# Joel Makower

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The trouble with 'carbon neutral' — and what comes next

Solitaire Townsend and Joel Makower dive deep into the messy, confusing and often misleading world of corporate carbon claims. “Carbon neutral” once carried a certain promise. When Interface, the carpet company, popularized the phrase two decades ago, it felt like a step forward — an early signal ‮…

208: The Hidden Secrets Behind Profit-Driven Climate Action with Joel Makower

There’s a spectrum of ways to fight against climate change and smart, intentional business lies right in the middle of that spectrum. Joel Makower, Chairman of Trellis Group and a pioneering figure in green business practices takes us behind the scenes of the economics of climate action in this re‮…

The unsustainable world of sustainability thought leadership

What does it mean to be a corporate sustainability thought leader these days? In this episode Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend delve into that question, confronting a paradox at the heart of corporate sustainability: At the very moment when business needs to step up and help shape the sustaina‮…

The Bestest and Worstest of Times for ESG Comms EP 34

This week, Jennifer and Kati sit down with Joel Makower, chairman and co-founder of Trellis Group, for a candid conversation about the current state of sustainability communications after 35+ years in the field. Joel shares why we're living with higher highs and lower lows than ever before. We ex‮…

What climate comedians can teach us about storytelling

What can climate communicators learn from stand-up comedians? Quite a lot, it turns out. Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend sit down with Stuart Goldsmith — climate comedian, podcaster, and Live at the Apollo veteran — and Esteban Gast, the Colombian-American comedian behind the Climate Comedy Co‮…

Sustainability's Reset Moment - with Joel Makower

Joel Makower, Chairman and Co-founder of Trellis Group (formerly GreenBiz Group), returns to Sustainable Nation for a wide-ranging conversation on the state of corporate sustainability in 2026. Joel shares findings from Trellis's just-released State of the Sustainability Profession report, digs in‮…

S1.E2: How Technology Is Shaping Every Global System Transition

AI and clean tech are converging to influence the pace and nature ofkey systems transition. AI is the great accelerator — but accelerating in the wrong direction is still the wrong direction. In this episode, Wayne and Sally explore the double-edged nature of technology: a powerful enabler of ever‮…

Joel Makower - Networking Opportunities and Support for Businesses in the Sustainability Sector

Joel Makower is the CEO and Chairman of the Trellis Group, formerly Green Bizz. A nationally syndicated journalist and author of more than a dozen books, he has been a strong voice and champion of sustainability for 35 years, aggregating content and convening major conferences to spur action. Gree‮…

The tangible intangibles of sustainability events

Sustainability conferences are expensive, exhausting, and logistically brutal — so why does everyone keep going? Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend dig into the real business case for in-person events: not the keynotes or panels, but the peer connections, chance encounters, and hallway conversati‮…

A new political coalition may be forming — what sustainability professionals need to do

What do data centers, energy shocks, extreme weather, Flock cameras and anti-oligarch anger have in common — and could they add up to something new? Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend dig into whether the public is starting to connect a handful of "wild card" events, what history's unlikely coali‮…