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governor's mansion and both houses of the state legislature. 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:19.360 And that's Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.399 Five other trifectas were broken. 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:28.240 And the total number of Democrats elected, this is also an interesting stat, which is both state and federal. 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:33.920 The total number of Democrats who were elected to office was 600 across the country. 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:35.040 Truly remarkable. 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:37.040 So you didn't file? 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.279 No, no, not yet. 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:43.040 I mean, it is pretty good. 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:45.199 And then we get to come on here and talk about this stuff. 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:46.720 So what does it all mean? 00:05:46.959 --> 00:06:02.959 Well, one other interesting stat, too, that I've only seen a few times is that for the incoming Congress, one-fifth, and this includes both Democrats and Republicans, one-fifth of the new Senate will be new senators, and one quarter of House members will be new. 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:10.399 I didn't look up the historical data on this, but the power of incumbency has always been in the 90 percentage. 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:17.279 And this is going to be a slew of new members of Congress who don't know how Congress works. 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:23.920 And so I think we'll get into kind of implications and what this means for government, what it means for folks working with government. 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:32.879 But that stat alone means that a government relations strategy really needs to be top of mind for you given the amount of congressional education we're going to need. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:34.399 It's starting in January. 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.759 But there are some old hands that are still there. 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.120 One more of the amazingness of this election. 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:42.639 A lot of firsts. 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:47.920 You probably have all heard these already, but Abdul El-Said, first Muslim elected to the U.S. 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:49.040 Senate in Michigan. 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:55.920 Chris Pappas, who won the senator's race and defeated former Senator John Sinudu, is the first openly gay male senator. 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:00.639 Peggy Flanagan, first Native American woman elected to the Senate in Minnesota. 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:07.040 Annie Andrews is the first woman elected to represent South Carolina Senate, Republican or Democratic Party. 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:12.240 Adam Hamilton is the first Kansas Democrat elected since 1932. 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.160 Before our time. 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:15.360 Well before our time. 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:20.079 James Tallerico is the first Democrat elected from Texas since 1988. 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.560 There's a host more on the House side. 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:29.680 And if you go down to the state and to the local level, three of the most major cities in the United States have elected Democratic Socialist mayors. 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.319 That's Los Angeles, New York, and Washington, D.C. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:33.199 Here, where we are. 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:34.399 Are you through? 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:36.160 I mean, there's many, many more. 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.040 It was a truly historic election. 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:45.680 And there's lots more to talk about how that's going to impact things that work in government, both at the federal level and state and local level. 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:46.319 Okay. 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:58.720 So on that note, on Homeland Security and Coupled Affairs, we'll get a new chair, Senator Maggie Hattison from New Hampshire, who hopefully will want to get things done. 00:07:59.279 --> 00:07:59.920 Yep. 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:04.399 And we know that because she's been working with Senator Langford. 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:11.439 She's already named Mark Busso, our friend, as the head of the management arm of the committee. 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:12.000 Yep. 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:13.120 On the staffing side. 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:14.240 Congratulations, Mark. 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.519 Pretty ambitious reform agenda that they've been working on. 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:18.639 Absolutely. 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:19.839 Very ambitious. 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:21.360 And we're rooting for them. 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:29.360 I think it's safe to say they want to leverage the moment to make some significant changes in the management arena. 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:39.679 The structure of government, some significant reforms in the area of personnel, financial management, acquisition. 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:46.000 So I'm really looking forward to that set of proposals being inserted into the conversation. 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:55.919 And we'll likely set a different tone than perhaps what many might expect, which is an oversight of the Trump administration approach. 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:57.600 That'll be involved as well. 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:59.279 They're not not going to do that. 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:08.000 But I think coming to the table with the proactive list of reforms that could make government work better for everybody, I think is going to potentially be a breath of fresh air. 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:08.559 Yeah. 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:15.919 And apparently the homeland arm, the management arm, which is separate from the investigations arm. 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:17.360 Which I think is smart. 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.480 Now might be a different situation on the outside. 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.000 Yes, I think so. 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.559 At least based on what we've heard this week. 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:31.360 Ranking member Garcia moves to the chairman's spot. 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.919 And he put out a two-word agenda for the next session. 00:09:36.080 -->

