Serial Killer Documentary - Gary Ridgway： The Green River Killer का पूरा ट्रांसक्रिप्ट

because of the fact that they had very little feeling 77 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:55.800 for another human being. They looked at a victim as 78 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.709 an object for their excitement. Basically, you're talking about a 79 00:05:58.759 --> 00:05:59.870 sexual psychopath. 80 00:06:01.990 --> 00:06:09.000 The victims were 16-year-old Opal Mills, 17-year-old Cynthia Jean Hinds, 81 00:06:10.779 --> 00:06:13.600 and 31-year-old Marsha Chapman. 82 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:18.180 When I found out that it was Marsha, I was, 83 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:23.629 I don't think I had any words that I could say. 84 00:06:23.649 --> 00:06:29.949 It was like, oh my God, somebody killed her. It 85 00:06:30.009 --> 00:06:30.730 was really sad. 86 00:06:33.550 --> 00:06:36.730 We did not know this was only the beginning of 87 00:06:36.829 --> 00:06:40.110 a reign of terror, and we wouldn't know who was 88 00:06:40.149 --> 00:06:41.790 doing this for a very long time. 89 00:06:44.790 --> 00:06:48.420 On Seattle's strip, the Green River Killer had found a 90 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.720 rich hunting ground that would enable him to amass a 91 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:57.060 body count unrivaled by any serial killer in American history. 92 00:07:05.370 --> 00:07:09.500 By autumn of 1982, the bodies of five young women 93 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:14.339 had been discovered in or beside Seattle's Green River. They 94 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.579 had disappeared from a notorious highway known as The Strip, 95 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:23.170 an area where prostitution was rife. And the Green River 96 00:07:23.250 --> 00:07:34.149 Killer had only just begun. On the 15th of September, 1982, 97 00:07:36.329 --> 00:07:39.329 18-year-old Mary Bridget Meehan vanishes. 98 00:07:42.350 --> 00:07:47.259 Bridget was the much-loved daughter of a Catholic family in Bellevue, 99 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:52.560 a very rich suburb of Seattle. She skipped school a lot. 100 00:07:53.579 --> 00:07:58.300 She joined up with a boyfriend named Ray, and they 101 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:06.310 were living in a cheap motel on Highway 99. She left. 102 00:08:07.250 --> 00:08:10.360 I think she was still possibly turning a few tricks. 103 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:15.839 And she didn't come back. Her family was so upset 104 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.439 because she was eight and a half months pregnant. 105 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:25.290 To every serial killer, human beings are objects. There's no 106 00:08:25.410 --> 00:08:28.029 emotional connection. There's nothing there. 107 00:08:31.490 --> 00:08:36.029 On the 20th of September, another girl, 15-year-old Deborah Lorraine 108 00:08:36.149 --> 00:08:41.320 Estes disappeared. Yet police were still unable to identify a killer. 109 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:46.100 This was the area that I was working in. This 110 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.279 is the area where the bulk of the Green River 111 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:49.740 victims were. 112 00:08:49.740 --> 00:08:50.360 Picked up from. 113 00:08:51.139 --> 00:08:55.279 And we would sit here and look, you know, trying 114 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:59.850 to identify who might be the suspect. We had very 115 00:08:59.899 --> 00:09:05.039 dedicated detectives who were determined to solve this case. 116 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:12.950 On the 26th of September, 16-year-old Linda Jane Rule vanishes. 117 00:09:15.049 --> 00:09:18.710 Linda Rule was a slender, blonde girl who lived up 118 00:09:18.750 --> 00:09:21.649 in the North End. She had been working the streets, 119 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:25.070 and she had a boyfriend who kind of served as 120 00:09:25.129 --> 00:09:30.009 a pimp. She disappeared from an area near the Northgate Mall. 121 00:09:34.230 --> 00:09:40.330 Like all serial killers, he seemed to have the ability 122 00:09:40.409 --> 00:09:46.019 to sense vulnerability in potential victims. He didn't take the 123 00:09:46.059 --> 00:09:51.039 streetwise girls. He was looking for the younger women. 124 00:09:53.419 --> 00:09:57.769 By the end of 1982, 15 girls would be missing 125 00:09:57.850 --> 00:10:01.000 or found dead, and pressure was mounting. on the sheriff's 126 00:10:01.059 --> 00:10:01.659 task force. 127 00:10:03.940 --> 00:10:07.690 People hoped that law enforcement would be successful. There were 128 00:10:07.730 --> 00:10:10.009 different rumors that were passing around of who the person 129 00:10:10.049 --> 00:10:14.129 might be. There was rampant speculation that it might be 130 00:10:14.149 --> 00:10:17.379 even a law enforcement officer because of the easy access 131 00:10:17.429 --> 00:10:19.309 that the individual. 132 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:21.490 Had to the number and variety of women in the community. 133 00:10:21.509 --> 00:10:27.850 You know, the unfortunate thing is some of the women 134 00:10:28.110 --> 00:10:33.299 of the street felt like the sheriff's office wasn't investigating 135 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.840 the case as hard as we could have because they 136 00:10:35.860 --> 00:10:42.179 were street kids and runaways, and that's not true. Everybody 137 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:47.100 assigned to that investigation was committed to solving it. committed 138 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.100 to bringing this person to justice because these were, you know, 139 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.379 somebody's daughter, somebody's sister, somebody's mother, and we cared about them. 140 00:10:54.860 --> 00:10:56.620 We cared about them like they were our own kids 141 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.710 or our own family members, and we wanted to solve it. 142 00:11:03.990 --> 00:11:08.129 Then on the 30th of April, 1983, a young girl 143 00:11:08.169 --> 00:11:09.970 was spotted being taken from the strip. 144 00:11:12.809 --> 00:11:18.360 Maria Malvar, with her boyfriend, We're at a restaurant on 145 00:11:18.379 --> 00:11:21.399 the highway. Her boyfriend went to make a phone call. 146 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.539 When

