התמלול המלא של Good Spice, Bad Writing: Raiders of the Lost Heart

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WEBVTT 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:10.320 Welcome to Harris County Public Library's Reading Room Radio, where your to be red pile gets a little more exciting one micro podcast at a time. 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:13.919 Hello and welcome to Reading Room Radio. 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:17.039 This is our group again, Good Spice, Bad Writing. 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:19.760 Woo! Woo! My name is Daisy. 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:20.719 I'm Percy. 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:23.039 And this week we have a special guest with us. 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:25.039 We're getting the male perspective. 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:27.519 So you're gonna introduce yourself. 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:29.120 Hi, my name is Andrew. 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:33.119 Yay! So this week we're reading Raiders of the Lost Heart. 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:37.359 It's a little kind of Laura Croft, Indiana Jones romance. 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:41.439 Essentially, rival archaeologists team up on a secret Aztec mission. 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:46.240 It could lead their careers or hearts into ruins, as the book says. 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:52.880 Enemies and rivals to lovers. 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.679 Oof, close proximity, forced proximity. 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:57.600 Forced proximity, that's right. 00:00:57.920 --> 00:00:59.039 Had a lot, I think. 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:00.240 But I enjoyed it. 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:01.439 I did too. 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:02.640 I think it was fun and silly. 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:03.679 I had fun too. 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:06.879 I'm um I've never really read a book in the genre. 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:09.280 I'm new, I'm new to the genre. 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:13.519 Um it was enjoyable. 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:14.719 It was a fun read. 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.040 And and it was uh it was pretty quick too. 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:18.719 It was, it was fast to read. 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:22.239 I think uh also I think the our previous books that we've been doing. 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:23.200 They've been huge. 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:24.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:27.920 This is something if like if you guys want to just get you want something fast, fun. 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:29.120 Palette cleanser, yeah. 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:29.920 Oh, yeah, definitely. 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:31.680 Something to read during your lunch break. 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:33.200 Your tinter mine. 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:35.840 Oh my god. 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.000 So do you want to go over our the spice level you think it's? 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:40.719 Yes. 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.239 So our spice levels, we always level it from one to five. 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:49.599 And this one, we rated it a three, uh, which means it leads to one spicy scene. 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:51.200 Level one means just a kiss. 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:56.879 Level two would have been tension with a kiss, and level three, of course, it leads to one spicy encounter. 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.359 It never reached four or five, which is otherworldly, but definitely three. 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:02.879 Yeah, um, but I'm fine with that. 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:06.400 I think it I think it would have been more intense, I would have been like, ew. 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:07.280 What? 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.479 Compared to the other books we've read, girl. 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:19.120 When we get more to the when we get more discussing of why, you know, my thoughts of why I didn't want it to reach level five yet. 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:19.840 Oh my god. 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:30.719 Yeah, I think it was close to four, as in like they had their little intimate scenes more than once, but it wasn't anything like crazy or like a lot a lot of it was like the lead up. 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:33.039 Yeah, there was a lot of tension. 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:34.159 I mean Which is great. 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:35.199 We love the tension. 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:36.159 That's what I need. 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:41.599 Yeah, I like the intention more than the actual encounters, but like there's Amy. 00:02:43.439 --> 00:03:05.520 I mean, yeah, as a as a newcomer, I would have rated this a four, but I because it was like it was multiple, and it was like I was like, there was times when I was reading this and not confused, but I was reading this in in public, and I like I had to close the book and just sit it down for a second because I was like, I what am I reading? 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.879 No, I think it's like but I mean to join this podcast. 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.919 There were things that I didn't, I was like, this is interesting. 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:21.199 So very fun book, but I didn't want to um get into like the whole relationship of this book. 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:26.479 Of course, we have our characters, we have Sokoro, which nobody calls her that. 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:27.439 They call her you know Dr. 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.240 Mejia, or they call her her main nickname is Cory. 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:32.400 Of course, Ford. 