התמלול המלא של Peptide Therapy Explained for Masters Athletes with Dr. Ink Young

education and having heard a few of your episodes, uh, entertainment only, um, and I really think everyone should work with their doctor and consider peptide therapies under medical supervision. 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.279 We can talk about what are what that may look like for someone. 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:47.759 So you might be like, how did she end up as a doctor of business talking about the peptides and longevity? 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:56.800 So I started as a personal trainer and nutrition consultant as soon as I was able to get certified and uh worked at the gyms. 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:02.079 It was the best job ever because I never paid for gym membership. 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:07.519 I actually first time paid for gym membership when I was 40 years old. 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.600 So um there is nothing better than that. 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:13.839 There is nothing better than that. 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:30.959 And um had an opportunity to do a lot of things in the health and wellness space, both in person, in management, and online, um, especially around 2012 when the online space for health and wellness was was really starting to build. 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:36.399 Um, one of the certifications that I'm most proud of is my precision nutrition certification. 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:42.879 It is one that I still recertify every couple of years because it is based on habit change. 00:05:43.040 --> 00:06:02.800 It is research-based, and it's really about meeting individuals where they are, whether they're someone who is currently active or whether it's someone who's just starting to think like maybe this is the chapter in my life that it would be easier for me to fit in exercise or competition or something like that. 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:09.600 So I really don't believe any one size fits fit approaches exist. 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:15.040 And I think that's really important as we're approaching the peptide conversation as well. 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:22.240 Um, so when I came to the United States, was here for my undergraduate, then I met my husband who's a chiropractor. 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:46.560 So I've had this interesting um ability to live this um intersectional life, working in academia, working in healthcare, non-for-profits, wellness, as well as be part of this conversation that naturally happens around chiropractors and that profession about health, well-being, longevity, and how do we stay functional? 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.920 And uh I've always been really curious about holistic wellness, biohacking. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:56.639 And I've always been a student and researcher of just wellness. 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:02.000 Um, and uh obviously now I just turned 49. 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:06.399 I have the desire to just feel better and age well. 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:11.199 And I'm sure you can relate to this when we're in our 20s, we just want to look good, right? 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.959 And then when

we get into damn good. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.720 That's why we're a uh non-video podcast, by the way, right? 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:26.079 Yeah, so but that's kind of like a lot of times our only focus as it comes into fitness and wellness and health. 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:32.240 And then we get into 30s and 40s, and we kind of want to just also feel good, right? 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.519 Now we want to feel good and live well and look good. 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:45.920 And then when we get into 40s and beyond a 50s, now it really becomes about living long and not just living long, but living well. 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:55.360 So I think there's two concepts that we can talk about in terms of the lifespan, how long can we live, but also health span. 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.639 So, how long can we live healthy? 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:09.360 And I think the research shows right now that typically the last 10 to 15 years of most individuals' lifespan is not spent healthy. 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:26.079 It's not spent traveling, competing, going to the gym, um, being able to go for a walk, being independent in their homes because we we struggle with chronic disease, we struggle with all kinds of things that really limit our health. 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.560 So that stuff is really, really interesting for me. 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:37.440 And I never set out to be um a peptide expert, and I don't consider myself expert on it. 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.200 I have just learned a lot over the last two years. 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:46.639 I really was a student and researcher, and I kept getting questions. 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:54.000 And anytime you hear the same question a few different times, I'm like, okay, we need to find some answers. 00:08:54.240 --> 00:09:04.559 And I, of course, wanted to find them for myself as well, because I consider peptides one of the tools in a toolbox. 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:11.200 So there are challenges at different times that we may want to target. 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.000 Maybe it's a recovery, maybe it's a metabolism, maybe it's sleep. 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.240 Sleep is a super common area that many struggle. 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.360 Um, hormones, inflammation, energy. 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:34.240 So what really fascinated me when I started learning about the different peptides is how the different peptides were designed to support the different functions in the body. 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:45.279 And then the more I learned, the more I really saw them as um potential solutions in the toolbox rather than the one size fit answers. 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:54.480 So um, as someone who loves talking about the wellness biohacking and longevity, um, I think we're gonna be in for a great conversation. 00:09:54.639 --> 00:10:08.399 So I hope that explains a little bit about my crazy background of 20-some years and how I've had really an opportunity to live in a lot of disciplines as an academic,

which is always a blessure. 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:17.360 I think one of the things you hit on there, and as an academic myself, you hit on it because it's like we go in a million different directions. 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:18.639 Oh, shiny thing. 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:24.879 And when you hear that same question over and over again, it's like I need to find out more about said shiny thing. 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:39.200 But what resonated with me and has come out in many of the conversations that John and I have had uh both with each other and many of our guests, uh, is when you said it's just a tool in the toolbox. 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:48.240 Uh and I think that's kind of what we wanted to explore because this tool, you know, you think about it, it's kind of a almost like a multi-tool because you said it at the end. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:55.600 There are peptides that can help with recovery, that can target certain medical things, that can help you with sleep. 00:10:55.759 --> 00:11:01.440 So I mean uh at least to me, John, I think that's something I'd like to explore a little bit. 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:02.879 Sure, yeah, sure. 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:06.240 So I did a little what is a peptide thing. 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:16.240 Um because I wondered, and I got interested as soon as I found out that insulin is a peptide, and which helped me understand it because uh Dr. 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.080 Young, I am a newly diagnosed type 1 diabetic. 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.440 It's a whole thing that it can happen when you're an adult now, apparently. 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:25.279 John transitioned from a type 2. 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:26.480 Yeah, why not? 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:33.279 And uh so a peptide is nothing more than a short chain protein, actually a short chain amino acid. 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:33.679 Right. 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:42.000 But it's a most of them are just signaling um species that bind to the outside of a cell. 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:46.559 Some of them are hormones like like insulin that penetrate the cell wall. 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:51.120 But they these are just most of them are just naturally occurring. 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:58.399 Your body makes them now, and you're basically just I don't know, adding fuel to the fire in a lot of the cases. 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:00.480 Um but like Dr. 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:07.919 Young said, if you're not doing that under medical supervision, like for example, some of them promote cell growth or cell regeneration. 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:09.039 That's great. 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.240 Unless you have cancer, you know. 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:24.879 So I'm definitely gonna start with uh, hey folks, do not go to cheapchinesepeptides.com and order some stuff. 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.480 I would rather they ordered Cheetos than not a sponsor. 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:29.759 Cheap peptides. 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:31.200 And I love the Dr. 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.759 Young, I

