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Start as one of uh David's poems here, but then it just grew into something bigger than both of us could ever imagine.
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Uh it's me on Keys and Dave Singh.
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Can you believe this is our job?
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All right, fire away.
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Fire, all right, two, three, four.
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Hello, and welcome to Screen Generation, a show about the films released by Stony under the label Screen Jams.
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If you made it through that, I think it's only fair to warn you this is going to be a good episode.
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It inevitably will get better.
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I made sure to have a solid guest because this title is a well-trodden territory in Cinephile and Podcast Circles Alike.
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So, to help me out with this mess, I have a writer, I have a director, I have an ambassador to the New Mexican film industry.
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Here's my conversation with Andrew Jada.
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So, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening to Screen Generation, it's the podcast about the movies that Sony released under their label Screen Gems.
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I'm your host, Devin Hughes, and today we have a guest.
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The reason we have a guest is because there's not enough research I can do on this movie to take up a good half hour of time.
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I it no one's gonna have like a hot take that no one else has already made.
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So really I use it as an excuse to invite one of my friends, and you know, he he does have uh a connection to the film industry, so this should be very informative.
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Ladies and gentlemen, uh we have a writer, we have a director, we have an ambassador for New Mexico filmmaking, and uh I really just say I'm so happy to have her.
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Um uh take it away, Andrew Hada.
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Hi, yes, well, thank you for having me.
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Yeah, I'm a writer director, and I am the film liaison here at Film Las Cruces.
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That's a better name, sorry.
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Well, there's yeah.
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There's some of them call them film liaisons, they used to be called film commissioners, so there's so many different things.
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That sounds more government official.
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Yeah, I feel like film commissioner sounds cool.
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It sounds uh elected.
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Yeah, you know, like there was a runoff and yeah, there's authority behind it.
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Yeah, he doesn't want to make horror movies, and then he's like, it's like, what's the no romantic comedies are gonna sell?
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Yeah.
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The politics, if they were just about filmmaking, would be so much better.
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Right.
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Right.
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So um last time that we uh actually sat down and uh recorded the conversation, you were promoting the empty space, right?
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And you were screening it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That was uh a couple years ago, and we had I think that was when we were about to release it.
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So we were we had a screening for it.
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Uh for the premiere, actually, I think it was.
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And um uh that movie it took quite a while from when you shot it to finishing the editing process, right?
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Right.
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Yeah, it took a little bit.
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I think it took about two years just trying to get it in between like your day job and all that kind of stuff.
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And then it took a while for it.
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Once it was edited, then we uh we actually got into the festivals at about the right when COVID started.
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So then we took a year off because COVID did.
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Um and then it slowly came back, and then so it it was actually quite a journey from like finishing it.
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I think it was two years to edit, and then like three, four years between it, going to the festivals and then getting distributed.
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Um I I kind of remember in the opening of the movie the uh your protagonist is like ordering uh like Chinese food.
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Oh yeah.
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And uh it it it's funny because uh before the pandemic, no one would have thought really just uh you know, isolating yourself or you know, getting a takeout would be, you know, like a uh it would be like a red flag.
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And then after the pandemic, everyone has just kept doing it.
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Yeah, I have thought about that because the first scene is her trying to get the delivery guy or delivery girl to put the food down and there's money like on the side, and they it's like too weird.
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And now, like, I don't think anyone's seen a delivery guy in like two years, and everyone just uses drop off, you know.
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Because we would consider it too weird.
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You know, it's like you're working for me, really?
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Yeah, I was ahead of the curve.
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Well, and I did uh my first film was called The Last Ones, and it was all about a pandemic, and like we had posters because the first Yeah, before it was cool, yeah.
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I started it.
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No, uh there was scenes like where we had because it takes place in a school, and there was like the kid posters of like wear your mask and dispose of it properly and wash your hands.
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And it's funny to see those posters like come to life and like be a part of things.
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Um can you tell me that uh um uh the new movie you're promoting is a short film, right?
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Yes, yeah.
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Right now we have The Shadow, which actually stars Valerie Eileen from The Empty Space, which is a project that started off smaller, but I wanted to work with her again, so we kind of expanded on it.
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And we shot it at the county courthouse, the abandoned one that's here in downtown Las Cruces.
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It was a lot of fun.
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It's about a security guard who she's like they've turned this place into a haunted house.
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So she's watching it during the day, uh, between the hauntings, and then she starts to see a shadow, and she can't figure out where it's from, and she doesn't know what it is, and so it kind of starts to she becomes obsessed with it and starts to like trying to figure out what it is and whether it's sinister or not.