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:38.960 Ford is like the lead archaeologist in this, technically, which is like a secret to be revealed within later in the book. 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:39.759 Right, right. 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:41.199 The way that that all happened. 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:49.919 We have Ethan, which is like her long lost friend in college, and they've been yeah, they were like friends that they kind of lost touch. 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.240 It was all three of them that were friends, right? 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:53.360 Yeah, even back then. 00:03:53.680 --> 00:04:02.560 I guess like I think from what my understanding was they like were in school together, yeah, but Corey and Ford were like always competing, even back then. 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:07.120 Yeah, so they weren't like friends, they weren't friends, and so that one night in the library. 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:12.319 That

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one night they were referenced a hundred times just to find out they just stared intimately at each other. 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:13.280 Like, you know what? 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:18.639 What happened? 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:25.439 They just stared at each other, they never did anything, they didn't even I think they just got close to kissing, and somebody was like, You know what though? 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.720 I enjoyed that scene that kept on repeating it because I was like, What happened? 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:29.439 And you know what? 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.600 It must have been some good tension because they didn't forget about it. 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.399 No, another eight years, and they didn't forget about it. 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:49.600 He had a whole other relationship with somebody the whole time thinking about her, and they didn't do anything, all they did is shared a cup of coffee, which I shared a cup of coffee, and since he tasted the coffee from the same cup as well. 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:54.480 Oh my god, the indirect kiss, like on us, it got me my heart. 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:57.360 I was like, oh indirect kiss. 00:04:58.319 --> 00:04:59.600 And he remembered her coffee. 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.079 Yeah, it's like eight years later, you know. 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:03.759 I'm buying the same Jamaican coffee. 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.680 I would have bought a bash Ford, but actually, he didn't remember all of that. 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:09.600 I know, I know, that's true, that's true. 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.120 He has some we have some qualms with him. 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.839 Yeah, because that's my next, like I wanted to get into that. 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.800 Do you like Ford, or did she even think Ethan was had a chance? 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:20.160 Because he was into her before he was. 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:20.720 Oh, that's right. 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:22.319 I totally forgot Ethan was even into her. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:23.279 I know. 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:24.800 He found his girl. 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:27.839 He found sunshine. 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.879 The B plot, the B plot behind the scenes lead. 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:32.240 I actually quite enjoyed that. 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:33.279 I felt more realistic. 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.920 It was like, come on, it's really not only these two people. 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:36.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:38.160 I don't know. 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.680 I think the Ethan thing was such a non-starter. 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.199 Yeah, he knew it too. 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.680 I feel like Ethan was like, I like you from afar. 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:46.720 Yeah, it's not gonna go anywhere. 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:48.639 It's okay to have a crush, you know. 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:49.519 A crush. 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:52.959 So you like forged for her? 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.439 You thought, oh yeah, this is the person. 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:56.480 I don't know. 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:57.120 I agree. 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:03.519 I almost felt like they had a bunch of tension and a lot of lustful connection, but I was like, what other connection do y'all have? 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.240 Like, I'm like, I'm like, where is this relationship being built off? 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:07.360 Y'all just want to get freaky. 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:12.639 The book made it seem like, oh, like Ethan was like, you guys are perfect for each other, but you don't see it. 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:13.360 And I said, Where? 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.040 No, no, no, where? 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:17.120 But like, give me some examples. 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:17.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:18.319 I'm confused. 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:20.879 Give me some examples, other than they shared coffee one night. 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:23.199 And there's a shared interest of archaeology. 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:24.079 Yeah, that's about it. 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:24.399 Yeah. 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:25.360 So like they're the same. 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.680 Because they live very different lives where he's kind of more a what is it, A-type A, right? 