התמלול המלא של Comedy in Crisis: Finding Light in Tragedy w/ Adam Chapel

00:02:14,969 And so tell me a little bit about what your experience was like 39 00:02:15,009 --> 00:02:16,619 on that first comedy rumble. 40 00:02:17,499 --> 00:02:20,529 Well, man, I won and I wasn't expecting that, like at all. 41 00:02:20,929 --> 00:02:24,929 I went in with like, I wrote the first round, the minute of new material. 42 00:02:25,739 --> 00:02:30,654 I wrote that like, 20, 30 minutes before I got to the venue, didn't 43 00:02:30,654 --> 00:02:32,384 expect to pass that first round. 44 00:02:33,024 --> 00:02:33,474 I did. 45 00:02:34,524 --> 00:02:36,474 And then just kept going. 46 00:02:37,234 --> 00:02:41,214 And by the next thing I knew I'm doing 10 minutes up there with 47 00:02:41,604 --> 00:02:42,984 all my material already burnt. 48 00:02:43,234 --> 00:02:46,854 So I was just telling stories and I felt like the crowd was fucking with me. 49 00:02:46,854 --> 00:02:48,834 So I think that they were, they were being very nice. 50 00:02:48,854 --> 00:02:51,344 Cause I've watched that video back a bunch of times and I'm like, Oh, they 51 00:02:51,344 --> 00:02:53,294 were very generous with their laughs. 52 00:02:53,544 --> 00:02:54,064 You could say. 53 00:02:54,704 --> 00:02:58,564 And what I love about cause that I saw that happening to you on stage. 54 00:02:59,084 --> 00:03:03,904 And it reminded me, I've, I've told this, I think I told this story, um, I had Jason 55 00:03:03,904 --> 00:03:08,264 Paxman who won, uh, a couple weeks ago and he ended up in the same boat where he got 56 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:13,664 to the, he got to the end and Aiden, he was like, and that's all I have you guys. 57 00:03:14,514 --> 00:03:18,614 And it reminded me of, I think it was the fourth or fifth 58 00:03:18,624 --> 00:03:21,984 time that I headlined where I. 59 00:03:22,684 --> 00:03:26,164 I'd had an hour and I'd done the hour a couple of times already, but when 60 00:03:26,164 --> 00:03:29,864 I'd done the hour before I'd done it kind of slow, I'd found other kind 61 00:03:29,864 --> 00:03:33,974 of, I'd, I'd found a couple of like interesting rabbit trails to go down. 62 00:03:34,324 --> 00:03:38,604 And then I got into this, this particular one and there was something 63 00:03:38,604 --> 00:03:39,834 about the energy of that night. 64 00:03:39,844 --> 00:03:42,404 Like all the openers were, were really crushing. 65 00:03:42,404 --> 00:03:44,004 So the energy was really high. 66 00:03:44,534 --> 00:03:46,464 I came in and I just like hit. 67 00:03:46,659 --> 00:03:49,819 And I just hit, I crushed for like 30 minutes. 68 00:03:50,659 --> 00:03:54,424 And then after 30 minutes, I checked my time and I was like, Fuck. 69 00:03:54,424 --> 00:03:58,644 That was, I just burned through all of my stuff. 70 00:03:58,644 --> 00:04:01,264 Like I did it super, super, and they were popping. 71 00:04:01,294 --> 00:04:01,524 Right. 72 00:04:01,524 --> 00:04:02,714 It was super fun. 73 00:04:02,954 --> 00:04:06,604 But then I was sitting there and I'm like, I have promised all of these 74 00:04:06,604 --> 00:04:10,404 people another 30 minutes of Comedy. 75 00:04:10,584 --> 00:04:10,974 Yeah. 76 00:04:11,204 --> 00:04:13,394 I've got, I've got fucking nothing. 77 00:04:13,824 --> 00:04:14,294 Yeah. 78 00:04:14,384 --> 00:04:17,564 There was a moment inside where I panicked. 79 00:04:17,764 --> 00:04:20,464 Like there was this moment where I was in full panic mode. 80 00:04:20,634 --> 00:04:25,224 It wasn't outside, but I realized where I was and I was like, Oh my God. 81 00:04:25,224 --> 00:04:28,554 And it felt like I, it felt like I was in the deep end of the pool. 82 00:04:28,574 --> 00:04:31,414 It felt like I'd been like sort of playing around in a pool and then 83 00:04:31,584 --> 00:04:33,804 suddenly I, well, where's the ground? 84 00:04:33,894 --> 00:04:34,214 Where's the ground? 85 00:04:34,214 --> 00:04:34,614 Yeah. 86 00:04:35,114 --> 00:04:38,504 And, and what happened is I sort of floundered. 87 00:04:39,604 --> 00:04:44,494 And then I started to breathe and then I just started to sort of throw stuff out. 88 00:04:44,534 --> 00:04:46,754 I was like, well, here's a story that I've thought about. 89 00:04:46,754 --> 00:04:51,844 And here's a story that I've thought about and watching you do it during your 10 90 00:04:51,844 --> 00:04:55,024 minutes, cause you had about three minutes and then about three minutes into your 10. 91 00:04:56,709 --> 00:04:58,709 I saw the floor kind of drop out for me. 92 00:04:58,989 --> 00:04:59,489 Yeah. 93 00:05:00,029 --> 00:05:03,139 I was like, well, I said, I think I said, told the crowd. 94 00:05:03,139 --> 00:05:05,029 I was like, well, if you guys can't tell, I don't know what the 95 00:05:05,029 --> 00:05:06,369 fuck I'm talking about up here. 96 00:05:06,779 --> 00:05:09,189 And I was just very, very aware of it. 97 00:05:09,189 --> 00:05:11,169 Like, I was like, they, they got to know that I'm not. 98 00:05:11,324 --> 00:05:13,494 Let me just get it out the way. 99 00:05:13,564 --> 00:05:16,334 I'm not prepared for this, but just go on this drive with me. 100 00:05:16,404 --> 00:05:16,924 And they did. 101 00:05:17,374 --> 00:05:21,314 And I think I did get some good, I got some material out of those 10 minutes 102 00:05:21,314 --> 00:05:22,994 of coming up with shit on the fly. 103 00:05:23,014 --> 00:05:25,234 Like I brought that into my bit now. 104 00:05:25,394 --> 00:05:26,144 It's just totally, 105 00:05:26,144 --> 00:05:29,154 I, I didn't, when I did that, I was like, Oh, I didn't realize that was funny. 106 00:05:29,504 --> 00:05:30,054 Yeah. 107 00:05:30,334 --> 00:05:33,324 I loved about watching you do that is number one. 108 00:05:33,324 --> 00:05:33,614 You're right. 109 00:05:33,764 --> 00:05:36,154 And this is just, I think part of the. 110 00:05:36,484 --> 00:05:39,344 I think one of the ways that we've cultivated the audience of the rumble 111 00:05:39,374 --> 00:05:43,254 is that they, because they know number one,

that a lot of the comics who are 112 00:05:43,254 --> 00:05:46,734 coming up are fairly new to comedy. 113 00:05:46,834 --> 00:05:48,304 So they know that everyone's new. 114 00:05:48,594 --> 00:05:52,014 They know that at least their first minute is brand new. 115 00:05:52,244 --> 00:05:52,604 Yeah. 116 00:05:52,724 --> 00:05:56,104 Also know that like the way that I advertise the way that I talk about it 117 00:05:56,104 --> 00:05:58,254 to people is this is kind of a place. 118 00:05:58,284 --> 00:06:01,254 This is a place for comics to come and hone their craft, right? 119 00:06:01,294 --> 00:06:05,644 These are, this is, these are not, these are not, this isn't Tom Segura, right? 120 00:06:05,644 --> 00:06:06,154 This is. 121 00:06:06,394 --> 00:06:07,384 This isn't big names. 122 00:06:07,394 --> 00:06:13,644 These are young, hungry up and comers, and they are, they're here to work. 123 00:06:13,734 --> 00:06:16,114 They're here to work and they're here to try stuff. 124 00:06:16,564 --> 00:06:20,314 And so I think that it kind of attracts an audience that likes to 125 00:06:20,314 --> 00:06:22,614 see sort of the behind the scenes. 126 00:06:22,824 --> 00:06:25,664 And so because of that, I do think they're very generous. 127 00:06:26,109 --> 00:06:30,399 They are very, Oh, especially in Vegas, man, the Vegas, I remember 128 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:34,839 just, just, uh, uh, I think two weeks ago we had, we had our smallest one. 129 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,989 I think there were like 40, 47 people in the crowd. 130 00:06:36,989 --> 00:06:40,539 So it was a, it was a little, little audience and there was still like this 131 00:06:40,549 --> 00:06:44,469 generous buzz of, and we still had a fantastic show because everybody 132 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:46,309 was, everyone was sort of willing. 133 00:06:46,779 --> 00:06:50,559 To kind of share their, there's got to be sort of a willingness to the audience. 134 00:06:50,589 --> 00:06:51,159 For sure. 135 00:06:51,229 --> 00:06:52,699 Willingness to the audience. 136 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:54,839 Then you can kind of fuck around. 137 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:55,499 Yeah. 138 00:06:55,819 --> 00:06:56,849 In that fucking run. 139 00:06:56,849 --> 00:07:00,899 And really, that's why, that's why I wanted to make the Rumble a thing. 140 00:07:01,129 --> 00:07:04,609 Is that I knew that I had, in order for me to improve as a comic. 141 00:07:05,009 --> 00:07:09,679 I needed to have opportunities to get on, get on stage in front of an audience 142 00:07:09,739 --> 00:07:12,489 that knew that this was a workshop 143 00:07:13,219 --> 00:07:13,249 and 144 00:07:13,309 --> 00:07:15,979 was willing to sort of go on that journey with me. 145 00:07:16,239 --> 00:07:21,849 And dude, I can't tell you how really thrilling it was and how proud of 146 00:07:21,849 --> 00:07:25,869 you I was to watch you, you do that because it felt like, it felt like I'd 147 00:07:25,869 --> 00:07:27,569 sort of dropped you into the deep end. 148 00:07:27,729 --> 00:07:28,219 Yeah. 149 00:07:28,679 --> 00:07:29,129 Yeah, bro. 150 00:07:29,129 --> 00:07:33,429 So that like whole thing like gave me so much more confidence as a comic. 151 00:07:33,459 --> 00:07:39,699 Like I was When was that in September, October, early October, October. 152 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:41,819 So at that point I was. 153 00:07:42,234 --> 00:07:48,854 Like seven months into comedy and at that point just doing like bar open mics 154 00:07:48,874 --> 00:07:51,024 and stuff like that Which is it's great. 155 00:07:51,034 --> 00:07:55,184 It's fun, but there's no real audience there And so that was my first and 156 00:07:55,184 --> 00:07:59,944 I had done wise guys before like the the open mic nights But it's it's 157 00:07:59,944 --> 00:08:01,734 still just a different different vibe. 158 00:08:01,994 --> 00:08:04,014 And so it was like it felt like I was like, oh damn 159 00:08:04,014 --> 00:08:06,164 They're really engaged with me. 160 00:08:06,174 --> 00:08:10,354 It was the first time I had an engaged audience And I was 161 00:08:10,354 --> 00:08:11,394 like, oh no, I can do this. 162 00:08:11,394 --> 00:08:15,394 I'm funny You I don't know, it like hit, it hit and it just gave me a different 163 00:08:15,394 --> 00:08:19,824 level of confidence going into the end of the year, making me start a show, 164 00:08:19,964 --> 00:08:22,794 would have never done that if that would have happened, you know what I mean? 165 00:08:23,274 --> 00:08:24,344 Because I love that, right? 166 00:08:24,344 --> 00:08:29,044 Because what I, part of, part of my philosophy when it comes to 167 00:08:29,054 --> 00:08:34,699 comedy and really to life is, I, I really believe that humans generate 168 00:08:35,059 --> 00:08:39,239 wealth and success and abundance through giving to other people. 169 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,799 And I think that, I think that what that means is it does not matter what you have. 170 00:08:44,179 --> 00:08:46,609 You, it does not matter how poor you are. 171 00:08:46,619 --> 00:08:47,979 It does not matter how broke you are. 172 00:08:48,009 --> 00:08:48,889 I have been poor. 173 00:08:48,929 --> 00:08:49,849 I have been broke. 174 00:08:50,109 --> 00:08:50,329 Right. 175 00:08:50,329 --> 00:08:52,739 I've done, I've been in all of those scenarios. 176 00:08:52,819 --> 00:08:54,149 It does not matter. 177 00:08:54,619 --> 00:08:57,619 You do have something that other people need. 178 00:08:58,649 --> 00:08:59,249 It does not 179 00:08:59,249 --> 00:09:00,699 matter how little you have. 180 00:09:00,929 --> 00:09:04,849 There is something that you, and if you, if you simply sort of take stock 181 00:09:05,149 --> 00:09:08,879 and examine what, what you want with the power that you have, the resources 182 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:12,569 that you have, the assets that are available to you, you've got something 183 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:15,249 that you could make a generous gift of. 184

