התמלול המלא של Interview with Matt Fudge, Part II: Commitment, Discipleship, and Some Laughs

for I mean you got deep relationships at OBC, you got deep relationships at Corum Deo, especially with Amy teaching at TCA. 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:42.399 I'm sure some of the tribulations or the turbulent times, and also there was a season where you kind of took some rest, all the eldership. 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:48.800 How did you kind of navigate the temptation to flee to a greener pasture if that was a temptation? 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.000 Yeah, I mean, over a 20-year, 20-year period almost. 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:59.519 I mean, there's times you kind of think like, oh, you know, would it would it ever be God's will for me to move on and move out and do something else? 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:22.879 And I just I just think that what what what what I think about and what I prioritize is understanding what the church's mission and being good at the things that we are being committed, let's say being committed to doing the things that we are called to do and not allowing other things to kind of creep in and take our our focus off of that. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:28.720 There's you know a few things that are really important to me that I think that MAS does really well. 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:54.319 And in addition to that, anytime I'm tempted to be, it's I can I can talk a little more about what that what that means, but anytime I a big part of it, anytime I'm tempted to go, uh, you know, maybe maybe it would be good to just have it have a change of scenery and and see how other people do things and you know, kind of like learn how people in other circles think, you know, kind of almost like an internship. 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.959 I stop and think, like, man, this church I think is really healthy. 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:06.000 And if I feel any kind of like simmering discontent, then maybe I need to ask myself what my problem is. 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:34.000 Because like, why after being through a a long period of turbulence where it was just like a human paper chain, like who maybe is upset and leaving next for years, and then having this long period where it's like, you know, people pretty much are getting along and trusting the pastors and working together and making decisions in a lot of ways looks like a healthy marriage should look. 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.519 Like, what why why you want to walk away from that? 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.439 And and that that kind of checks me a little bit. 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.639 And and all that to say, like, I don't sit around here and think about like, oh, like I I want to leave someday. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.839 I don't think that I could be here another 20 years. 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:57.839 It's I I really appreciate this church for what it is right now, and I don't consider myself the architect of it, you know. 00:06:58.160 --> 00:06:59.839 The ideas came from other people, yeah. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.480 You know, Eric Raymond being one of those people, Luke being one of those people, yeah, as well. 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:09.120 Uh, I would say the Eric in terms of the polity and Luke in terms of the culture. 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:10.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:10.800 Yeah. 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:12.639 That's one of the things I really appreciate about you and Amy. 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:23.360 I've talked to Amy about this topic a little bit with her just in private, and there was a kind of harsh situation due to my own issues for Lydia and I when we first got married, it was like, do we want to stick in the mayors? 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:28.160 Which would be a little bit awkward right now, be hard, or do you want to kind of let's just restart somewhere? 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:28.480 Yeah. 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:39.120 And so I'm not sure if it was like, oh, let's be like the fudges, but just to have a model like you guys where it's hey, let's let's build long-term with some people. 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:44.240 Yeah, it's not gonna go perfectly, toes will get stepped on, but toes are gonna get stepped on at any church that we go to. 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:44.800 Yeah. 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:51.279 And I I do think it's encouraging to see you guys be a members of a church for 15 plus years. 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:58.959 I do think there's a a bad American, broadly evangelical culture of consumerism. 00:07:59.120 --> 00:07:59.360 Yeah. 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.199 You're at church for three years, four years, oh, maybe five years. 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.120 And then you kind of just you make your next pit stop. 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.120 It's almost like your next yeah. 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.959 And you're also just all looking around and saying, Okay, well, what do I want from church? 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:11.279 Yeah. 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:12.959 Am I getting what I want? 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.399 Like this doesn't this doesn't seem like the way that I want it to be right now. 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:18.560 Maybe the answer is I need to be somewhere else. 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:19.040 Yeah. 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:31.040 Maybe the answer is that you need to see if you can affect change where you are, and maybe the answer is that you need to think hard about what you think you should be getting from a church and what what you know what you're expecting. 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:40.399 But it's a natural thing over time to just, you know, we you know, we uh we all kind of get itchy feet at various times. 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:44.799 You if you're doing anything over a long period of time, you're gonna think about those things. 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.559 I don't fault anybody for doing that. 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:52.320 Yeah, but it's also good to just kind of know like what are your principles, what's important, what is a church called to do. 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:59.519 Yeah, and that was a big conversation we had a lot during that really turbulent time is hey, as a church, we

