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Welcome back, Ohio State Nation. This is the Buckeye Central
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Podcast on Buckeye Huddle. I'm your host, Connor Smith, joined
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by my great friend and the best recruiting insider in
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Ohio State media, TJ Warner. TJ, how are you doing?
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It's a good week right now because, you know, we're
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flipping the script. We're looking at Oregon. There's a huge
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recruiting visit weekend for the Buckeyes. So if they can
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take advantage of this weekend, wow, that's going to be massive.
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So if you want to learn more about the recruiting weekend, though,
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Yeah.
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It's two in one. TJ, speaking of Ohio State, we
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are flipping the script. As we're recording this, the CFP
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rankings first edition just came out. Mm-hmm. I don't want
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to spend too much time on them because they're a,
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they're garbage and B this is the first edition. So they'll,
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they'll play itself out. Oh, how say at 12 thoughts?
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I don't, I don't necessarily agree with it, but what
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do you think?
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I mean, I was going through scenarios today and I
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was just thinking like, Oh, like what's the worst case
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scenario for Ohio state. And I really thought to myself,
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I think 11, 11 is worst case. I was really
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shocked for them being at 12. I'm just going to,
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I'm not gonna lie to you, but I'm also shocked
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at a lot of other things. And, We were talking
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about this before the show. Metrics, data points that they
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are using, it helps certain teams and it hurts other teams.
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There's a lot of mumble jumble that doesn't
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really make sense.
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How is Bama ranked at number five? That's the big
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head scratcher that everyone wants to know. How is Texas
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ranked at seven when they have wins over 10, 12,
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and 13? Stuff of that nature when they're both six
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and two SEC teams. And then how are some teams...
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Like UCLA, undefeated UCLA at eight. I understand strength of schedule,
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but they're winning convincingly against the teams they have. The
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teams on their schedule, I think, they have technically two
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currently ranked wins. Oregon's ranked, but I don't know. Northwestern's
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not ranked, right?
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They beat USC, didn't they?
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They play USC later in the year. That's right. They
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have a chance to have two ranked wins if they
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go and beat USC at the end of the year.
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But even certain scenarios of like How is Ohio State
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eight spots behind Indiana when they beat Indiana? How is
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Tennessee eight spots behind Bama when they beat down Bama?
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How is– or you can even go on the flip
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side of it for a not-so-good side for Ohio State.
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How is USC eight spots behind Ohio State when they
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beat down Ohio State this past week? And all these
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records are 6-2, so it's like you've got a bunch
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of 6-2 teams, 7-1 style teams, and it's like what
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do you do with them? And all of it's– like
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I guess my– thing to the fans. Don't get worked
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up over the first rankings. It's going to sort itself
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out on the field. I kind of wish they waited
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a little bit more to do the rankings, but I
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guess there's some positives coming out of it. Notre Dame,
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they're getting penalized for not playing a schedule. Them being
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the 11 seed, that was a shocker to me, but
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I'm glad that it's happened. If they lose against Miami,
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I think there's no way they get into the cultural playoff.
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So that eliminates it right there. 10-2 Notre Dame, that's
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what that ranking said tonight. If 10-2 Notre Dame happens,
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they're not making the playoffs. If Ohio State takes care
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of business against Oregon this week, they can move up
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substantially in this list because the 11th seed Notre Dame
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plays Miami, 10th seed Ole Miss plays Georgia, 9th seed
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BYU plays Utah. There's a bunch of ranked matchups ahead
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of Ohio State, so if they take care of business
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and let everything else play out, they'll move right back
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into a conversation. Taking care of business is step number one.
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That's the hardest part. Hardest thing to do after what
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you saw last week.
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It is. But the same, as you said, everything is
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in front of them. If they went out, they're going
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to be in the CFP. There's no ifs, ands, or
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buts about it. I will say what this ranking told me,
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because the G5 or G6 has to be in this.
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That would be Boise at 12. Ohio State, if the
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CFP started today, would not be in. That tells me,
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because we've talked about this. I think everyone else, everyone
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and their mama has talked about it. Is there potential
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for a 9-3 Ohio State to make it in? At
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this point, no, there's not. If you're the last team
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out as a two-loss team, if you get that third
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loss within the last month, you're not coming back from this.
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If Oregon was what they were and, like, say you
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beat Oregon and you beat a ranked Northwestern, but then
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you drop a game on the road to Nebraska by
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a field goal, maybe. But with how the schedule lines
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up right now, there's no way. And to kind of
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touch on your point, I get this is the first
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week and things will take care of itself. I get it.
