התמלול המלא של Can We Reverse Aging? James Strole on Longevity, AI & Living Longer|E54

to me that I had to die to have time to do that. 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:25.519 So I immediately popped out of my mouth, why can't we have heaven here on earth? 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:31.600 You know, why can't we create an environment that you know and my mother was kind of shocked and she says, Oh, that's a good thought. 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.120 Why don't you follow that thought? 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:34.000 And so I did. 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:35.680 It was in it was in me after that. 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:42.000 When I was in school, grade school, I wrote themes on it on how we could have, you know, unlimited life here on the planet. 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:46.240 You know, my teachers would come and say, Oh, wow, that's really interesting, you know. 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.319 And some of them would go, Well, where are you going with this? 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.800 You know, and but I wrote, I just was in me. 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:59.920 And I think you know, and we when you have something like that that's uh you know meaningful in yourself, you draw other people to you, you know, that have those same interests. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.040 So that's what happened. 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:17.519 I, you know, went through high school, college, and then I met in 1968 uh the partners that I worked for uh with for uh almost 40 years, uh Charles Paul Brown and Bernard Dean, who were then at that time speaking on unlimited lifespans, the possibility of it. 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.480 That was in 1968 when I met them, you know. 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:27.439 And that was exciting for me because that's what I was looking for, someone who was, you know, really talking the talk and walking the walk. 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.800 So they're very healthy, they were into all kinds of good things. 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:37.199 And uh so I got involved with them and to help, you know, push the envelope and uh the cause. 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:54.879 And I actually got kind of on the I'm a I'm uh uh also an entrepreneur and I had experience in business, so I helped uh you know fund the program by working in different uh fields of uh income and traveled all helped them travel all over the country and we developed quite a community doing that. 00:05:55.040 --> 00:06:06.800 And eventually we were invited overseas to speak, and then went to 26 different countries, you know, several continents, speaking on unlimited lifespans, and and uh yeah, that's that's how I got started. 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:08.720 And it was been it's been a fantastic journey. 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:18.399 Now in 2014, uh well, first I should say in 1995, Bern D and I created a company that we still have, I still have here called People Unlimited. 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:26.879 It's a community of unlimited of people that are looking for unlimited lifespans and and the science and and the uh inspiration for it. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.600 And we have quite a great community

here in Scottsdale. 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:34.160 And then in 2014, I uh went out to the longevity community. 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.480 I mean, a lot of scientists and doctors, Dr. 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:38.399 Bill Andrews, Aubrey de Gray, Dr. 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:43.839 Bell Falloon of Life Extension Foundation, with an idea of forming a coalition for radical life extension. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.240 They loved it, so we formed this together. 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:52.160 And then in 2016, we launched it with a uh the biggest super longevity event in the world called Radfest. 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:57.839 In fact, we just finished Radfest two weeks ago here in Scottsdale at Talking Stick Resort. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.519 It was a ma it was an amazing time. 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.040 I had about a thousand people there. 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:08.079 And so this has been you know my journey, and that's and I wrote a book here about it called The Gospel, the Gospel of Longevity. 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:21.600 It's my journey, and I encourage people to read it, not because I I want to sell books, just to sell books, but it's because it's a journey that I think will help anybody in the longevity flow, you know, and uh because it's a challenging uh, you know, uh walk. 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.600 Uh it's more than just what we think of just, you know, thinking we're gonna live a long time. 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.560 We want to we want to live with a long time with vitality and strength. 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.959 So that this book is about how to do that. 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:42.079 You know, I'm 77 now, uh, you know, years on the planet, and I feel better never, and my my will to live is stronger than ever, which is a real key thing, I think, because people lose their will many times. 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.319 They want to live, but they lose their will to live. 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.360 And my will is stronger than ever, and I write about that in this book. 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.560 So that's that's kind of the short the short story. 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:51.759 I I love that. 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:58.480 And I mean, I I loved what you said there as an 11-year-old that you know, why don't we have heaven here on earth? 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:00.959 That that was that was really beautiful. 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:05.279 And so now what is what is power what what is possible? 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:11.759 I mean, a lot of people talk about biohacking and they talk about longevity, but what does that mean in practice? 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:23.120 Like how if if I start adopting these things, and we'll talk about the things we need to start thinking about in our daily lives and and the techniques, but what what kind of an impact can it actually have? 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:34.159 Well, it can have an amazing impact, and this is something that this message that I want to get out to people that right now there's many