he came back, Maria wasn't in the restaurant. And 147 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:29.340 he was very concerned, and he thought, well, I'll go 148 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:31.000 on the highway and see if I can find her. 149 00:11:33.610 --> 00:11:36.750 And he realized that Maria was in the truck ahead 150 00:11:36.789 --> 00:11:40.629 of him. There was a man driving, and then she 151 00:11:40.669 --> 00:11:44.179 was talking to the man. And so he determined to 152 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.500 follow the truck because he wasn't sure what was going on. 153 00:11:46.539 --> 00:11:49.940 He worried about her. And they got up to the 154 00:11:49.980 --> 00:11:56.330 stoplight at Highway 99 and 216th. But when he turned left, 155 00:11:57.070 --> 00:11:58.250 he couldn't see the car. 156 00:12:00.629 --> 00:12:04.370 Marie's boyfriend returned with her family to search the streets 157 00:12:04.450 --> 00:12:08.090 for the pickup truck she'd left in. And in a 158 00:12:08.149 --> 00:12:11.990 quiet cul-de-sac, just a few blocks from the strip, they 159 00:12:12.029 --> 00:12:16.279 found it. parked outside the modest home of a local 160 00:12:16.340 --> 00:12:17.019 truck painter. 161 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.860 And they asked local police please to go there because 162 00:12:22.899 --> 00:12:26.750 they believed Maria was in that house. One of the 163 00:12:26.809 --> 00:12:30.230 sergeants did go there, knocked on the door. A man 164 00:12:30.330 --> 00:12:34.370 answered and he said, there's nobody here but me. And 165 00:12:34.409 --> 00:12:35.259 they didn't press it. 166 00:12:38.789 --> 00:12:42.129 All serial killers have the ability to appear so normal 167 00:12:42.409 --> 00:12:45.850 that they throw off even people who are considered experts. 168 00:12:46.090 --> 00:12:51.120 The serial killer is the Olympiad of the pathological liar. 169 00:12:52.820 --> 00:12:56.460 The man's details joined hundreds more in the task force's files. 170 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:02.340 A saliva swab would later be added. Still, girls continued 171 00:13:02.419 --> 00:13:02.919 to vanish. 172 00:13:03.340 --> 00:13:05.899 And the list kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 173 00:13:07.980 --> 00:13:11.799 By June 1983, at least 26 girls had disappeared. 174 00:13:12.370 --> 00:13:16.450 They learned from their crimes. As their murders grow in number, 175 00:13:16.509 --> 00:13:17.970 their efficiency increases. 176 00:13:19.129 --> 00:13:24.330 The remains were being found in secluded, quiet, dark areas. 177 00:13:25.529 --> 00:13:28.139 That summer, five girls went missing. 178 00:13:29.299 --> 00:13:30.860 By the time they were up to five or six 179 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:34.000 or ten homicides, they'd become very difficult to catch. 180 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.120 The fear was tremendous and deep throughout the entire community. 181 00:13:39.629 --> 00:13:41.730 Autumn, five more vanished. 182 00:13:43.129 --> 00:13:46.100 Some of them were in the mountain foothills. Some of 183 00:13:46.149 --> 00:13:48.620 them were down in the Green River Valley. 184 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.399 He was, you know, ahead of us. We wanted to 185 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:53.879 catch him. We wanted to stop him. 186 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:59.960 Winter and spring 1984, four more girls gone. 187 00:14:01.700 --> 00:14:05.429 There would be three or four or maybe even five 188 00:14:05.490 --> 00:14:06.309 in one spot. 189 00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:08.029 Unbelievable. 190 00:14:09.620 --> 00:14:13.940 He was outsmarting the homicide detectives. Everybody was looking for him. 191 00:14:14.730 --> 00:14:23.269 He was dumping women like they were garbage. This was 192 00:14:23.309 --> 00:14:26.340 a gun site. It's not far from the airport. It's 193 00:14:26.389 --> 00:14:29.440 not far from the strip where the young girls were missing. 194 00:14:29.899 --> 00:14:33.419 In the evenings, it was dark, very secluded, very few 195 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.120 people came down here. You could come, dump something, and 196 00:14:37.179 --> 00:14:41.009 be gone. And that's what happened in this location here. 197 00:14:44.429 --> 00:14:45.190 They were just dumped. 198 00:14:51.090 --> 00:14:54.820 Among the dozens of bodies found was the 16-year-old Linda 199 00:14:54.840 --> 00:15:03.240 Jane Rule, her skeletal remains hidden under a bush. And 200 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.600 in the scrubland south of the airport, the fate of 201 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:10.909 the pregnant 18-year-old Mary Bridget Meehan was finally discovered. 202 00:15:11.970 --> 00:15:17.629 Someone raped her, killed her, and buried her and her 203 00:15:17.750 --> 00:15:21.509 unborn baby in a shallow grave on the west side 204 00:15:21.529 --> 00:15:22.309 of the highway. 205 00:15:25.350 --> 00:15:29.840 By spring 1984, the killer had amassed more than 40 victims. 206 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:32.700 But then something changed. 207 00:15:33.980 --> 00:15:41.149 The killings continued. appeared to have stopped. Many thought that 208 00:15:41.190 --> 00:15:41.830 he was gone. 209 00:15:42.889 --> 00:15:47.700 It's incredibly unusual for a serial killer simply to stop killing. 210 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:54.179 A serial killer will usually only cease murder when he's 211 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.480 apprehended or when he dies himself. 212 00:15:56.500 --> 00:16:07.429 In 1985, the truck painter from The House in the 213 00:16:07.490 --> 00:16:12.139 Quiet Cul-de-sac, began dating 40-year-old divorced mother, Judith. 214 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.120 When I first met him, I thought he was quite 215 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.059 the gentleman and so polite and nice. He loved the 216 00:16:22.100 --> 00:16:26.779 country music and the dancing. And he was always smiling. 217 00:16:27.059 --> 00:16:34.549 He never got angry. And I just, Thought he was 218 00:16:34.590 --> 00:16:37.049 the greatest. It was like love at first sight. 219 00:16:39.750 -->