00:09:15,579 --> 00:09:16,259 And so. 185 00:09:16,469 --> 00:09:18,919 Um, that really clicked for me. 186 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:23,069 I read this fantastic book in like August of this year, that maybe like 187 00:09:23,069 --> 00:09:26,659 a month after I did my first, my first rumble, it's called the go giver. 188 00:09:26,659 --> 00:09:28,209 And it's basically all about that. 189 00:09:28,489 --> 00:09:31,979 And so I, I read that book and I was like, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to try this. 190 00:09:31,999 --> 00:09:35,799 I'm going to try stepping into a space where I'm not giving away in 191 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:39,409 like a, in like a passive aggressive or like a codependent where I'm 192 00:09:39,409 --> 00:09:43,049 like, I'm like giving, giving out of like weakness or giving. 193 00:09:44,659 --> 00:09:48,399 Out of pity or like out of like, I need, or there are strings attached. 194 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:48,539 Right. 195 00:09:48,569 --> 00:09:51,169 I'm going to give you a gift, but then I'm going to really expect 196 00:09:51,169 --> 00:09:52,209 that you're going to come through. 197 00:09:52,289 --> 00:09:52,439 I'm 198 00:09:52,439 --> 00:09:53,379 going to ask for a favor, 199 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:53,889 right? 200 00:09:53,989 --> 00:09:59,689 Like then you're going to, it's like, no, I, I am an abundant, powerful being. 201 00:10:00,289 --> 00:10:04,929 And out of my abundance and out of my power, I'm going to give generously to the 202 00:10:04,929 --> 00:10:10,149 humans around me without any expectation that they're going to give back to me. 203 00:10:10,329 --> 00:10:12,449 The only expectation that I have is that. 204 00:10:12,744 --> 00:10:16,254 When I give, I'm creating kind of this energetic vortex. 205 00:10:16,254 --> 00:10:19,644 I'm pushing energy out into the world in a certain way that it 206 00:10:19,644 --> 00:10:21,474 can't help but come back to me. 207 00:10:21,744 --> 00:10:21,954 Yeah. 208 00:10:22,119 --> 00:10:23,514 And, and so that's, karma is 209 00:10:23,514 --> 00:10:23,934 real, man. 210 00:10:23,934 --> 00:10:24,684 I believe that shit. 211 00:10:25,439 --> 00:10:26,519 I, I believe that I do too. 212 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:26,799 Shit. 213 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:26,919 I 214 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:27,680 too, I I really do. 215 00:10:28,484 --> 00:10:30,314 And, um, and I've seen it. 216 00:10:30,314 --> 00:10:33,134 I've seen it happen because, and, and I want to get into the, that's 217 00:10:33,134 --> 00:10:36,164 why I wanna get into your, your show, is that what I've noticed is. 218 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,829 The Rumble is a really powerful opportunity for comics to come 219 00:10:40,829 --> 00:10:47,789 together and to together create a lot of momentum, right? 220 00:10:48,009 --> 00:10:50,459 Because you look great on that stage. 221 00:10:51,084 --> 00:10:54,914 And every other comic who was on that rumble also looked great. 222 00:10:54,964 --> 00:10:57,334 Even the ones that got eliminated, right? 223 00:10:57,484 --> 00:11:01,124 Because we all, cause there's something about, like you said, the difference 224 00:11:01,124 --> 00:11:06,364 between a weekend crowd and an open mic crowd is until you get there and you 225 00:11:06,364 --> 00:11:09,754 experience it, it's like, you don't know. 226 00:11:10,374 --> 00:11:10,564 I had 227 00:11:10,564 --> 00:11:14,914 recently watched uh, this Anthony Jeselnik interview, uh, cause he just 228 00:11:14,914 --> 00:11:19,294 dropped a special, um, and he was talking about how like, he was bombing 229 00:11:19,534 --> 00:11:24,104 in front of bitter open micers for like a whole year, and then one day he just 230 00:11:24,104 --> 00:11:27,534 said, fuck it, I'm gonna go there, did one joke and got I'm all the laughing. 231 00:11:27,554 --> 00:11:29,694 That was like 20 years ago and he still remembers it. 232 00:11:30,184 --> 00:11:33,204 Like, and then audiences changed. 233 00:11:33,224 --> 00:11:36,754 And so I think it was like, that's kind of what the rumble felt like to me. 234 00:11:36,764 --> 00:11:37,984 It felt like, Oh, this is a change. 235 00:11:37,994 --> 00:11:41,254 This is the first time I've experienced this and I want to experience this again. 236 00:11:41,294 --> 00:11:43,224 So I'm going to keep doing what I got to do to get back 237 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:44,514 in front of crowds like this. 238 00:11:44,804 --> 00:11:45,024 Yeah. 239 00:11:45,024 --> 00:11:46,264 I mean, throw my own show. 240 00:11:46,264 --> 00:11:47,404 I'm going to throw my own show, 241 00:11:48,094 --> 00:11:49,044 but that's where I want to go. 242 00:11:49,064 --> 00:11:53,414 So you do the rumble, you win, you generate, you build, you generate all this 243 00:11:53,424 --> 00:11:56,964 confidence, which is well earned because you're, you're funny and you work hard. 244 00:11:57,404 --> 00:12:00,984 And, and then, and then what do you do at, what's your, what's your path from, 245 00:12:01,004 --> 00:12:03,624 from that rumble to, uh, your, your show? 246 00:12:03,764 --> 00:12:07,594 Yeah, so I started a show with, uh, my good friend Anthony Wynkoop, 247 00:12:07,594 --> 00:12:10,224 another comic, um, called The Hot Box. 248 00:12:10,734 --> 00:12:13,974 We've done two of them now, so like, looks like once a month type 249 00:12:13,974 --> 00:12:15,524 of thing, right on Fremont Street. 250 00:12:15,984 --> 00:12:20,714 At a venue that is not typically for comedy, but we have it packed out in 251 00:12:20,714 --> 00:12:23,884 there and it's basically, it's essentially a Kill Tony rip, like let's just be 252 00:12:23,884 --> 00:12:28,344 real, it's, it's, we got, we got a band in the back, uh, funk is what they're 253 00:12:28,344 --> 00:12:32,104 known as and they're like playing walk up music and they, they're jamming. 254 00:12:32,794 --> 00:12:36,614 We throw some improv bits in there, kind of like Eric Andre a little bit. 255 00:12:37,794 --> 00:12:42,574 If you've

ever seen that, but we're trying to throw it out there, and it's free. 256 00:12:42,934 --> 00:12:44,994 It's free to sign up, comics sign up online. 257 00:12:45,394 --> 00:12:48,804 We are charging five bucks at this next one, just because uh, proceeds are gonna 258 00:12:48,814 --> 00:12:51,414 go to Goody Two Shoes, the charity. 259 00:12:51,844 --> 00:12:52,384 Oh, hell yeah. 260 00:12:52,604 --> 00:12:55,194 So it's not even, we're not even pocketing it, but we do, 261 00:12:55,194 --> 00:12:56,574 we are gonna charge for that. 262 00:12:57,244 --> 00:12:57,484 Right? 263 00:12:57,484 --> 00:12:57,764 Yeah. 264 00:12:58,684 --> 00:12:59,074 Yeah. 265 00:12:59,454 --> 00:13:01,294 And it's just been a great trajectory. 266 00:13:01,384 --> 00:13:06,439 I mean, we did the last one November 27th, and It's, it's been great seeing 267 00:13:06,439 --> 00:13:10,339 how well it's received, the comics appreciate it because it's a stage in 268 00:13:10,339 --> 00:13:13,789 front of, in a new audience, it's a stage in front of an audience, and I think 269 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:19,379 that's one thing that comics in Vegas are missing, like, unless you're getting 270 00:13:19,379 --> 00:13:25,409 booked at Wise Guys, or Kimmel's, or LA Comedy Club, you're not, you're not 271 00:13:25,409 --> 00:13:28,199 getting, you're not, you're not getting in front of an audience that often. 272 00:13:28,719 --> 00:13:29,059 Yeah, 273 00:13:29,189 --> 00:13:30,799 we like to provide that for sure. 274 00:13:30,849 --> 00:13:33,559 And we film it, produce it, edit it. 275 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,979 Cause I'm, I'm a videographer for work. 276 00:13:35,979 --> 00:13:37,949 I've been doing that for the last seven, eight years. 277 00:13:39,129 --> 00:13:41,769 So it's like you said, that's my skill to offer to the scene. 278 00:13:42,259 --> 00:13:46,819 And I did kind of keep it tucked away at first, not out of like selfishness, but 279 00:13:46,829 --> 00:13:49,909 like, I don't know if I wanted to open those floodgates of having everybody 280 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:55,619 hit me up to do a video, but, but I was like, I started producing that show. 281 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,594 And then that's how, like, That's my skil like, production. 282 00:14:00,654 --> 00:14:03,784 And Anthony, my co host, he has a lot of background. 283 00:14:03,814 --> 00:14:04,814 He's a musician as well. 284 00:14:04,814 --> 00:14:07,484 So he has lots of background in throwing shows, producing shows. 285 00:14:07,874 --> 00:14:10,994 So I think using our knowledge of production value and putting on a 286 00:14:10,994 --> 00:14:14,474 good entertaining show for people and making sure it visually looks good. 287 00:14:15,204 --> 00:14:17,149 We're trying to just Make the whole scene rise. 288 00:14:17,149 --> 00:14:20,839 Well, we want to see more shows pop up that aren't just an open 289 00:14:20,979 --> 00:14:24,599 mic with nothing wrong with that, but we have like 30 open mics. 290 00:14:24,609 --> 00:14:29,059 We don't need another right now, but we need more shows in my opinion. 291 00:14:29,069 --> 00:14:29,089 You 292 00:14:29,089 --> 00:14:30,589 need more stage time, right? 293 00:14:30,589 --> 00:14:31,819 Like comics, comics. 294 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:35,879 When I, when I first started, my, my comedy mentor said something really 295 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:40,779 stuck with me, which is that comedy is the only art form that you have to 296 00:14:40,779 --> 00:14:42,899 practice in front of your audience. 297 00:14:42,939 --> 00:14:43,299 Yeah. 298 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:43,394 Yeah. 299 00:14:43,864 --> 00:14:44,204 Right? 300 00:14:44,274 --> 00:14:47,404 Every other art form, you can go into a closet somewhere. 301 00:14:47,634 --> 00:14:50,904 If you're, uh, if you're playing an instrument, you can go into a closet 302 00:14:50,904 --> 00:14:54,144 somewhere and you can just do that thing over and over and over and over and 303 00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:56,684 over and over and over and over and over and over and over until it's perfect. 304 00:14:57,064 --> 00:14:57,314 Yeah. 305 00:14:57,884 --> 00:15:00,104 You can rehearse lines, right? 306 00:15:00,104 --> 00:15:04,814 You can once, you know, a bit works, but, but even then, 307 00:15:04,854 --> 00:15:06,244 you never know until you hit the stage, 308 00:15:06,474 --> 00:15:10,864 you never know until you hit the stage and, and there's something about, and 309 00:15:10,864 --> 00:15:12,604 so I love, God, it, it tickles me. 310 00:15:12,604 --> 00:15:14,424 I love that because I love that. 311 00:15:14,904 --> 00:15:19,304 Cause what I saw in missing in the scene in, in salt lake. 312 00:15:19,574 --> 00:15:22,184 And then as soon as I started talking to Kate banks, I was like, Oh, 313 00:15:22,184 --> 00:15:24,254 obviously this is the case in Vegas. 314 00:15:24,294 --> 00:15:25,244 Obviously this is the case. 315 00:15:25,244 --> 00:15:26,074 Probably anywhere. 316 00:15:26,074 --> 00:15:27,854 There's a scene, especially a city 317 00:15:27,854 --> 00:15:30,724 like Vegas and salt lake where we're not quite small. 318 00:15:31,024 --> 00:15:34,744 We have a decent sized scene, but we're not LA, New York, et cetera. 319 00:15:35,154 --> 00:15:35,414 Right. 320 00:15:35,414 --> 00:15:40,124 It's sort of there's, but, but what I found was dozens of really talented, 321 00:15:40,224 --> 00:15:47,144 really funny people who are all kind of clamoring for the same, like three or 322 00:15:47,144 --> 00:15:52,654 four spots on maybe opening a weekend at wise guys, maybe opening it, like maybe 323 00:15:52,654 --> 00:15:59,324 doing something that Jimmy, like with very few opportunities and, um, and there's 324 00:15:59,324 --> 00:16:00,994 something in my brain that just says. 325 00:16:01,404 --> 00:16:05,974 Uh, if, if I can't, if I can't get an opportunity, I'll make 326 00:16:05,974 --> 00:16:07,474 that opportunity for myself. 327 00:16:07,554 -->

