Transkrip lengkap untuk Pulp Blotter #28 - Jon Sable, Freelance - pt. ii

couple of women a little bit more. I have a feel… we got to know the detective a little bit more. 54 00:05:00.870 --> 00:05:10.140 Tad Eggleston: You know, we're starting to have… a… a, 55 00:05:13.070 --> 00:05:16.939 Tad Eggleston: What's the word I'm looking for? an ensemble? 56 00:05:17.590 --> 00:05:23.940 Tad Eggleston: Yes, that's the word I'm looking for. We're starting to have an ensemble fill out, and I really… 57 00:05:24.210 --> 00:05:26.940 Tad Eggleston: really like that. 58 00:05:28.280 --> 00:05:30.600 Sean Harklerode: Don't forget, Jason. 59 00:05:30.870 --> 00:05:32.310 Sean Harklerode: Jason Pratt. 60 00:05:33.490 --> 00:05:34.260 Mark Pracht: Sonny? 61 00:05:34.870 --> 00:05:36.279 Sean Harklerode: Oh, Sonny? Is that… 62 00:05:36.280 --> 00:05:38.299 Mark Pracht: Right, and he… they… I think he says. 63 00:05:38.300 --> 00:05:38.620 Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. 64 00:05:38.620 --> 00:05:39.200 Mark Pracht: honey. 65 00:05:39.460 --> 00:05:40.120 Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. 66 00:05:40.660 --> 00:05:48.910 Sean Harklerode: Who reminds me… oh, and my camera conveniently pans out, reminds me of Vitamin Flint Heart. 67 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:49.860 Mark Pracht: Yep. 68 00:05:49.860 --> 00:05:51.490 Sean Harklerode: From, Dick Tracy. 69 00:05:51.860 --> 00:05:52.460 Tad Eggleston: Right. 70 00:05:55.200 --> 00:05:59.179 Dan Newland: I do not know Vitamin Flint Heart from Dick Tracy. That's… I… 71 00:05:59.700 --> 00:06:01.440 Dan Newland: I'm gonna have to look that up. 72 00:06:02.110 --> 00:06:11.170 Sean Harklerode: He's a kind of bumbling actor, like a very highfalutin actor, who sometimes helps… sometimes helps… 73 00:06:11.470 --> 00:06:12.120 Tad Eggleston: Yeah. 74 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.320 Sean Harklerode: crazy, and sometimes, well, I mean, I would. 75 00:06:15.320 --> 00:06:22.620 Mark Pracht: I wouldn't… I wouldn't call Sonny bumbling, but… Right. He's definitely, of that… 76 00:06:23.690 --> 00:06:30.959 Mark Pracht: I just… I… what kind of struck me is I thought that probably Mike had seen my favorite year at some point. 77 00:06:31.400 --> 00:06:35.759 Mark Pracht: And decided that he wanted to have a character that was somewhat reminiscent of that. 78 00:06:35.960 --> 00:06:43.199 Mark Pracht: Love… you know, I love all these characters, I love, you know, I just… I love them, and… 79 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:55.559 Mark Pracht: the other thing that I… what amused me is that there's a little bit more of the superhero thing kind of coming in there. There's, like, one point, I can't remember, I think it's during the, 80 00:06:57.860 --> 00:07:04.609 Mark Pracht: it's when they're… it's… I think it's in the second issue, where they're hiding in the woods. 81 00:07:05.990 --> 00:07:08.970 Mark Pracht: From the guys coming to find them, and… 82 00:07:09.130 --> 00:07:11.889 Mark Pracht: The battle mask just kind of… 83 00:07:12.350 --> 00:07:26.140 Mark Pracht: instantly appears on his face, and I was like, well, that's about as superhero as it gets. And then the other thing is when… when B.B. Phlegm shows up at the police detective's birthday party, which I'm like, that's totally, like, a Bruce Wayne move, you know? 84 00:07:26.140 --> 00:07:26.840 Sean Harklerode: Right. 85 00:07:31.470 --> 00:07:32.020 Tad Eggleston: Yeah. 86 00:07:32.900 --> 00:07:33.910 Tad Eggleston: Alright. 87 00:07:34.130 --> 00:07:35.949 Tad Eggleston: Now Dan can jump in. 88 00:07:36.260 --> 00:07:39.260 Tad Eggleston: Now that everybody else has had their… their… 89 00:07:39.260 --> 00:07:41.110 Dan Newland: I… I mean, yeah, I love the. 90 00:07:41.110 --> 00:07:42.380 Tad Eggleston: Initial thoughts. 91 00:07:42.850 --> 00:07:48.190 Dan Newland: I absolutely love these books, but one of the things about them to me that's amazing, too, is just… 92 00:07:48.440 --> 00:07:49.839 Dan Newland: There is a… 93 00:07:50.500 --> 00:08:02.559 Dan Newland: an actual, real-person vibe. Like, the… the thing about John Sable is he is like an actual guy who is so confident of the fact that he can do anything. He's not… 94 00:08:02.630 --> 00:08:12.559 Dan Newland: You know, he doesn't have problems with the gay guy or anything like that, his manliness is not threatened. He is well past the point where anything can threaten his manliness at this point. 95 00:08:13.430 --> 00:08:13.870 Mark Pracht: Although… 96 00:08:13.870 --> 00:08:15.819 Dan Newland: It seems real in a lot of ways. 97 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:16.939 Mark Pracht: Although, I do… 98 00:08:16.940 --> 00:08:18.350 Sean Harklerode: uncomfortable with that. 99 00:08:18.770 --> 00:08:26.470 Dan Newland: about it a little bit and stuff like that, in an 80s kind of way, but… but he doesn't, like, you know, refuse to hang out with him and whatever, and this sort of stuff. 100 00:08:26.470 --> 00:08:29.569 Sean Harklerode: Which I think in the 80s was probably a pretty big deal. 101 00:08:30.010 --> 00:08:30.980 Dan Newland: Probably be. 102 00:08:30.980 --> 00:08:33.729 Sean Harklerode: You have a gay supporting character in a comic book. 103 00:08:34.169 --> 00:08:39.969 Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, like, it touches on the gay panic thing, and then immediately is like, fuck that. 104 00:08:40.489 --> 00:08:45.679 Mark Pracht: And I loved, I always forget her roommate's name, 105 00:08:46.209 --> 00:08:50.599 Mark Pracht: Where he's like, do you wanna, do you wanna sleep with every woman that you meet? 106 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:51.160 Tad Eggleston: Yeah. 107 00:08:52.050 --> 00:08:54.659 Tad Eggleston: That, that, that was a fantastic line. 108 00:08:54.930 --> 00:08:55.490 Mark Pracht: Yeah. 109 00:08:56.020 --> 00:08:59.629 Dan Newland: And I mean, other than that, I love the women in these books. 110 00:08:59.690 --> 00:09:17.949 Dan Newland: I think that, you know, they don't pass the Bechtel test particularly, because they're always talking about John Sable, but they are

nonetheless extremely well-rounded characters, and you kind of… the fact that both of them have slept with him, and yet they're just kind of hanging out as, you know, it doesn't ever cause any trouble, 111 00:09:18.980 --> 00:09:20.730 Mark Pracht: Wait, has Mike slept with him yet? 112 00:09:21.630 --> 00:09:22.570 Dan Newland: No! 113 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:24.169 Dan Newland: With the two women. 114 00:09:25.270 --> 00:09:27.400 Dan Newland: The two women, his publisher? 115 00:09:27.590 --> 00:09:29.159 Dan Newland: And the artists, both. 116 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:30.970 Sean Harklerode: Yeah, I don't think she's an artist. 117 00:09:30.970 --> 00:09:33.209 Mark Pracht: I don't think he slept with Michael yet. 118 00:09:33.870 --> 00:09:38.199 Mark Pracht: You may be flashing forward to a book. God damn it! 119 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:42.700 Sean Harklerode: Yeah, I mean, she's… she's clearly inviting him over. 120 00:09:42.700 --> 00:09:44.120 Tad Eggleston: She's… this… 121 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:44.470 Sean Harklerode: Eventually. 122 00:09:44.470 --> 00:09:46.549 Tad Eggleston: She's interested, but she's still… 123 00:09:46.560 --> 00:09:47.750 Dan Newland: I didn't know there was a… 124 00:09:47.750 --> 00:09:48.440 Sean Harklerode: It's like his… 125 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:49.000 Dan Newland: Give him that money. 126 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:49.919 Sean Harklerode: penny right now. 127 00:09:49.920 --> 00:09:51.490 Mark Pracht: I didn't know it. 128 00:09:51.490 --> 00:09:55.560 Dan Newland: We're gonna just go back and re… we're gonna take that out. See, this… I'm… 129 00:09:55.660 --> 00:09:56.869 Tad Eggleston: Nope, it stayed. 130 00:09:57.140 --> 00:09:58.240 Dan Newland: screwed. 131 00:09:58.390 --> 00:09:59.880 Tad Eggleston: Dan's inability to… 132 00:09:59.880 --> 00:10:00.850 Sean Harklerode: Spoiler! 133 00:10:01.710 --> 00:10:08.189 Dan Newland: I should not be trusted by Marvel with the details to any movie whatsoever that is coming out, so… 134 00:10:08.190 --> 00:10:14.120 Mark Pracht: I like how Tad is like, we can just take that out, and Tad's like, nope, nope, we can't. Nope, stays! Because we never edit anything on YouTube. 135 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:18.090 Dan Newland: There's no… there is no edit button. We're just moving on. 136 00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:20.380 Tad Eggleston: There is, but I don't like using it. 137 00:10:20.380 --> 00:10:27.359 Sean Harklerode: Hey, you could title this podcast, like, to cash in, you could call this, You Can Hear Everything. 138 00:10:27.370 --> 00:10:27.910 Dan Newland: Yeah. 139 00:10:27.910 --> 00:10:29.050 Tad Eggleston: There you go. 140 00:10:29.050 --> 00:10:30.540 Sean Harklerode: Biggest podcast. 141 00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:32.730 Sean Harklerode: in, in… 142 00:10:35.170 --> 00:10:35.710 Mark Pracht: Yeah. 143 00:10:36.330 --> 00:10:41.420 Dan Newland: Alright, I'm gonna be quiet for a while, so I don't give anything else away. You guys, you

guys proceed with the next thing. 144 00:10:42.150 --> 00:10:42.950 Mark Pracht: We're gonna call this… 145 00:10:42.950 --> 00:10:50.330 Sean Harklerode: I will tell you, while I was reading this, I just kept imagining Tad. 146 00:10:51.110 --> 00:10:53.279 Sean Harklerode: Because it was so wordy. 147 00:10:53.410 --> 00:10:55.970 Sean Harklerode: And I was like, oh, Tad, loving everything. 148 00:10:55.970 --> 00:11:01.339 Tad Eggleston: But you know what? No, this wordy I can handle, because it wasn't… 149 00:11:03.560 --> 00:11:08.140 Tad Eggleston: It wasn't wordiness for wordiness's sake, and it wasn't telling me what I was seeing. 150 00:11:09.590 --> 00:11:12.250 Sean Harklerode: Right, right. I mean, it was… 151 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:22.460 Sean Harklerode: it was really doing a lot of exposition, entertainingly so. Right. Yes, but it was not just saying what was on the page. 152 00:11:22.460 --> 00:11:28.850 Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's my big thing, is, like, your words need to be added value. 153 00:11:29.730 --> 00:11:32.920 Tad Eggleston: Like, Frank Miller can get really wordy. 154 00:11:33.190 --> 00:11:34.570 Tad Eggleston: And I love him. 155 00:11:34.770 --> 00:11:39.470 Tad Eggleston: I love it better when he writes than when he just does the art, right? 156 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.790 Tad Eggleston: But you always get added value. 157 00:11:43.570 --> 00:11:46.230 Tad Eggleston: He doesn't just tell you what you're looking at. 158 00:11:46.380 --> 00:11:57.979 Tad Eggleston: That's… that's my biggest problem with some of the older, wordy comics, is that I just… I don't see the specific added value that I'm getting from… 159 00:11:58.850 --> 00:12:01.689 Dan Newland: The exposition a lot of them would have had, and… 160 00:12:01.690 --> 00:12:02.050 Tad Eggleston: Right. 161 00:12:02.050 --> 00:12:03.850 Dan Newland: the thought bubble saying that. 162 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:07.099 Tad Eggleston: First still, they're literally describing the action. 163 00:12:07.820 --> 00:12:15.249 Mark Pracht: you know, I won't… I won't… I won't bring up why I'm saying this right now, but when you're dealing with a very, 164 00:12:15.430 --> 00:12:20.789 Mark Pracht: new playwrights, There's a tendency to just… 165 00:12:22.850 --> 00:12:26.180 Mark Pracht: Really, really get descriptive in, like, stage directions. 166 00:12:26.180 --> 00:12:26.540 Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. 167 00:12:27.660 --> 00:12:28.990 Mark Pracht: No one cares. 168 00:12:29.340 --> 00:12:37.659 Mark Pracht: Right? Any actor worth their salt is just gonna cross that out and not worry about it, and figure out their own way through it, you know? Like, stop, stop that. 169 00:12:37.660 --> 00:12:39.639 Sean Harklerode: Playwrights hate to hear that. 170 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:42.929 Mark Pracht: I don't. 171 00:12:42.930 --> 00:12:52.010 Sean Harklerode: Yeah, but no, every actor I've ever met, we just totally ignore stage directions, and it's whatever the director says, I feel like. 172 00:12:52.010 --> 00:12:54.630 Mark Pracht: Well, you know, and the thing is, is, like, it's the… 173 00:12:55.180 --> 00:13:08.189 Mark Pracht: This is getting into a whole different conversation, but it's… it's part of the… it's part of the, the problem with most published scripts are based on the stage manager's prompt script. 174 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.639 Mark Pracht: for, 175 00:13:11.740 --> 00:13:18.870 Mark Pracht: For the first production, right? So they are noting, okay, this actor is doing this line in such a way, right? 176 00:13:19.210 --> 00:13:22.880 Mark Pracht: Because it's part of how they… Track the scene, right? 177 00:13:23.090 --> 00:13:24.220 Mark Pracht: And… 178 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.670 Mark Pracht: you know, so I would hazard a guess, like, if you looked at… I don't know, there's… there's other, you know… 179 00:13:32.150 --> 00:13:34.580 Mark Pracht: Whatever. But I mean, like, yeah, it's like… 180 00:13:34.880 --> 00:13:43.330 Mark Pracht: there's no reason for it. And I think, you know, I tease Tad a lot about that, but I understand what you're saying, but it's also… 181 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:50.849 Mark Pracht: You know, by this point, You know, this book is very much a post… 182 00:13:51.940 --> 00:14:01.519 Mark Pracht: post-Neal Adams, post-Frank Miller series, right? Like… I… I think that this… 183 00:14:02.590 --> 00:14:12.479 Mark Pracht: this series owes a lot to Miller's Daredevil. I think it owes a lot to the O'Neil, Adams Batman stuff. 184 00:14:12.910 --> 00:14:23.760 Mark Pracht: And, you know, as well as Mike, you know, with Mike Grell's own obsessions with, you know, like, clearly, the bond thing is coming out even more and more as we get into it, you know? 185 00:14:24.330 --> 00:14:26.540 Mark Pracht: And that's what makes it cool, so… 186 00:14:26.910 --> 00:14:34.779 Mark Pracht: It's a… it's a distillation. You really get the sense that you kind of know who Mike Grell is reading this book, right? 187 00:14:39.550 --> 00:14:40.030 Sean Harklerode: That's… 188 00:14:40.030 --> 00:14:44.329 Mark Pracht: Everyone is nodding to anyone listening to the podcast. We're really good at. 189 00:14:44.330 --> 00:14:45.659 Tad Eggleston: get that sometimes. 190 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:52.760 Sean Harklerode: That's… That's what makes this feel kind of special. It feels… 191 00:14:53.950 --> 00:15:01.950 Sean Harklerode: It feels very, unique and very, personal. 192 00:15:03.030 --> 00:15:15.160 Sean Harklerode: you know, it's one man's vision. It seems like one man's vision. I know he has, you know, Mike Gold editing, etc, but it really does feel like this is Mike Grell's idea, it's his baby, and he's… 193 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:17.300 Sean Harklerode: Writing and drawing it. 194 00:15:17.540 --> 00:15:24.859 Sean Harklerode: And with minimal you know, intrusion from editorial. 195 00:15:25.130 --> 00:15:25.640 Mark Pracht: Right.