love the thing you said about the last decade or two decades. 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:42.879 Um like I I read everything that Peter Atia writes, and that's sort of foundational to what he says. 00:12:43.120 --> 00:13:02.000 Is you you get this sort of waterfall at the end of your life where like, oh, you know, you have heart disease, you should walk more, but I can't walk more because I've got a bad knee and I haven't walked in ten years, so you know I've got some hip, you know, hip issues, and it just compounds. 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.120 And at some point, the it's a storm you can't overcome. 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.080 So getting on this early, I think, is incredibly important. 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.200 But I guess the first question I would have for Dr. 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:21.600 Young then, John, would be uh what and I know we said you want to be under a doctor's supervision, and I agree with that wholeheartedly. 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:23.759 Uh but the what and the when. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:34.080 Where do you see people sort of hitting into this new media panacea in health and nutrition of peptides? 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:53.440 Yeah, so I feel like there are um there are kind of uh six um categories or stops that I would like to encourage people to consider when they're first thinking about peptides. 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:58.240 So obviously the first question is is like, should I take peptides? 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:02.720 Well, that depends, right? 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:04.960 Um and um I think Dr. 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.159 Fox was talking about this in your podcast as well. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:14.159 Is we really need to find as a first thing, what is our goal? 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:17.519 What problem are we actually trying to solve? 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.639 Are we looking to improve recovery? 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:35.600 Are we looking to improve our joint health, um, support metabolic health, reduce inflammation, improve sleep, maintain muscle as we age, or increase energy, which many of those are interconnected. 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:47.919 So sometimes you may have several of these as your goals, and um there might be a one approach that you can take that will help in several of them. 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:56.639 But if we think of those six parts that I uh mentioned, I would like to have individuals think of like what is the clear goal? 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:04.080 So don't start with peptide, because right now, like there are hot peptides in uh in the internet, right? 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:13.360 So you may be hearing a lot about one peptide, but that really may not be the one that you as an individual need. 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.639 So don't start with the peptide, start from a problem. 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.320 So why are you interested in that peptide in the first place? 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:28.080 Then as a second part is to look at the fundamentals first. 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:39.039 Um, and I'm taking us back a little bit because I think this is a really important question, important conversation to have because we all love new shiny things. 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:49.200 And and I feel like peptides, I think there's 29 more that we're expecting to be approved in the reminder of 2026 or 29. 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.240 There was a ton more coming down the pipeline. 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:58.639 So it really is something that the fundamentals are always going to be there. 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:08.960 And I'm gonna kind of just pause us there because the questions in terms of how is your sleep, how is your nutrition, are you strength training? 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:15.200 If you're over 40, you need to be strength training regardless how much time you have to do it. 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.000 If it's 10 minutes, do the 10 minutes. 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.000 But strength training is gonna be crucial on maintaining the muscle mass. 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.159 And of course, for many individuals, are you managing stress? 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.000 And a habit's as simple as are you hydrated? 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:39.759 And from research, um then when people are kind of like, Am I doing these foundational habits? 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.399 There's actually seven that really matter. 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:46.159 And some of these seven may be a little surprising. 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:54.080 So is it okay if we spend a little time talking about the seven healthy habits in terms of true and sustainable wellness? 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:56.799 I'm I'm taking notes and gonna change my life. 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:57.919 So, yes, please. 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:02.799 Okay, well, I hope to change your life, but I think you're already doing some of these. 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:04.480 So actually, I hope so. 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:07.920 The number one healthy habit is community. 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:19.119 And I feel like with this podcast, you already have one opportunity for community, but you probably have several other communities in your um in your life. 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:29.920 And if you're listening to this podcast and going, like, I don't know if I have community, let's find your community because the connections really fuel our health. 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:41.039 Um, research shows that those who pursue their goals in the community are three times more likely to achieve them, no matter what the goal is. 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:42.319 Like, how big is that? 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.000 That's that's huge, right? 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:53.200 So we want to think of like, oh, I need the new diet, new um diet plan, or I need that fancy exercise machine or these sneakers. 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:54.319 No, you know what? 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.160 You need to have a community. 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.319 So let's start from there. 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:01.279 Um, the second one is

nutrition. 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:10.480 So everyday nutrition habits in terms of eating variety of whole foods, making sure you are eating enough protein. 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:15.200 Um those are fundamental habits. 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:24.960 And one of the key nutrition habits I have noticed in my work with individuals over the last two decades is having breakfast. 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:49.680 I know fasting is a huge trend and it works great for some individuals, but majority of individuals, if they have protein at breakfast within 30 to 90 minutes of waking up, they're going to be able to balance their blood sugar levels for the rest of the day and they will do so much better in terms of their energy, the eating rest of the day, their sleep, and so many other things. 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:51.920 So, nutrition is the second one. 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:58.400 Third, we live in a world that our food is not what food used to be. 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:10.640 So, I do believe in strategic supplementation, in making sure we're getting some essential nutrients in that we're not able to get from the food. 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:18.400 Um, and if people are very, very busy and they're not having time to eat a variety of foods, then that might get even more important. 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.640 The Ford habit is drinking water. 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.440 It sounds super simple, but it's easy enough to do it. 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:36.960 So staying hydrated helps in so many different areas in terms of supporting your metabolism, suppressing your appetite. 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.880 It also has a strengthening effect on your immune system. 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:46.400 So great, great habit to make sure you are doing foundationally. 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:48.559 I think let me break in real quick here. 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:49.039 I'm sorry. 00:19:49.440 --> 00:20:09.599 Absolutely that's one of the biggest ones that I've noticed in my life over the last several years, and that I see so many people not doing the amount of caffeine or this or that the people are drinking, uh they're just not putting water into their systems. 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:15.519 And you know what it does to flush, to to keep the joints, you know, I call it greasing the joints. 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:16.720 But whatever. 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:31.440 To me, of the ones you've said, I like them all this far, but the the lack of water hydration, I think, is a key loss in society right now, especially as we age. 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:32.640 Absolutely. 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:43.440 And for many women, um, you mentioned the joints, but it also impacts obviously our skin texture, um, hydrate those wrinkles away. 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:45.359 Yeah, there's a there's a peptide for that. 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:46.160 I don't need to drink. 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:47.039 Yeah. 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:53.200 And it also impacts how well our brain works, right? 00:20:53.359

--> 00:20:57.279 When we're chronically dehydrated, it is not good for us. 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:04.640 So any of these habits that I'm talking about as a foundational habits, by the way, these are always working brakas. 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:12.559 Nobody's gonna ever be perfect in all of them, or maybe not even perfect in every just taking a one of them. 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:21.839 So, water, one of the really good strategies that I've found in practice with um clients is drink water before you eat. 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.200 Like just make it kind of like a habit stack. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:28.559 Okay, I'm gonna eat, I'm gonna have a glass of water right before. 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:33.920 And of course, carrying around your water bottle, having it in your back is gonna help. 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:42.319 But um these foundational habits are something that ongoingly we need to build mindfulness around. 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:53.039 So if if somebody's listening and they're like, I'm not really drinking water, take that as your as your one foundational habit, and it's gonna encourage these other ones as well. 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:58.640 So thank you for snapping me on that because we could we could spend a ton of time talking about each one of these. 00:21:59.119 --> 00:21:59.599 We still can. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.599 So we're on we're on four. 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.440 Water was four, I believe. 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.960 Water was four. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:06.799 Five is exercise. 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.839 We are really designed to move. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:18.160 If you think even just in a last maybe 30, 40 years, how much lifestyle has changed. 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:27.359 And for me, having grown up in a Scandinavian country, in there, everyday exercise is so much easier to come by. 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:33.759 When I'm in the United States, I have to drive everywhere because most of the communities are not walkable. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:42.000 Um there are remotes for everything in the United States, uh, which always makes me laugh. 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.400 So, how can we add any kind of movement into our day? 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:54.880 Um, I know there's always the jokes about the Weight Watchers parking lots and little things like that, taking the stairs. 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:58.400 If we don't move it, we lose it. 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:04.400 So ideally, we would like to have some moderate intensity exercise. 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.960 Ideally, we would have some leisure walking just because it's so good for our mental health as well. 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:13.839 And ideally, we would have some strength training. 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:21.039 But the basic exercise that we all just need on a foundational level is just to move more. 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.640 Um, so don't stress about it. 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:33.279 But if you can get a couple extra steps to your day and lift

weights, you're gonna be thankful that you did in 20 years from now. 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:38.960 Um the number six, this might be a one that will surprise you as well. 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:49.519 And I don't think we in the United States do very well with this because we are just so go, go, go, high stress culture. 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:55.200 But uh according to research, humans need a daily silence. 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.359 So, how do you do on your daily silence, gentlemen? 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.839 Um, I'm I'm probably approaching zero. 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.359 Let's see, I work from home usually with ear pods in. 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.640 Uh yeah, I'm approaching zero. 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.720 I don't drive with the radio off ever. 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.279 Uh yeah. 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:20.880 I think the only concentrated silence I have when you tell a joke. 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.720 No, that's silence from you. 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:24.079 Oh that's on your part. 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:24.720 Oh, okay. 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.400 Is like as stupid as it sounds when I'm cutting the grass. 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.799 Because cutting the grass for me is a very long process. 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:34.880 Yeah, but see, I'm still listening to a podcast. 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:36.160 See, I don't like, yeah, see. 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:36.559 I don't. 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:40.799 I I don't put earphones in, I don't know any stuff, and I'll I'll think. 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.599 Wow. 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:42.400 Wow. 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:44.640 No, I wasn't saying wow because you were thinking. 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:52.480 You I knew you, I knew you were marginally capable of uh marginally, but I had never resident fake doctor on this show. 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:52.880 Dr. 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:58.240 Young, say say more about this silence thing because this is intriguing and something I don't know that I've tripped over. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:06.240 Yeah, it is not talked about as much in our culture, and I feel like there is starting to be more awareness around it. 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:21.279 But silence really has so many benefits for a body and mind in terms of it's being linked to better mental health, it's being linked to improved relationships, emotional processing, um, enhanced self-awareness. 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:33.519 Um, you're also going to be interested in the research linking it to reduced blood pressure, um, stress relief, just a sense of inner peace and improved concentration. 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:44.559 And as I'm interested in how can we keep our brain working the best, there's a lot of research linking the silence into ability to be creative as well. 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:57.920 It doesn't have to be much, anywhere from five to 30 minutes daily seems to be that kind of a sweet spot in practicing silence and focus and being present. 00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:58.160 Wow.

