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Welcome to Unstoppable with Paula Swain.
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Real conversations with women about the stories that shaped them, the moments that changed them, and what happened next.
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Because every woman has a story worth telling.
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This is Unstoppable.
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Hi, and welcome to Unstoppable.
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I'm your host, Paula Swain.
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So our guest today um said that for three years, a series of events um tried to kill her.
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So I'm really interested in hearing what she's what that all means.
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Trying to not that she tried to kill herself, but that these events tried to kill her.
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So welcome, Mindy Jackson.
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Okay, we're gonna start right in on it.
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What the heck happened?
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Oh gosh, a lot.
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A lot.
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So I went through heart surgery and had a postoperative stroke.
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I had central vision loss from that, had a near-death experience in the hospital, found out that I could rehabilitate my vision through doing visual arts, did so, painted 20 to the 22 major arcana of the tarot, and lived out every meaning of every card in real time as I painted it, down to next one, breakup that did send me into some, I will say some suicidal thoughts, of course, no actions or plans, but I did go to the edge of the abyss, and it's almost like I had to in order to remember who I really am.
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Uh and then I had um, let's see, gosh, what was next?
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Isn't that enough?
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Isn't that enough?
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There's a lot, there's more.
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Wow.
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Yeah, so I had a bone infection in my foot that got pretty bad for a while there.
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We thought uh surgery might have to happen, and luckily it didn't.
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And then I had uh needed hip surgery, hip replacement surgery at a young age because of uh generational and ancestral trauma I was carrying that my mother carried, that grandmother carried, so on and so forth.
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Oh yeah, and uh excuse me, and uh my suture ruptured open.
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I had to deal with that.
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Um, but before I could even have the hip surgery, I had to put it off because my mom became terminal and she passed away in March.
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So then I had the uh, and that's that's a whole surviving that too.
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Um had the hip surgery in June.
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And um gosh, there's so many things.
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Um, let's just stop there because you've said something there um that I really wanted to dive a little bit deeper into.
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And the first one was the painting and your vision, and then how when you were doing the tarot cards, um, when you were painting them, how you lived out with the card.
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So explain exactly what that means.
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Yes, yes.
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Well, for anybody that knows anything about tarot, you know, each card has its own meaning, and the major arcana are sort of like archetypes.
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Um, they hold uh the energy or the frequency of various different types of archetypes, and they tell the hero's journey from the separation of uh the old self or community or family or whatever, all the way to excuse me, the victory at the end.
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Um, coming back from this journey, uh, a very different person with new tools.
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Um okay, you're gonna have to like take one card and give me an example.
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Okay, so I was literally in the kitchen painting two different paintings, painting the tower card and the devil card, the tower card is about a necessary falling away or a sudden experience that really shifts.
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It's like an implosion that breaks the shell apart, so to speak.
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And of course, the devil card is about uh feeling in bondage, feeling trapped.
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It can be about being in an abusive relationship, it could be about um addictions, anything that you feel uh really attached to in some kind of way.
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So I'm in the middle of painting these two cards, and the ex walks in, sat down, and wanted to have the breakup conversation right then and there.
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So that really set me on a healing journey that I didn't expect.
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Um, it did take me to the abyss.
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And what I realized in the abyss is that this relationship had shown me where my own attachment issues were with my mother and where in my healing process I had to face those parts of myself that I had made small in order to keep the peace, to or perceptually keep the peace.
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So I had to really face my own shadow stuff and bring it to the surface because this relationship really brought things to the surface that made me see where I had attached inadvertently out of fear of loss, out of fear of um causing a wave, so to speak.
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Um, and it taught me how to have a backbolt that I didn't have before.
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Okay, so this is this what you're talking about is that from the moment your husband walked into the kitchen when you were painting, and and then you had to deal with that's when it brought forth more of the um relationships with your
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mom and you found your backbone through that experience.
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Is that what I'm getting?
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Through the healing from that experience primarily.
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And let me correct, it wasn't a husband, it was a just an ex person I was in a relationship with.
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Okay.
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But yes, it did in the in the in the healing part of that journey, it did remind me where I had attached in ways that were not healthy.
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And it taught me how to have healthier attachments instead of attachment, I call it connection now.
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Um, and it showed me where I had put parts of myself in shadow, hid myself.
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And now, you know, I speak to those parts of my ancestors that didn't get to have a voice.