00:16:07,964 Yeah. 328 00:16:08,274 --> 00:16:09,394 And I love that. 329 00:16:09,404 --> 00:16:10,594 That's what you're doing now. 330 00:16:10,594 --> 00:16:11,184 I love that. 331 00:16:11,224 --> 00:16:15,574 I love seeing, I love seeing that, that cause you're right. 332 00:16:15,574 --> 00:16:16,434 We need more shows. 333 00:16:16,454 --> 00:16:18,954 There's no, there's not, there's no competition in comedy. 334 00:16:19,694 --> 00:16:22,924 Our competition in comedy is not with other comedians. 335 00:16:23,134 --> 00:16:23,604 It's with ourselves. 336 00:16:23,604 --> 00:16:23,794 Yeah. 337 00:16:23,794 --> 00:16:24,359 For sure. 338 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:25,969 It's not with other shows. 339 00:16:26,239 --> 00:16:28,149 Your show does not compete with my show. 340 00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:30,299 They compliment each other, right? 341 00:16:30,549 --> 00:16:36,519 Because our real, our real competition is Netflix, is movie theaters. 342 00:16:36,719 --> 00:16:41,459 It's any kind of, it's any kind of entertainment that sort of keeps you 343 00:16:41,459 --> 00:16:44,979 locked inside of your house and doesn't get you out around other people. 344 00:16:45,589 --> 00:16:48,759 So anything that builds the scene, anything that gets more 345 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:53,339 people experiencing live comedy is powerful and it's good for everyone. 346 00:16:53,579 --> 00:16:57,759 And I think it's especially good for the world right now because 347 00:16:57,819 --> 00:17:00,679 the world is batshit crazy. 348 00:17:00,829 --> 00:17:02,219 We're, we're in the apocalypse. 349 00:17:02,219 --> 00:17:03,859 It's happening all around us 350 00:17:03,869 --> 00:17:04,419 for sure. 351 00:17:04,639 --> 00:17:10,009 And, and as it's happening all around us, I, I can't think of anything more 352 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,949 because I have very little control. 353 00:17:12,339 --> 00:17:14,329 Over the world, right? 354 00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:16,629 I have very little control over who's president. 355 00:17:16,679 --> 00:17:20,939 I have very little control over, over even things like climate change or any of these 356 00:17:21,019 --> 00:17:22,559 big things that are, that are happening. 357 00:17:22,659 --> 00:17:22,769 We 358 00:17:22,769 --> 00:17:23,759 can only do so much. 359 00:17:23,989 --> 00:17:25,049 We can only do so much. 360 00:17:25,609 --> 00:17:27,399 And that doesn't mean we shouldn't do those things. 361 00:17:27,619 --> 00:17:32,629 Obviously we should, but also I think it's really easy to get overwhelmed 362 00:17:32,639 --> 00:17:36,639 by all of that stuff and to forget that we actually have a lot of 363 00:17:36,649 --> 00:17:39,449 power over our, our immediate world. 364 00:17:40,809 --> 00:17:44,029 Your immediate world in Vegas, my immediate world in Salt Lake, right? 365 00:17:44,059 --> 00:17:49,169 That we can actually do a lot to create safety, to create 366 00:17:49,349 --> 00:17:52,659 community, to create fun in. 367 00:17:52,689 --> 00:17:55,449 And so it doesn't have to be that the, even though things are 368 00:17:55,459 --> 00:18:00,269 crazy and, and not even crazy, I would say objectively bad, right? 369 00:18:00,269 --> 00:18:01,409 Like I, I remember. 370 00:18:01,954 --> 00:18:07,074 I think a year ago, I read that the UN said, we're not even doing, we 371 00:18:07,074 --> 00:18:08,584 can't call it global warming anymore. 372 00:18:08,594 --> 00:18:11,334 It's we're in global boiling, like we already warned it. 373 00:18:11,334 --> 00:18:12,084 That's scary. 374 00:18:13,354 --> 00:18:13,944 I didn't know that. 375 00:18:14,564 --> 00:18:15,954 Yeah, we already did it. 376 00:18:15,954 --> 00:18:16,744 Like we won it. 377 00:18:16,744 --> 00:18:18,334 We've already tipped. 378 00:18:18,444 --> 00:18:20,144 We're past the point of no return already. 379 00:18:20,614 --> 00:18:21,084 Yeah. 380 00:18:21,364 --> 00:18:24,954 And, and the way I kind of think about it is like, have you ever seen like 381 00:18:24,954 --> 00:18:28,634 an avalanche and like a film of like a, of snow falling off a mountain? 382 00:18:28,754 --> 00:18:29,034 Yeah. 383 00:18:29,549 --> 00:18:32,339 There's kind of this moment where there's sort of like this crack, you 384 00:18:32,339 --> 00:18:38,829 sort of see the whole mountain kind of crack and then it goes, yeah, we cracked 385 00:18:39,479 --> 00:18:41,029 that already have, we can't fix it. 386 00:18:41,789 --> 00:18:47,429 The world cracked and, and now we're in sort of the, the, the, the drop. 387 00:18:47,829 --> 00:18:51,389 And I think knowing that if you are, if you're aware that that's where 388 00:18:51,389 --> 00:18:52,499 you're at, then you can snowboard. 389 00:18:52,919 --> 00:18:54,149 Down, then you can serve, right? 390 00:18:54,149 --> 00:18:55,959 Then you can sort of ride that wave. 391 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:00,829 And while you're, and my intention is I'm riding that wave is I want as many 392 00:19:00,829 --> 00:19:02,729 people as I have direct influence over. 393 00:19:02,729 --> 00:19:06,869 And as I have power to protect and to care for those humans are going to be safe. 394 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:07,479 Those 395 00:19:07,479 --> 00:19:08,849 humans are going to have a good time. 396 00:19:08,849 --> 00:19:09,859 They're going to feel okay. 397 00:19:10,139 --> 00:19:13,599 And I can't think of anything more powerful, especially in our world, 398 00:19:13,629 --> 00:19:19,079 in America right now, because there are vast Powers that are dedicated 399 00:19:19,399 --> 00:19:21,229 to, to making us hate each other. 400 00:19:21,729 --> 00:19:21,809 I 401 00:19:21,809 --> 00:19:27,749 can't think of anything more powerful than to combat that hate with get 402 00:19:27,749 --> 00:19:31,059 together in a room with people that are all live in your neighborhood, 403 00:19:31,059 --> 00:19:33,279 that all live in your city and laugh. 404 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,719 Yeah. 405 00:19:35,719 -->

00:19:36,729 I'm big on community. 406 00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:41,199 Um, I grew up like my parents like ran a food bank. 407 00:19:41,684 --> 00:19:46,154 And so it's just like, it's giving back to the community has just always been, 408 00:19:46,974 --> 00:19:48,434 it's ingrained in me at this point. 409 00:19:48,494 --> 00:19:52,684 And so like, it's why it feels good to give back to this, my new 410 00:19:52,714 --> 00:19:54,344 community, this comedy community. 411 00:19:54,764 --> 00:19:56,774 And it's, it's, it's, it's fun. 412 00:19:57,564 --> 00:19:58,894 Where did you, where did you grow up? 413 00:19:59,414 --> 00:20:00,954 I grew up here, born and raised Vegas. 414 00:20:01,074 --> 00:20:02,474 Oh, Vegas, Vegas local. 415 00:20:02,474 --> 00:20:02,924 Hell yeah. 416 00:20:03,054 --> 00:20:03,434 Yep. 417 00:20:03,744 --> 00:20:06,214 I'm four generations in Vegas. 418 00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:07,574 Whoa. 419 00:20:07,604 --> 00:20:07,814 Yeah. 420 00:20:09,344 --> 00:20:10,234 Not many of us. 421 00:20:11,249 --> 00:20:11,509 You're 422 00:20:11,509 --> 00:20:13,609 almost as Vegas as I am Mormon. 423 00:20:13,849 --> 00:20:14,519 Yeah. 424 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:15,299 Yeah. 425 00:20:15,879 --> 00:20:17,609 I'm just missing a second mother. 426 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,459 Uh, it's not, it's not all it's cracked up to be. 427 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:25,629 Um, let's talk, let's kind of shift a little bit. 428 00:20:25,629 --> 00:20:28,939 Let's talk a little bit about, um, your comedy journey. 429 00:20:28,939 --> 00:20:31,599 Let's talk about sort of got in what sort of brought you into it. 430 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:35,739 And I know that I've, I've, I'm aware of sort of some of the peripherals of it. 431 00:20:35,739 --> 00:20:38,059 And so only talk about what feels, what feels okay for you. 432 00:20:38,059 --> 00:20:40,429 But I know that there's There's some sadness there. 433 00:20:40,809 --> 00:20:42,929 Apologies, there's a printer going off right now. 434 00:20:42,949 --> 00:20:44,079 So that is in the background. 435 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:45,649 It's okay. 436 00:20:45,649 --> 00:20:46,279 I can't even hear it. 437 00:20:46,389 --> 00:20:46,699 Okay. 438 00:20:46,699 --> 00:20:46,919 Cool. 439 00:20:46,919 --> 00:20:47,099 Cool. 440 00:20:47,099 --> 00:20:47,359 Cool. 441 00:20:47,439 --> 00:20:48,619 And, and it doesn't matter. 442 00:20:48,619 --> 00:20:49,599 It's the apocalypse. 443 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:49,889 Yeah. 444 00:20:51,419 --> 00:20:53,099 Sometimes the internet doesn't work. 445 00:20:53,719 --> 00:20:54,039 True. 446 00:20:55,539 --> 00:20:56,629 Um, so yes, what were you saying? 447 00:20:56,629 --> 00:20:57,159 I'm sorry. 448 00:20:57,429 --> 00:20:59,949 So yeah, no, just let's, let's jump into your journey. 449 00:20:59,949 --> 00:21:03,059 Like when, when did you, when did you, did you always know 450 00:21:03,059 --> 00:21:04,349 that you wanted to do comedy? 451 00:21:04,469 --> 00:21:06,439 Never, never, ever, ever. 452 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:09,489 I, uh, I've always been a really shy guy. 453 00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:11,369 I work behind the scenes. 454 00:21:11,864 --> 00:21:12,994 behind the camera. 455 00:21:13,404 --> 00:21:16,024 I don't like the camera in my face. 456 00:21:16,024 --> 00:21:17,494 I don't like lights on me. 457 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:20,834 It's the most unnatural thing for me to have ever done. 458 00:21:21,484 --> 00:21:23,284 And it just kind of happened. 459 00:21:23,354 --> 00:21:25,384 It was, uh, it was in March. 460 00:21:25,754 --> 00:21:27,664 I, uh, started March 7th. 461 00:21:27,934 --> 00:21:30,414 That's my comedy anniversary, I guess you could say. 462 00:21:31,134 --> 00:21:36,474 And, uh, I was just going to this, there's this bar that my office space 463 00:21:36,474 --> 00:21:39,324 at the time was at called Ola Habibi. 464 00:21:39,504 --> 00:21:42,444 And they host the open mic there every Thursday. 465 00:21:42,874 --> 00:21:46,414 And I was just there watching and I was like, this is fun. 466 00:21:46,414 --> 00:21:49,994 And so I remember somebody made a suicide joke. 467 00:21:51,024 --> 00:21:54,744 Um, like six months before that, my dad had committed suicide. 468 00:21:55,224 --> 00:21:59,054 And so I saw that and laughed at it and I was like, Oh wait, 469 00:21:59,094 --> 00:22:00,204 this is, this can be funny. 470 00:22:02,234 --> 00:22:05,454 And this was also like, so, so he passed in July. 471 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:08,919 of last year and then in January of this year, um, my little 472 00:22:08,919 --> 00:22:10,159 sister passed away as well. 473 00:22:10,939 --> 00:22:16,199 So this was like two months after that when I'm just like at an all time low. 474 00:22:16,899 --> 00:22:17,989 Life fucking sucks. 475 00:22:17,989 --> 00:22:19,149 There's no point to this. 476 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:20,209 But I just 477 00:22:20,209 --> 00:22:24,079 watched this and I just started laughing and one, like a week or 478 00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:25,409 two later, I just went up there. 479 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:27,779 I didn't jump straight into those jokes. 480 00:22:27,849 --> 00:22:29,809 I started with a terrible story. 481 00:22:29,809 --> 00:22:30,489 It was awful. 482 00:22:31,399 --> 00:22:32,179 Did terrible. 483 00:22:32,469 --> 00:22:35,049 But as I kept going, I just was like, let me try to write about. 484 00:22:35,729 --> 00:22:36,669 My dad hanging himself. 485 00:22:36,669 --> 00:22:37,319 That could be funny. 486 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,029 And, and it's, it's, it's been funny. 487 00:22:40,029 --> 00:22:40,979 It's been healing too. 488 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,219 Like, I feel like I've learned a lot about myself through writing these 489 00:22:43,219 --> 00:22:46,249 jokes and just this whole comedy thing. 490 00:22:46,249 --> 00:22:48,289 Cause this is a side of myself I didn't know existed. 491 00:22:48,299 --> 00:22:50,459 I mean, at all. 492 00:22:51,249 -->