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I just hate– Like the disparity and how inconsistent.
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It is.
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Like you say Notre Dame gets penalized for not playing
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a schedule. Why is Miami number one? Why is Utah
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three with the number 83 ranked to shrink the schedule?
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Why is Alabama eight spots ahead of Tennessee, but BYU
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is ahead of Notre Dame? Same with Ohio State and USC.
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I understand you're not going to make everyone happy. You're
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just not. But you have to be consistent. you're not
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going to make people highly being consistent, but that's the
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best way to do it. I would say probably 75
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to 80% of college football fans. If the committee, if
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they were bad, but they just stuck their guns and said,
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this is where we're going to stick to this. I
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think 80 to 90% of the college football nation would
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be like, okay, like I get it. I at least understand.
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Yeah. I maybe, yes. One thing I want to say
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to everyone out there that's saying the rankings are flat out, terrible, horrendous.
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It's like, make your own rankings and, and kind of
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see how hard it is to place those teams. I'll
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be devil's advocate in that nature because I've been in
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a scenario where you feel like you have to put
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out a top 25 poll, and it's like, oh, my God,
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this is actually a lot harder than it feels like.
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It's easy to pick one team that should be higher
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than another team, but it's hard to put together your
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own top 25 poll and be consistent as well. So
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that's the part that they're running into, and there's certain
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metrics that are going to work for some teams and
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they're not going to work for others. I'm not saying
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the rankings are great. I obviously don't agree with a
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lot of the rankings. I would do it a little differently.
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But we're not in the room, so we don't really
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know what those conversations truly look like. But at the
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end of the day, like you said, the road is
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ahead of Ohio State. They control their own destiny. They
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went out. They go into the Big Ten Championship. I
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don't care how that game goes unless they get beat
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by 50. They're going to be in the playoffs unless
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they get beat by 50 somehow, unless they get that
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Illinois FDU-type score from last
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was 120-45. You know what I'm talking about? Something of
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that nature. I'm like, Ohio State will not drop out
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of the playoffs unless something of that nature happens in
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the Big Ten Championship. But I don't want to look ahead, though,
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because they still have four games they have to go
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on the field and win. And after that USC outing,
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even Ryan Day said it, they better turn it around
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really quickly.
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Yeah, and they've got a good chance this week. Oregon
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is now ranked number 23 in the country. So it's
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going to be number 23 Oregon versus number 24, or
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not 24, Number 12, Ohio State.
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Would it be a night game now?
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You know what? Fox hates the fans, so no. But
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it is number 23 versus number 12. Ryan Day wants
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a lot of urgency within this program. We heard it
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after the Texas loss. It's a lot different whenever you
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have two losses on your plate and you're facing essentially elimination.
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Ryan Day also talked about today how, yes, Oregon's 5-3.
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You look at that roster, I don't care what you say.
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That's the best roster in college football. On paper, that
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is the best roster in college football with a top
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10 head coach in Dan Lanning. They're confident.
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It's the best roster without Dante more now, though.
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Well, considering that they're back and just threw for 333 touchdowns,
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no picks over a ranked Northwestern.
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Yeah. Okay.
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That's fine. I just wanted to ask, pose the question.
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That's all it is.
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But this is, this is an interesting, like, especially after
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what Dylan Ryla did and how poor Ohio state played
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around their young quarterback. It kind of scares me. I'll
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be honest, like going into USC, I was like, whatever,
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like Oregon's dead in the water. And then they came
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out and had a comeback win over Northwestern and the team, the, that,
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that team being Ohio state looked like utter what I'll
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be nice about this. Horrible. They look horrible against USC.
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And now, and now I'm like, I'm gonna scare you.
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I can't lie.
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I think there's... It's almost like, how fast can I
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flip the script? Because last time, there's only been one
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game under the Ryan Day era outside of this USC
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game that really, you came away thinking, wow, they just,
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they got beat by a team they should not have
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been beaten by. Like, and they just played so awful
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in that game as well. That happened against USC, and
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what happened against 2024 Michigan, where they were Ohio State
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was clearly the better team and did not win. I
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think Ohio State is clearly the better team. If they
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play again at USC even, I think Ohio State would
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still be favored going into that game, knowing what we know.
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I just don't think you're going to see an outcome
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where you beat them in almost every box score statistic
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and you lose and have no chance of winning the game.
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That's something that's never going to happen again if Ohio
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State plays USC. I still feel confident they would turn
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it around, but it's almost like What did that happen
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after that 2024 loss that really turned around? They had
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a bunch of sit-down only player meetings, and everyone had
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to really take accountability and see what they had going forward.
