out a new policy by phone before 31st December 2026. 1307 00:54:27.889 --> 00:54:29.690 Discounts are up to a max 10% of the premium 1308 00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:32.690 and are subject to a minimum premium of € 355. Underwriter 1309 00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:35.530 eligibility criteria and T & Cs apply. Cornmarket Group Financial 1310 00:54:35.570 --> 00:54:37.530 Services Ltd is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. 1311 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.039 Last time we recorded, I mentioned something that I had 1312 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.199 that you seemed interested in. So Will, if you could 1313 00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:51.630 bring over the object in question here. 1314 00:54:52.170 --> 00:54:52.550 Thank you. 1315 00:54:52.829 --> 00:54:54.250 Will hands it off to Aaron. 1316 00:54:54.510 --> 00:54:56.719 Aaron hands it off to me and I hand it. 1317 00:54:57.110 --> 00:54:57.750 Oh, here we go. 1318 00:54:57.989 --> 00:54:58.409 Okay. 1319 00:54:58.650 --> 00:55:01.659 And grab that documentation too, so he doesn't call it 1320 00:55:01.699 --> 00:55:02.340 into question. 1321 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:04.179 Okay. I am taking a look now. 1322 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.869 As I recall, you said that this was the Private 1323 00:55:06.929 --> 00:55:12.539 telephone that was in Dwight D. Eisenhower, President Dwight D. 1324 00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:16.510 Eisenhower's

summer residence while he was in office. 1325 00:55:16.530 --> 00:55:16.929 Is that right? 1326 00:55:16.949 --> 00:55:17.409 That's right. 1327 00:55:17.429 --> 00:55:17.760 Yeah. 1328 00:55:18.030 --> 00:55:21.769 And then you've got letters that say, this is cool. 1329 00:55:25.269 --> 00:55:26.090 That's what it says. 1330 00:55:26.110 --> 00:55:29.900 Oh, Newport White House is what it says. It says 1331 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:31.780 Newport White House. Was this Newport? 1332 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:34.420 This was his summer, like, you know, like Mar-a-Lago is 1333 00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:37.480 to Trump. This was his summer White House. Please don't ever, 1334 00:55:37.659 --> 00:55:40.619 I understand. Lichen, the man who gave the okay at 1335 00:55:40.659 --> 00:55:41.619 the D-Day invasion. 1336 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:42.550 I never would. 1337 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:44.469 And rescued Europe to Donald Trump. 1338 00:55:45.449 --> 00:55:47.090 This was on his... Own desk. 1339 00:55:47.349 --> 00:55:50.010 And this is a very cool phone. 1340 00:55:50.750 --> 00:55:52.070 It's kind of a, I just want to put it 1341 00:55:52.090 --> 00:55:54.610 to my ear, forgetting that I was wearing headphones. That 1342 00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:58.000 was the clank of an idiot. This is very cool. 1343 00:55:58.059 --> 00:56:00.719 It's from the New England Telephone and Telegraph Company. It's 1344 00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:03.679 got that smell of an old phone. It's kind of 1345 00:56:03.699 --> 00:56:07.219 a pea soup green phone. It says Newport White House. 1346 00:56:07.579 --> 00:56:11.239 And there's all these documents. At President Eisenhower's personal telephone 1347 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.449 at the summer White House in Newport. I love this stuff. 1348 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:14.949 Yeah. 1349 00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:16.159 This is really cool. 1350 00:56:16.179 --> 00:56:20.349 Just to think that someone, this was sitting on Dwight 1351 00:56:20.409 --> 00:56:22.989 Eisenhower's desk, his summer residence, right? 1352 00:56:23.110 --> 00:56:23.349 Yeah. 1353 00:56:23.590 --> 00:56:25.869 So he had just been to the beach. Right. 