196 00:15:25.640 --> 00:15:26.360 Sean Harklerode: And… 197 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:26.819 Mark Pracht: Well, it might. 198 00:15:26.820 --> 00:15:29.050 Sean Harklerode: That just makes it separate. What? 199 00:15:29.570 --> 00:15:34.130 Mark Pracht: Mike Grel kind of said that in his… Back matter, yeah. 200 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:39.149 Dan Newland: Yeah, I find it interesting, also, we talked a little about Sunny. 201 00:15:39.350 --> 00:15:44.119 Dan Newland: Sunny, to me, is a cool character, because he almost seems like somebody who's been… 202 00:15:44.450 --> 00:16:02.100 Dan Newland: been playing at being the guy John Sable is his whole life, as like a, you know, an actor, and a stuntman, and all this sort of stuff. He does all the same stuff, but kind of with wires that John Sable's doing without wires, so they… they get along really well, and they have a sort of a similar… 203 00:16:02.280 --> 00:16:03.380 Dan Newland: viewpoint? 204 00:16:03.510 --> 00:16:08.880 Dan Newland: It's just that one of them is in a completely different league as far as what he's actually doing. 205 00:16:09.260 --> 00:16:16.630 Mark Pracht: Although, Sonny is the one that keeps telling Johnny doesn't have a killer instinct, or didn't have a killer instinct, which I think… I think is… 206 00:16:17.970 --> 00:16:24.920 Mark Pracht: interesting, because you have… it's sort of Sunny speaking to who… John was. 207 00:16:25.430 --> 00:16:28.089 Mark Pracht: Before everything we saw in the last book, right? 208 00:16:28.090 --> 00:16:28.630 Sean Harklerode: Right. 209 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:30.319 Mark Pracht: And I think that… 210 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:37.079 Mark Pracht: you know, in that book, you know, that first… that first book was, you know, I think it was very much about how 211 00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:43.030 Mark Pracht: John… became a killer, right? 212 00:16:45.020 --> 00:16:56.170 Mark Pracht: you know, but he also has the, you know, it's like, I… you… I'm not a paid killer, but yet he fucking kills somebody in every episode, every issue, episode. But, quite often… 213 00:16:56.170 --> 00:16:57.510 Sean Harklerode: He does that for free? 214 00:16:57.700 --> 00:16:58.200 Mark Pracht: That's right. 215 00:17:00.390 --> 00:17:01.100 Tad Eggleston: Doesn't have to be. 216 00:17:01.100 --> 00:17:04.970 Dan Newland: While getting paid. While getting paid, but it's not, it's not the intention. 217 00:17:04.970 --> 00:17:07.559 Mark Pracht: That… that's… that's just the bonus. 218 00:17:07.560 --> 00:17:08.150 Dan Newland: Nope. 219 00:17:08.520 --> 00:17:10.109 Mark Pracht: But I will say, I think… 220 00:17:10.650 --> 00:17:18.160 Mark Pracht: as much as I loved every issue of this run, like, that issue 10… is really interesting. 221 00:17:18.420 --> 00:17:26.820 Mark Pracht: I think in… just in the psychological impact of it, and, like, we're talking about it, building the ensemble and everything, but, like. 222 00:17:27.030 -->

00:17:30.919 Mark Pracht: Not… not a lot actually happens in that book. 223 00:17:32.310 --> 00:17:37.099 Mark Pracht: As far as action, right? But everybody gets a little bit… 224 00:17:37.490 --> 00:17:41.800 Mark Pracht: you know, we find out that Sonny has kind of got this lonely life, you know? 225 00:17:42.020 --> 00:17:51.209 Mark Pracht: John invites him for Thanksgiving, he's like, no, no, I got family, and then the… the… the landlord lady comes in and invites him for Thanksgiving, you know. 226 00:17:52.940 --> 00:18:00.000 Mark Pracht: we find out that Eden is, you know, hiding her Irishness. 227 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:05.249 Mark Pracht: Wow, that's an 80s thing. 228 00:18:05.510 --> 00:18:12.470 Mark Pracht: maybe, maybe 1880s thing, I don't know, but I mean, and then… 229 00:18:13.620 --> 00:18:16.810 Mark Pracht: part of what I… okay, we have… we have… he meets, he meets. 230 00:18:16.810 --> 00:18:18.519 Sean Harklerode: hiding her Irishness. 231 00:18:19.060 --> 00:18:19.600 Mark Pracht: Right. 232 00:18:19.600 --> 00:18:21.189 Sean Harklerode: That name's Kowalski. 233 00:18:25.860 --> 00:18:27.179 Mark Pracht: It's Red Zeruba. 234 00:18:30.110 --> 00:18:31.729 Tad Eggleston: Maybe it's Polishness. 235 00:18:31.730 --> 00:18:33.520 Sean Harklerode: Pretending to be Irish. 236 00:18:33.830 --> 00:18:36.980 Mark Pracht: Have a nice… Trip, Irish. 237 00:18:38.320 --> 00:18:41.280 Mark Pracht: Maybe Mike's a little confused. 238 00:18:43.370 --> 00:18:44.930 Tad Eggleston: Or he's messing with her. 239 00:18:45.300 --> 00:18:47.479 Mark Pracht: Maybe, I don't know. Yeah. 240 00:18:48.810 --> 00:18:53.860 Mark Pracht: But anyway, and then we, you know, we have the, we have the, the interaction with, 241 00:18:54.320 --> 00:19:00.420 Mark Pracht: you know, Mike, and god, I always… Forget her. 242 00:19:04.900 --> 00:19:05.780 Sean Harklerode: a roommate? 243 00:19:06.030 --> 00:19:06.890 Dan Newland: Grave? 244 00:19:07.470 --> 00:19:09.190 Mark Pracht: Gray. Gray, that's right. 245 00:19:09.350 --> 00:19:13.620 Mark Pracht: And I love that they bond over the fencing, which is awesome, you know. 246 00:19:14.470 --> 00:19:18.450 Mark Pracht: And then… He's fencing like dancing, that's awesome. But… 247 00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:22.439 Mark Pracht: You know, and then he's supposed to go and do the Today Show, right? 248 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:24.540 Mark Pracht: And he's so… 249 00:19:25.700 --> 00:19:33.809 Mark Pracht: like, the whole B.B. Flem thing is driving him nuts, right? So he has to go out and pick a fight with a bunch of fucking gangsters, right? 250 00:19:34.270 --> 00:19:40.550 Mark Pracht: And… and… Beat the shit out of them, And then… 251 00:19:43.060 --> 00:19:47.139 Mark Pracht: You know, he has the interaction with the police… the police detective, or the captain. 252 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:55.219 Mark Pracht: And then he shows up at the kid's birthday party as B.B. Flem. And I'm like, okay,

so… 253 00:19:55.630 --> 00:20:03.339 Mark Pracht: What a lovely distillation of how he grapples with Cause, you know, for… for… 254 00:20:03.560 --> 00:20:09.390 Mark Pracht: issue upon issue, when people have asked him about the B.B. Flem thing, he's like, there's just so much money, right? 255 00:20:10.170 --> 00:20:12.199 Mark Pracht: And now we sort of see that 256 00:20:12.930 --> 00:20:15.579 Mark Pracht: There's something a little more to it, right? 257 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:23.629 Mark Pracht: that there's some meaning that he does find in it, right? Because when he's doing the interview, he's fallen asleep, right? And then… 258 00:20:23.980 --> 00:20:30.659 Mark Pracht: But he comes into this party, and he's… and the kids are all happy and excited, and… and he's actually enjoying it. 259 00:20:31.340 --> 00:20:37.669 Mark Pracht: And I think that… I think there… I think that's really cool. I think that as a character bit, that is super cool. 260 00:20:41.730 --> 00:20:44.570 Sean Harklerode: Well, I mean, you think of where those stories came from, right? 261 00:20:45.930 --> 00:20:49.859 Sean Harklerode: You know, they came from playing with his… his kids. 262 00:20:50.060 --> 00:20:50.600 Mark Pracht: Yep. 263 00:20:50.600 --> 00:20:51.920 Sean Harklerode: And, yeah. 264 00:20:55.450 --> 00:20:59.389 Mark Pracht: Although, I am going to question the… the, 265 00:21:00.120 --> 00:21:05.290 Mark Pracht: Competency of, of, our detective… that… 266 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:10.680 Mark Pracht: John Sable in a wig and a fake mustache. 267 00:21:11.130 --> 00:21:16.679 Mark Pracht: two feet in front of him, he doesn't realize that these are the same guy. 268 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:18.290 Tad Eggleston: Is that clear? 269 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:26.750 Tad Eggleston: Because I actually… I actually found myself looking at those panels and going, does he know what's happening? I think he might. 270 00:21:27.390 --> 00:21:28.360 Mark Pracht: Well, I mean… 271 00:21:28.360 --> 00:21:35.920 Tad Eggleston: I think I need to wait until we have more interactions between Sable and him before I really… 272 00:21:36.450 --> 00:21:37.060 Mark Pracht: Yeah. 273 00:21:37.610 --> 00:21:39.209 Sean Harklerode: He's got hypnoglasses. 274 00:21:50.110 --> 00:21:52.870 Mark Pracht: Okay, Mort. 275 00:21:54.800 --> 00:22:03.410 Mark Pracht: Sean… Sean, quote-unquote, Mort Weisinger, Harklerode, coming in with the… There's no prize. 276 00:22:04.730 --> 00:22:06.170 Mark Pracht: Is that enough power? 277 00:22:06.170 --> 00:22:06.840 Dan Newland: Looking forward to this. 278 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:15.529 Dan Newland: you're talking about. I'm also… Weisinger era right now, so, I'm… I'm completely… Completely there. 279 00:22:15.530 --> 00:22:16.740 Mark Pracht: Yeah, 280 00:22:17.650 --> 00:22:22.520 Dan Newland: So I have a question for you guys. All of you are reading this in the compendiums, right? 281 00:22:22.990 --> 00:22:23.560 Sean Harklerode: Yeah. 282 00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:32.900 Dan Newland: Does it include the… the origin of independent comics and the other, the other sort of, like, things that are written in the first comic? 283 00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:33.220 Sean Harklerode: Oh. 284 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:33.810 Dan Newland: open. 285 00:22:34.100 --> 00:22:34.450 Mark Pracht: No. 286 00:22:34.450 --> 00:22:49.300 Dan Newland: Because they had a guy named Charles Meyerson who actually did all of these things. He did, like, one of them's a 5- or 6 part Origins of Independent Comics. One of them talks about, like, censorship in comics and stuff like this. But they're basically, like, a researched essay. 287 00:22:49.430 --> 00:23:03.180 Dan Newland: that they put into all the first comics. It was like, this one was in all the comics for one month, and then part two would be all in all the comics for the next month, or whatever. Kind of like Marvel did with some stuff, DCs did some stuff back in the day. But they are really good. 288 00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:18.010 Dan Newland: they're actually really entertaining, and are kind of a cool introduction to sort of where in the early 80s all of these guys who were working in the business kind of look back at where things had been up to that point, so… 289 00:23:18.070 --> 00:23:35.739 Dan Newland: Kind of interesting, that's some of the stuff that I miss when I end up just reading them in the big volumes, is being able to go in and see the ads, or see the, you know, the Warp Special Lord Cumulus issue coming up that's on the back cover, and stuff like this. 290 00:23:36.230 --> 00:23:36.820 Dan Newland: these… 291 00:23:36.820 --> 00:23:40.739 Mark Pracht: No, yeah, I mean, I think… I think that that is one of the big losses. I mean, like. 292 00:23:41.040 --> 00:23:47.390 Mark Pracht: When we talk about these, you know, the, 293 00:23:48.500 --> 00:23:51.710 Mark Pracht: Replica additions that everybody's putting out now. 294 00:23:52.190 --> 00:24:02.689 Mark Pracht: I get really nervous about that, because I think the better they do, you kind of wonder when that's just gonna become all the big two do, you know? 295 00:24:03.020 --> 00:24:06.910 Mark Pracht: But at the same time, man, it is cool to see, like. 296 00:24:07.620 --> 00:24:08.689 Dan Newland: The ads and the stuff. 297 00:24:08.690 --> 00:24:11.710 Mark Pracht: the ads, and the, you know… I mean, and… 298 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:19.140 Mark Pracht: like, every time… like, every… speaking of DC Silver Age stuff, like, every time I… I'm reading… 299 00:24:19.570 --> 00:24:34.480 Mark Pracht: one of those compendiums, and I come to one of those pages where they had the half ad, yeah, there you go. Where we would have a half ad, you know, and they just end up putting, like, the logo or something down there, and you're like, God, what was that ad? I need to know what that ad is. 300 00:24:34.820 --> 00:24:38.429 Sean Harklerode: I need to know

what's going on with the sugar and spike that month. 301 00:24:38.430 --> 00:24:40.460 Mark Pracht: I think that's. 302 00:24:40.460 --> 00:24:58.119 Dan Newland: That's what put it in, is when you're talking about the hypnoglasses. You don't get all of those crazy-ass ads from the olden days. So kids that are rereading that do not know just how many different armies you could have purchased for, like, $2.99 out of the comic books over the years, you know? 303 00:24:58.120 --> 00:24:58.999 Sean Harklerode: the sea monkey. 304 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:01.640 Mark Pracht: Life-size, life-size working submarine. 305 00:25:01.750 --> 00:25:04.430 Mark Pracht: $1.99. 306 00:25:06.280 --> 00:25:08.009 Dan Newland: So much good stuff. 307 00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:09.840 Sean Harklerode: X-ray specs. 308 00:25:10.360 --> 00:25:11.570 Mark Pracht: X-ray specs. 309 00:25:12.140 --> 00:25:15.269 Dan Newland: Did anybody ever order anything out of the comics? Did any of you guys… 310 00:25:15.270 --> 00:25:22.020 Mark Pracht: I ordered, I ordered one of those, the, the, the Army, the 100 Army Men thing. 311 00:25:22.530 --> 00:25:26.850 Mark Pracht: Just as disappointing as anyone has ever told you. 312 00:25:28.810 --> 00:25:36.010 Mark Pracht: You know, because I expected, like, Green Army men, right? Right. And… they were… 313 00:25:36.010 --> 00:25:36.740 Dan Newland: Terrible. 314 00:25:36.740 --> 00:25:38.710 Mark Pracht: They were, like, that big. 315 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.550 Mark Pracht: And they were flat. 316 00:25:41.430 --> 00:25:45.229 Dan Newland: I also made the mistake of buying one of the armies. 317 00:25:45.820 --> 00:25:46.580 Mark Pracht: Yeah. Wow. 318 00:25:46.580 --> 00:25:47.190 Dan Newland: like it. 319 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:48.640 Mark Pracht: Crazy. 320 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:49.200 Dan Newland: Leo. 321 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:49.830 Mark Pracht: Crazy. 322 00:25:49.830 --> 00:25:50.609 Dan Newland: That point. 323 00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:55.850 Mark Pracht: John Sable could have taken all those guys out. 324 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:57.570 Mark Pracht: Anyway… 325 00:25:58.100 --> 00:25:58.640 Dan Newland: Anyway… 326 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:03.450 Mark Pracht: No, yeah, I… I do… I… look, I know what you mean. Like, I think that… I think… 327 00:26:03.830 --> 00:26:08.580 Mark Pracht: I… I will always… I will always love the fact that we're… we get 328 00:26:08.950 --> 00:26:15.050 Mark Pracht: You know, compilation books, and reprinting books, and things like that, and high-quality stuff. 329 00:26:15.150 --> 00:26:15.970 Mark Pracht: like… 330 00:26:16.560 --> 00:26:30.489 Mark Pracht: Well, Tad note, we started this podcast talking about Ms. Tree, and how much I love those books, and they're so hard to find, and to get all of them printed in really nice quality… 331 00:26:32.210 --> 00:26:35.710 Mark Pracht: Yup. Was super exciting, right? And, 332 00:26:36.690 --> 00:26:38.940 Mark Pracht: But at