00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.200 So it can look totally different for everybody, right? 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:02.480 Yeah, I guess. 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.200 Question are are you during the silence thing? 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:13.359 Because John and I at different times have you know looked at the martial philosophies in terms of you know meditation and stuff like that. 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:22.400 Are you talking meditation or are you just talking shutting the world down and you know letting the brain float? 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:24.480 Shutting the world down. 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:29.200 So this may look like a prayer walk where you're just being mindful. 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:49.920 It may look like meditation for some individuals if that's what they enjoy, but it may look like you doing your boring household chores, but you're just doing them without any distractions, allowing the the body and mind to rest and process. 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:51.599 Do you do do you do that? 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.839 Like, do you I try to do that? 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.279 How do you how do you apply it to your daily life? 00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.680 I do that during my walks. 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:14.640 So I love learning and I love listening to podcasts and books on audio, and I have really made um conscious effort, mindful effort to not do that during my walks. 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:28.240 And I do notice there is about this 30-minute mark that I often start getting really creative ideas, and then I have to pull my phone out and try to chop a few of a few of the notes down so I won't forget them. 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.799 But I have personally really noticed that. 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:40.960 And um there's also the stress, uh, cortisol reducing effects of both the silence as well as the walking activity. 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.920 So I think that is uh kind of a two-in-one from my routine. 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:51.759 Yeah, and if we do it in the morning in the sunshine with uh our water bottle with us, we're checking boxes left and right. 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:54.960 Yeah, exactly. 00:27:55.200 --> 00:28:08.720 Yeah, and I love what you just said because as busy as we are, it really is powerful to find habits that you can we call a habit stacking box that you can put together. 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:13.839 So if you're already doing something, what else can you combine to that? 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:21.759 And it might take two minutes more, but now you're getting it out of the wall out of the way, and it's more likely to become a routine. 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:23.119 Super interesting. 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:23.599 I like that. 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:24.799 I love the idea. 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.640 All right, number seven. 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.880 Number seven, you're gonna enjoy this one. 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:32.640 It is any guesses? 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.720 Do you want to guess what number seven would

be? 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.240 Uh daily pizza. 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:37.519 Throw stuff at John. 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:46.559 Number seven is the thing, and none of us probably do enough, and that is sleep. 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.680 Um that laugh was out loud. 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:53.200 I'm sorry, we're laughing. 00:28:54.160 --> 00:29:05.839 It is uh so essential for our overall health and well-being, and it it affects both physically as well as mental, mental functioning throughout the day. 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:12.000 And yes, there is that magical like seven to eight hours, but it can be individual. 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:25.039 But uh research is linking that seven hours of high quality sleep each night consistently to stronger immune system, better moods, better metabolism. 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:34.240 And if individual is trying to lose weight, the quality sleep is really helping with the regulation of hunger hormones. 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:43.359 I don't know if you've ever had this experience where you haven't slept really good, and then the next day you want to eat everything on site. 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:43.920 Yes. 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:49.920 Um, and that's really those hunger hormones um just being elevated. 00:29:50.160 --> 00:30:02.640 So if we can sleep well, it makes weight loss much easier in terms of easier to reduce the calorie intake and easier to have a healthy metabolism and fat burning as well. 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.160 I I I love that. 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:21.680 A, because I'm a horrible sleeper, I sleep poorly, but even before you mentioned sleep, um, if we go back to silence, I was I already was habit stacking where like I literally will listen to a podcast, shut it off, and close my eyes, and somehow I'm supposed to go immediately to sleep, which never seems to happen. 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.640 You've left the radio on while you're sleeping. 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:25.839 Yes, I have. 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:37.359 I have, I don't know, maybe I slept learned some things, but yeah, I I think I'm gonna adopt some some period of silence before bed to just kind of you know down regulate. 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:48.480 You know, I think I I now that I look at it, I guess you could say, because like when I wake up in the morning, I'll lie in bed and just sit and think. 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.799 So I mean maybe that's that sort of oh that's adorable. 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:54.400 That regulation of silence. 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:54.960 That's great. 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.559 Because when I wake up, I have I have the mental capacity of a toddler. 00:30:59.119 --> 00:30:59.920 I know, I know. 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.480 I have your diaper is already full, so really hard to like I start slowly, so there's no thinking. 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.839 But that but I mean, you know, and it's only you know, Dr. 00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:18.880 Young, like you're saying, it's not long, it's not 10 minutes, and I know that's that's for sure, it's you know, maybe five minutes max, but it's a start. 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:27.279 So I think that's where, you know, to use your term, and I love the term, that's where I can start habit stacking and putting a little bit more onto it. 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:28.240 Mm-hmm. 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:29.920 Yeah, absolutely. 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:37.920 And this is a great example just between you two, in terms of how there's not one size fits all in any of these. 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:43.279 It is just a question of where does it make most sense for your routine? 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:44.720 And then you practice. 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:50.000 Does it really work in this time or this part of my daily, daily life? 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.839 And if it doesn't, then you try it somewhere else. 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:59.759 So I and and of course we go through different different seasons as well. 00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:08.799 So what may work for me in my normal schedule during the summer may not work for me during a busy season uh during the holidays. 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:17.680 So um not being afraid or uh hesitant to try those different routines where it will naturally fit for you as well. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:38.559 Yeah, I think in the wellness space, the saying don't let the perfect get in the way of the good is is a big thing because uh I honestly feel that a lot of people try, you know, they read something, they listen to this podcast, something, and they try it, and they don't do it to a you know a 10 out of 10 level and they give up. 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.759 They're like, Oh, yeah, I can't be silent for a half hour. 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.440 Yeah, but maybe you can for five minutes while you're doing dishes, right? 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.039 I mean you gotta start. 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.880 I mean, we've had that conversation many times. 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.039 Get off the couch, walk for 10 minutes. 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.359 You know, so you're right. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.960 You don't build perfect habits immediately, you build a habit. 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.160 Yeah, I don't think anybody's got perfect habits if they do speak for yourself. 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.279 We all would love to be perfect, but we can. 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:17.200 And they the interesting thing about habits too is the old habits that we're trying to change and get away from, they're always gonna be there. 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:35.519 I don't know if you can relate to this where you have had a habit that was not serving your health, and you have made conscious effort to change that habit and you have improved, but something happens and you fall right back into that old habit. 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.440 Do you have an example of that? 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:38.720 I have one for John. 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:39.519 Yeah, what is it? 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.119 Is it

energy drink related? 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:42.000 Yes. 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:49.039 If you've if you've listened to any of the podcasts, you know that John and I have an affinity for energy drinks. 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.640 And uh, I don't have an affinity, I think it's a full-on romance. 00:33:53.119 --> 00:34:03.599 It was ginger, uh, how much it a couple episodes ago that she talked to us about the impact of it on blood sugar and and whatnot. 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:09.920 And John and I looked at each other like, this is like a recovering addict being spoken to us right now. 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:10.400 Yes. 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:17.280 And you go and it's like, okay, so we start cutting down on caffeine intake, whether it's energy drinks or coffee or or however you get your fix. 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.760 But then something happens. 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.719 You know, you have a bad day, you you don't sleep well, and you've got a lot of meetings at work. 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.760 You don't want to fall asleep in the Zoom meeting or the Teams meeting. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.119 So you crack that can open, and there comes the first one. 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.480 It's like, wow, that tastes good. 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:33.679 Yeah, six more. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:42.320 And I don't even think, and I don't know, maybe I've desensitized myself, but I don't think energy drinks work like we think they do. 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.079 Like oh, we're so numb to it. 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:50.480 Like a good night's sleep is a thousand times better than a mediocre night's sleep and an energy drink. 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:51.039 I agree. 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.360 You are not the same human being. 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:54.719 So absolutely. 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:56.079 Absolutely. 00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:56.559 Yeah. 00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:06.559 And like I said, we had uh she goes by the diabetes nerd, Ginger Vieira, on here, and she was talking about caffeine, and I wear a constant glucose monitor. 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.119 And um, I had no idea. 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.480 I was fighting trying to get my my my blood sugar down. 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:17.519 Caffeine is a serious, serious modulator for blood sugar. 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:18.719 I was like, oh damn it. 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.920 So yeah, the stem process it did to your blood sugar was nuts. 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:23.039 Yeah, it really was. 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:24.000 So you're right. 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:42.400 It's an old habit, and now the problem is I know, but every now and then it, you know, like you said, it's that band-aid over crappy sleep, and crappy sleep typically is because I'm not being silent before bed, and not being silent before bed is because of all sorts of so I mean it's a domino effect. 00:35:42.639 --> 00:36:00.400 Those we talked about the habit there, but you laid out seven habits, seven, you know, seven foundational

