התמלול המלא של Rudy

00:07:02.620 It was that time where you learn your employee 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:18.240 skills. How do you think you... navigate those 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:22.879 kinds of, that kind of trauma without becoming 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:29.850 bitter, without going the frank route. You have 00:07:29.850 --> 00:07:33.529 to dream the desires deep inside of you, which 00:07:33.529 --> 00:07:38.529 Rudy did, and still do. I mean, it was a lifelong 00:07:38.529 --> 00:07:46.149 dream to go to Notre Dame, be on the field, and 00:07:46.149 --> 00:07:50.839 not actually be on the field, but this. It's 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:54.720 coming out of the tunnel and just experience 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:59.769 it. And the interesting thing is he struggled 00:08:00.569 --> 00:08:08.730 through high school and he had dyslexia, which 00:08:08.730 --> 00:08:14.810 at that time they just thought he was mentally 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:20.120 deficient. It was not a learning disability. 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.860 He was just considered, you're retarded. Or you're 00:08:24.860 --> 00:08:32.360 unsure. Playing dumb. Yeah. Which, can we talk 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:40.659 about his teacher? What a freaking dick. I'm 00:08:40.659 --> 00:08:44.220 going to insult a lot of Catholics that you have 00:08:44.220 --> 00:08:53.059 on your podcast, but at that time period, a lot 00:08:53.059 --> 00:08:58.980 of the male teachers and the Jesuit priests were 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:04.190 that way. Because they didn't understand themselves. 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:09.320 And they were, as they went through their training 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.899 to be teachers, they see it all. And they did 00:09:12.899 --> 00:09:18.139 not know that dyslexia existed. Or in the form 00:09:18.139 --> 00:09:22.690 of learning disability. They were this category 00:09:22.950 --> 00:09:27.500 that a person who just sits there in fantasy 00:09:27.500 --> 00:09:32.649 land in his mind can't concentrate. It's just 00:09:32.649 --> 00:09:38.679 like, even instead of like, here, let's help 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:45.340 you get out of this. Like, hey, let's help you 00:09:45.340 --> 00:09:48.639 become, be a better student. It's like, oh, let's 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:55.220 just crush your soul. That's the way it was. 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.480 I mean, they thought if you, they mock the child 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:06.340 enough. that he'll snap out of it and knuckle 00:10:06.340 --> 00:10:15.480 down, and he'll do better. And then one day when 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:17.960 he went to get on the bus to tour the school, 00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:23.440 in the priest's mind, he was being kind to Rudy. 00:10:23.980 --> 00:10:33.220 Sparing disappointment. Right. Be happy to be 00:10:33.220 --> 00:10:39.169 a dirt shoveler. Be happy with what God gave 00:10:39.169 --> 00:10:47.879 you. And just carried on. And Rudy didn't want 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:55.500 to accept that. Now, I knew people who were told

00:10:55.500 --> 00:11:02.820 similar stuff, and they just dug their heels 00:11:02.820 --> 00:11:06.580 in and said, I'm going to prove to you. And what 00:11:06.580 --> 00:11:09.919 they would do is they went to school, and they 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:14.460 would study harder, study harder, study harder. 00:11:16.059 --> 00:11:21.269 still struggle is because her brain was wired 00:11:21.269 --> 00:11:38.600 because of dyslexia. It was hard. Yeah. You want 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:44.149 to talk about the music score? Yes. Jerry Goldsmith, 00:11:44.269 --> 00:11:55.429 I would say he is one of the premier writer for 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.460 mutant score of his generation. There it is. 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:02.899 And the only one who's better than him. We're 00:12:02.899 --> 00:12:04.980 going to have some words about John Williams 00:12:04.980 --> 00:12:13.070 and Hans Zimmer. John Williams is good. They're 00:12:13.070 --> 00:12:16.840 all good. But if John Williams did not do Star 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:21.289 Wars, I don't think he would have been as well. 00:12:21.389 --> 00:12:25.110 Or Indiana Jones. I don't think he really would. 