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You know, I get to have that voice, and I'm not so worried about somebody trying to kill me for something I say, right?
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I'm not so worried about my own safety um by being sovereign and speaking my mind.
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So and I don't have to put up with abuse.
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So I'm sorry.
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I mean, I kind of understand everything that um you're saying, but I think someone who doesn't understand generational um that we take things through, like whatever happened to maybe your great-great-great-great grandmother, gets passed down from generation to generation.
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So when you recognize this, well, first of all, how do you recognize it?
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And then once you do recognize it, how do you go about fixing it or changing it?
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That's a really good question because that's what I specialize in as a psychotherapist.
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Um, and I use an integrative approach, uh, combining clinical skills, various energy healing modalities, and shamanic practices.
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How do you identify that?
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One, look at where some of your core beliefs come from.
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Is that your voice?
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Is that your soul voice, or is that coming from the voice of the critics around you when you were a child?
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Are you repeating patterns?
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I have seen with my own eyes a client have a trauma reaction about something that they had never experienced themselves, but their grandmother had.
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And if anybody's familiar with Professor Vanderkocht's book, The Body Keeps the Score, you you kind of understand that we can carry that in our DNA and pass it down until it hits the person who can heal it.
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Yeah, I I agree with that.
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I I understand what that that means.
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And um have worked with with someone on some of those those issues, but but it takes finding someone like you or the other the person that I worked with to I it takes being open to even that that even exists.
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Like if I was to sit with my I know some of my girlfriends, they'd be like, oh my god, Polly, you're like you're crazy, you know what I mean?
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Like and and for for for someone who who doesn't understand, I mean how do they how do they learn more and how do they recognize that that might be happening within themselves?
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I mean, you mentioned a book.
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Is that book explain?
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Yes, yes, it it it does definitely explain how a traumatic experience, whether it's yours or an ancestor's, uh, can have such an impact on your nervous system that the chemistry, even your nervous system is your electrical system, right?
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And trauma is an energy by definition that overwhelms the nervous system that sends you into fight, flatter freeze, right?
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Right.
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So if that is not processed very quickly and transmuted out through expression verbally, uh, through your emotional expression, potentially artistically, and then finding meaning in the experience, uh, then one's nervous system holds on to that.
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And you walk around operating in almost like hypervigilance, constantly looking for the next thing that's a threat.
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And that means that whatever intuition got expanded in that moment of trauma is finite based on fear.
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It's locked into fear.
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And the beautiful thing is as the person learns to feel that energy for themselves, and yes, you have to be open to this, you have to have a little, at least for my approach, you have to have a little bit of awareness at least of this and be open-minded.
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Um, as that person learns to feel that energy for themselves and learns to start transmuting that, I watch their intuition expand because they go from being in fear all the time, scanning the environment, to learning how to love themselves again, saying, Wow, there must be something really important about me for me to have had this experience.
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And what does it mean to me?
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And so I see their intuition then expand because it's based in self-love.
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And now they're looking for connection and guidance rather than the threat.
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Yeah, and and the process, at least kind of like what I worked through when I was was recognizing that stuff, is I don't want to say um it's simple, but it's not, it's not like traditional, at least for me, it was not traditional therapy where you went in and
just talked about your problems over and over again.
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You're actually trying to figure out where that is inside of your body and how you're going to release that.
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Do I have that correct?
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Yes, that's part of it.
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Okay.
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Yes, that's part of it.
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And I do use many different clinical approaches uh along with that, depending on what the person needs.
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And the gold standard these days these days is EMDR.
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Yeah.
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I was gonna ask you about that.
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Yeah.
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Well, and I and it does have a good place, it helps with some processing and desensitization, but it does not remove, does not transmute.
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And that is the challenge.
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I have had many clients come in, sit down on my couch for the first time and say, I did EMDR years ago and it really helped for a couple of years there or whatever.
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But now, right?
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And I'm like, you rewired your brain, you got some distance from what happened, you processed and made a little meaning, but you did not transmute the energy.
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And that's what's key.
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That is what's key.
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If you have a flower growing in a toxic environment, you don't fix the flower, you fix the environment.
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So, what I do is on the front end, as I'm building relationship with my clients, as I am um sort of teaching them some coping skills along the way as we're building that rapport, I help them transmute that energy as early as possible.
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So it's out of the way.
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Then we deal with what are the images that linger, what are the feelings, where in my body do I feel like that affected me?