the same time, you know. 333 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:43.990 Mark Pracht: I… I'll say Tad and I talked about this when we were reading him, like, that… 334 00:26:45.090 --> 00:26:49.449 Mark Pracht: Max Allen Collins refused to put them out in chronological order. 335 00:26:49.770 --> 00:26:56.260 Mark Pracht: he wanted to do the best ones first, and so it was, like, the DC series. 336 00:26:56.810 --> 00:27:00.629 Mark Pracht: from the 90s was the first book, and I'm like, I… 337 00:27:01.490 --> 00:27:02.460 Dan Newland: Weird, yep. 338 00:27:02.690 --> 00:27:07.549 Mark Pracht: It would, like, so you can't really just read them straight through and get the whole story. 339 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:12.559 Mark Pracht: You're picking up things piece by piece, you know, and it's a little frustrating. 340 00:27:13.340 --> 00:27:17.109 Dan Newland: Well, and even with these, I mean, when you read the Sable stories. 341 00:27:17.590 --> 00:27:23.889 Dan Newland: they are so locked into the 80s. Like, these are a historical document of their times, you know? 342 00:27:23.890 --> 00:27:24.320 Sean Harklerode: Scrappy. 343 00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:24.760 Dan Newland: Carson. 344 00:27:24.760 --> 00:27:25.520 Sean Harklerode: in poly. 345 00:27:25.520 --> 00:27:29.940 Dan Newland: shallot, you know? He, he absolutely is. 346 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:30.750 Mark Pracht: Donnie Carson. 347 00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:33.499 Dan Newland: these… yeah. And, and so… 348 00:27:34.020 --> 00:27:44.810 Dan Newland: I would… I do like going back and just reading them, and then you're seeing the, you know, people write in with their letters and whatever from the time. There is something really missing. 349 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:46.000 Dan Newland: where… 350 00:27:46.120 --> 00:27:52.900 Dan Newland: I know they don't have permission to redo the letters or whatever is a reprint, so a lot of times they have to take them out, and there's reasons. 351 00:27:53.420 --> 00:27:58.430 Dan Newland: But in terms of getting people to be able to really, kind of, Enjoy the full… 352 00:27:58.560 --> 00:28:09.310 Dan Newland: the full scale of what's cool about a comic. For me, a lot of times, it's listening to people bitch about what they didn't like 2 or 3 issues previous in the letter columns. And… 353 00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:14.219 Dan Newland: You know, that… again, you don't get that real feel of exactly what these books were. 354 00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:23.129 Mark Pracht: Well, and that's something I don't think you'd see today. I can't imagine a comic book company printing some letter that was, like, super critical. 355 00:28:24.260 --> 00:28:27.170 Mark Pracht: of… you know. 356 00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:29.140 Dan Newland: I think there's… 357 00:28:29.140 --> 00:28:31.820 Mark Pracht: I remember… The, the independent company. 358 00:28:31.820 --> 00:28:32.680 Dan Newland: companies do. 359 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:39.559 Sean Harklerode: Walking Dead, I mean, that's been over for a few years now, but they printed some negative letters. 360 00:28:42.310 --> 00:28:43.690 Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think most of. 361 00:28:43.690 --> 00:28:47.440 Mark Pracht: I'm not familiar with The Walking Dead. Is that some sort of… 362 00:28:47.860 --> 00:28:48.900 Tad Eggleston: I think, I think most… 363 00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:50.520 Mark Pracht: A lot of comics? 364 00:28:50.520 --> 00:28:51.380 Sean Harklerode: This is a great comment. 365 00:28:51.380 --> 00:29:03.440 Tad Eggleston: I think mo… Most of the comics that have… Their letters, pages… Curated by the… creative team. 366 00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:06.100 Tad Eggleston: that I've read. 367 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:07.660 Tad Eggleston: Print. 368 00:29:07.810 --> 00:29:11.029 Tad Eggleston: Negative letters, and sometimes have more fun with them. 369 00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:19.270 Dan Newland: I remember Powers, actually, I, at a certain point, got tired of it, because vendors would have, like. 370 00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:22.930 Dan Newland: 4 or 5 pages of letter columns. It felt like you had. 371 00:29:22.930 --> 00:29:23.260 Sean Harklerode: I don'. 372 00:29:23.260 --> 00:29:26.029 Dan Newland: Comic book than letter pages sometimes. 373 00:29:26.450 --> 00:29:26.800 Dan Newland: Well. 374 00:29:26.800 --> 00:29:29.390 Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but if you go back and look at it… 375 00:29:29.390 --> 00:29:30.469 Mark Pracht: Loves to talk. 376 00:29:30.470 --> 00:29:32.820 Tad Eggleston: They were always extra pages. 377 00:29:33.030 --> 00:29:36.429 Dan Newland: They were extra pages, but I mean, it was… it was substantial. 378 00:29:36.430 --> 00:29:37.650 Tad Eggleston: He didn't rob you. 379 00:29:39.010 --> 00:29:39.690 Tad Eggleston: He didn't rock. 380 00:29:39.690 --> 00:29:44.610 Dan Newland: I mean… The monkey sex issue robbed me. I'm still angry about that one, but… 381 00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:50.159 Dan Newland: I don't know if any of you remember that one. 382 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:55.030 Mark Pracht: Hands down, my favorite comic book of all time, Dan. Sorry. 383 00:29:57.050 --> 00:29:58.789 Sean Harklerode: I've never read Powers, so that's… 384 00:29:58.790 --> 00:30:01.940 Mark Pracht: I… Powers… Powers is… 385 00:30:02.080 --> 00:30:09.040 Mark Pracht: You know, look, I… kinda… Powers would be a good series for this… for this, too. 386 00:30:09.040 --> 00:30:09.819 Dan Newland: It would actually mean? 387 00:30:10.430 --> 00:30:14.289 Dan Newland: Especially those first issues, I really, I really loved the first, the first run of… 388 00:30:14.290 --> 00:30:19.620 Mark Pracht: the… You know, I… when I… 389 00:30:20.760 --> 00:30:24.560 Mark Pracht: Let's see, when I left… College. 390 00:30:25.340 --> 00:30:29.219 Mark Pracht: when I left Kearney, Nebraska, and moved to Omaha, 391 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:34.370 Mark Pracht: That's when I kind of stopped with comics. 392 00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:43.050 Mark

Pracht: And I didn't really get back into them, and I definitely stopped once I moved to Chicago, just because money. 393 00:30:46.080 --> 00:30:55.559 Mark Pracht: And it wasn't until… I remember, it was… Bendis is what brought me back, because it was Powers and Ultimate Spider-Man. 394 00:30:56.130 --> 00:30:59.469 Mark Pracht: And I was like, holy shit, this is great. 395 00:30:59.610 --> 00:31:03.609 Mark Pracht: And, I couldn't stop reading either one of those, so… 396 00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:10.589 Mark Pracht: And I'm actually… I am a little salty with Bendis right now, because I'm just not clear… 397 00:31:10.990 --> 00:31:16.980 Mark Pracht: what… what is going on with powers. It seems like it's still going, but I can't… I can't figure it out. 398 00:31:17.630 --> 00:31:20.839 Dan Newland: I even gave up eventually and just bought the trades. 399 00:31:20.840 --> 00:31:21.659 Mark Pracht: Well, yeah, I have… 400 00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:23.649 Dan Newland: keep up with the comics. It was impossible. 401 00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:30.759 Mark Pracht: I have all of them up until the first time the series stopped. Yeah. 402 00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:37.859 Mark Pracht: And then… but then he restart… they restarted it, and I… but I'm… and I got confused, and I was just like. 403 00:31:37.860 --> 00:31:38.790 Dan Newland: Yeah, it's a mess. 404 00:31:38.790 --> 00:31:43.740 Mark Pracht: Cause I'm like, I just… I want… I want, 405 00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:46.910 Mark Pracht: I want those two characters, those two main characters. 406 00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:48.150 Tad Eggleston: So what you're. 407 00:31:48.150 --> 00:31:48.770 Mark Pracht: I remember. 408 00:31:48.770 --> 00:31:49.310 Tad Eggleston: Dang. 409 00:31:49.990 --> 00:31:53.070 Tad Eggleston: is that Powers needs to be on our list to read for those. 410 00:31:53.070 --> 00:31:54.180 Mark Pracht: I think so. 411 00:31:54.390 --> 00:31:55.409 Mark Pracht: Especially if Sean. 412 00:31:55.410 --> 00:32:01.349 Dan Newland: I think you'd enjoy it. It's kind of like a noir detective series with superheroes. 413 00:32:01.540 --> 00:32:03.209 Tad Eggleston: I love Powerish. 414 00:32:03.490 --> 00:32:07.590 Tad Eggleston: I mean, if you like Bendis at all, ALL. 415 00:32:07.860 --> 00:32:09.920 Tad Eggleston: Powers is his masterpiece. 416 00:32:10.990 --> 00:32:18.289 Tad Eggleston: Might be Oming's masterpiece, too, but honestly, I think Oming's more consistent than Ben is. 417 00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:27.159 Tad Eggleston: and I say that with the utmost love for Bendis. I think sometimes it's easier for an artist to be consistent. 418 00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:30.080 Tad Eggleston: But yeah. 419 00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:33.789 Mark Pracht: Well, I, I, you know, like, and I'm not, I'm not really a… 420 00:32:34.900 --> 00:32:42.270 Mark Pracht: I'm not a, I actually… I reached out to Bendis at one point in the early 2000s. 421 00:32:42.830 --> 00:32:46.370 Mark Pracht: about trying to do a stage adaptation of Powers. 422 00:32:46.970 --> 00:32:47.340 Tad Eggleston: Oh. 423 00:32:47.340 --> 00:32:48.730 Mark Pracht: And, 424 00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:56.570 Mark Pracht: And he… he was very kind. I just got his email off the internet someplace. He was very kind, and he was like, I'm sorry, dude. 425 00:32:56.900 --> 00:32:59.350 Mark Pracht: the film rights are gone, so… 426 00:32:59.350 --> 00:32:59.800 Dan Newland: options. 427 00:32:59.800 --> 00:33:00.310 Tad Eggleston: Right. 428 00:33:00.310 --> 00:33:02.919 Mark Pracht: Yeah, so, and I'm like, okay, well, that sucks. 429 00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:09.130 Mark Pracht: because, yeah, that was around the time when they were… Talk about… 430 00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:12.180 Tad Eggleston: Film… the film rights would include stage? 431 00:33:13.070 --> 00:33:13.470 Mark Pracht: Oh, yeah. 432 00:33:13.470 --> 00:33:15.099 Tad Eggleston: I mean, I guess it depends on the contract. 433 00:33:15.100 --> 00:33:19.879 Mark Pracht: when somebody buys the film and TV rights, they basically will lock up everything so that there's no. 434 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:20.370 Tad Eggleston: Okay. 435 00:33:20.370 --> 00:33:27.030 Mark Pracht: Gotcha. Unless you're somebody like Stephen King, or somebody who can literally break that stuff up, right? 436 00:33:27.030 --> 00:33:28.619 Tad Eggleston: I wonder how it is now. 437 00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:32.779 Mark Pracht: I don't know. I mean, that would be something I would… 438 00:33:32.950 --> 00:33:42.559 Mark Pracht: like, I know we… we haven't… the… the, Word Balloon hasn't had the Bendis Roundtable for a while that I know of. 439 00:33:42.560 --> 00:33:42.910 Tad Eggleston: Nope. 440 00:33:42.910 --> 00:33:43.909 Mark Pracht: Yeah. Nope, it's. 441 00:33:43.910 --> 00:33:44.720 Tad Eggleston: It's been a little bit… 442 00:33:45.650 --> 00:33:46.809 Mark Pracht: I would, 443 00:33:48.580 --> 00:34:00.160 Mark Pracht: I'd love to ask Brian about that. Although, Brian was the one, he wanted to trade… he was like, oh, can we do a swap? I'd love to read your plays. And then I was, like, reaching out to him and to Centris, and… 444 00:34:00.360 --> 00:34:03.110 Mark Pracht: whatever. Nothing. So… 445 00:34:03.110 --> 00:34:03.710 Tad Eggleston: Didn't make it. 446 00:34:04.540 --> 00:34:08.369 Mark Pracht: I'm like, Brian, I got your books, anytime you want them. 447 00:34:08.370 --> 00:34:09.120 Tad Eggleston: He's a busy guy. 448 00:34:09.120 --> 00:34:09.650 Dan Newland: We'll see. 449 00:34:09.889 --> 00:34:10.519 Tad Eggleston: I can do. 450 00:34:11.810 --> 00:34:12.350 Dan Newland: It's. 451 00:34:12.350 --> 00:34:13.469 Mark Pracht: But, 452 00:34:14.730 --> 00:34:27.089 Mark Pracht: What else? Oh, yeah, because I remember that, because right after I reached out to him, that's when they sort of announced that they were working on it, and that the big rumor was that Kyle Chandler was going to play Christian