modalities and therapies that are tremendous to keep you alive. 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:39.279 As you know, Ray Kerswell has said, you know, stay alive long enough to live forever. 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:45.200 Uh because these exponentially these new therapies and innovations are coming across faster and faster at all the time. 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:56.159 And now there's therapies that that you know, Life Extinction Foundation, many other organizations now have helped, you know, put on the table that can keep us healthy until the next innovation comes along. 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:56.960 So that's the idea. 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:57.919 That's what I do. 00:08:58.080 --> 00:08:59.919 You know, I I do different therapies. 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:09.360 I I don't do there's there's a lot of things I don't do because they're not you know, I wouldn't advise anybody just to throw a bunch of stuff then and them because somebody's selling it. 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:10.080 You know? 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:29.360 Uh I think you have to be prudent in that and you know, check with your doctor and and there's a lot of ways now to uh and a lot of great enthusiasts, uh biohackers, like you said, that have you know gotten uh very pertinent information uh and share it to uh help guide you along the way. 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:30.879 Also, that's what my book is about too. 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:41.120 I have a whole chapter in the book, What I Do, you know, er every day and uh what I've done and uh how people can stay vibrant, you know, and and help heal conditions. 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:51.679 I mean, there's not really very few conditions that can't be healed today, or at least put into you might say, submission that uh you can stay alive and and vibrant. 00:09:51.919 --> 00:10:00.240 So this is important for people to know to step out of just a traditional I'm I'm grateful for traditional medicine, but at the same time, it doesn't have all the answers. 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.759 And now new answers are coming, and we all need to be privy of them. 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.720 Yeah, I I think I had a conversation here a while back with one of my friends. 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.840 She's uh she's a specialist nurse here in Sweden. 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:21.679 And what was interesting is we actually call health care sick care in Sweden, which which is actually very, you know, very true. 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:26.480 It's not about you know being proactive and trying to fix things before they come out. 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:32.080 It's you just got sick, let's try to fix, let's you know, fix those symptoms. 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:36.879 And and I thought that was a very cool, I'd never thought of it that way, but that's actually what it's called. 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:37.679 It's sick care. 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:39.919 Yeah, that's what we call it here too, in the States. 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:41.279 Absolutely, absolutely. 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:43.919 And a lot of the doctor friends of mine call it that. 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:55.120 They know they know that the tools they have for health overall is just to, you know, kind of try to, you know, pacify the sick situation that people are in or patch it up. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:11:04.159 And and many of them, you know, don't that's why several of my doctor friends have stepped out of that arena to utilize some of the new innovations like peptides. 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:13.360 I I was in an event recently that these doctors that were in there, it was all about peptides, and these doctors are so excited because they said, Finally, we have some things in our toolbox. 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:17.200 You know, so many of these doctors, contrary to what some people think, really care. 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.360 You know, they got in the profession, they want to help. 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:24.559 But but they've gotten discouraged because of the lack of uh of uh tools they have to do that. 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.039 You know, it's been about, like you say, sick care. 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:34.080 So now they have some tools and they're and they were saying, Oh my god, I can actually help people, you know, and so it's a beautiful thing. 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:34.720 Yeah. 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:36.159 So so share with us. 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:37.279 What do you do? 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:40.639 What's a start with what's a normal day like? 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:46.559 What are the things you can do daily, and then we'll talk about the more experimental peptides and cool stuff. 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:46.960 Yeah. 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:54.960 A lot of people worry that, and you probably heard it too, that oh, this is not this this new you know, longevity medicine is only for the wealthy or people who can afford it. 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:56.080 Well, here's the reality. 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:02.240 There's so many things, so many things you can do right now that really don't cost money or very little money, okay? 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.679 And that's what I describe in my in my chapter in this book. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:15.200 I you know, I I I have probably I probably have about 40 different, you know, longevity uh exercises and different you know things I do. 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:22.639 I mix them up during the day, but every day, you know, you should make you should be waking up in the morning first of all and going, how can I energize myself today? 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:30.159 Because we're so used to de-energizing ourselves, being these worker bees, that slave in a in a system, you know, that for survival. 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.240 So we should be waking up, and that's what I do. 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:37.679 I wake up in the morning, I I go out, you know, we're we're in sunny Arizona here, so most of the time we have sun. 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:45.039 You know, I'll step out and I'll salute the sun, you know, be

