התמלול המלא של Let’s OVERREACT! The Week 1 Rollercoaster | Episode 470

and thirty seven yards and two touchdowns. I think Bryce Young probably had his best statistical game as a pro by far. ⁓ I mean, he looked good too against that defense. ⁓ even like the Jets, like ⁓ they're not gonna be able to stop anybody. Like unless it's like Tennessee or Cleveland, like that that's really about it. So they're gonna have to they're they're gonna be in games where they're gonna have to put up forty points to win. Where where they're gonna need five, six, seven touchdowns just to even really be in the game, especially if they can't get a stop. I mean, 'cause they've got nobody on the back end, like the secondary was horrible. I mean the secondary was getting routed up all day, like Bryce Young just kind of picked them apart, you know, kinda ran around, was able to sit in the pocket at times and like they just looked god awful. ⁓ So I could definitely I could definitely see that happen. I mean in fifty nine week one, like you're certainly on pace. speaker-2: Way above pace, even. I mean, yo, Brandon just made a great point, a great component to this record, which is how bad their defense is. So if they're gonna have the ball back like I don't know, four times a quarter, you're gonna have the opportunity, like more than an opportunity to score. ⁓ I think I agree. I mean, especially with it being a seventeen game season, you get seventeen games, you subtract fifty nine off the six ⁓ six, which is the Denver Broncos record. So you got sixteen games and you got to average thirty-four a game. And I mean, I mentioned this in ⁓ the preseason talk. Most of their division, probably the Vikings are probably the exception here. Lions and and Packers don't have great defenses either. Lions at least don't have a good secondary. They got a decent defense talent wise, but they don't have a good secondary right now. So that could be four to five games that are in division that are just, you know, thirty point games for you. So yeah, I don't think that's an overreaction at all. They are definitely on pace. Had they, you know, went out and dropped twenty eight or thirty two, I might have said, Hey, that's an overreaction. But the fact that they went out and dropped fifty nine and then again to Brandon's point, Panthers went out and dropped what, thirty seven, was it? Thirty seven. And none of us are believers in the Panthers offense at all. I mean, yeah, the writing's on the wall there. They should if they're not gonna break the record, they're gonna come damn close, I believe. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: They also did that. They score fifty nine points and they didn't even really involve Luther Burden or Colston Loveland or Roma Dunze. They didn't even use their stars. They used DeAndre Swift and Caleb. That was like it. And somehow they got fifty speaker-0: And Kyle Manungai too. speaker-1: It breaks a long one. speaker-2: Yeah, it wasn't even an air attack. It wasn't even an air attack. It was pretty balanced and then it was a shootout. I mean, the Panthers were in that game most of the way too, until ⁓ the Bears got a turnover, I believe. They turned them over on downs. Then it was, you know, they ran away with it. But yeah, I can't wait. Every Bears game is gonna be must C T V and maybe a must bet the over in our case. So ⁓ yeah, who knows? Petty, you're go. speaker-0: So for mine, my week one overreaction is that the Bills are now the Super Bowl favorite. ⁓ they go into Houston. Houston's defense did not look as good as advertised. ⁓ granted, Buffalo's wasn't great either. David Montgomery had three touchdowns against them. ⁓ obviously, you know, it's week one. but this is an overreaction pod. ⁓ Buffalo's offense looked really good. The addition of DJ Moore looked great. The running game looked great. Josh Allen was making Josh Allen plays. ⁓ Dalton Kincaid even played relatively well. ⁓ I think he potentially might be a big factor for them this year. ⁓ so that's gonna be my overreaction for week one is that Buffalo is now officially the Super Bowl favorite after obviously we all know what happened to the Rams last Thursday in Australia. ⁓ chalk it up to whatever, whether it was, you know, the the the flight the day before or however long it was before or, you know, whatever. and the injuries as well too. ⁓ what do we what do we think about that one? speaker-1: I think this is an overreaction. ⁓ I don't think that they're the odds on favorite. I think there is a tier and they're probably in the tier maybe, but what I saw out of Buffalo is what we've seen for the last five years. A very competitive team that can win any football game that they're in. What I also saw out of Buffalo was exactly what we've seen for the last five years. The game winning touchdown, the play before that, ⁓ Josh Allen threw a pick. He just dropped it. And that's ex that's exactly who Josh Allen is, is he throws a he does a mistake that costs them the game. And in the playoffs, they will lose that game. He will catch that pick and then they won't have an opportunity to score. ⁓ so for that reason alone, I'm gonna say it's an overreaction. I do think the offense is gonna be as good, if not better, than it was last year. I love DJ Moore. I think that is a great addition. ⁓ and they just proved it against one of the best defenses in the league. So that's a great start. ⁓ Montgomery, three touchdowns is great, but he only averaged like three yards per carry. So they were actually pretty decent at shutting him down. It was just like a big fantasy day for him when you get eighteen points from touchdowns. ⁓ CJ Stroud made a lot of throws in that game. But when it comes to the Bills. I'm pumping the brakes. I'm just saying this is the same old Bills team that once they get to the playoffs, they will do something catastrophic that costs them the game. And they won't make it to the Super Bowl. So speaker-2: I'm gonna go over reaction as well. ⁓ but I I see your line of thinking here because the Houston Texans

normally have the Bills number and Josh Allen's number specifically. And like you pointed out, they handled the Texans defense. ⁓ but really, I mean, all these defenses that we thought were gonna be good, we could say this about the Denver Broncos, we could say this about multiple teams, Dallas Cowboys. We didn't think they're gonna be great, but ⁓ there was not many defenses that looked really good on Sunday or Monday. Or really the Seahawks stood out and I I thought that was more Drake Mae than it was the Seahawks defense. But of course the Seahawks defense is legit. But ⁓ I'm gonna say overreaction, not only because A it's week one, but there was a few other AFC opponents ⁓ that looked that looked really good on Sunday, namely the Ravens. ⁓ and then to Tim's point as well, I mean if C J Stroud throws a touchdown or, you know, whatever they do, gets him into O T, they take the lead there and win. Are we having the same conversation about the Bills? But I do agree with you. The Bills look outstanding. ⁓ especially if they can get a win against the Lions this week. We'll talk about that as well. But I mean, they're definitely one of the favorites, but I wouldn't say the odds on favorite yet. Yeah. But they could, with their schedule coming up, they absolutely could take that mantle. All right, my turn. Let's see. Where do I want to go here? All right, let's just start with Monday night. This could be the season from hell for the Denver Broncos. speaker-0: I'm gonna go over reaction. you know, I I think there's there's a lot of new pieces there, especially on offense. Like I mean it's you know, there's a couple they added Jonah Coleman in the backfield, obviously Jalen Waddle was the big addition. ⁓ you know, I think it's also one of those things that like, you know, it takes time to really like accommodate a lot of you know, a lot of new pieces. Like we even saw like Wednesday with AJ Brown. Like it took AJ Brown a while to get going before he got hurt. Really, he didn't even get going. ⁓ you know, there was a lot of guys that were added to teams that, you know, necessarily didn't have a great game. ⁓ the defense did look the defense I'm more concerned about the defense than the offense. ⁓ you know, we all probably thought that Denver was probably gonna be a top three defense. I personally chalk it up to just one of those divisional games. ⁓ and it doesn't help out that you open up. It was in Arrowhead, wasn't it? Yeah, it was in Arrowhead. So, I mean, that's the first game of the year. Arrowhead Monday night primetime. you know, Bo Nicks did look did look bad, but we've seen this before out of Denver. They g I if I'm not mistaken, I believe last year they jumped out of the gates pretty slow. I want to say Bo Nicks the first game or two. I think they might have I don't remember what the record was the first two games, but I remember vaguely he had a couple of speaker-2: It was speaker-0: couple of plays like he did last night. ⁓ not worried about

