התמלול המלא של Fact or Fiction: Ryan Day Has Lowered the Standards at Ohio State

don't understand the complacency aspect 74 00:04:17.379 --> 00:04:20.079 of it other than well you're you keep allowing the 75 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:23.699 losing it's like well that's not what they're shooting for 76 00:04:23.730 --> 00:04:29.100 um and then lowered the standard of the programs because 77 00:04:29.139 --> 00:04:31.180 his fear of losing is greater than his desire to win. 78 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:32.959 Let's just pick up the first part of that of 79 00:04:33.100 --> 00:04:37.199 lowering the standard of the program. And I'll say this 80 00:04:37.339 --> 00:04:41.639 with Transfer Portal and NIL now, everybody's standard is lowered 81 00:04:41.779 --> 00:04:46.379 in terms of how you maintain a program. And, you know, 82 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.000 everybody will look back to like Urban Meyer's time and 83 00:04:50.060 --> 00:04:54.199 he would have never allowed this to happen. What would 84 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:56.720 the lowering, what would the standards have looked like with 85 00:04:57.050 --> 00:05:00.720 the portal there and NIL there. We saw what happened 86 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.800 in 2015 when they came back from a national championship 87 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:04.720 and they were very excited and satisfied. 88 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.560 You want to know what complacency looks like. That's what 89 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:08.680 complacency looks like. 90 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.139 Right. And imagine them now as all millionaires as well. 91 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.939 And just imagine what that team would have looked like. 92 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.970 So like the standard of the program is something that 93 00:05:20.009 --> 00:05:22.189 Ryan Day always talks about. You got to maintain the standard. 94 00:05:22.209 --> 00:05:24.490 You got to play to the standard. It doesn't matter 95 00:05:24.509 --> 00:05:26.509 if your backup going in, there's a standard that you 96 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.199 have to maintain. The problem is, and we've talked about 97 00:05:30.220 --> 00:05:32.360 it before, the backups that go in now generally are 98 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.740 third stringers, would normally be third or fourth stringers because 99 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:39.120 the backups generally, the backups go in, play somewhere else, 100 00:05:39.290 --> 00:05:42.370 and start. So the standard of the program, I think, 101 00:05:42.389 --> 00:05:46.110 is just lowering the standard. I would disagree with that, 102 00:05:46.149 --> 00:05:48.870 but also agree in a sense, I'd say it's fact 103 00:05:49.050 --> 00:05:52.639 in that this is not Ryan Day doing this. This 104 00:05:52.699 --> 00:05:53.920 is the nature of the sports. 105 00:05:55.660 --> 00:06:01.120 Right. Like, the level has gone down in a way, like, 106 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:02.980 the level of the ocean goes down when you're at 107 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.189 the beach when the tide goes out. Like, it's not 108 00:06:05.250 --> 00:06:07.930 because the ocean's not trying. It's because that's sort of 109 00:06:08.050 --> 00:06:13.839 how it's going. Stupid mood. Stupid moon, yes. It is, 110 00:06:13.850 --> 00:06:18.540 I think... one of these things where people haven't completely 111 00:06:18.660 --> 00:06:21.920 adjusted their expectations to the new realities of college football. 