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John Wayne could not stop cussing. What are you
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doing? That's a ram. You got to make the first
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step. He's not. It's a big challenge to overcome.
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What do you think that the rhino might represent?
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Hi, welcome back to The Concession Stand. I'm
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your host, C. Lovo Cousineau, and today I have
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with me, welcome back, Dallin. Thanks for having
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me back. What movie are we talking about today,
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Dallin? You're talking about Hattari? Yes. Starring
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John Lane? Yes, a 1962 film by Howard Hawks.
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First off, what are your thoughts? general thoughts
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about hitari and like when did you first see
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it that kind of stuff i first saw hitari when
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i was a young a young lad and uh it has it's
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been my favorite movie for a lot of years i think
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it's a lot of fun and it's kind of kind of um
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grew in me a sense of you know wanting to in
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the outdoors and you know catch animals and that
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sort of thing um and i just kind of sort of felt
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like that was a just a very cool thing and it
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it is definitely a cool movie yeah for sure i
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mean i hadn't seen it probably for like six,
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maybe eight years before I watched it yesterday
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and today. So it was really fun to revisit. What
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do you know about the history and the background
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of the movie? Well, I know it is actually filmed
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in Africa in the early 1960s. It's really interesting.
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I know one of our actors is a World War II veteran.
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It's a fantastic movie. It's really kind of set
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in that time period. I wouldn't say they're trying
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to portray anything differently. It's portrayed
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in the 1960s. Yeah. And zoo practices. Honestly,
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I don't know. Maybe it's better catching animals
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in the wild rather than raising them in captivity.
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But what do I know? So things were done differently
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back then than what we do today. Right. um it's
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it's i don't know if things have really changed
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over the years but i can imagine maybe they don't
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you know they're not like hatching a whole bunch
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of animals and putting them in zoos although
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in certain parts of the world that may still
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be done right that may still be done in africa
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so it's it's one of those interesting things
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that i have to do some more research on But things
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were certainly done differently back then. And
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the views that they have regarding race or anything,
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you know, is of that era. Yeah. That is a very
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important thing to disclose. Yeah. Let me just
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tell you. I first watched it when I was very
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young, too. So, Hattari and James and the Giant
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Peach. Gave me an irrational fear of rhinos for
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the longest time. Yep. Yep. But I would agree.
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So I think one of the coolest things about this
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movie is that it starts before the credits roll.
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Yes. And this is... one of the things back then
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they used to roll the credits before you watch
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the movie and now nowadays it's after the movie
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but in this case is you have the intro the introduction
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scenes of them going after this dangerous rhino
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and um one of our guys he gets He gets horned
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by the rhino and they have to take him out and,
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you know, drive him back. And that's when your
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credits roll is when they're playing the music
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and they're driving as fast as they can across
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the, and so far. And that's score though, man.
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Like, yeah, it's definitely of its time. Yeah.
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Iconic. It really is. Yeah. It's, it's so. unique
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to everything else that I've seen. There's a
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bit of foreshadowing involved there and it's
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fun. It's very interesting. It's like in the
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middle of old filmmaking conventions and modern
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filmmaking conventions of story structure and
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stuff like that. I heard a put that it's the
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hangout movie before hangout movies became a
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thing. Yeah. Because most of the movie is this
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crew hanging out together and interspersed with
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catching animals. Oh,
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definitely. It's interesting
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there's not whole total plot line it's just that
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they're there and they're working and they're
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doing their job um but their job is so unique
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which makes the movie interesting and so we're
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you know faced off with you know catching different
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kinds of animals and what i hear which is unique
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to this movie is is that the actor the actors
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got to do a lot of the wrangling and catching
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themselves Which you don't see a lot of that
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nowadays. And it's hilarious that almost every
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single animal wrangling scene had to be redubbed
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because John Wayne could not stop cussing at
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the animals. Really? Yeah. I guess I can see
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that for sure. So, who's your favorite character?
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Oh, John Wayne, for sure. And then maybe next
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on the list, you know, maybe Kurt. Kurt is, he's
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the driver of the other car, and he's like the
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race car driver, you know. Very unique characters.
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You have Kurt and the guy, the French guy. Chips.
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Where it's. Yeah. And they're both fighting for
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the girl. Mm hmm. So there's there's tension
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in the movie. There's. Yeah. You know. A lot
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of good stuff there. I really love Pockets. He's
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so funny. It's as cool. Very funny guy. Pockets.