him though. I Sean Payton will get that team going. I know Sean Payton will get that offense going. ⁓ just mainly got to find a way to get Jalen Waddle involved. And and I really think it was more so a product of Kansas City's defense because Kansas City made a lot of additions to that defense. Took Mansword Delaney sixth overall out of L S U and you know made some other additions. They brought backarius Sneed. Like that's going to be a very good defense this year, especially on the back end. speaker-1: I agree with Brandon. ⁓ I think this was more a product of Chiefs in Arrowhead primetime game. Bo Nicks played a terrible game. Like that's it. Other than the touchdown pass, Bo Nicks was horrendous in this game. Every pass was off. ⁓ the Chiefs played a lot of man and they were just locking these receivers up all night long. There wasn't even windows to put the ball in. So ⁓ this is Bo Nicks. That's what he does, is he has bad games and then he'll come back and have decent games. ⁓ I've said this before on the pod. Bo Nicks is the worst quarterback when throwing on the run, and they throw on the run a lot. And it shows like they are a ton of incompletions on bootleg passes that don't need to be bootleg passes. ⁓ I will say I think this was more the Chiefs defense coming to play week one, shutting them down. I'm not too worried about the Broncos defense when you have a lot of punts and a lot of foreign outs or maybe a first down and then a punt. The Chiefs are gonna get those opportunities over and over and over again. Do I think that the opposing running back's gonna break a sixty yard touchdown run on you? ⁓ it shouldn't even have been a touchdown. You should have just pushed him out of bounds. Like I don't know how that safety failed to even secure Kenneth there. It didn't really make sense to me there, but ⁓ I'm not not super worried. I think they'll be okay. ⁓ I think the Chiefs are just better than we thought. Mm. I don't think I don't think a lot of people would have came in and said that they would have a great defense. I would say a lot of people would put ⁓ middle of the pack, maybe top twelve. ⁓ but they might have a great defense. They they caused turnovers, they were getting after ⁓ they were locking them up all night long. So they might just have a really good defense and that might be what it is. So I think it's a little bit of an overreaction. They'll figure it out. speaker-2: You guys are probably right. But the fact that they do return thirty one of their thirty three starters, the fact that for some reason Sean Payton gave over play calling to Davis Webb and it didn't look great in week one. But as Brandon said, you're getting Jalen Waddell acclimated and it is ultimately a divisional game. Weird stuff happens. I mean we just saw it in Minnesota and Green Bay. Green Bay had complete control of that game, then before you know it, until they didn't, right? So divisional games are always weird. It's week one, it's Mahomes comeback

game. speaker-0: So they did. speaker-2: But yeah, no, exactly like you said, man, I was not expecting Kansas City's defense to look that great. They played with a ton of energy. ⁓ the offense looked good in spurts, like definitely looked better than I thought already, but it also looked pretty stagnant at moments that I thought they would look like mostly last night. But I was surprised that Denver's defense came out kind of dead. They didn't play with the energy I thought they would. So maybe an overreaction, but they will have a first place schedule. That's a tough division. But it looks a little better that the Chargers lost to. So they might be okay. They got a little breathing room there. ⁓ Jimmy, go ahead. speaker-1: Raiders got that W though, they're third in their division now. So speaker-2: Did get the W. True. ⁓ speaker-1: ⁓ I'm actually audibling. I just came up with one on the fly. What you were talking about. I think this is a good one. So this will be the season of hell for the Green Bay Packers. I just wanna say let's start it with this whole drama with Josh Jacobs, and then this is how they start week one, after ending the season on the low note that they did last year. I think this very well could be that season. Take it away. speaker-0: Mm. Difficult 'cause I want to say overreaction, but at the same time I could definitely see it because that defense looked god awful. ⁓ and really that defense has hasn't been good unless Micah Parsons is on the field. ⁓ I don't think that's an overreaction. I don't I love I love their offense. Like I think they've got the capability to to keep up with teams. Jordan Love just makes bonehead plays. Like he just you see it time and time again, like he tries to be Superman, like he's out there throwing off his back foot, he's, you know, changing up arm angles, like You know, he he's got the arm talent to make a lot of those throws. ⁓ but a lot of them sometimes lead to stupid decisions, but it's more so the defense. I mean, that defense like Carson Wentz comes in and granted it's Justin Jefferson, but Minnesota then proceeded to just shred Green Bay, you know, and like the running game was it it wasn't super efficient, but it was good enough to move the sticks, like it was good enough to keep the defense honest. ⁓ And Green Bay had no running game either. Marshawn Lloyd was god awful. ⁓ Chris Brooks, god awful. Marshawn Lloyd probably shouldn't be a even a third down run or a third string running back in the NFL. ⁓ it's gonna be a h pass heavy team. I wouldn't be surprised if this is like a if we're looking at like a sixty five, thirty five pass heavy team and teams are just gonna start dropping two safeties back and and dropping eight back and saying, Hey, we dare you to run it at us. ⁓ but I don't think they're going to be able to. So I'm I I definitely am concerned with ⁓ with Green Bay because Minnesota's defense, they've got players, but they blitz a lot. Brian Flores is is primarily a blitzer. And other teams in the NFL are seeing that and they're saying, hey, you know, all we got to do is blitz this guy. All we got to do is blitz him, force him into making bad throws, and then, you know, see if we can get our hands on the ball. So I I definitely, after seeing that, I'm definitely concerned about. speaker-2: proper reaction. ⁓ that was actually gonna be one of my backup ⁓ statements as well. ⁓ I already had the Green Bay Packers coming in last in the NFC North for a lot of the reasons both of you just named ⁓ no Josh Jacobs for who knows how long. ⁓ and if we can do this NBA style if we're just talking talent between the four teams in the NFC North, the Packers by far have the least amount of talent, especially when you take away Josh Jacobs. ⁓ they could not block any of those blitzes that Flores dialed up, especially in the second half. So the offensive line's poor. You've really only got Jordan Love and the group of receivers to like there. ⁓ you know, we just mentioned the Vikings and their blitzing. The Detroit Lions, like I said, their secondary is not great. They'll be able to pressure the quarterback. Okay. ⁓ the Bears, all they need is one turnover, and you might be cooked in the case of the Green Bay Packers. So I don't know, man. If the defense isn't there, how are you gonna stay in these games? You're gonna ask Jordan Love to play hero ball, and that's not a good recipe in the toughest division in the entire NFL. ⁓ I believe they played the Jets this week. So that could be a bounce back game or could be more of the same 'cause Aaron Glenn can coach defense. I mean, they played the Titans, whatever. We'll see. They're trying to win. They got a better roster. They'll at least be able to like compete with the Packers for a little bit in that game. So Weirdly, gre ⁓ game two, week two will tell us a lot about the Green Bay Packers, but I think that's a proper reaction. Would not be surprised at all to see Matt LaFleur fired at the end of this year. I mean, it's it's it's already off to a a bad start. The only saving grace I would say is the same thing we just said in the last statement, divisional game, weird things happen. But it looks like an omen to like what the future weeks will look like. speaker-0: I got a good one for y'all. ⁓ the Giants will win the NFC East. speaker-2: Yeah, that's a great one. That's a great one. Take it away, Timmy. speaker-0: Go ahead, Jimmy. Yeah. speaker-1: That's a proper reaction right there. They might win the NFC this year. Nah, that's an overreaction. ⁓ I think they could. I really do. I mean if the if the Cowboys defense is gonna play like that, then they're at least a better team than the Cowboys. I'd say they're a little bit better than Washington. I think they got ⁓ on talent for sure. Coaching for sure. The Eagles are the team, they're like the Giants kryptonite. And they got the win last year, so maybe Maybe they're getting used to it. I could hundred percent see them winning