grateful for being alive, let the warmth of the sun, you know, hit my body. 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:52.240 That's important because you're you're waking up then, first of all, it's very good for your rhythm, your your sleep rhythms, uh, etc. 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.919 Uh it's it's the sun nourishes our body, vitamin D, etc. 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.519 There's so many benefits to the sun. 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:01.600 I mean, you don't want to bake in the sun, obviously, all the time, but but you need to get sun, all right? 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.200 Uh and there's other ways too to do that. 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:08.080 But so then uh I I'm I'm moving my body uh all the time. 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.639 The sitting is the new smoking, right? 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:20.080 Too much sitting uh, you know, it gets us, it sends messages to our body that that we're becoming you know dormant, you know, and and we need to keep moving in our bodies. 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:26.720 Like we're sitting here now, you know, and uh if I'm if I'm gonna sit here more than you in an hour with you, I'll stand up. 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.440 So I'm gonna move my body or I'll wiggle my feet, you know. 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:31.279 So movement is is vital. 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.279 Yeah, I I love that. 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:36.879 I mean, you I don't know if you see, but I'm actually standing standing up. 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:38.320 I got a standing desk. 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:42.480 And most of the time when I have meetings, I actually have my treadmill. 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:44.399 So I'm walking at a slow pace. 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:47.679 So I'm you know, I'm I'm never sitting still working. 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:48.399 Good for you. 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:48.960 Good for you. 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:49.840 This is very important. 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.600 So then the question there's sleep. 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:53.519 What is that doesn't cost us anything, right? 00:13:53.679 --> 00:14:01.759 We know we know that sleep, that sleep is probably the number one longevity you could do, you know, outside of new innovations that are gonna be coming. 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:12.080 What do you say to people, because I I I try to sleep nine hours a night, but I have a lot of friends who happily sleep, you know, four to six hours a night. 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:14.480 What what what do you say about sleep optimization? 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:16.320 Well, you just said the key word happily. 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.799 They're the program that that's okay to do, you know, and and that's how our society was built. 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:22.799 But I that's part of what I'm saying. 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:29.360 We we adhere to a system that wants us to be, you know, always working at something. 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.600 I've heard people from my friends used to brag, yeah, I only get four or six hours of sleep and I'm still going. 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:39.440 Well, they didn't look very good, and and and and and half the half the time they were sleeping while they were on the job, you know. 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:44.559 But most of all, they're they're they're they're not nourishing the regeneration of their cells, all right? 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:45.679 Even though they think they are. 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:46.159 They're not. 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:51.600 They're gonna have their their lifespan normally is gonna be shorter, and it's not gonna be it's not gonna look good. 00:14:51.759 --> 00:15:03.039 They're gonna they're gonna whether they realize it or not, what you do now, especially at younger ages, you're you're setting the pace for what you're gonna feel uh as you as you get older, because you're gonna have those challenges and you're and you're wearing your body down. 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:11.120 So sleep is a regenerative time, you know, and we need, you know, a minimum seven hours, you know, uh up to I think you said you sleep nine. 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.759 You know, I sleep, I sleep on average eight. 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:23.600 And and if you know, and when you sleep good, and and there's all kinds of ways, I think some people don't sleep very good, they have insomnia or they wake up a lot or whatever. 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.159 There's ways to change that, you know, now. 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.559 Uh there's really powerful sleep studies that are. 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:30.000 How can you change that? 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:34.480 If you have trouble falling asleep or you wake up a lot, like what what can you do? 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:39.360 Well, okay, so I would I would recommend, first of all, there's really powerful sleep studies. 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:40.960 I'm sure you have some there. 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.519 We have an individual that spoke here at this Radfest. 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.039 It's a very simple study. 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:55.840 Puts a we have a ring you wear uh uh for four or five nights, it studies your sleep, and then he can dial it in with everything from uh as naturally as possible. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:57.279 This guy is amazing. 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.480 I can actually send you that information if you like for your friends. 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:01.039 Please. 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:05.600 But yeah, we'll we can link to it in the show notes because I'm sure everyone listening would love to see that. 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:06.399 Yeah, yeah. 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:07.840 It's a very powerful thing to do. 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:17.600 Uh, but alongside that, before that study even came along, as you mature, you know, your sleeps your sleeping get worse based on based on what's ever going on in your body. 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:19.600 So I've used melatonin. 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:20.879 Uh you can dial that in. 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.440 Some people works for them and some people not. 00:16:23.519 -->