definitely must be doing this. 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:00.159 Yeah. 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:04.720 And you know, let's let's let's start with that and and and build out from there. 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:16.639 Yeah, we need to be preaching the gospel, we need to be teaching the word of God, we need to be congregating together on Sunday mornings, and and the biblical pattern is that we walk in fellowship and live life together with one another. 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.639 Like let's make sure we're we're putting effort into those things. 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:21.120 Yeah. 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:30.399 Not not to oversimplify, but so you're finishing up, I think you got one or two weeks left for your course on discipleship for Sunday school. 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:39.120 And I think I've since I've been here for seven years, I think it's at least the third time you've taught through that series. 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:40.240 It is the third time. 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.720 I'm trying to think if my first time goes back further than that. 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:43.120 Maybe not. 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:43.360 Yeah. 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.159 Because the first time I started off up in the balcony. 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:47.519 I don't know if you remember that. 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:49.519 Like it was like the first couple weeks. 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:49.840 Yeah. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:50.240 Gotcha. 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:51.440 Near and dear to my heart. 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:51.840 Yeah. 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:52.960 So talk to us about that. 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:54.240 Obviously, it's very important to you. 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:55.759 You just mentioned it's near and dear to your heart. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.919 This is something that you've taught through multiple times. 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:58.240 Yeah. 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.759 As a young believer, it was impressed on me the importance of doctrinal correctness, orthodoxy. 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:04.080 Yeah. 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.559 You know, that it wasn't enough just to be sincere about what you believe. 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:09.840 You have to believe the right things. 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.480 And I and I still believe that, I still agree with that. 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:27.600 But with a love of orthodoxy and a love of learning, sometimes it is actually most often in church history accompanied by a weakness in loving people and dealing with one's own heart. 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:28.000 Yeah. 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:30.000 You know, in in that domain. 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:39.200 And what I found was my per my personal experience was that I was piling up books on the shelf. 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.080 I'm not that fast of a reader, so my bookshelf's not that impressive. 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:48.320 But for me, I was putting books on the shelf and feeling like I was still the same person. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:11:00.240 And I think there was there was an

expectation that was implicit that became explicit, that if you read good books and learn good theology, you will become a godly person. 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:02.240 And that wasn't happening. 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:07.840 And I'm I'm just remember thinking, like, man, I'm still I'm still doing the same things. 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:15.200 And not only that, I was constantly looking in the mirror and saying to myself, like, hey, you did that again. 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:17.360 Like, maybe you're not saved. 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:22.320 That was a weekly conversation internally for me. 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.200 And I wanted to kind of get that figured out. 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.279 Like, why does this, why am I in this circle? 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:35.840 Why am I in this cycle of constantly doubting myself and not really growing despite the fact that I'm knowing more and more? 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:40.320 And Eric Raymond gave me a book, The Glory of Christ, by John Owen. 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.120 I remember he handed it to me when we were at Northwest High School. 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.360 We were probably still South Campus at that point in time. 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:47.200 And he goes, game changer. 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:48.799 And I thought, okay. 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:53.360 And you know, I I'm a highly recommended book from my friend and pastor. 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:54.399 I'm gonna read it. 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.639 But then I put it down for like a year or so. 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:57.120 Yeah. 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:01.120 And providentially, when I decided to crack the book, like I was ready for it. 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:16.240 Because in this book, it really kind of like opened up the idea of devotional theology that that be that learning should be an exercise in beholding the risen Christ by faith, and then it should move the needle internally, like it should change how I act. 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:34.639 So I paired that up with some other things like like John Piper's The Pleasures of God and John John Jonathan Edwards, Religious Affections, Jeremiah Burroughs' Rare Jewel of Christian Contentment, and then the bookends of Christian Living. 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:35.759 Oh, who's the guy? 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.440 I can't think of his name all of a sudden. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.039 Anyway, though they are like all kind of saying a lot of the same things. 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:51.919 Like you need to learn to take what you you need to acquire the skill of taking what you learn and using it to warm your heart so that your obedience is joyful rather than compulsory. 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:58.480 And then learning the idea of like, if if you want to overcome sin, you have to learn to love something more than your sin. 00:12:58.559 --> 00:12:58.879 Yeah. 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:02.000 And that that something is is God. 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:15.440 That and because here's John Owen in this book saying, I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna make the case that this is what you need to do, and I'm gonna show you all these things that are wonderful and true about Jesus that you can contemplate to show you how inexhaustible this well is. 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:28.799 And so I kind of roll that into the class, that desire to balance, and this has always been the big passion of mine, to balance a love of orthodoxy and a love of personal discipleship and you know, loving other people. 