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There's everything in his. Yeah. Pockets and
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Little Wolf is also pretty fun. Yeah. I will
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say, Pockets probably inspired me to wear cargo
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pants, and they are comfy. Well... They're useful,
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I will give you that. They are useful. Not sure
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if I would say comfy, but... Yeah. I guess it
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depends on your belt. That's true. So the humor
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in the movie. You know, there is at one point
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they are trying to they have this Dallas found
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this baby elephant and they're trying to feed
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this baby elephant and they're like, what are
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we going to do? we're gonna shove a tube down
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its throat well no we can't do that because that'll
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you know suffocate the elephant and so they're
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trying to figure out what to do and dallas starts
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hand feeding um with the palm of her hand feeding
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the elephant right and so then we have the scene
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where we have like dozens of goats lined up and
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They're milking the goats. And Sean, who's played
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by John Wayne, goes over to Pockets and he's
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like, he's like, what are you doing? That's a
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ram. Yeah. I'm going to milk this thing. You
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wonder if that was the impetus. No. I wonder
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if that's the impetus for that joke and family
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guy. I wonder, probably. But, like, specifically,
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I like the dialogue. And when they first meet
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Dallas, he's like, oh, I see you've been drinking.
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He's like, no, you've been drinking a little.
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No, ma 'am. I've been drinking a lot. A lot.
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And the whole circle around was, I don't know.
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Well, who's that? I don't know. What'd he say?
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I don't know. Don't say that again. Uh -huh.
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Uh, it's just... There's something so... John
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Wayne can play the flummoxed so well. Yeah. But
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yeah, very unique characters for their time.
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Yeah. Specifically, though, what speaks to you
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about with this movie? Like, why is it you said
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you said it was your favorite movie? I want to
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say it's my favorite movie. One of my favorites
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because it's so different in the sense. Not many
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other movies are going out there and catching
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live animals and going after some dangerous game
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because they're going to put it in a zoo. And
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they're racing around in these cars chasing giraffes
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or wild buffalo and racing across the Sahara.
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It's kind of a whole unique experience in itself.
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And these vehicles, you know, there's a Jeep
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from World War II, you know, a Willie's Jeep,
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and then there's this older truck, you know.
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Those things were bulletproof back in those days,
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you know, that you, you know, fill the radiator
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with water and you just go, you know. So, it's...
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the whole kind of era you know that i'm a fan
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of and it's it's uh going out there and doing
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some fun stuff you know and albeit maybe a bit
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dangerous you know but that's that's kind of
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the magic of it all is how was it filmed yeah
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this i still don't know you know yeah Let's talk
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about the romance. Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was
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only just going to say, oftentimes I wonder,
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you know, how is it that they filmed some of
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those chase scenes, you know? So there's some
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definite movie magic to it. Things that were
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practical back then, you know, whereas nowadays
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we just use green screens and it's all there.
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You know, I don't think back then they had...
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you know green screen uh or or like digitally
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you know putting something in there you know
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yeah and of course like for a lot of like the
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close -up of the car close -ups of the car as
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obviously rear projection that kind of stuff
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but it's just like for sure like you could tell
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Like, there's real danger there. Yep. I often
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wonder how is it they filmed the beginning scene
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where the man is gored by the rhino. Like, how
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was that done? Yeah, I don't know. And I just
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want to ask, like, we obviously saw the rhino,
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you know, hit that truck. And possibly... get
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that guy you know possibly gorham was he you
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know actually injured for real or just like what
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i think happened what i think happened is um
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they probably put like the fake blood and the
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warm pants on before before rolling and then
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they just let the rhino do its thing it couldn't
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have been Couldn't have been real, but it makes
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you wonder, you know. Yeah, it's so interesting,
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you know, so many questions. Yeah. So let's talk
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about the romance. What do you think about it?
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And has it informed your decisions? I think it's
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a, I think. The romance in this movie is kind
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of interesting. You know, John Wayne is here,
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or Sean, as his name is in the movie, is very
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hesitant at first and throughout the movie, and
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not so much later in the movie, but at first
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and sometime through, he's afraid of Dallas and
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doesn't want to fall in love again. Maybe, you
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know, maybe there's some thoughts of like, oh,
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I can't fall in love again. Women are like this,
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you know, liability, just like dangerous to have
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around sort of thing, you know. And Dallas talks
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about putting butter on his fingers, you know.