00:16:42.529 Within months, the house became Judith's home. 220 00:16:43.769 --> 00:16:45.740 He offered to help me move and that I could 221 00:16:45.769 --> 00:16:51.320 move in with him if I like. There was no 222 00:16:51.379 --> 00:16:54.320 carpet in his house, so he let me pick out 223 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:59.320 some carpet. Because he had previous renters in there. And 224 00:16:59.360 --> 00:16:59.700 he had. 225 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:00.370 Told me that.... 226 00:17:02.529 --> 00:17:07.650 The little one had wet on the carpet. The house 227 00:17:07.869 --> 00:17:09.309 needed a woman's touch. 228 00:17:10.829 --> 00:17:13.630 After three years living together, the couple wed. 229 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:21.380 We were married in 1988. It seemed like the perfect marriage. 230 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.859 He was good to my daughters, played with my grandchildren. 231 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:27.740 My dreams are coming true. 232 00:17:31.109 --> 00:17:34.880 Judith would enjoy 13 happy years of marriage, while most 233 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:39.920 of the world forgot about the Green River Killer. Most, 234 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.259 that is, except the men and women of the Green 235 00:17:43.299 --> 00:17:51.589 River Task Force. And in 2001, advances in DNA profiling 236 00:17:52.369 --> 00:17:55.789 enabled them to compare samples taken from the early victims, 237 00:17:56.589 --> 00:18:00.509 including Marsha Chapman, with swabs that had been taken from 238 00:18:00.569 --> 00:18:03.150 several men questioned during the investigation. 239 00:18:06.170 --> 00:18:09.670 This is the DNA from Marsha Chapman, and this is 240 00:18:09.730 --> 00:18:13.039 the DNA from the Green River Killer. And we looked 241 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:18.119 at them and were like, they're the same. They're the same. 242 00:18:21.339 --> 00:18:21.960 Scary which way? 243 00:18:21.980 --> 00:18:25.819 MUSIC PLAYS. 244 00:18:28.740 --> 00:18:37.710 I just, I couldn't believe it. I was just devastated 245 00:18:39.049 --> 00:18:46.880 and in shock. I think I went into denial. I 246 00:18:46.940 --> 00:18:47.859 wasn't believing it. 247 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.119 Only now would the world discover the shocking truth about 248 00:18:55.160 --> 00:19:01.779 Judith's husband, Gary Ridgeway, the most prolific serial killer in 249 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:17.019 US history. During the 1980s, the mysterious Green River Killer 250 00:19:17.299 --> 00:19:21.000 had prowled the red light district of Seattle strip unchecked, 251 00:19:21.740 --> 00:19:29.680 amassing a terrifying body count. In 2001, A DNA match 252 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:34.059 had connected 52-year-old truck painter Gary Ridgeway with the first 253 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:34.829 few victims. 254 00:19:35.329 --> 00:19:37.970 He had been identified as the most prolific serial killer 255 00:19:38.109 --> 00:19:41.529 in the history of the United States. Each of us 256 00:19:41.630 --> 00:19:44.910 recognized that this would be the biggest criminal case in 257 00:19:44.930 --> 00:19:46.170 the history of the state of Washington. 258 00:19:49.329 --> 00:19:52.339 The prosecution and defense teams would now be able to 259 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.180 interview the man suspected of over four dozen homicides. 260 00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:00.710 I'm walking down a corridor and I'm going to open 261 00:20:00.730 --> 00:20:05.490 the door and be introduced to the supposed Green River Killer. 262 00:20:07.589 --> 00:20:09.779 a hundred things are going through your mind and wondering 263 00:20:09.819 --> 00:20:11.599 what is it going to mean? Is he going to 264 00:20:11.619 --> 00:20:15.539 be crying? Is he going to be crazy? And I 265 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.380 walked in and, and like, wow, this isn't what I expected. 266 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:23.359 All right. 267 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:24.619 Pretty good. 268 00:20:25.180 --> 00:20:27.190 All of us kind of looked at each other and said, 269 00:20:27.910 --> 00:20:30.390 that's the guy that's been eluding everybody for 20 years. 270 00:20:30.809 --> 00:20:34.549 What was remarkable was that he was, he was so normal. 271 00:20:35.930 --> 00:20:36.470 Sleep okay? 272 00:20:37.130 --> 00:20:38.529 No, no. 273 00:20:39.029 --> 00:20:40.789 Well, that didn't look like the Hilton in there. 274 00:20:40.829 --> 00:20:41.789 I got a glimpse of it. 275 00:20:41.890 --> 00:20:44.950 Well, it had a posturpedic mattress in there, so it 276 00:20:44.970 --> 00:20:45.670 was good. 277 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:47.599 A little bit. 278 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:48.200 Hot in there, but. 279 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:54.400 If you did not know what he had done, you 280 00:20:54.420 --> 00:20:58.190 would like him. The monster within him was well-hidden. 281 00:21:00.380 --> 00:21:07.099 People want to ascribe extraordinary traits and qualities to these people. 282 00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:11.480 These are, for the most part, very ordinary individuals, except 283 00:21:11.569 --> 00:21:14.710 for the extraordinary crime that they get involved in. 284 00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:22.569 So who was the suspected Green River Killer? Gary Ridgway 285 00:21:22.589 --> 00:21:31.259 was born in 1949, the middle of three boys. He 286 00:21:31.299 --> 00:21:34.359 lived in a small house not far from the strip. 287 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:39.400 His mom was kind of stay-at-home and then part-time. She 288 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:42.730 worked at a department store. His dad drove a bus 289 00:21:43.009 --> 00:21:44.349 for the county. 290 00:21:45.509 --> 00:21:47.609 Gary sometimes would ride with him on the bus, and 291 00:21:47.630 --> 00:21:49.869 his dad would say, you know, see her, she's a prostitute, she's, 292 00:21:49.890 --> 00:21:52.559 you know, the scum of the earth, and would berate 293 00:21:52.650 --> 00:21:55.819 prostitutes and talk about how filthy and bad they were. 294 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.609 And then there