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Is that happening for this week? I don't think so.
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I don't think something like that can happen. You can't
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do that in the middle of the season. They had
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a lot of time in between their next game against
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Tennessee that year when they end up eventually going on
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the national championship run. You just don't have the time
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to do that because you're preparing for Oregon to come
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to Columbus here– what is it now four or five
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days so like that Ohio State doesn't have time to
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do
that how do they bounce back Ryan Day's been
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good on bounce back like he doesn't have back-to-back losses
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outside of the Indiana Miami game that's his only back-to-back
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losses in his head coaching career which is a testament
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to him um but how do you bounce back here
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because this is a big one and if you get
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Oregon It's kind of like what we said against USC.
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The road ahead feels a little easier if you get one.
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You don't want to– if it stumbles again back-to-back, this
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could get ugly quick.
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It could. And the best way– you touched on it.
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The best way to build some momentum is win the game.
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Win the game over a good football team. If they–
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like with the snowball effect– It can be like, hey,
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they go in there and look like trash against Oregon,
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and they lose and just tumbles and tumbles, and you're
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looking at 7-5-8-4.
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You might see some coaches and players starting to give
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up on this team if that happens too, and that's
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crazy to say.
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Well, I don't think you're going to this week at least.
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Ryan Day was fiery today, dude. I don't know if
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you watched the press conference. He was fiery. He's got
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a quote here when he was asked about Oregon. He said,
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so we've got to get those things fixed, those being
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the mistakes, and feel the urgency of that because this
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is a very, very good team. We can't sit here
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and dwell on what's gone on in the past. We
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better learn from it pretty damn quick though. I know
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this is my first year on the beat. This, but like, dude,
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like that, that fired me up. You didn't see Ryan day,
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even half of what he was today after the Texas game,
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he was truly shocked of what happened. Like he said
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it like we, we were shocked. I did not think
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my team could play like that.
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Um, I agree with that, too. Think of a time
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that you really look at Ohio State
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didn't have effort and urgency.
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I feel like you go.
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Into a game knowing, all right, here's the ceiling of
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this team. Here's the floor of this team. Well, they
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somehow found another floor and went down a level against
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that USC game. And that's the only way I can
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put it into words of how that really looked for it.
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But how do they flip the script? I guess that's
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what everyone keeps saying. Flip the script, go to Oregon.
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How do they get better and how do they improve
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on that? That's the real thing, and it's nice to
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see Ryan Day fired up about it because he shouldn't
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be happy about being 6-2. This team is better than 6-2.
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They had a chance to put away Texas. If they
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win that Texas game, they have plenty of breathing room.
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They had every bit of opportunity to go into USC
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and beat USC, but that team did not show up
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one bit. They very well could be 8-0 right now,
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sitting pretty, number one team in the country. but that's
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not the case. And they're fighting their way in to
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get to the playoffs the rest of the year.
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It's going to take a team effort as well. Like Ryan,
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they can say what he wants. The players have to
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believe it. I will say myself, I was kind of
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encouraged by what happened today. I was talking to some
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people about like, Hey, you know, they're telling me you
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never seen backs against the wall of Ohio state. And
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I was like, well, neither has half the roster because
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there's like 50 some of new players. So how do
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you know how they're going to respond to that? Christian Allegro.
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He took accountability, said that the effort and the execution
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was unacceptable, disappointing. I mean, you can kind of tell.
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He's a man of few words. You can tell he's
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pissed off. So for a newcomer like that to be upset,
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that made me feel a lot better. Because like I said,
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you don't know how a bunch of new guys are
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going to react to that coaching and that pressure at
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Ohio State. As Ryan Day said, if you can't handle it,
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don't come to Ohio State. But seeing a new guy
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there that's been on campus for, what, seven months, like,
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understand the urgency, that was encouraging to me. Hopefully it
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transitions to the rest of the team, and the rest
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of the team plays like backs against the Wallhouse State.
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Because when they're in that mode, they're dangerous. Like, they
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are– they have that killer mindset. 100%.
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And it's more so the culture is really coming out of,
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They bring kids in, and you keep saying newcomers, how
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are they going to react? Well, that's one thing in
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their evaluation process that we see time and time again
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in the recruiting is the culture aspect, and they've got
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to be a culture fit as well. And that's why
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some guys end up being passed up on, quite frankly.