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Well, um I I I really hope to uh catch it.
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Am I gonna have any other opportunity besides uh which festival is it?
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It's the So the next one is this uh uh Savin Lens Festival in Albuquerque, and then it's in the Cali Scare Us uh film festival at the end of this month.
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But we're hoping to put it in on my YouTube page, which is just Hot of Films.
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Um we're just waiting on, I think it's two more festivals because a lot of them have rules about you can't put it out until it is uh until it's like or you can't it can't be online or we won't accept it.
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So I have two more exclusivity of it.
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Exactly.
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But also they are gonna show it at the rap on Monday here in Las Cruces at the Rio Grande Theater.
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Yeah.
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Very cool.
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Okay, I'll catch it then.
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Yeah.
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Um I hate to get us uh sidetracked, but it's also uh any excuse to watch a John Carpenter movie is a good thing.
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And like even a bad movie, or one of his, you say, on the on the spectrum of his less great films.
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You have this, and uh like if it weren't for memoirs of an invisible man or uh uh uh maybe the uh the ward, this would definitely be in contention for his possibly his worst movie.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And it was his last theatrical film.
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So that's another kind of fun thing about it, is that like the last time you saw John Carpenter was kind of ripping off himself.
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Well, yeah, um uh so the reason that Screen Gems were able to like uh uh uh to distribute this movie is because they paid for it.
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They had they gave him the budget, and like uh he I'm trying to think what studio he had been working for uh for it's paramount.
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But the last like three films that he had made, including Vampires, like um it was struggling to make its budget back.
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So they they cut him loose, he wants to make this movie, but uh like Screen Gems is like, oh Sony, give us the you know, give us the credit card and let's put this out.
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They make bad decisions when they produce movies.
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Um the the coolest thing about uh the show is that I've got to discover a bunch of movies that were never really marketed to a person my age at the time, you know.
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Like in the late 90s, I was eight years old.
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Yeah, you know, and so uh like there's no reason for how I say black romantic comedies or you know, just uh these niche horror movies really to come across the Nickelodeon feed.
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Yeah.
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But uh but but um uh like the ones that they acquired when they were at a festival and then distributed, they made money off of like that was the the their strategy really was to look for um undersold like audiences and then give them content actually made for them.
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So like when it came to the black cinema, we have really good black directors now, we have full black casts, and they can make them for black audiences, and that's gonna cross over to uh relate to white kids too and stuff.
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The um the problem was like before that it was black exploitation, which kind of does give uh give you this with uh um Pam Greer.
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And it's like uh so Pam Greer being used in these two John Carpenter movies, especially Escape from LA too.
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It's like I don't know why she's doing this.
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Because like she's beheaded in this one.
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Yeah, in the other one, they make her a trans man.
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Like uh and I find her still in this, she looks still great, you know.
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Like she's the tough one.
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I you if you could do like a swap of you know, um uh uh Natasha Hendrich with her with her, right?
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You might actually have something that i is interesting, you know, because like
she's the matriarchal society is maybe the coolest thing about the movie.
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Yeah, and I think that's interesting, and also I do think that Natasha Hendrich, her performance is kind of the worst thing about it.
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She's just so like robotic.
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Yeah, and I think she's going for like that stoic kind of almost snake pliskin, but she doesn't have like even a bit of personality, so it makes it hard to even attach herself to her.
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For the entire runtime, as high as balls, does not look like her.
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She never looks unfloofed.
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And I I think even John Carpenter and her butted heads on production, so it's like I wonder what he was trying to get her to do and what she was just like not doing, you know.
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It does make you think the decision to make this movie either more funny or or more of a like a um I hate to do this as a filmmaker.
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Um uh have you read Save the Cat by Blake Snyder?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so um, I hate him.
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I I I I think he's a total uh quack, but you know, quacks are right sometimes.
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Right.
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And uh the only thing I really like, I like Pope in the Pool, and I love double mumbo jumbo.
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Yeah.
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The idea that you shouldn't be mixing so many elements that people stop, you know, their ability to, you know, suspend disbelief.
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Right, right.
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And so with this, what genre is this movie?
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Yeah.
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Like is it a because it's like a a body swapping movie or like a and I feel like it kind of almost separates itself in half where there's that virus that's kind of going around and infecting everyone.
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But then after a while, that virus does not come into play anymore.
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And it's they're just mowing people down and not being taken over by them, right?
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And before it's such a big problem where it goes into anyone, like it floats around and we see the perspective.