00:12:25.590 --> 00:12:32.559 I mean, come on. Superman, E .T., Jaws. He has 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:34.809 some great movies. He had some great backers 00:12:34.809 --> 00:12:39.269 and great directors that were able to pull him 00:12:39.269 --> 00:12:46.269 to greatness. But Jerry Goldsmith, he was original. 00:12:48.750 --> 00:12:52.429 Maybe I just haven't seen many. Well, I don't 00:12:52.429 --> 00:12:56.610 know. When was he active? 70s, 80s, 90s? Because 00:12:56.610 --> 00:13:01.269 that was 93. He went into the 60s, throughout 00:13:01.269 --> 00:13:11.220 the 70s. I think he did 2001 Space Odyssey. I 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:18.759 can't remember. Huh? No, don't quote me on it. 00:13:18.779 --> 00:13:23.250 Cause I'm worrying by memory. Yeah. And I'd look 00:13:23.250 --> 00:13:29.500 it up, but I don't want to pre -op. Yeah. Stop. 00:13:29.899 --> 00:13:37.830 Yeah. Um, no, we can, um, I can, we can cut this 00:13:37.830 --> 00:13:41.750 if you don't want to talk about it, but I'm, 00:13:41.750 --> 00:13:47.269 I'm in case it might help some other people with. 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.350 The themes of perseverance, following dreams 00:13:54.350 --> 00:13:59.750 and that kind of stuff. Now, I know you loved 00:13:59.750 --> 00:14:05.990 us kids and mom, but was there ever, did you 00:14:05.990 --> 00:14:08.470 ever have any regrets that you did not be an 00:14:08.470 --> 00:14:12.720 animator, that you weren't an animator? Okay, 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:17.299 that's a whole different subject because dreams 00:14:20.980 --> 00:14:27.230 change direction throughout your life. Right. 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:36.429 When you become a father, things change. A father 00:14:36.429 --> 00:14:41.740 will do self -sacrificing for his family. He 00:14:41.740 --> 00:14:44.820 would do the extra job, which Rudy's dad did. 00:14:45.710 --> 00:14:49.049 Now, he could have stayed just at the mill and 00:14:50.230 --> 00:14:55.480 just worked and be done with, but he worked other 00:14:55.480 --> 00:15:01.259 jobs so that he could afford to give them a better 00:15:01.259 --> 00:15:05.620 home and lifestyle. To what he limited. He was 00:15:05.620 --> 00:15:08.720 carrying a lot of baggage because of what his 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:14.120 father abandoned them. Or he chased his dream. 00:15:14.850 --> 00:15:18.610 And then when the depression hit, abandoned the 00:15:18.610 --> 00:15:25.879 family. And that stuck to him. And that gave 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:32.039 a big seeded. When you have that kind of disaster 00:15:34.090 --> 00:15:37.990 and you see your family tore apart at a young 00:15:37.990 --> 00:15:42.950 age. That affects you. And he was just trying 00:15:42.950 --> 00:15:49.169 to spare his children not to dream. To be satisfied 00:15:49.169 --> 00:15:53.049 where you're at and do everything you can with 00:15:53.210 --> 00:15:59.350 what you have. And his dad was trying to spare 00:15:59.350 --> 00:16:05.889 the pain that he went through. He knew about 00:16:05.889 --> 00:16:11.720 this when Rudy, at Pete's death, decided to go. 00:16:13.419 --> 00:16:17.480 He had to do it, or now or never. And his dad 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:20.120 was at the bus stop trying to talk him out of 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:23.580 it. And his dad tried to explain what he went 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:33.629 through. And that just, I think in Rudy's mind, 00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:38.149 you can't think of, that won't happen because 00:16:38.149 --> 00:16:41.049 lightning doesn't strike twice in the same spot. 00:16:42.789 --> 00:16:47.879 So Rudy felt like he could do it. And since he 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:52.429 was just himself, he felt. More encouraged to 00:16:52.429 --> 00:16:56.570 follow his dream. Remember, with his girlfriend's 00:16:56.570 --> 00:16:59.629 fiance, they were looking at a house to buy. 00:17:00.429 --> 00:17:03.830 Nice little bungalow, starter home. And Rudy, 00:17:04.029 --> 00:17:12.289 he just wasn't 100%. She was getting frustrated 00:17:12.289 --> 00:17:17.009 because she was doing all the footwork for them 00:17:17.009 --> 00:17:21.160 to buy this house. But something was gnawing 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.130 at him. He's dragging his feet in one. Pete died, 00:17:24.289 --> 00:17:33.319 and that just changed everything. Yeah. It's 00:17:34.210 --> 00:17:38.289 crazy that, wasn't he like 22 at that point? 00:17:40.289 --> 00:17:45.569 Yes. That's crazy. 22, but almost buying a house. 00:17:49.289 --> 00:18:00.240 Oh, to be back in the 70s. I mean, that's how 00:18:00.339 --> 00:18:04.390 it was. You know, you had a good job. You know, 00:18:04.410 --> 00:18:07.390 especially then, his job was guaranteed because 00:18:07.390 --> 00:18:12.980 he worked for a union. And he just, all he had 00:18:12.980 --> 00:18:17.019 to do was do his

