התמלול המלא של Abdul El-Sayed Says He’ll Win Big, but Michigan Is Dead Even

00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,480 >> And I was the one responding back to people. 75 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:31,280 You've got to contact everybody back because you just never know who is reaching out. 76 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,240 You could miss a huge opportunity. 77 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,080 You have to have some kind of a process for onboarding. 78 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:42,960 And campaigns that don't have some kind of a process, if they win despite having something 79 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,360 like that, it's usually because they're so establishment. 80 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,160 They've got like the Trump endorsement or they've got some kind of golden ticket that 81 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,120 they don't have to worry about it. 82 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,800 But if it is a competitive race, what I have noticed is that the campaigns that don't have 83 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:01,120 some kind of apparatus to do outreach or to take on boarding of like volunteers and donations 84 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,560 and things like that, they're usually being poorly managed. 85 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,240 And that's a bad sign for them. 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,280 So it's good to know that I'll say it is not doing that because I think that's a good sign 87 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,200 for people who don't want him to win. 88 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Siggy's mom. 89 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,200 >> I don't know. 90 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,200 He's got that charisma though. 91 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,880 You know, he's a young guy. 92 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:19,880 Good looking. 93 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,600 I'm sure a lot of women are like, oh, he's handsome, whatever. 94 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,320 So he's got that on his side, unfortunately, and that has a lot to do with who wins. 95 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,320 >> I guess. 96 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,440 There are people who think Candace Owens is hot. 97 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,720 I'm just like, I'm sorry, I'm racist. 98 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:40,680 >> Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he wins because I even had a. 99 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,680 >> Just kidding. 100 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:47,000 >> I even had a Jewish friend of mine who lives in Michigan and she's going to have to decide 101 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,480 if she's going to vote for him. 102 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,960 And she posted on Instagram. 103 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,980 She was just like, I can't find anywhere on his campaign website where it says he's pro 104 00:04:54,980 --> 00:04:55,980 Palestine. 105 00:04:55,980 --> 00:04:57,760 Can anyone help me find it? 106 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,160 >> I guarantee you that mother is pro Palestine. 107 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,840 He's as pro Palestine as Hassan that they're going to execute by firing squad in Texas. 108 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:11,400 >> The thing about Jewish people, it's like, we have

to learn. 109 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,960 Come on, guys, stop having your head in the sand. 110 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,200 You're always in denial, like, are you sure this person wants to kill me? 111 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Are you sure? 112 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,280 >> Well, you're not you're not wrong about that, Stephanie. 113 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,200 As a matter of fact, that's my next bullet point here. 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,080 Lansing Mayor Andy Shore, who backed Haley Stevens and who is Jewish, told CNN he's not 115 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,000 voting for Mike Rogers. 116 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,920 But he says he's not going to back El Sayed until they talk. 117 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,600 He says if he doesn't need me, he doesn't need me. 118 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,080 So and that so that is the Democrat in the state that all Sayed says he's going to win 119 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,280 by a landslide describing himself as optional. 120 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:54,960 >> These social values are just so important to the Jewish people that they just can't 121 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,040 see voting for a Republican. 122 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,120 They need universal health care. 123 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,880 They need welfare. 124 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,000 They need all that. 125 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 >> Yeah. 126 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,760 Well, El Sayed is going to need every vote that he can get. 127 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:14,580 The last poll showed him at 50% and Mike Rogers at 49, among likely voters. 128 00:06:14,580 --> 00:06:17,000 So it's a squeaker. 129 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Cook's political report had Michigan's open Senate seat in the toss-up column, along with 130 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, and Ohio. 131 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,440 So they are not going to win this thing by double digits, for sure. 132 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,640 So he said to CNN, I'm not the Democrat the Democrats want, but I am the Democrat the 133 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,640 Democrats have. 134 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,640 Womp womp. 135 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,640 What an answer. 136 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,940 What Democrats need, no, it's like it's not what you want. 137 00:06:39,940 --> 00:06:44,280 He's sort of acknowledging there that he's not really the perfect. 138 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:47,000 He's not really the perfect candidate for the Democrats there. 139 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,160 He reminds me of mom Donnie, though. 140 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,160 Yeah. 141 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,320 How is he really any different? 142 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,320 He's got the same kind of look, the same kind of attitude. 143 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:02,200 He went to University of Michigan, which is a that's a very good school in Michigan. 144 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,680 It's one of the more expensive ones. 145 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:10,200 It's not Ivy League, but you got to be rich to be able to afford it. 146 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,000 I didn't go there for my master's program because it was literally double the price 147 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,400 of Wayne State University, where I got my master's program. 148 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,280 Best line of the debate last night was this. 149 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,280 Condemn Hamas. 150 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,840 He can't condemn the Muslim Brotherhood says his home is Egypt. 151 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,840 This is all started. 152 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:28,840 We are going forward. 153 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:29,840 We can continue. 154 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,000 We can continue this conversation in the second half of the show. 155 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 He does go to home in Florida. 156 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 I just took it off the market. 157 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 I don't know why. 158 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 He just took it off his home in the United Arab era. 159 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 We're done. 160 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Stay in the Middle East. 161 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Congressman Rogers in the United States. 162 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,440 Boom. 163 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,520 Yeah, like all these fights about like who's rich or whatever. 164 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,800 This is a side guy. 165 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,800 He's rich. 166 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Oh, yeah. 167 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,080 His family is rich. 168 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,400 You do not live in the suburbs of Detroit and not have money. 169 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,080 I tell you, you lived in the suburbs of Detroit. 170 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Yeah. 171 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,280 I admit like my family was well off. 172 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Yes. 173 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,800 Where's it at, girl? 174 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:07,920 Let's see some of that. 175 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,360 Well, now that I'm an adult, you know, I don't get to have all of that. 176 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,360 Do they? 177 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Yeah. 178 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Damn girl. 179 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,360 Can you use some of that? 180 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,360 Unfortunately, man. 181 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,520 You suppose, but I guess you did come with a bag of gold, didn't you? 182 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,520 That's right. 183 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,520 I did. 184 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,520 Yeah. 185 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:24,520 I was raised very well. 186 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,520 Yeah. 187 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:31,280 And CNN reported that I'll say it is talking less about APAC now and more about ground beef, 188 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,600 gas and health care, and that he supports Medicare for all. 189 00:08:34,600 -->