Walker, and I was like. 453 00:34:27.520 --> 00:34:29.479 Mark Pracht: Like, that's the great mist. 454 00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:34.929 Mark Pracht: opportunity of, if you're going to do a TV show, or you're going to do a movie. 455 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.580 Mark Pracht: Like, that to me is… Perfect. 456 00:34:39.139 --> 00:34:45.250 Mark Pracht: Kyle Chandler in the early 2000s. Anyway… Usual? 457 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.779 Dan Newland: He was really good in Lanterns. 458 00:34:49.090 --> 00:34:52.380 Mark Pracht: He was really good on lanterns. I… Look, I really. 459 00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:53.819 Dan Newland: We don't have to talk a boat lanterns. 460 00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:54.290 Mark Pracht: I know. 461 00:34:54.290 --> 00:34:54.900 Dan Newland: But he is so… 462 00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:55.730 Mark Pracht: He was really good in life. 463 00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:56.169 Dan Newland: entrance. 464 00:34:56.170 --> 00:35:01.629 Mark Pracht: I really, really, really, really liked lanterns. At the same time, I felt like they did… 465 00:35:02.020 --> 00:35:04.960 Mark Pracht: they did Hal a bit dirty in that show. 466 00:35:05.630 --> 00:35:16.650 Mark Pracht: I… that's… like, I understand that that's the story they were telling, and that I'm not… I'm not angry about it, I'm not going on the internet and bitching about it, but as… as a fan of those characters… 467 00:35:16.650 --> 00:35:17.660 Sean Harklerode: That's new for you. 468 00:35:19.770 --> 00:35:24.109 Dan Newland: You may be the only DC fan not on the internet bitching about it, actually. 469 00:35:24.110 --> 00:35:31.020 Mark Pracht: But, the, but no, I just was sort of like, you know… 470 00:35:31.470 --> 00:35:35.349 Mark Pracht: Come on, it's fuckin' Hal Jordan, you know? 471 00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:44.269 Mark Pracht: Plus, he was so good as Al Jordan that I was like, I want more of this, please, you know? 472 00:35:44.470 --> 00:35:53.359 Mark Pracht: And it was the sort of character that I think they need, that… that right now, Gunn's DC universe could use. Like, he was… 473 00:35:54.490 --> 00:35:59.239 Mark Pracht: Actually, what was funny, as… now we're way off topic, but… 474 00:35:59.550 --> 00:36:11.870 Mark Pracht: as I was watching it, I was like, you know, what Kyle Chandler is doing right here, right now, with Hal Jordan, is sort of how I imagine Metamorpho when I'm reading those 70s 475 00:36:12.670 --> 00:36:25.209 Mark Pracht: Brave and Bold and the original, you know, Bob Haney Metamorpho issues. Like, he's sort of like… it's like Indiana Jones with superpowers. And I'm like. 476 00:36:25.650 --> 00:36:34.540 Mark Pracht: And that's one… that was another thing, like, I thought that the Metamorpho that was in Superman was not the Metamorpho that I read, you know? And I'm like. 477 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:41.260 Mark Pracht: Wow. Like, Kyle Chandler as a real Bob Haney-style metamorpho could be awesome. 478 00:36:42.660 --> 00:36:49.369 Dan

Newland: What was weird is what he reminded me of was the… the Darwin Cook New Frontier Hal Jordan, actually. 479 00:36:49.370 --> 00:36:50.350 Mark Pracht: Yeah, it's true. 480 00:36:50.350 --> 00:36:52.480 Dan Newland: It was one of… one of my favorite incarnations. 481 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:52.910 Mark Pracht: Yeah, yeah. 482 00:36:52.910 --> 00:36:53.420 Dan Newland: as a shorter. 483 00:36:53.420 --> 00:36:54.410 Sean Harklerode: Right. 484 00:36:54.640 --> 00:37:03.339 Mark Pracht: 100%, 100%, and anybody who, like, anybody who bitches about that show, and it's not sci-fi enough, and I'm like, go read Hard Traveling Heroes, man. Like… 485 00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:05.799 Mark Pracht: Fuck off, right? 486 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.150 Sean Harklerode: to reread Emerald Dawn. 487 00:37:09.610 --> 00:37:11.179 Sean Harklerode: I remember really loving that. 488 00:37:11.350 --> 00:37:12.570 Sean Harklerode: That ministry. 489 00:37:12.930 --> 00:37:13.820 Sean Harklerode: When I… that was when I. 490 00:37:13.820 --> 00:37:14.230 Mark Pracht: I mean, like. 491 00:37:14.230 --> 00:37:15.290 Sean Harklerode: into Chicago. 492 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:17.529 Mark Pracht: Like, and the thing… 493 00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:20.540 Sean Harklerode: They were old, but I was… that was what I thought. 494 00:37:21.410 --> 00:37:28.820 Mark Pracht: Yeah, I mean, like, and I don't… I… God, I… oh, I do not want to get into this, but, you know, like, I don't… I don't mind… 495 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.739 Mark Pracht: putting Hal into a darker light. 496 00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:40.759 Mark Pracht: I also think that people who tried to claim that he was one of the villains of the show are, like, nuts, but that's a different thing altogether. 497 00:37:40.910 --> 00:37:43.220 Mark Pracht: But the other thing is, is like. 498 00:37:43.680 --> 00:37:50.890 Mark Pracht: when you read Emerald Twilight or Emerald Dawn or whatever, like, Hal loses it because… 499 00:37:51.390 --> 00:37:55.950 Mark Pracht: His home city, and everyone he knows, is killed. 500 00:37:56.490 --> 00:38:03.079 Mark Pracht: Right? It's not because, oh, the lanterns want you to train somebody to be your replacement. 501 00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:07.360 Mark Pracht: which I felt was… weak sauce. 502 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:08.290 Mark Pracht: you know. 503 00:38:10.620 --> 00:38:13.489 Mark Pracht: That's… that's where I felt like they did Hal Drew. 504 00:38:13.490 --> 00:38:27.830 Sean Harklerode: You know, the Owens, you know, their total, you know, middle management. Like, no, no, we're not… we just want you to show us everything you do as… we're not replacing you, Hal. I just need. 505 00:38:27.830 --> 00:38:28.490 Mark Pracht: What exactly… 506 00:38:28.490 --> 00:38:34.320 Sean Harklerode: beyond everything you do, just… just in case you… you should… anything should happen someday. 507 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.590 Mark Pracht: What… what exactly is it? 508 00:38:36.930 --> 00:38:38.850 Mark Pracht: Bet you do here. 509 00:38:39.020 --> 00:38:40.680 Sean Harklerode: Hey, rest in peace! 510 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:41.870 Sean Harklerode: Is it real. 511 00:38:41.870 --> 00:38:43.180 Dan Newland: Yep. 512 00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:46.019 Sean Harklerode: I have people skills! 513 00:38:49.010 --> 00:38:59.780 Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, you know, again, I can go off on other things, like, I think that… I think that the… the Justice League cartoon sort of… 514 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.319 Mark Pracht: changed the Jon Stewart character dramatically. 515 00:39:06.540 --> 00:39:08.099 Mark Pracht: From what it was. 516 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:24.240 Mark Pracht: into this whole military thing, right? There was always the military thing, but it wasn't the overriding element of the character until that cartoon. And… which is fine. Like, there's nothing wrong with any of this, but it is… it is interesting, like. 517 00:39:24.690 --> 00:39:27.399 Mark Pracht: I would like to see more of the… 518 00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:39.819 Mark Pracht: the architect, right? That… I felt like in the 70s, whenever we saw Jon Stewart, it was… he was this sort of fairly erudite, architect. You know, he was a builder. 519 00:39:40.410 --> 00:39:46.220 Mark Pracht: And there's elements of that, but so much of it is… 520 00:39:47.870 --> 00:39:59.499 Mark Pracht: I mean, and I can go into that show. I can go into that show for hours. Like, I think… I think one of the more interesting things, there was… there was the great episode where Hal buried his father, right? 521 00:39:59.530 --> 00:40:08.149 Mark Pracht: And I was like, oh, here's an interesting thing. John learned how to kill people, and Hal learned how to bury people. 522 00:40:09.310 --> 00:40:12.580 Mark Pracht: You know? And I'm like… Interesting. 523 00:40:13.520 --> 00:40:14.490 Mark Pracht: Interesting. 524 00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:16.110 Mark Pracht: Anyway. 525 00:40:16.110 --> 00:40:18.100 Dan Newland: There you go. 526 00:40:18.100 --> 00:40:19.570 Mark Pracht: Tables. 527 00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:19.950 Sean Harklerode: Excellent. 528 00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:20.990 Dan Newland: Judge. 529 00:40:24.260 --> 00:40:35.349 Dan Newland: Part of the problem discussing all of these like this is there's so many different stories and so many different plots, it's really hard to even find what the through line I'd want to talk about is, you know? 530 00:40:35.350 --> 00:40:36.559 Tad Eggleston: I was about to… 531 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:45.349 Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about to toss out another idea. One of the things that I appreciated beyond the ensemble building out is in these five issues. 532 00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:47.910 Tad Eggleston: We really had… 533 00:40:48.180 --> 00:40:59.260 Tad Eggleston: 4 separate stories, with only a little bit of tying them together, tying them together, and you could almost read them as 5 separate stories. 534

00:40:59.380 --> 00:41:07.120 Tad Eggleston: And I appreciate that, because I think that the… Mark, you're making faces. 535 00:41:07.520 --> 00:41:10.890 Mark Pracht: Oh, no, I'm not making faces, I was licking some coffee off the corner of my mouth. 536 00:41:10.890 --> 00:41:13.369 Tad Eggleston: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. 537 00:41:14.130 --> 00:41:27.270 Tad Eggleston: I really appreciate that, because I'm a big believer in trying to write comics, particularly extended series, in such a way that any issue is a launching point. 538 00:41:27.410 --> 00:41:38.920 Tad Eggleston: And I think that Grel is accomplishing that so far, for the most part. I mean, the origin story being, like, the only exception, where you kind of needed to read it all together. 539 00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:46.450 Tad Eggleston: Everything else pretty much works on its own, even that two-issue… 540 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:52.500 Tad Eggleston: story was really two different stories. You know, the first was solving the… 541 00:41:52.670 --> 00:41:58.680 Tad Eggleston: the… the money thing, and then it was like, oh, what's this? And you had an. 542 00:41:58.680 --> 00:42:02.840 Mark Pracht: Oh, it's a… oh, this guy's a Bond villain! Yay! 543 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:03.260 Tad Eggleston: Right. 544 00:42:03.260 --> 00:42:08.279 Mark Pracht: Complete with the… complete with the costumes and the underground lair. I mean, like… 545 00:42:08.560 --> 00:42:20.059 Mark Pracht: Like, yeah, like, it's… the one thing I can say about… I think you're 100% right, and it's no wonder that Hollywood looked at this and immediately said, TV series? 546 00:42:20.690 --> 00:42:21.530 Mark Pracht: Right? 547 00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:27.410 Mark Pracht: Because once you get past that origin, like, the way this book is set up, it is basically, like… 548 00:42:27.810 --> 00:42:36.420 Mark Pracht: episodic, episodic, episodic, episodic, and the nature of his… the nature of what he does is so… 549 00:42:37.830 --> 00:42:41.149 Mark Pracht: Okay, here's the next person to hire me. 550 00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:52.450 Mark Pracht: But yeah, I… like, look, I have never been more joyous Then, that… moment. 551 00:42:52.600 --> 00:42:59.519 Mark Pracht: when we went from Issue 8 to issue 9, And when the… the colonel… 552 00:42:59.950 --> 00:43:03.959 Mark Pracht: Walked in and said he was the general now, and he was wearing his fucking… 553 00:43:04.080 --> 00:43:10.920 Mark Pracht: Bond villain outfit, and I was like, This is… Incredible. 554 00:43:11.560 --> 00:43:19.210 Mark Pracht: This is the most joyous thing that I have ever had happen reading a comic book in a long time. 555 00:43:19.490 --> 00:43:21.950 Mark Pracht: Because, like, it really was… 556 00:43:22.210 --> 00:43:34.590 Mark Pracht: I give a fuck. I don't give a… rules? Fuck that. There's no rules. This is John Sable. John Sable can do anything that I say he wants to do. It's… it's like John D.F. Black, talking about Star Trek. 557 00:43:37.060 --> 00:43:45.149 Mark Pracht: my… is one of my favorite quotes, where they were taught… somebody was talking to him about something being out of character for Captain Kirk, and he was like, we never talked about that. 558 00:43:45.260 --> 00:43:48.089 Mark Pracht: Captain Kirk would do anything that got us a story. 559 00:43:48.450 --> 00:43:49.260 Mark Pracht: Right? 560 00:43:49.630 --> 00:43:57.989 Mark Pracht: So… Right, like, you can look at Obsession, the Star Trek episode, and Kirk's pretty much unhinged during that. 561 00:43:58.220 --> 00:44:06.830 Mark Pracht: And it's like, there's a lot of people who'd be like, well, that's not… that's not in character for Captain Kirk. It's like, absolutely it's in character, because it got us a story, right? And… 562 00:44:07.780 --> 00:44:14.190 Mark Pracht: And this isn't quite like that, because John is pretty, pretty… pretty st… Set. 563 00:44:15.600 --> 00:44:18.119 Mark Pracht: But it's just like, okay, I can do anything I want. 564 00:44:18.710 --> 00:44:19.999 Mark Pracht: Ed, yeah, anyway. 565 00:44:20.600 --> 00:44:26.180 Mark Pracht: But yeah, you're right. Like, even… even the character epist… issue, issue 10, 566 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:32.109 Mark Pracht: Like, it starts out, like, everything is explained, and explained very concisely. 567 00:44:33.860 --> 00:44:44.669 Dan Newland: What I loved about these, I think, you know, looking at the fact, I would have been, what, 14, 15 years old when these came out? And they really are essentially a scaffolding 568 00:44:45.110 --> 00:44:47.520 Dan Newland: around which Grel puts 569 00:44:47.630 --> 00:44:57.660 Dan Newland: Gunfights and beautiful women in various states of undress. And that's… that's… it is the bond formula, basically, right? But I mean, there's, like, the, 570 00:44:57.810 --> 00:45:06.819 Dan Newland: the sort of splash page to issue number 9, where he's got sort of, you know, he comes through the window and surprises the one agent in. 571 00:45:06.820 --> 00:45:08.240 Sean Harklerode: Yeah, yeah. 572 00:45:08.240 --> 00:45:15.150 Dan Newland: He's absolutely doing cheesecake, but then also doing real story around it. And it was… 573 00:45:15.850 --> 00:45:27.350 Dan Newland: Yeah, when you were reading these as a kid, they were… they're absolutely fantastic for that sort of adolescent age group, because they write up for it, but it's still… 574 00:45:27.650 --> 00:45:30.720 Dan Newland: Exactly what you're looking for when you're a kid, you know? 575 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:32.350 Sean Harklerode: Yeah. Look. 576 00:45:32.350 --> 00:45:32.880 Mark Pracht: Even that. 577 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.639 Sean Harklerode: The Milton Kniff. It was the tear in the Formula 2, right? Absolutely. 578 00:45:37.640 --> 00:45:38.380 Mark Pracht: Yeah, yeah. 579 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:50.910 Mark Pracht: Well, and if… I mean, if I remember correctly, it's been a long time since I read the