job, get promotions, where, 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:23.190 like, his brother Frank was a head of a line, 00:18:23.349 --> 00:18:27.160 a lead, and he just sat up there in a control 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:33.220 room just watching the steel go by. And was he 00:18:33.220 --> 00:18:38.589 happy? No. He was bitter. And he took it out 00:18:38.589 --> 00:18:48.329 on Rudy. Yeah. I don't know. So how did that 00:18:48.329 --> 00:18:54.680 opportunity come after mom was already pregnant 00:18:54.680 --> 00:19:06.980 with Bethany? Or did that make it easier to turn 00:19:06.980 --> 00:19:19.079 it down? Yeah, Bethany was a baby. She was a 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:26.819 baby. And I had to, for myself, I had to think 00:19:26.819 --> 00:19:36.440 about mama. And Bethany and Cammie was on her 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:46.799 way. And a father will make choices for the best 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.039 for his family. Right. And he does not think 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:54.900 about himself, what he desires. That's put on 00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:58.440 the shelf for some day. Right now I got to take 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:07.990 care of. I can. And what happened to Rudy. Certain 00:20:07.990 --> 00:20:14.609 events happened at those times. Like the universe 00:20:14.609 --> 00:20:20.349 was trying to tell him it's time. And he had 00:20:20.349 --> 00:20:23.369 that annoying feeling not to buy the house. And 00:20:23.369 --> 00:20:27.170 then the death of his best friend, the only man 00:20:27.170 --> 00:20:29.710 that actually believed in him, the only person 00:20:29.710 --> 00:20:34.789 that believed in him was his friend Pete. His 00:20:34.789 --> 00:20:38.069 girlfriend didn't believe in his dream. His parents. 00:20:38.730 --> 00:20:45.250 his brothers. It was just... And when Pete was 00:20:45.250 --> 00:20:55.450 gone, Woody decided, I have to act now. And in 00:20:55.450 --> 00:20:59.069 the movie, he had people coming into his life 00:20:59.069 --> 00:21:09.650 at critical junctions. Like D -Bob. Yeah. That 00:21:09.650 --> 00:21:13.470 was a priest, right? No, D -Bob was John Favreau, 00:21:13.569 --> 00:21:19.390 the law school student. Oh, okay. I was just 00:21:19.390 --> 00:21:21.549 trying to figure. I said, who is D -Bob? I can't 00:21:21.549 --> 00:21:27.670 remember. And it was funny because D -Bob only 00:21:27.670 --> 00:21:32.930 wanted Rudy to help him get a girl. It changed. 00:21:33.230 --> 00:21:36.650 And that's where Rudy found out about dyslexia. 00:21:36.650 --> 00:21:40.599 And he had him help him get him tested and help 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:44.700 him. And Rudy was so grateful that he was getting 00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:47.059 help, he was asking girls all over the place. 00:21:48.750 --> 00:21:57.089 I got a friend for you to meet. Yikes. And the 00:21:57.089 --> 00:22:01.180 girl that took interest in Rudy, she worked for 00:22:01.180 --> 00:22:07.819 the school paper. And it's quite interesting 00:22:07.819 --> 00:22:12.730 that

she, something about Rudy that she liked, 00:22:12.890 --> 00:22:18.650 that drive. Yeah, that go -to -itiveness, that 00:22:18.650 --> 00:22:25.140 gumption. Yep. And it was interesting during 00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:32.039 the, during the, When he did coach, the defensive 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:37.569 coach for the practice squad, saw something in 00:22:37.569 --> 00:22:40.230 Rudy. And other coaches says, hey, it's all on 00:22:40.230 --> 00:22:44.819 you. We don't want him. No talent, short, slow, 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.759 no. But that coach saw something in Rudy. So 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:55.769 that was, you say, that's another angel that 00:22:55.769 --> 00:22:58.930 came into Rudy's life to make his go towards. 00:22:59.289 --> 00:23:01.869 And I liked the music during their practice, 00:23:02.029 --> 00:23:04.789 where they had the Notre Dame Glee Club, Male 00:23:04.789 --> 00:23:09.109 Glee Club, singing school songs. And it kind 00:23:09.109 --> 00:23:15.630 of slowed down. Then you see the blood, the bruises. 