are... a couple of episodes where Gary 295 00:21:59.890 --> 00:22:04.809 recalls him leaving him in the vehicle while dad went 296 00:22:04.829 --> 00:22:06.670 and had sex with a prostitute. 297 00:22:08.990 --> 00:22:13.400 School friend, Terry Rochelle, recalls that Gary Ridgway was more 298 00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:14.700 inward than his siblings. 299 00:22:16.970 --> 00:22:19.660 His brother was very outgoing and, you know, a bright 300 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:22.539 personality and Gary was more quiet and. 301 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:24.500 Withdrawn, I would say is a good word. 302 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.900 He was just a little pipsqueak guy, just, you know, 303 00:22:27.940 --> 00:22:30.680 somebody's little brother, basically, you know, you didn't pay a 304 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:36.259 whole lot of attention to him. Just kind of in 305 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:39.079 the shadows, I would say most of his life. 306 00:22:41.779 --> 00:22:46.369 At school, the struggling Ridgeway failed to make an impression. However, 307 00:22:46.490 --> 00:22:49.480 at parents' evenings, his mother Mary did. 308 00:22:51.339 --> 00:22:53.619 All the women kind of sat back and looked at her. 309 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.140 It was strange because she would wear a big bouffant 310 00:22:56.940 --> 00:23:01.170 hairdo and lots and lots of makeup, short skirts, which 311 00:23:01.230 --> 00:23:03.809 were not really the style in those days, especially for 312 00:23:03.869 --> 00:23:07.410 a mom. She just always seemed like she was trying 313 00:23:07.430 --> 00:23:11.140 to be very glamorous and not like our moms at all. 314 00:23:11.910 --> 00:23:16.210 I always remember her wearing kind of the tight shorts 315 00:23:16.349 --> 00:23:18.730 and low-cut tops. 316 00:23:18.390 --> 00:23:22.369 And longer hair. She was a very, very attractive lady. 317 00:23:24.049 --> 00:23:28.440 Ridgeway admitted wetting the bed throughout his childhood and well 318 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:29.319 into his teens. 319 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:33.539 When he would wet the bed, his mother would put 320 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:35.759 him in the, have him get in the bathtub and 321 00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:37.700 wash him and wash his genitals. 322 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:45.150 During one bath, um, her robe fell open and she 323 00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:48.769 was naked underneath and he felt arousal at that and 324 00:23:48.809 --> 00:23:52.150 at the same time knew that it probably wasn't that 325 00:23:52.190 --> 00:23:54.410 wasn't a good thing to feel but he felt. 326 00:23:54.130 --> 00:23:59.289 It he talked about having some sexual feelings towards her 327 00:23:59.410 --> 00:24:02.950 he described in some detail watching her when she was 328 00:24:02.990 --> 00:24:05.509 in a bathing suit and and looking at her and 329 00:24:05.869 --> 00:24:08.029 thinking that she dressed pretty provocatively this. 330 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:17.549 Overly sexualized person washing her son's genitals, and you realize 331 00:24:17.589 --> 00:24:21.650 that most teenage boys are having an awful time with 332 00:24:21.769 --> 00:24:25.789 dealing with their own emerging sexuality, has to have had 333 00:24:25.849 --> 00:24:27.390 an impact in some way. 334 00:24:27.750 --> 00:24:31.910 Boys need to see their mothers as asexual. It is very, 335 00:24:32.009 --> 00:24:35.869 very destabilizing for an adolescent boy to see his mother 336 00:24:35.910 --> 00:24:38.890 in a sexual manner. It's very hard for an adolescent 337 00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:42.950 boy to imagine his mother having sex with anybody, including 338 00:24:43.210 --> 00:24:45.970 his father. And so when a mother behaves in a 339 00:24:46.130 --> 00:24:51.619 sexualized or hyper-sexualized way, it's very unsettling for an adolescent boy. 340 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:57.059 As Ridgway got older, he started showing signs of destructive behavior, 341 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:01.619 starting fires. And as a teenager, he took his first 342 00:25:01.700 --> 00:25:03.140 step towards murder. 343 00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:09.160 He approached a first grader, a six-year-old boy that he 344 00:25:09.220 --> 00:25:12.470 saw playing in a lot near his house. The boy 345 00:25:12.509 --> 00:25:15.410 was dressed up playing cowboys and Indians, and he kind 346 00:25:15.450 --> 00:25:20.920 of lured him into the bushes and completely unprovoked stabbed 347 00:25:21.339 --> 00:25:24.690 the little boy in the stomach and nearly killed him. 348 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.039 He told the boy that he just wanted to know 349 00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:32.380 what it felt like to kill somebody. And after he 350 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.400 stabbed him, he took the knife and wiped the blade 351 00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:41.000 off on the little boy's shoulder and just walked away. Actually, 352 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.660 nobody ever connected him to that. 353 00:25:43.940 --> 00:25:49.140 Serial killers need to have some concrete proof of what 354 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.319 they're doing. I mean, you can think about something, but 355 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.240 until you've done it, you don't know how it's going 356 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.279 to turn out. And so what the serial killer does 357 00:25:58.460 --> 00:26:03.200 is experiment. Often they will commit an act like a 358 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:03.940 trial run. 359 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:10.940 Ridgeway eventually finished school two years late due to his 360 00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:16.220 slow progress. The following year, age 21, he married his 361 00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:18.559 steady girlfriend and joined the Navy. 362 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.509 When he returned from his deployment to the Philippines, His 363 00:26:23.569 --> 00:26:25.430 wife admitted that she had had an affair with a 364 00:26:25.470 --> 00:26:28.529 friend of theirs. That was when he first started kind 365 00:26:28.569 --> 00:26:32.569 of referring to her as a whore