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And then, like, to me, that was very scary.
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Like, oh, it could literally take over anyone, doesn't matter.
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But then there's just kind of like, ah, it's it's fine, it sits out there.
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He executes that perfectly in the team in the thing, like uh it'll turn you into a monster when you get found out.
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Yeah.
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But otherwise, you know, you're a perfectly usable part of the team.
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Right, right.
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Then I think about it, most of Carpenter's movies are kind of about your solo protagonist, and then when you actually have a team thing, it's always them falling apart.
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Right.
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So with this one, too, it's all uh from the moment Pam Greer's head is put on that spike, you're like, oh, they're all gonna die.
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Right.
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And it uh I don't know um to pop it up and on the let's actually kind of like play a game now, right?
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Like I'm thinking, uh I do feel uh like you know, I put directors on a pedestal, so I imagine you guys like cops in the 80s.
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You just walk into the station and then like you know, whoever your lieutenant is like, you know, it's like just hey, hada, my office! You know, just uh it's like you're an artist, we don't like artists.
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It's like I'm putting a gun for hire, damn it.
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It's like it's a script, it's called John Carter of Mars.
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No, it's called John Carpenter's Ghost to Mars.
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Yeah.
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And and uh like here's the thing.
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If this were just a script, this movie, and it had everything that we see on screen on the page, yeah, would you get like a red pen and start carving some shit out so that it becomes a simpler movie?
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I think I don't know.
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It's such a weird because like almost on paper, it sounds like it could be a good idea.
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It's like half of it's a thing, half of it's Escape from New York, and it's directed by John Carpenter who's put them together and it's like, how can he mess this up?
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But then you watch it and you're like, okay, I see now.
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I'm like, it kind of starts to fall apart with the fact that, like, yeah, I think it's what you're saying, where he wants to do too many things because there's also the Russian on aspect of the storytelling where it's different perspective.
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It's also a courtroom drama.
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How do you sneak that in?
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Where it's a military tribunal where you have all these, like, you know, I don't know, butch ladies.
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Yeah.
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A military tribunal where at the very beginning they say, oh, you're not in trouble.
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And so it's like, so where are the stakes in this?
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Why are you telling us any of this?
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You know, but it's also that's like what a cop tells you before you admit to everything, you know.
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So it's like, I'm guessing that like if she had answered wrong, they would have taken her right back and shot her because it's a John Carpenter movie.
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Actually, okay, when you think about this, it's supposed to be futuristic.
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Like you're supposed to be depicting the future.
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The silliest thing is it's like, why are they not on a dropship instead of a train?
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Yeah.
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And because also that's the that is the nice excuse of the dropship flies away, and then you gotta wait for it to return.
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As opposed to it, it's on rails, man.
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Just walk along the the you know the until you find it.
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Well, then there's like there's no real communications, they're using walkie-talkies that we have today.
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Yeah.
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And then uh like the the breathing devices that go in your eyes, and like I said, the only thing that's actually like futuristic is the drugs.
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Yeah, there's clear, and then there's that inhaler thing, you know, with the whippets.
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And they have the they have even their guns.
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They even have which is to me the most like cut this part out, is uh the scientist who comes in on the hot air balloon and it's kind of wizard of all.
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Yeah, and I was like, what?
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And I, you know, you look, you think about Escape from LA.
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There's also the scene where they're flying on the paragliders, like and I was like, did John Carburn just really love like things flying through the air?
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That the surfing scene, the um the little submersible he gets out of where you know it cleans it up.
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And then the helicopter, the bad, bad CGI in that, but also it it drifted over to this movie.
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And in the beginning, we're like uh uh when we're having the tribunal, they have all those map paintings of the city and they just age well.
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Yeah.
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But it's also that's the element of like you know, the Western being brought into it.
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So I kind of know is the campiness of it always kind of makes me like it because I like Carpenter to begin with.
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I yeah.
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And it it's funny like how many of his strengths aren't being utilized.
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I mean, the fact that they're all kind of stuck in that the police station for a while with Desolation Williams, but like you don't feel that kind of anxiety that he brings to like Escape from New York or to even to Assault and Precinct 13, like when it's like I know you know how to do this because I've seen you
do this so many times.
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Well, like are you He can build tension because he understands how to like you know, a fuse that's like slowly burning down, and it's like you know, it it doesn't help in Escape from LA that they do the exact same thing again, where it's like you know, it's like infect you and then you're not really yeah.
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I um I and I have no idea, I have no problem with him returning to his trucks.
