התמלול המלא של What Happens When Songwriters Create Space for God? // Jason Pamer & Josh Silverberg

00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:24.560 Can we get that uh set up real quick, Bruce? 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:24.719 Thanks. 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:26.159 Yeah, we'll take care of it. 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:28.080 Good, good, yeah. 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:43.520 Uh but I did remember meeting uh very thoroughly Jason and some of his colleagues, like Jens Jacob, Ben Hollywood, and and Eric Esau, director of The Heart of Man. 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.479 And these were young filmmakers beyond the years. 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.759 I think it was like 2015, 14. 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:50.639 I don't know, Jason. 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:51.120 What do you think? 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:52.080 Uh yeah, like 14. 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:52.800 Yeah, 14. 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.319 I think Jason was maybe 19 or 20 by then. 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.800 And uh, you know, they were generous to us. 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:09.439 They they flew John Lynch and myself up to Bellevue or Redmond, Washington, uh, and did an interview. 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.520 And then I realized, oh, Paul Young's on this movie. 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:22.400 And uh, oh, Dan Alander's on this movie, and all these, and and I realized, oh, Jason is a galvanizer, which Josh is also. 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.039 And I but then I said, you know what? 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.759 Now you got John Amin, now you got so many old white guys on this film. 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:35.759 I will pay for a second interview if you would get a young woman of color somehow. 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.680 Well, this is the way Jason works. 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.159 So he gets Jackie Hill Perry to replace me. 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:45.280 I thought that was uh a little humbling, but exactly what we asked for. 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:52.719 And then that movie, uh uh just that True Face Got to be a part of it is uh an honor. 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:58.400 And it's been seen by millions of people around the world, in theaters and out. 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:05.280 And so I've just loved working with Jason so much uh ever since those days. 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.240 Now it's over 10 years uh at least. 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:09.439 Yeah. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:15.759 So speaking of parenting, Jason, that you're you're in a different part of the world right now. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:21.439 Do it some parenting because we can hear the uh we can just hear the the atmosphere behind you right now. 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:25.839 So tell everybody where you're at that you're just I hope it's not too uh the cicadas. 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.279 Josh was Josh was just in this part of the world with his family. 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:30.720 Josh, do you like the cicadas? 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:31.519 Did you hear him? 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:32.399 No, I didn't. 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:33.439 You didn't have him? 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:34.800 Didn't you hear him? 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:35.439 No. 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:36.639 Oh my gosh. 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.839 There there's like, I don't know, four million of them around me right now. 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:48.399 Um yeah, I'm in Athens, my wife is Greek, we met in Greece, I attended a Bible college here, and we have produced four kids. 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:55.040 Matthias is 12, Daphne's nine, Eliana's four, and Melina's two, so three girls and a boy. 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.480 And um that that book has been a guidebook. 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:17.120 I mean, I when we've driven uh you know on hour-long road trips around Greece, and I find myself reacting to my wife's uh counsel on how I should drive, I immediately flash back to uh various chapters or scenes in that book, and I'm like, how should I handle this moment? 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:22.399 Now I will say I don't always properly uh process it. 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.120 It's some it triggers me in a unique way. 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:27.279 Um but yeah, I'm here in Greece. 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.879 We try to get here every summer. 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:34.800 Um I will just say on the Heart of Man journey, you know, Bruce was a uh confidant, a mentor. 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:44.560 He helped structure the story arc, um, he helped us in distribution, he secured the bulk of the marketing dollars for the for the nationwide theatrical release. 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:47.839 He helped me steward it to about 30 countries and theaters. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:57.040 Uh he was incredibly generous with his, you know, four or five decades worth of best in class relationships, and he opened up every door wide. 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:07.279 We shared many meals together, and really, I mean, he fundamentally shifted the way I see God the Father and the way that I hopefully my kids can see me in the way that I'm attached to God the Father. 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:08.720 So Bruce is a dear friend. 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:10.000 I have very few mentors. 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:15.199 I have a great earthly dad, and I have very few mentors, but Bruce is one of them and uh love the guy. 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.240 Would go in the middle of a field and build a fence with him. 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:19.759 Um, and that's kind of what we did here. 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:24.000 Although Josh built a very elegant uh villa, not just a fence. 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.319 Um and then I met Josh. 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.480 Am I transitioning or is that too much talking? 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:28.639 Yeah. 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:29.040 Yeah. 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:34.399 I mean, there's a lot of follow-up questions I want to ask about what you're talking about, but for right now, yeah, let's let's let's talk about Josh. 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.759 Forgive me for the long-winded sort of No, it's great. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.319 Hey, I made a film called After Death. 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:43.199 We released it with Angel Studios in October of 23.