00:23:16.819 --> 00:23:24.400 The athletic tape. Yep. Rudy was, a lot of the 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:31.359 other players saw Rudy as... Just try hard, just 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:37.809 blow hard. Yeah. And they didn't say Rudy was 00:23:37.809 --> 00:23:41.430 trying to be something that he's not. But Rudy 00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:45.890 was actually a team player. He was giving everything 00:23:45.890 --> 00:23:51.819 he had so that the first string will be ready 00:23:51.819 --> 00:24:01.190 for the teams they meet on the field. Some of 00:24:01.190 --> 00:24:05.990 the guys were getting it. Some did not. And you 00:24:05.990 --> 00:24:10.809 see all types. You see the prima donnas that 00:24:10.809 --> 00:24:18.250 Rudy face on the field. And also on the practice 00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:24.049 squad, make us look bad. He's just like, well, 00:24:24.069 --> 00:24:31.180 maybe you are bad. I think it really got when 00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:36.119 they were after practice and Rudy was the other 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:42.180 guy walking across the parking lot. And those 00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:52.019 first stringers tried to. Tell him, knock it 00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:55.960 off. And Rudy stood up to them and said, if I 00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:00.119 don't do it, you won't be ready. One guy got 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:06.079 it. The co -captain. He was the co -captain of 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:18.099 the team. He got it right away. So what is the 00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:22.160 captain of a football team? What is their job? 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:26.049 Because there's the quarterback. And he seems 00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:30.250 like he's the main. play caller, but I never 00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:35.390 understood what the captain's job was. If the 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.880 quarterback is leading the huddle, the offensive 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:42.759 huddles and stuff like that. The team captain, 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.200 there's two of them, one offensive and one defensive. 00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:53.819 The captain, he's usually there doing the coin 00:25:53.819 --> 00:25:58.109 toss, heads or tails, who gets the ball, who 00:25:58.109 --> 00:26:05.859 doesn't. They're there if there's any discrepancy 00:26:05.859 --> 00:26:12.980 with the refs and line refs. They're there to 00:26:12.980 --> 00:26:23.900 argue about it. Are there team captains in the 00:26:23.900 --> 00:26:30.420 NFL, or is that just academic? No, I think there's 00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:36.089 in the NFL. And that could be any... anyone that 00:26:36.950 --> 00:26:45.119 shows leadership capability. That can be team 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:50.279 captain, but a lot of times it could be a tackle. 00:26:52.829 --> 00:27:05.250 Receiver. Right. What did you think about the 00:27:05.250 --> 00:27:14.069 themes of faith and prayer in the movie? I liked 00:27:14.069 --> 00:27:18.240 it when the priest said, After 30, 40 years of 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.940 seminary, I know two things. There is a God and 00:27:22.940 --> 00:27:29.759 I'm not him. I think that made the whole point 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:38.250 of the whole movie. Rudy said, no, I must be 00:27:38.250 --> 00:27:41.230 doing something wrong. I must be not praying 00:27:41.230 --> 00:27:47.250 hard enough. I'm not working hard enough. And 00:27:47.250 --> 00:27:50.490 the priest kind of set him straight. It's on 00:27:50.490 --> 00:27:56.059 God's time. You know, if you're going to end, 00:27:56.730 --> 00:28:03.690 but really put the nail in it, it's the guy that's 00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:10.869 the black guy on the ground. Oh, Fortune. Yeah, 00:28:10.890 --> 00:28:14.750 Fortune. When he said, kind of when Rudy decided, 00:28:14.829 --> 00:28:19.369 I'm going to quit, I am tired, I busted up my 00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:25.539 body, I bled on the field. He was actually throwing 00:28:25.539 --> 00:28:29.650 in the towel and going to join his brother. And 00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:34.450 Fortune said, are you crazy? You're getting an 00:28:34.450 --> 00:28:37.410 education from the top schools in the nation. 00:28:37.970 --> 00:28:41.880 You don't have to prove nothing to nobody. Except 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:50.539 yourself. And that's what Rudy needed that slap 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:56.220 in the helmet moment. Was he a real guy or was 00:28:56.220 --> 00:29:01.299 he a fabrication for the movie? I don't know. 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:14.720 I saw an interview with Rudy. He talked about 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:19.220 his angels that came into his life at key points. 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:24.480 And he did talk that Future was a key person. 00:29:25.490 --> 00:29:32.210 And then when he came back on the field. People 00:29:32.210 --> 00:29:37.359 were surprised to see him in a game around the 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:44.730 applause or back. Now, that coach, Dan Devine, 00:29:44.829 --> 00:29:49.960 came from a collegiate. He came from the