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Right.
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Like uh it it's I don't know, it's like if it's an action movie, we're at the table, I ordered it for the table, and a bunch of people like it.
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Guess what?
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Everyone's gonna try it.
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Yeah, and it's just uh you can't do a bad combination of it.
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But I I uh I don't know, this is a weird, misguided one, and I uh I don't know.
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I let me think if uh if there's anything else I I want to drop on this before we can actually like uh slowly abandon.
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Um uh so one thing I do like about it, Jason Statham and I have the same hair.
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Like, ain't growing on the top, bro.
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You gotta do something about it, all right?
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Like, and he's so close to being the transporter, and you know, like assuming that persona, like uh he's acting in this movie, and he's not a trained actor, so him being a slimy little dude, uh he comes out like it's the cast of this film is like you have Ice Cube, you have Pam Greer, you have Jason Statham, you have Chloe DeVault, and it's like, why are you guys like why are you in here to die in two minutes?
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You know, they're way too capable, right?
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And they're way too likable is another thing, yeah.
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Louis DeVault especially works in the matriarchal society because she all her early casting was all based on the audience being like, she's a lesbian, right?
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Right.
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It's just uh we're trying to um the faculty and uh boda amate cheerleader, like yeah, she's closeted for all of that.
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But uh when she eventually does come out, we're like called it.
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Yeah, and uh I had a huge crush on her when I was younger.
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Yeah.
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So uh them also meeting their uh desks, like most of them kind of off-screen.
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Right, right.
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Well, and it's it's funny because like I mean, I think, yeah, this was even before Snatch for Jason State Thumb.
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And so you almost put more importance on his character because of who he is now, and then he's just gone.
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Like he just gets his head cut off or something, you know.
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And it's it's very funny how like the how willing the movie is to just kind of kill characters off, which is kind of in its favor, you know.
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That's one thing that you're not expecting.
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It's not uh um precious.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, Pam Greer is one of the first ones who gets taken out, and so it's like maybe she just did it as a favor to Carpenter, like, I'll be there for two days, you know.
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Um how about as a character?
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We're uh talking about Ice Cube is desolation, but not a horrible name, but for some reason it I it doesn't do hit the right in my brain the same way as Snake Pliskin does.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I feel like just because Ice Cube doesn't, and I mean it doesn't help that he's wearing like camo orange pants.
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No one looks dumb in the character.
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Guess what?
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He got fashion right too in the future.
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We all were gonna look stupid, all right, and wear a lot of black and you know, yeah.
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But there's something about Ice Cube that he has like an authoritative, but he doesn't have like a rule breaker personas per se, you know.
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So you don't you're never really scared that he's actually gonna hurt anyone other than the bad guys.
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So it kind of takes away from the fact that like with Snake Pliskan, it's like we don't even know if he's gonna he cares enough to fulfill his mission.
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With Desolation Williams, it's like, well, he's also like also his bumbling, like his brother and his gang is they're such like blockheads that we know dose and threats.
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There's that Z where that uh where I think it threads cuts his finger off.
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He's trying to open the can.
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Okay, as a kid, as a kid, some parts of this movie were were brutal on me, man.
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Like the um the transformation and uh you know the filing teeth and cut cutting teams, that really did uh uh uh let it go.
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But yeah, like when I was younger, I was scared of it actually.
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Like it it has body horror in it, you know.
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So like that all is effective.
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The practical elements of this movie are effective, you know.
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I'm like, if you would you do just wonder if you could kill actually the entity in the body, like they can only possess once, you know.
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It's like a or they have to sit in home base or some bullshit like that, gamify it, you know.
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Yeah.
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Being that Garpinger loves video games and getting high, it's strange that a lot of his movies don't have those rules of uh of a linear story, right?
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Like and so like a lot of movies have a lot of games taken from his genre, really.
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Like I always think um like Metal Gear Solid is so indebted to him.
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Yeah.
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Like just the snake character.
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But uh like uh why when a movie like this could have an objective goal, you know.
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Uh people complain about it now, where it's like, well, this movie's like a video game where it's like no one cares about uh no one hates on dread.
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You know, the the raid.
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It's like I like a goal.
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I like to know when they're if there's a winner or a loser.
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Yeah, especially with this movie where it's like, yeah, I'd like to know what the stakes are in in terms of everything that's going on.
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My guess is you just gotta leave Mars.
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Yeah.
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Like I I don't think they're gonna be following you, but like uh like uh there's just no winning if when you kill kill one, it just takes over another one of your boys.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think it's also like I I think that you have there's no like, oh, is this him?