00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:47.759 It's a film on near-death experiences, the phenomenon of like what is afterlife? 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:49.360 Is there anything beyond or not? 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:57.920 So we we we followed the science, we followed about five stories of people that died, saw some sort of afterlife who came back, one of which had a hellish near-death experience. 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:07.360 And we were finishing up the film and thinking about the music for the end credit uh scene, which is the most important musical cue in a film. 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:14.079 And I think we were on a call, I think Jens reached out to Chris Kilala of Jesus Culture, and Chris immediately connected us to Josh. 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:20.800 And unbeknownst to us, Josh had his own near-death experience just the year before that, which I'll let Josh get into. 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.439 So he he had a connection to the material. 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:30.319 But this this guy is um he's a killer in every beautiful way. 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.120 He's excellent, he's kind, he's generous, he's not pretentious. 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.439 His his credentials could have lasted the entire opening of the show. 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:47.040 Um, there's 40 albums across all of Christendom that have hit platinum, and he's got one of them, and you would never know that from his lips. 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.920 So that's why I always tell people about it, because I'm just so proud of him. 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:56.160 He so he did the After Death uh Inspired By soundtrack and the end credit song. 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:12.720 So he produced an amalgamation of like six artists coming together to create tracks for the Inspired By album uh for After Death, and that kicked off a friendship and a relationship, and he's been on multiple films with me, and now he's breaking into film and the way he did music. 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:18.240 And so this is gonna be the the film producer you guys will do podcasts with, and I'll just gonna be a fan. 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.959 Maybe I can like carry his bag. 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:23.519 I actually kind of want to sing. 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.560 Maybe if you can have me sing on the next track, that would be okay. 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:27.040 That's it. 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:27.519 I'm done. 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:28.319 I'm done. 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:28.959 Oh well. 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.399 All right, just wow, podcast over. 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:33.919 So that's great. 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:44.639 But that after death film is one of the highest, I I think I got this right, the highest volume faith-based documentaries on Netflix. 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.879 And uh so these two guys, they they they make things happen. 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.240 So a privilege to be with them on this project. 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:54.799 Josh started cutting you off, man. 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:55.919 Josh, you're up, man. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:56.320 You're finally. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.559 We get now, you be we get the chance to hear from you. 00:08:58.799 --> 00:08:59.840 You gotta sing it though. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.279 You can't you gotta hung or something. 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:04.480 How do I meet these guys? 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.440 It was at the Think Conference that I met Bruce. 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:15.200 Jason invited me to it, or through Bruce's kind gesture of supplying tickets. 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:17.360 I don't, you know, I don't know if I have my facts straight. 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:18.320 You guys can correct me. 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:24.559 But anyway, I showed up for free, invited by these guys, and had the time of my life. 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:36.720 Um, I wasn't thinking, like I thought it was just gonna possibly end there, or maybe I would see these guys later at some other thing with Bruce and the True Face crew. 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.360 Um, but I guess we couldn't quit each other. 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:40.399 We're like, you know what? 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.960 I just miss you, so let's do something. 00:09:44.399 --> 00:10:09.039 Um so we, yeah, we Jason had a great idea to how do we extend the life of the path, you know, and I know like the path had an and a book, an animated series, like a lot of material surrounding the concepts and chapters, um, but there wasn't any music tied to it. 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:22.799 So um yeah, Jason had a great idea to to do a sync camp in Nashville, and we brought together just amazing talent, lots of artists that you guys would love and know, and they're coming out soon. 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:29.840 Um and yeah, we got to do a song for each chapter of the book, so it's really special. 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:40.480 And these artists got to embody really the character and the themes um that are portrayed in each chapter. 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:46.320 Um, and it was a really great creative experience for all the artists involved as well. 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:55.039 So we had, I mean, I know people will enjoy it listening to the music, but I think the best part was making music. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.799 So which is not always the case, right, Trosh? 00:10:58.879 --> 00:10:58.960 Yeah. 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:00.159 That's right. 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:02.639 No, sometimes that's the worst part. 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:03.759 Yeah. 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:04.799 Yeah. 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.840 Everybody who's had anything to do with the project is has nothing but good things to say about Josh. 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.960 Um, just you know, you don't have to say it, Josh. 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.320 Everybody else says it on behalf of you, which is amazing. 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:29.679 So, Bruce, for all the people out there watching and listening who just have no idea what we mean when we say the path, can you give a little backstory on that