00:08:41,640 Now the CNN is saying that APAC align spending against him has been about $33 million. 190 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,560 But Mike Rogers has also come out and said gas prices are high and that we need to wind 191 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:46,840 down the war in Iran. 192 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,040 So voters who are angry about the pump aren't really caring about like what the Democrat 193 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,840 felt historic about and all that. 194 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,700 So it's a question for me. 195 00:08:55,700 --> 00:09:04,400 I think it's going to come down to how voters split on the economic question, the question 196 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,400 of beef prices. 197 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,520 Beef prices have been coming down, gas prices have started coming down a little bit. 198 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,360 I haven't looked at diesel though, but that affects everything else. 199 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,060 So you have to look at the climate of Michigan. 200 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:20,720 Your most populated areas are pretty much Detroit, Grand Rapids. 201 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,000 Those are very liberal areas. 202 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:31,680 Detroit obviously has a huge amount of black people who are on welfare, on governmental 203 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:33,280 programs. 204 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,300 Those people are probably going to be getting to the polls. 205 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:41,560 The rest of Michigan is pretty much just scattered ruralness. 206 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:48,440 So I don't know in terms of population, I'm assuming there's more in those cities. 207 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,840 And those people care about getting handouts. 208 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:58,440 Well, the good news is that Michigan is supposed to be an easy Democrat state, but the fact 209 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,720 that the race is actually competitive is a win to some extent for us right now. 210 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,400 So a couple of weeks out from the midterms, the fact that Michigan might turn Republican 211 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:10,640 is really good news for us. 212 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,320 For the Greeks of antiquity, the pursuit of excellence was the very principle of man's 213 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,320 existence. 214 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,840 It was this trait that would push the West to create and build things that others could 215 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,840 not. 216 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Marking us out from so many other cultures and civilizations, the fire of passion, strength, 217 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,280 courage, pride, is the heart of great civilization. 218 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:35,200 Today too much of the West has forgotten this quality and so we tore down our monuments, 219 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,620 we condemned our own history and in too many places we taught our children to be ashamed 220 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:44,140

of the countries they would inherit and as the West's confidence faltered, its adversaries 221 00:10:44,140 --> 00:10:47,440 and its rivals only grew more assertive. 222 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:55,680 We will either choose to act now or lose the choice to act at all. 223 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,480 Under President Trump, the United States has made its choice. 224 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,560 We choose the unapologetic pursuit of national power. 225 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:07,880 We choose to reach for new frontiers, to unleash our energy, to rebuild our factories, to return 226 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:14,720 our astronauts to the moon and launch a new age of exploration. 227 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,880 The story of the civilization is the greatest story ever known to man. 228 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,320 And it began here, with the first men and women of the West. 229 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:30,920 From then we can rediscover the virtues, the courage and the strength to confront the dangers 230 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,560 that we face in our time. 231 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:39,840 Damn, he's good man, I like him more and more. 232 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:46,040 He's making war out to be so great and grand, but really it's not that wonderful. 233 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,040 Are you sure? 234 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,040 Yeah. 235 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,960 Because it sure has built the West. 236 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:56,880 The United States has been at war since our founding. 237 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,120 I know, it's terrible. 238 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:04,000 There has really never been, there was a very brief era of good feelings, there have been 239 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,040 some relatively peaceful times. 240 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,960 I wish I could have lived during that time. 241 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,520 No, I don't. 242 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,120 Those were terrible times to live. 243 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,120 They were? 244 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,960 No, this was like, what, 1800 or something like that? 245 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,960 Right? 246 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,920 But I want to know what peace feels like. 247 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,720 Stephanie, let me explain something to you, okay? 248 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,200 You know what peace feels like, because we've won wars. 249 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:35,460 This is the, but from sea to shining sea, within the contiguous territories of the United 250 00:12:35,460 --> 00:12:43,240 States and Alaska and Hawaii, it is the most peaceful stretch of land, thousands and thousands 251 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,560 of miles of peace within the territory of the United States. 252 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:54,280 Because the bayonets are pointed out, because we have crushed the skulls of our enemies 253 00:12:54,280 --> 00:13:01,040 and heard the lamentation, because millions and millions and millions of Europeans and

254 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Africans and Asians will never be born, because we killed their fathers, within these 50 states 255 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,980 is the great, glorious Pax Americana, the peace of America. 256 00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:22,320 No one fucks with us, and when they do, we invade and we topple their dictators, kill 257 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:28,640 their leaders and their children's children's children's, by killing their fathers. 258 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:35,200 And because the United States has been good at war, because we have won wars within our 259 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,760 territories of the United States, with a little blip here and there, like on 9/11 and like 260 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:47,440 the Black Tom attacks during World War I, the United States has a very peaceful issue. 261 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,640 You are living in the most peaceful and prosperous time of all of human history, Stephanie. 262 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:53,640 Oh, it's true. 263 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,000 Can't you appreciate that? 264 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:08,160 Yeah, yeah, I'm very fortunate, and I definitely think I take that for granted, too much. 265 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,080 Justin over in the chat is going to join us in a minute, says, "I call this cathedral 266 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:18,040 culture, only a culture that trusts the future and values the past can make a cathedral." 267 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,760 You know, it's just like when you're in school, when you're the overachiever, right? 268 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,160 We're the overachievers of the world. 269 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:32,240 We're building rockets, we're making all these inventions, but then the lazy kids, there's 270 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:38,000 so many of them, and they're just running free, doing their thing. 271 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Well just think about it, I mean, we're so wealthy and powerful that we can afford this 272 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,120 largesse. 273 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:49,560 I mean, that's kind of like one of the inherent weaknesses of capitalism, is that it allows 274 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:57,960 people who are opposed to capitalism to be able to live, to be able to survive. 275 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,240 If we lived under communism, then only the strong would survive in that situation or 276 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,240 scenario. 277 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:09,880 So the inherent weakness of capitalism is that the free market provides such a horn 278 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:16,200 of plenty that even communists and socialists who are dedicated to its destruction can afford 279 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,600 to eat in this country. 280 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,880 So we need to cut off trade. 281 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:23,680 No, no, we just need to cut off communists, just cut off the welfare. 