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Because he's like, they start cutting off their phase and cutting that their hands.
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It's like it's very clear when they get taken over.
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They're um simple when they uh get taken over, right?
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It's like for a second, it's like, oh, you got a real bad head injury.
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Right.
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And then, oh no, uh, find something sharp, or like, you know, just uh I'll make this decoration out of like barbed wire.
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You know, that the aesthetic of this movie is really cool, but it's also uh I I would compare it a lot to like an entry-level Star Trek episode or something.
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Yeah, and I think the whole thing for TV thing is yeah, and that's a great way to put it because I think the whole movie looks like a TV show, like it's so evenly lit.
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And I mean clearly it was filmed on a set, but if I think if they had tweaked the lighting even 20%, it would have made that movie so much better.
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Because like the main bad guy who's like the long-haired kind of uh Marilyn Marilyn Manson type guy, if he was lit where you don't see him as much all the time, I think it would make him scarier.
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But you see him like under full lights, every detail is made out, it's like that just looks like you know a hot topic employee, you know.
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Well, that also speaks to you being kind of a horror director.
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It's like it's more scary what you can't see because your brain makes it uh better.
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Like it just uh it's better when sharp uh when uh Jaws hasn't actually come out of the water.
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It's like that's a big ass shark.
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Yeah.
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And I think one of the best scenes is a scene where they're walking through at the very beginning, and there's a doctor who's stuck, who's like locked himself in the van or in the room, and then he's like, don't open it, and she keeps trying to open it until eventually he he offs himself to keep her safe.
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And like that first part where it's like people are willing to do this just to like not interact with you, like they don't know what's going on.
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That's pretty freaky, and it does help that he's under, he's not under the studio lights, he's under the car.
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Um I wanted to just say if I could uh remake this movie, I would uh um are you familiar with the Edgar Wright um the third in the Cornetto trilogy?
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It's um World's End.
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Yeah, the World's End.
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So when the in the World's End, every like pub location that they go in the crawl, they get progressively more drunk and then they fight more, right?
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Yeah.
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And so like if this were that where it's like they realize when like Natasha Hendrix has just, you know, been taken over, they they give her the drugs, and then it kicks it out.
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It should have been like, oh, we all have to get really drunk.
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Yeah.
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And then imagine them like with their automatic gunfire, like not hitting anything, you know, just like tripping over each other and stuff.
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It would be so funny.
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Yeah.
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And uh I that also just uh like uh then it would be like um uh you could actually stick a message into this because there's no like uh there's no uh what do you call it, explorer and native message in this movie.
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There's supposed to be something that pre-existed before our colonization of Mars.
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And it's not like we wronged it, we shouldn't have gone into the whatever Pandora's little cavern thing, but right, but it's it's it's it's
not us actually um usually the story would be like you know, the the loggers go into the forest, they start cutting it down, and then they find something dangerous in it, like uh an illness or something, and that's nature like defending itself.
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Right.
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And so, like, why are these things doing it to us?
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I I um another thing I do like uh even though I would cut them out of the movie, I do like the ghosts have like that Sam Raimi flying first person into stuff.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like like I you can tell the carpenter was just like, oh man, why can I use that for something?
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I bet he wanted to do it for bats and vampires, and it's just like we don't got the budget.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's all gone to James Wood's leather jacket.
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Yeah.
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Talk about it though.
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In vampires, they're not scared to kill off all the vampire slayers in the beginning.
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That's also true.
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And then let James Woods be James Woods.
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Yeah.
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Like, and I guess that is a you know, even in Escape from the LA, you have Pam Gur, and they all just kind of get got at the end.
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So that is part of Carpenter's kind of style, if you think about it.
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He's willing to, like, yeah, we'll just kill him.
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Like, we'll put the dock in the in the
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However, I'm I I do kind of think because uh Carpenter can't get out of his own psychology with stuff.
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His view of the future is the view of the future.
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So I was kind of thinking that um in um especially in Escape from LA, the president is like a uh he's a religious figure that you know has begun deporting everyone he dis uh disapproves of to you know Los Angeles.
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Yeah.
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And um like uh it it's kind of funny, but uh um Robert Heinlein had this book uh called The Moon is a harsh mistress, and it's about people that have been deported to the moon because uh it's a penal colony now.
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Right.
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And the first thing that happened was that it was a matriarchy because um the power dynamic was switched because women were at such a discrepancy to men.