00:22:53,359 Dude, I, I so appreciate the vulnerability there. 493 00:22:53,379 --> 00:22:56,129 And I, like, I wanted to first acknowledge, I wish 494 00:22:56,129 --> 00:22:57,139 I could give you a big hug. 495 00:22:57,139 --> 00:22:59,369 I want to first acknowledge, right? 496 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:01,659 Like that is real suffering. 497 00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:03,029 That's real tragedy. 498 00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:06,694 That is, that is, That is, that is really, really heartbreaking. 499 00:23:07,254 --> 00:23:14,744 Um, and I love that, the, the, the surprise that you got in that, at that 500 00:23:14,774 --> 00:23:19,254 open mic, where suddenly this thing that I imagined had just been like 501 00:23:19,374 --> 00:23:27,469 weighing on you, and just so heavy and so tragic and so, Just unbearable. 502 00:23:27,699 --> 00:23:30,009 And then somebody makes a joke about suicide. 503 00:23:30,029 --> 00:23:33,149 And I'll bet it was so surprising to you that you laughed. 504 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:33,599 Dude. 505 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:34,459 Yeah, I was dying. 506 00:23:35,129 --> 00:23:35,749 I was dying. 507 00:23:36,979 --> 00:23:40,609 And I recently saw that comic, uh, when Kill Tony was here in 508 00:23:40,609 --> 00:23:41,959 September, I saw him in the line. 509 00:23:41,959 --> 00:23:43,349 That was my first time seeing him since then. 510 00:23:43,349 --> 00:23:46,379 I just told him like, Hey, that joke right there made me start doing it. 511 00:23:46,379 --> 00:23:49,209 Yes. 512 00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:50,819 Do you remember the joke? 513 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:55,459 I don't exactly, but it was something about like this guy hanging himself. 514 00:23:57,354 --> 00:23:58,084 I don't remember it. 515 00:23:58,154 --> 00:24:02,014 I wish I could, but it was, I remember it happened. 516 00:24:02,814 --> 00:24:05,254 I don't even know that the context necessarily, because what it, 517 00:24:06,174 --> 00:24:10,734 what it did is it, is it tapped into everything's energy, right? 518 00:24:10,734 --> 00:24:15,214 So you had, you had all of this emotional energy that was wrapped up in 519 00:24:15,224 --> 00:24:19,214 tragedy and in, and that was connected to that and what he was able to do. 520 00:24:19,214 --> 00:24:24,984 And this is why comedy is so magic is he was able to sort of get into that Little 521 00:24:24,984 --> 00:24:27,044 knot of energy that was inside of you. 522 00:24:27,454 --> 00:24:32,514 And, and he was able to release it physically and laughter, laughter. 523 00:24:32,544 --> 00:24:37,104 If you think about the physiology of laughter, it's almost like sobbing. 524 00:24:37,804 --> 00:24:38,134 Yeah. 525 00:24:38,614 --> 00:24:38,954 Right. 526 00:24:38,984 --> 00:24:39,804 You're, you're, 527 00:24:39,944 --> 00:24:42,574 it's the most healing thing through grief, man. 528 00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:46,334 I mean, I've been through too much grief in the past year, and I can say that the 529 00:24:46,394 --> 00:24:52,674 laughter has been made like such a huge difference and just going out, being out, 530 00:24:53,264 --> 00:24:55,244 talking about it, my thing is I can't. 531 00:24:56,384 --> 00:24:58,884 The way I write jokes, I just pull from stories. 532 00:24:58,894 --> 00:25:02,754 I've had a pretty interesting life and so every joke I've told is a true story. 533 00:25:03,674 --> 00:25:09,234 And when I, when I became ready to like, start talking about it, I think I wrote 534 00:25:09,254 --> 00:25:16,314 my first dead dad joke in April and I just like, you could tell I'm not lying. 535 00:25:16,374 --> 00:25:18,964 Like last night I did an open mic and this, this girl came up to me. 536 00:25:18,964 --> 00:25:22,254 She's seen my set a bunch of times and she's like, is your dad actually dead? 537 00:25:23,864 --> 00:25:24,834 I said, yes. 538 00:25:25,364 --> 00:25:26,264 She's like, oh shit. 539 00:25:26,274 --> 00:25:27,284 So it's like the. 540 00:25:29,574 --> 00:25:32,934 It made me feel like, okay, I can't tap into that dark side of me to get 541 00:25:32,934 --> 00:25:35,234 these jokes out, get these jokes off. 542 00:25:36,004 --> 00:25:38,624 I have a couple jokes about my sister's passing, I own still. 543 00:25:38,914 --> 00:25:41,274 That one just stings too much to really joke about. 544 00:25:42,494 --> 00:25:44,684 She was, uh, she was killed by a drunk driver. 545 00:25:45,724 --> 00:25:46,924 Yeah, she was pregnant. 546 00:25:46,924 --> 00:25:48,694 It was a whole sad thing. 547 00:25:49,034 --> 00:25:49,204 21 548 00:25:50,014 --> 00:25:50,554 years old. 549 00:25:53,024 --> 00:25:54,644 So I haven't found the humor in that one yet. 550 00:25:54,684 --> 00:25:55,344 I've tried. 551 00:25:55,444 --> 00:26:00,424 I have a couple concepts and bits and stories regarding her funeral, but They 552 00:26:00,424 --> 00:26:03,794 never really get laughs like that, and I always feel uncomfortable telling 553 00:26:03,794 --> 00:26:07,404 them, so I'm just, I've shelved those until I get to a better place in my 554 00:26:07,414 --> 00:26:08,984 five stages of grief on that one. 555 00:26:09,184 --> 00:26:14,024 You know what, so as, as a, as someone who's also used comedy to, to deal with 556 00:26:14,914 --> 00:26:17,024 sometimes absurd and horrific tragedy. 557 00:26:17,264 --> 00:26:17,554 Yeah. 558 00:26:18,384 --> 00:26:22,339 What I've found is, You have to find it funny first. 559 00:26:22,469 --> 00:26:23,879 Yeah, 100%. 560 00:26:24,339 --> 00:26:28,439 So like, I think probably the reason you're able to lean into your father's 561 00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:32,529 passing is that, that, that comic came in. 562 00:26:32,659 --> 00:26:32,969 Yeah. 563 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:33,989 Planted 564 00:26:33,989 --> 00:26:34,939 that 565 00:26:34,939 --> 00:26:35,889 seed. 566 00:26:35,889 --> 00:26:38,919 And so I would say don't, don't force it. 567 00:26:38,949 --> 00:26:39,209 Right? 568 00:26:39,209 --> 00:26:44,719 Like you gotta,

there's a lot of, a lot of comics like to get on stage and joke 569 00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:46,489 about how comedy is cheaper than therapy. 570 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:47,229 Yeah. 571 00:26:47,399 --> 00:26:51,619 And I, I'm, my response to all of those people is please go to therapy. 572 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:52,369 Yeah, 573 00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:57,219 because, because you have to process it first. 574 00:26:57,219 --> 00:26:59,519 It has to become funny to you first. 575 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:00,289 A hundred percent. 576 00:27:00,289 --> 00:27:00,699 Yes. 577 00:27:01,174 --> 00:27:05,024 Honestly, what we're doing, what we're doing is a little bit spiritual, right? 578 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:07,854 Because what we're doing is we're standing in front of people. 579 00:27:08,094 --> 00:27:11,014 And especially if we're going to make jokes about grief or tragedy, we're 580 00:27:11,014 --> 00:27:16,194 standing in front of people and we're inviting everyone into our grief and 581 00:27:16,194 --> 00:27:21,514 we're inviting them to bring their grief into our grief and we're going to show 582 00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:25,144 them how actually it's this, right. 583 00:27:25,434 --> 00:27:27,194 And we can only do that. 584 00:27:27,234 --> 00:27:29,594 If we can do that ourselves. 585 00:27:30,054 --> 00:27:30,294 Right. 586 00:27:30,294 --> 00:27:33,044 We can only do that if we've already found that. 587 00:27:33,334 --> 00:27:36,724 And if we haven't found that, then all we're doing is we're inviting people into 588 00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:38,654 our grief and now we're all sad together. 589 00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:39,424 Yeah. 590 00:27:39,604 --> 00:27:42,704 And I've had that happen where it has backfired where I'll be up there and 591 00:27:42,804 --> 00:27:48,874 it's just sad and it's, it's like, uh, my biggest punchline is like a lot of friends 592 00:27:48,994 --> 00:27:53,774 didn't, their dads didn't stick around mine hung around when that gets nothing. 593 00:27:54,034 --> 00:27:57,244 It like gets in my head and I'm like, oh man, maybe I'm just sad. 594 00:27:57,244 --> 00:27:59,084 Maybe my delivery's off tonight or something. 595 00:28:00,664 --> 00:28:02,534 Oh, my dad hung around. 596 00:28:05,144 --> 00:28:09,514 So since, uh, I went to that open mic in March, I haven't stopped. 597 00:28:09,584 --> 00:28:13,134 I go to like three, four, five mics a week since then. 598 00:28:13,674 --> 00:28:16,734 Just wanted to get the stage time, get it comfortable being on stage. 599 00:28:16,754 --> 00:28:18,884 Cause it's such a foreign thing to me. 600 00:28:19,584 --> 00:28:20,174 And. 601 00:28:22,084 --> 00:28:22,454 I love it. 602 00:28:22,504 --> 00:28:25,864 I've found a good community to love, love the comics out here. 603 00:28:25,864 --> 00:28:28,644 It's, it's a fun hang, something to do at night. 604 00:28:28,704 --> 00:28:29,004 And 605 00:28:29,484 --> 00:28:29,604 it's, 606 00:28:30,204 --> 00:28:33,474 I'd say if I wasn't

doing that, I don't know where I'd be right now. 607 00:28:33,484 --> 00:28:34,304 This past year. 608 00:28:34,304 --> 00:28:37,004 I don't know how I would have gotten through this year without comedy. 609 00:28:37,404 --> 00:28:41,444 So there's this, there's this, uh, uh, psychology professor. 610 00:28:41,444 --> 00:28:41,884 I love his name. 611 00:28:41,894 --> 00:28:42,854 It's Martin Seligman. 612 00:28:42,884 --> 00:28:46,754 He's, he's sort of credited as one of the founders of the, of the positive 613 00:28:46,754 --> 00:28:51,394 psychology movement, meaning that it used to be in psychology that we just studied. 614 00:28:51,714 --> 00:28:52,574 Neuroses. 615 00:28:53,004 --> 00:28:54,724 So we, what was wrong with people. 616 00:28:54,794 --> 00:28:57,254 And then he and a bunch of other people came along and like, I think 617 00:28:57,254 --> 00:28:58,444 the seventies or the eighties. 618 00:28:58,444 --> 00:29:01,724 And they were like, Hey, what if we studied healthy, happy people? 619 00:29:01,904 --> 00:29:03,924 And we figured out what makes people healthy and happy. 620 00:29:04,464 --> 00:29:07,434 And one of the, one of my favorite things that they did is they, they 621 00:29:07,434 --> 00:29:10,144 can, I've got, I've got it on my bookshelf because I'm a nerd, but 622 00:29:10,144 --> 00:29:12,224 it's this huge thick, it's a textbook. 623 00:29:12,234 --> 00:29:16,194 It's like a Harvard textbook and it's called character strengths and virtues. 624 00:29:16,794 --> 00:29:21,094 And what they do is they, they went out and they studied every world religion. 625 00:29:21,464 --> 00:29:25,854 They studied every major philosophy and their question was, are 626 00:29:25,854 --> 00:29:28,554 there common human values? 627 00:29:28,764 --> 00:29:33,734 Can we sort of find values that all humans share across all different worlds? 628 00:29:34,204 --> 00:29:37,004 And, and then can we categorize them in a way that makes sense? 629 00:29:37,384 --> 00:29:39,184 And so they came up with like these different buckets. 630 00:29:39,544 --> 00:29:41,884 There's like virtues of Of courage. 631 00:29:41,914 --> 00:29:43,514 There are virtues of humanity. 632 00:29:43,804 --> 00:29:47,274 And one of the buckets that they created was virtues of transcendence, 633 00:29:47,654 --> 00:29:50,764 meaning that there are, there are certain virtues or certain values 634 00:29:50,764 --> 00:29:54,834 that we have as humans that help us transcend, that help us rise above. 635 00:29:55,074 --> 00:29:58,674 And those are things like awe or respect or worship. 636 00:29:58,864 --> 00:30:02,134 But the, one of the things that they included in there that I love is humor. 637 00:30:03,434 --> 00:30:07,934 So humor is a transcendent value because, and I think that 638 00:30:07,944 --> 00:30:10,224 that's why in some ways we are. 639 00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:14,009 We're sort of like, I tell people, like, I joke that I'm a prophet. 640 00:30:14,009 --> 00:30:17,039 Like that's kind of like a little bit of a gag, especially with my background. 641 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,629 But there's also an element of truth underneath there where, where I really 642 00:30:20,629 --> 00:30:27,749 do believe that the comic is not just silly, obviously we are silly. 643 00:30:28,334 --> 00:30:28,634 That's the point. 644 00:30:29,274 --> 00:30:32,474 But what we're really doing is we're, we're, we're finding 645 00:30:32,564 --> 00:30:34,244 the, the, the suffering. 646 00:30:34,454 --> 00:30:35,834 We're finding the pain. 647 00:30:36,244 --> 00:30:39,844 And we're, I mean, people say you shouldn't make light of things 648 00:30:39,844 --> 00:30:41,314 that are, that are serious. 649 00:30:41,484 --> 00:30:44,664 And I'm like, why would you do anything else? 650 00:30:44,664 --> 00:30:44,934 Yeah. 651 00:30:45,444 --> 00:30:46,284 That's, that's dumb. 652 00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:46,574 Yeah. 653 00:30:48,454 --> 00:30:52,344 Why would you not look at a burden, like something heavy, the burden of 654 00:30:52,354 --> 00:30:58,319 grief that someone is carrying and say, Hey, if you're open to it, I 655 00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,319 could make that a little bit lighter. 656 00:31:00,469 --> 00:31:00,809 Yeah. 657 00:31:01,059 --> 00:31:04,449 Cause as soon as you can laugh at something, it doesn't have power over you. 658 00:31:04,609 --> 00:31:06,919 It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean that anymore. 659 00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:10,539 Like I, that your dad's passing is still really tragic. 660 00:31:10,569 --> 00:31:10,999 Oh man. 661 00:31:11,009 --> 00:31:12,749 Like that's what I said in the beginning of the call that 662 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:14,289 holidays are fucking rough. 663 00:31:14,509 --> 00:31:17,329 Like it was about to be the first Christmas without my little sister around. 664 00:31:17,479 --> 00:31:18,819 So it's like, that's it. 665 00:31:18,819 --> 00:31:22,849 And then she has a daughter and like, It's just that little girl doesn't have 666 00:31:22,849 --> 00:31:28,709 a mom now and it's it does happen it hits me in random times But like because 667 00:31:28,709 --> 00:31:30,669 it's still so fresh less than a year 668 00:31:32,949 --> 00:31:37,809 But I think with grief and death it's so relatable because it's one of the 669 00:31:37,819 --> 00:31:41,999 few inevitable things of life We're all gonna die and we're all gonna know some 670 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,089 somebody we love is gonna die, right? 671 00:31:44,639 --> 00:31:47,279 It's the hard truth of life, it's gonna happen. 672 00:31:47,809 --> 00:31:47,959 Yes. 673 00:31:47,979 --> 00:31:50,619 And I think people are afraid of that, understandably so. 674 00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:53,909 And so, some people get really uncomfortable to talk about death. 675 00:31:54,489 --> 00:31:56,409 And I wanna get rid of that shit. 676 00:31:56,579 --> 00:32:01,779 Like, we should, like, people are, like, people have asked me so many times, like,