this division. But being a Giants fan, I'm not gonna overreact to week one. ⁓ last time I think they won their week one game was the year they went to the playoffs ⁓ against the Titans. I remember that. So yeah, I think it's I think it's a proper reaction just because the Eagles didn't look great, the Washington Commanders didn't look great, Dallas looked bad on defense, offense looked a little sluggish. But then the Giants kinda look good on both sides. ⁓ so Yeah, there i there really is. ⁓ and they're not even necessarily at full strength. Like once Malik is a hundred percent ready to go, he will be a monster for them. So loved the addition. I think Isaiah Likely wasn't a huge fan of the signing when it happened, but he looked really good. Looked like a feature role and they're gonna target him a lot in the red zone. So I think that that's a great addition for them. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. Scatterbow looked good. ⁓ Scattabow looked really good. you could definitely tell the CTE was strong within that one. ⁓ like you said, likely look good. Malik Neighbors, I mean, he still looked good for him, you know, not being quote unquote a hundred percent. ⁓ obviously too, I mean, the defense looked really good. I mean, CeeDee Lamb, I think, had forty five receiving yards and a touchdown. I think George Pickens had like twenty five or thirty. ⁓ You know, Dak was kinda like pressured all night, like Dak had a bad game. And really too, I mean, the biggest takeaway for was Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart looked poised in the pocket. Jackson Dart to me played like he did at Ole Miss his his last year at Ole Miss. I saw a lot of like what what I saw on the field, like especially, you know, watching the SEC and and watching college football every Saturday. He looked just like he did at Ole Miss for at least two years. I mean, was g was getting to his spots, making the right reads, like making good passes. You wasn't making bad decisions. speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ speaker-0: Not taking a hit. Like look look look like a look like a f like a franchise quarterback. I was I was pleasantly surprised. I I 'cause I didn't watch majority of the game and I I turned it on and I was like, Holy shit, New York's winning. speaker-2: First of all, Cam Scattaboo showed up. Pre-game fit. I've seen that fit like on Main Street Newport, ⁓ Church Street Burlington before. Like that was a wild fit to show up in. Granted, it was Jackson Dart's ⁓ college jersey or high school jersey or something like that too. But the fit like with the jean shorts, he had the jorts going, baggy jorts, that was an insane fit. ⁓ first of all, agree with everything Brandon just said about Jackson Dart. That was my biggest takeaway of the entire game. Aside from the Cowboys defense, I could not believe how Calm in the pocket he looked, how mature he looked. He looked like a completely different quarterback than year one. That shocked the hell out of me. ⁓ The Giants showed why they're such a live underdog, not only in every game there'll be an underdog in, but in that division with the fact that all the talent came together. They did whatever they wanted on offense, which is more of a product of the Cowboys defense because the Giants were just toying with them, running the same plays over and over. Overreaction though. I'm gonna go over reaction. As impressed as I was with Jackson Dart, we saw with Cam, like he only plays one way. Right? Cam Scott, he's gonna get injured, which is fine. They've got depth, but like he's gonna get injured and I kind of feel the same way about Jackson Dart. Like you are who you are at the end of the day. I don't know if this leap is for real. I don't know how much that calm demeanor will be the case against like the Philly defense or even maybe the commander's defense, which look kind of strong. on ⁓ on Sunday. ⁓ in general they're gonna play tough defenses. I don't know if Jackson Dart will look quite like that every Sunday. So I'm gonna say overreaction, but there is reason for that reaction because they definitely looked impressive. They looked well coached and Harbaugh's definitely gonna do his thing with this roster. speaker-1: Big shout out to ⁓ Patrick Ricard. ⁓ big addition. If you go look at Cam Scadaboo's touchdown run, just watch Ricard on that play, 'cause it's he does that on every single play, man. He sets the edge, he seals, he'll just blow people up. ⁓ they're gonna use him a ton this year and it's gonna s it's gonna work really, really well. speaker-0: Helps when you're three hundred pounds at full back. And you play defensive tackle as well too. speaker-2: True that, true that. Y'all ready for this one? Los Angeles Rams are in trouble. speaker-0: Overreaction. That's my Super Bowl pick. ⁓ I'm not worried about Miles Garrett. It it it was really just a clean up procedure, like it was nothing major. I s a lot of people kind of overreacted to it, especially on Twitter. ⁓ not worried about it, not worried about the offense. ⁓ you know, they could s they like people forget that that before Miles Garrett even came there, they had two competent edge rushers. Like they still had guys that put up double digits double double digit sacks last year. Like, yeah, San Francisco looked great. But I really do like I think it was a byproduct of them flying whatever it was, twenty four, thirty-six hours beforehand. Like for anybody that flies overseas, like if you've flown overseas before, even it's if it's to the UK or, you know, wherever, that jet lag is it's with you for two or three days. Like it's it it's a it's a very real thing. And for athletes like that, I'm quite sure it's even worse. You know, because the average person, we're not doing The things that they have to do. We're not we're not ninety percent of us aren't putting our bodies in strenuous activities or anything like that like they are. ⁓ I mean we've seen it from the Rams before, they've gotten off to a slow start. ⁓ I'm really not concerned at all. I think the

offense will get going. I'm not concerned about Stafford, I'm not concerned about the running game. ⁓ I just think they did the stupidest thing possible. I I think they should have gone over there the same time the San Francisco forty Niners did. ⁓ but I mean McFay clearly got out coached, ⁓ but I'm not worried about him. speaker-2: Real quick before Tim goes, the way you phrase that, I'm assuming you've you've flown overseas before. Yeah. I have not. So let me ask you this there's people that are saying because they're the 49ers flew over a week before, that it's gonna affect them later on in the season, that it's gonna take them longer to acclimate back to the United States time zone. ⁓ how do you th do you think that between that, this is a two part question 49ers going over a week over, then coming back, long time to acclimate, may or may not. With the Rams, though, they went over, as we talked about, forty eight, thirty-six hours before, landed, played the game, looked like shit, and then flew immediately back. Do you see any residuals from that being two quick turnarounds going back and forth? So two part question about the forty niners in the Rams travel from your experience. speaker-0: So for me, I d I when I flew overseas, I was overseas for f five weeks, five and a half weeks. you definitely like I felt it took me about about two good weeks to get acclimated. ⁓ and I mean y'all know if you go if if you even go into a different time zone by two or three hours, like it takes you a while it takes you typically a day or two to get acclimated to that. Even something as small as going from eastern to mountain or Pacific, anything like that. Like you're going a whole What's that fuck? Twenty-four hours, damn near, thirty hours. ⁓ like it does. It it sits with you for about two or three weeks. ⁓ like it it it takes you a while to get acclimated to that. Now I will say coming back, coming back wasn't as much. It took me a couple of days to get acclimated and really just kind of like get back into a group of things. Typically, in my experience, I had never flown into a different time zone like that and then flown back within three or four days. I don't know so much about that. I would have to say it probably isn't as difficult because you're kind of giving your body it's kind of like a quick change for your body. Like it's like sudden change. Like, okay, like we just flew 20 hours ahead, then it's like, okay, boom, we're already back. Like I didn't give my body enough time to get adjusted to that time zone to, you know, to catching up on rest, stuff like that. So then when I get back, like I can get back into my regular routine. And then I can really focus on saying, okay, hey, I need to catch up on sleep or like, hey, I need to do this or do that, or like, you know, reset my You know, reset my schedule, reset, you know, whatever it may be. ⁓ but I mean that definitely is a thing. Like that which I think that was stupid from the get go. I mean, because there's no way there there's absolutely no way in hell that that team and that coaching staff felt anything close to being halfway decent. Like there was no way they got any resemblance of that. Like I can guarantee you that whole team was fucking tired. ⁓ it really just probably out of the loop, because that kind of is what it feels like. Like you're Wouldn't say you're necessarily in a daze, but you're more so it's like you're you're kind of delayed with everything, like it takes you longer to process stuff and like your body really kind of goes into shock and is kinda like, Holy shit, like you know, like what's going on here? ⁓ I I really do think I think that had ninety percent plus to do with it. ⁓ had they would have gone over a week or two earlier, like San Francisco did, I think it would have been a different a different ball game. And as far as San Francisco, like It'll be the same thing going back. It won't be as long. I don't really think there's gonna be a hang up for them though. Like I said, it typically it takes two, three days whenever you get back because you're it you're going back to something that you're used to. You know, your body's more you know, more used to, you know, or acclimated whatever for the time zone over here and and and for that sort of lifestyle change again. ⁓ so I'm not really too concerned about San Francisco. ⁓ If anything, I wouldn't think it would affect them in the long term. It it would just be in the short term. Really just like rest and stuff like that. speaker-2: Okay. speaker-1: Yeah, I think Los Angeles might be affected by it this 'cause they play Thursday. So they have about a week, right? They play the Giants Thursday. Is that speaker-0: Take a so yeah, eleven days, yeah. speaker-2: I they find one of the name. speaker-1: ⁓ then that makes sense. If it's Monday, it makes a little bit more sense. They should be fine. ⁓ they they said they did research. They said that they sent somebody over here a bunch of times, a dozen times they sent somebody over there ⁓ over the course of two years, and they decided that the best way to do it was this way. And it was clearly not the case. ⁓ I think this is a little bit of an overreaction. I think ⁓ we might see some some lowered expectations because we don't know when Aaron Donald's gonna start. We don't know when necessarily Miles is coming back. They said it's likely four weeks, but it could be more. So do I think that they're like an undefeated thirteen, fourteen win team? Probably not. ⁓ but then again Sam Darnold is hurt so their the whole division has kind of slowed down a little bit. The Cardinals aren't really a a threat. And then the forty niners they look damn good when they're healthy. So ⁓ I think this is mainly just forty niners capitalizing. doing what was right, heading down a week early, ready for the game. ⁓ and they were fully healthy. So they were ready to take advantage of all those those missed cues and everything. So ⁓ I'll say