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Okay, so yeah, I I I always kind of think about it if you're having trouble dating in El Paso or Las Cruces, go to Hobbes.
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Right.
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Because if you are a single woman in Hobbes, men will like, you know, they will fist fight.
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Yes, to buy you a drink.
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Yeah, just to the sense of a woman really would drive them into a rage.
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And so, like, uh it's it's about the power structure, and just like if there's not enough of them, you would have a matriarchal society.
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You probably would also have a polyamorous society.
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Right.
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If it's a small group of people, you would want genetic diversity for the next generation.
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Yeah.
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And you know, it's a the only way you can actually think to do that would be most women having multiple husbands.
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Right, right.
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And so, like, uh I I don't know, I that that idea would come to me.
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What if uh, you know, Los Angeles gets all, you know, it's like it's an it's an eyesore.
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Like there are people live in California, damn it.
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And so they start deporting people to Mars because they're also talking about this, like it's a mining colony, it like um it doesn't seem like contractors would ever uh like you know choose to go there.
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People are are like, you know, it's like the second wave because the uh uh whatever terraforming has you know improved the oxygen quality, right?
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And uh so like uh eventually there will be farming, eventually there will be all that.
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But that is the same way of taking like um uh slave labor.
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They talk about a Martian year being two years, so you make like a uh uh a deal with a uh a company very uh very alien.
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You know, you make a deal to uh to be a contractor, and then you get there and it's like, wait, how long's a year?
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Yeah, and they can maybe just extend it too if you're bad at being a minor, or right, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, and I think the matriarchy aspect of it is like the least explored because they could have, and I think that's where you it majorly fumbles because like the idea of Desolation Williams, like what would a criminal in this world be?
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If anything, he should have been like super smooth and like very caring to kind of blend in so he can kind of get the to capitalize on they do talk about men being in less of a supply for for them, and it's like the good genetics to to breed and stuff.
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So like I I don't know.
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He does talk about um uh him being at the ends with law for like his entire life, and then he says, I've never, you know, it's like it's like you have all those guns, you know, it's like never killed
anybody, or it's like uh or I didn't kill nobody, and it's like how do I immediately believe him?
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It's just like man, it it maybe being uh you know, being maybe being black on Mars was just like being black in the 60s or something.
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Right, right.
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You were just ostracized, yeah, yeah.
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And I mean it does make sense because Uno Dos and Thres are also uh minorities, so yeah, yeah.
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So shit, I didn't even think about it.
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All the white guys that are in the little commando group, they're part of Aryan type looking dudes.
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:33.519
Yeah.
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Whose hair's thing?
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:40.480
But we're kind of at the at the end of anything I need to uh say on this movie.
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:46.720
The um thing is for my show, uh I I don't make this to it's also the reason I asked you to be here.
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I don't make this to shit on these movies.
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Right.
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Like I'm trying to appreciate things that really um uh with Screen Gems, like a lot of these movies are forgotten because they had limited release, and then maybe they stretched it out for home rental and stuff like that, but it was just um probably not gonna find them on streaming services or anything like that, just because they were small movies.
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:13.839
Because of that, like you know, uh, I do also realize people worked on these things, people worked hard on I it would suck to to work on this movie and then uh it comes out and it's like it's one of the worst car movies.
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:14.480
What?
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And it's like I tried, and so uh I uh I I don't even uh grade them on their quality, I grade them on uh whether or not I'm ever gonna watch them again or show them to somebody.
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:27.279
Yeah, and this movie that's an obvious yes.
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:27.599
Yeah.
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I can just turn it on and leave it for the soundtrack.
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Like uh some parts of this movie are good.
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Like and I don't know.
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Um uh uh tell me about it.
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:38.960
Like, do you have a uh physical media collection at home?
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:39.680
Yeah, yeah.
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I've been collecting DVDs and Blu-rays since they came out, you know.
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It's just uh to me, movies look better that way a lot of the time.
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Well, um uh I'm saying I'm having kind of a renaissance now because I'm deciding to really like get out of the streaming biz.
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You know, it just uh it um it seems like a big opportunity to suddenly lose a bunch of art that I've already paid for once.
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:01.599
Right, right.
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And uh like uh the uh at the time when a DVD was coming out and it was$20, like the the dollar was doing better back then too.
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:22.960
So like um when you can go into a thrift store and buy, you know, especially screen jums, they identify themselves so well, they're always on the on the bridge of the so uh like you know I can go in there, like pick from my list and then like uh walk out not having spent five dollars, you know.
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Right.