677 00:32:01,779 --> 00:32:05,339 oh, I just, I just don't know how to ask, or I don't know how to say this, like, 678 00:32:05,339 --> 00:32:06,839 is it weird if I ask you this question? 679 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:08,139 I'm like, no, ask away, dude. 680 00:32:08,169 --> 00:32:11,849 I'm an open book, and this shit needs to it's such a normal thing. 681 00:32:11,879 --> 00:32:13,499 We should be normal talking about it. 682 00:32:13,529 --> 00:32:16,479 We shouldn't need to, like, be afraid to talk about it, because 683 00:32:16,479 --> 00:32:17,689 death might come get us next. 684 00:32:17,689 --> 00:32:21,549 Like, I don't I don't know what the process behind that is, but I'm 685 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:25,299 very open to talk about My death, my grief process, things that 686 00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:26,549 have helped, things that haven't. 687 00:32:27,849 --> 00:32:29,219 Comedy's helped, for sure. 688 00:32:29,779 --> 00:32:30,439 Comedy helps. 689 00:32:30,619 --> 00:32:35,729 Comedy, I think, I can't think of any, any way to, and especially, especially 690 00:32:35,729 --> 00:32:39,379 to like, be able to process your grief, and then to, then to say it 691 00:32:39,389 --> 00:32:42,129 on stage, and then get a big laugh. 692 00:32:42,459 --> 00:32:42,819 Yeah, 693 00:32:43,709 --> 00:32:44,659 it's a great feeling. 694 00:32:45,059 --> 00:32:47,099 It's literally laughing in the face of death. 695 00:32:47,199 --> 00:32:48,939 Yeah, it is a great feeling. 696 00:32:49,019 --> 00:32:51,689 And that's why when those jokes bomb, it hits that much harder. 697 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:56,979 I needed that dopamine. 698 00:32:57,449 --> 00:32:57,849 Yeah. 699 00:33:00,529 --> 00:33:03,009 Dude, you and I, we should write some, we should write some hanging 700 00:33:03,009 --> 00:33:06,019 dad jokes sometimes because my, my dad also hung himself. 701 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:06,879 Oh, wow. 702 00:33:06,969 --> 00:33:07,709 But yeah, I'm down. 703 00:33:08,184 --> 00:33:09,784 Let me tell you, let me tell you the whole thing. 704 00:33:09,794 --> 00:33:13,924 Cause he didn't, so he hung himself as a joke at my like ninth birthday party. 705 00:33:14,814 --> 00:33:19,574 So we were going, we were going camping and, and this like, this like 706 00:33:19,584 --> 00:33:24,374 really, it like really fucked me up for a while because, uh, we were, 707 00:33:24,394 --> 00:33:27,534 we were going camping and I like really wanted to go camping cause 708 00:33:27,534 --> 00:33:30,974 I had like, 13 days older than me. 709 00:33:31,604 --> 00:33:34,844 So, so we're basically like twins and we would always, he's 710 00:33:34,844 --> 00:33:36,074 from another mom, obviously. 711 00:33:36,104 --> 00:33:36,374 Yeah. 712 00:33:36,374 --> 00:33:36,439 Yeah. 713 00:33:36,659 --> 00:33:40,219 And so we would always celebrate our birthdays together because when you have 714 00:33:40,289 --> 00:33:43,689 16 kids in your family, you don't, people don't get individual birthday parties. 715 00:33:43,699 --> 00:33:44,439 Yeah. 716 00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:46,019 Group parties. 717 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:47,129 Group parties. 718 00:33:47,129 --> 00:33:47,419 Right. 719 00:33:47,739 --> 00:33:51,299 And so, uh, when I was eight or nine, I finally was able to get, like, 720 00:33:51,299 --> 00:33:54,419 I talked my parents into giving me my own party and it was going to 721 00:33:54,429 --> 00:33:55,389 be, we were going to go camping. 722 00:33:55,399 --> 00:33:58,359 My dad was going to take us camping up into the mountains with, with some, with 723 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:05,849 some of my friends and we went up there and, um, We were like, we like hung out, 724 00:34:05,849 --> 00:34:08,429 we like built a little, we were by a creek, we like built a little dam, we 725 00:34:08,429 --> 00:34:09,789 were like climbing a mountain and shit. 726 00:34:10,059 --> 00:34:12,679 And then we go into the tent at night and it's me and all my friends and we're 727 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,769 all telling like scary stories and my dad is out at the campfire and all of 728 00:34:16,769 --> 00:34:19,919 a sudden we hear Him start screaming. 729 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,139 He's like, Hey, what are you, what are you doing? 730 00:34:22,139 --> 00:34:22,949 Get away from here. 731 00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:28,049 Ah, and we're all, we're all programmed in like this end 732 00:34:28,049 --> 00:34:29,129 of the world bullshit, right? 733 00:34:29,129 --> 00:34:29,399 Yeah. 734 00:34:29,489 --> 00:34:31,799 We're expecting to be attacked by the evil. 735 00:34:31,799 --> 00:34:31,919 Like a 736 00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:32,789 bear or something? 737 00:34:32,939 --> 00:34:33,419 No, not 738 00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:34,139 even bears, like 739 00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:36,119 evil people are coming together. 740 00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:36,179 Oh 741 00:34:36,179 --> 00:34:36,509 shit. 742 00:34:36,569 --> 00:34:37,049 Okay. 743 00:34:37,169 --> 00:34:38,159 You guys, right? 744 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,659 Like the wick, the wicked. 745 00:34:39,689 --> 00:34:42,239 The world is out to get us, and it's only a matter of time before 746 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,529 they come and persecute us. 747 00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:46,679 Uhhuh, . So I'm eight or we're just like freaking out 748 00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:46,920 in there. 749 00:34:46,925 --> 00:34:47,024 Yeah. 750 00:34:47,674 --> 00:34:51,394 We, we like unzip and we have our flat and we're like going out and we're like 751 00:34:51,854 --> 00:34:53,724 going around and we're trying to see. 752 00:34:53,724 --> 00:34:57,894 And I, I remember I kind of turned my flashlight this way and I see my dad's 753 00:34:57,894 --> 00:35:03,994 legs dangling in the air and I, and I pull, pull up and I see him, he's hanging 754 00:35:04,024 --> 00:35:08,724 from a tree and my entire body freezes. 755 00:35:08,724 --> 00:35:09,334 Yeah. 756 00:35:10,784 --> 00:35:16,584 And then he starts laughing and, and

it turns out what he'd done is he'd taken a 757 00:35:17,474 --> 00:35:21,024 garden hose and he'd tied it to the tree. 758 00:35:21,024 --> 00:35:22,284 He'd thrown it over the tree. 759 00:35:22,294 --> 00:35:25,754 He'd run it down through his shirt, pants, and then created a 760 00:35:25,754 --> 00:35:27,354 little loop and he'd stood in it. 761 00:35:28,044 --> 00:35:30,974 And then he hoisted himself up and he was just pretending. 762 00:35:31,404 --> 00:35:32,494 And that, 763 00:35:32,504 --> 00:35:34,234 that is traumatizing, bro. 764 00:35:34,584 --> 00:35:37,714 That was, it was so, it was deeply traumatizing. 765 00:35:37,794 --> 00:35:43,004 I literally just quit my job because my boss did that on a live stream. 766 00:35:43,054 --> 00:35:44,194 He did the hanging joke. 767 00:35:44,574 --> 00:35:45,994 Are you kidding me? 768 00:35:46,224 --> 00:35:51,184 Yeah, he, he went on a Twitch stream and like, did a stunt gone wrong 769 00:35:51,194 --> 00:35:53,904 where he like, hung himself and everybody there thought he died. 770 00:35:54,594 --> 00:35:57,804 He was safe and harnessed up, but like, still the imagery, and I told him like, 771 00:35:57,814 --> 00:35:59,314 I can't fuck with that, so I quit. 772 00:36:00,939 --> 00:36:01,379 Dude. 773 00:36:01,759 --> 00:36:01,999 Yeah. 774 00:36:02,229 --> 00:36:02,499 Yeah. 775 00:36:02,499 --> 00:36:04,559 It, it really, it, it fucked with me. 776 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:04,859 Right. 777 00:36:04,859 --> 00:36:09,299 Because it was like, um, it also probably part of the reason I'm funny, 778 00:36:11,579 --> 00:36:15,709 but, but it did like it, it, it, it, I, I didn't really even remember that. 779 00:36:15,709 --> 00:36:18,989 I didn't deal with that until like two decades later in therapy. 780 00:36:18,989 --> 00:36:19,159 Right. 781 00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:20,739 I remembered, I remembered that. 782 00:36:21,129 --> 00:36:22,759 And, and. 783 00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:26,809 And to me, what was really, I don't know that I've even found the funny, that's 784 00:36:26,809 --> 00:36:29,419 why I think it would be fun to kind of sit down with you and sort of, yeah, 785 00:36:29,529 --> 00:36:30,029 I'd be down. 786 00:36:30,339 --> 00:36:30,769 Right. 787 00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:31,579 There's something 788 00:36:31,579 --> 00:36:32,039 there. 789 00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:33,309 There's something there for sure. 790 00:36:33,389 --> 00:36:33,969 I mean, that's it. 791 00:36:33,969 --> 00:36:37,379 That's an, like, like, I know it's true, but that's an absurd story. 792 00:36:37,399 --> 00:36:38,519 Like, that's crazy. 793 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,689 So there's, there's something there. 794 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:41,519 Imagine. 795 00:36:41,539 --> 00:36:45,629 And where, where I've gotten to is like the, cause I've, I've sort of explored 796 00:36:45,629 --> 00:36:49,509 the crazy and, and the crazy to me is. 797 00:36:49,879 --> 00:36:52,889 And, and this, I think is really the tragedy is I

can't, I have, 798 00:36:52,939 --> 00:36:56,099 I have kids, I have a, and I have a, I have a nine year old, right? 799 00:36:56,419 --> 00:36:58,569 And I cannot imagine. 800 00:36:59,339 --> 00:37:01,109 I like to play jokes on my kids, 801 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:01,449 right? 802 00:37:01,459 --> 00:37:02,189 Yeah, but not like that. 803 00:37:04,449 --> 00:37:05,229 That's crazy. 804 00:37:05,979 --> 00:37:06,739 I can't imagine. 805 00:37:06,979 --> 00:37:13,049 And, and more, more kind of sort of more, more deep than that is I, when 806 00:37:13,049 --> 00:37:17,659 I imagine what was going on in my dad's world, that, that he was at his. 807 00:37:18,049 --> 00:37:20,809 Son's birthday party and he's like alone there. 808 00:37:20,809 --> 00:37:22,069 He's just by himself. 809 00:37:22,339 --> 00:37:29,729 And then he has this thought, Oh, wouldn't it be funny if this, and which, which 810 00:37:29,729 --> 00:37:34,589 has got to mean in my mind, Oh, he was probably that suicidal ideation, right? 811 00:37:34,749 --> 00:37:36,169 That's depression, right? 812 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,219 That's, that's like some real mental health. 813 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:39,839 It's dark, right? 814 00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:41,979 That's a dark, that's a dark thing. 815 00:37:41,989 --> 00:37:43,769 That's a dark place that he went to. 816 00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:44,219 Yeah. 817 00:37:44,359 --> 00:37:48,049 Um, but there is something funny there. 818 00:37:48,329 --> 00:37:49,799 There's definitely something funny there. 819 00:37:50,179 --> 00:37:52,309 I'd love to sit down and write with you about that. 820 00:37:52,829 --> 00:37:54,469 I'll be down next time you're in Vegas. 821 00:37:54,499 --> 00:37:56,289 Cause Oh, you're in Vegas this weekend, right? 822 00:37:56,319 --> 00:37:57,259 I'm in Vegas this weekend. 823 00:37:57,259 --> 00:37:57,419 Yeah. 824 00:37:57,419 --> 00:37:59,739 I'll be, I'll be coming down Saturday or Sunday. 825 00:37:59,739 --> 00:38:03,959 So yeah, let's get to, cause I think that that would be, I haven't, I haven't 826 00:38:03,959 --> 00:38:05,959 even tried to tell that on stage. 827 00:38:05,959 --> 00:38:06,299 Yeah. 828 00:38:06,749 --> 00:38:10,109 But, but I do think there's something funny there and I think it would be 829 00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:15,269 fun to, God, I love comedy, dude. 830 00:38:15,269 --> 00:38:19,199 I think it'd be fun to write some jokes about our dads hanging themselves. 831 00:38:19,449 --> 00:38:20,329 Nah, it'd be funny. 832 00:38:20,609 --> 00:38:21,829 It probably would be funny. 833 00:38:22,369 --> 00:38:23,799 Mine just succeeded. 834 00:38:24,879 --> 00:38:25,869 Which maybe that's it. 835 00:38:25,899 --> 00:38:29,399 My dad is so, my dad is so bad at everything. 836 00:38:29,409 --> 00:38:30,199 He couldn't even hang 837 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:30,879 himself right. 838 00:38:34,029 --> 00:38:34,409 Yeah. 839 00:38:35,709 --> 00:38:39,269 That actually might work because I, uh, we're going to have to put 840 00:38:39,269 --> 00:38:40,629 a trigger warning on this episode. 841 00:38:42,869 --> 00:38:44,769 Definitely talks of suicide. 842 00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:51,019 By the way, you guys, um, because one of the, one of the things that I do think 843 00:38:51,019 --> 00:38:57,189 is kind of when I tell people that I was raised polygamist, um, I, I'm always, they 844 00:38:57,189 --> 00:39:00,649 always ask me like, how many moms and how many kids, and I'm always a little bit. 845 00:39:01,284 --> 00:39:02,804 Ashamed isn't the right word. 846 00:39:03,004 --> 00:39:05,314 I just don't think what I have is that impressive. 847 00:39:05,324 --> 00:39:10,574 Like I know people who have like six moms and like a hundred and I 848 00:39:12,794 --> 00:39:13,374 know, right. 849 00:39:13,374 --> 00:39:14,124 It's terrible. 850 00:39:14,484 --> 00:39:17,614 I've got really two cause there was, there was a third one, but she 851 00:39:17,614 --> 00:39:18,624 was only around for like a month. 852 00:39:18,654 --> 00:39:21,364 So I've got two and like 15 siblings. 853 00:39:21,674 --> 00:39:21,954 That's a 854 00:39:21,954 --> 00:39:22,324 lot. 855 00:39:23,414 --> 00:39:23,814 Yeah. 856 00:39:23,864 --> 00:39:25,814 I know it looks like a lot to 857 00:39:25,814 --> 00:39:26,254 you. 858 00:39:26,494 --> 00:39:30,694 To me, I sort of feel like my dad's kind of like the, the, the funny or 859 00:39:30,694 --> 00:39:34,244 the joke that I'm kind of been playing with is that my dad is shitty at, 860 00:39:34,244 --> 00:39:36,104 he's, he's bad at being a polygamist. 861 00:39:37,454 --> 00:39:38,324 That's a great bit. 862 00:39:38,614 --> 00:39:41,194 Like he's bad at being, he's a, he's a shitty polygamist. 863 00:39:42,084 --> 00:39:46,114 Maybe there's, maybe there's a through line there where, where he's not only 864 00:39:46,124 --> 00:39:49,024 is he bad at being a polygamist, but he's also bad at killing himself. 865 00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:56,939 And how depressing does it have to be to want to kill yourself and not be able to? 866 00:39:58,309 --> 00:39:58,669 Yeah. 867 00:40:01,759 --> 00:40:02,649 Anyway, that'll be fun. 868 00:40:02,659 --> 00:40:03,789 I will be fun. 869 00:40:03,969 --> 00:40:04,209 We'll play. 870 00:40:04,209 --> 00:40:04,659 I'm down. 871 00:40:04,659 --> 00:40:05,809 I'm down with that. 872 00:40:05,919 --> 00:40:07,049 If we can find something there. 873 00:40:07,049 --> 00:40:11,449 Cause I think that dude, especially like when I think 874 00:40:11,459 --> 00:40:12,829 about, when I think about the. 875 00:40:13,064 --> 00:40:15,514 The, the impact, right. 876 00:40:15,554 --> 00:40:19,394 Of, cause I, I always want my comedy to be positive, right. 877 00:40:19,394 --> 00:40:22,334 I always want it to be good for the people who hear it. 878 00:40:22,734 --> 00:40:26,404 And, and I think one of the, I think one of the things that especially 879 00:40:26,404 --> 00:40:31,094 we're, we're dealing