habits that if you think about it really, if you're into fitness in any way, shape, or form, none of them should be a surprise. 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:16.000 But I don't think any of us put them all together in trying to to to paint that metaphoric picture to to get us ready to take those next steps, you know, like you said, to diagnose the problem. 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:16.320 Right. 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:17.760 John's over here waving in the early. 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.400 No, I'm waving because I have the world's greatest segue. 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.199 Um so I thought segues were bad for us. 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:25.199 Yeah, just don't drive them off a cliff. 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:25.599 Yeah. 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:34.559 Um so we talked about these foundational and honestly pretty simple like things we all should be doing, right? 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:35.840 Well, easy to say. 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:44.559 Well, yeah, but but you know how many peptides address some of these things, and people like, oh, there's a peptide for sleep? 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:45.199 I need that. 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:52.480 Well, maybe you need it because you're not being silent and you're not going to bed at a reasonable time and you're doom scrolling for three hours in bed. 00:36:52.960 --> 00:37:00.400 Um, you know, there's there's a peptide for like skin, and maybe bursts is the water. 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.440 Yeah, maybe your skin will get better just if you were well hydrated. 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:16.880 I that's one of the fundamental problems I think I have with some of these peptides is they are the new, shiny, sort of dangerous approach to foundational things that we're probably just not doing right. 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:37.679 And I and I I have a hard time understanding like why would I be willing to risk, especially now where it's hard to get like under a doctor's care for peptides, like I'm gonna go gray market peptides or to like a compounding pharmacy or from a website, and because I'm because I'm not sleeping, like I don't know. 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.639 Yeah, so there's a couple different things on there. 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:51.199 So, yes, I love that we were able to get these foundational habits there that are the fundamentals that we can always do better. 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:56.800 Now, this is where the peptides would come in as a tool. 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:05.119 So sometimes people are just stuck, and sometimes they just need a little bit of help to correct things. 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:17.360 And I think the important thing about peptides is that we're not gonna get on peptides, for example, if we're improving sleep and we're gonna wanna be on a peptide forever, right? 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:17.840 Right. 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:32.480 So, at regardless, even if we're using that tool, we still need to be aware of what are we doing with this fundamental habit that we're living 365 days out of the year.

00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:53.199 And also when you are working with peptide therapy under medical supervision, you are cycling in and out of the peptides because as they are messengers, you don't want your body to not hear the messages that are naturally coming from the body. 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.920 You want to support that messaging. 00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:12.960 So, for example, someone to use a peptide, they may be on the peptide for eight to ten weeks based on their um medical doctor's um guidance, and then they will cycle off. 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:29.199 And as there are many different peptides that will target many different things, maybe the focus initially is improving the individual's sleep, but then maybe the cycle after that is more focused on a metabolic health. 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:37.440 So as we're talking about those six different things you need to consider as it comes to peptides. 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:51.199 Our second one was peptides don't replace basics, and that's where we wanted to talk about these seven different areas of habits that we can all always continue learning and improving. 00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:51.440 Right. 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:59.199 And it's always gonna be work around the awareness of how are we doing because life is crazy, right? 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.039 And uh, we're not perfect. 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.159 Well, we look for the shortcut, and that's the problem anymore. 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:09.280 But I will I will take the opposite thing because I was thinking about this, because they do feel like shortcuts. 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:18.400 Like I would love, you know, BP7157, you know, like I would love to just put something in my body that helps repair all the little knits. 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:19.760 I tried it for my shoulder. 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:20.079 Right. 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:28.480 And here and and the thing is is that yes, they might come like one side of it is they're a band-aid, but the other side is so is aspirin when you have a headache. 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:33.519 So, you know, I mean, medicine and science are there for a reason, too. 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:42.480 It's just I think part of the part of the thing, uh part of the problem I have with peptides is we're so early and it's not as regulated as I want. 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:52.800 And we live in an era now where people hear regulated medicine and they think like they they don't trust the science anymore, which is dumb. 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.960 But I don't know. 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.320 There's a place for these. 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:57.760 I think we're a little early. 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:03.840 Like I heard one thing that uh commonly with drugs, there's a thing called LD50. 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.480 It's the lethal dose of 50% of a population. 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:13.599 Like, for example, if you're doing something that was water-based, you would do an LD50 on goldfish, you know. 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.440 What's what's the dose to kill 50% of a population of goldfish? 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:19.599 That that is a found cruel. 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.119 I know, I don't like goldfish. 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:29.199 There's a foundational like like the science of bringing a drug to market, that's sort of a critical threshold. 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:29.519 Right. 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.480 You need to determine those things, and they don't exist right now. 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:40.000 So it's really the wild west when it comes to dosing and frequency, and we don't even know the things we don't know yet. 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:58.000 Like I I've always heard that with like especially with the broccoli headed kids, the 19-year-olds, if you take testosterone early, you you shut down forever your own your own possibility of ever making it, and you're affecting your reproductive health and and all those things. 00:41:58.239 --> 00:41:59.679 We don't know that with a lot of these. 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.000 Now, that being said, Scott, I want to take like four of these. 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:35.199 So then if you have determined that these are something that you would like to move forward and continue your research and potentially work with a provider to use for your health, um, when you mentioned the Wild West, I think what's really important for us to is distinct between what's considered research grade and what's considered provider supervised peptides, right? 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.880 Um, peptide therapies. 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:44.239 And this is really where, unless you're researching um this topic, you would not know. 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:55.599 I actually have a free peptide guide that I put together with some of the resources that I have found that's available through my links if anyone is interested in it. 00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:14.559 Um, but I have had so many comments from individuals who have um reviewed that PDF, and they were like, I had no idea that the peptides I can just buy from some website are considered research grade. 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:27.599 And um, and those types of peptides, they are often sold online and they are labeled as for research purposes only and not for human consumption. 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:43.039 Um, they're really intended to do laboratory research, not patient care, not for individuals, but they are being purchased in some cases for individuals to use. 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:49.519 So the potential concerns with the research crate peptides are that there's no provider oversight. 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:59.760 There's no medical doctor who specializes in these things and knows what they do and how they would work for this individual. 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.239 There's no obviously no patient, no health screening. 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:11.039 The purity of those products can be variable. 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:24.719 And there are certain research grade vendors

that are providing the certificates of purity and potency and sterility. 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:29.599 And but there can be some concerns with those certificates as well. 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:37.840 And then of course, there's no accountability or no support if something goes wrong. 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:46.880 So with research grade peptides, you may not know exactly what you're getting and who's actually standing behind that product. 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.320 Yeah, I mean, you you can go into your local supplement store. 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.199 I mean, things on the shelf in popular supplement stores, right? 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.320 I've seen plenty of people pull those supplements off and send them for third-party testing. 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.800 And even then, the active ingredients vary widely. 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:13.360 So when it comes to peptides that you're buying from gray market, and here's the thing that I think like man on the street, non-scientific people don't understand. 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:19.519 Sometimes it's not necessarily the peptide, the actual molecule that's helping you in it that's the problem. 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:20.960 It can be the substrate. 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:26.559 Maybe it's floating in macadamia nut oil and you have a tree nut allergy. 00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.559 I mean, it it's bonkers. 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:33.599 The other thing that I noticed in doing research for in preparing to talk to Dr. 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:39.840 Young was there are times that everything that you're taking might be great. 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:46.639 It might be within legal limits, it might be within medical limits, but then you're also taking something as simple as vitamin C. 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:47.920 Oh, synergistic effect. 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:52.960 Yeah, the synergistic effect of what happens between these drugs is night and day. 00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:58.639 So you're you're taking vitamin C to, you know, protect your immunity and yada yada yada. 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:07.840 And all of a sudden, you know, you're stickering a dog because that peptide that you thought was helping you as well just shot it through the roof. 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.119 And right, right. 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.960 That effect, that was one of the, I mean, we all know it happens. 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:18.960 That was one of the really surprising things is the level to which it happens from what I'm seeing in research right now. 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:20.079 Mm-hmm. 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:21.519 Absolutely. 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.039 Those are great, great points. 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:28.800 And I'm glad you brought in the comparison to just everyday supplements, right? 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.280 Because they're not always what they say in the label. 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:39.920 And that's why having um manufacturers that you can trust is so, so important. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.719 And