Packers. 00:29:50.950 --> 00:29:53.609 No, he was collegiate before. Then he went to 00:29:53.609 --> 00:29:58.049 the Packers. Right. And he did not transfer over 00:29:58.049 --> 00:30:05.259 to professional football. He gave Packers some 00:30:05.259 --> 00:30:12.230 worse years in their history. So I remember that, 00:30:12.369 --> 00:30:15.190 and I remember him being fired, and he went back 00:30:15.190 --> 00:30:22.740 to North Carolina. And that kind of – they portrayed 00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:30.759 him well. It's just like you're the team captain 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:37.329 on a professional act like it. And that's what 00:30:37.329 --> 00:30:41.380 the team was really – Rudy earned the respect 00:30:41.380 --> 00:30:51.660 from the whole team. He's a great guy. Something 00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:56.220 that touches me is like when he didn't make a 00:30:56.220 --> 00:31:00.079 dress list and he just went, didn't talk to the 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.240 guys, he just left. And he did not see them standing 00:31:07.589 --> 00:31:13.440 up for him and saying, it's not right. And he 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:18.279 was just so in his own head. It's just like, 00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:23.640 you never really know. I mean, it's the George 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:28.779 Bailey principle. You never know how much you 00:31:28.779 --> 00:31:35.900 affect other people's lives. Yeah. We live in 00:31:35.900 --> 00:31:40.400 glass. It's true, we live in a glass house. Our 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.559 actions are watched by others, and we are judged 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:50.890 by others. And Rudy was showing to the world 00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:56.730 that he had something to give. And you could 00:31:56.730 --> 00:32:03.240 feel every time he got the rejection letter, 00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:10.680 you know, he got the, he just, you could tell 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:16.380 he kept eating at him. And every letter he got, 00:32:16.460 --> 00:32:25.869 you know, it was, it just knocked him down. And 00:32:25.869 --> 00:32:29.569 he just, and when the last, last hope he had 00:32:29.569 --> 00:32:33.039 to getting transfer over. from the junior college 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:38.740 into Notre Dame. And he was excited. The jubilation 00:32:38.740 --> 00:32:43.529 he felt. And the same way when he was accepted 00:32:43.529 --> 00:32:48.170 to be on the track, he was now a team player. 00:32:48.450 --> 00:32:51.589 The jubilation he felt. The audience felt it 00:32:51.589 --> 00:32:54.829 with him because they understand what he was 00:32:54.829 --> 00:32:56.890 going through at different points of his life. 00:32:57.109 --> 00:33:01.630 And then when he came home to visit, to find 00:33:01.630 --> 00:33:06.299 his brother with his ex -fiancée. As husband 00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:11.640 and wife. I mean, that just, in a way, I think 00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.519 that kind of, again, that was like another angel. 00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:23.319 It just completely closed that door. Yep. And 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:29.009 answered the question of what if. Yep. And that 00:33:29.009 --> 00:33:32.930 was it. And then he just totally threw himself 00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:37.589 into his dream when that happened. And then. 00:33:40.369 --> 00:33:43.230 You can tell the tension with the family when 00:33:43.230 --> 00:33:47.750 he came home from that Christmas. There was tension 00:33:47.750 --> 00:33:51.950 in the family. They didn't know how to react 00:33:51.950 --> 00:33:57.329 to Rudy because he was stepping outside the box. 00:33:58.190 --> 00:34:01.390 And they never had that before. They're all used 00:34:01.390 --> 00:34:03.609 to it. You get a job in the mill, work for the 00:34:03.609 --> 00:34:08.590 union, do your job, and just live by your house, 00:34:08.670 --> 00:34:13.369 live happy ever after. He was like a little droid. 