it's an overreaction. They'll be fine. They'll still be a double digit win team. Yeah. Ask me again in a month. Then we'll know. speaker-2: So before we move on to the next round, the reason why I'm a little worried about the Rams, obviously the travel. ⁓ and by the way, I mentioned this on the Friday pod when I did the NFL picks. The fact that they did send people over for two years, I'm like, I don't know about y'all, but I've heard that they randomly That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I've heard that it's all been computerized. This was before AI, that the NFL schedule was computerized, it was random, no one actually selected the games. speaker-1: But they know. speaker-2: They selected the primetime games. They didn't actually select the matchups and when they were. But the Rams knew about this for two years. ⁓ the reason why I'm a little worried about the Rams, though, I mean we just talked about the Giants. That's a smash mouth football team. That's one thing we can say for sure, is that they are gonna run the ball. They're gonna be physical. ⁓ by the way, I didn't even mention Isaiah looked Isaiah likely looked great in that game, by the way, too. ⁓ that's gonna be a tough matchup coming off. speaker-0: Yeah, come on. speaker-2: that Australia game, even though it is eleven games tackling me, so they probably will be okay. But I mean, when you got teams like the Texans and the Broncos where they have elite defenses and they didn't look ready to play, now you got the Rams without Miles Garrett coming in, which like you said, they've they've still got a really good defense with talent, even without Miles Garrett. But man, if they get behind the Giants and the Giants start off two and ⁓ and the Rams start off ⁓ and two in that division, I don't know. I mean, like y'all said though, the saving grace there is ⁓ Sam Darnold being out. But ⁓ I got a good one for you. I'm just gonna say it right now. I meant to put this in the group chat jokingly. What if Drew Locke assumes the position? What if he takes over the quarterback position, wins the Super Bowl, and then we have a the weirdest quarterback battle in next year's training camp coming off back to back Super Bowl wins? That'd be wild. speaker-1: Sam Darnold getting out Sam Darnolded speaker-0: Jesus. By Drew Locke. speaker-2: That would be wild. That would be wild. speaker-1: It was the second stint in Seattle that made Drew Locke a superhero. I actually thought Drew Locke looked pretty damn good in that game. Apart from the first two drives, all of his jitters got, you know, flushed out. He looked calm. He started making throws. So he actually did look pretty good. I think he'll be fine. Seattle will be fine. speaker-0: Right back. speaker-2: I agree. I agree. ⁓ Tim, your turn. Just the two of us. speaker-1: Just the two of us. ⁓ I had said this a few weeks ago. Keenan Keenan had posed a question, I believe it was Keenan, and it was start bench cut, young QB editions. It was Tyler Shuck, Jackson Dart, Cam Ward. And in that conversation, I said that I actually want to cut Cam Ward because I think Cam Ward is a bust. Yeah. And after he played like that, Cam Ward is a bust. speaker-2: What do you think of his ⁓ what do you think of his little ⁓ I mean, it was a good play action if he meant to do that, where he lateral the ball to himself and took off? Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah and then got a one yard loss. speaker-0: Ha ha. speaker-1: He looked he looked bad. He looked like he played in the preseason and that was terrible. So I'm already on it. I he's a bust. Absolutely. speaker-0: I'm gonna say overreaction. ⁓ and unfortunately the only reason that I'm doing this is because I believe in the talent of Cam Ward. ⁓ I will say he's on the clock. Even though yes, it's year two. Okay, it's on the clock. ⁓ you know, I I I kinda wanna believe this is like a Trevor Lawrence thing. I I kinda wanna believe that's gonna be one of those things. It took Trevor about three to three and a half years really to to kind of start showing a why he was drafted at number one. ⁓ you had the Urban Meyer year, you had that year one. That was a horrible coaching staff. Brian Callahan was not much better than Urban Meyer. That staff is horrible. ⁓ you know, you got a rookie receiver out there. Like it it takes rookies generally about six to ten weeks to acclimate to the NFL. And then obviously we see what happens with the good ones. The good ones have the second half breakouts, ⁓ you know, where they really pop off and and make their presence felt. ⁓ I mean, it doesn't look good at the same time, like they have no running game. Both of their running backs god awful. Tony Pollard's pushing thirty. Tajay Spears is a third down specialist at this point. ⁓ like it's really just Carnell Tate and Wandale Robinson. ⁓ I didn't love the play calling. I don't love the system that Cam Ward's in. ⁓ I think they need to gravitate more towards like a West Coast style offense. ⁓ and when I say West Coast, like kind of like a LA Rams. style thing and really simplify the offense down. Say, hey, here's your first read, here's your second read. You know, if not, take off run. You know, whatever. Like I said, it yeah, a lot of play action. Like let him get on the move, stuff like that. Like let him do things that he did at Miami. And, you know, like like I said, I I I think it for me it's too early for me to call him a bust. ⁓ like I said, I'm I'm kind of comparing this to like a Trevor Lawrence situation. ⁓ you know, where hey it might take the third year. Like I don't think this I don't really think it matters who you have at quarterback. I don't think Tennessee's gonna be competitive regardless. Doesn't matter if you throw Drake May out there, Caleb Williams out there, like that team's not going to be competitive. They just they don't have the pieces to do it. so I'm willing I'm willing to give them some more time. I I'm kinda hoping that he gets better as the year

goes on. speaker-2: I'm sh surprisingly gonna say an overreaction. ⁓ you're going from Brian Callahan to Robert Sala. And really the key here is Brian Dable, because Sala's really gonna be on the defense. They brought in Dable to, you know, control the offense. Dable got he brought good things out of Daniel Jones, which Daniel Jones also has been successful in Indiana or Indianapolis. ⁓ Cam Ward probably a little more polished than when Josh Allen came in. And that's what Brian Dable's claim to fame was was like really refining Josh Allen's game. ⁓ but I'm gonna go with semantics here too. Bust, sure, but like I didn't he was like the number one pick by like by happenstance almost. Like he wasn't the best player in that draft. So I don't he really have hype around him. I mean, before the draft, we're talking about him versus Shador and we know where Shador ended up. So ⁓ and everyone's saying that if this was like a normal NFL draft, Cam Ward would probably be like the fourth Q B picked. So bust by number one pick standards, probably. But bust in general, no, I still have Cam Wardstock. I think if it doesn't work out in Tennessee, he'll end up somewhere and probably be somewhat successful. Like there's worse Q Bs doing better than him in the league as far as like just base talent. So I'll still keep a little Cam Wardstock, even though I don't think the Titans are gonna look good. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one and done for Salah, which that could also be an overreaction, but I wouldn't be surprised at all. So ⁓ I think it's both a proper reaction and overreaction, but I'll lean towards overreaction. speaker-1: I think one thing with Cam Ward is when you look at all the other number one picks, even Bryce Young, you will see like a drive or a play or a throw where you're like, Wow, that's a number one overall pick. We see it with Caleb Williams, right? Making a falling throw to win a football game fifty yards downfield for a touchdown. And we see it with Bryce Young playing against the Rams last year in the playoffs. He looked like a number one overall pick. And there's never been a moment with Cam Ward where I've been like, Wow, that was impressive. Ever. I don't think I've ever seen a play where I've ever uttered those words from Cam Ward. But I have uttered Wow, he looks like dog shit so many times when watching speaker-0: I've seen a couple of plays. I've seen a couple of plays where I'm like all right, like he's got the arm talent. speaker-1: Well yeah, it's like a deep pass or something, but like it's just not there. Not for me. I think it's speaker-2: I would say you made your own point though, because the example you used was Bryce Young. And I can say from experience, if we went back in the archives and went to like October of last year, there would be a record of all of us being like, man, I don't know if Bryce Young has it. I mean, the the Panthers and Bryce Young looked god awful through half the season ⁓ last year, and they still made the playoffs. So I think there's moments where Cam Ward looks more impressive than Bryce Young, whereas Bryce Young's got the poise. And shit, the the Bears defense made Bryce Young look pretty good last Sunday. I don't know. I think there's still hope for Cam. I mean, I think I think he got a sh yeah. I mean, I think he got a shitty lay of the land by getting picked number one anyway. If we he was picked number eight, I don't think we'd really be having this conversation, but speaker-0: He unfortunately was in a weak draft. Yeah. Everybody that followed any draft analyst, whatever, you know, a lot of people knew that he was more so of a project quarterback. Like more so, you know, like honestly, he should have gone to a situation where he could have sat down for a year, like a Raider situation, to sit behind a Kirk Cousins, sit behind a a veteran. Like and like I said, why I compare it to the Trevor situation, like Sometimes that happens where you get into a a bad situation with a horrible head coach and it just stunts your growth. And sometimes it takes the right part. And I don't know if Brian Dable's the right person. I I don't think that Robert Salah is is the right coach for them at all. ⁓ I thought they should have hired, you know, a young and upcoming coordinator. ⁓ instead of going with a I guess a proven coach, but he really didn't prove anything as a head coach his last stint. ⁓ I just I'm will like I said, I'm willing to give him until mid season. If he's still doing the things these things come mid season, then I think yeah, okay, like you know, that's certainly a conversation to have, but I'm willing to give speaker-2: All right, Patty, your turn. speaker-0: All right, so for mine, Kyle, you kinda hinted to this earlier. This is actually one of mine and y you went into it, but typically for the NFC North, you know, we're used to three out of four, you know, sometimes four out of the four teams having a good defense. ⁓ that's not gonna happen this year. ⁓ the NFC North is gonna be an offensive driven dis ⁓ division and I think cumulatively, ⁓ between all the teams, probably could be the highest corn division in football this year. I don't think there's going to be any defense. Like you said, you know, a lot of these games are probably going to be shootouts. ⁓ judging off what we saw. Grey Bay doesn't have a good defense. Minnesota just blitzes a lot. Chicago doesn't have a good defense. Detroit couldn't stop Chris Olavny and Juwan Johnson, you know. So ⁓ I think this is probably gonna be the most entertaining division, probably overall, because I think we're gonna have shootouts and track beats. speaker-2: Sign me up. speaker-1: Detroit versus Chicago is gonna be like a one hundred point overunder. I pretty much agree. I do think that this is a decent reaction. I think Green Bay will get Micah back and that will help a little, but it's not gonna fix their defense. I think Minnesota has the best defense out of the bunch,