we've all seen the counterfeit supplements being sold from Amazon. 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.519 There's been some investigative reporting around that. 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.519 So you definitely would. 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:58.719 This is this is, of course, my personal opinion, is you would want to be under provider supervised peptides. 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:11.760 And when you do that, what you're getting is you're getting medical evaluation, you're getting review of the health history and any of these potential interactions that uh the provider can be aware of. 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:20.639 Um, you also should get a discussion on goals and symptoms and monitoring and follow-up and access to that provider. 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:25.440 Um, and you also get pharmacy quality standards. 00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:34.000 So, what what are we looking when we're talking about pharmacy quality standards as it comes to peptides? 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:40.159 We are looking at what's we consider what's called 5038 pharmacy. 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:56.239 And that is a pharmacy that's a licensed compounding pharmacy that is actually creating a customized medications for that individual patient that's on the provider's gear based on the prescription from that healthcare provider. 00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:22.559 So, in other words, the provider evaluates the patient, determines what medication we're calling the B peptide a medication in this official um um way of doing it, which peptide is appropriate, they will write a prescription, and then that 503A pharmacy compounds that medication specifically for that patient. 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:40.639 And the 503 pharmacy is then held to these standards that they will need to test quality um and uh make sure that that product is really what it's supposed to be. 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.119 So um I was and maybe you know this. 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.480 You we we keep talking about working with a provider. 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:52.559 Are there providers out there that will work in the peptide space? 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:58.159 There absolutely are, and uh and I think it's becoming a specialty. 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:11.039 Like we see specialty providers, and and and honestly, because of the the vast amount of information, ongoing changes, um, it really needs to be a specialty. 00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:19.039 So I have been able to connect with the group of telehealth doctors that are doing great work in helping people navigate. 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:30.960 Um and uh um individuals are really getting what I'm seeing as an individual stories are create great experiences through that type of provider care. 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:52.239 Um, but yes, it's important that um the peptide is not considered one size fits all, it's not a protocol that's just floating in the internet, that it is a customized, individualized medicine with the provider uh prescription. 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.239 I love that concept. 00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:01.679 And I think we hear it sometimes in a very negative sense when they talk about designer medicine or something like that. 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:18.400 But I mean, in real in reality, better known as reality, that's what you're talking about, is that under the care of a licensed specialist, they are looking at specifically what you need, and then they are designing it for you. 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:20.480 I love that concept. 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:36.079 Absolutely, and imagine how that experience is different now from that purchasing something that doesn't even come already made for you, that you're getting additional parts to use it from some other stores. 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:49.119 So when it comes to peptides, I think people really need to focus least to finding the cheapest option and most in finding the safest option. 00:50:49.280 --> 00:51:00.400 And the goal really ultimately is to support your health, and that always starts with quality products and qualified medical guidance. 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:16.800 So I can't emphasize that enough how important it is to have that individualized, customized piece and then ongoing communication with the provider as about, well, it's not like here's your prescription, go go use your peptides. 00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.840 It's rather how are how are things going? 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:20.639 What are you seeing? 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:26.800 Do we need to adjust something and and having that having that relationship with with the provider? 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:34.480 I think the big thing that you hit on there, and John's brought this up because this was he saw it more than I did when we were at a sports festival. 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:36.239 Here are the peptides. 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.400 Hey, we got a doctor here to prescribe it for you. 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.400 I'm sorry, I don't know you. 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.719 You've never done any tests on me. 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.280 We haven't had a relationship/slash conversation. 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:51.840 And there's this guy providing, you know, as John's saying, a script for gray market, basically. 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:58.480 You know, it's it's okay, put a quarter in this gumball machine, put a dime in this one, and see what comes out, and you get it and you go. 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:23.519 No, ultimately, we want to, and and we all know that medicine and the field of medicine is very expensive for us, but ultimately you're looking at, and you hit on this when we started our conversation, at making that last 10 to 15 years of our lifespan as positive as possible versus I can't wait to die. 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:32.800 I've got 10 years of dealing with X, or you know, in John's case, playing pickleball, or gonna extend my life. 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.559 But I think that's that's where we need to start looking at it. 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:52.079 And I think peptides have

that ability, but it's not the panacea that, oh, I need you know, BP 157 or whatever the number is to fix the issues I have with my shoulder. 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.000 No, I need to see the specialist to talk about what's going on there. 00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:57.360 I need to have the analysis. 00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:02.800 Have I hit those seven foundational sort of basic health tenets? 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.079 And then if not, what do I need to get that jumpstart? 00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:12.000 Because you're right, cycling it is the way it has to go because I don't want to shut down my body's ability to do things. 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.920 It might need to be jump started, but it has to be jump started in the right way. 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.760 You know, you both used a word that I was thinking of. 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.880 Um, and Dr. 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.440 I don't know if you know what are the costs involved in this. 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:27.840 Are they like, am I mortgaging my home? 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:28.800 Am I selling a kidney? 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:30.880 Am I uh you don't have kidneys at work? 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.159 Oh damn it. 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:34.800 I am seeing that's my yeah. 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:38.800 So obviously it depends on a peptide, depends on a dosage. 00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:48.639 I am seeing anywhere from about$200 a month, probably up to$500 a month, as kind of the the white range. 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.000 There are some peptides that are combination peptides. 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.679 I don't know if combination peptide is actually the proper term, but it will combine a few different peptides. 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:06.800 So obviously having the different different components of those types of prescriptions will will impact the cost as well. 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:17.599 So I think if we are considering doing it, like cheap, cheaper, like what is the true value in here, right? 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:26.639 So we know most of the things we invest in our health are probably not cheap in the sense. 00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:40.880 Um but I would be also curious to see where we're going over the next few years in terms of, I know, HSA type of uh cards and plans are already covering peptide therapies. 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:45.360 So that would be a way for individuals to make it more affordable. 00:54:45.599 --> 00:55:01.039 But we may see some other options for coverage um as these are getting more into um more into, I don't want to say mainstream, because they have these peptides have been around. 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:12.719 It's just now with the influencers and social media and the popularity of the GLP1 products, it has just become kind of the talk on the town, right? 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:21.920 Yeah, I was surprised to find out that essentially peptides have been around for, I mean, insulin's been around forever, but I mean, even these peptides we're talking about now, they've been around 10, 20 years. 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:22.320 Oh, yeah. 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:23.280 I had no idea. 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:24.400 Yeah, yeah. 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:30.880 And we know that certain athletes have been using them for improving their recovery and so on. 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:49.760 Um, but as we're talking about the individualization, I also want to point out that just because something worked for the athlete or the influencer or the friend doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right fit for us or you or me or the individual. 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:57.039 So um the healthcare really needs to be personal and trends are never personal. 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:58.239 Let me say that again. 00:55:58.400 --> 00:55:58.880 Oh, yeah. 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:04.000 So health needs to be personal and trends never are. 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.480 So I think that's really important thing to keep in mind. 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:12.719 Oh, so so my career, my Korean skincare routine that I got from somebody on Instagram. 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:13.440 What? 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:18.960 I spent$8,000 this month on creams made from bird nests. 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.159 No, but but that's that's sort of the thing, though, right? 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:32.880 Like, I mean, and this is gonna label me as old, but kid, these damn kids today, they see it on TikTok. 00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:39.360 They are way more likely to believe it than if an old man tells them John, young LA doctor. 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:41.840 Yeah, young LA, exactly. 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:43.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.280 And especially then with AI. 00:56:45.599 --> 00:57:01.679 Um, I was actually on a call earlier today where they told me um the conversation was around AI now being able to um distinct if before and after pictures are truly before and after pictures. 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:02.320 Oh, really? 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:10.960 Because there are there are so many before and after pictures floating on around an internet that are not truly the before and after. 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:22.639 So some of these um agencies that are trying to make sure that that's not happening, there's actually uh AI software that now can distinct, which is is kind of interesting. 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:42.559 So we really need to need to not just believe our eyes, but really kind of dive into that um that responsibility that we're taking for our health and for also for our research and asking about the questions in terms of what is the peptide designed to do? 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:43.840 What are the risks? 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:45.599 What are the benefits? 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.159 How long is it typically used? 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:50.800 How can I measure success, right? 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:55.599 That's always the important question of any actions that we take for our health. 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:07.039 And most