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.919 And I realize I have lots of growth to do. 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.639 And I don't say that just off-handedly. 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:38.559 There's still areas of my life where I say, I think I'm a selfish person in this area. 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:55.759 But it has helped me feel confident that when I struggle with sin, that I that I I understand how to approach it and deal with it and overcome it so that it's not just like this legalistic, I'm just doing what I'm supposed to be doing because I have to, and hopefully at some point this will all get figured out. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:56.879 It's not like that anymore. 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:03.759 And it's also taught me to stay out of the self-atonement works assurance lane. 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:08.320 I remember that was another day with Eric Raymond where I'm talking, I'm like, yeah, man, I'm just like, did this again. 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:09.200 Like, what are you gonna do? 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.759 Like, man, I need to like, I need to be reading the Bible, I need to get back to praying more. 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.600 And he's like, dude, you are a functional Roman Catholic. 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.240 And I was like, Oh, you that is right. 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.080 I am gonna do penance. 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.320 I am it's penance and atonement. 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.039 Yeah, like do better, try harder. 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:28.080 That's what I'm doing. 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:35.600 And so all those things kind of like congeal together into this class, and that's why I'm passionate about it because it yeah, yeah, it's very personal to me. 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:37.200 Yeah, I thoroughly enjoy it. 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:44.799 I haven't been to every class by any means, but the the few classes I've been to, this time is all the classes from past time, and I love that book, Glory of Christ. 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:45.200 It's great. 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.840 I think we've mentioned this podcast almost every other episode. 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:48.559 Really? 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:50.960 That might be a little bit hyperbolic, but it's been several times. 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:52.080 It's a banger. 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:53.919 It is, like the young kids say. 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:54.720 Yeah. 00:14:55.600 --> 00:15:00.080 So again, the abridged version by RJK Law, that'd probably be the one to go with. 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:00.480 Okay. 00:15:00.639

--> 00:15:02.320 If that's if you're newer to the Puritans. 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.120 Abridged or modern day English. 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.320 I think on the book from Banner of Truth, it does say abridged. 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.759 I'm honestly off the the the off the top of my dude. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.200 I'm not sure if I've read the abridged. 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.600 I definitely the one I read is definitely modern day English. 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:16.639 It's about 200 pages. 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:18.240 There's no these and thou's for yours. 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:18.559 No. 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:18.720 Okay. 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:20.080 But I don't know if it's abridged. 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:20.559 Okay. 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:21.600 Yeah. 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:22.559 Great. 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:23.039 Yeah. 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.799 I can't encourage that book enough. 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:31.679 Yeah, that that that is that is one of my areas of major emphasis. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:34.639 The love of doctrine and love of other. 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:39.919 So not no hurt feelings if you haven't. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.240 Have you listened to any of the podcast interviews in the past? 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:43.200 Not yet. 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.039 I'll be listening to mine though. 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:46.080 No, I won't. 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.399 Actually, I'll probably never listen to it. 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:50.320 I've never listened to myself. 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.480 I've never listened to any audio of myself. 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.320 I've never watched any video of myself preaching. 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.960 I'm actually happy you haven't listened to any of the podcasts because then these rapid-fire questions are they get to be fresh. 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:01.759 Oh, okay. 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.120 And you don't have anything prepared for them. 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:06.240 All right. 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.960 Let me pull these bad lads up real quick. 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.000 Sorry, I don't want to cut off short though. 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.159 Any final thoughts on that discipleship piece? 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.840 Just No, just Lord willing, I'll get to teach it again in the future. 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:18.240 Yeah. 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.320 I've definitely learned some things that I want to take and revise to it this time around. 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:24.639 The audio is available somewhere. 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:25.919 You can go and listen to it. 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:27.360 It is on sermon audio. 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:33.519 So I have listened to a couple of them while I'm working, washing windows, listening to you teach on discipleship. 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:43.039 If you're the person who feels stuck in that rut, if any of those things sound like you, like, and I I've learned stuff, but I'm not, I don't feel like I'm changing. 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.399 You know, what what do I do when I just don't want to read my Bible? 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:46.799 Yeah. 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:52.080 Uh you know, and how do I overcome this particular sin that I'm really struggling with? 