with, with men in, in our society right now is male 880 00:40:31,094 --> 00:40:33,134 suicide is, is at an all time high. 881 00:40:33,134 --> 00:40:34,144 It's crazy. 882 00:40:34,994 --> 00:40:40,024 And, and I think that, um, I think we, like, like you said, 883 00:40:40,034 --> 00:40:42,254 not talking about Doesn't. 884 00:40:42,704 --> 00:40:43,764 Make it go away. 885 00:40:43,794 --> 00:40:44,454 I think it actually does 886 00:40:44,454 --> 00:40:44,634 it 887 00:40:45,054 --> 00:40:45,634 worse. 888 00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:46,064 Yeah. 889 00:40:46,064 --> 00:40:49,304 And I get it's uncomfortable to talk about, but it's got to be done. 890 00:40:49,524 --> 00:40:51,464 We got to make it not an uncomfortable thing. 891 00:40:51,594 --> 00:40:52,384 Cause it's normal to make it 892 00:40:52,634 --> 00:40:53,164 not an uncomfortable thing. 893 00:40:53,164 --> 00:40:53,324 He's 894 00:40:53,324 --> 00:40:53,874 going to die. 895 00:40:54,284 --> 00:40:57,604 Everybody's going to die and, and everybody's going to die and please 896 00:40:57,614 --> 00:40:59,394 don't die because at your own hand. 897 00:41:00,209 --> 00:41:00,389 Don't. 898 00:41:00,389 --> 00:41:01,169 Hundred percent please. 899 00:41:01,169 --> 00:41:02,399 I have a, I have a cousin that did too. 900 00:41:02,399 --> 00:41:02,549 Right? 901 00:41:02,549 --> 00:41:02,609 Yeah. 902 00:41:02,609 --> 00:41:03,149 I have a cousin. 903 00:41:03,329 --> 00:41:04,559 Suicide has impacted me. 904 00:41:04,769 --> 00:41:04,949 Right. 905 00:41:04,949 --> 00:41:05,099 It 906 00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:09,329 is such a, it's a just a different type of death because it is so intentional. 907 00:41:09,789 --> 00:41:10,239 Yeah. 908 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:10,419 And 909 00:41:10,419 --> 00:41:14,049 it's, it, it, it hits different than like a sister's death where it 910 00:41:14,049 --> 00:41:15,699 was a car accident and Well, yes. 911 00:41:15,699 --> 00:41:17,199 That was crushing and sad. 912 00:41:17,789 --> 00:41:19,349 She didn't want to die. 913 00:41:19,929 --> 00:41:20,169 Right. 914 00:41:20,169 --> 00:41:24,129 Dad wanted to die, and that's just a weird thing to sit with and think like, damn. 915 00:41:24,769 --> 00:41:24,889 Yeah. 916 00:41:25,999 --> 00:41:27,199 But it's important to talk about. 917 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:28,469 Yeah. 918 00:41:28,469 --> 00:41:29,999 And, and it's wild too because my dad. 919 00:41:30,334 --> 00:41:32,164 My dad, I think also wanted to die. 920 00:41:32,494 --> 00:41:32,874 Yeah. 921 00:41:33,204 --> 00:41:36,234 And, and that, and, you know, and I, I get it right. 922 00:41:36,234 --> 00:41:39,324 Because I, there've, there've been, there've been parts, there've been times 923 00:41:39,324 --> 00:41:42,064 in my journey where I've felt that right. 924 00:41:42,064 --> 00:41:46,804 Where I've felt, Oh, it would be easier to not be here. 925 00:41:47,314 --> 00:41:47,424 I 926 00:41:47,424 --> 00:41:49,464 felt that so many times this year alone. 927 00:41:49,694 --> 00:41:52,374 So that's why I give it up to comedy for being a distraction. 928 00:41:53,174 --> 00:41:54,494 Oh no, I can't kill myself. 929 00:41:54,494 --> 00:41:55,354 I have to hit this open mic. 930 00:41:59,504 --> 00:41:59,964 Yes. 931 00:42:00,154 --> 00:42:02,734 And just promise me that I'll make the same promise to you. 932 00:42:02,794 --> 00:42:03,164 Yeah. 933 00:42:03,384 --> 00:42:05,394 Before you try to kill yourself. 934 00:42:05,474 --> 00:42:06,794 I'm not going to kill myself. 935 00:42:06,794 --> 00:42:07,194 Yeah. 936 00:42:07,394 --> 00:42:09,424 We will definitely go to an open mic first. 937 00:42:09,494 --> 00:42:10,074 Yes. 938 00:42:12,964 --> 00:42:13,294 Yeah. 939 00:42:13,709 --> 00:42:17,169 Man, I heard there was like, I guess a comic in the scene died last year and 940 00:42:17,369 --> 00:42:19,089 they did an open mic at his funeral. 941 00:42:19,779 --> 00:42:20,569 Oh, yeah! 942 00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:22,679 That 943 00:42:22,759 --> 00:42:23,789 sounds fucking crazy. 944 00:42:23,929 --> 00:42:24,689 I don't want that. 945 00:42:25,399 --> 00:42:29,319 If I die, there better not be a fucking open mic at my funeral. 946 00:42:29,509 --> 00:42:31,359 No open mic. 947 00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:33,489 What do you want for your funeral? 948 00:42:33,989 --> 00:42:35,249 Ooh, that's a good question, man. 949 00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:36,309 That's a good question. 950 00:42:36,359 --> 00:42:39,859 I want a dab bar at the, at the after party. 951 00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:43,409 I don't really, I don't, yeah, I want people to be a little sad. 952 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,299 But, nothing, nothing too crazy. 953 00:42:45,419 --> 00:42:46,699 Just, I want, I want it to be a good time. 954 00:42:46,879 --> 00:42:47,219 Party. 955 00:42:48,249 --> 00:42:51,819 I like the idea of a celebration of life, right? 956 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,479 I want to be, I want to be celebrated. 957 00:42:54,499 --> 00:42:59,749 And, and what I really want is for, for people to celebrate their connections 958 00:42:59,749 --> 00:43:01,839 with each other because of me, right? 959 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,439 I, I really feel like one of the things that I'm. 960 00:43:05,894 --> 00:43:08,354 I'm here to do is to connect people. 961 00:43:08,374 --> 00:43:10,044 I'm here to bring people together. 962 00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:13,404 I'm here to bring people together out of the darkness and into the light. 963 00:43:13,704 --> 00:43:20,024 I'm I'm here to, and so I would love if a bunch of people got together when I 964 00:43:20,024 --> 00:43:22,664 passed and were like, Oh, I'm so grateful. 965 00:43:23,154 --> 00:43:28,244 For Ben, because he brought us together and sort of continue to continue that. 966 00:43:28,704 --> 00:43:32,124 When I imagined, when I imagined that that's, and then also definitely 967 00:43:32,124 --> 00:43:33,384 don't put me in a metal box. 968 00:43:33,404 --> 00:43:34,104 Oh my God. 969

00:43:34,254 --> 00:43:34,544 Like, 970 00:43:34,544 --> 00:43:35,914 yeah, I want to get cremated. 971 00:43:36,224 --> 00:43:36,714 Oh, a hundred percent. 972 00:43:37,184 --> 00:43:37,534 Yeah. 973 00:43:37,724 --> 00:43:38,524 I'm going to get cremated. 974 00:43:38,594 --> 00:43:40,854 And then have you seen it where they cremate you and they put you into 975 00:43:40,854 --> 00:43:42,464 the, like a tree, like a little tree? 976 00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:42,912 No, I 977 00:43:42,912 --> 00:43:43,219 haven't. 978 00:43:43,469 --> 00:43:46,599 Yeah, so you can get cremated and then they put, they put you into like this 979 00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:51,869 little, this little bag, um, with a bunch of dirt and the roots of a little baby 980 00:43:51,869 --> 00:43:53,409 tree, and then you can go plant the tree. 981 00:43:53,449 --> 00:43:53,809 Nice. 982 00:43:54,374 --> 00:43:55,764 Oh yeah, that's, that's nice. 983 00:43:55,764 --> 00:43:58,674 I've seen they do like, there's like this company that puts 984 00:43:58,704 --> 00:44:00,264 ashes inside a vinyl record. 985 00:44:00,964 --> 00:44:01,814 Oh, that's cool. 986 00:44:01,864 --> 00:44:01,934 I 987 00:44:01,934 --> 00:44:02,834 thought that was kind of cool. 988 00:44:04,884 --> 00:44:05,044 Can 989 00:44:05,044 --> 00:44:06,704 put your ashes in your favorite album. 990 00:44:07,234 --> 00:44:08,024 Yeah. 991 00:44:08,074 --> 00:44:09,134 Oh, that's fun. 992 00:44:10,644 --> 00:44:11,274 That's cool. 993 00:44:11,744 --> 00:44:11,964 Yeah. 994 00:44:11,964 --> 00:44:12,844 I love, I love that. 995 00:44:13,174 --> 00:44:15,604 Um, dude, we are, we are about at time. 996 00:44:15,604 --> 00:44:19,914 So I want to, I want to maybe, uh, shift gears into we, uh, thanks so 997 00:44:19,914 --> 00:44:24,424 much for, for coming and for, for just sharing yourself so, so authentically. 998 00:44:25,964 --> 00:44:27,444 Appreciate you giving me the space. 999 00:44:27,684 --> 00:44:27,924 Yeah. 1000 00:44:27,924 --> 00:44:32,914 And I want to just say like, from my heart to your heart, like I, I, I see 1001 00:44:32,914 --> 00:44:37,354 you and I, I have, I'm, I'm like holding, I'm holding your grief in my heart. 1002 00:44:37,394 --> 00:44:38,624 And I want you to just know. 1003 00:44:39,149 --> 00:44:40,299 I'm really sorry. 1004 00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:44,409 And I wish, I wish that things were different and I know that they aren't, 1005 00:44:44,949 --> 00:44:49,189 um, but you're just held, you're held in my heart and in my, in my love. 1006 00:44:49,649 --> 00:44:53,439 Um, and especially into the holidays, like your whole family. 1007 00:44:53,509 --> 00:44:58,519 Um, it is, it is so tragic to lose a family member and 1008 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:00,449 especially to lose a family member. 1009 00:45:00,789 --> 00:45:01,729 That's so young. 1010 00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:02,499 Yeah. 1011 00:45:02,839 --> 00:45:05,599 Just like, uh, so unexpectedly. 1012 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:10,319 So anyway, I