112 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:23.439 Cause we run into this on our message board all 113 00:06:23.459 --> 00:06:25.759 the time where it's like, I don't understand why Ohio 114 00:06:25.779 --> 00:06:28.300 state doesn't have a better backup where if Jay Timmons leaves, 115 00:06:28.379 --> 00:06:32.000 then you know, they, they're playing someone, they have to 116 00:06:32.019 --> 00:06:34.399 play a true freshman like Simeon Caldwell in that spot. 117 00:06:34.459 --> 00:06:36.990 And I don't understand why you don't have someone way 118 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:38.550 better than that. It's like, well, cause the guy who 119 00:06:38.589 --> 00:06:40.470 was way better than that, who probably would have been 120 00:06:40.490 --> 00:06:42.430 in that spot is Bryce West. And he's currently, uh, 121 00:06:42.819 --> 00:06:45.180 getting paid like a starter and playing as a starter 122 00:06:45.259 --> 00:06:47.230 for the Wisconsin Badgers, who were also having a pretty 123 00:06:47.250 --> 00:06:50.750 good season. You don't keep all the guys that you 124 00:06:50.769 --> 00:06:52.759 would have kept before. Like you go through the 2024, 125 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:57.250 2025 recruiting classes. So many of those guys are gone already. 126 00:06:57.790 --> 00:06:59.790 And some of them are playing other places. Some of 127 00:06:59.810 --> 00:07:01.990 them are not, you know, I'm not saying Aaron Scott's 128 00:07:02.029 --> 00:07:04.910 name because we'll see Aaron Scott this weekend at Ohio Stadium. 129 00:07:04.930 --> 00:07:06.769 He will be standing on the sidelines and not doing 130 00:07:06.810 --> 00:07:08.970 a whole lot generally because he has not played a 131 00:07:08.970 --> 00:07:11.649 whole lot. But there are guys who have left who 132 00:07:11.709 --> 00:07:15.519 have been guys who are playing big roles at their 133 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.139 new schools. And that's something that everyone's running into. And 134 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:21.079 it's like, well, I don't understand why Ohio State can't 135 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:22.899 do more to do that. So it's like, point me 136 00:07:22.939 --> 00:07:25.920 to the school that has as much depth as they 137 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:28.579 had five years ago. Like, show me, show me the 138 00:07:28.620 --> 00:07:30.509 team in the nation that has as much depth as 139 00:07:30.529 --> 00:07:32.410 they had 10 years ago, five years ago. Like, it 140 00:07:32.449 --> 00:07:37.170 doesn't exist. And that's why you're getting these results where, okay, 141 00:07:37.209 --> 00:07:39.930 why is Ohio State losing games to teams where

they're 142 00:07:40.009 --> 00:07:43.240 a favorite? Like, they lost to They just lost to USC. 143 00:07:43.300 --> 00:07:47.660 Why are you losing to USC? Well, who is the 144 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:49.959 example that you want to follow of the team that's 145 00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:53.410 playing these good teams and winning all these games? Georgia 146 00:07:53.610 --> 00:07:56.629 is probably the standard bearer to me this year in 147 00:07:56.670 --> 00:07:59.149 terms of a team that has actually had to play 148 00:07:59.290 --> 00:08:03.269 actual competition. Sorry, Miami Hurricanes, you don't qualify there. But 149 00:08:03.310 --> 00:08:06.019 a team that's had to play good competition on a 150 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.579 fairly regular basis, they lost at home to a 4-4 151 00:08:08.579 --> 00:08:12.620 Auburn team. Their fans are looking at that and going, 152 00:08:12.750 --> 00:08:16.129 I don't understand why you can't beat a mediocre team 153 00:08:16.170 --> 00:08:18.870 at home. And did that take some weird bounces? Yeah, 154 00:08:18.889 --> 00:08:22.009 it took some weird bounces. But Ohio State's losses have 155 00:08:22.050 --> 00:08:25.069 taken some, you know, one weird play here or there. Like, 156 00:08:25.089 --> 00:08:28.350 that's kind of what it takes to lose at this level. So, yeah, 157 00:08:29.649 --> 00:08:34.129 I don't think the level of the expectation has gone down. 158 00:08:34.269 --> 00:08:37.419 It's just sort of like you can't fill all the 159 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.159 roles that you used to fill. You can't fill all 160 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.470 the spots that you used to fill. The starters, I 161 00:08:41.490 --> 00:08:43.389 think the level of play from the starters has been 162 00:08:43.529 --> 00:08:49.690 pretty good by and large. But when you have had 163 00:08:50.210 --> 00:08:52.649 some of the injuries that they've had at key spots, 164 00:08:53.549 --> 00:08:55.669 the drop-off from one to two is bigger than it 165 00:08:55.730 --> 00:08:57.929 used to be. And that's true everywhere in college football. 