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:30.319 I guess so. 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.720 And he's like more cautious, he's not as adventurous, he's not a risk taker the way that she is. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.000 Um, but I guess that's what they're going for, the whole opposite's attract kind of thing. 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.720 We sauce Matthews and and badass Makia. 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.480 Well, they that's what they call themselves in the wall. 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:48.399 I own them in agreement. 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:50.959 Because at first I was like, okay, cute little tension. 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:53.600 And then I was like, where is it going to lead up? 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.600 Are they gonna be like, is he gonna be flirtatious? 00:06:55.680 --> 00:07:00.560 Because he was, oh, she's the woman for me, but I have to focus because I'm such a bad person. 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.279 Right, right, because I took this job from her, and she doesn't even know. 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.680 It makes me, I'm like, I wonder what long term this relationship would look like. 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:15.360 Because like all this rivalry, it is exciting passionate tension that that spills over into more pac uh intimate passion. 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:21.040 But in terms of like an actual long-term relationship, does this partnership work? 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:23.839 Do they they can start getting pissed at each other by anything? 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:25.600 I know they said they're gonna be fighting. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:31.360 So they were like, I like you, you like me, and by like attractive to each other, because that's pretty much all they have. 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:32.240 They're just attractive each

other. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:34.800 She's like, I hate you, but I also want to kiss you. 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:40.639 That's like how like people do their marriage vows where they're like, we fight all the time, but I love no. 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:44.079 What do they call it when the bells are ringing? 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.600 Where they're like, Well, you know, like danger's coming, and they're like, Oh, like the sirens? 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.360 The sirens, where you're like, saxophones, are getting louder. 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:52.800 The saxophones are getting louder. 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:54.720 So they're like, We're gonna fight all the time. 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:56.800 I can't but I want to fight with you all the time. 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.600 But actually, actually, after their first interaction, he's like, you know what? 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:02.399 I don't care. 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.639 I he's like, I don't care, I I love her. 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:05.759 And then she loves him. 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.680 And I was like, This doesn't make sense. 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:09.199 Yeah, they fell in love past. 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.920 I agree, but also I was gonna say that I do appreciate that they didn't know each other for years. 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:14.720 That's true, that's true. 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:15.519 You're right, you're right, you're right. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:16.720 I almost forgot about that. 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.319 The story started, which makes it more believable, in my opinion. 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.879 At least in terms of they are familiar with each other's personalities, right? 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:27.680 But that's been eight years apart, right? 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:29.360 They can argue, but now it's like together. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:32.720 Which is I don't know, two years, three years. 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:39.039 I don't I don't know how long somebody goes to archaeology for, but I can put that into it. 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:39.519 Right. 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:48.000 Well, supposedly, I was if you look at the prologue or like the questions, the author said, I know that it takes longer, but no one's gonna write a book. 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:49.120 No one's gonna read a book. 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:50.879 I do everything correctly. 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.279 Like I like her honestly, she's like, let's get real. 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.960 Yeah, I'm writing a romance book and leave me alone. 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:58.159 And you're right, you're right. 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:00.320 Yeah, yeah, I'm willing to suspend some disbelief. 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.320 Yeah, especially in order to believe this book. 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:03.120 And I'm fine. 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.039 I always laugh at like, no, you're right. 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:20.559 What I did find funny, and I'm not familiar with like the tropes of this genre as much as y'all are,