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:57.360 I really tried to do a lot to help you think about how it all works and fits together. 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:58.559 And yeah. 00:16:58.799 --> 00:16:59.279 Right. 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:00.080 All right. 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:01.519 So here's the rapid fire questions. 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:02.559 Rapid fire questions. 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.279 Got a couple here, as well as something I want to ask off the cuff. 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.799 So easy one to start off with mountains or beach? 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.480 Oh man, probably mountains. 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:12.720 Okay. 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:18.640 I do love the beach, and I grew up being able to go to the beach, but I'm usually like good with the beach by the end of the day. 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:18.960 Yeah. 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.400 Mountains, you can go up there and just and and just stay there, stay up there for days. 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:22.799 Yeah. 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:23.200 Yeah. 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:23.599 All right. 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:24.400 Off the cuff. 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:26.160 You mentioned you want to be an actor. 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:28.960 Sorry, Hollywood star when you're growing up. 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:29.680 Movie star, yeah. 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:30.720 Yeah, movie star. 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:39.519 If you could be in one movie, like you get to take out whatever the main lead actor is, and it's you, what would be the movie that you'd want to star in? 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.039 Star Wars, Luke Skywalker, because I want to fly an X-Wing. 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:44.000 Duh. 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:46.400 That'd be a really good one. 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:47.279 That was easy. 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:47.759 Oh, yeah. 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:49.440 I still want to fly an X Wing. 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:50.559 It's true. 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:51.519 All right. 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:52.480 What do we got here? 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.559 Any run-ins with the law? 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.240 Oh my goodness. 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.000 Like, have I ever been arrested? 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.160 I'm just saying, any run-ins with the law? 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:01.519 Up for interpretation. 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:04.480 No, I so since I've asked the question. 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:08.079 No, I have never been arrested that I can remember. 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:11.119 I've been pulled over a few times for speeding. 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.559 Was that when you were driving as a delivery guy for Billy's Chop 6? 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.119 I did get, I got I got pulled over once. 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.640 I only got pulled over once

driving for Billy's. 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:27.440 And it was because I I I I pushed a stale yellow light and ran a red making a left turn. 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:28.720 Guy pulls me over. 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.000 He's like, How old are you? 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:31.200 Like, 20. 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:32.400 He's like, You go to school? 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:34.319 Yeah, Cal State, Bakersfield. 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.119 Yeah, you when you graduate and it's like, like in a in about a month. 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:38.559 He's like, Happy graduation. 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:39.519 Slow down. 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:41.440 You bet. 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:44.000 Yeah. 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:45.119 Oh man. 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:46.720 Okay, here we go. 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:47.680 I think this one. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:49.279 I think I like this one. 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.920 What is your dream concert lineup? 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.640 Two openers, one headliner. 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:56.880 Two openers, one headliner. 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:01.440 Oh, you want me to give you three three three groups I would like to see? 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:01.920 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:03.920 Like it's I'm gonna date myself. 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:05.279 It's gonna be very square. 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.640 The headliner that I would want to see would be Peter Gabriel. 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:09.680 Never heard of him. 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:10.799 Yeah, deep cut. 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:12.400 He was very famous in the 80s. 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.640 He had his big record then, Sledgehammer. 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:15.279 Nope. 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:15.759 Nope. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.240 Oh man, you're not that much younger than me. 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.680 That was his big pop pop hit, but I how old do you think I am? 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:22.480 I don't know. 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:24.160 You're 30 something. 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:24.799 Are you 30? 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:26.000 I'm a zoomer. 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:27.519 I'm a geriatric zoomer. 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:28.000 All right, anyway. 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:29.200 Born in 98. 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.279 Oh, you're under 30. 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:31.599 Sorry. 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:32.880 I just told you that sold his job. 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:33.920 The balding head helps. 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:35.200 Peter Gabriel. 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:41.359 And because I I have listened to him for a really long time, and I've never seen him play live. 