166 00:08:57.950 --> 00:08:59.950 But when you have key injuries at key spots, you 167 00:09:00.190 --> 00:09:01.590 really notice it sometimes. 168 00:09:02.590 --> 00:09:04.950 Yeah, and when you lose entire recruiting classes to the 169 00:09:04.990 --> 00:09:08.120 transfer portal in terms of positionally, like a defensive tackle 170 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:12.259 or receiver or a win... you take those hits, you're, 171 00:09:12.820 --> 00:09:17.110 you're trying to fill that up with either transfers or 172 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.769 true freshmen. And the transfer hit rate can only be 173 00:09:21.830 --> 00:09:25.370 so high because there's only so much vetting and things 174 00:09:25.409 --> 00:09:28.549 that can go on. So yeah, it's just, you're dealing 175 00:09:28.570 --> 00:09:31.350 with a very different situation than Urban Meyer or Jim 176 00:09:31.370 --> 00:09:33.350 Trestle ever had to. And I know that's, those are 177 00:09:33.370 --> 00:09:34.909 going to be the guys that could, that Ryan Day 178 00:09:34.950 --> 00:09:37.789 continues to get compared to. And it's just a different 179 00:09:38.950 --> 00:09:44.220 brand of college football. It's, different circumstances that I think 180 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:49.889 people aren't necessarily attributing anything to just yet. So the 181 00:09:50.470 --> 00:09:53.610 last thing on this, Ryan Day has lowered the standard 182 00:09:53.629 --> 00:09:57.830 because his fear of losing is greater than his desire 183 00:09:57.909 --> 00:10:01.990 to win. And I don't know that I've ever seen 184 00:10:02.029 --> 00:10:07.450 him tight in terms of nervous about, boy, we can't 185 00:10:07.470 --> 00:10:13.039 afford to lose this. Now, he's very matter-of-fact, or like 186 00:10:13.139 --> 00:10:16.519 on Tuesday, he didn't seem scared or worried. He was 187 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.029 just saying, like, this is a big game. this is 188 00:10:20.049 --> 00:10:23.269 an opportunity for the players to, to, you know, start 189 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.820 to write their legacy. And I, we told them that, 190 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.639 you know, if you lose this, then your opportunity to 191 00:10:30.940 --> 00:10:33.519 create something bigger has kind of gone out the window. 192 00:10:33.539 --> 00:10:40.179 I asked Isaiah West, cause he said that somebody asked 193 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:42.799 the mood and he said, you know, it's kind of 194 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:46.179 heavy right now. And then he said like, not tight. 195 00:10:46.340 --> 00:10:49.059 We're not tight, but it's heavy. And so then I 196 00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:51.320 asked him, like, is that heaviness an obstacle? He's like, no, 197 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:52.799 this is Ohio State. There's always going to be pressure. 198 00:10:52.820 --> 00:10:56.000 There's always going to be big games. So, like, I've 199 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.990 never gotten from Ryan Day that his fear of losing 200 00:11:01.009 --> 00:11:04.149 is greater than his desire to win. So I would 201 00:11:04.169 --> 00:11:06.470 say fiction on that, but maybe I'm reading him wrong. 202 00:11:07.549 --> 00:11:11.350 Yeah, I don't think that I agree with this one either. 203 00:11:11.570 --> 00:11:16.100 It's not, they're not playing tight, I don't think. I mean, 204 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:19.590 I think there's, I think there's philosophical things they're trying 205 00:11:19.649 --> 00:11:23.129 to do on offense that don't necessarily match their personnel, 206 00:11:23.169 --> 00:11:25.649 for example. And I think there's game management stuff, individual 207 00:11:25.690 --> 00:11:27.879 game management stuff that I disagree with, but I don't 208 00:11:27.929 --> 00:11:31.679 think this is overall, they're terrified to make a mistake 209 00:11:31.740 --> 00:11:34.879 or anything like that. I, it just, it feels like 210

