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Hello everybody, welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony Gerderman,
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here as always with Tom or Tom.
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How's it going?
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Well, Tony, we get a chance to talk about the
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Ohio State offense, which is, I guess, is this the
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good vibes side of the ball for Ohio State right now?
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Because we know it's non-special teams. Right, right. Not outstanding
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on defense right now. So is this where Ohio State
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fans are like, well, finally, the good news.
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Yes, here comes your lukewarm porridge. It's just right.
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Luke Fahey is his name.
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That was a previous show, Luke Fahey, still your starting quarterback.
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We talked with Ohio State Offensive Coordinator Arthur Smith on Tuesday,
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and Tom, I'm even taking notes of what he had
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to say and listening to the questions, a whole bunch
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of good questions. And there's... There's a lot of coach
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speak to it. If you're going to try to put
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together a bonus show, good luck to you, sir.
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Yeah, you might get Ryan Day and you might get...
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You might get two from Ryan Day and one from
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Matt Patricia.
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Arthur Smith's just not the most open guy in terms of.
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Like we were talking before the show, like Kevin Wilson
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would just go and go and go and go and
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talk and.
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Talk and talk.
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And Tom Urban would talk as well. Arthur Smith's just
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not big on talking too much about the college stuff.
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A lot of NFL references, which... I was talking with
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somebody else on the beat, and they're like, the way
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he talks about the NFL, it feels like he wants
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to get back there as quickly as possible.
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I don't know that anyone in Columbus right now would
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be saying, like, no, please, don't, no.
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But we mentioned this, I think, on the Ryan Day
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show in terms of you have a true freshman quarterback,
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Luke Fahey, and you're being asked about Luke Fahey. And
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then when you're referencing times that you spent with Aaron
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Rodgers and things like that, it's like these are not
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the same world.
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Yes, it's coach to quarterback.
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But you need to bring it down to the college
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level in terms of this is an 18-year-old guy that
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you're talking about an offense with who didn't expect to
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start this year and has gained some good experience in
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these last two starts and is able to talk it more. But, like,
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I appreciate the conversations that you've had. Like, I don't
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know if Brian Day ever talked about when he was
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the offensive coordinator, like his conversations with who he was
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working with, with the 49ers or the Eagles. And yet
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maybe that would have been somewhat acceptable because, you know,
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it wasn't 50-year-old Aaron Rodgers who had been in the
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league forever.
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Aaron Rodgers was, I believe, I think Luke Fahey is
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a 2007 birthday, I think. And Aaron Rodgers was in
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his What season with the Packers?
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So that would have been a– he was a 2005
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draft pick, right?
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So whatever that would be. Or was he a 2006
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draft pick?
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Third season with the Packers when Luke Fahey was– give
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or take. I do not know Luke Fahey's exact birthday. Right.
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Give or take. A multi-year NFL vet by the time
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he was– Luke Fahey was literally born. So, yeah, not–
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and this is kind of– his answers are kind of
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a little bit mad libs because he's a he's a
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former nfl head coach as is matt patricia and you
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don't get to be a former nfl head coach without
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being able to kind of do like everyone can kind
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of gym trestle it where you talk for a while
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and you listen and you hear lots of football words
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and you're like all right and then you go back
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and listen you're like what that didn't well that wasn't
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that wasn't anything and it's it's kind of like mad
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it's like noun verb name of NFL player
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that he coached. And that's, and, and it's like, there's
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an art to it. And you kind of, this is,
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this is one of those things where you kind of
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like have to tip your head as a media person
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where it's like, wow, that was really impressive. Cause his
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goal was not to say like, yeah, this guy's bad.
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Or here's the things that we're doing wrong. Or here's
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exactly what we're going to do to fix it. So
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he kind of gets up there and talk. And that's like,
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this is the job. This is not me complaining. This
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is not me saying like, this makes him a bad person.
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It's just like, this is, this is kind of the
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game that you play.
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It kind of felt like, so everybody leaves the room
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and they congregate. And it's almost like we just left
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a meeting and we're all like, why did, we just
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got tricked into buying timeshares. Like, how did we all,
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I didn't come here for a timeshare. You want one too?
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Where it's like, everybody's just kind of like confused. Like
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you just woke up from something. Like, how did we
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get here? And Doug LaMaurice of the Bill and Doug
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show was asking something.
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And I forget, I forget what the question was.
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But Arthur Smith goes on and talks about it, and
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he's like, does that explain it?
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And Doug's like, not really.
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I don't understand it, so they go on and on
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and on and on, and I'm thinking, because I'm up next,
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and I want to ask about the tight ends and
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going from so much 12 to almost exclusively 11, and thinking,
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I have no idea that I'm going to get any
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kind of answer here after this, so I'm just going
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to ask about the quarterback. Just give me something more
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about Luke Fahey and something that maybe I can use,
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because Um, there's just, I've even tried to like, look
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at my notes, like, what can we talk about?
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And there's, I.