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You should put butter on your fingers, you know.
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there's this conversation they have later which
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is what do you do when you burn your fingers
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well you put butter on them you know um so dallas
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is aware of the fact that he's a prior relationship
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and that um that that ended sour you know and
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so she thinks it's I think it's interesting.
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I think he thinks that he's not good enough for
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him by the end of the movie. And all of a sudden,
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you know, he's trying to get her back. You know,
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whatever means possible, you know, bringing in
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the bloodhounds, which are the elephants, you
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know, to come sniff her and, you know, chase
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her down. So it's kind of a wild ride. Yeah.
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But at first very hesitant and then, you know,
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finds out, you know, that he actually left her.
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And so that's kind of how it went. I think the
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whole saga of Brett with Brandy is kind of hilarious,
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honestly. Oh, yeah. It's something I never expected.
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But I think happens, you know, fairly often.
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It's one of those things like, she doesn't really
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love me, you know, pockets, you know, just standing
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there and watching these two other guys fight
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for her. And, you know, showing off or, you know,
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doing things. And obviously, they're good friends
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with Brandy. But then ultimately, Brandy chews
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pockets. He chews pockets. Which I think is interesting
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and unexpected, you know? I just located my shoulder.
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You messed up your leg, and he gets the ice.
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And he gets the ice. I think when Dallas talks
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to pockets, That first night, asking him about
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Sean. He said some things that are not great
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advice at all. And could be a little toxic. But
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the other half of that is actually pretty good
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advice. Because he talks about how Sean is kind
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of mean to her. Because he likes her, but he
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kind of wants to push her away. Because he doesn't
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want to get hurt again. And it's just like, that's...
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That's not a great message. But then the second
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half of that is like, well, what do I do? It's
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like, that's the key. What do you do? Because
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you got to make the first step. He's not. Right.
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I honestly think that's pretty solid advice.
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Yeah. If he's not going to make the first, you
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know, advanced or step, you know, she ought to.
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Yeah. You know. It's kind of the whole thing
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that we, you know, think about romance these
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days is that, oh, it's always the guy that makes,
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you know, the first, you know, ask the girl out
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on a date. But you realize it can be the other
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way around. So there are, you know, especially
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in this case, it's probably what Sean needed,
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you know. What's also interesting is how they
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started was Dallas asks him, well, how do you
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like to kiss? What do you mean? Iconic. Low -key
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want to try that line sometime. But he's like,
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obviously it worked. Yeah, it worked for them.
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You know? So it's kind of interesting, for sure.
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Something that I kind of see, you know, is that
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if two people kind of click together, you know,
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and enjoy each other's company, well, naturally
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they'll want to spend more time together. And
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that's, you know, kind of a good place to start.
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Yeah, I think a very interesting part is, well,
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what do you think of the catching the monkeys
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scene? I think it's very cool. I think it goes
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to show that Pockets is actually more ingenious
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than what, you know, than what everybody else
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gives him to be, you know. And I've always kind
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of thought, well, you know, it'd be kind of cool
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to learn all this stuff. And so it kind of inspires
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me to take some other different science classes
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and things like that. Anybody can learn anything,
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whatever they want to learn. As long as there's
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a way, there's a will, there's a way. And then
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after the end of all of that, Pockets doesn't
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get to see his own rocket fly. But I think it's
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a very cool way to catch monkeys. Something I've
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never thought of before. Especially when you
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have an order for like 500. It's just like...
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Right. You gotta catch them all. Gotta be the
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very best. Like no one's ever known. But... Let's
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see. I really like when movies bookend each other.
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When movies bookend themselves. Yep. like with
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this his book ended in two ways with the rhino
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and then also dallas's first meeting and at the
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end and they get married and it's that whole
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scene playing out all over again plus elephants
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um what do you think that the If you had to take
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a stab, what do you think that the rhino might
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represent? Well, I know that they mentioned that
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it was, you know, that there was a curse and
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that the rhino killed. Oh, what's her name? Brandy's
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dad. Brandy. I was going to say Sandy. Brandy's
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father. And then after that, it gets the Indian.