00:16:29.840 But if you dial, you have to dial sleeping is a process that I've experienced that you have to dial in. 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:35.840 It's not just a matter of, oh, I'm going to take three milligrams of uh melatonin and sleep good. 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:44.320 You might you might not sleep good, or you might wake up drawgy, you know, and so you have to maybe take less or you, you know, in combinations. 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:49.840 Uh I also take GABA at night, thionine, L-thionine, and different combinations. 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:55.440 And I've dialed in in a way that now I I I have a I have a I have a whoop, you know, that I wear. 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.879 I've also had had a uh aura ring that I've worn. 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.600 I've worn them both at the same time to see which is the best for me. 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:03.200 I like the whoop for me. 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:10.240 Uh but but now I've dialed in my sleep in a way that, you know, my whoops, I I get I get great recoveries, great sleep, you know. 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:16.559 And but it's taken it took me a little period of time to actually dial that in in a way that works for me. 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:29.920 But you can do these different combinations of of you know natural remedies that can get you there instead of taking ambient or other drugs that you don't really get s good sleep with with these pharmaceutical drugs for sleep. 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.160 They're they're really they're really detrimental to your to your health and your sleep overall. 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.680 You know, ambient after a while can cause a lot of anxiety in your body. 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:50.640 So if you be patient with yourself if you don't have sleep, you know, and move to diode in, there's all kinds of good information how to do that uh out there and and follow that trend, you'll you'll get there to where you need to get that sleep that you need. 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:51.599 Nice, nice. 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:51.920 All right. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:54.799 So what what else do you do in a day? 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:00.160 Well, I I'm I'm uh doing different longevity exercises all day. 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.680 Everything from different stretches I do to breathing. 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:04.400 All right. 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:12.799 We we have a tendency also to breathe shallow, you know, because we're you know feeling the stress for the day or we're focused on something. 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:14.799 Most people breathe very shallow. 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:19.359 Uh I do breathing exercises through the day, you know, uh very important. 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:26.400 Uh I do I then as far as I do swimming, I have a swimming pool here, red sa uh red infrared sauna. 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.480 Uh I have uh several different modalities here in my home, uh infrared lights. 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:39.519 The the the uh pro I'm sorry, the it's called a it's called a uh beamer, a beamer, which is uh impulse uh pulse bed of electro electromagnetic pulses. 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:52.000 I have a I'm I'm fortunate just down the street, about 10 minutes from me, I have a uh health spa there that has a numerous amount of different uh modalities I go to three or four times a week. 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.799 It's inexpensive in that context when you compare it to the health benefits. 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:03.680 So I'm constantly doing so many different therapies that that uh but you know I've incorporated it in my life. 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:05.440 Some people say, well, where do you get the time? 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.000 Well, you know, that's a key thing too. 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.839 We we are constantly running on the run on most human beings. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.400 And we go, well, how do we get the time to really take care of our bodies? 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:19.920 You incorporate it into your life, and eventually it becomes a part of your life and and you and you and it becomes enjoyable. 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.960 And you it doesn't take away from your work the work you have to do. 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:27.839 In fact, it it it benefits you to get that work done because it energizes you as you go along the way. 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:28.640 Right. 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:44.079 And so let's let's talk about the the things that are happening going forward now, like the the more kind of creative the you know, the things that aren't doing breath work at home, but where you might go to a doctor or treatments or special supplements. 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.759 What what's yeah what's what are you seeing as the cutting edge right now? 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:54.079 Well, uh I'm I'm I'm looking forward to the gene therapy field right now because I think like uh Dr. 00:19:54.160 --> 00:20:00.880 Bill Andrews of Sierra Sciences has got a gene therapy, for example, that can uh that's been proven in the lab. 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:04.799 All right, he's just waiting now for human trials, and this is very exciting, right? 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.079 This gene therapy has the potential to reverse aging. 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.240 Uh, and that's a key thing what we want, right? 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:14.799 We're we're we're we're subduing aging now, we're able to slow down aging, okay? 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:20.240 But we really need to reverse aging, and that's what this magnificent field is about now. 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.319 Uh that's what Radfest is about. 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.880 It's about super longevity, which is different than longevity. 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:33.039 Super longevity is about not just keeping people healthy until they die or or slowing aging, it's about reversing aging. 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.400 And so this gene therapy now uh that Dr. 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:46.799 Bill Andrews is working on, and anybody who wants to look that up and go to