Bond novels, but it seemed to me that there… at the beginning of each Bond novel, there was something that sort of tied back to the last one. 580 00:45:51.290 --> 00:45:57.020 Mark Pracht: But didn't really, you know? In many, I always… Yeah. Give you some context. 581 00:45:57.020 --> 00:45:59.519 Sean Harklerode: Tiffany Case is still living with 582 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.310 Sean Harklerode: James Bond at the beginning of Goldfinger, I think. 583 00:46:03.310 --> 00:46:03.880 Mark Pracht: Right. 584 00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:04.520 Sean Harklerode: Right? 585 00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:11.580 Mark Pracht: Yeah, and well, I mean, I… the one that I always remember is at the beginning of Dr. No, which actually comes after, 586 00:46:11.720 --> 00:46:14.899 Mark Pracht: from Rush With Love, he's recuperating. 587 00:46:15.450 --> 00:46:19.950 Mark Pracht: from… The attack at the end that almost kills him. 588 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:30.860 Mark Pracht: Like, at the end of From Russian With Love, it seems like he's dead, and then he comes in from, you know, Dr. No, and M is like, have you recuperated? Bomb? 589 00:46:31.050 --> 00:46:33.620 Mark Pracht: And he's like, of course I have. 590 00:46:36.170 --> 00:46:41.620 Mark Pracht: And they give him the new gun. They give him the Walter PPK at the beginning of Dr. No. Anyway… 591 00:46:45.500 --> 00:46:57.349 Mark Pracht: But yeah, no, I think that, I think that you're absolutely right. I mean, like, it… it is… it is… it is 100%, like, boy's own adventure, right? It is… 592 00:46:58.130 --> 00:47:03.719 Mark Pracht: You know… How many pretty girls can we put in it? How many… 593 00:47:05.100 --> 00:47:11.189 Mark Pracht: How many, you know, fistfights, how many… how many cool guns, how many… you know, and… 594 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:17.969 Mark Pracht: it's exactly what we were all into in the 80s, man. You know, there's a reason that 595 00:47:19.410 --> 00:47:23.390 Mark Pracht: You know, Rambo was popular, right? 596 00:47:23.730 --> 00:47:33.719 Mark Pracht: Even if we take the whole political aspect out of it, it was like it was this guy with a certain set of skills that had a really fucking cool knife and could kick everybody's ass, right? 597 00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:34.890 Mark Pracht: And… 598 00:47:35.370 --> 00:47:42.650 Mark Pracht: And especially when you talk about, like, First Blood, you know, it's like, they push him. They push him, they push him, they push him, until… 599 00:47:43.780 --> 00:47:54.720 Mark Pracht: something snaps, right? And, you know, I think that movie's a masterpiece. So, 600 00:47:56.250 --> 00:48:09.410 Dan Newland: I read something about that that, essentially they went through and removed most of the dialogue, and the movie kept getting better and better the more dialogue they took out, and eventually you're left with what's left, and it's pretty fantastic. 601 00:48:09.580 --> 00:48:15.689 Mark Pracht: Well, and Stallone… Stallone, of course, claims credit for that, whether that's true or not, but, you know, he also… 602 00:48:16.200 --> 00:48:22.890 Mark Pracht: And I do believe that he wrote the monologue at the end, because he is a good writer. 603 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:30.819 Mark Pracht: but that… to leave it all to that sort of vomiting of emotion. 604 00:48:30.940 --> 00:48:31.880 Mark Pracht: And… 605 00:48:33.270 --> 00:48:39.769 Mark Pracht: And you know what? Like, we can apply that to John Sable. You know, we talk about that issue 10. 606 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:47.840 Mark Pracht: That idea that he's… he's troubled, he's troubled by this B.B. Flem thing, he's troubled that he has to go and do this interview. 607 00:48:48.260 --> 00:48:51.519 Mark Pracht: And what does he do? He goes out into the night, jogging. 608 00:48:52.200 --> 00:48:53.970 Mark Pracht: Just to get into a fight. 609 00:48:55.290 --> 00:49:02.950 Mark Pracht: And he finds the exact people that he knows, are, deserving of a beatdown. 610 00:49:04.090 --> 00:49:07.080 Mark Pracht: And he just fucking does it, right? 611 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:15.029 Mark Pracht: And it's… I… that kind of… it's… it's… It's a masochistic thing. 612 00:49:16.370 --> 00:49:21.020 Mark Pracht: there is a masochism that runs through John Sable in 613 00:49:21.680 --> 00:49:24.860 Mark Pracht: But he seems like… I think he wants to be… 614 00:49:25.270 --> 00:49:31.519 Mark Pracht: Wow, okay, alright, alright, sorry, sorry, actor, actor brain kicking in. So, 615 00:49:32.490 --> 00:49:35.620 Mark Pracht: There is this masochism. He wants to be punished. 616 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.529 Mark Pracht: Because he failed his family. Like, that's part of it, right? 617 00:49:40.170 --> 00:49:41.510 Mark Pracht: And then… 618 00:49:42.890 --> 00:49:45.269 Dan Newland: I think he has a death wish, when… at the beginning. 619 00:49:45.690 --> 00:49:48.990 Dan Newland: At the beginning of the story, at least. Beginning of the first, the first few books. 620 00:49:48.990 --> 00:49:53.190 Mark Pracht: I think… I think there's… there's a death wish, and there's a masochism about it. 621 00:49:53.850 --> 00:50:01.840 Mark Pracht: But I think that that issue 10 is about him starting to find a light. 622 00:50:02.290 --> 00:50:08.640 Mark Pracht: And that, maybe, B.B. Flem is part of that life. 623 00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:10.800 Mark Pracht: Or that light, you know? 624 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:20.860 Mark Pracht: That… that the connections that he can build with people are… are worth… fostering. 625 00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:28.860 Mark Pracht: And, and I do think… I think… I think, Tad, you're right. Maybe… maybe I… I… 626 00:50:29.070 --> 00:50:35.080 Mark Pracht: I'm terrible with character names. The detective, whatever his name is. Maybe he does know. 627 00:50:35.750 --> 00:50:36.130 Tad Eggleston: Yeah. 628 00:50:36.470 --> 00:50:37.129 Mark Pracht: I mean, does it. 629 00:50:37.130 --> 00:50:37.560 Tad

Eggleston: I don't know. 630 00:50:37.560 --> 00:50:38.630 Mark Pracht: seem incompetent. 631 00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:42.020 Mark Pracht: It's sort of the Batman, Bruce Wayne, Jim Gordon. 632 00:50:42.020 --> 00:50:45.859 Tad Eggleston: Well, and… and, like, also, like… 633 00:50:47.960 --> 00:51:05.779 Tad Eggleston: It's got kind of that early Jim Gordon Batman feel, where he doesn't entirely like John Sable, but he hasn't really decided that he entirely dislikes him either. 634 00:51:06.570 --> 00:51:07.170 Mark Pracht: Right. 635 00:51:07.930 --> 00:51:16.759 Tad Eggleston: You know, he… he… what he… what he seems to like least is the fact that there's any need whatsoever for a John Sable. 636 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.199 Mark Pracht: Well, and then John Lee's bodies. 637 00:51:20.600 --> 00:51:24.500 Mark Pracht: John, we've stead bodies all over the city. 638 00:51:24.500 --> 00:51:35.660 Tad Eggleston: Well, but I think… I honestly think that he's kinda, like, that bothers him less than the fact that there's a part of him that… that… 639 00:51:38.590 --> 00:51:46.210 Tad Eggleston: doesn't… Doesn't like that he approves of the… outcome. 640 00:51:47.750 --> 00:51:53.490 Tad Eggleston: You know, that he's actually willing to trade the dead body for whatever was gained. 641 00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:59.740 Tad Eggleston: That there's a part of him that feels like he and his other officers are… are shackled. 642 00:52:00.770 --> 00:52:08.210 Tad Eggleston: You know… You know, he had a line about you wouldn't make it One day with our rules. 643 00:52:09.550 --> 00:52:10.160 Mark Pracht: Right. 644 00:52:10.530 --> 00:52:14.970 Tad Eggleston: And, like, to me, that red is half… like… 645 00:52:18.560 --> 00:52:32.960 Tad Eggleston: I'm frust… you know, I'm hoping, hoping that if this character is fleshed out, it's fleshed out much more in a Matt Murdock way, where he DOES believe in the rules, even though he… 646 00:52:33.180 --> 00:52:38.289 Tad Eggleston: struggles against breaking them or allowing Sable to break them. 647 00:52:38.610 --> 00:52:42.869 Tad Eggleston: Rather than, like, going in some, oh, well. 648 00:52:43.130 --> 00:52:58.279 Tad Eggleston: let's say the bad days of Punisher, where… or the way that too many people who've never read Punisher think of Punisher, you know, as, hey, the cops can't get it done, let's just shoot people. 649 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:07.499 Tad Eggleston: Like, he wants to live in a world where he doesn't feel like a John Sable is necessary, but he's not certain that he does. 650 00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:12.130 Mark Pracht: I mean… Like, I think that… 651 00:53:15.610 --> 00:53:23.280 Mark Pracht: you are dealing with a serialized storytelling medium, right? When we're talking about comics, right? Which means that there is sort of a, 652 00:53:25.850 --> 00:53:33.910 Mark Pracht: lack of… forward momentum in characters, right? That things gotta come back, sort of, to… 653 00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:40.979 Mark Pracht: That most of the time, things are gonna come back to a status quo, And, I mean, I… 654 00:53:44.210 --> 00:53:47.990 Mark Pracht: I don't know. I mean, like, I think that… I think that… 655 00:53:49.880 --> 00:54:07.509 Mark Pracht: the Punisher… like, the Punisher's an interesting alo… interesting comparison to make, because, like, it's the same thing when we talk about Mac Bolin, which the Punisher is 100% a rip-off of Mac Molin. 100%. 656 00:54:07.510 --> 00:54:07.960 Tad Eggleston: Right. 657 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:13.029 Mark Pracht: With, you know, it's Mac Bolin with a superhero suit, right? 658 00:54:13.250 --> 00:54:18.840 Mark Pracht: I also think that the Punisher is 100% more interesting when he's a villain. 659 00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:23.570 Mark Pracht: And I think that, 660 00:54:25.200 --> 00:54:30.180 Mark Pracht: The moral implications of that character are really difficult for me. 661 00:54:32.160 --> 00:54:36.030 Dan Newland: It's weird, though, when you talk about that, because John Sable is… 662 00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:39.550 Dan Newland: he's got the Punisher's origin story. 663 00:54:39.660 --> 00:54:45.559 Dan Newland: But what he decides to do is he learns a certain set of skills so he can take targeted vengeance on the people 664 00:54:46.170 --> 00:54:52.499 Dan Newland: killed his family, and then goes, well, now I've got these skills, and I need to make a living, right? 665 00:54:52.830 --> 00:54:57.719 Dan Newland: he doesn't go just full-on, I'm gonna kill everybody who's ever done something wrong. 666 00:54:57.850 --> 00:55:00.730 Dan Newland: Which I think makes him a lot more palatable to me, because I don't really… 667 00:55:00.730 --> 00:55:01.050 Mark Pracht: Sure. 668 00:55:01.050 --> 00:55:02.080 Dan Newland: dig the Punisher. 669 00:55:02.510 --> 00:55:18.419 Mark Pracht: Right. No, no, I think that that's absolutely true. Like, that… I think that there is a reason that Grel has that scene… has that scene in the last book where somebody tries to hire him to kill somebody, and he's like, that is not what I do. 670 00:55:19.150 --> 00:55:26.219 Mark Pracht: It is what I do in pretty much every issue, but it's not… you can't hire me to do it. You can hire me to 671 00:55:26.550 --> 00:55:26.950 Mark Pracht: It should be… 672 00:55:26.950 --> 00:55:27.560 Tad Eggleston: To be fair. 673 00:55:27.560 --> 00:55:28.110 Mark Pracht: item. 674 00:55:29.330 --> 00:55:31.859 Tad Eggleston: Both iterations of the Punisher wouldn't do that either. 675 00:55:33.060 --> 00:55:33.640 Sean Harklerode: Well, yeah. 676 00:55:33.640 --> 00:55:34.680 Mark Pracht: Yeah, no, but… 677 00:55:35.430 --> 00:55:35.900 Sean Harklerode: in the world. 678 00:55:35.900 --> 00:55:36.440 Mark Pracht: Furnishers. 679 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:37.480 Sean Harklerode: Jim Rockford. 680 00:55:38.810 --> 00:55:41.619 Sean Harklerode: Is there anything you won't do for money, Mr.

Rock? 681 00:55:42.330 --> 00:55:44.980 Sean Harklerode: Well… I won't kill for it. 682 00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:46.760 Sean Harklerode: And I won't marry for it. 683 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.179 Sean Harklerode: But otherwise, I'm pretty much open. 684 00:55:52.190 --> 00:55:58.329 Mark Pracht: I do… it's funny, because what Dan just said about… about Sable having a death wish… 685 00:55:59.540 --> 00:56:03.620 Mark Pracht: I happen to have… 686 00:56:04.690 --> 00:56:07.810 Mark Pracht: this page, it's… it's Issue 10. 687 00:56:09.430 --> 00:56:14.459 Mark Pracht: And it's right after he leaves Mike and Gray. 688 00:56:14.890 --> 00:56:16.640 Mark Pracht: And he goes back to his house. 689 00:56:17.240 --> 00:56:21.310 Mark Pracht: And it's right before he goes out for his run, Right? 690 00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:30.540 Mark Pracht: And the panel is… it's him in his apartment, his house, whatever it is. And, you know, it's… Today. 691 00:56:30.770 --> 00:56:35.279 Mark Pracht: Today, 7 AM, it's the calendar, Tim looking out the window. 692 00:56:35.590 --> 00:56:39.869 Mark Pracht: And then it says, live, live, live. 693 00:56:40.410 --> 00:56:44.150 Mark Pracht: Because it's a live show, right? But it's also… 694 00:56:44.740 --> 00:56:47.999 Mark Pracht: You can also read it as live, live, live. 695 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:53.979 Mark Pracht: And he's sitting on the edge of the bed, contemplating, right? And then he vomits. 696 00:56:54.980 --> 00:56:55.940 Mark Pracht: Right? 697 00:56:56.390 --> 00:57:03.189 Mark Pracht: like, I… and then he looks in the mirror, and it's B.B. Flynn looking back at him, right? And… 698 00:57:07.190 --> 00:57:12.870 Mark Pracht: Like, what a great page, because exactly what Dan was talking about, is, like, he does have a death wish. 699 00:57:13.020 --> 00:57:13.810 Mark Pracht: Right? 700 00:57:13.980 --> 00:57:17.539 Mark Pracht: Like, I think that that's pretty clear, that he would rather, like… 701 00:57:17.540 --> 00:57:18.130 Dan Newland: I would agree. 702 00:57:18.130 --> 00:57:25.719 Mark Pracht: Part of this is that he… he has this particular set of skills, and he needs to make money, because he needs to, you know, whatever. But, 703 00:57:25.860 --> 00:57:30.029 Mark Pracht: But he's also completely comfortable with the idea that he could get killed doing this. 704 00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:31.900 Mark Pracht: And it… 705 00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:37.589 Mark Pracht: Really, it would probably be better for him if he could just be with his family again, right? 706 00:57:38.470 --> 00:57:41.900 Mark Pracht: But, I mean, this whole thing of, like, He's like. 707 00:57:42.190 --> 00:57:45.690 Mark Pracht: I've done pre-recorded interviews, but not live. 708 00:57:47.100 --> 00:57:52.879 Mark Pracht: But it's that live, live, live. Live, live, live. I think that that's really fucking cool. 709 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:57.170 Mark Pracht: Kudos, Mr. Grell. 710 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:00.110 Mark Pracht: Anyway. 711 00:58:00.870 --> 00:58:01.440 Tad Eggleston: Yeah. 712 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.419 Mark Pracht: That's all I have to say. I'm done. 713 00:58:03.750 --> 00:58:04.910 Mark Pracht: I've spent. 714 00:58:04.910 --> 00:58:08.390 Sean Harklerode: I, I also like the fact that, 715 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.869 Sean Harklerode: As we go through this, we're going… 716 00:58:11.620 --> 00:58:13.960 Sean Harklerode: It's kind of taking place month to month. 717 00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:20.440 Sean Harklerode: So we go from Thanksgiving to the final issue, issue 11 in this 718 00:58:20.690 --> 00:58:25.539 Sean Harklerode: cycle is at Christmas. Yep. That… 719 00:58:25.970 --> 00:58:29.510 Sean Harklerode: It just feels like a great cadence. 720 00:58:30.150 --> 00:58:35.359 Sean Harklerode: For a comic to, you know, really reflect that. 721 00:58:35.720 --> 00:58:41.660 Sean Harklerode: That this is how time passes. It's passing the same for him as it is for us. 722 00:58:42.100 --> 00:58:48.770 Sean Harklerode: Which I… I really like that. I mean, obviously, I read it, you know, 15 minutes after I finished the other one, but… 723 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:56.570 Sean Harklerode: When they were originally published. And I, I just, that, that to me is a nice touch, and… 724 00:58:57.490 --> 00:59:01.319 Sean Harklerode: I think that 11th issue is… is really good, and… 725 00:59:01.570 --> 00:59:05.449 Sean Harklerode: Seems to be the start of a whole other storyline. 726 00:59:05.600 --> 00:59:10.360 Sean Harklerode: introducing his basic Catwoman, I would say. 727 00:59:13.680 --> 00:59:15.480 Sean Harklerode: And I see Dan nodding. 728 00:59:16.420 --> 00:59:17.160 Sean Harklerode: Well. 729 00:59:17.160 --> 00:59:21.660 Mark Pracht: I mean, Maggie the Cat became a recurring character, and she had her own series for a while. 730 00:59:21.660 --> 00:59:22.330 Dan Newland: There's… 731 00:59:22.600 --> 00:59:31.229 Dan Newland: Stuff that I, by the way, am just now tracking down, because I had left John Sable behind and thought he was done. And then there's actually books… 732 00:59:31.680 --> 00:59:36.599 Dan Newland: in the 90s and 2000s, I think, even, that I did not even know existed, so… 733 00:59:36.600 --> 00:59:39.910 Mark Pracht: Yeah, they… I know they rebranded, 734 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:44.270 Mark Pracht: they rebranded the series after the TV show started. 735 00:59:44.640 --> 00:59:48.790 Mark Pracht: So instead of John Sable Freelance, it was just Sable, which was the name of the show. 736 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:54.039 Mark Pracht: And they… the… the… the logo was the same as the show. 737 00:59:55.100 --> 00:59:56.180 Mark Pracht: And… 738 00:59:57.130 --> 01:00:03.440 Mark Pracht: I think that that was… that was considered a new series, I think it had stopped for a while. And then… 739 01:00:03.890 --> 01:00:11.820 Mark Pracht: I know after… Comics Mix started doing the