project um and and what we mean when we say that? 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:30.720 Yes. 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:31.679 Yes. 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:57.919 Well, it it was maybe four years ago or so that um the staff and some of the board members and ambassadors of the TrueFace clan started wondering if we could create a discipleship book for the questions that were being asked, not by uh boomers, Xers, even millennials sometimes, but by Gen Z. 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:07.919 So we we asked hundreds of these people from around 14 to 29 now, somewhere in there, um, these questions. 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:23.200 And of course, we we've been reading, so we knew the questions were around anxiety and loneliness and and uh purpose and identity and friendship or lack of and all the comparison on social, all that. 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:32.720 So um we began to write another story, and that's what mostly uh True Face has done is write stories. 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:50.320 And um and so it was about four years ago, I think Benjamin, you can correct me on this, that we the four of us started in in uh kind of a serious way writing and doing uh writing retreats and so uh back in in Atlanta. 00:12:50.879 --> 00:13:06.720 And um it it it occurred to us that Kurt Thompson, one of our friends who is uh uh a psychiatrist but blends scripture and neuroscience so well uh that what he had said is what we were trying to do. 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:14.240 And he says, um, we we are all born into this world looking for someone who is looking for us. 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:20.639 And this mode of searching will continue the rest of our lives. 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:26.879 And we realized this whole generation is looking for someone, looking for them. 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:36.879 And that was the prayer that we hoped this book, which then turned into you know music and animation and so forth, would do for them. 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:55.360 And that people who especially work in these categories like young life or crew or university or youth pastors or classical academies or charter schools, that those would be the kind of people like Jason and Josh are. 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:05.279 When I think of Jason and Josh, just to jump on this, I think of Barnabas the hero in the New Testament, because he saw people. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:11.600 And he saw Paul long before a lot of other people wanted to see Paul when he was Saul. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.799 And and this is what these two guys do. 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:21.360 They see the people that they're ministering to and with and the audiences. 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:31.519 And so, like even when I was at songwriting camp uh with Jason and Josh and Lana, I get I mentioned Lana, associate producer's done so much. 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:44.080 Um I would talk to some of these songwriters and musicians and artists, and they would tell me how Josh had walked with them through some of their toughest patches in life. 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:56.080 And and uh then they would tell me what he walked through with them, how he prayed with them, stayed in the room, he didn't leave, he he was he he's a shepherd, he's a pastor, he's a Barnabas. 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:02.320 Um he's not just galvanizing like Barnabas does in in the New Testament, but he's doing that. 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:08.159 And Jason has done that all through, I could name so many names uh over these years. 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:10.799 So that's where the path kind of originated. 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:21.679 And then Benjamin, you and Brittany really did a lot of the heavy lifting, uh, especially in the story, um, and and then later the guide notes uh in this book. 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:26.159 So I just want to thank you um for doing that. 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:36.080 Um yeah, so uh you you talk a lot about story, and and Jason, that's part of what your life work has been involved in is telling stories. 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:39.279 So we we've referred to the path. 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.399 Some of the people watching this are familiar with the cure. 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:48.159 Uh we see Bruce wearing his Bose Cafe shirt, uh, which we'll have to get back to in just a second. 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.919 Um, the heart of man. 00:15:50.320 --> 00:16:06.720 Jason, when you came in contact with TrueFace, and again, for people who are watching or listening and are unfamiliar, when we talk about these stories, these quote-unquote True Face stories, what is it about the message of TrueFace that kind of drew you in originally? 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:16.320 Uh I think it was the the grace, the kindness, the wisdom, the the utter lack of shame. 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:23.039 Um you know, there's a couple of phrases that these guys have used over the years that have really stuck with me. 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:34.399 You know, one of them is um being seen at my worst and loved the most, you know, and to to do that over the arc of multiple decades of friendship and partnership. 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:38.240 Um I mean, that is that is where everything is tested. 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:40.720 And that's where the flames are hottest over time. 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:52.080 And um the you know, this idea of uh trusting God versus pleasing God, the I you know, there's two paths that that really uh has gone around the world multiple times and come back. 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:57.840 This idea of being at the beginning of these two paths, this trailhead, and they the the beginning of the path looks the same. 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:04.079 Trusting God, pleasing God, but as you make your way up, you'll find that they are very divergent and they don't lead you to the same place. 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:09.680 And that you know, that that um is deeply profound for someone that's not a parent. 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:18.799 It is certainly profound for someone that is a parent, because it is like, how do I have my kids

trust me and not just want to please me? 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.359 Because that's really it's on me. 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.599 Like I I set the table and stage for that. 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:32.640 So it's like well then okay, and the relation between me and God the Father, what has he done to sort of set the table for trust versus pleasing? 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:39.519 And why is my instinct to try to please or hide and not trust and be fully seen? 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:40.480 You know, why is that? 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:46.079 And so I was exposed to, I mean, I grew up in the church, but they had new language for things. 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.720 Um new language for old and ancient realities and truths. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:59.519 Well, they weren't making up new truth, new reality, but they had really beautiful, elegant language and rappers to to to to put around it that uh made it digestible in a way. 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:03.119 And this is what they do with books and their speaking, and and this is what the path is. 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:14.799 It's what you guys put on paper that allowed these artists for some of them for the first time to create because they were inspired by others' creativity. 