282 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,560 Here's some more Rubio for you. 283 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Where is he? 284 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,560 Where is this? 285 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,560 Where do you think that is? 286 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Mount Sinai? 287 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,560 What is that? 288 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,560 I don't know. 289 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,160 Oh, Stephanie, you know where that is. 290 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,320 That's the Parthenon, Stephanie. 291 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:52,800 Oh, I've never been there. 292 00:15:52,800 --> 00:16:03,160 I've never been there. 293 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:25,160 I've never been there. 294 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:44,400 The interesting thing about the Greeks, too, is that they had a somewhat libertarian view 295 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:50,760 when it came to the military, because they had these things called hoplite farmers. 296 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:56,040 So if you were a hoplite, you were a farmer, you were kind of like, it's a citizen soldier 297 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,040 essentially. 298 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:02,640 A hoplite farmer of ancient Greece was someone who owned their lands, owned their property, 299 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,100 paid no taxes. 300 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:09,120 But the reason that they didn't pay taxes is because they had no military. 301 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:12,440 They were the military, the hoplite farmers. 302 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,960 So they're like militia. 303 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,720 To some extent, right? 304 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,060 Every citizen, every farmer, every hoplite must be trained. 305 00:17:20,060 --> 00:17:22,960 They had their shield over their fireplace. 306 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,320 And when it was necessary, they would all go out and do their phalanx and go to war. 307 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,000 Somebody checked my history on that one, I'm pretty sure. 308 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Oh, that's interesting. 309 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,760 I didn't learn about that one in school. 310 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,000 Yeah, the hoplite farmer. 311 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000 You probably did. 312 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 You just forgot. 313 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 I just forgot, clearly. 314 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Hoplite farmer system. 315 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,520 I don't even know where he's standing. 316 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,040 You had to tell me that. 317 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Yes, here we go. 318 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,560 Hoplites were primarily free citizens. 319 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,400 They were the citizen soldier ideal. 320 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,040 This is a very libertarian concept. 321 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,040 They were the citizen soldiers of the ancient Greek city states who were armed with spears 322 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,920 and shields. 323 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,960 Hoplite soldiers used the phalanx. 324 00:17:57,960 -->

00:17:58,960 Thank you, Austin. 325 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,400 Remember your Mr. Simon's history class. 326 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,120 The formation discouraged the soldiers from acting alone, for this would compromise the 327 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,880 formation and minimize its strengths. 328 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,160 Hoplites were primarily free citizens, property farmers and artisans who were able to afford 329 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,640 linen or bronze armor suit and weapons. 330 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,720 Some states maintain a small elite professional unit because they were picked, called like 331 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:27,880 the chosen and those existed in Athens, Sparta, Argos, Thebes and Syracuse among other places. 332 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:33,800 But hoplite soldiers made up the bulk of the ancient Greek armies. 333 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:39,720 And when I typed control F on the Wikipedia page for the word tax, you cannot find the 334 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,040 word tax on that page. 335 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,040 Nice. 336 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,480 Yeah, but you'd have to fight. 337 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,120 That's the thing is that I don't know if us Americans want that. 338 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:50,120 We'll see. 339 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:54,360 The thing is, is that libertarians, like they love to talk about no taxes, but they don't 340 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:55,360 want to fight. 341 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:56,360 There you go. 342 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,320 They're so, they're so puny, right? 343 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,880 So the thing is, is that in order to have Liberty, you have to have the responsibility. 344 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,560 Oh yeah. 345 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,800 And they talk such a big game. 346 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,280 They're like, I'm going to take my bayonet and my grenade and I'm going to go, you know, 347 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,280 kill him. 348 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Whatever. 349 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,280 No, you're not. 350 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,280 No, they're not. 351 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,280 You're scared. 352 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,400 And that's okay because you know what? 353 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,640 We've created a system where a little scared libertarians are allowed to be afraid and allowed 354 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,160 to not have to serve in the military, but they have to pay taxes. 355 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,600 But taxation is theft. 356 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,080 It is, but two things can be true at once. 357 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Taxation can be theft and it can also be a necessary evil. 358 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,040 Right. 359 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,200 So the question is, is how do you keep that evil to the absolute minimum necessary in order 360 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,760 to sustain civilization? 361 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,920 So in other words, our taxes, the price we pay to live in a civilized society. 362 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,920 Yes. 363 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:57,680 No, I'm sorry, no offense, but it sounds like some fucking comedy gobbledygook. 364 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,680 Just kidding. 365 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,440 So anyway, I'm fine with paying for the fire department and the police department and I 366 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,480 can't do those jobs myself. 367 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,480 Not me. 368 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,360 I'd rather be a volunteer firefighter and not pay taxes, but still they always say it for 369 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:15,240 the roads and the firefighters and they use it to like trans your kids and make them gay. 370 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,240 Good morning. 371 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,240 Rise and freedom. 372 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,240 Let's reset. 373 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,320 Well, I will say I was just at our HOA meeting just the other day and we were talking about 374 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:27,480 the roads and how much it actually costs to fix them and the bids that we got for our 375 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:33,920 stretch of road for literally one, two, three, four, five, four, six houses was half a million 376 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,080 dollars, half a million dollars. 377 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:43,840 And we, we've just crossed like $10,000 in terms of our budget, you know, for the HOA. 378 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,280 We're never going to get there. 379 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:51,400 So it's like us, us little private road people, we can't compete with the government road 380 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,400 people. 381 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,400 AP lives in our HOA. 382 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,400 No way. 383 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,860 Well, I know it's not going to be forever. 384 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:56,860 It's not. 385 00:20:56,860 --> 00:20:57,860 Yeah. 386 00:20:57,860 --> 00:20:58,860 It wasn't our choosing. 387 00:20:58,860 --> 00:21:02,640 It was, yeah, it was 2020 and we had to get that interest rate locked in while the getting 388 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,640 was good. 389 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:10,280 We all well know, but nobody, nobody follows the rules of the HOA. 390 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,280 We'll just say that. 391 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,280 Yeah. 392 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,280 That's true. 393 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,280 But we do. 394 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,280 We follow them to the letter. 395 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,280 Justin Peterson joining us live in the Wake Up America show. 396 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,000 There's my sweet Stephanie. 397 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,280 She's pregnant with my child and it will be a masculine child. 398 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,480 Justin, you were talking to us a little bit about religion. 399 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,840 You were telling someone about how you viewed like