Sierra Sciences, Google that, and they can see what's being done there, it's phenomenal and it's uh it's real. 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:57.359 And he's just now waiting for the human trials and money to to do that, uh, which I think within the next three to five years, we'll have a gene therapy, for example, that can possibly reverse the aging. 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:01.920 You could be 90 years chronologically and 25 biologically. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:03.119 That's the potential of this. 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.880 And even if it worked only 50%, that's a big benefit. 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:09.039 And so that's a very exciting field. 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:27.200 Then there's then there's uh Bill Bill Falun, the Life Institute Foundation, who's now working with uh with monkeys uh in a longevity test uh with uh clotho and a combination of other pharmaceuticals and and natural ingredients that uh are actually reversing monkeys, these monkeys age significantly. 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:31.839 And he's gonna be putting out that data more here in the next year to complete the study. 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:38.000 And so that's exciting because clotho is something that can really, you know, change the equation in our aging. 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:42.000 I see, and the scientists I work with see aging as a curable disease. 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:51.359 This is important to get because we need to understand that we're really we're really built as human beings to continuously regenerate in the right environment. 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:54.400 But we create a an environment that's not conducive to that. 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:59.759 And that's and this is what we're about now is creating an environment both with uh new innovation. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:08.160 Innovations that are coming out and and with with our mindset that we're changing our mindset around aging, that we it's not inevitable that we have to die. 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.480 It's not inevitable that we have to get sick. 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:17.839 Uh really our true, I'll say, ability and and power that we have in us is to continually regenerate. 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.680 But but but we do but we've been in an environment that's not been complementary to that. 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:22.960 Wow, that's really cool. 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.680 I mean it's so exciting all the things that are happening now. 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:28.160 And and what what do you see as like coming? 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.359 What's what's the next phase of of things that are coming out? 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:41.519 Well, uh Ray Kirstwell, who is the considered the Edison of the new Edison of, you know, this uh g US and and is known around the world for all of his innovations. 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:47.599 Uh he's also kind of a grandfather, you might say, of of longevity, and he's uh been to Radfest many times speaking. 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:50.480 Uh tremendous person, he's saying now. 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:56.240 And I I don't know how many people are aware of him, but most of his predictions have come true that he's predicted. 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.680 He predicted AI coming to the two scene now, which is has. 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:01.920 He's working with Google now on AI. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.240 Uh he's a genius uh in his own right. 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:15.599 And he's saying now that in 2032 we will reach the singularity, which means that uh we'll re we'll reach uh longevity escape velocity uh velocity. 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:21.359 We will be then uh regenerating faster than we're de faster than we're aging. 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:22.640 So this is exciting. 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:39.839 Uh because singularity is about where the combination of the body and science and and and innovations come together and and the you know join uh you might say join forces where uh we become well one thing that he expressed is that we could be uploaded in the cloud. 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:47.279 And he he uses the expression that we're all living a virtual life anyway, because people worry, oh well, that's you know, I don't want to be used up by the cloud, I don't want to be a robot. 00:23:47.359 --> 00:24:01.680 Well, we don't want to be robots, but at the same at the same time, he said there's a ability to experience actually immortality, you know, by by being able to combine the uh innovations that are here with the human body. 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:07.920 And so that's exciting because we're we need to get away from uh any limitation in our bodies. 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:14.079 And this is this is this is a this is particularly exciting because we're gonna be able to do things as human beings that we've never done before. 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:20.000 But it's very important, I want to I want to add here, it's very important that we actually develop our humanity at the same time. 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:40.240 Because with AI right now, for example, you know, uh it's been known that a fear, one fear is that we will uh d develop technology the technology that will could destroy ourselves, you know, because we use our all of our technology has been used many times for war and and and against you know defense and and against each other. 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:46.319 So we need to develop our humanity in a way that we uh are valuing our life here like never before. 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.960 And we're we're not destroying each other. 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:56.240 Uh and this is so important and now technologically because we're much more advanced technologically than we right now than we are our humanity. 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:04.160 So I'm really a lot about you know developing our humanity at the same time so we could actually benefit from all these new innovations without destroying ourselves. 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:15.359 So so how I for me, I think uh a big question is around the the singularity and and really what