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:26.000 And you know, Josh gave the the chapter to every room before they got there, and I think that created a whole nother layer of beauty and marination um in the story. 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:27.359 Sorry, I'm going off again. 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:28.079 Just cut me off. 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:28.960 Just stop. 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:30.720 No, it's great, man. 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:31.359 It's it's great. 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:40.319 We the last podcast we had Mike Donahey on, and he we were asking him a little bit of his origin with Treeface and that idea you're talking about about being known. 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.880 Uh he mentioned that phrase, is that all you got? 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:49.039 Which is a uh from the cure where someone shares something that they're struggling with, and somebody says, Is that all you got? 00:18:49.279 --> 00:19:01.839 As opposed to you know putting the mask back on or trying to you know manage someone through performance, um, but to lean in where someone can be known at their worst and and loved in a major way for who they are. 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:03.279 So yeah. 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:04.160 I love that. 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:09.839 So, Jason, how did how did Josh get get and his talents get brought into this project? 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:16.559 The path was written, we're doing some other things around it, and all of a sudden someone has an idea for an album, right? 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.680 Well, so Bruce and I were sitting on a patio having a cigar. 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:20.559 Bruce was not. 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:22.880 I'm um I'm given to certain vices. 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:24.559 I'll be but let me be really clear. 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:29.200 I think I had like, I don't know, 10 cigars in my entire life before I moved to Franklin, Tennessee. 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:34.160 And I've had, let's just say, more than that since arriving in nine months. 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:47.839 So um I was we're having a cigar at a place, a curated place for the curious, for creatives, for for uh kingdom entrepreneurs, a place called Franklin Social in Franklin. 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:55.519 Um we're on the balcony, and I think I told Bruce, like, hey, I'm I'll read this book once or twice, I'll go back to the red lines. 00:19:55.759 --> 00:20:02.400 But if you had songs that embodied the essence of this book, I would listen to those tracks hundreds of times. 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:17.759 I'm like, so um Bruce and his sort of infinite wisdom and incredible elasticity didn't just shut it down, even though he probably thought about the million ways it wouldn't work, or shouldn't work, or couldn't work, or it's one of the many things that was, you know, supposed to take focus. 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:33.519 But the one thing I've seen be true over the last decade and a half, I've known him, is when he when he I'll say this, when he feels like the Holy Spirit's guiding his movement and then he locks in, there's really there was no question in my mind once he locked in that it was gonna happen. 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:39.119 And it actually, the scope increased from when we first talked about it, and I think became something so beautiful. 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:43.279 But as he locked in and was like, okay, look, what does it look like to explore it? 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:46.799 There was nobody else in my mind other than Josh Silverberg. 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:52.000 Again, it would it wouldn't be enough if he was uh kind and thoughtful. 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:58.079 He has to be excellent, and he is beyond that in this realm um and is becoming that in the film realm as well. 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:08.960 And so I was just like, okay, who's who has the regard, sits at the city gates of Nashville, has a reputation with no ill repute, and has done it at the highest level. 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:13.039 And there's like a very small list of people, and and Josh is on that list. 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:17.599 So when I hit up Josh, he I don't know who you're talking about, but they sound cool. 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.039 I would love to meet them. 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.519 You should introduce me to whoever you're talking about. 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:25.039 To that version of Josh. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:26.000 Oh no, okay. 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:26.799 Now you go, Josh. 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.440 So you maybe describe when we had that first call. 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.160 On the album creation or when we first met? 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.680 No, no, when I reached out to you about the idea of the path album. 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:39.200 Oh, yeah. 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:40.160 The

first call. 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:41.599 What was the first call? 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:44.319 It was Josh, you better do this or else. 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:45.599 No, it wasn't that. 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:58.880 Here like this is I just love talking honestly and transparently about everything and the journey of this record to me. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.759 Is seems to mirror so much the heart of God. 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.160 And like Jason for me is such a dear friend. 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:16.319 I just met Bruce, but right away instantly could tell what a father he is, what a mentor, like legend. 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:22.559 Um within one sentence, you can feel the love, Bruce, that you have for people. 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:24.559 Like it's just palpable. 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:31.039 And so when Jason asked me to be a part of it, to do, you know, consider this. 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:37.680 For me, it was there was no, it was just, I want to do this because these guys are awesome. 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:43.680 But I had zero expectation of like, oh, we're gonna be able to get awesome people. 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:46.240 It's gonna be the most amazing project. 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:57.920 Like that, I had zero uh motivation on a career standpoint, you know, like let me, like this is gonna add to my resume or whatever. 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.000 That that did not exist. 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:07.680 All the only thing that exists is, hey, these people that I just want to do something with is asking me to do something that I like doing. 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:19.039 Like, of course, you know, and I I saw it initially as me just giving this is my give back ministry moment, you know, truthfully. 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:24.960 And then very quickly, people started to gather and artists started coming. 