and they just lack star talent. It's all just role players that are getting, you know, overcoached by By Flores there. Their defense is always solid. I think the issue is I don't trust Minnesota's offense to go into like a real shootout. Like they scored a lot of points this weekend. ⁓ but I think in a situation where Chicago drops forty on you, I don't think Minnesota keeps up with that. So ⁓ but I do agree, I think this will probably be the highest scoring division in football. I think this will probably be mostly offense. Like every week we're just gonna see highlight plays, highlight reels all game long. NFL red zone. Yeah, exactly. It's gonna go NFL red zone and then they're gonna break and then they're gonna have to break back to NFL red zone because another big play just happened. Wait, before you finish that play, we're just gonna roll it into the next play, which is a kick return touchdown. ⁓ speaker-0: Mm-hmm. Like hold on, we're going back to the same game. speaker-2: No joke. On the Ray matchups, it's gonna be them flashing between the Bears game and then whoever the Lions are playing. Like they 'cause the Lions get a lot of dome games, so it there's gonna be a lot of Sundays where it's just gonna be back and forth. ⁓ proper reaction. ⁓ I am gonna disagree with Tim though on the Vikings, like if the Bears can make Bryce Young look like that, there's no reason why Carson Wentz slash Kyler Murray couldn't look like that against the Bears or the Lions. Though I do think the Lions are eventually gonna round into shape. ⁓ Yeah, man, there's gonna be a lot of points. I I don't really got much to add. You got again, you have three capable quarterbacks for sure in Jordan Love, ⁓ Caleb Williams, and Jared Goff, and then possibly two more in Carson Wentz and Kyler Murray. That's an insane statement I just made. But ⁓ I mean, yeah, the Vikings are gonna be competitive at the least and we'll be able to put up points just by the talent that they have. And if Carson Wentz, if he's gonna get you know, I assume he's gonna get two or three more starts here, and then Kyler maybe comes back. He's gonna turn the ball over, but if he can push the ball downfield and hit Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and, you know, keep a decent run game going, yeah, they're gonna be able to at least put like twenty-four up on you a week, and that's that's good enough. And if Kyler works any better than that, yeah, man, the Vikings are gonna continue to be dangerous. They just won't die. No matter no matter what era we're in, no matter what QB they have, they will never die. They're always competitive. speaker-0: They can do with Josh Dobbs, they can do it with anybody else. And I think too like Kyler, I feel bad for him. He he like he threw that pick, he just wasn't able to get into a rhythm. And then that play happens. We've all seen it. You know, they said he got knocked out, all that sort of stuff. Like I feel bad for him. And then of course Carson Witz goes out and then really just executes the offense. But then again, when you have Justin Jefferson, all three of us could go out there and probably play quarterback and and toss the rock to to Jed is. speaker-2: Shit, true. True. True. True that. ⁓ that looked like it could have been damn near career ending for Kyler. It thankfully he walked off and, you know, hopefully he comes back. I want to see what this looks like, this offense looks like with him. So I assume even if Carson Wentz looks good, they're gonna give Kyler another shot. ⁓ I hope anyway. speaker-0: That was bad. speaker-2: ⁓ let's see. I got a couple here we could go with. This is actually already gonna be nine. ⁓ so if you guys want to go for another round and go twelve, we have the time to do so. Okay. All right, we'll go twelve after this then. So I'll go with we'll go back to the NFC East. Cowboys are frauds. speaker-0: Yeah, I got one more. Not an overreaction. Sorry to upper speaker-1: Proper reaction. speaker-0: ⁓ I was shocked whenever you said it was the Cowboys year. I didn't buy it. I'm still not buying it. I don't care how many people they add to that defense. That defense is gonna get exposed all year long. ⁓ they got some good players. I think overall it's not a good defense. ⁓ and I think that offense is for the talent that they have, they're too damn streaky on offense. I I d I don't get it. Like I I don't see how you go out there and you struggle to put up twenty one points when you've got CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, Jake Ferguson, Javante Williams. You got a good offensive line. You got a so-called franchise quarterback in Dakota Prescott. ⁓ yet you go out there and struggle to throw up twenty one points like consistently. I don't give a flying fuck if it's a division game or if you're playing against a fucking I don't care. I don't care who you're playing against. Yeah. Like Pisses me off and the Cowboys fans are like, ⁓ yeah, Wuda Boys, we the boys, y'all ain't shit. Shut up and sit down. Ain't winning shit. They're frogs. speaker-2: Southern Brandon came out. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Tired of hearing that shit, man. Boo'dem boys, weedem boys, y'all ain't shit. You ain't them damn boys. Start calling ⁓ the cowgirls. That's what they play like. speaker-1: Ha ha ha. speaker-2: Timmy, what you got? speaker-1: Yeah, they're frauds. A hundred percent. ⁓ team, bunch of talent offensively. They had some pieces defensively. Cincinnati added pieces defensively and they moved in the right direction. Dallas did not. ⁓ they i i it might be not necessarily just a personnel issue. You had brought up earlier about how the Giants ran like the same play a bunch of times in the same drive. That's a defensive coordinator problem if he's not seeing that and saying, Hey, maybe we need to move this guy over here to just just just in case they're crazy enough to run it a fourth time in a row, we might have a guy over there. ⁓ they just got manhandled man. And maybe that is just a product