00:11:34.940 --> 00:11:37.779 they are trying to, you know, they, they are making 211 00:11:37.820 --> 00:11:39.779 judgments about what they feel is going to make them 212 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.519 most likely to win. And, you know, sometimes that works 213 00:11:42.570 --> 00:11:44.750 and sometimes it doesn't, but I don't, I don't, I 214 00:11:44.789 --> 00:11:48.649 don't really agree with the premise of, of this whole thing. 215 00:11:48.669 --> 00:11:51.220 I think it's a little bit of, I don't like 216 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:54.039 what's happening. And therefore that must mean that this is 217 00:11:54.139 --> 00:11:57.759 the reasoning. Like, I don't, I don't really agree with it. 218 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:02.419 I do think, I mean, you don't, it doesn't feel 219 00:12:02.460 --> 00:12:06.470 like they're playing not to lose. I mean, there, I 220 00:12:06.509 --> 00:12:09.110 think they're, they were being a little bit cautious about 221 00:12:09.509 --> 00:12:12.100 maybe on offense, but that's just because you had a 222 00:12:12.139 --> 00:12:15.600 true freshman quarterback and that's just that one game. I 223 00:12:15.620 --> 00:12:18.320 don't think they were playing too cautiously against Texas when 224 00:12:18.340 --> 00:12:22.840 they lost that game. And Indiana and Miami lost a 225 00:12:22.860 --> 00:12:25.299 couple of games that were, you know, right down to 226 00:12:25.340 --> 00:12:28.519 the wire or went deep into the fourth quarter among 227 00:12:28.539 --> 00:12:30.799 the two teams that played for the national championship. Like, yeah, 228 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:32.860 you're going to, some teams are going to lose to 229 00:12:32.899 --> 00:12:35.179 the teams that play for the national championship. Like, you know, 230 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.549 you can, you can take the, well, they've lost four 231 00:12:39.570 --> 00:12:43.230 of their last 10 games, and it's like, well, two 232 00:12:43.250 --> 00:12:45.509 of those were with a different team and were with 233 00:12:45.529 --> 00:12:48.169 the two teams that played for the national championship, and 234 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:50.529 they've lost two games this year, which played out in 235 00:12:50.570 --> 00:12:53.330 very different ways. I think this is kind of like 236 00:12:53.350 --> 00:12:55.710 the every Ryan Day loss looks the same. I think 237 00:12:55.730 --> 00:12:57.250 that was true for a while. I don't think that's 238 00:12:57.309 --> 00:12:59.649 true anymore. The two losses this year have been very, 239 00:12:59.690 --> 00:13:04.049 very different games that played out in very different ways. So, yeah, 240 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:09.129 I don't... I think... I disagree with the, you know, the, 241 00:13:09.269 --> 00:13:12.590 the significant majority of this whole, you know, this whole premise. 242 00:13:14.210 --> 00:13:17.370 I would just like to see proof of the complacency. 243 00:13:17.389 --> 00:13:20.679 Like what, what, what examples other than they haven't fired 244 00:13:20.740 --> 00:13:24.279 anybody yet, or he hasn't called anybody out or that 245 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.639 sort of thing. And the idea that the losses are 246 00:13:26.659 --> 00:13:28.299 looking different time. I don't know if that makes people 247 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.139 feel better or worse because I'll great. Now there are 248 00:13:31.179 --> 00:13:34.799 more ways that they could lose. Um, one other one 249 00:13:34.820 --> 00:13:37.570 that I'll throw in here before we head out here. 250 00:13:37.669 --> 00:13:42.269 And this is from at big buck tray. The head 251 00:13:42.330 --> 00:13:47.149 coach appears to be bigger than the program. And this 252 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:49.620 is again, I know people there, there is a bunch 253 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:51.500 of Ohio state fans on the internet and off of 254 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.220 the internet as well. That do not like that are 255 00:13:53.259 --> 00:13:55.639 ready to get rid of Ryan day because of the 256 00:13:55.679 --> 00:14:00.159 constant losing. I have never gotten the feeling from Ryan 257 00:14:00.230 --> 00:14:03.700 day that he's bigger than the program. Like, I, you 258 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.799 could say the same, you could say maybe like as Dabo, 259 