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:26.960 And I was like, wait, wait, what? 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.480 This person's jumping on. 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:38.319 We got Franny Cash now, we got Mike Donahue, we got Bart Miller, if we're allowed to say that, if I'm letting the cat out of the bag, like we have all these amazing artists. 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.960 We should name everybody now, though, that you named like three of them. 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:42.640 So I don't make people mad. 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:46.480 They're gonna listen to it and they're gonna be like, where's my yeah, right? 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:47.920 I have to I have to look. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:54.000 I'm like gonna forget people, but we can probably in post, you guys can just like put us the name. 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:54.640 I don't know. 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:56.640 Yeah, I got on the screen, just list them all real quick. 00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:57.279 Yeah. 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:02.880 So it became like my favorite sync camp. 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:04.720 It was so beautiful. 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:10.400 There I think there's only one artist there that's

not like more of a name. 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:15.519 Um, and that was my favorite session and song of the whole thing. 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:25.759 Um and yeah, it was just the the gifts of God along the way were just kept building and building. 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.960 Um, and I just can't wait for it to come out. 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.960 We're in the mixing phase actually right now. 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:39.119 We have four songs mixed, and yeah, we're just we're wrapping up, and I just couldn't be more thrilled with the whole thing. 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.240 Like it it totally flipped on me, you know. 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:53.519 Like I did not expect to work with artists of that level to have music of this level, and the whole way everyone just wants to jump in. 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.119 Like they're going above, you know, Holland, for example. 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:09.440 She was in the middle of tour, she snuck in before sound check to, you know, no one's gonna do that on tour, no one's recording when you know how tiring and stressful tour is. 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:13.839 She was so happy to come in and sing her vocal for the song. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.920 And I'm just like, wow. 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:16.640 Yeah. 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:18.319 I love that track, by the way. 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.119 It's one of the things that's powerful. 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:30.000 So I have an internal question as far as the kind of how the process worked, and then an external question that we'll get to in a second. 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.079 Um, we'll put this photo up in post, uh, but I did print it out so you can see it. 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:38.880 We have a signed guitar here, and then we put this up in our True Face office. 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.720 We have a bunch of different sessions and and just cool photographs. 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.079 I believe people were making coffee for each uh chapter of the path. 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.519 But that's these guys. 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:50.720 These guys did that. 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:51.200 Yeah. 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:51.680 Yeah. 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:53.200 Everybody's signing this guitar. 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:59.839 By the way, Lana, who's on our team, Lana Jernigan, who really helped coordinate all this, just had surgery this morning. 00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:06.960 So, Lana, you'll probably watch this podcast at some place when you're recovering, and we're super grateful for you and all you did on that. 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:08.480 Um, she crushed it. 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:09.680 Absolutely crushed it. 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:10.640 She's awesome. 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:16.160 So, the choreography of all this, we're gonna bring a bunch of people together, we're gonna have a camp, a songwriting camp. 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.119 Like how any of you speak to how did this whole thing work? 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:22.960 You just asked Josh. 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.920 No, no, no, you just asked Josh, like, please. 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:28.720 Uh yeah, John, how did you pull this thing off? 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.599 Uh how do we pull all this on? 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.079 Uh everyone rally together. 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:44.000 As far as logistics goes, you know, we got to have a beautiful space in Franklin. 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.000 Um, it's at Tim Publishing. 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:53.279 So Stacy Wilbur was so gracious um at Tim Publishing to allow us to use this. 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:58.480 Uh it's like a I call it a barn, but it's not really. 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.839 It's just like it's like a museum, you know. 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:10.960 There's if you can imagine a massive barn, but really built out, um, very stylized with multiple levels and rooms. 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:16.799 Um, and in these rooms is various recording equipment and songwriting rooms. 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:28.559 And then on the second floor, it's more of an open area where we would meet and congregate for breakfast and uh, you know, coffee and gathering uh time. 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.599 So it was yeah, it was really great. 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.079 I think can I just add one thing? 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:39.839 I think every detail um was incredibly thought out. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:56.240 So, like, you know, the the level of resource needed to pull this camp off so that it didn't feel like so Josh didn't feel like and he did for sure calling favors, but it didn't feel like um we weren't honoring the artists that we invited into the journey. 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:05.440 And so Bruce went to some friends of True Face and got the level of resource that allowed people to get paid what they don't typically get paid at a camp. 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:09.519 We were even able to, at the end of camp, bonus a few people that worked really hard. 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:18.000 The gentleman that brought his um his uh coffee cart with his son that named each drink after one of the chapters, you know. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:23.680 Um but the food we had, you know, Bruce had a neurotheologian speak into the process with us. 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:29.519 So Josh and I are looking up like what foods are omega-5 rich and what are gonna help the brain. 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.720 And and we got comments from people that were like, this spread's amazing. 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.000 We never had this level of spread. 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.240 We had smoked salmon and berries, and oh my god, I'm so hungry. 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.599 It's it was delicious. 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.559 And we had endless streams of coffee. 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:50.559 And then the way that each room was put together with the producer and the engineer and the writer and the artist, these are all very, very thoughtfully curated. 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:56.960 And again, hats out to Josh, Bruce, and