that is, how that's going to work. 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:21.119 Because obviously a lot of people talk about it as simply uploading your brain to the cloud. 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:21.680 Yes. 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:35.920 But the question there, it it kind of, you know, f the in science fiction, right, they they talk about transporting and stuff, and what you do is essentially you destroy the human in one place and then you create a new one over here. 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:37.599 Is it actually the same person? 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:43.920 And the same thing if we upload my brain, is it actually me or is it just a AI simulation? 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:49.680 Well, yeah, I mean the Ray uh Ray Chris was written a great book on this, you know. 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:54.799 Uh it's called uh Sing Singularity, uh the the New Singularity, the n his latest book. 00:25:55.039 --> 00:26:04.960 And uh it's uh it's about that uh again, he said the biggest threat is that we lose our humanity, you know, because of the because of how we were advancing so fast. 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.720 And so you know that that's a a great question though. 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.480 Do we do we you know who we who are we really? 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:22.720 Now, for example, right now I at this uh event we just had Radfast, uh there's a company there called Praxis, they're an AI company, and they created a digital twin of me. 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:23.920 Right. 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:28.960 And and this digital twin I got, they've uploaded everything into him, okay. 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.640 It's called James Unlimited. 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:32.640 Uh I can I'll send you if you like. 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:33.680 Yeah, please. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.440 When it comes out, I'll send you my digital twin so you can take a look at it. 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:38.400 It's pretty amazing. 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:40.960 You can talk to it just like you're talking to me. 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.200 He speaks every language, you know. 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:52.079 And the benefit from me and this, okay, is that now I can send him around the world, duplicated, you know, to get the message out I want to get. 00:26:52.480 --> 00:27:05.039 Because he and and you know, he he he's able to bring two things to the thought together so quickly and and accumulate thoughts so quick that that it's it's amazing to talk with him and people can come up and talk to him in any language. 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:15.680 So so I found myself when you talk about you know you know who who am I now, I find myself actually getting jealous about him because he could do more than I could do. 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:21.839 And so I was I was laughing about it, and but then I realized that to the same time, how what a great tool, you know. 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:28.240 But the key of this, the key thing is here that this this digital twin does not have a soul. 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:29.119 All right. 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:34.160 Yeah, and and and then and this is where we need to develop our soul more. 00:27:34.319 --> 00:28:05.359 We do we as human beings have have dismissed because we've been in this environment of survival, our our soul and our soul contact with ourselves and one another, to really bring about the true humanity of us, and that's gonna ensure us to our identity of who we are, that and and and and distinction between you know uh the AI, you know, dig twins or or digital examples of ourselves or displays of ourselves, between uh that and and who we are as individuals and human beings that have a soul. 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.160 But we haven't we we've disregarded our soul. 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:09.920 And that that's what my book is about, too. 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.519 How to get in touch with your soul. 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:12.559 And what does that mean? 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:34.000 Not just, I'm not talking about some religious concept, I'm talking about longevity, the so that the soul, that primal screen in us to lie to be alive and that humanity we have that can feel compassion and love that that that a digital AI duplicate cannot do, you know, and that and that gives us the power over this the the this technology. 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:41.279 And otherwise we're gonna be subject to it and we're gonna be we're gonna be outsmarted, you know, and we're not even we're gonna lose ourselves in that. 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.039 And and this is so important not to lose ourselves in in this world. 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:59.759 But many people are lost already, you know, and that's why I I also wrote this book because there's a there's a human need right now, uh, because of everything that's happening, you know, more than ever, uh, to get in touch with this the the humanity of ourselves. 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:00.480 Right. 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.839 And and so what what are your thoughts? 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.000 What what do you think is going to happen there? 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:07.599 What are what are your beliefs? 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:20.960 Well, I I I think that uh we're going to uh face some challenges that we already are, and they're gonna be extend I think we're probably gonna get stronger challenges than than than than sooner than than we think. 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:21.519 All right. 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:35.599 I think they're gonna get things are gonna get you know tougher on that level until we, as human beings, you know, qu stop, you know, in our survival mode and you know, using these things to for greed, all right. 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:41.440 Now I heard a talk the other day on AI that was very interesting by an individual who worked for an A AI company for a long time. 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.400 Now he's in charge. 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:50.559 Uh he's CEO of a company that's moving to slow the A the AI down some, telling them, hey, let's take it, let's slow it down a

little bit. 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:55.839 He's encouraging everybody so that we don't, you know, create something that destroys us. 00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:07.440 Now, I heard an astrophysicist the other day, all right, speak, and he said, you know, most likely in our galaxy, there there's a good chance, he said, that there were other planets that had life on it, all right? 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:20.400 And but their technology got so so uh advanced that their their own humanity, you know, or or their own intelligence could not handle that technology and they and they exploded their planet up. 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.720 He said, this is the this is a possibility that could happen here in this world, all right? 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:55.039 If if we're not in touch with uh our our our intelligence as human beings and our humanity, we'll end up from the greed, like these companies is that this guy said who's talking about AI, he said, these companies, some of them are so bent on you know just moving, moving, moving to create AI, and a lot of us out of greed, unfortunately, and they're not they're dismissing the the destructive forces that could happen, you know, in this advancement, that we have to get back and go, okay, what are we really creating here? 00:30:55.200 --> 00:31:14.960 And so so this is a very important thing that we and our in each other that we are not happy, we're in this destructive force that's in us, uh, that we realize how vital human life is, and we move in every way to to survive and to live uh and to make the human being the most vital component of of our of this world. 