and using other 366 00:26:32.609 --> 00:26:36.220 derogatory terms. And that was kind of the beginning of 367 00:26:36.259 --> 00:26:39.410 a series of relationships that never quite panned out for him. 368 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.319 During the early 1970s, Ridgway got a job spray painting 369 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.920 at the Kenworth Truck Manufacturers. He then met and married his. 370 00:26:49.849 --> 00:26:55.490 Second wife, He was very much into having sex often, repeatedly, 371 00:26:55.710 --> 00:27:00.250 throughout the day, as frequently pretty much as women would agree. 372 00:27:00.509 --> 00:27:03.309 They would go out in the truck and he loved 373 00:27:03.329 --> 00:27:07.809 to have sex in public where they could be discovered 374 00:27:07.849 --> 00:27:08.569 at any time. 375 00:27:09.829 --> 00:27:13.049 But after having a child, their relationship deteriorated. 376 00:27:15.109 --> 00:27:18.430 His wife left him when his son was about five 377 00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:23.140 and that really hurt him. and that was when he 378 00:27:23.180 --> 00:27:25.799 started to go frequent prostitutes. 379 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:32.140 Ridgway claimed he became addicted to prostitutes. He had in 380 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.849 fact been quizzed by police about his activities on the 381 00:27:34.890 --> 00:27:39.529 strip several times during the 80s, even passing a lie 382 00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:42.769 detector test when grilled about the Green River murders. 383 00:27:45.619 --> 00:27:51.269 When you're subject to someone without a conscience, who has 384 00:27:51.369 --> 00:27:54.670 no regrets and no remorse and no real concern. They 385 00:27:54.710 --> 00:27:55.329 can pass them. 386 00:27:57.369 --> 00:28:00.210 He was a magnificent liar. He had an ability just 387 00:28:00.250 --> 00:28:02.670 to go and talk, and he would just talk and 388 00:28:02.710 --> 00:28:05.990 tell stories, and I, you know, for a while, I 389 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:07.799 assumed they were true. 390 00:28:08.380 --> 00:28:10.099 And when I would go in to visit Gary at 391 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:16.299 the jail, he would tell me that everything's okay. He 392 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.279 didn't do it. He didn't hurt those women. He didn't 393 00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:29.990 kill them. He didn't... And... I would believe him. 394 00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:36.970 As he was questioned in 2001, Ridgway continued to protest 395 00:28:37.009 --> 00:28:37.569 his innocence. 396 00:28:38.549 --> 00:28:41.210 Up to this point, Gary had been maintaining that they 397 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:44.359 had the wrong person, that he had had sex with 398 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.579 many prostitutes, he hadn't killed any, and that was... essentially 399 00:28:47.619 --> 00:28:50.019 going to be the defense. 400 00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:55.319 But when forensic evidence surfaced, tying him to three more victims, 401 00:28:56.180 --> 00:28:57.660 Ridgeway's story changed. 402

00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.380 Myself and another attorney were in the meeting room waiting 403 00:29:01.420 --> 00:29:01.779 for Mr. 404 00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:02.259 Ridgeway. 405 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:04.480 I don't recall what we were talking about, but we 406 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:06.900 both had smiles on our faces when he walked in. 407 00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:11.920 And he said, oh, you won't be smiling when we're done. 408 00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:17.130 I've been lying to you all. I've been manipulating everyone 409 00:29:17.190 --> 00:29:19.849 for all these years. I killed them all. 410 00:29:22.950 --> 00:29:27.420 Only now would investigators discover the true shocking horror of 411 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:42.039 the Green River Killers' crimes. In 2003, 54-year-old truck painter 412 00:29:42.099 --> 00:29:46.079 Gary Ridgway admitted he was the Green River Killer that 413 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:50.839 had eluded capture for almost two decades. A man responsible 414 00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:56.220 for the murder of more than four dozen women. Faced 415 00:29:56.259 --> 00:29:59.480 with the death penalty, Ridgway offered to tell the truth 416 00:30:00.029 --> 00:30:06.670 about all his crimes in return for his life. On 417 00:30:06.710 --> 00:30:09.769 behalf of the victims' families, who wanted to know the 418 00:30:09.829 --> 00:30:15.470 fate of their loved ones, the prosecution agreed. Ridgway would 419 00:30:15.509 --> 00:30:23.930 now reveal the true horror of his crimes. Investigators now 420 00:30:23.990 --> 00:30:27.039 learned how the Green River Killer had so easily abducted 421 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.160 and killed his victims. even at the height of the 422 00:30:30.220 --> 00:30:30.920 public terror. 423 00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.200 He came across as being a very meek and mild, 424 00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:43.789 safe person. As a matter of fact, in one situation, 425 00:30:43.890 --> 00:30:46.829 he had his child in the car with him when 426 00:30:46.849 --> 00:30:47.950 he picked up a prostitute. 427 00:30:50.890 --> 00:30:53.640 He looks like a mousy little man. He doesn't look 428 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.779 like the kind of person that if you were a 429 00:30:56.980 --> 00:30:59.460 prostitute that you would be afraid of. 430 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.019 They thought, well, he's a family man. He's safe. And 431 00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:06.779 it turns out he wasn't. 432 00:31:10.470 --> 00:31:13.410 He preferred to take them to his house. Some said 433 00:31:13.430 --> 00:31:18.109 no to that. And they would drive to a remote location. 434 00:31:18.170 --> 00:31:20.809 And he had a pickup truck with a canopy on 435 00:31:20.829 --> 00:31:24.349 the back. And he would convince them to go into 436 00:31:24.390 --> 00:31:26.859 the back of the canopy so they could have more 437 00:31:26.890 --> 00:31:30.630 room to have But what he would do is once 438 00:31:30.670 --> 00:31:33.029 he got them in the position either in