Land, and the team, because I think everybody really leaned in and every detail mattered. 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:12.079 And I think when people listen to this album, on the way to get the diagnosis, on the way to uh be with a family member that they're not really any any life situation they find themselves in, these songs will meet them in that ride. 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:20.079 And I think because every detail was thought about and prayed over and sacrificed for, I think the output represents that. 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:21.920 We could have phoned it in. 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:22.960 Josh could have done that. 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:38.400 We could have been done with all the songs probably four months ago if he would have gone a certain way with it, but because he refused to do that, and it was so high touched along the way, um, especially in the glut of sort of AI and what that the your ability to push out output. 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:39.440 This was not that. 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.119 This was the antithesis of that. 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.960 This was like highly human all the way through, you know? 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:45.920 Yeah. 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:47.359 Yeah. 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.279 And I I love that. 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:58.640 The just the the thoughtfulness, the attention to detail, the commitment to doing things with excellence on the internal side. 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.240 Bruce, I'll start with you. 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.000 What was the goal for the listener? 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:10.160 Some people are going to be familiar with the path, some people are just going to come across these songs independently. 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:15.039 What were you hoping to see happen as the end result of this project? 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:24.799 Well, I th I will say one other thing about another neurotheologian that Josh and I got to uh zoom in on. 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:35.519 And he's probably one of the reasons I if I can say this about our CEO, Robbie, was on that rooftop with Jason and me. 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.359 And he had told Jason, hey, look, uh, if I I'll just say this. 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:43.039 Uh he said, the the cigars will be lost on Bruce. 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:50.640 So I'll I'll drive him to the rooftop uh office and I'll help on that night. 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.839 Um and so yeah, he and Jason had this thing. 00:30:54.240 --> 00:31:02.880 And Robbie, right away, said, after Jason had come up with this idea, and of course, this is one of the reasons now I look back and that I see what he's doing. 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:11.279 He's invited Josh to be at Think, so that Josh is already sort of in the melu of this group. 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.920 And Robbie says, that's a great idea. 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.039 Bruce will do it. 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:20.720 And I said, No, you give me so much stuff to do. 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:22.160 No, I just scan it. 00:31:22.240 -->

00:31:26.640 And he was gracious and he accepted it, and we talked about it on the right home, and he said, it's okay. 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:34.640 And then about two or three weeks later, Jim Wilder, this neurotheologian, is what we call him. 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:40.799 He's been after this uh neuroscience for 35 years as a psychologist and other things. 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:55.119 He says to this songwriter who happens to be at the retreat, who happens to be the guy that Josh referred to, he didn't name him, uh, Joel, um, has a powerful voice, a distinctive voice, I should say. 00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:07.519 Uh he looks over at Joel and he says, Now, Joel, keep writing songs, because what we know about the identity center in the right hemisphere of the brain is that it moves too fast for words, for text. 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:18.480 And one of the big reasons God designed music is to slow that down so that you can hear these words and you can say, Oh, that's who I am. 00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:20.559 And you can do songs. 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:27.200 So that I leaned over to Janet and said, Don't tell Robbie, but I think I might be changing my mind about this project. 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:39.759 And that that little paragraph of words then started call back to Jason and Josh and and and breakfast with Tim Timmins and with Mike Donahe and others. 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:48.240 And and so that is my hope, is that the music will do what and this is always a group project. 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.920 I can't get well on my own. 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.039 So uh it's always in relationship. 00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:06.000 But the music can put us into a relationship on Spotify or wherever that I may not have ever seen if I was reading a book or just in a group. 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.240 I might need them to sing to me. 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:18.240 So that's what my hope is, Benjamin, that this is a whole different level of the way God designed our brains to work, our minds to work. 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:23.599 And it's the same message, but it's a different medium that is powerful. 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:24.960 Yeah. 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:26.400 Man, that's incredible. 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:40.640 It it is not, it's not just, oh, we want to do this to get this message out, but we're actually speaking neurologically to a part of someone's brain that may only be able to experience this through music. 00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:42.240 Yeah. 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:43.839 That's pretty awesome. 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.960 That's pretty awesome, y'all. 