00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:16.989 He was going outside the box. He was pushing 00:34:16.989 --> 00:34:24.349 himself. It changed when he came home and showed 00:34:24.349 --> 00:34:30.139 his dad that he made it into Notre Dame. His 00:34:30.139 --> 00:34:34.150 dad was surprised and became very proud of Rudy 00:34:34.150 --> 00:34:38.130 because no one has ever done that in the family. 00:34:38.949 --> 00:34:43.119 He was the first one to go to a higher education. 00:34:46.809 --> 00:34:48.989 And it's just breaking that cycle, you know. 00:34:50.269 --> 00:34:56.989 Can I tell you that this movie and Joe vs. Volcano 00:34:56.989 --> 00:35:02.230 gave me such an irrational fear and hatred of 00:35:02.230 --> 00:35:10.980 factory jobs. Well, they're designed to do that 00:35:10.980 --> 00:35:18.260 to people. You know, some people, some people, 00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:24.639 they will just. Float on through life. There 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:31.409 are people out there that would go over the horizon, 00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:37.239 look towards the future, see what's there, and 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:42.429 can I be better? Majority of people cannot. It's 00:35:42.429 --> 00:35:50.199 hard for them. Those people, like Rudy, you could 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:55.159 say they're explorers. They don't. cannot settle 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.000 for what there is around them. They see the horizon 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.980 and they got there. Something's drawing them 00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:06.820 to that horizon. And that's what make progress. 00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:12.760 Yeah. And when his dad saw his, his son making 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:18.769 it to Notre Dame and then on top, he, the last 00:36:18.769 --> 00:36:27.230 game playing against Georgia tech game, the game 00:36:27.230 --> 00:36:30.710 that would. determined that Notre Dame will go 00:36:30.710 --> 00:36:36.099 to a bowl. I think it was the Rose Bowl they're 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.820 playing for. So, yeah, the bowl of bowls, and 00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:54.280 that's where the team kind of, they decided they're

00:36:54.500 --> 00:37:01.539 in the last two minutes of the game. Going to 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.280 get a touchdown and bring defense on the field. 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:11.590 So Rudy can be on the – this is – so one guy 00:37:11.590 --> 00:37:14.489 said, it's all you. Remember this. If we screw 00:37:14.489 --> 00:37:18.090 up, you got to take the heat for it. I mean, 00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:20.949 I don't – I really don't understand why he was 00:37:20.949 --> 00:37:25.349 so upset. It's like they already locked in the 00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:27.960 – they already locked in the win. Like they had 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.820 34 seconds left. Ain't no way. Like it was a 00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:36.420 two, maybe three -score game. There was no way 00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:38.820 Georgia Tech was going to win that game. Why 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:50.889 was he so upset? Eagle. You get like a lot of 00:37:50.889 --> 00:37:56.670 coaches, themselves are prima donnas, and they 00:37:56.670 --> 00:38:00.909 want you to follow their script to the T and 00:38:00.909 --> 00:38:10.550 his plays. So it is, when you go off like that, 00:38:10.610 --> 00:38:16.139 that kind of throws the coach off kilter. So 00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:19.179 if you look at it, I'm confused what's going 00:38:19.179 --> 00:38:21.659 on here because it was not so long his game. 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:26.900 Well, I guess they could have put numbers up. 00:38:27.219 --> 00:38:30.099 If they scored, even if they lost the game, they 00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:34.010 could have put the numbers up with stats and 00:38:34.010 --> 00:38:38.949 stuff. And that is more important with divisionals 00:38:38.949 --> 00:38:44.170 and stuff. So I guess that makes sense. And also, 00:38:44.250 --> 00:38:47.489 you've got to remember, in collegiate football, 00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:56.469 They have two types of ratings for your placement. 