reprints. 740 01:00:12.500 --> 01:00:17.390 Mark Pracht: he did another series, because I have that series someplace. 741 01:00:18.100 --> 01:00:23.250 Mark Pracht: it was, like, Blood Hunt or something like that, and 742 01:00:24.870 --> 01:00:30.619 Mark Pracht: Because, yeah, because the… the… the 90s series, it does the… the face… 743 01:00:30.810 --> 01:00:36.270 Mark Pracht: the face mask is the one from the TV show, which is sort of like a tiger stripe thing. 744 01:00:36.810 --> 01:00:42.100 Mark Pracht: That's… that's sort of where I started. 745 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:49.939 Mark Pracht: Because I… I actually… I dug the show a little bit, and then I read the book, and I was like, this is so much better than a stupid show. 746 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.110 Mark Pracht: even the show had Renee Russo, so, 747 01:00:56.330 --> 01:01:00.200 Tad Eggleston: I still need to watch the show. I found it on YouTube. It is on YouTube. 748 01:01:00.590 --> 01:01:01.190 Mark Pracht: Yeah. 749 01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:02.450 Tad Eggleston: They haven't watched it yet. 750 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:11.130 Mark Pracht: just… just think of how much worse it would… if you watch that show, just think of how much worse it would have been if Gene Simmons had played John Sable. 751 01:01:14.730 --> 01:01:18.720 Mark Pracht: I mean, like, the real sin of that show is it tries to turn him into a superhero. 752 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.249 Mark Pracht: Right? Into… into a full-on superhero. 753 01:01:23.190 --> 01:01:36.370 Mark Pracht: But, yeah, I think, no, I… I really… I think… 754 01:01:36.730 --> 01:01:42.930 Mark Pracht: Yeah, the 11th issue is really great, too. Like, we haven't really even talked about Maggie the Cat. 755 01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:47.540 Mark Pracht: just, like… 756 01:01:47.790 --> 01:01:58.550 Mark Pracht: it's… it's… it's like a classic heist story, in that it really does, you know, it, like, goes through, this is how we're gonna do it. And John is almost… John almost becomes like a, 757 01:02:01.020 --> 01:02:06.320 Mark Pracht: A witness to what's going on, rather than actually being involved with it, you know? 758 01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.080 Mark Pracht: And, 759 01:02:09.450 --> 01:02:16.270 Mark Pracht: But yeah, it… like I said, it feels… that… that story feels to me like Charade, or one of those Cary Grant kind of things. 760 01:02:18.130 --> 01:02:21.380 Mark Pracht: I mean, and that's what… 761 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:33.159 Mark Pracht: like, that's really what you're gonna… like, what I love about this group of five issues, is it really… like, it's just like what I said at the beginning, like, it is sort of like everything… 762 01:02:34.030 --> 01:02:34.820 Mark Pracht: bed. 763 01:02:36.020 --> 01:02:38.690 Mark Pracht: Mike Grell loves is right there. 764 01:02:39.120 --> 01:02:43.200 Mark Pracht: And to what Sean said about it being sort of real-time. 765 01:02:44.610 --> 01:02:47.630 Mark Pracht: That makes me think of Grel's Green Arrow. 766 01:02:48.310 --> 01:02:50.080 Mark Pracht: Which also was real-time. 767 01:02:51.860 --> 01:02:57.039 Mark Pracht: Because I remember, like, when he started that series, when they did Longbow Hunters. 768 01:02:57.550 --> 01:03:03.460 Mark Pracht: I remember it was this big fucking deal, because he was like, I want Oliver Queen to be 44. 769 01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:08.890 Mark Pracht: And everybody was like, no, no, no, no, this… the characters are always in their mid-30s. 770 01:03:09.180 --> 01:03:11.860 Mark Pracht: And he's like, that makes no fucking sense. 771 01:03:12.890 --> 01:03:16.790 Mark Pracht: And then… but then, every year of that series. 772 01:03:17.570 --> 01:03:23.439 Mark Pracht: He would have a birthday, and they would do the birthday, and he would be 45, and he'd be 46, and they'd be 47. 773 01:03:24.010 --> 01:03:24.710 Mark Pracht: And I'm… 774 01:03:24.710 --> 01:03:26.230 Sean Harklerode: That was a great series. 775 01:03:26.530 --> 01:03:27.719 Mark Pracht: Oh, that's a great series. 776 01:03:28.770 --> 01:03:31.189 Sean Harklerode: I need to read Longbow Hunters again. 777 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:31.730 Mark Pracht: Yeah. 778 01:03:31.730 --> 01:03:32.620 Tad Eggleston: It is. 779 01:03:34.060 --> 01:03:37.310 Mark Pracht: You know, and the thing, I… you know, one of the other things is, like, 780 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:40.469 Mark Pracht: Dan said it earlier. 781 01:03:40.600 --> 01:03:48.440 Mark Pracht: No, this series does not pass the Bechtel test by any stretch of the imagination, but I also think that even what 782 01:03:48.590 --> 01:03:52.709 Mark Pracht: you know, even Ms. Bechtel has said that. It's like… 783 01:03:53.870 --> 01:03:59.470 Mark Pracht: This is a way to look at stories in a feminist perspective. That does not mean it's good or bad. 784 01:03:59.470 --> 01:04:00.110 Tad Eggleston: Right. 785 01:04:00.110 --> 01:04:03.750 Mark Pracht: Right. It's just whether or not it… 786 01:04:04.010 --> 01:04:11.229 Mark Pracht: serves female characters, and there are stories that don't particularly serve female characters, and that's… 787 01:04:11.830 --> 01:04:13.910 Mark Pracht: There's nothing wrong with that. 788 01:04:14.640 --> 01:04:22.800 Mark Pracht: As long as there are characters, there are stories that serve female characters. And, I think… 789 01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:24.430 Mark Pracht: I don't think that… 790 01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:32.209 Mark Pracht: I don't think that Grell is dismissive of his female characters, and certainly Maggie the Cat is a very proactive character. 791 01:04:32.330 --> 01:04:33.819 Mark Pracht: that, 792 01:04:36.220 --> 01:04:36.909 Dan Newland: I would not have known. 793 01:04:36.910 --> 01:04:37.660 Mark Pracht: I have a rear. 794 01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:49.500 Mark Pracht: I never realized that… that part of her origin was that she was… she was done wrong by her husband, which was… I was

a little disappointed in that, but I… you know… 795 01:04:50.500 --> 01:04:52.430 Dan Newland: I was not saying that… 796 01:04:52.620 --> 01:05:02.050 Dan Newland: by the whole Bechtel test so much that he didn't write good women characters as that the women characters didn't have good roles. It is simply a matter of that, especially in the first few issues. 797 01:05:02.270 --> 01:05:15.050 Dan Newland: everything they do is talking about John Sable, which I guess makes some sense. She's the editor, he's the artist, but they're constantly… it's almost like another way that… because they both read his book. 798 01:05:15.410 --> 01:05:33.600 Dan Newland: It's a way he can almost do the… that exploration of, sort of, what would be just a bunch of exposition, if… if, you know, essentially Sable himself did it. But it's like you've got these other two characters who've read the exposition, and now they're having a conversation about it instead. You know, we talk about. 799 01:05:33.600 --> 01:05:34.399 Mark Pracht: Well, and they can… 800 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:38.009 Dan Newland: That's really the thing. This is all conversation. The whole book, all of them. 801 01:05:38.010 --> 01:05:42.419 Mark Pracht: They can have the conversation that the audience wants to have about what they've read. 802 01:05:42.810 --> 01:05:43.360 Dan Newland: Nope. 803 01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:46.829 Mark Pracht: it's sort of like… it's sort of like the Dr. Watson thing, right? 804 01:05:47.030 --> 01:05:52.580 Mark Pracht: That they're there to ask the questions, or to say the things that the audience wants to say. 805 01:05:52.820 --> 01:05:57.900 Mark Pracht: And to have that conversation, and John doesn't have to talk about his feelings. 806 01:05:58.220 --> 01:06:00.830 Mark Pracht: Because John doesn't talk about his feelings. 807 01:06:02.200 --> 01:06:02.960 Mark Pracht: You know. 808 01:06:03.980 --> 01:06:06.040 Mark Pracht: Which is… Awesome. 809 01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:20.700 Mark Pracht: But I… and… and look, I'm not… I'm not saying that you're saying… like, and I want to be clear, it's just when you brought that up, I was… it made me think that. It's… I didn't think you were saying that the book was bad because it doesn't pass the Bechtel test. It's… it's just that… 810 01:06:20.700 --> 01:06:21.300 Dan Newland: But, yeah. 811 01:06:21.300 --> 01:06:22.789 Mark Pracht: It… it doesn't. 812 01:06:23.220 --> 01:06:28.639 Mark Pracht: But I think that… I actually do think that the character… the female characters are pretty well written. 813 01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:49.280 Dan Newland: Fantastically. Really, all the characters are pretty well written. Even some of the villains have better reasons for what they're doing, at least, for the most part. Not all, you do have some of just the Bond supervillain stuff going on, but a lot of his bad guys have significant reasons why they're a bad guy, which I do like. 814 01:06:50.840 --> 01:07:02.209 Mark

Pracht: I mean, and I think… I think that sometimes, you know, he does get bogged down in sort of minutiae of shit. It's like, okay, this is why the nuclear bomb won't go off. I'm like, okay, alright. 815 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:05.690 Mark Pracht: Alright, okay. 816 01:07:06.140 --> 01:07:15.709 Mark Pracht: do we care? Like, knowing… like, if it was a Bond movie, you wouldn't spend 10 minutes going, like, well, this is why the bomb won't go off when we blow it up. You know, it's like… 817 01:07:16.620 --> 01:07:19.959 Mark Pracht: just say it's not armed yet. I mean, like, whatever, but anyway. 818 01:07:20.770 --> 01:07:30.880 Mark Pracht: I don't know, Ed, I… I, I, that's, that's one of my… Yeah. 819 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:31.610 Dan Newland: Oakland. 820 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:32.350 Mark Pracht: Go ahead. 821 01:07:32.720 --> 01:07:35.099 Dan Newland: I was gonna say, Tad had talked about the, 822 01:07:35.490 --> 01:07:38.440 Dan Newland: Tad had talked about the detective? 823 01:07:38.650 --> 01:07:45.570 Dan Newland: And one of the things that it reminded me of is in the late 70s, Spider-Man had a, a Captain DeWolf. 824 01:07:46.170 --> 01:07:59.890 Dan Newland: Who was sort of this person who was… she didn't really trust him, but on the other hand, he was useful a lot of times, and there was always that suspicion that she sort of knew more about what was going on with the superheroes of New York than she let on. 825 01:07:59.940 --> 01:08:07.419 Dan Newland: And I think that the police detective, or the captain, or whatever in this kind of has a little bit of that DNA. 826 01:08:08.620 --> 01:08:19.320 Dan Newland: But it is not a joke character, and I do like that. Most of his characters, he doesn't suffer fools in this. Most people seem to have decent motivations and be… 827 01:08:19.470 --> 01:08:23.669 Dan Newland: professionals at what they do, you know? And… 828 01:08:23.979 --> 01:08:35.270 Dan Newland: Sable will have problems with some of them or not, but… but they operate in the realm of people who are… are not cardboard cut-ups, who are just morons, who somehow got into a job they shouldn't have been able to get into. 829 01:08:35.830 --> 01:08:49.110 Mark Pracht: Well, you know, and like, I do think that he makes an effort… I mean, like, he definitely makes an effort at diversity at a time when that wasn't necessarily a catchphrase. Like, we have a… we have a dwarf, or a dwar… a little person, sorry. 830 01:08:50.910 --> 01:08:55.260 Mark Pracht: We have, you know, there's the, gray, 831 01:08:56.180 --> 01:09:04.359 Mark Pracht: both. You know, I think… I think it's an interesting choice to have both the artist and the editor be women. 832 01:09:05.660 --> 01:09:12.970 Mark Pracht: For nothing else, it creates sort of a… there's a tension of… 833 01:09:13.750 --> 01:09:20.360 Mark Pracht: I mean, like, it is sort of the, you know, it's the male fantasy of, like, I'm surrounded by beautiful women, and they