just want to say like, I 1013 00:45:10,909 --> 00:45:11,299 appreciate 1014 00:45:11,739 --> 00:45:12,539 your grief in that way. 1015 00:45:12,539 --> 00:45:16,839 Cause it's not mine, but I, I know that grief and I, I, I have a 1016 00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:18,179 lot of space in my heart for you. 1017 00:45:18,649 --> 00:45:19,069 Thank you, Ben. 1018 00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:19,889 That means a lot. 1019 00:45:20,604 --> 00:45:20,994 Yeah. 1020 00:45:21,484 --> 00:45:24,564 Um, okay, so I like to wrap up the podcast with two questions. 1021 00:45:24,634 --> 00:45:28,404 Um, first question is, we, we've talked a little bit about the, the 1022 00:45:28,404 --> 00:45:31,284 apocalypse and, and like, the way that I, the way that I think about 1023 00:45:31,284 --> 00:45:33,654 that is history goes in cycles, right? 1024 00:45:33,904 --> 00:45:37,654 The world isn't going to end, but our current iteration of the apocalypse. 1025 00:45:38,024 --> 00:45:41,334 Human civilization is undergoing a radical transformation. 1026 00:45:41,374 --> 00:45:41,814 Yeah. 1027 00:45:42,584 --> 00:45:46,904 And I think I, I really don't even think like when I look at America and what's 1028 00:45:46,904 --> 00:45:50,324 happening in American politics and just the American world right now, that 1029 00:45:50,334 --> 00:45:55,354 to me is even sort of like a smaller iteration of the bigger thing that's 1030 00:45:55,354 --> 00:45:58,054 happening, which is down the world. 1031 00:45:58,374 --> 00:45:58,664 Right. 1032 00:45:58,664 --> 00:45:58,974 Yeah. 1033 00:45:59,204 --> 00:46:02,779 I think we were talking about this before we hit record, but like, The UN 1034 00:46:02,959 --> 00:46:05,239 like a year ago was like, you know what? 1035 00:46:05,259 --> 00:46:08,579 We can't even call it global warming anymore because we're past that point. 1036 00:46:08,579 --> 00:46:09,929 We're now in global boiling. 1037 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:12,969 And I mean, you remember what the summer was like. 1038 00:46:12,999 --> 00:46:16,799 Every, every day was like, Oh, this is the hottest day ever. 1039 00:46:17,099 --> 00:46:18,509 Especially out here in Vegas, bro. 1040 00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:19,169 It was brutal. 1041 00:46:19,569 --> 00:46:22,029 Oh, and, and so like. 1042 00:46:22,919 --> 00:46:26,459 And that, to me, that's not a message of, of, uh, fear. 1043 00:46:26,459 --> 00:46:30,959 That's the message of hope because we are, as humans, we are brilliantly creative. 1044 00:46:31,149 --> 00:46:32,959 We constructed this world. 1045 00:46:32,959 --> 00:46:34,009 We made that happen. 1046 00:46:34,019 --> 00:46:35,589 Like we, we did that. 1047 00:46:35,949 --> 00:46:37,569 And so we can do something different. 1048 00:46:37,909 --> 00:46:41,239 And I also think that, that apocalypses are really. 1049 00:46:41,794 --> 00:46:45,324 Really great opportunities for change, right? 1050 00:46:45,324 --> 00:46:48,684 So, so there, there are parts of the old world that we can let die. 1051 00:46:48,944 --> 00:46:51,994 And then there are parts of the new world that we can kind of like birth into. 1052 00:46:51,994 --> 00:46:55,294 And so I I'm just curious from your perspective and from what you see in 1053 00:46:55,294 --> 00:46:59,624 your, in your world, um, are there, what are the parts of the old world 1054 00:46:59,624 --> 00:47:04,329 that you hope kind of go away and what do you hope they're reborn as? 1055 00:47:05,769 --> 00:47:06,409 Good question. 1056 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:12,039 Um, I hope fear of talking about death since we've been talking about that. 1057 00:47:12,049 --> 00:47:13,379 I hope that shit goes away. 1058 00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:17,429 I mean, it's dumb, like that that's got to go away and change. 1059 00:47:17,459 --> 00:47:20,519 And I hope that this new world can just bring in. 1060 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,389 Cause like you said, shoot, we're in global boiling where our top, 1061 00:47:25,419 --> 00:47:27,409 our clock is ticking, right? 1062 00:47:27,409 --> 00:47:29,439 So we got one, make the most of that. 1063 00:47:29,539 --> 00:47:30,679 We don't know what's going to happen. 1064 00:47:31,429 --> 00:47:34,969 And we're going to just talk about it all, man. 1065 00:47:36,304 --> 00:47:36,544 I love that. 1066 00:47:36,544 --> 00:47:37,464 We gotta talk about it all. 1067 00:47:37,664 --> 00:47:42,084 We gotta stop letting these narcissistic, greedy, rich motherfuckers 1068 00:47:42,084 --> 00:47:44,054 run the country and dividing us. 1069 00:47:44,634 --> 00:47:45,494 Amen. 1070 00:47:45,984 --> 00:47:47,144 That's need to change. 1071 00:47:47,704 --> 00:47:48,394 Amen. 1072 00:47:48,594 --> 00:47:49,864 Musk 1073 00:47:49,874 --> 00:47:50,634 out of Twitter. 1074 00:47:51,714 --> 00:47:52,744 Be gone, dude. 1075 00:47:53,554 --> 00:47:59,464 There's this, I think about this all the time because I, I, like Jeff Bezos 1076 00:47:59,534 --> 00:48:05,914 a couple years ago, he was on the news, he bought a 500 million yacht and I saw 1077 00:48:05,914 --> 00:48:08,044 that and I have never been on a yacht. 1078 00:48:08,184 --> 00:48:09,444 But 1079 00:48:10,004 --> 00:48:17,194 I imagine that a 250 million yacht is banger. 1080 00:48:17,994 --> 00:48:22,994 Like a 250 million yacht is probably the cool is probably so fucking cool. 1081 00:48:23,804 --> 00:48:30,534 He could have bought the 250 million yacht and then had 250 million. 1082 00:48:32,859 --> 00:48:33,499 It's crazy. 1083 00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:35,869 It's a, it's, it's a gross amount of money, 1084 00:48:36,579 --> 00:48:36,919 gross 1085 00:48:37,819 --> 00:48:38,839 amount of wealth hoarding. 1086 00:48:39,279 --> 00:48:39,589 Yeah. 1087 00:48:39,629 --> 00:48:40,869 A gross amount of wealth hoarding. 1088 00:48:41,189 --> 00:48:47,179 And, um, you know, I think sometimes about, uh, I, I, I think that, 1089 00:48:47,319 --> 00:48:50,179 I think that one of the things we're moving into is a more going 1090 00:48:50,189

--> 00:48:52,959 back to a more tribal mentality. 1091 00:48:52,959 --> 00:48:55,759 I think we're, we're going to, we're going to start to think more like tribes and 1092 00:48:55,759 --> 00:48:57,299 kind of act more like tribes as humans. 1093 00:48:57,329 --> 00:48:59,839 I want to start seeing communes in the U S that's what I want. 1094 00:49:01,844 --> 00:49:01,984 100%. 1095 00:49:02,304 --> 00:49:06,084 And, and one of the things, like, I think, I think we need to shift one 1096 00:49:06,084 --> 00:49:10,094 of our values around wealth in the United States, because on the one hand, 1097 00:49:10,314 --> 00:49:14,634 I want, I want to incentivize people who want to go make a bunch of money 1098 00:49:14,654 --> 00:49:16,334 to go make a bunch of money, right? 1099 00:49:16,654 --> 00:49:19,324 Because I want Elon Musk to make Tesla. 1100 00:49:19,624 --> 00:49:20,744 I want Elon Musk. 1101 00:49:20,914 --> 00:49:23,254 I want Jeff Bezos to make Amazon, right? 1102 00:49:23,254 --> 00:49:24,624 I want those things to happen. 1103 00:49:25,014 --> 00:49:28,344 And I think that where we went, where we've gone wrong is that we 1104 00:49:28,344 --> 00:49:34,064 haven't, we haven't tied the value of entrepreneurship to an equal value 1105 00:49:34,064 --> 00:49:36,329 of Taking care of the community. 1106 00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:40,319 So if you're an entrepreneur, that's because you're awesome. 1107 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:42,329 And yeah, in 1108 00:49:42,409 --> 00:49:45,319 America, we're so, we're so brought up like individualism, 1109 00:49:45,329 --> 00:49:48,209 like, Oh, get yours, get yours. 1110 00:49:48,209 --> 00:49:51,379 And yes, we do need to get ours and survive, but also you can't. 1111 00:49:51,689 --> 00:49:53,869 Get yours and then just forget about your whole community and 1112 00:49:53,869 --> 00:49:55,089 leave everybody else behind. 1113 00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:55,539 Right. 1114 00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:56,319 Cause nobody gets. 1115 00:49:56,369 --> 00:49:57,119 What's the point? 1116 00:49:57,389 --> 00:50:00,309 What is the point of a society without community? 1117 00:50:00,619 --> 00:50:00,999 Right. 1118 00:50:01,129 --> 00:50:01,889 What is the point? 1119 00:50:02,179 --> 00:50:04,509 And like, I think what, what you're, what they're miss, what we're 1120 00:50:04,509 --> 00:50:08,659 missing is we've, we've ascribed honor to having a bunch of things. 1121 00:50:08,699 --> 00:50:09,069 Yeah. 1122 00:50:09,409 --> 00:50:11,399 I think what we need to do is we need to change that. 1123 00:50:11,409 --> 00:50:11,909 And we need to say. 1124 00:50:12,314 --> 00:50:15,654 The honorable thing, the way that we, if you want to really impress us, Jeff 1125 00:50:15,684 --> 00:50:19,004 Bezos, don't have a 500 million yacht. 1126 00:50:19,584 --> 00:50:21,374 Give away 500 million. 1127 00:50:21,764 --> 00:50:22,124 Yeah. 1128 00:50:22,294 --> 00:50:23,204 Do something with that 1129 00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:25,194 500 million

party. 1130 00:50:25,524 --> 00:50:25,904 Yeah. 1131 00:50:26,284 --> 00:50:26,504 Right. 1132 00:50:26,504 --> 00:50:29,234 Like do something, do something that kind of brings it back. 1133 00:50:29,244 --> 00:50:29,474 500 1134 00:50:30,234 --> 00:50:33,374 million worth of food to people on the holidays. 1135 00:50:33,779 --> 00:50:34,009 Right. 1136 00:50:34,019 --> 00:50:36,979 So he could solve world hunger like that if he wanted to, 1137 00:50:37,249 --> 00:50:38,069 if he 1138 00:50:38,729 --> 00:50:40,089 wanted to, but he doesn't want to. 1139 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:40,979 No, he doesn't want to, what he wants 1140 00:50:41,339 --> 00:50:46,209 to do is he wants to have, he wants to have hit and you know, I think that the, 1141 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,519 the, the reality of our new world, right? 1142 00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:51,359 The reality of our global boiling world is it's not going to, I 1143 00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:54,599 mean, we already saw this with the dude that shot the, the, yeah, 1144 00:50:54,889 --> 00:50:57,219 I wasn't, I wanted to talk about, that's what this got me thinking about. 1145 00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:58,549 It's like, we're already there. 1146 00:50:59,049 --> 00:50:59,799 On the one hand. 1147 00:51:00,579 --> 00:51:03,329 We shouldn't murder people on the other hand. 1148 00:51:03,389 --> 00:51:06,029 On the other hand, he the other guy murdered like millions of people. 1149 00:51:06,029 --> 00:51:08,219 When you think about it, by denying coverage, 1150 00:51:08,249 --> 00:51:13,449 if you have hundreds of million, I just, I, I, this is gonna sound very communistic 1151 00:51:13,449 --> 00:51:20,579 of me and I don't care, but I firmly believe if one person has a hundred 1152 00:51:20,579 --> 00:51:27,129 million dollars and another person has nothing, that first person has something 1153 00:51:27,129 --> 00:51:28,449 that belongs to the other person. 1154 00:51:28,844 --> 00:51:29,314 I agree. 1155 00:51:29,594 --> 00:51:29,994 I agree. 1156 00:51:30,544 --> 00:51:31,924 Like we are commute. 1157 00:51:31,944 --> 00:51:33,184 We are a communal species. 1158 00:51:33,754 --> 00:51:39,514 We made all this, this whole, the ability, the, the level of benefit that 1159 00:51:39,524 --> 00:51:42,934 we get just like electricity knowledge. 1160 00:51:42,934 --> 00:51:45,274 Like we are, we are steeped in community. 1161 00:51:45,274 --> 00:51:48,034 We create all creation. 1162 00:51:48,124 --> 00:51:50,614 All human creation is an active connection. 1163 00:51:50,874 --> 00:51:52,704 We are all doing it together. 1164 00:51:53,014 --> 00:51:55,134 And if you say, Oh, I did this. 1165 00:51:55,144 --> 00:51:56,424 So I deserve all of this. 1166 00:51:56,879 --> 00:51:58,729 And so you take most of it. 1167 00:51:59,179 --> 00:52:01,859 You're you actually don't understand 1168 00:52:01,859 --> 00:52:02,829 that 1169 00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:05,399 you are dependent on other people. 1170 00:52:05,499 --> 00:52:07,289 It's like such a childish way of thinking. 1171 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:07,809 Oh, a 1172 00:52:07,809 --> 00:52:08,479 hundred. 1173 00:52:08,489 --> 00:52:09,419 It's so childish. 1174 00:52:09,419 --> 00:52:11,879 It's like a, like, no, these are my toys. 1175 00:52:11,899 --> 00:52:15,629 Like, no, like, I don't want to share. 1176 00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:17,729 Don't you understand why we have toys? 1177 00:52:17,749 --> 00:52:19,229 It's to play with others. 1178 00:52:19,279 --> 00:52:23,829 Yeah, no, you're a hundred percent hit the nail on the head with that. 1179 00:52:24,209 --> 00:52:24,679 Love that. 1180 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:24,979 Okay. 1181 00:52:24,979 --> 00:52:27,339 So next question, last question is, um. 1182 00:52:28,814 --> 00:52:31,484 What apocalyptic skill do you have that you could teach me? 1183 00:52:32,504 --> 00:52:33,714 Apocalyptic skill. 1184 00:52:33,804 --> 00:52:36,004 I mean, I can roll a mean blunt Ben. 1185 00:52:36,434 --> 00:52:36,774 Okay. 1186 00:52:36,794 --> 00:52:37,084 Sick. 1187 00:52:37,104 --> 00:52:37,504 Tell me, 1188 00:52:37,974 --> 00:52:38,874 roll a mean blunt. 1189 00:52:39,494 --> 00:52:43,074 We can, what is the, well, I'll have you show me in person, but what is 1190 00:52:43,074 --> 00:52:46,694 the, what, what do I need to, what's the process for rolling a mean blunt? 1191 00:52:46,974 --> 00:52:47,464 What are most people Hand 1192 00:52:47,464 --> 00:52:47,904 break it. 1193 00:52:47,934 --> 00:52:48,874 Don't use a grinder. 1194 00:52:48,914 --> 00:52:51,764 Use your hands, hand break it, use a leaf. 1195 00:52:51,834 --> 00:52:53,654 I'm a fan of the Brothers Broadleafs. 1196 00:52:54,564 --> 00:52:57,194 Just, just get the tuck in and you're good. 1197 00:52:57,684 --> 00:52:59,204 It's just one solid tuck. 1198 00:53:00,324 --> 00:53:01,164 Throw enough weed in there. 1199 00:53:01,219 --> 00:53:01,764 It's, it's, 1200 00:53:01,854 --> 00:53:04,254 I'm so out of the, I don't even know what you like. 1201 00:53:04,284 --> 00:53:04,554 So it's a 1202 00:53:04,554 --> 00:53:05,394 tobacco leaf? 1203 00:53:05,424 --> 00:53:06,624 It's a, it's a tobacco leaf. 1204 00:53:07,194 --> 00:53:07,404 Okay. 1205 00:53:07,404 --> 00:53:07,614 That I 1206 00:53:07,614 --> 00:53:08,974 roll up in and 1207 00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:10,534 Oh, oh, okay. 1208 00:53:10,534 --> 00:53:11,404 So you're, we're gonna need 1209 00:53:11,404 --> 00:53:13,409 lots of blunts in the apocalypse, so you 1210 00:53:13,409 --> 00:53:14,974 are gonna need a lot of them 1211 00:53:15,129 --> 00:53:15,369 Yeah. 1212 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:15,969 It's. 1213 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:17,779 So that, that's good. 1214 00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:20,159 I would say videography, but I mean, somebody needs to 1215 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,349 document the apocalypse, I guess. 1216 00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:23,169 Look, just, 1217 00:53:23,169 --> 00:53:25,639 just because we are in the apocalypse doesn't mean we're not