wokeism as a religion. 400 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,160 Can you kind of expand on that for us? 401 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,160 No, no. 402 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,680 Like, you know, one of the I'm going to be confirmed like, hi, everybody. 403 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,640 I'm going to get confirmed on November 22nd, which is my grandma's birthday. 404 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,080 But the thing that I keep reminding myself of is like, I'm going to be confirmed in the 405 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,080 Episcopal Church. 406 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,960 But I am personally saying I'm not really I'm not an Episcopalian. 407 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,160 I kind of identify myself as an Anglo Catholic. 408 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,240 But like the Episcopal Church is because I've been in it for a while and I've just been like, 409 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,840 you know, taking it in and listening to what people have to say and like just like, you 410 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,720 know, observing and, you know, listening and taking and, you know, everything. 411 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,440 And there's a real white tent in terms of like the theology of the Episcopal Church. 412 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,560 Like if it's, you know, if you believe certain theological things, like they consider themselves 413 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,800 to be a broad tent, right? 414 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:20,040 And there's all of this open discussion about, you know, theological points and like, well, 415 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,040 that about this or the other. 416 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,280 But where you cannot diverge, where you cannot diverge is that you must align yourself almost 417 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,800 exclusively with all political opinions of the left. 418 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:36,080 Like there's no room in the Episcopal Church for like any any divestment from the status 419 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,600 orthodox views of the church. 420 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:44,640 And I think that personally is very ironic because you have all this theological wiggle 421 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560 room, but you don't have any social justice wiggle room. 422 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,760 So I mean, it doesn't take a rocket science scientist to look at that situation and just 423 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,040 be like, maybe the social justice is the religion, right? 424 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,680 Maybe the thing you can't, you know, because it's like usually religions would say, here's 425 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,840 what you have to believe, right? 426 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,960 They would give you a creed or they would give you things to say, this is what we believe. 427 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,360 Well, when you loosen that theological frame and you're like, well, you can believe this, 428 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:10,360 you can believe that, or I mean, there are bishops in the Episcopal Church that don't 429 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,720 even believe in the resurrection of Jesus. 430 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,120 I mean, that's a real thing. 431 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:16,520 Like I'm like, how do you operate in a system where you can't, where you're not believing 432 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,320 that, but you can't not have certain views about gay marriage or like transgenderism or 433 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:30,640 social justice stuff, like you have to have the orthodox leftist opinions of, you know, 434 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,640 of the group. 435 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,000 And I'm like, but do you not see that you've created an orthodoxy that is centered on social 436 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,480 justice and not on Christianity? 437 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,080 Also like evangelism, like Austin and I grew up in evangelistic Christianity, which was, 438 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,080 you know, the good news. 439 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,080 You share the good news. 440 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,000 The thing is this, if you don't believe in the tenets of your faith, there's no need for 441 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,560 evangelism because there's no need to say anything about it, right? 442 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,540 Because you already, you're like, well, I don't really believe it. 443 00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:58,200 So like, I'm not going to tell anybody about it. 444 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:04,320 But like, if you really honestly in your heart believe your message, like Austin's an evangelist 445 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,320 for freedom, right? 446 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,320 And for liberty, like you have to believe in those things in order to evangelize them, 447 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,320 right? 448 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,040 And if you are like, well, I don't really know, I don't really want to be, you know, 449 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,040 bother anybody. 450 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,880 I'm like, somebody else is going to bother you and it's going to be the communist, it's 451 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,520 going to be the social justice warrior who's going to be like, come and believe what I 452 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,520 say. 453 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,520 You know? 454 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,240 And I saw somebody in your commentary say the Missouri Synod for Lutheranism, we do 455 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,480 have that here in Boston. 456 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,760 And I did sort of look at them across the bar yesterday. 457 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,320 I lifted my vodka and I was like, I see you over there and I'm really interested in what 458 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,760 you have to offer. 459 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,380 Maybe we should talk sometime. 460 00:24:37,380 --> 00:24:41,560 So what is the, what is the sign out of Lutherism? 461 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,720 I think it's like a more, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's more of a conservative 462

00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,200 strain of Lutheranism. 463 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,600 I'm very, I'm very theologically conservative. 464 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,400 I can't not be a conservative. 465 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,400 It's a weird thing. 466 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,400 What does that mean? 467 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Well, like I do believe in like historical Christianity as it was developed from the, 468 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,040 you know, for the first hundred thousand, you know, for the first thousand or so years. 469 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,240 I don't believe that God was a woman and I don't believe that, you know, Jesus, you know, 470 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,080 any of these weird things about Jesus, I'm like, I'm pretty standard and orthodox when 471 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000 it comes to things, but it's a weird space to be in because you're like, but you're gay. 472 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,560 And I'm like, I know it doesn't make any sense. 473 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240 And I'm even in the midst of it going, this is really weird. 474 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840 I don't know how to work in looking from the outside. 475 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,520 It is also very weird to observe it because it does appear to be a contradiction. 476 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,560 Yeah, it is a contradiction and I live in it. 477 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,160 I'm like, well, I have to live in the paradoxes, but it's a weird place to be in to come in 478 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,320 and be like, get this woke shit out of my church. 479 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,320 Okay. 480 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Get this, get out of my flag. 481 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,000 I don't want my flag in this church. 482 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,160 Get these motherfucking flags out of this motherfucking church. 483 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,520 So Justin, I mean, are you swearing off men now for the rest of your life? 484 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,760 No, because you can't, I mean, it is, it's like, can I be a, can I be a blonde? 485 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:03,400 No, I'm always going to be gay, but it's learning how to walk, you know, cause there's gay culture. 486 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,400 And this is the thing I was telling my priest this week. 487 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,120 I'm like, this idea of gay culture, oh, you know, it's toxic, right? 488 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,280 I mean, like, you know, you think the Cornell seven is in a situation. 489 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,480 Wait until you hear about the Cambridge 50 when you go to an orgy and you're like, all 490 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,600 right, man. 491 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,400 Like there's this gay culture that's very superficial. 492 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,440 That's very much about, you know, treating other people like objects, you know, it's 493 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,600 not mentally healthy. 