of what the Giants are gonna do on f on on Sundays, but they're not gonna win games playing like that. They're like Even getting in shootouts, the offense didn't look that good to be honest with you. So and then on top of all that, they score, they cut the lead to one, and Javante gets a taunting penalty that forces them to kick a long point extra point and miss and now all of a sudden the like that's just dumb. That's the stupidest that makes me so mad when you see something like that and it it directly affects the the extra point. ⁓ so yeah, I think poorly coached, a hundred percent. ⁓ they'll be fine like they'll have good games. C D's gonna do his thing, George's gonna do his thing, Javante's gonna do his thing. But when it comes to the big games, they're gonna fail. Absolutely. Which is why I thought you were crazy for taking a shot live on the pod. that was a little crazy. ⁓ But yeah. I I believed in them prior to the season and I already just don't want to believe in them. It's it's gonna take a lot to get me back in on them being a playoff team. speaker-2: Yeah, so both of y'all mentioned the shot I took for the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl. ⁓ it feels like that was a while ago, but that was just last Sunday. And then I led with this and then I just led with the statement, Are the Cowboys frauds or the Cowboys are frauds? ⁓ speaker-1: Spoken like a true Cowboys fan. speaker-2: Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah. Overreacting each way. That is a true Cowboys fan right there. Maybe I'm a closet Cowboys fan, I don't know. But I'll say I'll say this. I do not like how soft the defense looked. ⁓ on those swing passes in particular, the fact that they could not summon any energy to get to the ball and gang tackle, like that's concerning, especially when you look at granted small sample size and granted the two I'll take the two teams speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. speaker-2: With a grain of salt. The Eagles and Commanders look exactly like every other Eagles and Commanders game. Like the Eagles didn't change at all. Maybe we'll talk about them. Maybe we won't. I can't imagine that same Cowboys defense being able to keep up in those type of games. Maybe they'll put the pressure offensive wise, and then, you know, maybe the commanders and Eagles wouldn't be able to score with them. But the Giants could absolutely play that slog of a game with the Eagles and the Commanders and hold their own on defense. This version of the Cowboys doesn't look like it could. That being said, There was a lot of turnover on defense, coaching and personnel. So I'm willing to give it a few weeks, but man, did it look ugly on Sunday night. Like it it couldn't have looked more awful on Sunday night. And the offense I'm obviously not worried about. They'll be there. But ⁓ whereas the Bengals, Bengals didn't have as much turnover on their defense. I don't know if we're gonna talk about them, but I had a lot of thoughts on their defense. Mainly because yes, they created turnovers and they looked like they played with a lot of energy. He also gave up a lot of yards and I thought the Bucks easily could have won that game too. ⁓ they kinda had some unforced errors as well. So but that's a conversation maybe for another day, maybe on Friday. Unless y'all got Bengals topics, but we'll see. speaker-1: Honorable mention to Patrick Mahomes never tearing his ACL. I am starting to really believe that he did not actually tear his ACL last year, and they were just lying to us because he looked fine. speaker-2: That's real conspiracy theory? Like that's out there? speaker-1: Yeah. There was like somebody had said like, ⁓ well, maybe he just tweaked it and they said he tore it so that they didn't have to play him for the last month. They could get a worse pick, get a better worse record, get a better pick, yada yada yada. Nobody turns around an ACL and was it MCL? There was another ligament in there this quickly and plays perfectly fine, even runs the damn football in for a touchdown. Ran a lot. Like he like he never lost a step. That doesn't happen. ⁓ so either modern medicine is too good or he didn't actually fuck up his knee last year. But that's just an honorable mention. The real one is ⁓ the Arizona Cardinals should trade Marvin Harrison right now because they don't need him on their football team. speaker-0: Not an overreaction. Get him off that fucking team. Yep. He's too good. He is too good. They're wasting him away right now. He is too damn good. He's too damn good to be on that team. Three started. They're out there giving fucking Kendrick I saw speaker-1: Tennessee. I'm sorry. speaker-2: I see. It's the last place we want Marvin Eric. speaker-1: You could prove if if Cam Ward is a bust or not. If he gets Marvin Harrison and all the pieces that they added there and he still sucks, then he's a bust. Hundred percent. Send him to tether. So speaker-0: bought Sunday ticket on Sunday. Okay. I got a crazy deal on it. It was like twenty four bucks a month for for military. So we turn on that game. I look and and I'm like, you know what? I'm like, I look, I'm like, damn, I'm like, Arizona's winning that game. I'm like, let me look at the box score because surely somebody's going off. And I look and Kendrick fucking Bourne has eight catches and ninety yards. They're using Kendrick Bourne over Marvin Harrison Jr., a guy that you took in the top five. Like A guy who's a very good receiver does everything and yet they just refuse to give him the ball. And it just it pisses me off so much. Because then what happens is people start talking, they're like, ⁓ he's a bust, or you know, or like Arizona's not happy with Marvin Harrison. I'm like sh the f like you don't even feature the dude. Like they should I agree, they should trade him to a team that actually will use him because it it makes me so mad. And you know what? They're gonna do the same thing with Jeremiah Love. Cause Tyler Algier was way too involved. speaker-1: They're actively

doing the exact same thing with Jeremiah Love. The only thing I can think of is this is like some twelve D chess thing where they're like, Yeah, let's draft Marvin Harrison top five so that teams think we're gonna throw it to him and then we'll just throw it to Michael Wilson and Trey McBride all day long. Because what the hell is Kendrick Bourne, who had one good game last year in San Francisco, like just being a stud week one against the Chargers? speaker-0: Literally. A featured option at that too. Like a go to guy on the offense. Like what are we doing? speaker-1: Harrison had one catch in this game. Like that's unacceptable, especially when you just hired an offensive minded head coach. Like you would think that they try to get him featured. When it comes to Arizona, their number one target is Trey McBride. That's it. Michael Wilson and I guess Kendrick Bourne can be their two and their three. Jeremiah Love should be the one, but they'll fifty fifty him with Algier. Get Marvin Harrison out of here and the team does not skip a beat. They don't miss anything. He's already missing from the team and he's playing the snaps. speaker-0: He's out there. speaker-1: Should. Yeah, absolutely. Send ⁓ to the Colts. speaker-2: That's not a bad place for him to go. I will say you guys like kind of just outlined why he could be a bust. The fact that he can't get run over multiple iterations of this offense. ⁓ that'd be interesting. Like you mentioned Tennessee. Like that'd be like double bust watch with him and ⁓ with him and Cam Ward. You'd be like, all right, something's gonna give here. he is one of the most properly hyped wide receiver prospects I've ever seen. Like, I think like what I read when he was coming out, like. Is that he doesn't start routes off the like the right way, like maybe like he doesn't start off routes strong. Like that's the only weakness I saw about him. Like everything else was like he is almost a perfect wide receiver prospect. ⁓ and the fact that he has maybe what? Like I wanna call him signature games, but like two maybe great games. It seems like it's one a year. ⁓ he had one particular speaker-0: Two or three last year and that was it. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. He just has games here and there. I I do think like you asked this question I think on Shot Sipper Piss, I don't know if it was last week or two weeks ago, but you had a Marvin Harrison Junior centric question and I said like I think he'll eventually pop, but on a different team, not on the Cardinals. I don't know if that means he'll be like a perennial pro bowler or perennial all pro, but I do think you'll have moments eventually in this league with a different QB and a different offense. And maybe it just will never pop for him, but I think he'll have a couple years here and there. speaker-0: Do you have a quick question? What team would you like to see him go to, if any? If you could pick one team for him to go to, what team would it be? speaker-2: I mean Niners

is pretty offensive friendly. Niners would be an easy one in division right there. ⁓ and if not, if we're saying in division's a little tough, maybe shit, why not the commanders? Give ⁓ give Jaden Daniels a number one. That that that seems like a good buy low option, honestly, if you're the commanders. speaker-0: Should I interest you in Buffalo? speaker-2: ⁓ man, yeah, maybe so. Maybe so. You can take Keon Coleman's spot. speaker-1: Yeah. Straight. speaker-0: You would even swap, yeah, Keon Coleman for Marv. Arizona's gonna be like, Great, we can only give this guy two targets a game and people are gonna be like, Hey, that's okay. speaker-1: They have the same production. Actually at more. Perfect. ⁓ I mean, unironically, I do think the Colts is actually a decent one. They need the wide receiver depth and then you just get the whole Marvin Harrison keeping it in the family type thing. So yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of teams. I mean, San Francisco would be great just 'cause Shanahan will figure out how to use him and then he gets to be a depth piece on a team that is going to lose wide receivers throughout the year. speaker-0: I think there's thirty one teams that would that would make a phone call on that. There's thirty one teams that would make an offer. speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, they'd all be willing to send a pick or a player, you know, to get him. I don't even know what you ask for him though. 'Cause you're not getting a first. I I don't even know, man. Like what are you 'cause would you would you get a second right now for Michael Wilson? speaker-0: Don't think you've got a second. It's like the I think for both of ⁓ you would. speaker-1: I I think you would for Wilson and he has outperformed Marvin Harrison on all that. So so I guess if you're getting a second, you're kinda like banking on the talent still being there and like you just having to unleash it. I don't know. speaker-0: Marv's thing, like he's he's good, like his metrics, like metric wise. He's he's elite, like man coverage, like he's good against own. I really I I think they just fucking hate him. Or I think all their plays are just hey, like, you know, our playbook here in Arizona, our first read is not our ex receiver, it's not our number one receiver. It's just, hey, look at wide receiver two, and then you know, fuck it, Trey McBride's at the first down marker somewhere. Like, that's their offense, and it pisses me off because he's he's Too damn good to be to be stuck there. ⁓ all right, so for my last one, ⁓ little biased here, so you can probably imagine where I'm going with this. ⁓ Trevor Lawrence will finish top three in MVP voting this year. ⁓ I understand it was Cleveland. Okay. Still a respectable defense. They still had Denzel Ward out there, they still had all the guys out there on the back end. speaker-2: Patty, what you speaker-0: That game was over in the second quarter. and there were some plays. Like one of the touchdown passes, I forget who we threw it to. ⁓ there was a couple plays where Trevor made some throws that I have never seen him make before. speaker-2: That pass through three guys was insane. It won't that was Rogers esque. speaker-1: Yeah. Nobody makes that throw. Like nobody even attempts that throw. What the hell are you thinking? There's three hands in the line of speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Like I I saw that and I was like, holy shit. Like, really. And he was efficient too. I think it was like nineteen of twenty three, two hundred and sixty yards, four touchdowns, like looked amazing in Liam Cohen's offense. Like looked the best that he ever has. And I mean, we've got he's got three good receivers to throw it to. The the running game looked pretty well. I think he's got everything that he needs to be successful. I think he they just gotta put it all together. speaker-1: I'm gonna pump the brakes. I'm not gonna say it's a full overreaction. This weekend, I think you could argue that Trevor Lawrence wasn't even a top three QB. Because you have Lamar played really well, ⁓ Josh Allen played really well, and Caleb Williams played phenomenally. So, like those three I think are above him. You could even make the argument that Bryce Young is above him. I think I am on board with the Jags being a Super Bowl team. ⁓ because coming out playing against Cleveland, supposed to be a good defense. ⁓ I almost picked them in my survivor pool because I was like, I think the Jags will get it done. But I think the Jags will get it done on like a 10 point game, low scoring football game. And they completely blew me away. They came out and dropped 40 points on them. Like, nobody's expecting that. So this start to the season is very encouraging to say that this is a a a Super Bowl team, absolutely. So if you had said they've they've joined the Super Bowl bubble, I'm in. I was in at the end of last year. ⁓ but ⁓ V P top three is a little rich for my blood, so speaker-0: It's a little rich for mine too. Just saying I wanna say I'd I'd like to see what they do against Denver. ⁓ speaker-2: Right. We get Denver this week. That's gonna be a a banger in the four o'clock window. ⁓ overreaction. Further exactly what Tim said. Right now it's already Lamar, Josh Allen, and Caleb ahead of him, probably. ⁓ and people are gonna be if Mahomes plays at all like pretty good, people are gonna be dying to put him in the MVP conversation. Thing with Trevor Lawrence, he was so hyped. Usually when you're that hyped to some degree, you either you get you garner some sort of like hate or love either way. And I don't speaker-0: One hundred percent. speaker-2: I don't get the sense he's like a media darling for all the hype that he was. He doesn't seem hated that much either, but people are kind of just like in the middle on Trevor Lawrence, which is weird. So I don't know, even if he puts together a run, I don't know if he'll get the proper like respect he deserves as far as like top three respect from the media at large. 'Cause yeah, like