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So uh I my appreciation is I'm gonna hold on to this thing probably forever, you know.
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Just uh it because now completionism is my thing.
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:31.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:40.640
I'm thinking it's a perfect time for you to do a couple plugs to like try to get whatever audience we have listening to, you know, like follow you you know further in your career.
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.960
Yeah, I mean, if you want to follow me on social media, the best way to do it is Hada Films.
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:50.960
Uh it's the name of my uh YouTube page where I have my short films and I have trailers to the feature films.
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:56.720
And then it's also my name on Instagram and on Facebook, uh on Twitter too, but nobody uses Twitter anymore.
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.079
But like you can find me there.
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There's like when we have like when we're able to release a shadow, we'll be able to put it on there.
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.640
Of course, I have my films, The Empty Space, uh, which is like a cosmic horror.
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:14.079
We have uh The Last Ones, which is uh Borderlands is uh like an exploitation male, kind of like a midnight movie.
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.279
Um, and then we have uh The Last Ones, which is the zombie film.
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:25.599
Those are all on 2B, you can find them on 2B, Borderlands The Last Ones and Um The Empty Space, you can find them on Screamify or on Screen Box.
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.759
But they're a lot of fun, they're they're cool movies to watch.
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:36.960
You know, we made them last ones uh was shot in El Paso, Empty Space was shot in Las Cruces and El Paso, Portland's is also shot in El Paso, so you have that kind of hometown feel.
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.000
And so they're a lot of fun.
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.880
So like if you guys want to follow my work, you can find it there.
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:51.519
Um actually um uh being that uh what do you call it, you're working with film Las Cruces, is there any um uh local productions of stuff that uh like um uh people could use to see what Las Cruces is?
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.279
I was thinking um there's the um the Rio Kitamora movie.
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Um the Price We Pay.
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--> 00:28:59.839
Oh yeah, yeah.
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There's if you go to our website, you'll find we have a list of all the movies that were shot here in Las Cruces.
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Uh Price We Pay was a big one.
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.720
There was um In the Summers, which just came out last year, one Sundance.
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:20.240
Um there is uh the I'll Be Gone in June, which just opened a Cannes, and actually stars uh Bianca Dumas, who's gonna be in My Next Project Followed, which we're finishing now.
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:25.359
Um so yeah, there's a lot of movies that have been shot here that you can kind of see what Las Cruces can do.
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:37.359
There's films from locals like The Empty Space, or there was um uh Hidden Flora by Ryan Rox, but there's also um like In the Summers or Tyler Perry's college road trip.
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.519
The big finale is actually filmed in Las Cruces.
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Oh, yeah.
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.519
Um so there's uh there's a lot of good movies.
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If you go to our website, which is just filmlascruces.com, there's a filmography page, and you can kind of see all the movies, and we try to put where they are too.
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I I brought up the the Ryu Kitamura movie because um I think special Cinephiles would just be like um they'll remember verses.
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And uh just like it's like a a filmmaker grabbing two different action figures and making them into a movie.
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:09.759
And it's just uh um Yakuza versus you know zombie samurai's is kind of like ooh, you're playing with like you know, just it's the double mumbo jumbo of easy care.
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Yeah, you know.
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Well, and also murder me train, like people love that movie.
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They talk about that movie so much that I think it might have almost ruined Bradley Cooper's career, right?
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Like uh you were talking about Snatch, it's like uh I love Vinny Jones, you know.
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Like I um in my show I've kind of established that uh there are a couple superpowers that people in you know in the film industry have.
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And so like I always think there's the power of charisma over talent.
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Right.
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And so uh like my example for that is usually like Danny Trejo, Michelle Rodriguez, and I was using Jason Statham, however he was an actor in this one.
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But it's like once they found out who they were, they are that person in this movie so that they can do some like it's you know shorthand.
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Yeah, you know, it's it's just it saves you a little bit of work because it's like, no, I know Michelle Rodriguez is tough in any goddamn movie she's in.
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And uh like so Danny Trejo doesn't even need a name, he just needs to show up, and you know.
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I joke that the like the lines in his face are better than a million dollar script, man.
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He just uh he I don't know.
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Um is it in heat his name is Trejo?
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Yeah.
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I think there's a bunch of movies where his name's Trejo or uh machete or um when he dies in heat, that is the saddest thing ever.
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Yeah.
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He does the It's like uh Darth Vader going, no.
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Yeah.
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The power of uh like ambivalence, I think, was the the other one I went, where it's just uh like Guy Richie will make the same movie, but he doesn't care because he made this Sean Rev movie.