494 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,280 It's not because you're treating people badly and I'm, and I've always felt like that's 495 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,280 not right. 496 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,880 But we have to devote, we have to divest ourselves of this idea that sexuality is tied to politics 497 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:42,240 in terms of like, well, if you are this sexuality, you must vote left or, you know, we have to 498 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,120 stop that because sexuality is, I believe in a mutable characteristic, it has nothing 499 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:48,120 to do with your politics. 500 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,040 It has nothing to do with who you vote for. 501 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,320 And the fact that, you know, this, the gay, you know, LGBT community has been sort of 502 00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,880 colonized by this leftist ideology, ideological view, you know, it has turned them into prisoners, 503 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,880 right? 504 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,880 It's made gay people into prisoners. 505 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,640 So it's like, well, now you have to vote this way. 506 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,760 And I know the black community feels the same way about the Democrats, you know, it's like, 507 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,360 well, you have to vote this way because we're black. 508 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,280 I'm like, it's the same exact logic. 509 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:18,360 Well, my question is, do you still feel comfortable being confirmed, given that you don't agree 510 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,600 with a lot of these values that the church has? 511 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,080 That's what I keep telling myself is like, I'm not confirming to the Episcopal Church. 512 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,200 I'm not making a pledge to the Episcopal Church in any way, shape or form. 513 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,200 Oh, you're not? 514 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,200 That's not what a confirmation is. 515 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,200 No, that's not. 516 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520 No, it's basically a realignment to say I want to live in a Christian life. 517 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,760 I want to live a Christian life, you know. 518 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,560 Pursue Christianity as a goal of my life. 519 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,120 But it's not to say I am forever loyal to this church. 520 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,120 Everything this church says I'm going to sign on to, I'm going to believe everything this 521 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,720 church says. 522 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,720 It's not. 523 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,720 And if it was that, Stephanie, I would not do it. 524 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,720 Okay. 525 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:55,720 Yeah. 526 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,720 I would not do it. 527 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,720 I didn't. 528 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,720 I don't know what a confirmation really means. 529 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,420 I know

every church probably does it differently. 530 00:28:01,420 --> 00:28:02,420 Did you? 531 00:28:02,420 --> 00:28:04,080 You got confirmed in your church? 532 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,080 No. 533 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,520 I mean, when you're baptized, that's like your confirmation to some extent. 534 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,240 But you're confirming into the Baptist religion, right? 535 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,880 In particular, when you're doing it. 536 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,800 You're basically becoming a member of the church. 537 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,840 That's how the Baptists view it. 538 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Okay. 539 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,160 Latrell in the chat says being black means voting dem is a mentality he's been fighting 540 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,160 his whole life. 541 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,160 Yeah. 542 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,160 Oh, yeah. 543 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,160 I guess. 544 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,160 It's a real thing. 545 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,800 So what we were raised with the Baptist tradition, the view of homosexuality is that it is a 546 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,240 mortal sin and that it is not an inherent trait. 547 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,720 That it is a choice, a lifestyle choice. 548 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:47,480 And so therefore you can choose not to be gay and you should choose not to be gay because 549 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:53,200 it is a life of sin is what will separate you from God in eternity. 550 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,880 So Justin, does the Episcopalian tradition mirror that belief or not? 551 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:00,880 In terms of? 552 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,480 The viewing of homosexuality as a sin and as a choice. 553 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,840 No, because even the Catholic Church, the Romans don't believe that homosexuality is 554 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,840 a sin. 555 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,300 They do not believe that it is a sin to be gay. 556 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:17,200 The most staunchly conservative church in the world does not say, oh, it's a sin to 557 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,200 be gay. 558 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,840 So it's a sin to not be gay, but a sin to act on it? 559 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,840 Yes. 560 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,840 Yes. 561 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,840 That's how they... 562 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,880 So then are you swearing off acting on your proclivities? 563 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,480 I'm not swearing that off. 564 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,480 No. 565 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,480 No. 566 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,480 I'm not swearing that off. 567 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,480 So you still will actively sin? 568 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,480 Because here's the thing. 569 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,480 I'm just curious. 570 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,080 I'm not accusing you, by the way. 571 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:46,480 I also acknowledge that human understanding of things changes over time. 572 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,920 For example, slavery was ubiquitous in the world for thousands of years. 573 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440 The Bible doesn't really come out and say, hey, you know what? 574 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,640 You shouldn't really own slaves. 575 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,140 You should not have slaves. 576 00:29:56,140 --> 00:29:59,440 You should let those people go and let them be free. 577 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,520 The Bible even gives you directions on how to treat your slaves. 578 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,440 So it wasn't coming out and saying, oh, you should get rid of slavery. 579 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,440 But we solved slavery in the 1800s, and it was the white people who did it, right? 580 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,680 So we were the ones who came along and said, you know what? 581 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,040 Maybe we shouldn't do this. 582 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,400 And there were factions of the church, and that's how you got the Southern Baptist Church, 583 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,320 by the way, Austin, was that those were the defenders of slavery. 584 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,400 Those were the ones that were like, oh no, we want to keep slavery. 585 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,760 We think God has mandated slaves, and it's always going to be this way, so we're going 586 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,760 to do it this way. 587 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,960 So the Bible is not the infallible word of God to... 588 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,960 No, it is not. 589 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,280 And that is one thing I think the Bible is the resource. 590 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,400 But I'm not a fundamentalist, because I don't worship the Bible. 591 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,000 The Bible is not my God. 592 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,760 Jesus is God, not the Bible. 593 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,680 And that's the inversion that I see sometimes in very, very arch conservative Christianity. 594 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,160 They take the Bible and turn the Bible into an idol, and they make the Bible into like, 595 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160 this is the holy thing, and we must worship the Bible. 596 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,820 And I'm like, well, even Jesus was saying to the people in the Pharisees, you guys have 597 00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:58,920 gotten so much into the legalism of everything, and you've gone so far into like every dot 598 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,360 and tittle of the Old Testament, but you're not living into the world that you're in, 599 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,040 and you're not seeing the suffering around you. 600 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,000 And so your religious beliefs, they're not changing your heart, they're not changing 601 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,760 how you treat people in the real world. 602 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,280 So you have become idolaters of scripture.