his bed 439 00:31:33.069 --> 00:31:35.410 at home where he had pictures of his son on 440 00:31:35.430 --> 00:31:37.980 the wall and they felt a little more secure, or 441 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.240 whether they were just hopping in the back of the truck, 442 00:31:41.900 --> 00:31:47.400 get naked, begin with oral sex. A missionary at some 443 00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:50.960 point convinced them that he would be able to finish 444 00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:56.829 sooner if they would agree to the rear entry position. 445 00:31:57.869 --> 00:32:00.309 When I got through having a climax with her, I 446 00:32:03.910 --> 00:32:04.529 jumped on her. 447 00:32:04.910 --> 00:32:07.890 He hit his arm around the girl's neck. 448 00:32:07.930 --> 00:32:09.170 How much are you pulling on her neck? 449 00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:11.309 I'm pulling really hard on her neck. 450 00:32:11.349 --> 00:32:11.730 How? 451 00:32:12.029 --> 00:32:12.710 Just like this. 452 00:32:13.170 --> 00:32:14.009 What are you saying to her? 453 00:32:14.130 --> 00:32:20.109 Don't, don't, don't fight, don't fight, and I'll let you go. 454 00:32:21.250 --> 00:32:23.309 And then choked him with his forearm. 455 00:32:23.890 --> 00:32:26.720 I'm feeling, I gotta kill her, I gotta kill her, 456 00:32:26.730 --> 00:32:27.279 I gotta kill her. 457 00:32:35.259 --> 00:32:36.960 You'll need to go up to kind of like on 458 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.200 the top of the hill and pull in. 459 00:32:41.390 --> 00:32:45.569 Ridgeway guided the investigators to where he dumped dozens of 460 00:32:45.609 --> 00:32:46.109 young women. 461 00:32:51.029 --> 00:32:55.799 I just drove in my pickup and camper and parked 462 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.990 it brought her body over and put it a little 463 00:32:59.009 --> 00:32:59.650 bit over the hill. 464 00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:06.230 His method of recollection was where he had left their bodies. 465 00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:09.289 Between this one and that one up there, you think 466 00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:09.990 you put like five? 467 00:33:10.029 --> 00:33:11.269 Five of them in there. 468 00:33:12.089 --> 00:33:12.789 Okay. 469 00:33:13.490 --> 00:33:15.970 He essentially said the victims didn't mean anything. I have 470 00:33:16.009 --> 00:33:17.690 no idea who they are. I don't know if they're black, 471 00:33:17.710 --> 00:33:20.730 if they're white, how old they are, how young they are. 472 00:33:20.769 --> 00:33:24.190 I mean, they really meant nothing to me as an individual. 473 00:33:25.059 --> 00:33:26.839 What you're getting is what you're going to get, and 474 00:33:26.859 --> 00:33:29.140 that's all you can get because I don't remember. 475 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:34.119 To every serial killer, human beings are objects. In the 476 00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:38.579 homicides that they commit, they're never going to remember the name. 477 00:33:38.619 --> 00:33:41.039 They're never going to remember the face. They'll remember the 478 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.079 concrete action of where. 479 00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:49.349 Those bodies are. One of the dump sites that Ridgeway 480 00:33:49.410 --> 00:33:54.740 identified was that of Marie Malvar, the 18-year-old, whose boyfriend 481 00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:59.140 had spotted Ridgway abducting her. He admitted that when he 482 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.779 strangled her, she had fought back harder than any of 483 00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:03.420 his victims. 484 00:34:04.970 --> 00:34:07.390 I put battery acid in myself right here and there 485 00:34:07.410 --> 00:34:10.750 to cover up scratches. There's a scratch here, scratches here 486 00:34:11.829 --> 00:34:13.909 from a mill bar. 487 00:34:15.429 --> 00:34:18.880 Ridgway claimed he was filled with rage and had wanted 488 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:23.320 to hurt his victims even after their deaths. he admitted 489 00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:26.900 he'd tried to set the lifeless 16-year-old Linda Rule's hair 490 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.159 on fire. 491 00:34:28.179 --> 00:34:33.000 You know, he seemed throughout the interviews to try to 492 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.940 blame a lot of what had happened on the women 493 00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:38.760 in his life, that the women that he actually killed 494 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:41.260 were kind of an extension of all the women before 495 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.239 who had disappointed him in some way. 496 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.659 All the pressure just built and built and built and built. 497 00:34:48.860 --> 00:34:52.360 My releasing was killing women. 498 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.780 He did talk about a number of the victims that 499 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.219 he would go back and have sexual relations with them 500 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.570 for a number of days after he killed them. 501 00:35:08.409 --> 00:35:09.349 Gary, did you. 502 00:35:09.269 --> 00:35:10.550 Revisit any of these? 503 00:35:11.650 --> 00:35:12.949 I revisited at least one of them. 504 00:35:13.369 --> 00:35:15.070 And when we say revisit, what did you come back 505 00:35:15.110 --> 00:35:15.389 to do? 506 00:35:16.670 --> 00:35:17.289 Have sex with her. 507 00:35:17.809 --> 00:35:19.949 He's like, oh, yeah, you know, but then the flies 508 00:35:19.989 --> 00:35:22.099 would come and the maggots, and then I'd be like, oh, 509 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.179 I don't, you know. Like he didn't want to do 510 00:35:24.219 --> 00:35:25.739 it after that. You know, you were just, I mean, 511 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.360 that's the thing. He said it in this, like I'm 512 00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:32.199 talking to you, but as if it's totally normal. 513 00:35:36.070 --> 00:35:42.409 Now, why do individuals do this? The standard explanation for 514 00:35:42.449 --> 00:35:47.050 necrophilia had been sex with someone dead. You can have 515 00:35:47.150 --> 00:35:50.349 total control over it. There's no resistance at all. And 516 00:35:50.409 --> 00:35:54.989 so you can live out