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Um, and it's so much, I would say it's not an easy process for anyone, but I would say it's a little bit more smooth and it's long-lasting.
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I have clients who years later have come to me and said, Wow, you know, I'm loving life.
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I'm a healer myself.
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And a lot of people who've been through trauma and healed through trauma also recognize that they tend to move towards being a healer of some form.
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I don't care if you're a lawyer or a school teacher or whatnot, you still find this energy about you that provides a space that holds space for other people to be able to heal.
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And sometimes you provide that guidance, and a lot of times all another person needs from you to feel that healing from you is me too.
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Or I get it.
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Oh that's huge when somebody actually understands um what you're feeling instead of trying to fix you, they just try to understand.
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Now, I I want to go back to something that I find very, very interesting, and that was how you said that something that might have happened many generations before keeps repeating itself.
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I might be paraphrasing a little bit, but keeps repeating itself to get to the person who um can change it.
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That is so cool.
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And I just want to know a ton more.
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I just want to know a ton more.
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Well, okay, so let's the let's look at just the divine feminine, right?
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What we understand of the energy of divine feminine, and how 2,000 plus years ago the divine feminine was literally bastardized, uh, was taken out of her rightful place, her partner was killed, right?
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She was called a prostitute, she was turned, she went from being a sacred portal through which worlds are birthed, to a bitch with a uterus, right?
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So all this time, these I would say, systems of control, all this conditioning over time, right, has gotten us to the point where we are now, and look how healthy our society is.
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I think you're being sarcastic, right?
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I am very much being sarcastic.
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So if you think about how just a mindset, how the way we uh interact and approach and define one another can be affected in one generation.
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Imagine 2,000 years of that, right?
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So science has proven so far that we can carry through the mitochondria from female to female to female signatures in our DNA from trauma up to at least three generations back.
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That would be like my great-grandmother.
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Um, but I suspect it goes way further back than that because when you start to learn how to read energy and tap into energy, you can sense different things about your own DNA.
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And I'm not going into all of that right now, that might be a whole nother podcast.
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Right.
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But if you can say just the last three generations, right?
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If your great-grandmother, let's say she was raped, okay, and she never really processed that because she grew up in a very, say, primitive Baptist environment where they didn't talk about sex.
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And if a man had overcome a woman and abused her in some way, you just swept it under the rug.
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It was the way the culture kind of was at the time, right?
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So her daughter would inherit not only that trauma through the DNA, but those learned behaviors, those thoughts about those core beliefs about self, like I'm dirty, I'm ruined, whatever, right?
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Um, behaviors on how they cope with things.
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So someone who went through that back in that generation would have likely kind of been shut down.
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They would have been sort of withdrawn from others, oftentimes, uh, maybe even just angry.
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Depends on how that person tended to uh react and respond.
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So then you have that person's grandchildren having this trickle-down effect, right?
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Not just the trauma.
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Now, that woman's child, that woman's daughter, how is she gonna deal with something that's not even hers if her mom can't deal with it?
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So it gets passed down, it gets passed down, and then it hits the person who has what our generation has brought, information at our fingertips so we can learn about these things.
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Uh, more open-mindedness to say, hey, that doesn't mean you're dirty.
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That doesn't mean something's wrong with you.
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That means somebody else did something to you that was not okay, period.
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Right?
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The mindset changes.
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We raise in consciousness as technology improves.
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Right.
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The more we have connection with one another, the more supported we feel.
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So when it hits that person that says, you know what, I don't know everything that happened, maybe, but I know I don't want to be like my mom was.
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I don't want to be like my grandmother was.
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Right.
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So I want to do different.
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Okay.
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That makes sense.
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Now, I I'm assuming that's not just for women.
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I'm sure I'm assuming it's all genders, correct?
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Yes, and what I say, the reason I say women is because scientifically we can prove through the mitochondria the RNA of DNA can show those markers being passed down at least through generations.
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But of course, you know, it goes a lot further back than that.
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I it's it's it has to be fascinating what you what you do when you work with people to to to Oh, it absolutely is.
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I feel so blessed and honored to get to do what I do.
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Right.
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And the stories you must kind of hear and help
people work through and to see the the changes within them.
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What is like when you think about well, first of all, how did you I mean, through all the things that you went through, were you this person before all the challenges that you had, or did you morph into this because of all the things that had happened to you?
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I would say I was led, I was guided.