603 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,280 You become... 604 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,000 I mean, that's what all these religious leaders were doing with Jesus. 605 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,680 They were all going, but the law says, and the law says, and the law says, and Jesus 606 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,800 was like, yeah, no, no. 607 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,800 You've missed the point. 608 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,760 You've missed the entire point of everything. 609 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,840 So my thing is, I don't follow the Bible. 610 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,120 I mean, I guess the Bible is... 611 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,880 Jewish lawyers love the law, man. 612 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,880 They love the law. 613 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,920 I would say Jewish people follow the Old Testament pretty closely. 614 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,920 Depends on how orthodox they are. 615 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,920 Not really. 616 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,920 Not really. 617 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,920 Orthodox, yeah, for sure. 618 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,920 Orthodox for sure tries to follow it. 619 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,100 Well, they don't stone a rebellious son to death. 620 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:45,100 They don't follow. 621 00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,100 They don't follow a lot of the old... 622 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:50,080 Yeah, I'll have to ask why they don't do that anymore, what made them not do that. 623 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,880 Well, unless I don't know, they don't send their women out of town when they're on their 624 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,240 period either, which is another thing that's made them do. 625 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,760 In the Orthodox, you cannot touch, so the wife cannot touch her husband directly. 626 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,560 So like, let's say you have some keys. 627 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,800 You cannot hand your husband the keys while you're on your period. 628 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:16,000 You have to set them down somewhere, and then the husband picks them up, and you can't sleep 629 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000 in the same bed. 630 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,080 So a lot of times they have two single beds that they push together when they can be together, 631 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,440 and then they push them apart when they can't be together. 632 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,480 Yeah, oh yeah, it still happens very much now, yeah. 633 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,580 So like, yeah, coming back to your conversation, I feel like, first of all, the word homosexual 634 00:32:33,580 --> 00:32:38,400 wasn't even coined until 1868 by a guy named Carl Kurtbennie. 635 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,200 There was, in the ancient world, we understand... 636 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,840 Men shall lie with a man. 637 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,860 Yeah, we understand it today in a much different way than they did back then. 638 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:50,400 I mean, back then, it was never same status people doing sexual acts together. 639 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,880 It was always an imbalance in power. 640 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,760 It was always someone older, having sex with someone younger. 641 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,840 It was always mostly pederasty, right? 642 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,000 And yeah, I think we can all agree that that's not great. 643 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000 I think, hopefully. 644 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,040 You know, who knows anymore in our society we live in? 645 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240 Because there's nothing about gay people in the Bible, right? 646 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,240 Yes, there is. 647 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,240 Oh, there is. 648 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,240 Jesus doesn't say anything about it. 649 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,240 Oh, there is. 650 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,240 It's outlawed. 651 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,240 It is. 652 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,240 It's outlawed, yeah. 653 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,240 It is. 654 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,240 It's Leviticus. 655 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,240 I don't know. 656 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,240 You have to say, what does outlawed mean? 657 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,240 Well, it's against... 658 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,240 So there's an actual Bible verse that says, like, no man should... 659 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,400 What does the Bible say about homosexuality? 660 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,880 Because I always thought it wasn't in there. 661 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,880 It is in there. 662 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,880 The Bible contains a small number of passages that explicitly address same-sex marriage. 663 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,320 You shall not lie with a man as you lay with a woman. 664 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,040 It is an abomination. 665 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:41,680 Leviticus 1822, Leviticus 2013, prescribes severe penalties for same-sex intercourse 666 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,240 between men. 667 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:50,400 Romans 126, 27 describes same-sex relations as contrary to nature, 1 Corinthians and 1 668 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:57,080 Timothy includes terms like "arsinocoatai", often translated as men who practice homosexuality, 669 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,440 in lists of behaviors that bar people from the kingdom of God. 670 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,840 So yeah, it definitely does help. 671 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,880 I mean, just as, like, you know, if anybody wanted to be straight, it was me. 672 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,880 It's not going to happen. 673 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,880 It's not going to happen. 674 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,880 You know? 675 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,880 And it's like... 676 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,120 But couldn't you just swear off the activity itself, Justin? 677 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,760 Well, sure you can do that. 678 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,280 I

mean, but, you know, it's like, but if you're an alcoholic and you stop drinking, you're 679 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,280 still an alcoholic. 680 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,280 You know? 681 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,280 It isn't... 682 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,280 Sure. 683 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,280 You don't stop being an alcoholic. 684 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,280 You're always an alcoholic. 685 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,040 So, it's like the behavior. 686 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,040 What is the behavior? 687 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,120 The thing is, like, what would you swear off? 688 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,120 Would you swear off hookups? 689 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,280 I mean, probably. 690 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,880 That's not a bad idea. 691 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,880 You know? 692 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,440 Like, random strangers, having sex with random strangers is probably not a great idea, right? 693 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,040 The Bible doesn't say anything about that. 694 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,000 There's no one-night stands in the Bible. 695 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Right. 696 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,000 Exactly. 697 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Well, yeah. 698 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,280 And it's, you know, you have to take the Bible, you know, seriously, but, like, I don't treat 699 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,720 the Bible literally. 700 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:56,200 I don't do Bible literalism. 701 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,200 That's fundamentalism. 702 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,160 And fundamentalism is actually a very recent historical event in Christianity. 703 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,160 Some people... 704 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,160 It didn't start until the 1800s. 705 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,960 Some people actually don't know that Stephanie was married when I met her, and I sent her 706 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,500 husband out to fight in the war, and I told everybody to pull back so that he would be 707 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:12,500 killed. 708 00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:14,720 He was a hittite named Uriah. 709 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,360 Oh, my goodness. 710 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,000 Am I Jezebel? 711 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,240 You're Bathsheba. 712 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:20,240 In this scenario. 713 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,920 Boy, that is really difficult. 714 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,920 That is... 715 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,120 I mean, obviously, Justin, I, you know, not being religious, you know, I look at that as 716 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,520 something of, like, the Gordian knot to some extent. 717 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,320 It does seem a little tangled. 