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:46.160 And he in his heyday was known for like really creative live shows. 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:47.759 And I've missed him. 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:49.039 He's he's too old now. 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:49.519 Yeah. 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.000 It won't happen, but I would really love to see him. 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:57.839 The other guy I would like to see, another person I would like to see, is Mark Knopfler, who is the lead guitarist for Dire Straits. 00:19:58.480 --> 00:19:58.960 Oh man. 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:01.359 That clarification does not help me at all. 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.519 He's just really he's a really good guitar player. 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:03.839 Okay. 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.359 And the style is not really the style of music that I would normally like. 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:07.759 Yeah. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:10.079 What kind of what kind of genre of music is this? 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:16.319 Is this he he now to he today is very, very country in a way that I don't necessarily care care for. 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:16.640 Okay. 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:19.519 But then it was just like 80s rock band. 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:19.920 Okay. 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:21.119 I was raised on grunge rock. 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:23.039 Maybe a little bit like Bruce Springsteen. 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:23.440 Okay. 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:24.160 A little bit. 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:26.720 Bruce Springsteen fans probably recoil from that. 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:28.720 But I'm going to give you some assigned reading. 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:28.880 Okay. 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.200 Because that's something that I could really assign listening. 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:31.920 Listening. 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:32.240 Yeah. 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:35.680 So grew up on like Pear Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Green Day. 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:37.599 That's what my dad would play in the car. 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.400 And maybe the third one would be the Ramones. 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:42.319 Hey, I know that one. 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.839 If I'm just going to be on the 2024 hours to go. 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:47.279 That's the one. 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:49.359 So many people just turned off this episode. 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:51.200 I saw them twice when I was younger. 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.039 Their shows were insane. 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.920 I think I came really close to being very seriously injured at one of them. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:58.319 I'm serious. 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.000 Somebody's going to step on my neck, step on my my jaw and break my neck. 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.640 I was literally feet in the air, head on the ground. 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:07.599 Oh man. 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:08.240 Yeah. 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.799 But it was a really energetic show, and there, yeah. 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:13.519 Great. 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:14.240 It was a lot of fun. 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:16.400 So it's just maybe like a little bit of everything there. 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:16.640 Yeah. 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:22.960 But I do, I really like music, and like our house is one like where music is on a lot. 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:23.519 Yeah. 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:24.960 So great. 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:25.519 Yep. 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:27.920 I wouldn't dare ask you for your favorite movie of all

time. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.079 So I'll ask you, what's your Mount Rushmore? 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.799 Kind of like that tier one, four movies. 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:33.920 Yeah. 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.960 I've talked about this, I have talked about this subject so many times. 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.839 The first one that comes to mind would be Interstellar. 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:43.680 I really like Chris Nolan. 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:45.279 That's my favorite of his movies. 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:46.720 I don't say it's the best. 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:47.039 Yeah. 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.880 But that that's one I really like a lot. 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:54.799 And I love it because I do think it's a thoughtful comment on what is the nature of man. 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.400 I never caught that until you told me about that a couple years back. 00:21:58.559 --> 00:21:59.039 There's Dr. 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:01.119 Man, and he Embodies, personifies. 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:02.559 And they're talking about love. 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:02.799 Yeah. 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.359 You know, where altruism, where does it come from? 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.640 You know, what what makes man more than just an animal? 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:08.960 Yeah. 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:16.160 Maybe another one I would have to, I would have to say, you know, like the Lord of the Rings trilogy. 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:20.319 If I can if I have to pick one, then I'll pick Return of the King because I love Tolkien. 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:26.000 And the movies were really good at adaptations along the same vein, Empire Strikes Back. 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:27.519 I was a Star Wars kid. 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:29.839 That's the best Star Wars movie, hands down. 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:31.440 I will fight you. 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.319 How many times did you dress up as Chewbacca growing up for Halloween? 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:35.519 Never, but I did grow up. 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:40.400 I did dress up as Obi-Wan Kenobi when I was in the first grade in Sitka. 