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And that was more of a morphing process because um I grew up a very intuitive child, very intuitive empath kind of child.
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And I think part of it, you know, of course, when we're we're really little, we're wide open.
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We are very sensitive and we pick up on everything in our environment to a degree.
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Well, I had a near-death experience at age five.
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And then a few months later, I had encephalitis from chicken pox that didn't break out.
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So I had a really bad fever and I was having out-of-body experiences.
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I was uh, you know, exploring the hospital, coming back, and then telling my mom what I would see.
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And she would go in and validate and told me, okay, then there's something to this.
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So, you know, I think truly looking back on it from a professional point of view, my nervous system was definitely changed at that age.
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And um I was so wide open, I didn't have those energetic boundaries that I really needed.
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So empathically, I took on everybody's stuff until I realized later in life that that's what I was doing, and I learned some emotional boundaries as well.
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But as a highly intuitive child, which what we call on the neurodivergent spectrum, HSP, which is highly sensitive person, that's on the other end of the spectrum from autistic disorders of autism disorders.
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Um, because I did feel everything like sensory-wise, it was very challenging.
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Um because not only were my basic five senses constantly overwhelmed, my intuitive capabilities were constantly in motion, and I was dealing with trauma from my own family at home.
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Uh, my mother was uh Mentally ill.
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My grandmother had her own mental health challenges.
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And of course, all of that was a trickle-down effect of trauma from previous generations.
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And so I grew up the weird kid in school.
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I was the weird kid.
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I was the kid who felt everything but didn't know that was what was going on.
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And it really took, and I tried as a teen to fit in.
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I tried to numb it out or dumb it down or whatever, and that did not work.
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Um, and it wasn't until I got to the University of West Georgia, not far from my home, in fact, where the psychology department here is um humanistic transpersonal.
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It's not your typical rats and mazes.
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It's one of, I think, four programs in the country.
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Um, and it had a clinical track.
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And I was like, this is right up my alley.
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This was the first time I ever felt like I was truly seen and heard and didn't feel crazy.
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In fact, I felt blessed.
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Now, underneath all of this, I don't to this day still don't know exactly what this is about, but I'm I'm starting to get there.
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I had this deep sense of spiritual integrity.
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I don't know why, I don't know where it comes from.
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I just know that I've always had this sense of spiritual integrity.
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And that doesn't mean I've been perfect by any means.
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I don't even know what perfect means.
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I wish I knew who coined the term.
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Um so I would say all of my experiences, the spiritual integrity as well, spiritual resiliency, uh, along with just general resiliency and my sensitivities.
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My I had a lot of mystical experiences as a child.
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I think all of it, it was just sort of like being guided along the way, not realizing I was being guided until I got to a certain point.
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And each experience I had built something that helped me get through the next one, and so on and so forth.
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And things really shifted um three years ago.
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And it's sort of like everything started to make sense when I looked back on my life.
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That's that sounds like a lot of people who I know that have I'm just gonna call it a bit of a gift.
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It's kind of the same thing that they started to see it when it was younger, it it didn't truly manifest into what it was until later in life.
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And it was because they had to really become open to what was happening within them.
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So if you if there's a uh a woman who's listening to this today, and she's like, what is like she knows that she can feel something within her energy, and is there something that she can just is it taking a deep breath or is it tapping?
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Is it is it something that that can change that energy for her at that moment?
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I mean, what what is like a tool that we could use?
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Well, your bet your breath is your best friend.
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If you really think about it, like we know from studies that deep breathing helps regulate the nervous system, it calms the vagal nerve, and the vagal nerve is the one at the base of the brain that's saying, Hey, we're in danger of fight, flood or freeze, right?
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So having that deep breath helps get that oxygenated blood to that part of the body and it tells that nerve, hey, we're okay, we're we're really okay.
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So we we start to regulate.
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When you when you calm down into a more regulated state, if you can think to do this one thing, it will be so beneficial if you can say to yourself, even if I don't trust what's going on, even if I don't trust the people around me, even if I don't trust anything else, I can trust my inner knowing.
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I can trust my inner knowing because there's something, and I think almost every woman recognizes this that there's something more to life than what we've been handed.
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There's something more to us beyond the religions that we have been taught.
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There's something more to us than just being, you know, live, die, live, work, yeah, taxes and die.
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You know, there's more to life than just what we've been handed.