718 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:41,440 My thing is that it has to do with the fact that culturally, I am in defense of the West. 719 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:47,280 I am coming out in defense of our accumulated values, and those values come, as Marco Rubio 720 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,320 said wisely in your intro, your first hour. 721 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,160 They come from Greece, and they also come from Christianity. 722 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,560 And I think if you want to save your civilization, you have to save the structures that hold up 723 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,080 that civilization. 724 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:06,440 And so, even if I didn't believe Christianity as a mystical, supernatural experience, fine. 725 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,360 We need to have Christianity in our society, because even the atheists, like David Silverman, 726 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,240 who was the head of president of the Atheists' Association, realizes that if there's not 727 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,200 a Christian bulwark against Islam, we're all fucked. 728 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,200 Yeah, no, I agree. 729 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,840 We need a Christian society to save us. 730 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,120 I'm like Richard Dawkins. 731 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,360 I'm culturally Christian. 732 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,080 But not even another religion could fight it? 733 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,080 No, I don't think so. 734 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,120 Could like Judaism or Buddhism or anything? 735 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,120 No. 736 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,920 The best Jewish tradition of fighting Islam are the Israelis, and they're not very popular 737 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,920 around the world. 738 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920 But Christians... 739 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,960 If you want to have the society that we love, and we have built over centuries, there must 740 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:54,000 be two equal strands of the Greek ideals, as well as Christian ethics and Christian values. 741 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,920 Because Christians aren't walking into marketplaces and blowing themselves up. 742 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,920 Agreed. 743 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,320 Christians aren't hijacking airplanes. 744 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,320 Agreed. 745 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,320 That's not happening. 746 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,320 Agreed. 747 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,000 But the problem with that is that, in my view, it's a little bit more cynical, perhaps, than 748 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,160 your view, because I'm sort of like using them as human shields to protect me from the 749 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,400 dangers of radical Islam, right? 750 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,760 But I'm not like a religious Christian. 751 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,920 I'm a cultural Christian, but not a religious Christian. 752 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:33,000 And so, unfortunately for myself, I don't get to be righteous and bathe myself and clothe 753 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,360 myself in the cloak of righteousness of Christianity. 754 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,800 But I do think Christianity is important, but I also think in many ways it's

deeply wrong. 755 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,000 It's deeply wrong. 756 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,640 And I actually think that Friedrich Nietzsche was correct in many of his criticisms of Christianity, 757 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:58,120 because I do think that when you see the woke-ism of modern Christianity, that is an inherent 758 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,120 defect. 759 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,360 It is a weakness of Christianity that it allows itself to be taken over by the woke-ness. 760 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,080 I would also say this. 761 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:11,640 You have to choose your poison, because I was an atheist for 20 years. 762 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,040 We thought it would make everyone more rational. 763 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,280 If we just had free-thinking societies, people would be so free and everything would be so 764 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,280 great and we could dispel with these illusions, then we got trans people saying, "Oh, I'm 765 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,900 actually the other sex." 766 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:25,000 So it's like, that's a metaphysical claim. 767 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,800 So you kind of have to decide which metaphysical claim you're going to choose. 768 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560 Are you going to decide that people can be sold in the wrong body, which is a spiritual 769 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,680 claim, a metaphysical claim, or do you want to believe in a virgin birth? 770 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,960 So it's kind of like, well, you know, if I have to take the choice of the two. 771 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,920 But it also speaks into the truth that if you think that people are going to become more 772 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,720 rational or more reasonable without God, you're wrong. 773 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:45,760 You are completely wrong. 774 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,760 They're not. 775 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,280 We've proven that in the past 20 years. 776 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,560 People do not become more rational. 777 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,960 They do not become more logical. 778 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,000 They do not become more thoughtful. 779 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,200 They do not entertain debate. 780 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,700 They do not look at COVID. 781 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:56,700 Look at any of these groups. 782 00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:57,700 Yeah. 783 00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,160 We thought ignorance, the problem with ignorance was lack of access to information. 784 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,320 If everybody had an encyclopedia in their home, everybody would have been, you know, intelligent. 785 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,000 But now with access to all of the information in the world, it hasn't made anybody more intelligent. 786 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Absolutely. 787 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,680 So for me, again, it's, and I will say this, it's not, I'm not going out into the world 788

00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,180 like what we grew up in Austin. 789 00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:19,040 I'm not going out and be like, "I'm going to be like in the tent and do all the right 790 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,400 and for shake the bat." 791 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,200 For me, it's a very private thing. 792 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,600 It's something I do personally in my own private life. 793 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,720 I'm not looking to like, you know, go out and be like, "You must convert or not." 794 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:33,720 You know, but I do think that in this moment of time that we're in, coming back to old 795 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:39,440 institutions that have built society, I think it's an important thing to do. 796 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,320 Even if you don't, you know, want to sign on every dot and tittle, you obviously have 797 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,480 to figure out what you want to do. 798 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,080 And it's, and I will say it's very hard because you either skew, there's no middle ground, 799 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,240 it seems to me in this faith journey that I'm on, because it's like you either go towards 800 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,760 complete and total annihilation of your faith through wokeism or you go to these severe 801 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,080 strictures of the world that say that the world was built in literally six days. 802 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,260 And I'm like, well, so there, it's like, how do you, it's like, I got to be able to work 803 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:08,200 within something here and I can't, I can't go in either direction here. 804 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,520 So, and how do you reveal, how do you, um, alleviate the cognitive dissonance? 805 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,180 You just leave. 806 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:16,180 You just leave the church. 807 00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:20,560 It's just like, I can't, I can't reconcile this severe wokeism of whatever this is. 808 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,440 And I can't reconcile the, you know, that God made the world in six days. 809 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,400 Um, so I'm just going to walk away from the whole enterprise entirely. 810 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,600 And I'm like, well, I don't know. 811 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,000 I think if we can, I look at it as an artist, I look at it through symbols and like, I'm 812 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,640 really into what Jonathan Peugeot does. 813 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,760 I don't know if you know him or not, but he's a, he's a YouTuber and he speaks, he's an artist 814 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,900 and he speaks a lot in symbolism. 815 00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:45,600 And I think if we can look for me, it really helps for me to look at things in terms of 816 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,680 symbols. 817 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,880 Like even Carl Jung, right? 