00:09:36.960 Did you see that? 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:42.080 I did, I did, but I it's not rolling off the tip of my tongue. 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:43.840 Lawyer up. 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:55.039 I think, and suffice it to say, that the investigative arm of house oversight and government reform will get plenty of exercise over the next two years. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:56.240 Absolutely. 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:02.080 As it has over the last two years, and it'll be interesting to see too. 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:06.879 I think some of the work that Chairman Gormer did is likely to continue. 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:12.799 Not just some of the government reform work that he did, but oversight of the Epstein files and incidents. 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:18.240 There was a fair amount of Republican support on the committee and in the House for that. 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.159 And I think Democrats are not backing away from that for sure. 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.399 But there will likely be a whole host of other investigations beyond that. 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:32.879 I don't know what you think about how the Senate proposals for government reform will be met by Democrats on the House side. 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:42.159 I don't think they've quite gotten that far yet, but it'll be a key part of making those things a reality is getting them on board with doing some proactive reforms in addition to the investigations. 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:42.799 Yeah. 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:51.440 Too few people understand how much bipartisanship goes into the legislative meeting and some of the management oversight of those committees. 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.919 Good signals on the Senate side. 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.600 We'll have to wait and see on the House side whether that tradition is sustained. 00:10:57.919 --> 00:10:58.159 True. 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:10.799 And we heard that from our friend Christian Hayner just a few weeks ago when he was on, talking about that being particularly important to actually getting things passed across the finish line for both the House and Senate oversight committees. 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:20.960 One of the things we didn't cover is confirmations across the board, but the management positions generally go through Homeland Security and Gunner Affairs. 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:36.559 And I don't think that committee will be as charitable to civil least some of the nominees the administration will put through, which means we should probably expect to have a slew of them considered over the next 60 days. 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:37.679 True. 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:44.159 And also potential to have an even larger number of officials in acting roles. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:56.320 There are already a large number in the first two years of the Trump administration, but I think we're going to see folks leaving and creating those vacancies and also the inability for, I think, the Trump administration's favored selections to get Senate

approval. 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:08.960 I also was on a call this past week where someone started talking about whether the Democrats would then try to do some vacancy act investigations about what are the actual rules for people who are in acting roles? 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:10.000 Are they being violated? 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.120 Are there too many? 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.960 I'm not sure that's going to rise at the top of the list, but I suppose it's possible. 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.519 Well, the enforcing mechanism for that is GAO. 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:28.240 And GAO also is the enforcing mechanism for anti-deficiency act violations. 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:35.279 So those are two where I think you'll see a stiffening backbone by the watchdog organization. 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:35.919 Yes. 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:51.039 And also we've already seen this year in Congress in some of the appropriations language and in discussions around the CR, an extension of the CR, of ensuring that the administration follows congressional intent in spending funds that are appropriated by Congress. 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:58.559 That will definitely be a bigger part of the appropriations process of congressional oversight of the Trump administration next year. 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:00.879 So let me ask you this question. 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:14.720 If we see a slew of appointments in the next couple of weeks, among them may well be Eric Ewand or some other candidate to fill the comfortable or general position. 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:15.679 Yes. 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:26.960 But we've got a slate of senators, some of whom will be disgruntled, some of whom have some institutional loyalty. 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:29.440 But some. 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.840 What are the chances a nomination like that gets through? 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:41.840 I think it's better than the chance of other openings that the Trump administration might put forward getting confirmed. 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.559 I mean, Eric spent time on the Hill. 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:46.720 He understands how Congress works. 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.080 I feel like he's kept his head down in his current role. 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:58.399 I do think putting a Trump administration political person into that role, though, will raise more than a few eyebrows. 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:06.799 So I think that's going to be a difficult question, not just for if Eric is put forward, but what is the Democrats' approach to nominations? 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.000 It certainly came up in the campaign. 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:15.919 I know Susan Collins had to respond to some of her support for Trump administration officials who she voted to confirm. 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:23.600 I don't know if that means that Democrats are just going to shut the door and say no to everybody, or whether there's going to be ones that they'll say this one will work and this one won't. 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:27.840 And they certainly have the flexibility given their majority coming in. 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:35.360 It's going to be much different than the last two years, particularly in the House, but in the Senate too, where the majority was much thinner for the Republicans. 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:52.960 And giving more flexibility and leeway to Democrats will increase the chances that Senator Schumer and likely Speaker of the House, Hakeem Jeffries, will be able to push for their own agenda rather than having to make sure that they can keep their caucuses in line. 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.639 Here's another tool in the toolbox that doesn't get a lot of attention. 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.240 Or were you going to say something else? 00:14:58.480 --> 00:14:59.039 No, no. 00:14:59.279 --> 00:14:59.679 Go on. 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:01.759 The Congressional Review Act. 