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And I think what we're seeing right now, and I can't say it's just women because I'm not trying to be exclusive, but what I'm saying is that feminine, those feminine energies, those feminine, that sense of feminine divine feminine, is sort of coming to the surface again.
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People are seeing it again because knowledge is coming up.
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There is more information available.
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Women are saying, wait a minute, I'm not gonna play small.
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Like this is not okay, right?
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Right.
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And what you're seeing is a lot of women who are saying, Wow, wait, being intuitive is normal.
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It's not woo-woo.
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Oh, it's always that.
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It's just the the little thing inside your gut that's saying, Hey, this isn't right, or yes, this is right.
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You know, the thing that we can you just trust it.
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Yeah, that's I think that's the hardest part for a lot of people is Yeah, because we've been told we're powerless, we're helpless, we can't trust our the voices in our heads.
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Like we've been so conditioned for so long, we don't realize just how masculinized women actually are in this day and age.
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Yeah, it's um yeah, we're masculinized and we've demasculated a lot of males.
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Um yeah, roles have roles have changed.
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And yes, and even down to yeah, it's go ahead and say I think it's just when you get it, you get it.
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And and when it's just some people just may never get it.
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And and that's the unfortunate reality.
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Yeah, it is some people won't.
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Some people will get just enough information that they see hope and then they're too fearful, and they will turn around and live in willful ignorance.
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Well, I think that's what every challenging every person that I talk to, it all comes down to to fear and limiting beliefs.
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It's it's what you've been what you've been or somebody's been telling you most of your life, and you're afraid to take that next step because you don't know what's gonna happen.
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And really, in any situation, is just take it, just take the step.
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Yes, what's the worst that can happen?
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Right.
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In those situations, I'm likely to tell somebody, choose.
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Do you want to continue this way?
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Or do you want to take a chance?
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There are so many times in my life that I faced such overwhelming anxiety, and I had to force myself to say, I choose love over fear, I choose love over fear, I choose love over fear.
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Yes, I understand that.
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And that's the only way I got through those moments.
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Yeah.
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And I didn't want to repeat what I had seen, at least, I mean, though, it not to say that my family was so bad, but I didn't want to repeat those parts that I saw as unhealthy, that I saw were harmful.
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Yes, my mom loved me and she hurt me, right?
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We can hold both at one time, but I can choose not to continue doing the same things I saw or experienced that hurt me.
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And that will change that for my children.
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Yeah, and that'll change the next generation and the generation after that.
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It's it's it's like one person can change the past and the future by just recognizing some things and changing just a little bit about yourself and how how you handle situations or letting go of of things.
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Yeah.
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Um, it's a fascinating subject.
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We could probably talk all day about it.
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And I just know that somebody's gonna listen to this and they're just gonna go not not getting it until the day something finally
triggers and and you and you that you get it.
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Yeah.
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But a lot of my work is also planting seeds.
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Yes, plant the seed, plant the seed.
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Mindy, it's been a pleasure talking with you.
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And like I said, I could talk to you forever because there's even more that I want to pick your brain on it.
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But you know, we only have so many time, so much time, so much time.
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So it has been such a pleasure.
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I've enjoyed talking with you and learned a lot, and there's a lot more that I want to learn myself.
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And and I I went I got on my journey about five years ago, and um it's been pretty exciting.
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Figuring it out.
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Yes, yes, just figuring it out.
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And it's been a pleasure to be here.
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Thank you.
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I always enjoy having any kind of space where there is that freedom to speak the truth about things that are really important.
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Yeah, and I hope that somebody does listen to this and either reaches out to you for for for um you know to further the conversation or starts doing their own research.
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That's what I did.
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I just googled it and just started to try to figure it out.
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Yes, and all the right people, all the right people sent started to to land in into my path because I was open to it.
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Go to chat GPT and say, how do you how does energy healing work with healing trauma?
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And just see what comes up.
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You know, just be open.
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He's everybody's new best friend.
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Mine's a guy.
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I don't know if yours is a guy or a girl, but I mine's a guy.
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So well, I have a lot of different ones.
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Yeah, they all have different names.
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Anyway, it was a pleasure.
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Um, um, I really did enjoy take talking with you.
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So I just wish you well and take care of yourself.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you for joining us for another episode of Unstoppable with Paula Swain.
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If today's conversation left you thinking about your own story and what might come next, come find Paula at Soar from Silence, a place for real conversation, real life, and figuring out what's next.
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