those sorts of feelings with 517 00:35:55.050 --> 00:35:56.269 a dead, lifeless body. 518 00:35:58.010 --> 00:35:59.690 He's not the one that you're going to turn to 519 00:35:59.730 --> 00:36:01.820 and ask, why did you do this? And get the 520 00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:05.739 deep psychological answer. But one of the things that frequently 521 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.699 came up was that he wouldn't have to pay for 522 00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:08.239 the sex. 523 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:18.219 Ridgeway's murderous spree had continued unabated until he met his 524 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:20.780 third wife, Judith, in the mid-80s. 525 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:32.559 Gary was so straight, normal, and loving and gentle. He 526 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.139 was so kind around me all the time. He didn't 527 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:43.840 get mad or upset about anything. Seemed like the perfect marriage. 528 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.489 When he first met her, he stopped patronizing prostitutes and 529 00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:52.280 stopped killing. And then, as he put it, he fell 530 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:52.969 off the wagon. 531 00:36:55.980 --> 00:37:03.639 Gary would call home and say that, you know, he's 532 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:06.659 going to be late coming home, so he's going to 533 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.719 grab a bite to eat, grab a hamburger, and he'll 534 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.760 be late. When I think back now, that was probably 535 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.119 one time when he was out picking up someone off 536 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:17.440 of the. 537 00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:22.130 Off of the Highway 99 strip. 538 00:37:22.949 --> 00:37:25.869 And then he killed again. 539 00:37:26.989 --> 00:37:28.280 Right in here is where I killed her. 540 00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:30.059 Right in here. 541 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.239 How far. 542 00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:32.980 In? 543 00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:33.260 20 feet. 544 00:37:34.659 --> 00:37:36.260 He would tell me he'd call home and say he's 545 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.719 going to stop at the junkyard on my home from work. 546 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:42.800 And then when he got home, he didn't really have 547 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.449 any parts from that. So that may have been another occasion. 548 00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:55.269 And so after having killed maybe 60 girls from 82 549 00:37:55.269 --> 00:38:01.500 to 85. From 85 to when he was caught in 2001, 550 00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:08.079 the number of victims was more like 10 or 11. 551 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:09.300 Mr. 552 00:38:09.340 --> 00:38:12.190 Ridgeway, how do you plead to the charge of aggravated 553 00:38:12.230 --> 00:38:15.289 murder in the first degree as charged in count one? 554 00:38:15.730 --> 00:38:16.010 Guilty. 555 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:24.000 In 2003, Gary Ridgway made his plea to the 48 556 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.260 charges of murder that investigators could conclusively tie him to. 557 00:38:28.280 -->

00:38:31.079 How do you plead to the charge of aggravated murder 558 00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.760 in the first degree as charged in count five? 559 00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:34.159 Guilty. 560 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.840 When he confessed, and I sat when I sat and 561 00:38:39.590 --> 00:38:41.110 listened to him say guilty. 562 00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:42.289 Mr. 563 00:38:42.329 --> 00:38:44.630 Ridgway, how do you plead to the charge of aggravated 564 00:38:44.670 --> 00:38:48.070 murder in the first degree for the death of Marcia Chapman? 565 00:38:48.969 --> 00:38:49.329 Guilty. 566 00:38:50.170 --> 00:38:52.710 After every one of the names that they had said. 567 00:38:52.989 --> 00:38:55.159 For the death of Mary B. Meehan. 568 00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:55.860 Guilty. 569 00:38:56.860 --> 00:39:00.599 I just sat there and cried, and that's when it 570 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.280 finally sunk in that. 571 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:05.539 This is real. 572 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:11.289 He did it. There's someone else inside of him. When 573 00:39:11.329 --> 00:39:15.269 he went through the door and left to go to work, 574 00:39:15.369 --> 00:39:16.710 he wasn't the man that I knew. 575 00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:19.369 Count 19 for the death of Linda Rule. 576 00:39:20.010 --> 00:39:20.389 Guilty. 577 00:39:22.070 --> 00:39:24.769 I would think back and think about all those years 578 00:39:24.829 --> 00:39:29.210 that I was with him. Were they real? Or was 579 00:39:29.250 --> 00:39:29.909 he just using me? 580 00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:30.139 Me? 581 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.619 How do you plead to the charge of aggravated murder 582 00:39:32.699 --> 00:39:36.199 in the first degree as charged in count 48? 583 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.179 Guilty. 584 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:39.980 I lived. 585 00:39:41.550 --> 00:39:45.469 With him all those years. He could have killed me. 586 00:39:46.369 --> 00:39:48.949 He could have killed my daughters. He could have killed 587 00:39:48.989 --> 00:39:49.710 my grandbabies. 588 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.960 So what made the monster? Was it his unusual upbringing? 