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And so, you know, it's like, what are we going
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to do? It's a big challenge to overcome. And
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so it's one of those things that it climaxes
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up until the end. And there's that climax. The
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rhino. you know, gets up and escapes and they
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have to chase it again. And they finally get
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it, you know. It's like one of those problems
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you just have to, you know, keep at it until
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it's exhausted. Yeah. And then you can, you know,
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get over that obstacle. In that movie, I think
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it really represents a kind of the end of their
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journey. that that was that was the last one
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that they were going to get also signifies the
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end of that you know that jinx they call it and
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i don't know it just kind of makes me wonder
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it's like you never know you never find out when
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uh sean's first relationship kind of fell through
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you didn't really know when brandy's dad died
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And so you just kind of wonder. To me, it kind
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of feels like thematically he was stuck since
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maybe losing Brandy's dad and then the relationship
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falling through. And then he finally overcomes
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and they catch the rhino. And then he can kind
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of breathe, you know? Yep. I thought of something.
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It was a journey there. Yeah. So, Howard Hawks,
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I learned this later, that he made a lot of movies
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and his style and storytelling style was he was
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fascinated with professionals and competence.
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And so, like, all of his, a lot, or if not all
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of his movies were about just a group of professionals
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working together. And, like, that team and camaraderie.
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Right. Like, you could definitely see that, especially
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when it comes to catching the monkeys. It's just,
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like, they trusted Pockets. now you promised
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sean you promised so it's just like um yeah awesome
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stuff the music yes very iconic is ingrained
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into my memory forever it's fascinating when
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he no one seems to know hatari But everyone knows
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the Baby Elephant song. That's great. Everyone
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knows it. I don't know. I'm not a music person
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who can analyze stuff, but I'm kind of curious.
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What makes that so iconic? I think back then,
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especially back then, they used to make their
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own music for the movies and they would add them
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in. Normally they would have a symphony orchestra
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playing the whole thing and that's what they
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do. They have a score that they follow. And so,
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you know, and maybe to this day, maybe that practice
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is still followed. Maybe it isn't. But I really
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do think that's a very cool way to do things.
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And, you know, things have changed over the years.
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But back then, especially, that was something
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they did. it's very unique um that they would
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you know use the orchestras and and sync them
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up and you know kind of you know i'm gonna make
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sure it's all you know i'm just right you know
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:01.000
however they do that yeah but real orchestras
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you know playing real music instead is something
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that's um from another artist yeah not like a
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:14.319
needle drop it's like yeah i guess there's kind
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of needle drops but not really uh so i guess
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to address the elephant in the room pun intended
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how do you think it handled the setting Africa
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in the 1960s. And especially those racial sensitivities
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in the United States. Oh, yeah. I think they
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handled it very well. You know? There was a...
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You know, there... When I watch this movie, it's
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it's not like I think of anything, you know,
00:31:09.769 --> 00:31:12.410
anybody being racist or anything towards, you
00:31:12.410 --> 00:31:15.650
know, one another. It's it's really they're living
00:31:15.650 --> 00:31:20.569
in Africa and they're doing, you know, safari
00:31:20.569 --> 00:31:28.289
things. And so it's. There's there's no segregation,
00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:30.970
there's just, you know, we're going to get together,
00:31:31.109 --> 00:31:33.190
we're going to get this done. Yeah. You know,
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and. I believe some of the actors even learned
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.579
a little bit of Swahili, you know, to be able
00:31:40.579 --> 00:31:44.799
to work with the natives, you know, in the production
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:53.039
of this movie. And so I think it was kind of
00:31:53.039 --> 00:32:00.440
one of those, it was a, you know, very good movie.
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.099
Yeah. Very good the way they did things, you
00:32:04.099 --> 00:32:06.880
know. Let's just say that it was handled a lot
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:17.839
better than India in Temple of Doom. Right. Oh,
00:32:17.859 --> 00:32:25.900
boy. For sure. But, yeah. Any final thoughts
00:32:25.900 --> 00:32:35.200
before we wrap up? You know, I just think it's
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a fantastic movie. Everybody should watch it.
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I showed it to my fiance and she just loved it.