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.279 I hope you you are hearing how awesome that is. 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:48.559 See, and I knew that. 00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:52.640 I knew the neuroscience, which is why I recommended that we do the album. 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:52.880 Yeah. 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.039 I don't explain all the details of it. 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.039 He's like Barnabas again. 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.319 He's he's seeing things before other people can see. 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.400 I'll I'll never call him anything other than Barnabas from this moment forward. 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:05.519 Just so everybody can. 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:11.519 So again, I'll I'll open the floor as we we kind of begin to land the plane of this podcast. 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:18.559 And originally, to Bruce's point with the path, we wanted to target Gen Z. 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:25.119 We did a ton of research, and then as the project has has been out there, it's just been for everybody. 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:35.039 You know, it's a uh we had a pastor in his late 50s who messaged us and was like, I'm weeping, and I wish I could have come across this book much, much earlier. 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:58.400 So some of the sometimes when you when you bring a message and you hope to make it palatable and digestible enough for a certain age range, um, although that age range is much more, in some ways, much more sophisticated than you know, people who are older, but you try to simp simplify and and you know the economy of your words, what you're saying, what you're not saying. 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.000 Now all of a sudden you make a message digestible to everyone. 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:17.679 So I but I do I would love for you guys to speak to your heart as to that the next generation and what you're hoping that they'll understand uh about God, about themselves, about relationships with each other. 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:24.320 Um, Jason, I'll start with you as it pertains to your kids, and just right on cue, one of them made an appearance right behind you. 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:32.639 But what is it that you're hoping the next generation will understand about themselves and themselves in relationship to God? 00:35:35.039 --> 00:36:06.719 Well, I I think I hope that that people will um come here um um realize that that um God has uh designed them, us in a way for deep, um intimate relationship, and that he's not waiting for us to get our behavior right, to figure this stuff out before he wants to be near to us, that he's not outside of the room waiting for us to figure our stuff out. 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:19.039 He is um sitting with us in the midst of whatever you know we're given to in that moment, and he's inviting us into something much more real and textured and three-dimensional and fulfilling. 00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:30.159 And I think that the way you guys have you know woven these deep truths and narrative and character and dialogue, I think people find themselves in different characters in the in the book. 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.920 That's also the beautiful part of the characterization you guys have done in the path. 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:39.360 Um because I think people are gonna resonate and connect with a certain character over another one. 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:58.000 And so I think um my hope is that they just

find that this this life is a wild, wild adventure, and that the disposition of the father is he is kneeled next to your bed, eyes wide open, waiting for you to wake up into the day with you, and that there's this sense of excitement and adventure. 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:02.159 And I think this this this album will light that up in people's hearts. 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:03.920 Yeah, I love that. 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:04.639 Beautiful. 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:06.960 Josh, what would you say to that? 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:10.960 Oh my gosh, yes. 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:45.360 I all of it, every bit of that, what what I hope anyone who listens to this, um, really that the message of the path gets into their spirit, like what we're talking about, um, the science part, but the science the science part is speaking to the spiritual part, you know, um the spirit of our mind, the understanding of our hearts, like directly to the places of us where it becomes a part of you versus just like a knowledge. 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:55.039 So that these that yeah, like the deep aspect of the Father's love um just breaks people down. 00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:09.920 And any pretense of performance um is broken off, you know, and it's easy in a theory to say Jesus performed everything that needs to be performed on the cross. 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:19.440 That was all the performance that that is needed for the acceptance into the family, um, for the father's delight in you. 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.280 It's done, it's finished. 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.719 Like you can't add to someone when they say it's finished. 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.400 You can't add to it because the performance part is done. 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:39.760 So, in theory, as believers, we all know this, but I guarantee you there's a component of that that your soul doesn't know yet. 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:45.440 That, you know, that your heart hasn't, there's a part of your heart that you're still there. 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:48.079 There's a part of shame that's still attached. 00:38:48.320 --> 00:39:07.119 Um, and we live, yeah, in this in this life, and music can be such a powerful way to shed light and to shed that shame, you know, the same way David did with the Psalms and the evil spirits left, the oppression left. 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:21.599 Um, there's such a power um in unity, and like because you know, to continue on that, we had maybe every denomination there at the camp. 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:33.199 We had everything from Catholic to conservative to charismatic to fundamic, you know, to like ones I don't even know, like all of them. 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:46.480 Every but we were surrounded by our unity in Jesus and our love for his message, you know, because I know when we get to heaven, there's gonna be everybody there. 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.400 And there will there'll be no arguing theology then. 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.079 They'll just be enjoying the love of God and