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:03.120 We're getting deep. 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:03.600 I love this. 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.919 Well, this is an old Fred Thompson special, just so you know. 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:17.600 It gives Congress the opportunity to overturn a final agency rule with a joint resolution of disapproval, and it requires a simple majority in the Senate. 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.279 I predict, let me channel my inner Charles Cooper. 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:31.679 There will be more Congressional View Act resolutions in the next two years than there have been in the last 10. 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:33.840 That's definitely possible. 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:38.399 Although the Republican Senate and House during the Biden administration did use it a lot. 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:44.240 I don't know what their tally was, but I agree with you that this is a particular perfect storm. 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:48.799 Yeah, I think that's very likely. 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:49.600 Yep. 00:15:50.399 --> 00:16:01.919 The uniform guidance, which is in draft right now, but it's under a prohibition on implementation in the current continuing resolution. 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:02.480 Yep. 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:09.440 And I wouldn't be surprised to see that end up in FY27 approbes. 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:14.480 But even if not, that's a worthy candidate for the Congressional Review Act. 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:15.519 Absolutely. 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:16.000 Yes. 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:19.679 And I think you know, Democrats, if they're smart, will try to utilize those tools. 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:25.200 They're going to have a problem with passing law because Trump can veto. 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:31.039 So anything that's outside of these maybe potentially must-pass bills, appropriations, the CR, that sort of thing. 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:35.919 I think they're going to have trouble putting forward and enacting a proactive agenda. 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:41.840 Plus, I think you're going to see, I've read a few things about this, and who knows because you cannot predict what the president

will do. 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:48.960 But it's possible that the president becomes even less predictable and erratic given he's not running for election. 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.000 Congress is very hostile to his agenda. 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.960 So that we're going to have to keep an eye on and see how that moves forward. 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.919 He's talked about after the election, he's excited to work with them. 00:16:58.399 --> 00:16:59.120 Maybe not excited. 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.759 He's willing to work with Democrats in Congress. 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.240 Whether that turns out to be true, I think is anyone's guess. 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:09.119 And he threw him an olive branch by pointing Steve Miller chief of staff. 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.240 Yes, breaking news here on the Govern Navigator show. 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:14.480 Just coming across my desk. 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:15.839 Susie Wilesna. 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:27.200 The point about the joint resolutions under the Congressional Review Act just reminds me that the Senate the bodies don't have veto-proof majorities. 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:33.200 And I don't know how willing Republicans will be to join in some of those resolutions. 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:35.920 Yeah, and that'll be another interesting thing to watch. 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:37.279 Obviously, there's fewer of them. 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:42.000 But most of the, if we can call them moderate Republicans, are also out. 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:48.160 And particularly some chief critics of the president of the last two years in the Republican Party are no longer in Congress. 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:54.079 So they could coalesce in the minority around more allegiance to the president and to his agenda. 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:58.400 And that will obviously make it much more difficult for Democrats to move things forward. 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:04.079 And speaking of difficult in the legislative part, the CR does expire on December 11th. 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.519 We will have a lame duck session coming up before the new Congress is sat. 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:15.680 And as you are aware of, and I'm sure our listeners are too, Congress is very, very far behind on appropriations. 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:19.200 The House has reported all of their bills, but only past three. 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.480 And the Senate hasn't even reported their bills. 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:24.480 So there's also no budget resolution. 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:29.200 So there's no top line 302A allocation, and there's no defense-nondefense split. 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:41.440 So it is, even though we have not gone through a shutdown yet in 2026, I think this is potentially the most chaotic appropriations year that we've had in the last five or six years. 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:50.640 I think it's rumored that the four corners, the chair and ranking of both the House and Senate appropriators supposed to meet this week. 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.799 Those are people who get along with each other. 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:55.759 They do. 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:01.599 And they share a view that there should be enacted appropriations. 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:02.079 Yes. 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.200 So appropriate is going to appropriate, I think, is what they say. 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:05.839 Yeah. 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:13.519 And does that mean do you think there's a chance we got appropriations enacted before the new Congress is seeded? 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:20.559 Or will the Democrats want to put their infremature on the bills to a greater extent? 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:30.559 I worry that we have a better chance of signing a deal with the Republican Congress and the president than with the Democratic Congress and the President. 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:32.960 Yeah, I think that's correct. 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:46.160 I've also heard from a few folks about concerns about, particularly in the House, Speaker Johnson's ability to get people to even come back to Washington, particularly people who just got their butts kicked. 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:51.519 And as we've talked about for two years, he has a razor-thin margin. 