818 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,780 The great psychologist Carl Jung said, it's important for people to have some concept 819 00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:57,220 of God because it has to do with your mental health, how you walk in the world. 820 00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:59,680 You know, even the founders were like the creator, right? 821 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:06,640 They had in their, in their founding documents and ethos of this idea of a, some kind of God. 822 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,060 Many of them were dayists. 823 00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,880 You know, my boy, George Washington, he was an Anglican like me. 824 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,640 Yeah, George, what's up? 825 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,960 But you know, it's, it's I don't have all the answers and I don't have to have all the 826 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,960 answers, right? 827 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,120 It's not on me to have all the answers, but I'm, and I don't know, it's a journey. 828 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,120 It's a path I'm on. 829 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,360 I'm, I'm doing it because I care about the West and I care about civilization and I care 830 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,840 about the accumulation of what we have built over thousands of years and how can we preserve 831 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,840 that? 832 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,840 And I think that religion does play a key part in that, in that development of civilization. 833 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:47,320 I mean, when I went to school at Simpson College, I, the first classes we took were on music 834 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,320 history. 835 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,160 And what would you believe that all the beginning of the musical history classes I took were 836 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,920 all about Greece, the very, very first classes I took were all about the history of Greece 837 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,360 and music in Greece, because that's where it started. 838 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,880 And then we went into the Catholic mass. 839 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,400 So, I mean, those two kind of branches were the foundational educational basis of my music 840 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,920 education and everything we learned, like the chance of the Catholic church and all of 841 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:08,920 the musical traditions. 842 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,960 So, I mean, the Western world owes, it's like Rubio said, we owe ourselves to these ideals, 843 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,040 these, these Greek and, and, uh, Christian ideals. 844 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,480 They are two strands, you know, I don't know, that's how I feel about it. 845 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,280 Well, thank you for sharing. 846 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,360 I, I know that spiritual exploration is a very personal thing. 847 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,360 Yeah. 848 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,880 And I don't, like I said, I'm not, I'm not, uh, what am I saying today? 849 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,880 I'm not, I'm not a rabid foaming at the mouth fundamentalist,

but there's, there are points 850 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,880 of it that are very beautiful. 851 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,960 Like the music is beautiful. 852 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,960 The traditions are beautiful. 853 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,280 The candles are beautiful. 854 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,280 Like there's something lovely about it. 855 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,080 And it does sort of like calm you down mentally. 856 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,440 Like it does, you know, it's, it makes you just feel like, okay, I'm not in control. 857 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,440 I'm not the main character. 858 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,640 I mean, obviously people have written much more strongly about it than I have, but also 859 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,440 like we didn't, we didn't have like growing up, Austin and I didn't have any of the tradition 860 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,480 of the church as part of our education. 861 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,200 Like there was no understanding of like the history of the Christian church or like how 862 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,960 did the church develop and what went on here and how did people think about the church? 863 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,680 I mean, we didn't know who St. Augustine was. 864 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,420 We didn't know who Thomas Aquinas was. 865 00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:13,340 We didn't know who any of these people were. 866 00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:19,480 So there's a whole world of, and you have to remember during the dark ages, it was the 867 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,920 monks that were saving the Greek writers like Aristotle and Plato and all the great thinkers. 868 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,160 It was the religious people that were saving those works and being like, we got to save 869 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,740 these Greek writers and thinkers and philosophers. 870 00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:34,400 So that even when Jesus was coming along at the time that he was in, he was coming into 871 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,240 a very stoic Roman world, like, you know, with, oh, what's his name? 872 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,680 Marcus Aurelius and all those people, right? 873 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,960 All of that time, that's when Jesus was coming in. 874 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,840 So like all these philosophical ideas and Christianity, I mean, they're all kind of 875 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,320 melding together into this melting pot. 876 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,240 That is what created the West. 877 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,320 So I don't know. 878 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,800 I think there's some value in learning what these things are, even if you don't believe 879 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,640 them, you know, that's why I'm saying even if you don't, if you just want to like look 880 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:05,240 at things historically, it's still a fascinating history of where did we come from as a civilization? 881 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:10,040 Because we are being asked, I think today to ask if we want to keep these values or 882 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:15,360 if we want to discard them and become a globalist empire and just have be run by tyrants, you 883 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,740 know, globalist tyrants. 884 00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:20,360 No time to get into that. 885 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,360 It's 859. 886 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,280 Justin, thank you for sharing that with us and, you know, good luck on your faith journey. 887 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,920 I'm going to be interested to see where you end up. 888 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,240 It looks like there's you've still got a lot of like working out of some issues. 889 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:37,840 It's not it's not it's not it's not a clean thing. 890 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,840 I think if it is clean, there's something wrong. 891 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,400 If it's really tidied up in a bow and you're just like, oh, it's so easy, then you don't 892 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,400 need faith. 893 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,640 You don't need faith because you just have it all figured out. 894 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,000 So I remember I like I talked to a rabbi once because, you know, I was just like questioning 895 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,800 God and really just trying to like understand and even the rabbi was like, I don't know. 896 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,640 I don't have all the answers. 897 00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,760 And he said the same thing. 898 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,000 It's like it's just faith. 899 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,700 There's really no proof about these certain things. 900 00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:09,860 So even religious leaders will will admit that they're still exploring and they're still 901 00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:11,260 kind of figuring it out. 902 00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:13,720 If they're honest, I think that's all that's the honest thing. 903 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,800 It's like when you go to somebody and they're like, oh, well, do you just have to do this? 904 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,240 And that's the self assured kind of like thing for me is a real turn off because I'm like 905 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,200 to be the world is full of doubts and mystery and unknown things. 906 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,800 And I'm like, if you're just so self assured, it's like, I don't know, it's a real turn 907 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,120 off for me. 908 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,120 Recording stuff. 909 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,120 Justin, we love you. 910 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,300 Thanks so much for hanging out with us. 911 00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:34,110 That's today's Wake Up America Show. 912 00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:35,150 Thanks so much for tuning in. 913 00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:36,230 Follow the podcast. 914 00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:40,130 So tomorrow's edition is waiting for you, and watch the full show anytime 915 00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:42,470 at 4LibertyNetwork.com.