each other. 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.280 So why do we have to wait to heaven for that? 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:08.960 Why can't we enjoy each other now, enjoy the love of the Father now, and kind of, yeah, we don't have to debate over some thing that we don't really understand anyway. 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:16.159 So I don't know I went on that tangent, but if that ministers to someone, you know, praise God. 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.840 Yeah, no, that it that's powerful and it's incredible. 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:29.920 And um, for all of you watching or listening, what Jason and Josh just said, I hope though those words sink deep into your spirit as you hear that. 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:33.280 Bruce, I mean, can you can you follow those guys at this point? 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:52.239 Well, I was just uh thinking while they talked that I I was looking for a bookmark because the the bonus track, there are these eight song original songs that are designed after each theme of the eight chapters, but then they decided, I didn't know this was gonna happen, to do a bonus track. 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.119 And the bonus track is called Questions. 00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:02.239 And the beauty of that is that this whole book is architected around eight questions. 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:09.199 And so that that was uh you know a sacred innovation right there. 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:32.719 And so I've I've given out hundreds of these bookmarks to people in that bullseye zone of Gen Z and just said, hey, keep this by your bed and actually uh embed this in your phone, since you're on your phone a lot, um, because you'll go through different seasons where you'll be asking different questions. 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:43.519 And so I won't read all these, but uh since what we just heard from Jason and Josh, you know, what if it wasn't all on you back to that performance state? 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.440 Um what if you already are who you wish you were? 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.679 Again, back to identity. 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:56.079 Um what if your deepest wound is where God longs to bring your deepest healing? 00:41:56.559 --> 00:42:00.719 And I think about this book, it's just been translated this week into Ukrainian. 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:12.559 I think about all these trauma deluged kids who are losing parts of their family and parts of their bodies, uh complex trauma. 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.159 What if God longs to bring your deepest healing right there? 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:22.239 Uh uh what if God designed you specifically for friendship when you're feeling so lonely? 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:28.159 What uh what what about um when you think somebody else is getting more influences of you? 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:33.679 What if what if God uh Jesus designed you as you on purpose? 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:51.920 So I think this little bookmark, you guys back in Atlanta, you figured out how to make this bookmark work uh as an attachment or something, hard copy, and I I just think, man, we we need to keep those questions in mind because we'll go through different questions at different seasons, all of us. 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:59.920 And these questions are meant to say, we have some answers here from Jesus, from the scriptures. 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:01.119 Yeah. 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:03.199 Yeah. 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:05.119 I love it. 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:06.639 Yeah, y'all are awesome. 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:18.480 Um as we wrap up, Josh, Jason, anything you want to know that the people uh anything you want people to know as far as what you're working on or where they can follow you or keep up with you or anything like that. 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.199 Josh, can you play some music? 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:22.239 Play some of the music. 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:23.679 Give people a little glimpse. 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:24.239 Come on. 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:33.760 I don't know how to play the music in this like through these speakers or whatever, but you know, I'm sure can you sing it? 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.199 We can't really tease it yet. 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:36.159 We'll see. 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.119 I was in a room, I could play a video from my phone of you singing. 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:40.320 I didn't even know you could sing. 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.760 And I was in one of the writing rooms, and I'm like, what are you doing right now? 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.280 And he was just singing, it was beautiful. 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:46.639 I was like, that's what we learned. 00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:48.159 There's nothing Josh can't do. 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:49.760 That's what we've learned Josh can't do. 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:50.480 It is podcast. 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:51.519 Questions. 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.880 I want to talk about questions, the bonus track questions. 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:56.880 No one else get mad. 00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:58.639 It's definitely my favorite track. 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:00.559 You guys are all gonna love it. 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.159 Okay, okay. 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:22.559 Yeah, we're looking forward to it, and we will obviously let everybody know, at least in the True Face um family, when this is close to being out, when it's about we we we feel like we're close, but we're we also don't want to overpromise until we know we're we got a uh a release date in mind, and we'll obviously keep all of you updated. 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.960 And Josh and Jason, thank you so much for for joining us. 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.519 You guys, I guess you know, go out, Google them. 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.039 We'll include all the links to their stuff somewhere throughout this podcast. 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:33.519 That's right. 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.199 Can I just say people we're gonna invite people into the camp though? 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.320 We we had a film crew there filming and we got unbelievable content. 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:51.679 Intersquare social, uh dear friends of ours down here in Franklin, Tennessee, and we're gonna be coming out with content uh every week leading up to the launch of the album. 00:44:51.840 --> 00:45:01.519 So we're gonna invite you back into the thing we just spent an hour describing that sacred space with great coffee and great smoked salmon and incredible creative. 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.320 Um, people are gonna get a glimpse into those moments. 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:05.280 Yeah. 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:06.639 So good. 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:07.599 Can't wait. 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.280 I'm so looking forward to it. 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:14.400 Um, thank you all for your time and for being on this podcast and for all of you watching or listening. 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.400 I hope this has been encouraging to you. 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.719 And we'll see you at the next podcast.