even like Andrew Luck when he 'cause he Andrew Luck had a had a thing for throwing picks. He was obviously a but people were like in his corner and people aren't that way really with Trevor Lawrence or I could be wrong about this. Doesn't seem like they're that way with Caleb either. Though Caleb, I feel like it's gonna he's gonna gain more momentum because he's a little younger. ⁓ but Trevor, I'm surprised that he doesn't have like the media mafia that some young QBs have or young NBA stars have this when they have hype. Trevor Lawrence doesn't seem to have that. I'm shocked. speaker-0: I feel like Caleb has more of a national following. The problem is, and we've talked about this before. I think the problem is is that all these guys come out and they get the generational labels. Yep. There's a new generational quarterback every year. You know, there's a new this or that every year, and it's like, hey, this is the next big thing. Like and I really think too, like I said, I think it I think it might have been the shot zipper piss episode. I think it also depends on markets too. Like I really think it depends on what market you play in. Like I'm sorry, but Jacksonville market wise, like it's one of the one of the lesser NFL cities in terms of like profit revenue, stuff like that. Like when you're competing against Chicago, ⁓ Detroit, you know, cities like that, like Jacksonville's not that kind of market. And I and I think that has a lot to do with it. But I think so too. Like I think that I I guess to like the lack of national media. Like Jacksonville doesn't play a lot of televised games. Like they don't play a lot of primetime games. Like they don't get the Monday night footballs. They don't get the Sunday night footballs. I think that also has something to do with it. But it feels like there's always like this new guy or whatever. And like I do think they've kind of slacked up on Caleb a little bit too. Like it kind of went from Caleb to or really it started with Jaden Daniels. It was Jaden Daniels. Then, you know, Drake made now it's now it's Caleb. ⁓ so it's like, okay, like if if that flames out, where does it go to next? Like it feels like every couple of games the the national media picks somebody brand new, you know, to talk about. Like y'all said, if Mahomes has a resurgent, like it's probably gonna be Mahomes. And then they're just gonna say, Hey, forget everybody else. speaker-2: It's really weird that the Florida teams that have Tampa and Miami and then Jacksonville was a That's the word I'm looking for here. New team. Expansion team. Yeah. I don't know why I couldn't think of that. I do wonder, maybe you know this answer, Brandon. Why did they put that team in Orlando? Why was Orlando never a Florida market for the NFL? speaker-0: Expansion too. I think because of location, because where so Orlando yeah, Orlando's like a big city, but like Jacksonville in terms of like so Jacksonville in terms of like square area, I think is like one of the biggest cities in the US. Mm-hmm. Jacksonville downtown is more of like it's more municipal. Th it's a lot more like catered to business. Like there's not like there's really not like a whole lot of nightlife and stuff like that to do. And they're kind of I think that's kind of like the other the other thing that they're trying to combat right now because what they're doing, they're doing the stadium renovation this year. So they've cut a lot. I think with the capacity is like forty four thousand. So anyways, the the stadium sits on the St. John's River. ⁓ St. John's River is like the main river that flows through Florida. ⁓ they're putting like a whole strip around the stadium. It's like there's gonna be restaurants, there's gonna be bars. It's kind of kind of like some sort of resemblance of Foxboro. ⁓ I think when they did it at the time, I think a lot of people probably thought that Jacksonville in twenty to thirty years was gonna be a more desirable location than Orlando. ⁓ I feel like Orlando's more desirable. I feel like when people come to Florida, it's Orlando, Tampa, Miami. Because like I said, like there's really nothing here in Jacksonville. Like if you go downtown, there's nothing at all. Like you're just going you're just going through downtown. Like there's nothing to see, like there's nothing to do. You got your seven elevens and your McDonald's and that's really about it. speaker-2: Need a strip clubs is what they need. speaker-0: ⁓ ain't got none down there as far as I know. speaker-1: Right on campus. Right in the stadium. speaker-2: Last one here. ⁓ I kinda I've gone both ways with the Cowboys. I I s took a shot on them for the Super Bowl, then asked if they were frauds. ⁓ I picked Justin Herbert for MVP. My statement, my reaction or overreaction, it's never gonna happen for Justin Herbert. speaker-0: Stadium. speaker-1: I agree. They're a very similar team to the Cowboys, ⁓ where it's like they just fail. Like they they can get to the moment where they need to like break through the barrier and they just fail. ⁓ last year it was the playoffs and we can blame it on injury, but if you go and you w I feel like every the last like five years, we've always made an excuse. The only thing that's been consistent among these last five years is Justin Herbert. He has been a part of this team. They have changed offensive schemes, they have changed head coaches, they have changed offensive lines when they get hurt. But eventually it all comes down to Herbert, and this is what they get. ⁓ it looked to me from that game that it took one good drive for the Arizona Cardinals to just figure them out and be like, ⁓ okay, we know how to play against you now, and you're not gonna be able to play football anymore. ⁓ that's really what it looked like. So hopefully that's not the case going forward. Hopefully Mike McDaniels can draw up some stuff that isn't just like shut down immediately, 'cause it's gonna be a rough season if it is if