but the fact that like um this switches perspective between the two of us chapter was interesting, and I think as far as like with their dynamic, they both have big egos. 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:43.519 Um I I find it interesting that is it lust or is it a curiosity for love that like both of them introspectively they have this flare-up of their ego and like anger towards each other, and they both kind of choose to I want to say sacrifice, but kind of maybe let go of something in order to forgive the other and try to make it work, which I found interesting. 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.039 That sounds really ideal. 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.279 Yeah, I mean, she didn't stay as mad at him for that because she loved me. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:55.039 And I but I was confused because I mean, first of all, I'm gonna be honest, Ford got on my nerves. 00:09:55.120 --> 00:10:01.840 But it's so K drama, like it's so very much very much like there was miscommunication, but I never reached out to you for eight years. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:16.639 Like, oh yeah, telephones that exist, a letter, email, like I would hate that if someone reaches out to me after like six or eight years, and they're like, by the way, this was a miscommunication, like, bro, the time times of essence. 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:17.600 What was the point? 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:18.320 What was the reason? 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:19.360 Why did you think you saw? 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:22.559 Okay, but it's fine. 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.440 I guess I guess at the end, they were kind of cute though. 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.600 At the end, oh my god, the end. 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:36.639 I was listening to the audiobook in the car while I was driving to work, and the end I got so scared that he freaking died that I like, I like the screaming in my car. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.320 I was like, he's not dead, he's not dead. 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:39.679 You're freaking lying to me. 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:40.559 He did not die. 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:42.559 And the way she she wrote it, too. 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:44.559 She was like, Oh, I miss him. 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:44.879 Yeah. 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.080 I'm like, I was so scared. 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:51.679 I was like, you cannot be dead. 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:52.879 I wasn't disbelieved. 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:55.919 I was like, surely, surely she's not ending it this way. 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:57.279 Surely, not in her first. 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.080 Because it wasn't until like the last page or two. 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:01.840 No, it was literally the last, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.159 Like that we dad had the author was great. 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.000 I was like, she didn't cut him off. 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.240 I'm just gonna, and then I was like, yeah, she didn't kill him off. 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:12.799 Like, I knew it'd be, but I was like with a little anxiety. 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:17.600 I was like, but I really enjoyed the way she played it, like the way she was ready, and I was like, this is this is great. 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.159 This is a great writing, but I do want to get into making it. 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:25.120 Oh, the corny part is our most memorable quotes from this book. 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:26.240 Yeah, you're right. 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:30.879 There was a lot of really good stuff, and then she would just write something that I was like, oh, it took me right out. 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:32.639 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:33.840 What was one of them? 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:42.000 I think the one that stuck with me, I did like take notes and like mark some things, but the one that I kept coming back to just popped into my because it's been like a week or two since I've read it. 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.000 It's just the tough chicas don't cry. 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:45.360 Tough chicas don't. 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:46.399 Tough chicas don't. 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.960 And I heard it the first time, and I was like, I was laughing. 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:49.840 I said, you know what? 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.720 I've never said that before in my life as an Hispanic woman. 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.159 It's like the merchant in it, like and I was like, fine, I'll let it go. 00:11:58.320 --> 00:11:59.120 I'll let it go. 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.120 But then she brought it up again and again. 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.600 Yes, the first time I was like, Um, I'll forgive it. 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:07.840 And then you kept coming back to it. 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.240 It feels like um You're hitting your limit. 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.039 I'm like, I'm I'm about to close the book. 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:17.600 It's like those TV shows that are trying to convince us that these characters are so Hispanic. 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:21.919 Oh my god, like in their and they're investigators in like a little cop show or something. 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.639 And you just like throw in random Spanish words here. 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:33.120 That's exactly what I like to quote like A Got B right off the back um on like the intro where it was describing her her smile. 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:36.639 And so she put a small devilish smile formed on Cory lips. 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.879 Like the Grinch who stole crystals. 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:42.720 I didn't imagine it though. 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:43.840 I did imagine it. 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:48.080 So it's so and her the little point on her neck curled awesome. 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.440 Uh always her laugh, like her loud laugh. 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:52.559 Oh my gosh, yeah, she caught her. 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.519 Burrito bonito, we're around again. 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.320 I said, girl, okay, we mentioned it already. 00:12:58.639 --> 00:12:59.120 Let it go. 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.879 We know we know, let it go.