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And so, you know, I recommend it to anybody who
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wants to broaden their horizons a little bit
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and watch an old
movie, you know. And it's an
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old movie, but it has color and it's just simply
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.809
magical the way they do things. right the way
00:33:04.809 --> 00:33:09.609
they did things and so it's it's a fantastic
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move i would recommend it to anybody yeah uh
00:33:13.910 --> 00:33:20.029
for me it's it's got an unmistakable charm like
00:33:20.029 --> 00:33:25.190
john wayne in my opinion can't make a bad movie
00:33:25.190 --> 00:33:32.410
so for sure uh what would you give it out of
00:33:32.410 --> 00:33:42.009
ten Oh, well, one of my favorites of all time.
00:33:43.069 --> 00:33:50.549
Honestly, nine out of ten. Yeah, I... There's
00:33:50.549 --> 00:33:53.390
not a lot of stuff that I don't like. There's
00:33:53.390 --> 00:33:58.710
not, like, any villains, really, that makes me
00:33:58.710 --> 00:34:04.140
dislike the movie hardly, you know? There's been
00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:06.619
some other movies that are kind of gut -wrenching
00:34:06.619 --> 00:34:11.719
for me to watch where one of our protagonists
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:17.039
is attacked and killed or, you know, maimed in
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:21.300
some way. And it's just like, there are some
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:25.000
of those movies where they really write the antagonist
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:31.039
to be someone, you know, who you really hate,
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.820
you know. There was a movie, for example, where
00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:40.460
John Wayne was killed. And this other actor,
00:34:40.539 --> 00:34:45.400
you know, who did the killing, you know, he said
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.760
he was glad to do it. But he was kind of, you
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:55.239
know, dare I say, persecuted or sent, you know,
00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:59.460
death threats after this movie, you know. It's
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.929
so interesting. The feelings that... that a movie
00:35:02.929 --> 00:35:07.050
can bring out of us more particularly. Was it
00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:11.530
True Grit? But this movie, I think it was called
00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:20.789
The Cowboys. Where there was a bunch of kids
00:35:20.789 --> 00:35:25.369
and he was teaching them how to be cowboys and
00:35:25.369 --> 00:35:27.969
how to wrangle cattle. And this is one of John
00:35:27.969 --> 00:35:33.900
Wayne's later movies. or antagonist i can't remember
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:40.179
the actor's name well you know spoilers um killed
00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:43.519
them later and the boys you know they become
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:49.440
men in a sense and and take um his revenge i
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.519
think i might have seen you watching that really
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.119
interesting i've seen clips of it uh i've i've
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:58.639
watched the entire thing you've probably just
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.010
seen me watching some clips um i really like
00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:05.570
the movie my mom hated it because john wynn dies
00:36:05.570 --> 00:36:11.590
it's violent um there's some you know cursing
00:36:11.590 --> 00:36:14.530
and things like that but it's pretty typical
00:36:14.530 --> 00:36:20.570
you know yeah pretty probably pretty tame for
00:36:20.570 --> 00:36:24.250
sure for sure comparing to today's movies yeah
00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:35.800
uh yeah I... I'd probably give it an 8 .5. Probably
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:41.619
a 9. I don't know. There's just some things that...
00:36:41.619 --> 00:36:54.119
I think maybe didn't age too well. But... For
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:59.150
sure. But of course, that's just my... Modern
00:36:59.150 --> 00:37:05.010
brain trying to reconcile with, you know, a product
00:37:05.010 --> 00:37:09.369
of the time. Yeah. Just curious, what do you
00:37:09.369 --> 00:37:13.250
think didn't age so well? You know, something
00:37:13.250 --> 00:37:16.449
to think about, something I don't think I quite
00:37:16.449 --> 00:37:23.010
thought of. Just Sean's mild misogyny. Oh, for
00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:26.309
sure. For sure. Yeah. It's like women are a damn
00:37:26.309 --> 00:37:30.940
nuisance. It's like, well, I don't know. I think
00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:35.019
that was really the time, that's for sure. It's
00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:39.780
one of those things that didn't age well. I guess
00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:44.519
I do appreciate when they do express ideas like
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:50.059
that, they are kind of looked at as pretty ridiculous
00:37:50.059 --> 00:37:56.139
and maybe played up for laughs. Yeah. That's
00:37:56.139 --> 00:38:01.250
for sure. I don't know. Maybe I've gone... I
00:38:01.250 --> 00:38:05.150
don't know. But... Anywho, with that being said,
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