importantly, as we refer back to those seven habits, what lifestyle changes should go along with that peptide therapy? 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.679 And really helping people think long term. 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.199 I think this is like one of my favorite things to talk about. 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:20.960 That I think people should ask themselves whether they're looking for a quick fix or long-term strategy. 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:23.360 Quick fix, I guess quick fix. 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:24.559 Everybody's looking for a quick fix. 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:25.599 I think that's the thing we should do. 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:28.159 Absolutely. 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:54.320 And that's where we need to be honest with ourselves because the people who do the best are usually the ones who see peptides as a tool, uh, part of the broader health plan and as a complement to other health habits that they're trying to build, not as a replacement for them. 00:58:54.559 --> 00:59:06.320 And um, I had an opportunity because I have been around wellness for so long, early 2000s, when the weight loss surgeries were getting popular, they were first coming and getting popular. 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:32.559 And um at that time, which somebody was telling me recently that um insurance companies no longer, I guess, require the counseling that those initial individuals that were going through the weight loss surgeries, there was a very extensive counseling and behavior modification and um um healthier happy counseling that went along with that surgery. 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:39.440 So, yes, the surgery was a tool, but it was also a part of the broader health plan. 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:48.719 And the individual was building these healthier habits that were then allowing them to keep the weight off in long term. 00:59:49.199 --> 01:00:01.360 So I think we need to look at that with the peptides and especially with the GLB1 medications now, because many are using that pot peptide specifically for weight loss. 01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:11.280 Um, research shows that there are several other benefits, especially um based on what I have um seen in the micro dosing way. 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:26.320 But if individuals are taking that particular product for weight loss, are they gonna be staying on those doses or having to increase the doses for the rest of their lives? 01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:30.400 And then now we're talking about that long-term exposure. 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:36.400 We're still have the concern of maintaining muscle mass, especially if that weight loss is fast. 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.280 Um, the concern for bone density. 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:46.159 So, yes, we may be losing the weight, but are we improving our health in the process? 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:50.960 Because ultimately, why we want to lose weight is to improve our health. 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:54.559 So I think those are all really important things to consider. 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:55.440 No, I agree. 01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:05.199 And uh, you know, just to to pile on to what you just said, they put me on Manjaro um very early in trying to control my blood sugar. 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:11.119 And I am I'm not overweight, I go to the gym, I eat pretty well. 01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:18.480 And I stopped and I didn't stop because it didn't work, absolutely worked, but I it shredded you. 01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:27.199 Yeah, as much as I was losing fat, I was also losing muscle, and everything I've read says that skeletal muscle is so protective as you get older. 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:31.760 And I just, you know, I weighed the benefits, and I'm like, there's gotta be another way. 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:34.000 I yeah, I I agree. 01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:35.199 But what have you? 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.400 I'm sorry, go ahead. 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:37.760 No, please, go ahead. 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:43.760 I would love to hear what you have found that has worked for you in terms of balancing your blood sugar levels. 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.719 Well, honestly, so new diagnosis. 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:47.679 Yeah, basically. 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.800 So I and I'm I'm like an evangelist for this now. 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:56.159 Um, I was diagnosed type two maybe 10 years ago. 01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:02.800 Um I weighed 325, I was muscular but fluffy. 01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:09.920 Um when I was diagnosed, I literally did everything and lost about 80, 90 pounds. 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:10.480 Yeah. 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:16.960 Um, slowly and carefully and kind of well, but my blood sugar was still crap. 01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:27.360 And I have been on all the drugs, metformin, jardians, you know, whatever you're watching during prime TV, if you see a drug commercial I've probably been on except for the wet AMD one. 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:28.639 I think that's your eyes. 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:32.639 Um and then they did the Manjaro thing. 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:39.280 And I've actually been contemplating going back to it at like a micro dose because they they ramp up your dosing. 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:43.840 And I started at I think 0.2 milligrams and got up to like 10. 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:48.000 And at 10, I didn't want to eat. 01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:55.360 Literally, I you know, I looked ready for the stage when it came to like a bodybuilder, but I felt awful. 01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:56.880 We looked awful. 01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:02.800 Yeah, you looked it, but I mean I remember workouts we had, and yet you expect some muscular loss of strength. 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.960 But you just you hemorrhaged strength. 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.159 Yeah, so so that all happened, and I got off that. 01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:16.159 Well, we we just had a um a diabetes uh diabetic nerd. 01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:17.760 Yeah, the diabetic nerd. 01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:21.679 And uh she's not a doctor, but she's she's not unlike you.

01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:27.280 She's passionate in the space and and aggregates basically all the information that's findable. 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:33.199 And uh she goes, Have you ever heard of Lada, late-onset type 1 diabetic? 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:39.599 And she goes, Ask your doctor to do these two tests, and I did, and they did, and it was, and I am. 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.800 So now I can't I categorize myself as a type one. 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:53.440 They put me on very low dose insulin, well, with meals, and uh boy, my blood sugars are so much different and better. 01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:59.199 And it it's frustrating, and I think it's part of the reason that drives this podcast. 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:05.760 I spent 10 years sort of sort of feeling shitty about myself because I'm like, why can't I solve this? 01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.119 And you have the weirdest peaks too. 01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:09.760 Oh, yeah. 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:14.800 If I extra if I like if Scott and I were in a gym and I was hitting it really hard, my blood sugar would go up. 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:16.639 I mean, how counterintuitive. 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.760 But that's I guess that's very type one issue. 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:34.480 So I think that all that all my sob story goes back to what you said is you need a healthcare professional, or you you you need a health professional in your corner when you're doing any of these things. 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:35.920 But you need a journey, John. 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:42.719 I think is a big thing I'm taking from tonight as far as it's not a you know, stick needle in it, it's done. 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:50.639 It's you've got to have the counsel, you've got to have the foundation, you've got to have all of those things that sort of build that path that you're going to follow. 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:51.119 Right. 01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:59.920 But even before you get there, like I'm doing the math in my head and I could be spending between like three and five thousand dollars a year on a pepti uh peptide. 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:05.360 Uh maybe, you know, you know, water is I already pay for water, I take baths in it. 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:06.159 It's glorious. 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:07.199 Don't drink that water. 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:08.159 No, I don't drink that water. 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:08.559 You're right. 01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:09.119 Good point. 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.719 But I mean a walk, cost-free, right? 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:15.440 Proper nutrition, you're buying food anyway. 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:16.480 Buy the right food. 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:16.960 Yeah. 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:22.239 It's so silly, and I'm sure it frustrates a lot of medical professionals. 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:25.440 It's like, hey, hey, doc, I need this drug. 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:26.400 Oh, okay. 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:27.760 Um, what did you have for breakfast? 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:32.320 Well, you