1354 00:56:26.489 --> 00:56:29.840 And he was probably trying to get the sand off 1355 00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:31.619 of his feet. There might have been a starfish that 1356 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:33.900 had gone down his bathing suit. He's trying to wiggle 1357 00:56:33.940 --> 00:56:34.360 that out. 1358 00:56:34.380 --> 00:56:34.980 What? 1359 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:39.039 He's like, oh, starfish. And his feet. Starfish in the 1360 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:39.599 bathing suit. 1361 00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:41.300 And he's wiggling his butt to try and get that 1362 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.489 to fall out. But you know how those things cling on. 1363 00:56:43.909 --> 00:56:44.110 And then. 1364 00:56:46.070 --> 00:56:48.309 And he picked this up, just as I'm picking it 1365 00:56:48.349 --> 00:56:48.809 up right. 1366 00:56:48.670 --> 00:56:52.590 Now, and he held it to his famous Eisenhower scowl. 1367 00:56:54.050 --> 00:56:54.789 What? What is it? 1368 00:56:54.849 --> 00:56:55.530 What's going on? 1369 00:56:55.769 --> 00:56:56.369 It's Mamie. 1370 00:56:56.750 --> 00:56:59.170 Mamie. Mamie Eisenhower, my wife. 1371 00:56:59.210 --> 00:57:00.349 Yeah, I know who I am. 1372 00:57:00.550 --> 00:57:00.869 I know. 1373 00:57:01.050 --> 00:57:02.349 I'm just laying out information. 1374 00:57:02.369 --> 00:57:03.210 Oh, okay. 1375 00:57:03.449 --> 00:57:06.510 Mamie, I've got a starfish in my bathing suit. 1376 00:57:06.570 --> 00:57:07.949 Again, Ike? Yes. 1377 00:57:08.369 --> 00:57:10.190 It's clinging to me. 1378 00:57:10.389 --> 00:57:12.369 If I had a dime. Oh, my God. 1379 00:57:12.409 --> 00:57:13.429 At least I'd have Roosevelt. 1380 00:57:13.469 --> 00:57:14.360 Now he could party. 1381 00:57:14.570 --> 00:57:17.360 Can't get it off. I'm shaking. I'll be right over. 1382 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.079 I'm in the next room, for Christ's sake. 1383 00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.300 Why are you calling me from the next room instead 1384 00:57:21.340 --> 00:57:22.420 of just walking in? 1385 00:57:22.579 --> 00:57:24.400 Well, you just got that new phone installed. 1386 00:57:24.420 --> 00:57:29.750 I wanted to try it. Okay, well, hey, where's our daughter? 1387 00:57:29.909 --> 00:57:31.309 We sent her to D-Day. 1388 00:57:31.829 --> 00:57:32.110 What? 1389 00:57:32.210 --> 00:57:35.670 Oh, my God. He didn't send his daughter to D-Day invasion. 1390 00:57:35.730 --> 00:57:36.829 Oh, I have that wrong. 1391 00:57:36.909 --> 00:57:37.869 That's insane. 1392 00:57:38.030 --> 00:57:38.889 It was Iwo Jima. 1393 00:57:38.929 --> 00:57:40.239 Did he have a... Yeah, he had a daughter. 1394 00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:41.159 Sure he did. 1395 00:57:41.179 --> 00:57:41.480 Yeah. 1396 00:57:41.500 --> 00:57:43.219 Do you know that stuff, Mr. Smart Guy? 1397 00:57:43.500 --> 00:57:45.000 Wait, who are you talking to? 1398 00:57:45.340 --> 00:57:45.440 Oh. 1399 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.320 You're always going on about this Mad Gorley character. 1400 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:49.119 Who is this? 1401 00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:49.920 I'm sorry. 1402 00:57:49.980 --> 00:57:54.070 Sometimes I... You know, I'm famous for some of the... 1403 00:57:54.849 --> 00:57:57.170 cerebral issues that I've had as president. 1404 00:57:57.570 --> 00:57:59.250 That's why you sent our daughter to DJ. 1405 00:57:59.369 --> 00:58:00.309 Oh, my God. 1406 00:58:00.329 --> 00:58:02.030 Why don't you just will the phone to him and 1407 00:58:02.050 --> 00:58:03.920 make sure it ends up in his possession? 1408 00:58:04.139 --> 00:58:05.239 I'll will it to him, all right. 1409 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.000 Why are we still talking to each other when you're 1410 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.519 just in the next room? Why don't you come in 1411 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:11.579 here and get this starfish off my ass?