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:15.920 I like that. 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.559 Yeah, I mean there's no point to living longer if it's not gonna be a good life anyway. 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.599 Exactly. 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.799 Exactly. 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:23.440 Yeah. 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:23.920 All right. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.079 Are you ready for a rapid-fired round? 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:26.880 Yeah. 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:28.400 I just want another comment on that. 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:29.680 Who wants to live in a world? 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:36.240 Yeah, who wants to live in a world that we're constantly trying to kill each other or survival like we're doing now? 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.839 I've had people tell me right off the bat when I talk to you about unlimited lifespans, they'll say, Oh, I'm ready to get out of here. 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:43.359 You know, it's too stressful. 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:48.160 It's too, you know, they they they've they've they've created some life after death that they think could be better. 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:57.599 You know, I'm saying that's where I come back and go, hey, we could have heaven and here on earth if we're all pool together and we'll and we'll get in touch with our soul and create this humanity that we really need to have. 00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:58.559 Yeah. 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.279 I mean, that would just be so much more beautiful, right? 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:01.680 Yeah. 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.640 We could all live in heaven now. 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:05.440 100%. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:06.319 100%. 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.240 So that's what I'm after. 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:09.759 Yeah, well, let's do it. 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:10.240 All right. 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:11.359 Rapid fire round. 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:12.240 Rapid fire. 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.160 What is what is one belief about aging you'd delete? 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.480 Uh that you have to be decrepit. 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:19.200 Nice. 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.799 What is one longevity trend that is overhyped? 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:23.680 Wow. 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:25.920 There's a few of them overhyped. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:34.799 Uh maybe taking too many things at one time, taking too many therapies at one time, thinking that's gonna you know, the the faster you get there, the better you are. 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:36.720 You you we dump too much stuff in us. 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.119 We're not allowing the body to generate. 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:40.079 Yeah. 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.079 What is one thing worth doing decades earlier? 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:45.039 Wow. 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:46.079 Uh sleep. 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:47.039 Good sleep. 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:48.160 Good sleep. 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:53.359 What's one fear about longer lifespans that you consider legitimate? 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:55.039 Uh running out of money. 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:57.279 It's a part of that heaven on earth, right? 00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:58.960 Getting rid of that stress as well. 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:00.000 Yes. 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.200 What's one thing you never want technology to remove from being human? 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:06.799 Our soul. 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.640 That kind of leads to this last one here, but finish this sentence. 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:17.519 A longer life is pointless without the the passion and love of one another and peace on this earth. 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:18.640 Awesome. 00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.559 So, James, how can we connect with you? 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.000 How can we learn more from you? 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:23.599 Where can we find your book? 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:25.519 Okay, so that people can go. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.960 The easiest way is just go on Amazon and order it there. 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.160 It's uh I think it's running out$15 on there. 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.960 I wrote this book uh in a very condensed form. 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.599 It's not filled with a lot of fluff, it's right to the point. 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.559 Uh and I think people will really benefit from reading it. 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.640 And and and they can contact me at w peopleunlimited.com. 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.240 Uh, that's a company here