all want me. 834 01:09:21.590 --> 01:09:23.080 Mark Pracht: But, 835 01:09:23.550 --> 01:09:28.629 Mark Pracht: But there is a sort of tension of, like, which… which one are you gonna end up with? 836 01:09:29.130 --> 01:09:29.970 Mark Pracht: Right? 837 01:09:30.670 --> 01:09:34.189 Mark Pracht: and… 838 01:09:38.500 --> 01:09:42.509 Mark Pracht: I don't know, I just… I think… I think that… 839 01:09:45.080 --> 01:09:48.130 Mark Pracht: And, you know, I haven't read the whole series, right? 840 01:09:48.380 --> 01:09:58.100 Mark Pracht: and if we continue reading this, which I'm open to, you know, maybe there's going to be a downturn, because, like, you know, right now, we're still in this sort of, like. 841 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.070 Mark Pracht: Mad rush of the first Burst of creativity, right? 842 01:10:04.830 --> 01:10:08.989 Mark Pracht: I mean, we haven't even gotten to the first year of this series yet, you know? 843 01:10:09.420 --> 01:10:10.160 Tad Eggleston: Just barely. 844 01:10:10.930 --> 01:10:13.349 Mark Pracht: bare… well, I mean, the 11, I guess. 845 01:10:13.350 --> 01:10:16.300 Tad Eggleston: If they actually came out monthly, which I haven't checked. 846 01:10:16.750 --> 01:10:17.400 Mark Pracht: Yeah. 847 01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:22.360 Dan Newland: As a… as a voice from the future, that… 848 01:10:22.590 --> 01:10:28.959 Dan Newland: having just re-read the whole damn thing, accidentally, because I didn't realize how bad an idea that was in terms of 849 01:10:29.100 --> 01:10:31.680 Dan Newland: screwing this up for the rest of you. 850 01:10:32.930 --> 01:10:40.939 Dan Newland: I was pretty impressed that the quality remained solid pretty much all the way up into at least the 40s. I don't have. 851 01:10:40.940 --> 01:10:41.590 Tad Eggleston: That's good to know. 852 01:10:41.590 --> 01:10:49.080 Dan Newland: I think it goes to, like, 56. I actually do not have the ones in the 50s. I top out at, like, 48 or 49. 853 01:10:49.250 --> 01:10:50.070 Dan Newland: But… 854 01:10:50.180 --> 01:10:59.759 Dan Newland: They've all been, and in fact, some of my favorite stories come a while later on. There's some really strong stuff into the 30s and 40s. And Grel's still doing it himself. 855 01:10:59.900 --> 01:11:05.160 Dan Newland: which I think is another thing that you don't see a lot of times, is, you know, a lot of these books. 856 01:11:05.330 --> 01:11:19.809 Dan Newland: the creator will start it back then, and then they'll pawn it off. And he did this on a lot of others, like, like Star Slayer. I think he did just the first few issues, and then he wandered onto something else. Even… even Warlord, I only think he… he drew… 857 01:11:20.490 --> 01:11:27.860 Dan Newland: the first 15 or 20 or something like that, and then Juergens or somebody came in and did the drawing, and he kept writing. So the fact. 858 01:11:27.860 --> 01:11:28.529 Mark Pracht: Yeah, and this is… 859 01:11:28.530 --> 01:11:31.059 Dan Newland: Doing all that this long is impressive. 860 01:11:32.200 --> 01:11:37.820 Mark Pracht: Well, I think that, you know, this is… this is post-Warlord, so… 861 01:11:40.480 --> 01:11:43.940 Mark Pracht: You know, he's… he's had that taste of how 862 01:11:45.970 --> 01:11:50.020 Mark Pracht: And, you know, that could be as simple as the fact that he actually owns it. 863 01:11:52.030 --> 01:11:54.249 Mark Pracht: But it's not something that he's… 864 01:11:55.360 --> 01:12:02.190 Mark Pracht: it's not a work for hire, it's not owned by DC. And… 865 01:12:05.360 --> 01:12:07.659 Mark Pracht: I don't know. I mean, like, I think that… 866 01:12:07.950 --> 01:12:14.920 Mark Pracht: because, like, the… the ones that… okay, okay, so there was Star Slayer, That was pretty early. 867 01:12:15.070 --> 01:12:16.580 Mark Pracht: There's Warlord. 868 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:23.879 Mark Pracht: which… they're… I think they're pretty similar. He obviously loves sword fighting. Yes. 869 01:12:24.190 --> 01:12:30.810 Mark Pracht: And then we had Sable, then he goes back to DC to do Green Arrow. 870 01:12:31.990 --> 01:12:33.520 Mark Pracht: And then… 871 01:12:37.470 --> 01:12:43.220 Mark Pracht: Then… then it's Shaman's Tears, which doesn't go very long, if I remember correctly, at Image. 872 01:12:45.660 --> 01:12:46.980 Dan Newland: I've never read that. 873 01:12:47.210 --> 01:12:47.899 Dan Newland: I guess I should… 874 01:12:47.900 --> 01:12:49.650 Mark Pracht: France. I wasn't. It… 875 01:12:51.610 --> 01:13:02.440 Mark Pracht: it… like… like everything, when Image hit, it was like, oh, this is great, and then it was like, okay, you can't maintain a regular schedule to save your life, so I don't… 876 01:13:03.160 --> 01:13:07.850 Mark Pracht: Which is weird to me, because he's been able to do it for so long, right? 877 01:13:07.850 --> 01:13:08.410 Dan Newland: Nope. 878 01:13:09.460 --> 01:13:20.030 Mark Pracht: And because I think… I remember that… I think that was the second wave of image books, and by that point, I was so fed up with the whole thing that I was like, okay. 879 01:13:20.810 --> 01:13:23.259 Mark Pracht: even though I love Grel, and… 880 01:13:23.830 --> 01:13:30.810 Mark Pracht: And I suppose I should also say that there's also… he also does that run on… Legion of Superheroes. 881 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:35.080 Dan Newland: Some of my favorite Legion books back in the Love those. 882 01:13:35.080 --> 01:13:36.160 Mark Pracht: Yeah, with… 883 01:13:36.160 --> 01:13:41.640 Dan Newland: And the James Bond series that he does, I mean, is relevant considering all of the stuff that we're talking here. 884 01:13:42.040 --> 01:13:42.710 Mark Pracht: Right. 885 01:13:43.110 --> 01:13:48.830 Mark Pracht: Although, yeah, and I think that was a series… I think that was after… Green Arrow. 886 01:13:49.140 --> 01:13:53.520 Mark Pracht: And I think that was a ser… I think that was two mini-series, if I

remember correctly. 887 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:54.750 Dan Newland: Something like that, yeah. 888 01:13:54.750 --> 01:13:55.300 Mark Pracht: Yeah. 889 01:13:56.700 --> 01:14:00.799 Mark Pracht: prestige, prestige format. They were square-bound, and… and… 890 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:01.360 Dan Newland: Is that what it was? 891 01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:06.379 Mark Pracht: notes book… I remember those… those books were a big fucking deal when they came out. 892 01:14:10.410 --> 01:14:10.940 Mark Pracht: somebody. 893 01:14:10.940 --> 01:14:15.819 Dan Newland: I loved Warlords. Loved a lot of these, actually. Those were… those were so much fun back in the day. 894 01:14:15.820 --> 01:14:17.609 Mark Pracht: Warlord was such a great book. 895 01:14:18.110 --> 01:14:19.749 Dan Newland: That was awesome stuff. 896 01:14:19.950 --> 01:14:24.100 Mark Pracht: every time they bring that character back, I always have been like, oh, fun. 897 01:14:25.980 --> 01:14:28.020 Mark Pracht: But nobody can do it like Grel did. 898 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:29.790 Dan Newland: They really can't. 899 01:14:29.970 --> 01:14:33.390 Dan Newland: It's never been the same since. So, oh well. 900 01:14:33.930 --> 01:14:34.610 Mark Pracht: Anyway. 901 01:14:35.190 --> 01:14:37.920 Dan Newland: That's why I'm a grumpy old man, who's always angry. 902 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:38.609 Sean Harklerode: Haha, awesome. 903 01:14:38.610 --> 01:14:40.100 Dan Newland: Not the way they used to be. 904 01:14:40.910 --> 01:14:43.749 Mark Pracht: Well, as Sean says, I'm angry about stuff all the time. 905 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:46.719 Sean Harklerode: on the internet. 906 01:14:47.090 --> 01:14:47.760 Mark Pracht: I'm not… 907 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:48.360 Dan Newland: NFTA. 908 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:52.420 Mark Pracht: Listen, I could be a lot angrier on the internet. Most of the time, I'm just like. 909 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.719 Mark Pracht: Mostly, I'm angry about people who are angry on the internet, come on. 910 01:15:03.160 --> 01:15:11.450 Tad Eggleston: Alright, two last questions, because it's about time to wrap up. First, does anybody have a favorite issue from these five? 911 01:15:16.830 --> 01:15:19.900 Mark Pracht: I… it's a real toss-up, I think. 912 01:15:20.260 --> 01:15:29.719 Mark Pracht: the… the sheer laugh-out-loud joy at number 9, when I realized we were going into a full-on 1960s Bond movie. 913 01:15:30.590 --> 01:15:40.140 Mark Pracht: that really made me excited. I think that's also the issue where his battle mask magically appears. 914 01:15:40.410 --> 01:15:50.539 Mark Pracht: Right. While they're on the run, and he's jumped into a river or something. That… that was all just joyous to me. But, man, 10… 915 01:15:51.710 --> 01:15:53.789 Mark Pracht: There's something great about that issue. 916 01:15:53.940 --> 01:16:02.719 Mark Pracht: I, I think… I think that issue is… is really, really, really… So, I mean, like, it's… 917 01:16:03.480 --> 01:16:07.980 Mark Pracht: I'm sort of torn between character and concept. 918 01:16:09.170 --> 01:16:16.500 Mark Pracht: 9 is just the most joyous concept ever, and then 10 is just, like, that really… 919 01:16:16.930 --> 01:16:19.300 Mark Pracht: Breaks the character in a lot of ways. 920 01:16:19.590 --> 01:16:20.730 Mark Pracht: That I love. 921 01:16:21.290 --> 01:16:22.440 Mark Pracht: That's my answer to that question. 922 01:16:22.440 --> 01:16:24.789 Sean Harklerode: I'd say, for me, it's 10. 923 01:16:24.900 --> 01:16:29.170 Sean Harklerode: just… Again, it's so 80s. 924 01:16:29.270 --> 01:16:31.310 Sean Harklerode: And it's a day in the life 925 01:16:31.780 --> 01:16:34.460 Sean Harklerode: And we get to see all the different 926 01:16:34.780 --> 01:16:45.530 Sean Harklerode: facets of him. But I do love the… in… in issue 11, I love that one-page breakaway to Sonny. 927 01:16:45.770 --> 01:16:48.679 Sean Harklerode: Leaving… trying to see his ex-wife. 928 01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:51.669 Sean Harklerode: and… Not being allowed in. 929 01:16:51.850 --> 01:16:54.570 Sean Harklerode: Because I don't know where that's leading. 930 01:16:55.100 --> 01:17:02.319 Sean Harklerode: so, that… I did find that that was… because I felt like I'd missed something there. 931 01:17:02.540 --> 01:17:06.640 Sean Harklerode: when I turn the page, they're like, nope, that's just a one-page… 932 01:17:07.230 --> 01:17:09.169 Sean Harklerode: Intermission here. 933 01:17:09.360 --> 01:17:09.930 Sean Harklerode: So… 934 01:17:09.930 --> 01:17:15.060 Mark Pracht: Well, Sonny's… Sonny's such a great character. Like… just great. 935 01:17:15.700 --> 01:17:16.500 Mark Pracht: Love him. 936 01:17:17.330 --> 01:17:26.030 Dan Newland: Yeah, for me, it's 11. I love the cover to 11. It's one of my favorite covers of all the John Sable books. And the story, too, it's just… 937 01:17:26.250 --> 01:17:30.830 Dan Newland: It is kind of one of those classic heist movie type things, and it's well executed, and… 938 01:17:30.950 --> 01:17:33.540 Dan Newland: It was a gas. But really, all of these are… 939 01:17:33.950 --> 01:17:38.359 Dan Newland: They're all solid stories, they're all a lot of fun, and for different reasons, so… 940 01:17:39.450 --> 01:17:40.470 Sean Harklerode: You, Tad? 941 01:17:40.850 --> 01:17:44.909 Tad Eggleston: I… If I have to pick one, it's 10. 942 01:17:45.740 --> 01:17:50.319 Tad Eggleston: But it's, like, razor close between 10 and 11. 943 01:17:50.990 --> 01:17:56.900 Tad Eggleston: Because the character that I'm hoping to get to know more is the cat. 944 01:17:57.110 --> 01:18:01.799 Tad Eggleston: I'm hoping she becomes… a regular? 945 01:18:01.950 --> 01:18:09.219 Tad Eggleston: I also… I love a good heist caper, so, like, it… 946 01:18:09.980 --> 01:18:18.010 Tad Eggleston: you know, kind of like Mark and it turning into a full-on Bond movie. I've never been a huge Bond movie guy, so… 947

01:18:18.580 --> 01:18:27.039 Tad Eggleston: that did not do things for me, but I was actually more trying to figure out if he had true political motivations, rather than… 948 01:18:27.160 --> 01:18:38.960 Tad Eggleston: Like, are we making commentary on, like, this is the era that's the rise of the militia movement, you know, blah blah blah, then, oh, he's just a Bond villain. 949 01:18:39.170 --> 01:18:42.679 Tad Eggleston: that's just where my head went. 950 01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:55.580 Tad Eggleston: But I love a heist, and, like, my favorite thing about Batman is the Batman-Catwoman relationship, and, like, the duality of… 951 01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:07.660 Tad Eggleston: They're… they like each other and respect each other, and they're not quite at odds with each other, except when they are. 952 01:19:08.400 --> 01:19:11.800 Tad Eggleston: Gotcha. 953 01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:12.170 Mark Pracht: Damn. 954 01:19:12.170 --> 01:19:14.500 Tad Eggleston: attention that I've always liked, but… 955 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:22.519 Mark Pracht: Sam Hamm, I remember when the first Batman movie came out, and he had done the script that 956 01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:26.670 Mark Pracht: Warren Skarin, kind of, brutalized. 957 01:19:28.120 --> 01:19:34.069 Mark Pracht: I was reading an interview with him, and he's like, there's really only 3 Batman character… there's 3 Batman villains that matter. 958 01:19:35.240 --> 01:19:37.689 Mark Pracht: One is the Joker, because it's the opposite. 959 01:19:38.020 --> 01:19:49.390 Mark Pracht: It's chaos as opposed to order. There's Two-Face, because it's the… it's the, it's the… destruction of… 960 01:19:51.180 --> 01:19:57.140 Mark Pracht: who Batman is, right? It's the… it's the, destruction is not quite the… it's the… 961 01:19:57.730 --> 01:20:00.810 Mark Pracht: twisting of it. Oh, it's the… it's the… 962 01:20:01.620 --> 01:20:06.120 Mark Pracht: whatever. It's… it's taking a good man and making him evil, right? 963 01:20:06.540 --> 01:20:07.540 Mark Pracht: breaking him. 964 01:20:08.150 --> 01:20:16.279 Mark Pracht: And then there's Catwoman, who represents all of the women that Bruce Wayne should have had relationships with in a normal, healthy life. 965 01:20:17.400 --> 01:20:24.110 Mark Pracht: Wrapped up in one person that is actually a conflict with With Batman. 966 01:20:24.110 --> 01:20:24.670 Tad Eggleston: man. 967 01:20:24.670 --> 01:20:31.400 Mark Pracht: So, yeah. I mean, like, and I tend to agree with that. I think that those probably are the three Batman villains that 968 01:20:31.820 --> 01:20:40.459 Mark Pracht: if I, you know, like, if I was doing a Batman trilogy, that would be the three villains, right? Yeah. Because that's… those are the important ones. 969 01:20:40.460 --> 01:20:41.929 Sean Harklerode: Nolan beat you to it, man. 970 01:20:42.200 --> 01:20:43.610 Mark Pracht: I know, I know. 971 01:20:43.780 --> 01:20:44.720 Mark Pracht: I know. 972 01:20:44.950 --> 01:20:46.150 Mark Pracht: Bastard? 973 01:20:47.870 --> 01:20:49.159 Sean Harklerode: But he took your idea. 974 01:20:49.860 --> 01:20:50.330 Mark Pracht: That's true. 975 01:20:50.330 --> 01:20:52.180 Tad Eggleston: I do like the Riddler, though. 976 01:20:54.520 --> 01:21:01.860 Tad Eggleston: I think the Riddler… I think the Riddler done well plays into his… his… greatest detective… 977 01:21:02.730 --> 01:21:03.480 Mark Pracht: Sure. 978 01:21:04.170 --> 01:21:11.009 Mark Pracht: But the Riddler is… I… I… somebody said the Riddler is like a… a low-rent version of the Joker. 979 01:21:12.090 --> 01:21:21.219 Tad Eggleston: I mean, I guess my favorite jokers… Have no motivation. 980 01:21:21.360 --> 01:21:28.740 Tad Eggleston: Like, my… the thing that makes the Heath Ledger… Joker. 981 01:21:30.090 --> 01:21:37.260 Tad Eggleston: The only movie joker that has really resonated with me is when he lights all the money on fire. 982 01:21:37.990 --> 01:21:38.550 Mark Pracht: Sure. 983 01:21:38.550 --> 01:21:57.100 Tad Eggleston: You know, one of my favorite Joker turns was in No Man's Land, when he was actually running, like, the part of the city that worked well, because everybody else was becoming degenerates, and he couldn't be like everybody else, so he needed to feed people. You know? 984 01:21:57.300 --> 01:22:06.270 Tad Eggleston: It's like, your only motivation is to be not what… anybody else's. 985 01:22:07.180 --> 01:22:11.930 Tad Eggleston: Whereas the Riddler, to me. 986 01:22:14.460 --> 01:22:18.660 Tad Eggleston: The Riddler, to me, when done well, is Batman's Moriarty. 987 01:22:25.350 --> 01:22:33.870 Tad Eggleston: But he hasn't been done that well. I mean, Tom King's done them that well. I think… I think the recent movie's done them that well. He's started to be done that well. 988 01:22:35.330 --> 01:22:39.390 Tad Eggleston: Overall, but the Joker isn't that kind of criminal. 989 01:22:40.290 --> 01:22:44.780 Tad Eggleston: you know… And the penguin just doesn't feel that smart. 990 01:22:45.050 --> 01:22:57.060 Tad Eggleston: The Penguin is a stand-in if you don't want to have the real-world organized crime of, like, the Falcones or whatnot. You feel like you need to personify it. That's the Penguin. 991 01:22:58.690 --> 01:23:01.209 Mark Pracht: Right? I mean, like, the Penguin… yeah, the Penguin… 992 01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:09.050 Mark Pracht: Has become more interesting when they actually just put him into the, organized crime milieu, right? 993 01:23:09.340 --> 01:23:11.440 Mark Pracht: As opposed to the supervillain. 994 01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:13.380 Mark Pracht: milieu, right? 995 01:23:13.530 --> 01:23:15.009 Mark Pracht: Because I think, 996 01:23:16.030 --> 01:23:27.889 Mark Pracht: that's where… the Iceberg Lounge is the best thing that they ever came up with for Penguin in a long time. I, you know, like, look, Batman has a great rogues gallery, also has a terrible rogues gallery. 997