1412 00:58:11.780 --> 00:58:12.400 I'll be right in. 1413 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:16.050 And why is this improvisation so labored and unproductive? 1414 00:58:16.070 --> 00:58:16.429 I don't know. 1415 00:58:16.750 --> 00:58:16.969 No. 1416 00:58:17.269 --> 00:58:19.829 Have you never had an improv class, Mamie? 1417 00:58:19.849 --> 00:58:21.750 As a matter of fact, I have. 1418 00:58:21.809 --> 00:58:23.550 I studied with Viola Spolin. 1419 00:58:24.019 --> 00:58:24.900 Oh, really? 1420 00:58:25.059 --> 00:58:26.599 I didn't understand. 1421 00:58:27.099 --> 00:58:30.199 Well, anyway, as you know, I'm serving an eight-year term 1422 00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:33.739 because I had two four-year terms. I also, you know, 1423 00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:35.860 I'm building the nation's highway system, Amy. 1424 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.340 Yeah, are you as worried about the industrial military complex 1425 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:40.000 as I am? 1426 00:58:40.219 --> 00:58:42.820 Well, I'm going to talk about that in my farewell address. 1427 00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:43.260 Oh. 1428 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.519 But we'll talk about that later on, and it will 1429 00:58:45.539 --> 00:58:48.480 be featured as part of Oliver Stone's movie, JFK. 1430 00:58:48.980 --> 00:58:50.800 Okay, come on in here, and let me get that 1431 00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:51.699 starfish off. 1432 00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:55.199 No, is that a code for anything? Or are you 1433 00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:56.800 really just going to take the starfish off? 1434 00:58:56.860 --> 00:58:58.239 No, I'm wearing my kimono. 1435 00:58:58.260 --> 00:58:59.900 Oh, JFK. Oh, God. 1436 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:02.000 I find this very inappropriate. 1437 00:59:02.019 --> 00:59:02.099 Rich. 1438 00:59:02.530 --> 00:59:04.380 Well, I'm having this phone ripped out. 1439 00:59:04.340 --> 00:59:07.139 Of the wall right now, and I'm going to send 1440 00:59:07.179 --> 00:59:10.739 it off to that imaginary Gorley freak. Someday, when radio 1441 00:59:10.820 --> 00:59:14.769 comes back in a less efficient form, as something you 1442 00:59:14.789 --> 00:59:15.409 get through. 1443 00:59:15.250 --> 00:59:16.630 A personal computer. 1444 00:59:16.650 --> 00:59:17.469 A what now? 1445 00:59:17.710 --> 00:59:18.230 You'll see. 1446 00:59:18.769 --> 00:59:21.130 I will make sure that Gorley gets it, because he'll 1447 00:59:21.150 --> 00:59:22.809 have what's called a podcast. 1448 00:59:22.909 --> 00:59:23.809 And how do I watch it? 1449 00:59:24.210 --> 00:59:26.110 He'll work for a genius, but he won't know it. 1450 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:29.559 He'll just henpeck him to death. With little facts. He 1451 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:30.119 sure will. 1452 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:30.559 Yes. 1453 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:32.619 Well, I better hang this phone up now. 1454 00:59:32.900 --> 00:59:33.280 Bye. 1455 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:33.619 Bye. 1456 00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:34.039 Love you. 1457 00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:34.480 What? 1458 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:35.130 I love you. 1459 00:59:35.139 --> 00:59:37.480 That's not something couples said to each other in the 50s. 1460 00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:38.940 I know, but I want this to go out on 1461 00:59:38.980 --> 00:59:40.900 a podcast in the future when it's okay. 1462 00:59:41.139 --> 00:59:41.559 Okay. 1463 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:43.079 Well, there you have it. 1464 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:45.239 Goodbye, everybody. 1465 00:59:49.260 --> 00:59:52.780 Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend with Sonam Ovsessian and Conan 1466 00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:57.230 O'Brien as himself. Produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced 1467 00:59:57.250 --> 01:00:00.170 by Adam Sachs and Jeff Ross at Team Coco and 1468 01:00:00.250 --> 01:00:03.769 Chris Bannon and Colin Anderson at Earwolf. Special thanks to 1469 01:00:03.809 --> 01:00:07.409 Jack White for the theme song. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. 1470 01:00:09.789 --> 01:00:12.469 Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair, and the show is 1471 01:00:12.510 --> 01:00:15.110 engineered by Will Becton. You can rate and review this 1472 01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:17.769 show on Apple Podcasts, and you might find your review 1473 01:00:17.809 --> 01:00:20.570 featured on a future episode. Got a question for Conan? 1474 01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:26.800 Call the Team Coco hotline at 323-451-2821 and leave a message. It, too, 1475 01:00:26.860 --> 01:00:29.219 could be featured on a future episode. And if you 1476 01:00:29.260 --> 01:00:32.360 haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend 1477 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:40.969 on Apple Podcasts or wherever fine podcasts are downloaded. This 1478 01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:45.809 has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.