it looks anything like that first game. But ⁓ I do think that they're it is a proper reaction to say that he's not gonna win anything. ⁓ I I don't think that's crazy at all. I agree with it. speaker-0: Yeah, I hate to say it, but I also agree with Timmy here. ⁓ it's concerning when you only score fourteen points against the Cardinals. Like it it is very concerning. That also was one of the biggest if not the biggest eye opener where I was like, Holy shit, like LA's only got fourteen points. Like the Mike McDaniels system did not work. And I don't know if it's a personnel thing. I don't know if it's because they don't really have the the talent at receiver. You know, it nothing looked good. Nothing worked. And like young like Timmy said, like it's after that first drive, Arizona like, Okay, this is exactly what their offensive game plan is. Like, hey, let's stop it. And if that's a preview of what the rest of this year is gonna look like, it's gonna be a very long year. And I've I I I've got a a good friend of mine that's a Chargers fan. And I I texted him Sunday, I told him, I said, ⁓ boy, I was like, ⁓ how how do you feel about this? And he was like, I'm gonna be honest with you. He's like, I don't like this at all. He's like, I think it might be a long year for us. And if that's our offensive output, then it certainly looks like that's in the cards. I don't think so. I don't think it's gonna happen, but it could get ugly quick. speaker-2: They did have that one play where three offensive linemen blocked the one guy. And that was ever seen that on a on a football field. ⁓ they did lose their center right before the start of the season. same old Chargers type thing. I'm not gonna overreact to that because they do have an elite coaching staff, I believe. ⁓ though they are ha they have one of the toughest schedules. They have the hardest travel schedule in the NFL this year. but that being said. Jim Harbaugh, he looked unprepared. He got out coached. You rarely say that in any week about a Jim Harbaugh team. And they they looked prepared, unprepared, excuse me, on both sides of the ball. Defense didn't look good, offensive line opposite looked horrible. And the offense looked vanilla. Which, okay, all right, new system. All right, we'll give it a few weeks for it to work with McDaniel and with Justin Herbert. But man, it looked way too similar to what their offense looked like on the bad days last year. ⁓ where you just get this drop back from Herbert and it's like he just throws it as soon as he drops back, one, two, three. You know what I mean? Like he's eager to get it out, even with good blocking. ⁓ it reminded me very much of the stuff we were saying about Trevor Lawrence the last few years before it really popped for him in week nine on last year. ⁓ specifically with the the fire in the belly. He doesn't look competitive. I said that about Trevor Lawrence at one point last year. Obviously everything flipped with him, but just that was my takeaway from Sunday. A that Harbaugh got out coached. And B, I like, man, Herbert should look a little more competitive in these games. Like they need him to show up. They clearly didn't have the energy on each side of the ball. I'd like to see Herbert scramble a little more and create plays for his offense to really get them going. And I did not see that. speaker-0: The Jets look better than the Chargers did on offense. The Jets are look better. Just saying, the Jets actually look like a competent team. speaker-2: True. That's true. Which is a wild statement to say. Cause I mean, the Jets haven't looked competent in like over a decade. ⁓ fellas, well we could do this before we go. Do we want to make picks right now for Thursday night or do we want to send those into Keenan on Thursday? speaker-0: We're here, might as well. Hell yeah. speaker-1: Don't know who's playing. I need to know speaker-2: Nice. speaker-0: This is Detroit at Buffalo. speaker-2: In Buffalo. Four and a half point favorite, I believe Buffalo is right now. speaker-1: In the new terrible stadium. Hm. speaker-2: Yes. People can't see. speaker-1: They can't see. I'm first of all, their stadium. Actually I d I did want to bring this up. Two things. There's stadium. A couple of the things I don't really care about. The fact that you can't see through the glass at the very top of the nosebleeds, I could kind of care less about that. ⁓ but two, when it comes to stadiums, Australia does it correct. They did the flyover, the pan over of the stadium, ⁓ on that that Thursday night game. There's a stadium. And then there's train tracks. And that's how you get to the stadium is you take a train. That's how all stadiums should be. The fact that people park and then walk like miles and they pay a hundred dollars to park their car five miles away from the stadium blows my mind that America still lives in the Stone Age when it comes to transportation. ⁓ weird. It's it's infuriating actually. ⁓ I hate driving thirty minutes to work because there's no public transportation. So ⁓ speaker-2: We are behind. speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ speaker-1: I will take Buffalo in this game. I know their defense didn't look amazing, but I at least think their defense can do a little bit against the Lions. I just don't trust the Lions defense here. I I really don't. So I'm gonna go we'll go a good game. We'll go thirty one to twenty eight Buffalo. speaker-0: Yeah, I I'm also in on Buffalo for this one. ⁓ you gotta go with the home team. I mean, the the Lions just gave up thirty to the Saints. ⁓ you know, with with a way worse quarterback, not as good skill position players. ⁓ speaker-2: And got a gift on a whistle. speaker-1: I was gonna say, we should we talk about that? That was kind of a crazy play when I came down. speaker-2: I mean, I'll let Brandon go first, but yeah, I I have a reaction to that for sure. speaker-0: So I I think the overunder for this is fifty four and a half. I think that's going way over. It is

Buffalo by four and a half. ⁓ I'm thinking like thirty thirty eight, thirty-five Buffalo. Like I could see this being like a last possession kind of game. Like we're where whoever gets the ball last is gonna have a chance to go down the field and win. ⁓ I do trust Buffalo a little bit more. I just think Detroit's way too banged up on the back end. I think Buffalo actually has real defensive talent. ⁓ I think it's just gonna take them a little while to put it together. There's a lot of young guys that are on that defense. Maxwell Harrison, guys like that that really didn't play a whole lot last year because of injuries or whatever else. ⁓ I trust Buffalo's defense a hell of a lot more. Detroit has a good front seven. I mean it's Aiden Hutchinson, Ali McNeil. They had they have real players. It's just the pro the problem is that Brian Branch isn't healthy. Terrion Arnold is facing twenty years in prison. You know, they've got nobody on the back end. They're they're they're playing guys off the streets. ⁓ yeah, I'm taking Buffalo. Give me thirty eight, thirty five. I think this is gonna be a ⁓ Chicago, Carolina style game. speaker-2: This is a tough one because the Lions went to OT on Sunday and then the Bills, though they handled the Texans defense, still a very physical defense. So I don't really love either team coming off a short week going into this Thursday night game. I'm gonna lean home team. I'm gonna go a little lower scoring than y'all. I'm gonna go twenty seven, twenty three. I'm gonna go Buffalo. ⁓ I got Detroit covering technically. I think that's kind of a crazy line though. I think it should be closer to three. But either way, I have a four point game. Bills over the Lions. Bill's going with the ⁓ you know, opening up the new stadium, having all the fanfare there and whatever. So I think they win. ⁓ quickly, we mentioned in that what was it, was it Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan in that Michigan game? True. Western. I mentioned how I'd never in my life heard, you know, the fact that there's a separate clock that the refs have or know about or this or that. I've never in my life heard a ref speaker-1: What's Hmm. speaker-2: explain what look to me, I've seen that play a million times, Jared Goff getting tackled from behind, going to throw the ball, ball leaving his hands before he can follow through. I've seen that play a million times, seen a call to fumble every time. I have never heard a ref explain it as, ⁓ he intended to throw it forward. ⁓ correct me if I'm wrong. Every time a quarterback drops back to pass, they intend to throw the ball forward. Hopefully that was the most insane explanation I've ever fucking heard in my life. speaker-0: Every single time. speaker-2: I couldn't believe it. ⁓ the Lions could easily be 0 1 because of that. They got a gift there. I don't I again I I I have no explanation, no words. I've never heard an explanation quite like that. speaker-1: Do you guys remember ⁓ last year? I'm who's the backup on the Broncos that filled in for Bo Knicks? Stidum. Jared Stidum. He does this like stupid shovel pass that ends up going backwards, and they scoop and score a touchdown, and that's what sealed the game. That's the exact same thing. He intended to throw it forward, but he got tackled and pushed like this, and now it's going backwards. And there wasn't any ref that was going to be like, speaker-0: George Stedham. speaker-1: ⁓ well he actually intended to throw it forward and yeah it would have been intentional grounding but the intention was to at least throw it forward. That is the dumbest thing. And what's what's what's worse is that that is a rule. You can go cite the rule book where it says if the QB is intending to throw the ball forward, like he he did call the right thing, I guess. Like that is the rule. It just blows my mind that they have to like say that because of course every QB is intending to throw it forward. But if you get hit before the arm's going forward and the ball goes backwards, that's a fumble. That's the letter of the law. So that that was silly. ⁓ yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, that was wild to me. I was like, you're the quarterback always intends to throw. The second that you start that three or five step drop, like you're intending to throw as long as you do not hand the ball off to the running back. Like you're actively like it's always like is that arm going forward? Is it not going forward? Like it's either an incomplete pass or it's a fumble. Like I've never I was flabbergasted. I was like intending to throw, like When did we start using this? Like I had to I was like, does the NF did the NFL make a new rule this year on this? Because that clearly was a fumble. Like you see it in college and NFL all the time. That ten out of ten times is a fumble. And I just like I sat there and I was like, Wow, really? Like that had to have been Vegas stepping in or you know, the NFL stepping in saying, Hey, we got too much money coming in, you know, we we you know, we can't pay all these people out or or whatever, you know. Like that that was egregious. I like I was pretty shocked that they actually said that on live T V. speaker-2: It was insane. It was insane. ⁓ listen, if that was week one and we got that kind of call with that egregious explanation, I can only imagine what the next sixteen to seventeen weeks will be like before we reach the postseason. fellas, this was fun. Picks on Friday. Keenan should be there. We'll see we'll see which one of us makes it. There's times we think it's gonna be all four, and then it ends up like maybe being two or three of us. So we'll see we'll see what the lineup is. But ⁓ either way, great week one. Great ending to week one. I that was actually kind of a dud. 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