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.889 you know, did he get bigger than Clemson and refuse 260 00:14:08.909 --> 00:14:14.669 to adjust to college football? Like Ryan day to me 261 00:14:14.710 --> 00:14:20.570 has never felt like he has always talked about Ohio 262 00:14:20.590 --> 00:14:24.090 state more than himself. And the standards, these are Ohio 263 00:14:24.110 --> 00:14:27.419 state standards. These are not Ryan day standards. So I 264 00:14:27.460 --> 00:14:33.440 would say that that is fiction. And again, like, In 265 00:14:33.500 --> 00:14:37.450 what sense? And, you know, and again, they could have expounded, 266 00:14:37.490 --> 00:14:39.730 they chose not to, that the head coach appears to 267 00:14:39.750 --> 00:14:42.610 be bigger than the program, Tom. I'm trying to think of, like, 268 00:14:43.129 --> 00:14:46.330 in what areas, but fact or fiction on that, what 269 00:14:46.350 --> 00:14:46.769 do you think? 270 00:14:47.490 --> 00:14:51.340 Well, I think this is pretty clearly fiction, because, you know, 271 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.620 the Ryan Day identity here, you know, when Ryan Day 272 00:14:54.659 --> 00:14:56.879 came in, he's the quarterback guy, and he's the guy 273 00:14:56.899 --> 00:14:58.919 who wants to throw the ball all the time, and 274 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.490 they're slinging the ball all over the place, and now... 275 00:15:02.090 --> 00:15:05.730 he's brought in an offensive coordinator who is going a 276 00:15:05.909 --> 00:15:08.629 very different direction where you're not spreading it out anymore. 277 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:11.840 And you're, you're playing more tight ends much to everyone's 278 00:15:11.879 -->

00:15:15.730 chagrin and you're trying to run the ball more. And yeah, I, 279 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.779 this is not someone who's obsessed with winning his, you know, 280 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:21.940 winning his own way. Like this is when I think 281 00:15:21.980 --> 00:15:24.850 of someone who like really wanted to do things his 282 00:15:24.929 --> 00:15:28.409 way and, was like my philosophy, it's my way or 283 00:15:28.450 --> 00:15:30.929 the highway. Like Mike Leach, for example. And I love 284 00:15:31.090 --> 00:15:33.629 Mike Leach as a coach. Like he was a phenomenal coach. 285 00:15:33.669 --> 00:15:37.370 He could win anywhere and he would win his way. 286 00:15:38.289 --> 00:15:42.379 And when he was at Wazoo, Washington, the Washington defense, 287 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.899 when Chris Peterson was there, like man, oh man, did 288 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.019 they have Wazoo's number? And it was like, well, we 289 00:15:47.059 --> 00:15:49.700 know how to defend this. And Mike Leach, was he 290 00:15:49.740 --> 00:15:52.159 going to change things? Was he going to do things differently? Nope. 291 00:15:52.299 --> 00:15:54.159 He was going to run his offense. And every year 292 00:15:54.230 --> 00:15:55.669 Washington was going to beat them. They were going to 293 00:15:55.690 --> 00:15:59.440 shut them down. And it was like, well, you know, 294 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:01.539 the offense still works in a lot of cases. Like 295 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.440 he went to Mississippi State and in the first game, 296 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.639 his quarterback, it was KJ Costello, set the SEC single 297 00:16:07.659 --> 00:16:09.659 game passing record. It's like, it's not like the offense 298 00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:12.399 didn't work. It's just when you run up against a 299 00:16:12.419 --> 00:16:15.100 defense that has absolutely figured it out, you can't just 300 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:17.200 keep calling Rock because they know that paper is going 301 00:16:17.220 --> 00:16:20.159 to beat Rock. And he just kept calling Rock. That's 302 00:16:20.179 --> 00:16:23.139 an example of someone who, you know, was probably like, 303 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.559 philosophically was, you know, putting himself ahead of the program. 