00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.200 I know we try to laugh at ourselves, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:10.960 But I'm thinking like every time she said that, I was like, do I have that laugh? 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:14.879 Like laugh. 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:15.440 You know what? 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:16.399 I was like, you know what? 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.279 Maybe I was like, I never heard anyone say the burrito. 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:23.919 I would be offended if someone came and go to the don't you dare. 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:33.519 Plain and simple, Corey was all that and a bag of chips and Ford like chips a lot, even though Cory's not really plain or simple. 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:34.240 I know. 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.039 So it's like at the same time, it's like, does Ford even know her? 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.000 Yeah, she it's complicated and abstract. 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:44.559 I'm gonna bring my another this at Ford. 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.120 He's like, Oh, I like her for her intelligence. 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.720 But the first thing he said when he like looked at her, he was like, Can I haj you? 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.960 And I was like, bro, and he would like her. 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:56.159 That's one of those things that felt really contradictory about him. 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:02.879 He was like saying all these like really arrogant things and like objectifying things and then internally feeling bad about them. 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:14.720 And I have this moment marked here, which I thought was like a little bit too on the nose, I think, on the writing, where he's like, Who knew that behind all that sass and beauty was the smartest, kindest, most badass chick ever? 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:18.080 Also, like I hate the idea that it's like all it has to be hidden. 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.360 Why can't both exist at the same time without being like, who knew? 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:23.840 And like she knew she knew herself. 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:24.799 That's her struggle. 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:25.440 You're right, though. 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.120 Who doesn't think that way? 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:28.720 Who speaks like that? 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:34.159 It's like it's it's like behind those false eyelashes is something deeper hard. 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:41.679 Like literally, Corey's whole thing in this book is that people give her respect to her name. 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:43.039 Like, she did that. 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:51.360 He went to school, she she's a doctor, she's doing all these high-stakes projects and stuff, and everyone's like, Yeah, you're cool, but you're beautiful. 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:53.679 And they're yeah, like it's so objectified. 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.320 And he was saying that, and that's why I was like, For I don't know. 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.039 Oh my god, yeah, around the end to when he what does he say? 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:00.639 Right before she slapped him. 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:01.600 Oh, yeah. 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.000 Because he said something, he said something ugly. 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:06.559 People only recognize you for your looks, anyways, or something like that. 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:08.960 And then she slapped him, and I was like, do it again. 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:11.120 That's so ugly and mean. 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:17.200 And she also was like, and like the fact that she even right after that paid for his mom's hospital bill. 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:18.000 30,000. 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:26.399 Oh, oh, I feel like okay, I do think they both have their issues, but I think Cory always came out to me as the bigger person. 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:32.240 Like, he wanted to be she wouldn't like hide being upset, she doesn't act like she's above her own anger. 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:36.799 She knows she gets angry, yeah, but then she would always like forgive him, do that for him. 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.679 And him, he had to like self-wallow. 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.360 Yeah, and he literally sighed the whole time. 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:47.120 He's like, For is like, it's because everything came easy to me, and now this year I've been struggling because my girl's karma. 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:48.159 My girl left me. 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.000 Yeah, he's recognizing me, right? 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.399 Yeah, and I was privilege only takes you so far. 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:53.360 Yeah, that's a good point. 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:54.799 Yeah, but how far? 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.159 Because he struggled for like not even half a year, then Corey comes along and sees him. 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.559 So I'm for how hmm. 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:01.440 That's true. 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:02.879 He doesn't struggle that long. 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:03.600 That's true. 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:09.279 T I do like that the exhibition was based around like their romance. 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.480 I thought that was gonna get I like that that it was like the secret photos. 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:13.440 I was like, wait. 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:14.159 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:15.519 And those were the blackmail photos. 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:17.519 Yeah, which I was like, okay, okay, cool. 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.200 Also, crazy that they were gonna blackmail them with photos of Corey. 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.759 I was like, wouldn't you have a case on yourself? 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.399 Or would it be like it would be exposed without anyone knowing anybody? 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:31.200 I guess the it would they would have done it anonymously, and they did it, they did it too. 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:34.639 So the exhibition oh they did yeah, so the whole exhibition, right? 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:50.080 It's like a love story that her pictures were sent out and they were on the internet, and then but instead of her hiding, she said I