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.400 So don't they all need jobs? 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:57.359 Don't they need to come back for interviews? 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:00.240 Oh, come on, Robert. 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.240 These folks are not animals of Washington. 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:05.599 They're not staying, except the ones that are going to stay and become lobbyists. 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:09.839 But we'll have to see how much of a caucus he can get to come back. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:16.160 And even if they all do come back, likely we'll still need Democrats to support some of these things. 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:20.720 Who knows if it's going to be a bunch of minibuses or maybe just an extension of a CR? 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:27.519 But I think the worst outcome, as you've alluded to, is nothing happening on December 11th and the government shutting down. 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:29.440 What else didn't we cover? 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:37.920 Well, at least earlier this year, Republicans in Congress have talked about the potential to have another reconciliation bill during the lame duck. 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:40.799 And I think the chances of that are now zero. 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:42.559 Why do you say that? 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:50.000 Well, mostly because if four House Republicans decide that they're not coming for the lame duck, then it's they're dumb. 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:50.720 Yeah. 00:20:51.039 --> 00:21:04.480 And the short time frame, the fact they haven't really gotten NDAA far enough along and they're going to want to spend time on that, the fact that there's a CR that's going to expire a week or two after Thanksgiving, they just don't have the time, even under the best of conditions. 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.680 And these

are maybe not the worst of conditions, but close. 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:14.079 I'll be interested to replay this on future episodes to see just how wrong we were. 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:36.640 Well, and also keep in mind a lot of the things that were talked about going in that reconciliation are not necessarily high-profile Trump administration initiatives, but even if they're have a whiff of the Trump administration, there's less of a stomach now to try to put those into law than there used to be after the shellacking that that agenda got at the polls. 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:38.319 What's up this week? 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:39.839 Anything on your agenda? 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:40.960 Hmm. 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:42.319 That's a great question. 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:45.759 Well, it's Veterans Day on Wednesday. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:47.519 God bless our veterans. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.880 Federal holiday, or an important day to honor the service and sacrifice of our veterans. 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.039 Midweek holiday is a little weird. 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:57.119 I can't remember the last time it was on Wednesday. 00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:58.799 So there's that this week. 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:02.240 And then I joked with a friend a while ago. 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.799 Then it's Thanksgiving, and then we're into let's circle back in January mode. 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.079 So the year is basically. 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:09.519 Did you just say circle back? 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:10.720 Yes, I did. 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.759 You forgot to mention two pivotal things. 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:18.240 One is the Day Force round table. 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:19.039 Yes. 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:24.079 Then the Gub Navigators, there's gonna be a giant sucking sound out of DC. 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:30.240 We're traveling to an undisclosed location for an office retreat. 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.039 It's so poor Brit, it's revolting. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:35.519 Hey, listen, you and I know this. 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.880 The reason we got into this business was so we could do these retreats. 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:40.720 That's really the only reason why we did it. 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.359 It's priority number one on our agenda. 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:47.119 So next week it'll be a picture of us holding umbrella drinks. 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:48.160 That's right. 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:48.960 That's right. 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:56.559 And one other event of note for folks who will be in town, and we will be back by this point on Friday, Friday the 13th. 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:02.319 ActIact is having their CX Summit 2026 put on by our good friend Martha Doris. 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:03.279 On Friday. 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:04.240 On Friday. 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:05.440 Not my favorite day. 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:06.960 It's a good thing. 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:08.160 But see you all in the morning. 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.160 Martha and ActIact have really built this event up, and I've been a couple of times. 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.480 It's a good event, despite it being on a Friday. 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:16.480 So encourage you all to check it out. 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.480 Have a great week. 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.359 Hey, thanks again to our friends at Alicor. 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.240 I think we can afford now to go another couple of weeks. 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:28.480 Yeah, the podcast will continue thanks to the lovely people over at Alicor. 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.359 Make sure you go to Alicor.com and check out what they're doing. 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.920 They're working hard every day, they're improving government, and we appreciate them. 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:49.440 Thanks for listening to another episode of the Gov Navigator Show, brought to you by GovNavigators. 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.400 We sure hope you enjoyed it and learned something in the process. 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:54.000 And didn't get detected. 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:55.759 Right, of course. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:02.160 If you want to know more about us and what we're up to, please follow us on social media or visit govnavigators.com. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:02.960 Ahoy!