00:38:57.369 --> 00:39:02.400 Wins and then there's also stats. Well, there's 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:06.780 one. And just what the judges want. And usually 00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:16.039 the AP poll ratings, which is a coach's poll, 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:24.489 if you get a lower number, they drop you. where 00:39:24.489 --> 00:39:30.750 you rank at. And so if, let's say, they screwed 00:39:30.750 --> 00:39:35.650 up and Georgia Tech gets a ball and they make 00:39:35.650 --> 00:39:41.789 a touchdown, that last set of plays will look 00:39:41.789 --> 00:39:45.380 bad for Notre Dame. Right. Because there's so 00:39:45.380 --> 00:39:49.130 many teams, there can't be a straight matchup 00:39:49.130 --> 00:39:54.019 like there is in the NFL. Right. So they got 00:39:54.019 --> 00:40:01.269 to... That's why you look at BYU. They kind of, 00:40:01.269 --> 00:40:04.630 well, we don't want to beat them, but we don't 00:40:04.630 --> 00:40:08.849 want to beat them that bad. They're the nice 00:40:08.849 --> 00:40:15.110 guys. Yeah. We'll just put in second stringers 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:19.949 in, and we'll help them out, get some touchdowns. 00:40:20.010 --> 00:40:22.989 And that ruins their chances of rising in the 00:40:22.989 --> 00:40:29.719 stats. Speaking of. Who do you got tonight? I'm 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.809 rooting for Cougars. Realistically, though, do 00:40:33.809 --> 00:40:36.650 you think the Cougars can beat Notre Dame? Yes, 00:40:36.670 --> 00:40:43.090 they did before. Have they? Yes. Maybe not in 00:40:43.090 --> 00:40:46.989 college game. It's college game day that is the 00:40:46.989 --> 00:40:53.380 factor because they played, I don't know if it 00:40:53.380 --> 00:40:56.960 was Texas or Iowa. I think it was Texas, but 00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.320 they played Texas last college game day and got 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.280 absolutely trounced. But then when they're not 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.179 on college game day, they completely beat the 00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:13.730 pants off of them. So it's just like. That's 00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:22.239 so much for all schools, you know. But the last 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:29.199 time BYU and Notre Dame went at each other, they 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:36.599 played on Notre Dame. And BYU was. was on their 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:42.030 second year undefeated. And everyone was rooting 00:41:42.030 --> 00:41:48.960 for Notre Dame because they're the bigs. Oh, 00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:55.349 yeah. They were the preference. And also they 00:41:55.349 --> 00:42:03.539 had all the big guys. Now, that was the year 00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:08.869 that BYU became national champions. Because that 00:42:08.869 --> 00:42:13.480 stunned them. Whole collegiate world. But going 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:18.449 back to this movie, you ever wonder how much 00:42:18.449 --> 00:42:23.090 time Sean Astin, Austin, had to do to prep for 00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:29.190 playing that role? I don't know. You kind of 00:42:29.190 --> 00:42:31.989 wonder how many weeks he had to work out in the 00:42:31.989 --> 00:42:36.730 gym to get himself buffed and also exercise. 00:42:38.349 --> 00:42:40.590 Believe it or not, he was actually on the field 00:42:40.590 --> 00:42:45.739 a bunch of days. And then you kind of wonder 00:42:45.739 --> 00:42:49.699 how much of that blood spilt was his own in real 00:42:49.699 --> 00:42:52.710 life. Yeah. I mean, it's been known to happen. 00:42:54.289 --> 00:42:56.949 Yeah. So you kind of wonder how many weeks ahead 00:42:56.949 --> 00:43:00.650 of time, before he started production, he had 00:43:00.650 --> 00:43:03.309 to work out in the gym to get himself in tone 00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:07.690 and shape and ready to hit the field and make 00:43:07.690 --> 00:43:11.099 it look real. And then he let himself go six 00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:22.429 years later. I'm just kidding. But final question 00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:27.139 of why does this speak to you? Final thoughts 00:43:27.139 --> 00:43:32.980 and numerical ranking out of 10. Final