kind of just I took it, everyone took it, uh took it well in a sense that they knew that they were bad and they were not, they were behind her this time around, but yeah, that's how they did it. 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.720 They were still they're still they did still get released, yeah. 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:53.759 Horrible. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.080 But I wanted to end this on a fun note. 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:56.639 Okay, okay. 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.279 If this was a movie, because I think it would be a good movie, a little funny. 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:00.240 It would be cute, yeah. 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:05.359 What would be the theme song or like a main theme song that you would think that they use? 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:06.720 You want to start off with yours? 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:19.359 Yes, I want to start off with letting you see by Camilo, which is literally him saying, Oh, I love you, I'm here. 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:21.200 I'm just waiting for you to say yes. 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:22.720 Do you see my face? 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:24.319 Do you see how obsessed I am with you? 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:25.519 Just say yes. 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:26.720 Beautiful. 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:40.720 I think I I had a couple songs in mind, but I think I would go with Simplemente Amigos by Ana Gabriel because of their public perception, their dynamic is very much like bitter rivals, always competing. 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:49.359 And so then for them to have like this secret intimacy behind closed doors that nobody knows about, and that they're like kind of scared to like admit to themselves and to other people. 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:51.200 Yeah, so I would choose that song. 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:52.240 That is so cute. 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.079 Wow, y'all went so in depth, it's y'all. 00:17:54.400 --> 00:18:05.680 I did I did down in Mexico by the coaster is only because it reminds that song's just fun and it reminds you of the movie Deathproof, and I thought it would be I don't think it'd be a good intro song. 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.480 It might be better songs depict the book more. 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.359 Well, maybe it would just be a fun, like trailer song. 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:12.400 We'll make it a trailer. 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:13.920 Oh or montage. 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:15.200 Montage, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:16.079 In the book. 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:17.440 I had really great scenes of them. 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:19.200 The river raft, the journey. 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:20.640 The river raft was cool, yeah, yeah. 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:21.279 All of that. 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:23.599 That's actually pretty cool when you think about where they're at. 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:41.200 I was gonna say my favorite little tension part was when they first go into the woods, and she's trying to leave, and he's like finds her, and and then somebody comes, they're like, I think they went into the

woods, and he like is immediately like, I gotta kiss her, I guess, to hide the finally. 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.440 No, no, no. 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:45.279 I love that he that was the opportunity. 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:46.480 It were taking forever. 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.599 I said, Okay, you're washing dishes really closely. 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.440 Well, I wanted to get to it. 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:56.400 But I I really enjoyed that. 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:01.440 I enjoyed the build-up a lot, and then when we finally got to it, it was really fun to read. 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:07.839 I would say for me, I don't know about y'all, but after maybe the second encounter they have, there's a little bit of a lull. 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:10.240 They're just like mad at each other. 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:14.319 Yeah, they're like a little mad at each other, and it's like, all right, well, let's go find this artifact. 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:15.599 Yeah, they don't even care anymore. 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.160 I guess they got work to do. 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.079 They're adults. 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:21.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:23.599 Okay, I guess we'll do our jobs. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:38.720 But with the twist uh in like the uh of uh antagonist, which I I don't I won't spoil anything if if you're if you want to read the book, but it does pick up towards the end, and I think it wraps up pretty nicely. 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:40.079 What would you rate this book? 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:41.920 On a scale of one to five? 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.839 Yeah, scale of one to five, I'd give it a three, I think. 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:47.279 I think I give it a three outside. 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:56.400 Yeah, it was enjoyable, it's an easy read, short and sweet, some pretty decent characterization and world building, albeit some corny writing. 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:03.519 We could look at that and DZ, you were saying what was your score again? 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:05.519 Oh, I think like three, three point five, yeah. 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:06.000 It was fine. 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:06.960 It was fine. 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:08.160 Yeah, I am in agreement. 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:13.599 I think three and a half, I think I give, yeah, three and a half just because I was laughing. 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.079 I know this book was not meant for me to laugh. 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:22.720 As much as it made me laugh, and then at the end, it made me quick like be a little bit like hee hee. 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:23.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:25.119 So it did what I needed to do. 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:27.279 It did what I needed to do, and it was really fast. 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.519 I did I read this, I think in one day. 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.640 It was yeah, seriously, it was super fast, and it was fun. 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:34.720 Yeah, excellent work, Joe Segura. 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:36.000 Yay, good job. 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:37.839 Congrats, congrats. 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.319 I think that's it for us today. 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:43.039 Yes, oh my gosh, thank you so much for joining us, Andy. 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:44.000 Thank you for having me. 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:45.359 I had fun. 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.039 Well, we look forward to our next one. 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.519 It will be probably a book called a priest. 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.519 So we're switching up, yeah. 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:56.240 We're still doing humans, but this time Halloween. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:20:59.680 Thank you, bye.

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