know, I went to McDonald's and I had uh well, Megan talked about the right breakfast sandwiches. 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:33.280 Tell me what you're having. 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:37.199 Okay, so you're taking cream Okay, that's great. 01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:44.480 Tell me that you're taking it before we start running these tests so we can tailor these tests to find out specifically what it is. 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:45.760 And I think that's it. 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:46.800 You know, and and Dr. 01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:55.360 Young, you hit on it when you said you know, back in the early 2000s when they were having, you know, the gastric bypass surgeries or the stomach staplings or the whatever. 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.599 You were mandated to get counseling as well. 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:07.920 And that even drifted from the the truly grossly obese, bed trapped people. 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:15.039 You started to see that trend into a more well, you know, I'm 40 pounds overweight and I can't seem to get it off. 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:16.639 Maybe I need that surgery. 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:26.239 But that's that's where I'm going with that is that counseling that I think that we need to get back to in medicine, having that relationship. 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:28.960 You guys want to open a peptide clinic with me? 01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:34.079 I think I think there's a there's space down the hall in the studio or what? 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:34.639 Why not? 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:36.480 We'll use the we'll use the spare studio. 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:38.559 Uh Dr. 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.880 Young, have you have you done any of these peptides? 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:42.719 Have you tried any of these peptides? 01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:48.480 I have more so been an interesting um bystander. 01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:53.840 I have a very large community that have done a variety of ones. 01:06:54.000 --> 01:07:08.320 Actually, um, one of my dearest friends, she is a great um in one in terms of um really the life-changing effect of peptides, specifically that PBC 157. 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:16.159 Yeah, she had had uh years of um challenge with sciatica and nothing was helping. 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.760 And within three weeks, she saw significant improvements and has continued to improve. 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:22.480 Come on. 01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:33.280 So the more I am witnessing these obviously individual results vary, and these these are individuals that are working with uh providers. 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:38.719 The more I am witnessing them, the more I am going, like, you know what? 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:47.039 There is definitely something here because I am seeing people get results. 01:07:47.280 --> 01:08:07.280 And um, anytime when people ask me what peptides I've personally tried, I really go back to um, like I like to take a step back and um explain why I became interested in these in the first place, because we never know when these challenges show up, right? 01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:22.159 Like we can do all these foundational habits and we should be doing all these foundational habits, but like the um example I shared with my good girlfriend, she actually is training currently for one of those hydrox events. 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:22.720 Oh god. 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:27.199 Where they're yeah, so she is in her 60s. 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:28.000 Oh, that's awesome. 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:37.680 Wanting to be fit, but she had this injury that was really holding her back from her health and lifestyle that she wanted. 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:44.239 And um, it was really, really cool to see and uh witness that improvement on her. 01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:51.600 So um it really fascinates me to learn how these different individuals are doing with peptides. 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:55.359 And I'm I'm always so thankful when people share their stories with me. 01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:05.600 Um and uh it lets me learn in uh in uh uh as a non-medical professional in the clinical way, seeing what's what's working out there. 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:09.760 All I can say about the example you just shared is damn, yeah, right. 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.199 I tell you, I still there's there's four of these I still want to try. 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:14.000 Yeah. 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:23.439 I know it's um it's hard to not be believer once you are seeing some of these results. 01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:34.399 And um, I thought it might be interesting for us to talk about a few different ones that might be some of the ones that you hear in the media. 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:34.880 Sure. 01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:43.600 But um just to kind of let the listeners to understand and maybe hear some of the names and what they might be used for. 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:44.000 Yep. 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.000 So pick your favorites. 01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:50.399 Okay, so obviously we hear so much about the GLP ones. 01:09:50.800 --> 01:10:05.119 Um uh tarcepatide is one that I am seeing um many use under provider supervision that is being used for appetite regulation, blood sugar management. 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:15.199 The blood sugar management is a huge issue in the United States, and it has a significant impact on individuals' well-being. 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:25.600 I think um, I think the the percentage is like 70 or 80 percent of individuals, 40 plus, have challenges with their blood sugar management. 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:39.520 And obviously, there are some uh natural supplements that I've also seen research and um I've witnessed in the in a kind of clinical way of them working, but this one is also helping solve that. 01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:47.840 Um, obviously, the improvements in metabolic health, weight management, and the interesting one is the reduction in the food noise. 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:54.239 Um, that is one that um seems to be um a big for many of the women. 01:10:54.399 -->

01:11:05.039 We're also seeing some research that say that there may be uh connections to other habits, such as like drinking alcohol. 01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:11.840 So it's not just reducing the food noise, it's also reducing the the cravings for alcohol and so on. 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:25.119 Yeah, I know from when I was on Manjaro, like it is it is weird, and I don't know that you can completely explain to somebody, but the sudden disinterest in food is odd. 01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:26.800 It's just odd. 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:37.279 Like it, it's not like it was revolting, it's not like uh like I knew I didn't want it, I just didn't think about food, and it it was a something. 01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:42.800 And I and I've seen one of the newer peptides that come out the Reditrutide, Redomice. 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:44.079 I hope I'm saying that right. 01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:50.560 Um yeah, I believe that is currently not available under physician's um guidance. 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:55.600 Yeah, that is only available as uh as a research crate product at this time. 01:11:55.840 --> 01:12:02.399 Yeah, but I think that's sort of the next one because you know it's it's got that third agonist. 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:11.840 I I forget the the letters of it, but it it does it's and it's supposed to be a little more muscle protective, but we'll see. 01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:12.800 We'll see. 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:17.279 Yeah, there's definitely going to be more information coming out on that. 01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:35.600 Um, and most people really see the GLP ones as a weight loss medication, but I think they really are a metabolic health tool, especially as it comes to the microdosing um that we're seeing, seeing um in um in some of the research. 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:44.800 Then obviously, for any of us over 40, the recovery and injury support is a huge interest as it comes to peptides. 01:12:45.039 --> 01:13:06.720 So the PBC 157 is one that many have heard, and that could have benefits for recovery support, tendon support, ligament support, muscle recovery, and also some benefits um um for potentially for gut support, gut health. 01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:24.640 Um and for our age group, I think this peptide is interesting because recovery often takes longer as we age and it becomes more and more important part of being able to do the things that we we want to do. 01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:27.920 So this could be uh a really valuable. 01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:41.920 And um, I have had um conversations with individuals who've had who've used this peptide in preparation for um for surgeries uh after surgeries. 01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:46.479 Oh um, they've used it to recover from injuries and so on as well. 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:55.439 I've actually used this one when you know we've talked quite a bit about it in you know through all the shows with the issues I have with my shoulder. 01:13:55.760 --> 01:14:04.159 When it first started flaring up, I used it

for I want to say 60 days-ish, you know, right around two months. 01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:08.720 And it helped, but I didn't see the results that I thought. 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:10.720 So I discontinued it. 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:19.600 But it was at a point where the pain wasn't, ladies and gentlemen, it may have helped, but he also was overhead pressing like a a small Buick. 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:25.840 So I don't know that he was giving his body necessarily a fighting chance, but that's whatever. 01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.159 That was the most sideways compliment. 01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:29.439 No, there's no compliment there. 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:30.560 Don't don't take it the wrong way. 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.640 I don't know if I was pressing a small Buick. 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:33.279 That's a compliment. 01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:37.920 You're basically spraying water and gasoline on a fire at the same time. 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:50.079 But I mean, no, it you know, you say you've talked to people who've used it, and yeah, you know, it and that one is commercially available without you know having um being under medical care. 01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:55.520 You you you you can find those out there, and that's I think that's part of what we've addressed a little bit tonight. 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:58.479 So what's the next one you got for us? 01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:10.560 The next one I thought I would mention is sort morelin, and that is one related to muscle preservation and healthy aging and um what it's being used for. 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:16.079 I think you may have mentioned this at the very beginning, um, supporting natural growth hormone production. 01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:16.640 Amen. 01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:17.680 That's on my list. 01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:27.680 Yeah, it also can have some benefits into recovery, sleep, obviously, muscle maintenance, and then overall healthy aging. 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:39.840 Um, it is interest, I think, for us over 40, just because we become increasingly aware of the mobility, the bone health, the independence, and the metabolism. 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:43.119 And we need the muscle for all those things. 01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:51.760 So, really, the from building muscle to preserving muscle, I think that one is is an interest for for many. 01:15:52.079 --> 01:16:05.439 Um, and then NAD plus, I feel like this one is one that it is obviously for energy and longevity, but I feel like this is a peptide that most individuals have heard more. 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:16.640 Um, it is used for cellular energy production, mitochondrial support, mental clarity, recovery, and healthy aging. 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:22.800 And um, the NAD um plus levels naturally decline with age. 01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:27.600 There's this graph where you can just see the dip that you get. 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:34.399 And uh that's why this one is, I think, a great interest for anyone, anyone over 40. 01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:34.640 Yeah. 01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:38.000 Um that one I ran into, like, I knew that existed. 01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.960 Like you can go to you can go to like your general nutrition place and get that over the counter. 01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:44.880 That that's been around for a little bit. 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.800 And uh one of the people I follow on Instagram that I actually listen to, Dr. 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:59.199 Gabrielle Lyon, is is very large on the N A N A D and the N M N, which are really hard to say, but uh they are both energy precursors. 01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.880 I I think I should have paid more attention to the Krebs cycle when I was in school. 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:04.720 I would not spell Kreb. 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:05.760 Excellent. 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:07.520 It's not crusty Krebs. 01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:09.439 Um easy smells. 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:15.680 But you know, I wonder I wonder if we had this conversation 10 years from now, what it would sound like. 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:26.960 Like, are are we being re like ridiculous and like these things are just going to happen and our lives are gonna get better and we're gonna see more healthy 90-year-olds? 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:28.479 I I hope so. 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:49.840 Well, the projections for in terms of the market for peptides, um, I think the data that I saw was estimating by 2036, about 80% of the population in US adult population being on some kind of peptide products. 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:55.520 Um, I think it currently is anywhere from 70 to 80 billion dollar market. 01:17:55.840 --> 01:18:15.119 So obviously, anytime that there's a demand and um market, money to be made, um, that's when we really start seeing these different varieties of products of different quality um and different marketing to pop up. 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:20.159 So I think that just kind of reminds all of us that we really need to do our due diligence. 01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:59.840 And uh I can't say enough of um finding uh finding a provider that um is specializing and and can supervise the whole approach into health, not just in terms of one peptide, but how those peptides will work into your health history, the other medications, the symptoms, and most importantly, the goals, as we're talking about someone wanting to live to 89 and some other person wanting to live to 89, they may want to do very different things during those uh years. 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:04.960 So, how does what you're doing really can help you meet those goals? 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:06.880 I think it's a really important question. 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:14.800 Well, I did set uh in one of our podcasts we we set the discussion that I'm going to set the 80-year-old deadlift record. 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:17.039 You were going there, that's why I pointed at you. 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:17.359 Yep. 01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:19.520 So when I'm 80, I'm deadlifting. 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.680