thoughts 00:43:32.980 --> 00:43:39.190 is I see myself as Rudy a lot. I see reflection 00:43:39.190 --> 00:43:44.639 of Rudy's life as my life. And people in the 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.079 audience will see similarities to what Rudy went 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:52.559 through. I mean, this was a David against Goliath. 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:59.329 Many Goliaths. One David against two Goliaths. 00:43:59.909 --> 00:44:05.929 I would say about at least a dozen. Plus himself. 00:44:06.860 --> 00:44:09.559 Because a couple of times throughout the movie, 00:44:09.619 --> 00:44:13.489 he faltered and he went down on a knee. They're 00:44:13.489 --> 00:44:16.849 ready to surrender. But this angel was there 00:44:16.849 --> 00:44:22.519 to pick them up and shake them awake and have 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:26.920 belief in them. And that's why I say this is 00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:32.239 one of the best underdog movies to ever hit the 00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.070 screen. And that was, I grant you there is some 00:44:36.070 --> 00:44:38.309 artistic license going on in the movie, like 00:44:38.309 --> 00:44:44.730 all movies, but to make it walk through. But 00:44:44.730 --> 00:44:48.210 just knowing the fact that it's like 75 % of 00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:53.250 the movie was true. And what Rudy went through 00:44:53.250 --> 00:44:59.420 and how emotional he was when he gave him an 00:44:59.420 --> 00:45:03.920 interview after the movie came out and he was 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:07.079 talking about it, his emotion was still there. 00:45:09.380 --> 00:45:16.219 And to have him be carried off the field by his 00:45:16.219 --> 00:45:22.010 team players, it was like... Playing just me 00:45:22.010 --> 00:45:26.269 on the field for one set was all he was asking 00:45:26.269 --> 00:45:34.090 for. He got the sack. That was the icing on the 00:45:34.090 --> 00:45:40.130 cake. He got the sack of the quarterback behind 00:45:40.130 --> 00:45:47.030 the scrimmage. You can't ask anything better 00:45:47.030 --> 00:45:53.960 that will live on in his life forever. Because 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:59.570 of his grit and desire, his siblings that came 00:45:59.570 --> 00:46:05.489 after him went to college and got their degrees 00:46:05.489 --> 00:46:10.920 in higher education. They broke that cycle. They 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:20.059 broke that cycle of just take your seat on the 00:46:20.059 --> 00:46:22.820 boat and you just roll like everybody else. And 00:46:22.820 --> 00:46:26.710 just get along, get along. And just be happy 00:46:26.710 --> 00:46:31.349 you have. Give him a carrot. Rudy, we got the 00:46:31.349 --> 00:46:39.860 buffet. Now, my rating for this movie? This would 00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:43.630 be the highest rating I'll give any movie. Really? 00:46:43.710 --> 00:46:51.489 This would be a 9 .88. Right, because you don't 00:46:51.489 --> 00:46:56.380 give 10s. God, I don't give 10s. But it's the 00:46:56.380 --> 00:47:00.289 closest movie that I would give close to perfection. 00:47:00.909 --> 00:47:08.000 Interesting. Very interesting. I'm very curious 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:18.099 about our next episode then. For me, this movie 00:47:18.099 --> 00:47:21.280 really speaks to me because of his relationship 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:32.449 with Pete. And just reminds me of my own best 00:47:32.449 --> 00:47:41.139 friendship. And again, that grit and determination. 00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:50.170 And I feel like this podcast is my... sacking 00:47:50.170 --> 00:47:55.269 of the quarterback. I'm not playing for Notre 00:47:55.269 --> 00:48:02.349 Dame, but I'm still being able to talk about 00:48:02.349 --> 00:48:10.699 movies and still be in that world. And yeah, 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:17.369 I give it 10 out of 10. I honestly can't see 00:48:17.369 --> 00:48:24.119 a problem with it. I mean, like, maybe it could 00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:30.789 be said about... Maybe the visuals, aside from 00:48:30.789 --> 00:48:36.179 on the field, is nothing right home about. But 00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:39.389 the music is great. The performances are really 00:48:39.389 --> 00:48:43.969 good. It's very fun to see a young Jon Favreau. 00:48:47.739 --> 00:48:59.119 Yeah. 10 out of 10. Go B -boys, go Cougs. With 00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:00.760 that being said, there's our show brought to 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.300 you by Popcorn Fumes and A Prayer. Our executive 00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:06.619 producer is Penny Pinter. Our director of photography 00:49:06.619 --> 00:49:09.440 is Cam Speed. Our first AD is Slade Clapper. 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:12.940 Audio is by Check12. Our legal is by Sumi Ideria. 00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:16.019 Makeup is by Make You Pretty. 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