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Yeah, or um uh that that would be the um the Carpenter thing, which did not work in this case, where he did not care about what people thought about you know modern filmmaking, and then he just used all of his old tricks, and this time it just didn't work.
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Yeah.
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And I wonder if it was because like he had just come off, like you were saying, of Paramount.
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So it was like remember on the Invisible Man, and those were more like guarded by the studios.
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I remember after he was like, I never want to work for the studio.
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Can you imagine watching the dailies for this movie?
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Like, what the fuck's he doing?
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I know not in a lot of people.
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Like I I was like, well, this looks cool.
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Like uh and it's like I this thing ghosts is such a turnoff for me, man.
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Yeah.
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Because there are ghosts in this movie, it does not need to be explained, you know?
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Right, right.
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I don't know, they they don't have typical rules.
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The last movie I did was about vampires, and it was it was also kind of just like no, fuck it.
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We don't really need to follow any of the tropes.
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It's like they're gonna start drinking blood and you're gonna get it.
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Yeah.
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You know, I so I I really do thank you for coming.
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Oh, well, thank you.
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Yeah, you you you really did uh you lent a lot of uh legitimacy to uh to a podcast about really just uh talking about movies to have somebody who's in it.
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Well, cool.
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Well, thank
you.
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Yeah, thanks for having me on.
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I had a lot of fun and I love, I mean, Carpenter is such a big influence on on my films and on my you know, writing and especially like my music choices that I use.
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So I love talking about Carpenter, so it's always fun to do it.
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So thank you for having me.
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Well, and uh I just I I said it before, the worst carpenter is still better than a lot of movies.
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Exactly.
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There's always something you can learn from Carpenter either way, yeah.
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.880
Thank you for listening to my conversation with Andrew Hada.
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He's a truly sweet man who makes some scary movies, which you can watch anywhere on TV.
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Before we sat down and started recording, I was sort of explaining my show's premise, and it dawned on me like the sun when you're hungover.
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I'm gonna be doing this for the next two years.
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So I'm gonna have fun with it.
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And I gotta let it go when I mess up.
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That being said, we recorded in beautiful Las Cruces, New Mexico, and the external shots of this movie, Mars, if you will, was shot a bit north of Rio Rancho in Zill Pueblo.
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It's like a three and a half hour drive.
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I had my notes on me.
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Why didn't I say that?
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Also, we talked at length about the Matriarchal Society, but why didn't I notice the movie passes the Victal test?
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Bear with me, we got a lot of movies to go.
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My name is Evan Hughes, and you've been listening to Before You've Been Possessed by my podcast, which is about the films released by Sony under the labeled Screen Jems.
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Next week, we're continuing to explore the Morris Chestnut Soccer, and it's so much better than the brothers.
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Play the trailer for two play that cast.
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I don't believe him.
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Oh, he's the dog.
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You tell me to say that you know the 411 on the feather.
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I don't want to toot my own more, but baby.
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Never met her mad.
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Double net.
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Better.
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Okay.
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The lines have been drawn.
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Eleven war.
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Maintain military silence.
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Okay, baby's keys.
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Can we call, okay?
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You have eleven messages.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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The tides have been chosen in the amateur.
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Yeah, well.
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And the battle of the Texas is going to be an all-out war.
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I don't understand.
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No, because a man can have a mouthful of gold teeth and be broke as a real design.
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Rebecca A.
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Fox, Anthony Anderson.
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Does the back of my neck really look like this?
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Wendy Raquel Robinson, Bobby Brown, Pamela Jones, Monique.
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But what is this?
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We need some meat.
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:29.599
With Gabrielle Union and Marit Chestnut and Keith, I need to get back to being the player that I used to be.
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Play off.
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In a comedy that proves when men start playing around, it's my good job.
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Women will eat in the store.
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You know he's not a man.
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He's romantic, certainly not acting like it.
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Well, perhaps he wouldn't be if he didn't have a little hooch like you and behind him all the time.
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You want me to handle this for you?
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I got the situation under control.
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I'll get scared.
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Because two can play that game.
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Women, it's some emotional creatures pretty soon.
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Women are just gonna be pulling these hand trips on us, and you know what's gonna happen?
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We're gonna be the ones changing the diaper.
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They gonna be sitting on our couches watching football on our Sunday, dog.
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That's what's gonna happen.
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This is much bigger than you, man.
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Bigger than me?
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That's way bigger than you.
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Woo!
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Alright, we'll be back next week.
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Back next week.