And unfortunately, I actually found a number. 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:23.840 Yeah, it's 400 pounds right now. 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:26.239 So I have to deadlift over 400 pounds when I'm 80. 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:27.199 So I need to take it. 01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:28.720 Oh, well, here's the thing. 01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.680 Yeah, I'll get to 80, and then you know that record's broke. 01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:34.079 Fat and lazy by then I'm not concerned. 01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:34.880 Gonna be? 01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:36.000 Oh, yeah, good point. 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:39.680 I can tell you this too, and I'm gonna admit this to all our listeners. 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:49.600 I'm gonna Google like someone, like I'm gonna look into going under care and and investigating this more because this interests me. 01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:55.840 And I I love being in the the cutting edge and versus you know, n equals one kind of stuff. 01:19:56.319 --> 01:20:03.439 Yeah, and there are certainly uh really great resources in terms of education, learning more about this. 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:13.520 Um, fortunately, I think sometimes people spend more time researching new car than they do learning about how their metabolism works. 01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:30.960 And um, and sometimes, you know, I I know if I find a provider that I can trust, I find a company manufacturer that I trust, I know it takes a big weight off my shoulders because I know I'm getting what I'm looking for. 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.720 Um, but it is important for us to do that. 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:46.319 And like you said, longevity isn't just about adding the years to our life, it's about really adding life to our years and allowing us to do what we want. 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.119 And for me, that's priceless. 01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:59.199 So I am gonna continue personally researching, knowing that my toolbox is full, knowing that I have my A-line ready to go. 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:06.640 If there are health issues that I wanna wanna try to solve or that are challenging the way that I want to live. 01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:16.560 So um, but ladies and ladies and gentlemen, let's do our let's do our seven foundational things before we start thinking about sticking chemicals in our bodies. 01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:18.319 Well, yeah, take the steps, man. 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:21.439 Don't don't don't be a jackass and try to jump to the front of the line. 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:23.199 No, you can you can do that today. 01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:24.399 Stop listening to the podcast. 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:25.680 You know, actually, no, don't stop. 01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:27.279 Don't stop listening to the podcast. 01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:32.079 But when it's over, put on your shoes, go outside in silence, and take a walk. 01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:32.960 Drink some water. 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:34.399 Uh, anything else we can add? 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:35.520 What else can we lump up? 01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:36.319 Take a walk. 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:37.359 Yeah, we were walking. 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:38.880 Well, no, you just said go outside. 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.279 Oh, I can stand on the front porch and drink some water. 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:44.000 You are gonna be fat and lazy when you're old. 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:51.279 I really think we cannot speak enough as it comes to those seven habits about the community. 01:21:51.520 --> 01:22:01.199 And when you shared the example about the energy drinks, and we talked about how you have those old habits always there to fall back into. 01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:12.159 What's gonna keep you on the right track and achieving and moving forward and practicing and being okay, not being perfect, it is the community. 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:24.960 And just that data point that if you have that, that you're gonna be three times more likely to achieve your goals, no matter they are. 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:35.039 So if that if there's a one thing that I would love everyone to take away from this is really is like, what's your community? 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:42.720 Maybe it is this podcast, and you come along and you know, uh nerd out on all the things uh with you. 01:22:43.119 --> 01:23:00.640 Um, but what other ways are there to build a community and maybe try some new things, have some regular hangouts with like-minded people, um, and really making time for each other because we all have great friends that we haven't seen in a long time, right? 01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:07.039 So how do we how do we make that a priority and and then through that meet our health goals? 01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:15.119 You know, you you brought up the idea of community, and John and I have talked about that even before we started the Masters Athlete Survival Guide. 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:24.560 There we are both in uh board members of a foundation, and we've got our our big fundraiser coming up on August 8th. 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:40.399 One of the things that when we talk to people about this fundraiser, this this sort of event that happens is the sense of community, the spirit, uh, the the compassion and the passion that comes out of that group of people getting together. 01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:59.279 Uh you know, I bought John's talk a lot about trying to pickleball, but you know, the community of people who are there together doing that, can't speak enough about these things and that sort of ability to uh take strength when you're not always doing it alone. 01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:03.520 Yeah, you mentioned the idea of being quiet and you know that it's a solitude moment. 01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:14.960 So being alone at times is not a bad thing, but putting together and having those people that support what you're doing is absolutely priceless. 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:17.920 And it's one of the things that I think has helped. 01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:27.439 I I know I speak for myself and I think I speak

for John on this as well, that it's helped us move forward in some of the struggles that we've had over the last you know eight, nine, ten years. 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:31.439 Yeah, I mean, shared pain makes pain lighter. 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:40.079 Like, like it's funny how many things you struggle with that if you say out loud to someone that cares about you, they just look at you and go, You too? 01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:41.359 And yeah, right? 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:42.880 Like, okay, yeah, me too. 01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:44.640 And this is this is how I got through it. 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.800 And this is oh, by the way, this is how my cousin got through it. 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:48.720 And yeah, yeah, absolutely. 01:24:50.640 --> 01:25:01.680 Yeah, and uh, that is so valuable because everybody is challenged with something, and um again, this goes back into us wanting to be perfect. 01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:08.800 We don't have to when we have that community of support, so um, leaning into it really, really is powerful. 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:13.520 So I'm glad you are experiencing that and inviting others to be part of that as well. 01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:14.720 Yeah, well, thanks. 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:33.840 Well, I think that's a great place to stop because bottom line, the takeaway from this is before we go down this highly uh experimental, emergent peptide route, get with some like-minded people, go for a walk, drink some water, set that foundation. 01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:34.800 Yeah, yeah. 01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:35.439 So, Dr. 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:37.439 Young, I really appreciate you. 01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:46.960 Um, I'm sure we're gonna ask you on again in the future and we can circle back on because it is uh an industry that's moving so quickly, there'll probably be a thousand changes by then. 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:50.880 And there's something, I mean, you and I have said we're gonna start looking at it a little bit more now, too. 01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:51.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.640 So we can do more and equals one kind of stuff. 01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:56.000 But I appreciate your time. 01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.520 Um I'm still John, am I? 01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:03.199 I that's questionable at times, but I know that I'm still Scott. 01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:04.560 And this was Dr. 01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:06.159 Young talking to us about peptides. 01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:06.960 Thanks, everybody. 01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:07.520 Thank you. 01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:08.560 Thank you so much. 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:09.039 Bye. 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:09.600 Bye. 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:11.279 Thanks for listening. 01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:19.439 If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others, post it on your social media, or leave a review. 01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:25.279 To catch all the latest from us, you can follow us on Instagram at Masters Athlete Survival Guide. 01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:26.479 Thanks again. 01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:29.039 Now get off our lawn, you damn kids.