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Don't, the show shouldn't be about what we didn't get
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out of Arthur Smith or whatever, but I, but that's
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essentially the feeling that I came out.
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Of this with because, um, what are the, what are
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the questions? What are the answers in terms of what
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got accomplished? Um, Yeah. On the day.
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What got accomplished with this media session? And I'm not
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saying nothing, so don't ever have him out there again.
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Yeah. But you're right. Like, he's a pro.
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And it reminds me back in maybe the last time
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we got to talk to him or when we got
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to talk to him in fall camp when I was
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leading him into a question.
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And he said, like, I've been doing this for a while.
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Yeah.
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I know what you're trying to do.
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I was like, hey, bro, you know, I'm just asking questions.
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And it kind of, like, I don't think he was
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dodging anything. It's just he was answering them in.
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His own way.
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Well, yeah. In his mind, like, falling for the floor pie.
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First of all, this is not the first floor pie
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he's seen. And second of all, it doesn't benefit him
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to fall for the floor pie, so he's not going
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to do that. It's... It's a weird situation where you
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can't go out and, like, people... And this is one
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of these things that people get mad at, you know,
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the beat. And I'm doing air quotes for those of
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you just listening. Where... why isn't the beat asking tougher questions?
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And it's like, we can ask the questions. We don't
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get to answer them for him. And he's not going
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to say, well, these six guys are all terrible. Or
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here's the, all the ways that I'm a huge failure personally. And,
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you know, in both my personal and professional lives, which is,
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I think that's what people want. And it's like, that's
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not how any of this works. Like that doesn't,
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never happens. Like that's not, you don't get those answers.
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You don't get those questions because we're trying to ask
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questions that give you insightful answers they don't always yield
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insightful answers but like he was asked a bunch about
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jeremiah smith yeah and like why isn't jeremiah smith getting
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targeted more in the passing game because they went like
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two full quarters against oregon without throwing the ball to
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jeremiah smith and he said well they got off off
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track on a few second downs but you know he
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had 10 catches against usc and they lost that game
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so like the results aren't what they wanted overall and
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it's like well that you know that sort of answers
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the question but also like You feel like you have
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to preface everything by, like, I realize this is going
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to sound like a stupid question, but can't you just
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throw him the ball more? Because it feels like that's
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a simple question with a relatively simple answer, but the
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answer is always, well, it's kind.
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Of more complicated than that. It also depends on what
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the defense is doing. It also depends on the pre-snap
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reads of what Luke Fahey is seeing. And that was
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a question as well in terms of there's a There
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was this one play where Jeremiah Smith was open, all right?
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Yeah.
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But, like, Luke Fahey went to Devin McEwen on the
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other side, and Arthur Smith explained it in terms of, well,
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you know, Devin gets up there, and he looks at
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the coverage.
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He looks at where he sees an advantage. Devin McEwen
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had a one-on-one.
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And then one of the main things I agree with
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Arthur Smith on is, like, Everybody has to make plays.
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Everybody has to do their job. And if you have
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a one-on-one, you need to get open. Now, also, when
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you get open, that ball needs to be there and
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it needs to be accurate. So, like,
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of moving parts to this, as you guys know. And
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so it's like there are answers to why didn't you
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throw to Jeremiah. It's like, well, we had an advantage.
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We'd like to match up here. And it would have
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been fine if he didn't get the ball and the
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ball was caught and you pick up the first down.
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So it's like nobody would be like, why do you
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keep using Devin McEwen to move to pick up first
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downs as you're picking up first downs?
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The, why aren't you throwing it to Jeremiah is when
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you see on the replay, like, well, he was, he
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looked open and on replay, a lot of guys look
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open as everybody knows.
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And on screenshots, everybody's open.
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Yes. Right.
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But also on some screenshots, there's nobody, there's no defense there.
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Now that's the last show.
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That was the last show.
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But, so like, I appreciate the fact that Arthur Smith
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also said, guys have to win their one-on-ones, which is very,
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very true. And, And yet, also, if you're the quarterback,
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time boy this season was so long ago remember when
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uh it was like is julian saint just going too
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much to jeremiah yeah yeah and we said the same
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thing about kyle mccord and marvin harrison and now a
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lifetime ago and now we're like well you still need
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you need to go to more to jeremiah i don't
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care you think you have an advantage over here I
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bet you've got one over there as well.
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Well, and I think that kind of goes to the,
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why don't they just do the thing that's working more,
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which when you're running the ball and then in your
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running ball, well, you know, you gain six yards and
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you get eight yards. If you throw the ball and
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you throw an incomplete pass, why are you dummies getting
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away from the run, which is working. And if you
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run the ball for six yards and you run the
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ball for eight yards and And then you run the
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ball again and then they stuff it. Why aren't you
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dummies recognizing they're going to recognize they're going to be
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running the ball. And that's when boy, that'd be, that's
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when you hit them over the top of the play
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action pass. And so there's a lot of results based
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analysis on this stuff, which the results have not been great.