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.039 And I remember it because we didn't have any money. 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:44.480 And we got this. 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:54.480 What my parents got me was like this inflatable lightsaber that you like literally fit over a over a flashlight and then like a homemade robe. 00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:56.640 Except in Alaska, it's cold. 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.759 You know what happens when you take inflated things outside in the cold? 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:01.200 They deflate. 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:03.839 It was like the saddest lightsaber ever. 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.359 But yeah, Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars Kid. 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:08.960 Besides that, I don't know. 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.000 Maybe like a big dumb one is Pacific Rim. 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:16.880 Giant robots punching giant monsters in pace. 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:17.920 Yeah, it's a change of pace. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.359 Yeah, that is just like a guilty pleasure that I can't get past. 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.160 And maybe another one for variety is I love La La Land. 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:24.640 Ah, yeah. 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.759 What's the zeitgeist? 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:33.599 You know, what are the what's the philosophy? 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.440 And and honestly, a couple of German there from the Zietgeist. 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.559 I'm trying to, I heard somebody else say it the other day, so now it's in my head. 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:49.680 But that's a movie where I disagree with the thesis of the movie, and I still liked it because I enjoyed having the conversation. 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:50.079 Yeah. 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:53.759 And it's got good songs, and it's set in LA, which I love movies set in LA. 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:53.920 Yeah. 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.319 And I love movies about movie making. 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:56.480 Yeah. 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:57.680 So it's got everything in it. 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:00.559 I've heard you say you you think that you look like Ryan Gosling. 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.400 I do not think I look like Ryan Gosling, but I may have that boyish uh double make hair charm about me. 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:07.200 Oh man. 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.640 Does he have a receding hairline? 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:09.920 I have a receding hairline. 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:10.960 I doubt. 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:11.599 I do. 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:16.079 I would say Ryan Gosling is probably the one guy for me right now where I'm like, what's he in? 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.359 I'll probably try it out. 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:17.759 Yeah. 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.480 I haven't seen all of his movies, but he's going to be in a Star Wars movie coming out next year. 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:24.400 And I actually think there's a new one coming out? 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:24.799 Yes. 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.720 I think it might actually be Episode 10. 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:27.200 What is that? 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:29.039 No, it's it's a it's a one-off. 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:29.519 Okay. 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:36.400 It's a one-off, and he's he's on, he's hot right now, and I think it might actually be physically and literally, right? 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:37.680 I'm just gonna call it in advance. 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:40.640 I think it's gonna be up there with like Rogue One for Okay. 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.519 Is this expanded universe, a made-up character? 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.440 It's gonna be canonical, but yeah, it's an it's a new character. 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:48.960 It's a new character. 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:56.480 I I think it's kind of a uh a roguish rebel who probably goes right at some point. 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:01.279 Great, but I have a feeling it's not gonna have any lightsabers, and that's probably a good thing. 00:25:01.440

--> 00:25:01.680 Okay. 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:02.880 Serious question though. 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:03.200 Yeah. 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:05.680 Would you rather fight a horse-sized duck? 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:06.960 Man, I couldn't keep it straight. 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:08.319 I'm ready smiling. 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:08.880 Sorry. 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:14.880 Would you rather fight a horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses? 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.119 Duck 100 duck-sized horses. 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.359 I would totally go duck-sized horses because you could you could just kick them all over. 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:22.480 They wouldn't be able to get up. 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:22.799 Yeah. 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:23.200 Yeah. 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.279 I think I could probably just like get get the crowd under control pretty quickly. 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:27.680 Yeah. 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:29.680 And I don't think they could really do anything to me. 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:30.160 Yeah. 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:35.279 So yeah, I'm definitely taking taking a hundred duck-sized horses. 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:35.680 Great. 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:37.119 I'm actually looking forward to this one. 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:39.920 What is your most recent I'm getting old moment? 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.799 Saying Peter Gabriel to you and having you give me a black look. 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.960 And then saying Mark Knopfler to you and getting the same look. 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.400 Thousand yard stare. 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:52.799 Dire straits. 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:53.200 Anybody? 