01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:28.800 Dan Newland: Yeah. 998 01:23:29.260 --> 01:23:41.009 Mark Pracht: Like, there's, like, you know, there's, like, there's, like, things where they're like, well, we don't want to use the Riddlers, so let's make up the Quizmaster, and it's like, okay, alright, what the hell is that? You know, and let's not… 999 01:23:41.010 --> 01:23:43.139 Dan Newland: Teddy and Tweedledum and stuff like this. 1000 01:23:43.140 --> 01:23:51.249 Mark Pracht: Yeah. Well, yeah, Tweedledee and Tweedledum, it's like, why didn't you just use the Mad Hatter? I don't understand, you know, like, 1001 01:23:51.770 --> 01:23:55.010 Mark Pracht: let's not even talk about Crazy Quilt. 1002 01:23:56.570 --> 01:23:58.780 Dan Newland: I think Scarecrow. 1003 01:23:58.780 --> 01:24:00.579 Sean Harklerode: And Scarecrow, yeah, Scarecrow. 1004 01:24:00.580 --> 01:24:07.249 Dan Newland: Crow, I think, is actually, probably the guy, actually, is the number 4 villain, in terms of the best Batman villains. 1005 01:24:07.580 --> 01:24:09.289 Dan Newland: Visibility developers? 1006 01:24:09.950 --> 01:24:10.500 Dan Newland: Huh? 1007 01:24:10.500 --> 01:24:11.390 Mark Pracht: Or the, or the scary one. 1008 01:24:11.390 --> 01:24:13.560 Sean Harklerode: Dan's talking about the scarecrow. 1009 01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:14.350 Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I… I… 1010 01:24:14.350 --> 01:24:14.960 Sean Harklerode: Ventrilically. 1011 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:23.679 Tad Eggleston: I mean, they're both fun villains, but I don't know… I mean, Mark was… Mark was talking about ones that I think that are, like, essential to the character, ones that. 1012 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.509 Mark Pracht: Well, that's psychologically, you know. 1013 01:24:26.510 --> 01:24:26.860 Tad Eggleston: Right. 1014 01:24:26.860 --> 01:24:30.910 Mark Pracht: The thing is, you can make that argument about the… you can make that argument about the scarecrow. 1015 01:24:30.910 --> 01:24:31.290 Dan Newland: Yep. 1016 01:24:31.310 --> 01:24:33.339 Mark Pracht: You can make that argument. 1017 01:24:33.540 --> 01:24:37.570 Mark Pracht: I think that… I don't think you can make that argument. 1018 01:24:38.170 --> 01:24:42.540 Mark Pracht: I think that the ventriloquist and Scarface are… 1019 01:24:42.810 --> 01:24:50.660 Mark Pracht: literally the best Batman villains that have been created in 30 years, right? Right. But… 1020 01:24:50.790 --> 01:24:56.930 Mark Pracht: Yeah, I don't think you can argue that they really… illuminate something about Batman, right? 1021 01:24:57.330 --> 01:25:03.310 Sean Harklerode: Right, but I think there… I mean, who else has been created, you know, in the past 30… 1022 01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:04.540 Sean Harklerode: Here, I mean… 1023 01:25:04.540 --> 01:25:04.989 Mark Pracht: I mean, like. 1024 01:25:04.990 --> 01:25:05.530 Sean Harklerode: Made. 1025 01:25:05.530 --> 01:25:08.690 Mark Pracht: People argue Bain… Which… 1026 01:25:09.910 --> 01:25:15.870 Mark Pracht: doesn't do much for me. There's the KG Beast, which doesn't do much for me. Right. 1027 01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:18.840 Mark Pracht: Professor Pig, which is… 1028 01:25:19.500 --> 01:25:27.420 Mark Pracht: doesn't do much for me, but I mean, I guess, like, it's, you know, okay, we want a horror movie villain. Alright, great. 1029 01:25:27.420 --> 01:25:28.920 Dan Newland: Nasty. 1030 01:25:30.150 --> 01:25:34.839 Mark Pracht: Yeah, I mean, like, I think that… I think that… 1031 01:25:35.780 --> 01:25:46.669 Mark Pracht: our society has become so kind of obsessed with horror lately that these kind of characters work for people. Nothing wrong with that, but it… 1032 01:25:46.820 --> 01:25:48.480 Mark Pracht: This doesn't really work for me. 1033 01:25:48.740 --> 01:25:50.670 Mark Pracht: like… I think. 1034 01:25:50.780 --> 01:25:52.919 Mark Pracht: But I… I also… 1035 01:25:53.090 --> 01:25:59.670 Mark Pracht: I also like the cleverness of, like, taking Clayface and making it into a body horror movie. I think that's interesting. 1036 01:25:59.920 --> 01:26:04.419 Mark Pracht: But… I don't know. 1037 01:26:05.750 --> 01:26:09.599 Mark Pracht: just to… Talk about something that just happened days ago. 1038 01:26:09.930 --> 01:26:13.940 Mark Pracht: But, yeah. 1039 01:26:14.200 --> 01:26:16.850 Mark Pracht: Anyway… I think we're done. 1040 01:26:17.250 --> 01:26:18.600 Sean Harklerode: Did you have the ready? 1041 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:24.090 Tad Eggleston: Well, I did have one last question for everybody but Dan, who knows. 1042 01:26:24.310 --> 01:26:38.749 Tad Eggleston: What thread, what part of John Sable, or… or… What… Ensemble character are you hoping 1043 01:26:38.910 --> 01:26:42.109 Tad Eggleston: That we'll learn more about next. 1044 01:26:43.660 --> 01:26:48.219 Tad Eggleston: Like, you'll be really happy if the next volume includes what? 1045 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:56.430 Mark Pracht: Well, I enjoy… I enjoy the relationship with Maggie, the cat. 1046 01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:04.970 Mark Pracht: But that character also immediately strikes me as, like, I don't want her to become a supporting character on a regular basis, I want her to show up maybe once a year. 1047 01:27:05.340 --> 01:27:06.250 Tad Eggleston: Right. 1048 01:27:06.570 --> 01:27:07.720 Mark Pracht: I think… 1049 01:27:11.160 --> 01:27:12.210 Mark Pracht: Sunny. 1050 01:27:13.050 --> 01:27:17.780 Mark Pracht: Sunny's the… Sonny's the obvious choice. Like, there's something interesting happening there. 1051 01:27:17.780 --> 01:27:28.200 Sean Harklerode: I mean, they're laying… to me, it's sunny, too. I mean, he's laying the… the threads out there, that's something that he's gonna develop some story. 1052 01:27:28.500 --> 01:27:34.640 Sean Harklerode: Yeah. Although, the next issue, we're going to Vietnam, 1969, so I guess it'll be a while. 1053 01:27:35.290 --> 01:27:37.770 Tad Eggleston: Well, unless that's where he met

Sonny. 1054 01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:40.200 Tad Eggleston: Oh. 1055 01:27:40.200 --> 01:27:40.750 Mark Pracht: Well, I don't. 1056 01:27:40.750 --> 01:27:42.260 Sean Harklerode: It's big? I haven't read it. 1057 01:27:42.930 --> 01:27:43.299 Mark Pracht: I would. 1058 01:27:43.300 --> 01:27:44.220 Tad Eggleston: I think… 1059 01:27:44.220 --> 01:27:44.810 Mark Pracht: pink. 1060 01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:50.500 Mark Pracht: That's more of building up the backstory, because, like, we do know that he served in Vietnam, so… 1061 01:27:50.500 --> 01:27:51.100 Tad Eggleston: Right. 1062 01:27:51.950 --> 01:28:04.810 Tad Eggleston: I think, for me, it's the detective. Not because I don't feel you with the Sunny, but because… 1063 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:23.830 Tad Eggleston: I feel like it's more likely that the detective is an overall happy, if sometimes stressful and dramatic storyline, whereas there's something about Sonny that just makes me feel like it's gonna be a tragedy. 1064 01:28:23.890 --> 01:28:29.070 Tad Eggleston: And… and, like, I enjoy tragedies, but I don't necessarily… 1065 01:28:29.330 --> 01:28:35.789 Tad Eggleston: get excited for tragedies, if that makes sense. I'm also interested to see… 1066 01:28:36.160 --> 01:28:47.799 Tad Eggleston: both the Mike and the Maggie relationships, but I'm with Mark on the Maggie. I think she's gotta be in and out, and I think that Mike is gonna be a slower burn. I just don't expect to see… 1067 01:28:48.510 --> 01:28:49.680 Tad Eggleston: depth. 1068 01:28:50.330 --> 01:28:51.789 Tad Eggleston: Coming soon. 1069 01:28:52.210 --> 01:28:54.790 Tad Eggleston: So I'm hoping… 1070 01:28:55.040 --> 01:29:05.700 Tad Eggleston: what I'm hoping for is… is more with the detective. What I'm expecting is more with Sonny. I think… I think that one-page tease tells you it's coming and coming soon. 1071 01:29:06.580 --> 01:29:10.939 Tad Eggleston: Because, among other things, that one-page tease tells you he's been lying to Sable. 1072 01:29:11.730 --> 01:29:12.340 Mark Pracht: Sure. 1073 01:29:14.370 --> 01:29:16.200 Tad Eggleston: Which is also one of the… 1074 01:29:19.490 --> 01:29:25.490 Tad Eggleston: Which is also one of the reasons why, why, I just see tragedy there. 1075 01:29:27.850 --> 01:29:30.900 Dan Newland: I don't know how you guys do this. How the… how the hell do you have… 1076 01:29:31.430 --> 01:29:37.150 Dan Newland: comic books in front of you that you could read, and instead you have the discipline to say, I'm just gonna read the ones. 1077 01:29:37.150 --> 01:29:37.610 Mark Pracht: Wow. 1078 01:29:38.210 --> 01:29:39.540 Tad Eggleston: Well, for me, Dan… 1079 01:29:39.540 --> 01:29:40.450 Dan Newland: I can't do it. 1080 01:29:40.450 --> 01:29:43.649 Tad Eggleston: It has everything to do with… with… 1081 01:29:43.810 --> 01:29:55.350 Tad Eggleston: I have so many… like, I still have 6 issues of milestone stuff to read for tomorrow night. I read 20 new comics, including 3 graphic novels this week, for this morning. 1082 01:29:56.240 --> 01:29:58.930 Dan Newland: I just got, like, 40 new comics in the mail a couple. 1083 01:29:58.930 --> 01:30:01.830 Tad Eggleston: Yes, yes, but you don't have… you don't have the. 1084 01:30:01.830 --> 01:30:05.640 Mark Pracht: Dan has to reveal the entirety of the Silver Age of DC Comics! 1085 01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:07.270 Dan Newland: Exactly. 1086 01:30:07.590 --> 01:30:16.369 Tad Eggleston: But you don't have quite the same deadlines, certainly not when you read the John Sable, for, I have to get this done for this podcast that I'm recording at. 1087 01:30:16.370 --> 01:30:17.840 Dan Newland: I've given up sleep. 1088 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:18.200 Mark Pracht: I… 1089 01:30:18.200 --> 01:30:19.330 Dan Newland: I've given up sleep. 1090 01:30:19.400 --> 01:30:32.550 Mark Pracht: Look, my, my, like, and, you know, my personal life is really complicated right now, so, I barely got these done yesterday, so, 1091 01:30:32.700 --> 01:30:37.890 Mark Pracht: you know, I'm trying to parse things out, because I also like to, 1092 01:30:38.200 --> 01:30:48.189 Mark Pracht: like, for our… for our, Secret Wars and Crisis thing, I like to reread those twice, since we're not doing a lot, and 1093 01:30:48.940 --> 01:30:52.569 Mark Pracht: Just to make sure that I have some real thoughts about it. 1094 01:30:54.260 --> 01:30:55.730 Mark Pracht: But, yeah, no. 1095 01:30:56.450 --> 01:31:07.659 Dan Newland: I guess, actually, I have learned my lesson, because I have read the third books of those two, but I did not go and just burn through the entire series again, because I'm like. 1096 01:31:08.190 --> 01:31:15.359 Dan Newland: I'm gonna get myself in trouble again. I have to just stop, so… I am… I am a learning animal at some point, I guess. 1097 01:31:15.360 --> 01:31:16.040 Sean Harklerode: Huh? Anyway… 1098 01:31:16.040 --> 01:31:17.630 Mark Pracht: Guys, I gotta go. 1099 01:31:17.830 --> 01:31:23.689 Tad Eggleston: Alright, for 22 Panels, this has been The Pulp Blotter and John Sable on… 1100 01:31:24.440 --> 01:31:30.740 Tad Eggleston: Yeah, on 22 Panels with Mark, Sean, and Dan. We will see you after the next page.