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A hundred percent. The results have not been great. No
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one is questioning that there is process here. And so
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we tend to try to have process conversations because it's,
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That's where the actual... That's where you find the actual
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truth of the matter is the process kind of conversation.
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And that's where I'm still hung up on the 14
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personnel on the goal line, where that's just... That's bad process. Like,
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it's bad process, period, full stop. It's bad process is
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also yielding bad results. But if they were scoring on those,
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at least it would be like, well, okay, you're getting...
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You're not getting the results or the process. But there
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is stuff here where, like you said... people post screenshots
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and everyone gets all up in arms. Cause it's like, well,
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this guy, you know, look at how open this guy was.
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It's like, well, look at the helmet stripe on his head.
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That tells you where his eyes are pointed. His eyes
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are looking right. Why doesn't he see the guy who's
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open on the left side of the field? Cause his
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read is to the right. That's where his first read is.
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Or he's looked over left and the guy was not open.
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And then he's broken open after he's moved his head
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to the right. Like there is a why behind this.
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That's not just throw the football to the guy who's
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open right at this Split second where I took a screenshot, dummy. Like,
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there's much more to it than that.
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Defenders also see that helmet moving.
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Uh-huh. Yeah.
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And they head over that way.
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Arthur Smith, completely confident in the offensive line. They'll be
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able to get the job done. So that's good news.
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I don't know which five he's talking about in terms of, like,
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you know, what five would you put out there? It's like, well,
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we've got six, we've got seven, we've got eight. So
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I guess, you know, there's some positive there that he
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feels– good about that. Seeing some of the plays coming
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out of the Oregon game again, it's like, oof. I
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think we all expected more from the offensive line due
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to Arthur Smith and what he's bringing, but also his eyes.
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I guess, not that he would say, boy, we ain't
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got it, fellas. He's never going to say that.
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No, he's not. And this is one of the things where, again,
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this is one of the things that people get upset about.
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Why aren't they taking accountability and saying, this guy's a bum?
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If you do that, that's not going to help recruiting
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in the future. That's not going to help the vibes
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and the chemistry in the locker room. College coaches just
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really don't do that. When they do, it makes huge
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headlines because you never do it. And generally, the feedback
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on that is generally not like, well... What a brave
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coach to say that. It's like, look at this jerk.
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That's bad culture.
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Yeah, that is very bad culture. So, you know, I
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think the answer on the offensive line is like, yeah, man,
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what else is he going to say? I don't, you know,
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he's not going to say, well, maybe we'll try again
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next year.
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I tried.
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Yeah, look, I don't know what you expect from me.
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Do you see? Do you see the.
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It's... This is kind of where you get during one
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of these seasons. And it has been so long since
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Ohio State's had one of these seasons that Ohio State
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fans don't recognize it. Talk to a Penn State fan.
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They're going to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, are you
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having that press conference? Yeah, okay.
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First day, bro.
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Yeah, I mean, Michigan fans, to a certain degree, have
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had this type of press conference before and seen it
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in the past. You can go through lots of teams
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that are at the high– Clemson fans have had a
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whole lot of these types of press conference over the years.
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Teams that have been at the high level of the sport,
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you heard a lot of this in Tuscaloosa, Alabama this
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time last year. You're not doomed forever, but it's just
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kind of like this is where they are right now.
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And I think one of the reasons you didn't get
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direct answers is because I don't know that there's an
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easy answer to this. I don't think it's just like
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it's easy to say, yes, push the Jeremiah Smith button more.
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And he's telling you it's not quite that easy, which
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is all true. I continue to think they need to
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push the Jeremiah Smith button more, but it's not that easy.
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And this is all a true freshman quarterback.
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Yes.
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The underlying, overlying, sideline thing.
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The offensive line, the true freshman quarterback, the lack of
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explosives in the run game, the lack of other players
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who are developing in the passing game other than Jeremiah Smith.
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They haven't gotten quite what they wanted out of some
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of the other wide receivers and the tight end room.
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I mean, there's a lot of why behind this.
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Yeah, for sure. So what do you guys think? Can
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Arthur Smith get this right? Are you as confident in
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the offensive line? Is it just as much of a,
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is it like just chalking up to a true freshman
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quarterback and this.
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Is just one of those years? It just happens.
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And I promise you it does just happen. It hasn't
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happened here in a while, but it is happening. And
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yet there are still some lifelines going on to see
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if Ohio State can get to the Big Ten Championship game.
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But that'll do it from here. We're talking about all
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of this stuff, all of it over at BuckeyeInsiders.com. Constantly
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got a great community there. discussing it, and sharing opinions,
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not a bunch of yelling and arguing. It's adults just
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talking it out.
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So if that interests you, come find us over there.
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We would love to see you. So that will do
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it from here. Thank you all for tuning in, and
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we will talk to you all later.
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Well she threw away the motel key I wish it
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never meant nothing to me Say you will, I'll say
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you will Oh yeah Say you.
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Will, I'll say.
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You will If you tell me that Des Moines's alright,
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we could steal a car and leave tonight.