304 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.820 And in that case, Ryan day has done like the 305 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.559 opposite of that. So no, I don't, I don't think 306 00:16:31.580 --> 00:16:34.360 that at all. And Ryan day has said out loud 307 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.919 in a number of cases, like Ohio state football is 308 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.019 bigger than any, any person like the Ohio state program 309 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:43.340 is bigger than any person. It's, you know, it, it, 310 00:16:43.700 --> 00:16:50.399 Woody Hayes got fired. Jim Trestle got, well, Jim Trestle, uh, resigns. Uh, 311 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.659 Urban Meyer, uh, you know, walked away. I mean, these are, 312 00:16:53.710 --> 00:16:56.230 these are all hall of fame coaches and they've all, 313 00:16:56.309 --> 00:16:58.590 they all left. And, you know, John Cooper, hall of 314 00:16:58.610 --> 00:17:00.889 fame coach got fired. Like this is, this is a 315 00:17:01.210 --> 00:17:04.269 thing that happens to, you know, and the Ohio state 316 00:17:04.289 --> 00:17:07.950 football team and the football program just kind of keeps rolling. And, 317 00:17:08.650 --> 00:17:10.849 you know, Maurice Claret left Ohio state football, just keeps 318 00:17:10.890 --> 00:17:14.069 rolling trail prior left Ohio state program. Football just keeps rolling. 319 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:15.529 I mean, just on and on and on and on 320 00:17:15.569 --> 00:17:17.960 and on. It doesn't matter. It's like all these guys 321 00:17:17.980 --> 00:17:19.970 were like, wow, this guy's the biggest star in Columbus. 322 00:17:20.650 --> 00:17:22.529 There will be another biggest star in Columbus as soon 323 00:17:22.569 --> 00:17:25.089 as that guy leaves. So, you know, and I think 324 00:17:25.150 --> 00:17:29.329 Ryan Day recognizes that. So, you know, between the philosophical 325 00:17:29.450 --> 00:17:32.289 flexibility on offense and the fact that he has said 326 00:17:32.329 --> 00:17:34.130 all those words out loud, no, I do not think 327 00:17:34.210 --> 00:17:37.329 Ryan Day thinks he's better, bigger than Ohio State football. Yeah. 328 00:17:37.750 --> 00:17:39.769 A coach who would think he's bigger than the program 329 00:17:39.789 --> 00:17:41.799 would be one that brings in a cheating scandal like, 330 00:17:41.819 --> 00:17:48.789 you know, a advanced scouting coach and then goes years 331 00:17:48.849 --> 00:17:51.579 and years trying to leave for the NFL while this 332 00:17:51.630 --> 00:17:53.839 is going on and knowing that eventually he's going to 333 00:17:53.859 --> 00:17:55.660 get caught. It doesn't matter because he's going to be 334 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:01.400 gone when things go awry. That's somebody who feels bigger 335 00:18:01.460 --> 00:18:02.220 than the program. 336 00:18:02.900 --> 00:18:06.650 I love when you bring in these hypotheticals and it's like, well, sure, 337 00:18:06.809 --> 00:18:08.569 if you could point to an example of that, sure. 338 00:18:08.630 --> 00:18:09.210 But I mean. 339 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:13.150 As a for instance, as a yes. Let's all pretend. 340 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:15.880 Let's all put our pretend caps on. And think about 341 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.930 somebody like that. But so, no, a couple of fictions, some, 342 00:18:20.309 --> 00:18:24.470 you know, the first question, maybe a statement of fact 343 00:18:24.509 --> 00:18:27.150 in terms of the standards. But again, that's because of 344 00:18:27.190 --> 00:18:31.900 the game itself. So there's a couple of some of 345 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:33.660 those that we wanted to talk about. We've got more. 346 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:37.000 But what do you guys think? Has Ryan Day gotten complacent? 347 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:39.380 Has he lowered the standard of the program because his 348 00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:41.900 fear of losing is greater than his desire to win? 349 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.359 Or is he now, is he bigger than the program? Which, 350 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:50.160 what do you think? Give us some examples. 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