I have. 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.160 Just look just Google People Unlimited. 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.200 You'll see our events that can actually we have events twice a week. 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:52.559 People can come on all over the world. 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:53.839 We have a streaming setup. 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.920 So they can come in and just, you know, be in the conversation, talk to me. 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:04.960 Uh my contact information is on that website, People Unlimited, and I'm always happy to speak to anybody and hear their feedback. 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.559 Uh, if they order the book and read it, they can come online and talk about it. 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.000 Uh, it's a great thing that we have these meetings, uh, both online and in person. 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:12.880 Nice. 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.239 And we'll link to all those things in the show notes. 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.559 And the book's called Gospel of Longevity, just to be clear. 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:20.719 People say, oh, gospel, is that a religious book? 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.239 No, gospel is good news. 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:23.440 It's a Greek word. 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:32.159 You know, as it's a funny thing that, of course, we identify gospel with religion a lot of people, but the gospel, this word gospel was actually created before Christianity or anything. 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.039 But but uh yeah, it's good news about longevity. 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:36.320 Nice. 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.000 So any final words of wisdom before we let you leave? 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:41.840 Well, I'll say this. 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:48.639 We're we're we're all divine human beings, but we haven't experienced let ourselves experience that divinity, and it can take us into a whole new world. 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.199 And and that's real that we can have heaven here and earth. 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:57.119 But but but not but not without being able to really get in contact with ourselves and each other like we never had before. 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.519 So I want to wish everybody the best and uh and many blessings to all of you. 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:02.320 Awesome. 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.079 James, thank you so much for joining us. 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.280 I really appreciate it. 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:06.639 Thank you so much. 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.239 Thank you so much for joining us in this conversation with James Strolley. 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:14.400 I really appreciate you taking the time to listen, to learn, and to work on yourself. 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.440 And I think you should acknowledge yourself for that. 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.480 Because if you're still here, it means you're serious about your growth. 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.719 You're not just listening to interesting ideas. 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.159 You want to take something from this and actually use it in your life. 00:35:26.400

--> 00:35:28.239 Now, this is my favorite part of the show. 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:36.320 Me and the Swedish Wealth Institute team have gone through this this interview and broken it down into five key takeaways that you can implement right away. 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.679 Because in the end, that's how we become 1% better every day. 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.840 So the five takeaways from this episode. 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:46.400 Number one, longevity starts with wanting to live. 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:51.679 So one of the important things that I think James was talking about is you have to want to live. 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.920 At 77, he talks about his will to live being stronger than ever. 00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:01.840 Yo, you can talk supplements, therapies, technology, and all the exciting things happening in longevity. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.519 But underneath all that is a much more fundamental question. 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.400 Are you still excited about being alive? 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.840 And are you building a life that you actually want more of? 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:17.039 Number two, start with the fundamentals before chasing the cutting edge. 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:30.000 James talked about some amazing technology, but some of his most important recommendations were the simplest: sleep, sunlight, movement, breathing, taking care of your body just consistently. 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:35.519 You don't need to access experimental technology to start investing in your health today. 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:41.920 Number three, make health part of your life instead of adding it as something on your to-do list. 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:43.840 So James does this really well. 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.880 He does a lot of things for his health, but he doesn't see those as interruptions to his life. 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.360 They're integrated into how he lives. 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.480 And that's probably the more sustainable way to approach health. 00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:04.000 Not constantly asking where are you going to find the extra time, but gradually designing your life in a way that taking care of yourself becomes normal. 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:09.199 Number four, the future of longevity is moving incredibly fast. 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:25.519 Gene therapy, regenerative medicine, AI, digital twins, and the idea of AI, of longevity escape velocity may sound like fiction, but there are scientists and entrepreneurs actively working on these things today. 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:33.039 We don't know where this technology will take us, we don't know how it's going to work, how quickly it's going to arrive, but it's coming. 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:38.800 And it gives us another reason to take care of ourselves now so we can be around to benefit from what comes next. 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.920 Number five, a longer life only matters if it's a life worth living. 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.400 For me, this was a huge lesson. 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:51.760 There is no point in extending our life if we lose our humanity along the way. 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:58.159 You know, James kept coming back to love, compassion, connection, peace, and our relationship with another, with one another. 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:06.480 Longevity should not just be about adding years to life, it should be about adding life to those years. 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.159 I'd love to hear your thoughts. 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.639 You know, if you're watching this on YouTube, please comment below. 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.199 Let us know what was your biggest takeaway? 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