going to have As 1218 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:29,439 long as we have power, I can, I can, can charge my batteries. 1219 00:53:29,459 --> 00:53:31,139 Then yeah, I can, I can teach you how to film. 1220 00:53:31,789 --> 00:53:33,349 I have a whole bunch of, I have a whole bunch of brothers that can 1221 00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:35,939 all pedal like a bike generator. 1222 00:53:35,979 --> 00:53:36,619 Yes. 1223 00:53:36,619 --> 00:53:37,249 Hell yeah. 1224 00:53:37,999 --> 00:53:38,479 I like that. 1225 00:53:38,479 --> 00:53:39,769 So break it up with your fingers. 1226 00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:41,549 I love using a tobacco leaf. 1227 00:53:41,549 --> 00:53:43,759 That sounds, that sounds way cooler than a paper. 1228 00:53:44,029 --> 00:53:44,289 Yeah. 1229 00:53:44,289 --> 00:53:48,989 I, I mean, I, I fuck with paper sometimes don't get me wrong, but like some 1230 00:53:48,989 --> 00:53:53,649 about like just a blunt, like the leaf it's like that with a little whiskey. 1231 00:53:55,499 --> 00:53:59,209 That is how, that is how you relax on a cold night in the 1232 00:53:59,209 --> 00:53:59,529 bus. 1233 00:53:59,889 --> 00:54:00,699 A hundred percent. 1234 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,039 A little bit of whiskey and then surrounded by friends 1235 00:54:04,059 --> 00:54:05,099 because you're a good person. 1236 00:54:05,099 --> 00:54:05,719 You didn't suck up. 1237 00:54:06,929 --> 00:54:07,159 Yeah. 1238 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:07,709 We all smoke. 1239 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,659 We all smoke in the blunts. 1240 00:54:08,659 --> 00:54:09,869 It's community blunts. 1241 00:54:10,349 --> 00:54:10,569 Right. 1242 00:54:11,959 --> 00:54:16,229 There is something really, that, that is my favorite way to, to, 1243 00:54:16,359 --> 00:54:20,529 to experience marijuana is a blunt with a bunch of friends. 1244 00:54:20,699 --> 00:54:23,539 There's something really about the passing and about you're all, 1245 00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,659 you're all, and then it gets silly and you're all, it's just a fun. 1246 00:54:26,879 --> 00:54:30,679 And so it's, I prefer that way more to like going out to a bar and drinking. 1247 00:54:30,689 --> 00:54:31,189 It's a plant. 1248 00:54:31,189 --> 00:54:31,459 Yeah. 1249 00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:32,099 Yeah. 1250 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:32,719 Delicious. 1251 00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:34,379 It's rolled up in tobacco. 1252 00:54:34,489 --> 00:54:35,149 It's a great plant. 1253 00:54:35,429 --> 00:54:35,919 Great plant. 1254 00:54:37,144 --> 00:54:39,224 Rad, okay, so, um, thanks so much. 1255 00:54:39,244 --> 00:54:40,634 What, let's plug you for a little bit. 1256 00:54:40,644 --> 00:54:42,234 What do you want, how can people follow you? 1257 00:54:42,234 --> 00:54:43,454 What do you want people to know about you? 1258 00:54:43,864 --> 00:54:45,104 You can follow me on Instagram. 1259 00:54:45,424 --> 00:54:48,044 Adamchapel underscore 14 is my handle. 1260 00:54:48,434 --> 00:54:50,324 Uh, follow the Hotbox Comedy Show. 1261 00:54:50,544 --> 00:54:54,604 Uh, that next show is, uh, December 18th, which is next Wednesday. 1262 00:54:55,234 --> 00:54:58,154 Proceeds are all going to Goody Two Shoes, which is a charity 1263 00:54:58,154 --> 00:55:00,354 that, uh, helps Give kids shoes. 1264 00:55:00,354 --> 00:55:02,834 They came to my middle school when I was in middle school, which was crazy. 1265 00:55:02,834 --> 00:55:06,684 They pull up in a big van, you get to walk through it and every 1266 00:55:06,684 --> 00:55:07,844 kid gets to pick a pair of shoes. 1267 00:55:07,854 --> 00:55:08,804 So it's, it's 1268 00:55:08,804 --> 00:55:09,204 a 1269 00:55:09,204 --> 00:55:09,634 cool thing. 1270 00:55:09,634 --> 00:55:13,894 So we're trying to raise, our goal is 500 to raise for them and cut 1271 00:55:13,894 --> 00:55:15,304 them a check at the end of it all. 1272 00:55:16,189 --> 00:55:20,519 Um, so that's going on hosted by myself and Anthony Wynkoop, 1273 00:55:20,799 --> 00:55:21,819 another very funny guy. 1274 00:55:22,439 --> 00:55:25,099 And if people want to follow, does, does Hotbox have its own Instagram? 1275 00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:25,429 Yeah, we 1276 00:55:25,429 --> 00:55:25,579 do. 1277 00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:28,509 It's, it's at hotboxcomedyshow on Instagram. 1278 00:55:28,829 --> 00:55:29,339 Okay, cool. 1279 00:55:29,539 --> 00:55:31,679 And if you can, if you'll send me afterwards. 1280 00:55:31,699 --> 00:55:31,919 Let me see, 1281 00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,889 let me see if it's the hotbox comedy or just hotbox comedy. 1282 00:55:35,889 --> 00:55:38,519 It's hotboxcomedyshow on Instagram. 1283 00:55:38,959 --> 00:55:39,509 Okay, cool. 1284 00:55:39,649 --> 00:55:42,579 And I'll, I'll pop both of those into the, into the show notes too. 1285 00:55:42,759 --> 00:55:45,319 Anything else, any other, any other things you want people to be aware of? 1286 00:55:46,279 --> 00:55:48,079 Um, no, man, I feel good. 1287 00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,469 It was, thank you for giving me a chance to talk about my, my journey, my story. 1288 00:55:51,879 --> 00:55:53,089 One, one thing I wanted to just 1289 00:55:53,419 --> 00:55:57,419 mention for you is I know that you are, you're, you're currently taking, 1290 00:55:57,429 --> 00:55:58,669 doing some freelance videography. 1291 00:55:58,669 --> 00:55:59,249 Yes. 1292 00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:59,629 Yes. 1293 00:55:59,629 --> 00:56:00,369 I am doing that. 1294 00:56:00,469 --> 00:56:04,929 Um, if you need any video work, like events, I come from the 1295 00:56:04,929 --> 00:56:07,669 corporate background, mainly like documentary corporate work. 1296 00:56:08,009 --> 00:56:09,799 So if you need event recaps, 1297 00:56:09,949 --> 00:56:10,209 yeah. 1298 00:56:10,379 --> 00:56:12,769 Live streams of seminars and. 1299 00:56:13,149 --> 00:56:15,479 And I was very corporate and boring, but like, I'm your guy. 1300 00:56:15,529 --> 00:56:15,989 I got you. 1301 00:56:16,059 --> 00:56:18,109 So I 1302 00:56:18,109 -->

00:56:21,189 just want to pitch you on that too, because we've had you film, I think 1303 00:56:21,189 --> 00:56:23,149 two or three of the rebels for us. 1304 00:56:23,169 --> 00:56:23,589 And I'll be there 1305 00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:24,259 this Sunday too. 1306 00:56:24,449 --> 00:56:27,389 And we recently, we recently had someone else do it and they 1307 00:56:27,389 --> 00:56:28,919 did not do as good of a job. 1308 00:56:29,389 --> 00:56:32,109 I mean, the, the filming was fine, but what I really loved about working with 1309 00:56:32,109 --> 00:56:36,129 you is, is not only is the quality of what you do really, really high, 1310 00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:37,819 but working with you is really great. 1311 00:56:37,819 --> 00:56:39,969 You're super professional time. 1312 00:56:40,139 --> 00:56:41,069 You, you deliver it. 1313 00:56:41,069 --> 00:56:42,389 Like your turnaround is great. 1314 00:56:42,764 --> 00:56:46,984 Um, so, so I would just really highly recommend if, if you're looking for 1315 00:56:46,984 --> 00:56:51,304 someone and you need someone to, to, to do any kind of video work for you, especially 1316 00:56:51,304 --> 00:56:56,504 in the Vegas area, um, definitely hit up Adam because he, he does fantastic 1317 00:56:56,504 --> 00:56:57,584 work and he's great to work with. 1318 00:56:58,154 --> 00:56:58,554 Thank you. 1319 00:56:58,684 --> 00:56:59,684 I do travel as well. 1320 00:56:59,844 --> 00:57:01,274 That's, uh, another goal of mine. 1321 00:57:01,274 --> 00:57:04,534 I think this year I want to, with comedy, hit the road. 1322 00:57:04,534 --> 00:57:06,294 I'm trying to take the hot box on the road. 1323 00:57:06,294 --> 00:57:09,764 We want to go to Salt Lake, if you'll have us over there, like type of stuff. 1324 00:57:09,764 --> 00:57:10,174 Oh, for sure. 1325 00:57:10,264 --> 00:57:10,424 Yeah. 1326 00:57:10,424 --> 00:57:13,444 And I've traveled for video work all the time, so no stranger to that. 1327 00:57:13,464 --> 00:57:15,174 Just caught my ticket down there. 1328 00:57:15,514 --> 00:57:18,504 Let's, let's for sure, let's for sure chat about, um, what you would 1329 00:57:18,504 --> 00:57:21,544 need in terms of, cause I, I could probably help you find a venue up here. 1330 00:57:21,544 --> 00:57:21,834 Yeah. 1331 00:57:22,104 --> 00:57:26,794 Um, and I'd be, I'd be super happy to, it's going to be, so the marijuana 1332 00:57:26,794 --> 00:57:28,144 lies, laws are different here. 1333 00:57:28,224 --> 00:57:28,374 I 1334 00:57:28,374 --> 00:57:28,934 know they are. 1335 00:57:28,954 --> 00:57:30,134 I know that we don't smoke weed. 1336 00:57:30,134 --> 00:57:31,384 It's just called the hot box. 1337 00:57:31,424 --> 00:57:31,694 Okay. 1338 00:57:31,694 --> 00:57:32,154 Okay, cool. 1339 00:57:32,154 --> 00:57:32,324 Cause 1340 00:57:32,324 --> 00:57:33,664 we, we, we do it in a bar. 1341 00:57:33,664 --> 00:57:35,134 So there's liquor licenses involved. 1342 00:57:35,134 --> 00:57:39,134 Anyway, we do have a bong on, there's like a bong on the table, but it's 1343 00:57:39,514 --> 00:57:41,134 one of our sponsors, it's just. 1344 00:57:41,494 --> 00:57:42,874 Just for, for, uh, 1345 00:57:42,994 --> 00:57:43,984 just for aesthetics. 1346 00:57:44,104 --> 00:57:44,764 For aesthetics. 1347 00:57:44,764 --> 00:57:46,384 We, we do not smoke out of it. 1348 00:57:47,934 --> 00:57:48,114 , which 1349 00:57:48,114 --> 00:57:48,714 is so dumb. 1350 00:57:48,864 --> 00:57:51,414 Um, am I gonna get arrested the second I pull out a bong in Utah? 1351 00:57:51,504 --> 00:57:52,404 Is that how it works? 1352 00:57:52,554 --> 00:57:56,144 You know, I don't, I don't know. 1353 00:57:56,144 --> 00:57:56,684 I don't know. 1354 00:57:56,684 --> 00:58:00,014 I mean, there are you, there are smoke shops where you can buy bongs. 1355 00:58:00,104 --> 00:58:00,164 Yeah. 1356 00:58:00,164 --> 00:58:00,764 So there are. 1357 00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:02,499 But I don't know what the rules are. 1358 00:58:02,539 --> 00:58:06,179 We would have to, we'd have to do some, some, some research, but, um, yeah, I'd 1359 00:58:06,179 --> 00:58:09,739 be, I'd be thrilled to help you help you get, um, up, up here in Salt Lake. 1360 00:58:09,739 --> 00:58:12,529 I think that, I think that there's, there's a bunch of stoners and 1361 00:58:12,529 --> 00:58:14,159 I think I have a good reception. 1362 00:58:14,609 --> 00:58:14,809 Yeah. 1363 00:58:14,819 --> 00:58:15,589 I think it'd be a fun one. 1364 00:58:16,049 --> 00:58:16,389 Awesome. 1365 00:58:16,389 --> 00:58:16,509 Cool. 1366 00:58:16,509 --> 00:58:19,609 And then for me again, the Fresh King Benjamin or Comedy Rumble, 1367 00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:24,319 SLC or Comedy Rumble Las Vegas on Instagram and TikTok also on YouTube. 1368 00:58:24,629 --> 00:58:26,459 And then we're, I'm back in Vegas. 1369 00:58:26,659 --> 00:58:29,369 on the 15th, which is, I think, going to be this Sunday when 1370 00:58:29,369 --> 00:58:31,689 this airs for Comedy Rumble 5. 1371 00:58:32,049 --> 00:58:36,249 And then the next Rumble in Salt Lake is going to be, uh, 1221. 1372 00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:36,879 Right. 1373 00:58:36,889 --> 00:58:38,559 So, uh, check those out, you guys. 1374 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:39,689 And Adam, thanks for coming on. 1375 00:58:40,219 --> 00:58:40,829 Thank you, Ben. 1376 00:58:40,939 --> 00:58:41,689 Thanks for having me, man. 1377 00:58:41,689 --> 00:58:42,309 This was a good time. 1378 00:58:42,709 --> 00:58:43,229 Absolutely. 1379 00:58:43,229 --> 00:58:44,159 Stay safe out there, y'all.