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:54.240 A little help. 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:54.799 Yeah. 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:55.440 Sorry. 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:56.640 That was definitely it. 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:02.480 I have it at work all the time because I interact with the surgical technicians, also sometimes called scrub techs. 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.319 You know, they scrub and help the doctor. 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.279 They give my stuff to the doctor, so to speak. 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:09.519 Yeah. 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.880 And they're always, they're almost always like 20 somethings. 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:13.359 Yeah. 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:17.359 And there's always jokes like, I got no idea what you're talking about, unk. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:18.720 I gotta ask. 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.319 I assume so. 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:28.079 Talking to Joe Comer, when he's in pursuit as a sheriff's deputy, go to hundred, the cops actually have like a pursuit playlist. 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:30.960 And for him, like I just played on the song. 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:32.319 Hard guitar riff. 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:37.920 Anyways, I was gonna ask, in the OR, are there like doctors' playlists or is that not protocol? 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:38.559 Sort of. 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.039 Okay. 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.880 They they listen to Pandora. 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.319 They Pandora or Spotify, depending on who has a password. 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.480 And most of them keep it pretty generic. 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:47.599 It's like today's hits. 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.519 They they just they want some filler with a few things that they kind of like. 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:58.799 And if anybody tries to put on something, the more somebody is really into something, the less it needs it just it's everything has to be brought up here. 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:00.319 It was Freebird. 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.200 That's his that's his song that he does when he's in pursuit. 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:04.480 Oh, that is too funny. 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:05.680 Yeah, I could see that. 00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:06.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:07.680 I gotta, yeah. 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:14.160 I gotta I do I do have a playlist for occasions like that, but I'm I'm never going 100 miles an hour, so many chances to use it. 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.920 What was your favorite family tradition? 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.039 Oh man, favorite family tradition. 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:24.799 I do we've gone to Vallas a lot for a long time. 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:33.359 We've had passes for a while, and we've lived right around the corner from Vallas Pumpkin Patch for like 10 years, so that makes it really easy to just like get a pass and bounce over for a couple years. 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:35.599 So it's always great when we start going there again. 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:48.000 But then, like other than that, traditions would have would have to be like just any number of the Christmas traditions when we were when the kids were young, taking a look at Christmas lights, the polar our our little version of the Polar Express. 00:27:48.720 --> 00:28:04.559 Thanks, like we call it uh turkey melt sandwiches in between Thanksgiving and Christmas and leaving after Christmas sourdough, Swiss cheese, turkey, cranberry spread, and ruffles, plain potato chips, and Coca-Cola. 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.400 Okay, they're so good. 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:14.960 And like when they come out, it's like I eat, I will probably eat like a dozen during that time to the point where I'm almost tired of it. 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.839 But then it's in between that, it's like, no, do not make it for me. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.119 Like I am looking forward to that Black Friday. 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:22.799 It's like we're here again. 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:24.000 I feel so good. 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.599 Yeah, I love eating those. 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.759 You mentioned Polar Explorer Express. 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:28.640 What do you do there? 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:29.519 Oh, watch the movie. 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.440 Like in the movie, the kids go to the North Pole. 00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:40.079 And so what we in in the story, the kid gets woken from his from slumber through when this imaginary

train pulls up and takes into the North Pole. 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:44.400 Please tell me, please tell me that you wake up Caleb at four in the morning wearing a conductor's outfit. 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.039 No, no. 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:45.440 Okay. 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:46.880 But we did have a train whistle. 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.119 It was a little Thomas the train whistle, it was really weak. 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:50.400 The like wooden flute thing up there. 00:28:50.559 --> 00:29:01.680 But we would we would put the kids to bed, and then very shortly after, we would wake them up, and so they, like the kids in the movie, would get in the back of the minivan with the pajamas on, and we would stop and get hot chocolate or drinks. 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:03.599 Okay, that's fun and look at lights. 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:04.319 Very nice. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.279 Yeah, very nice. 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:13.039 And Amy also made golden tickets that she punched out like in the movie and laminated them and put put uh glitter on them the whole night. 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:13.599 Sweet. 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:15.359 Yeah, very nice. 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.640 If you were a piece of furniture, what would you be? 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.119 If I was a piece of furniture. 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:29.839 I would be a I would be a like a barrel, like a like a 50s style barrel-backed lounge chair. 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.960 That is my favorite kind of chair to sit in. 