589 00:39:58.429 --> 00:40:01.349 Or was Gary Ridgway born to kill? 590 00:40:03.550 --> 00:40:06.670 I still don't believe that any child is born to kill. 591 00:40:07.190 --> 00:40:12.090 But I think some children have a predisposition to violence. 592 00:40:12.429 --> 00:40:16.389 If the child grows up in a safe place for them, 593 00:40:17.289 --> 00:40:20.809 where they feel loved, where they attach, we're never going 594 00:40:20.829 --> 00:40:24.349 to know that that predisposition for violence is there. But 595 00:40:24.409 --> 00:40:28.510 if that child is born into a home where they're afraid, 596 00:40:28.610 --> 00:40:31.920 where they're neglected, where they're abused, then you have the 597 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.300 perfect soil to grow a serial killer. 598 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.400 I think that a boy and his mother have a 599 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:45.769 certain relationship, and when that relationship is different, then I 600 00:40:45.809 --> 00:40:49.670 think that's when we start seeing those kind of switches 601 00:40:49.750 --> 00:40:50.630 turning on and off. 602 00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:56.099 This is one of my ominous signs. She was somewhat 603 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:01.900 seductive and so on. These sorts of unhealthy relationships with 604 00:41:01.940 --> 00:41:02.860 a maternal figure. 605 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.719 People that I've encountered that have prosecuted for murder, I 606 00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:10.719 think that their circumstances have driven them to do what 607 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.079 they have done in the majority of cases that I 608 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:18.130 have handled, I would say. I did not see that 609 00:41:18.170 --> 00:41:23.199 in Ridgeway. I truly believed that he was worn that way, 610 00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:25.699 hardwired that way, whatever you want to say. 611 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.960 The Green River Killer was definitely born to kill. He 612 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.280 was an individual who. 613 00:41:31.539 --> 00:41:40.809 Has this changed gene and culminated in a tremendous number 614 00:41:41.590 --> 00:41:43.389 and intensity of homicides. 615 00:41:43.849 --> 00:41:48.690 His brain is definitely wired differently. He's a psychopath. That 616 00:41:48.730 --> 00:41:54.309 has to be a brain miswiring from the beginning. 617 00:41:54.849 --> 00:41:58.030 I don't know about the nurture nature piece. I think 618 00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:01.179 at some point it's a decision. And I think we 619 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.780 all have some propensities for violence, but you can decide. 620 00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:09.599 You can control it. And he decided how he wanted. 621 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:09.920 To control it. 622 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.980 Nineteen years after Marsha Chapman's body was discovered beneath the 623 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.719 surface of the Green River, Gary Ridgway was sentenced to 624 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:25.449 serve 48 consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole. 625 00:42:29.710 --> 00:42:32.449 In the end, Marsha got her justice because it was 626 00:42:32.489 --> 00:42:38.969 DNA found on her that they could match with Gary Ridgway. 627 00:42:40.510 --> 00:42:41.690 And Marsha got her day. 628 00:42:42.699 --> 00:42:43.500 That was a good day. 629 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:44.739 It was a good day. 630 00:42:46.190 --> 00:42:49.969 Before Ridgeway was led away, Judge Richard Jones instructed him 631 00:42:50.070 --> 00:42:51.590 to face the victim's families. 632 00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:55.030 There's a tremendous amount of emotion that these family members 633 00:42:55.429 --> 00:42:58.639 wanted to pour out for Gary Ridgeway to hear. 634 00:42:59.059 --> 00:43:02.679 I can only hope someone gets the opportunity to choke 635 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:06.500 you unconscious so you can live through the horror that 636 00:43:06.539 --> 00:43:09.840 you put our daughters, our sisters, our mothers through. 637 00:43:10.809 --> 00:43:13.519 The pain would not go away. but it brought them closure. 638 00:43:13.539 --> 00:43:19.519 The one thing that I want you, Jerry Ridgeway, to know, 639 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.559 I was that daughter at home, waiting for my mom 640 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:25.119 to come home. 641 00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:30.889 I think for all of us, as we brought the 642 00:43:30.929 --> 00:43:33.630 families up and introduced them, it was really emotional. 643 00:43:36.429 --> 00:43:40.630 I recall Linda Rule's father. There are people here that 644 00:43:41.789 --> 00:43:49.159 hate you I'm not one of them. A very sympathetic, 645 00:43:49.659 --> 00:43:53.409 very compassionate individual. What God says to do, and that's 646 00:43:53.469 --> 00:43:57.230 to forgive all. So you are forgiven, sir. 647 00:44:01.070 --> 00:44:03.750 On one hand, I'm sitting next to a person who's 648 00:44:03.789 --> 00:44:08.920 done the most inhumane things to other human beings, and 649 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.579 then 15 feet away is a person doing the most 650 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:14.300 humane and merciful thing. 651 00:44:14.900 --> 00:44:18.750 I wanted him to look out see the pain, see 652 00:44:18.769 --> 00:44:21.309 the anger, and see all the agony that he had 653 00:44:21.369 --> 00:44:23.929 caused in his lifetime. I wanted him to take that 654 00:44:23.969 --> 00:44:26.989 visual image with him back to prison. So for the 655 00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:30.269 balance of his life, that would be the last public 656 00:44:30.329 --> 00:44:31.369 image that he had. 657 00:44:31.989 --> 00:44:35.360 You took from me my firstborn child. May her soul 658 00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:38.699 and the soul of the other 47 victims rest in peace. 659 00:44:46.539 --> 00:44:54.909 I think that's a good thing. I think that's a 660 00:44:54.969 --> 00:44:56.250 good thing.