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.880 Or not even necessarily even the barrel back, but just even like the like the square back. 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:38.400 I'm I'm Googling this right now. 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.240 1950s barrel barrel backed lounge. 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:43.200 Lounge chair. 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:43.599 Yeah. 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:44.000 Okay. 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:50.000 Just you know, kind of like it's shaped like a C, and you can sit back on it, and your arms kind of set up high. 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:50.480 Yeah. 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:58.799 It's you know, for just you know, cross your legs, sit, have a you know, intellectual conversation, use all your use all your big words. 00:29:58.960 --> 00:29:59.200 Yeah. 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:00.079 It is interesting. 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:06.480 I think this is you're the fourth or fifth person of Assist 2, and all but one have said some form of a chair. 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:06.880 Yeah. 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.599 Luke was a barber chair, Zach was a lounge chair as well. 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.640 Uh I think only Schleifer. 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.079 He was a bookcase. 00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:17.519 I think Steve was also a chair. 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:19.039 That totally traps. 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:21.839 Yeah, I know. 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.720 I couldn't can I couldn't think of anything more creative than that. 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.200 Maybe could I be like a Lego display case?

00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:27.680 Maybe. 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:28.559 Is that really better? 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:29.519 Is that improvement? 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:30.880 I think so. 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.160 All right, two more. 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:34.640 Okay. 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.680 What hymn do you want sung at your funeral? 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.200 Oh man, it is well with my soul. 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.119 That's everybody likes that one. 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:43.359 Yeah. 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.039 Can I be more creative than that? 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:46.880 I can't think of anything at the top of my head. 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:52.400 I don't want to like ramble while I try to think of something, but I do, I do really, really love that. 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:53.279 Very good. 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:59.119 All right, and to close this out, what are you most encouraged by at Ameus right now? 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:08.240 I am encouraged by what I see as I would call this like the ultimate thing you would ever look for. 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:20.960 Which is that which is that kids the children of the church being in peaceful relationships with their parents and continuing in the faith. 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.519 The kids not falling off the cliff and disappearing after high school. 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:26.000 Yeah. 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.079 Sometimes they find a different church that they want to go to. 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.240 And I and I get that. 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:54.720 But just seeing the continuity, like the generational continuity, and that because and that itself is a sign that parents are parenting well and raising their children in the faith and teaching them about the faith in a way that is that is beautiful to the kids and attractive to them, which they then adopt and own for themselves. 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.240 As far as what you're doing as a church. 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:08.720 Yeah. 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:09.440 Yeah. 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:10.000 Yeah. 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:20.640 There's so many other situations where you just like you're looking around at the kids of the youth group and thinking like you probably never darken the door of a church again once you don't have to go anymore. 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:21.680 And it's so sad. 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.519 So many kids just fall off at that point. 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.880 But they're just it seems to be really healthy relationships between parents and kids at our church. 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:31.759 Thankful for that. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:32.319 Yeah. 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.440 Well, I want to honor you. 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.519 I I love that you've been an elder at our church. 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.799 I've benefited a lot from you, both from your teaching, as well as the model of your life. 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.319 I know many others have as well. 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.480 So thanks for being one of our pastors. 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.079 It's my pleasure. 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:49.039 It is the one thing that in life that I'm confident that I'm supposed to be doing. 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:49.519 Yeah. 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:50.079 Yeah. 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.559 I mean, other than staying married and raising my children. 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:55.359 Yeah. 00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:56.640 Very nice. 00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.680 It's it's it's hard, but I think that I'm supposed to be doing it. 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.759 And so that makes it makes it easier. 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:08.240 And honestly, this is a relatively really easy church to be a pastor. 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.319 Our members are good members. 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:23.279 Even when there's trouble, it the there is there's openness and humility to correction and redirection, like just a good just a good relationship overall. 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:24.000 Yeah. 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:24.559 Awesome. 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:24.880 Yeah. 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:25.920 Thanks for your time, brother. 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:26.559 You bet. 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:27.440 Thank you.