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And some guys that are talented, plenty talented enough to
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be at a house, they just don't end up at
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a house because they pass them because they're not culture fit.
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I think they've done a good job in this transfer
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portal class of bringing in guys that fit that culture.
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Now they have the culture they want, How do you
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go respond now, though? You know what I mean? That's
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the thing is you got the right group of guys culture-wise,
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and you guys will think you'll respond to this and
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be resilient, but you got to put it on the field.
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You got to make that happen, and you got to
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do it against Oregon. Step one, do it against Oregon,
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and then you figure the rest out. That's pretty much
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you don't have time to look down the road anymore.
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It's get 1-0 every week for the next four weeks,
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and that's what they got to focus on.
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The one thing that I did think about just a
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few minutes ago, and I wanted to bring it up,
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the transfers that they brought in are winners. That definitely helps.
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When you have a winning DNA with you, Kyle Parker
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was at LSU. Dom Kelly came from Georgia. Jacoby Jackson, Florida,
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not a whole lot of winning, but he's got a
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really interesting story himself. Told Lyle Allenstein of 11 Wars
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a month or two ago that he, I believe after
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high school, was working at the Lowe's Wood area. and
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then made his way up through Juco and then Florida.
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So he understands back against the wall. Quay Rousaw, Earl
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Little Jr., those guys were on the 23rd Bama team
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that had to fight their way back to get to
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the CFP.
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Christian Allegro, same kind of story. John Walker. These are
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guys that come from winning backgrounds or at least have
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had to fight at some point. I didn't really notice
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that at first, but now that we're in the situation
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and seeing how some of the guys are reacting, do
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you think that was– Accoladed by Ryan Day, like that
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was on his bingo card of like, okay, have these
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guys either A, been on a winning program, check, or
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know how to handle adversity, check.
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I mean, it goes back to that culture fit of
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some sort of not that they need to be on
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a winning program. It's just that they either, one, had
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to develop a relationship with them like John Walker. Like
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Ohio State, quite frankly, just lost John Walker to UCF
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because he wanted to stay home for family reasons. And
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that just kind of changed later in his career. And
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that's how I ultimately ended up at Ohio State. There's that.
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There's those type of players. But there's also players like
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James Smith and Claire Sal where they come from a
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winning culture and they fit up an area of need
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for Ohio State. And there's that relationship there because of,
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you know, past people coming from Bama to Ohio State.
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Caleb Downs is being one of those. And James Smith
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and Claire Sal has been very open and honest about that.
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They talk to Caleb a lot during the process of
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why Ohio State fits what they need. And that kind
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of ended up working out for him. Earl Little was
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the same way. And obviously other guys came because of coaches,
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you know, like Terry Moore going to Ohio State from Duke.
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That's because of Matt Guerrero's background with Duke. Kyle Parker
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going to Ohio State was because of Coach Hankton and
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his background at LSU, stuff of that nature. And then
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obviously Dom Kelly, like he's got ties to the coaching
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staff on that DB room as well. Coming from Georgia,
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Coach Walton's got plenty of good ties in Georgia. So
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there's that aspect. It's more so relationships, but yes, the
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aspect of, I guess, the winning culture and adversity, they
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have to have that built into their DNA for Ohio
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State to even look at them. Ohio State will do
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their full-on scout on them. If they're a good enough player,
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then they'll do their deep dive of who is he
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as a person. And that's when they go into those
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relationships that they trust. You know, like Christian Allegro, for instance.
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Luke Fickle has got deep ties to Ohio State. I'm
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sure they talked to Luke Fickle about Christian Allegro before
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he became a Buckeye. I'm sure that happened. And that
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happened for almost every guy. There's probably somebody that vouched
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for them as a character as well as the scouting
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staff is a football player.
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There's one player making his return to Columbus this weekend.
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Already played in Columbus because of Nebraska.
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Nebraska.
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Former Ohio State, Georgia, Nebraska, Oregon Duck, Dylan Ryle. Coming
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back to the shoe. I saw a quote today after
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his game with Nebraska. Was it 24? He said that
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the shoe was the toughest place to play in the
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Big Ten.
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He did say
that. I remember seeing that clip.
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I can promise you, buddy, get ready to learn 100,000
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of your closest friends because they're going to be back.
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probably saying some not nice things to you. Ohio State
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fans don't like the opposing fans. They don't like guys
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who spur them either.
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No, they remember everything. That's one thing, especially in the
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recruiting battles. They remember everything. That's one thing to learn
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about them. But yes, I think the fan base, yes,
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it's not a night game, but it's almost a night
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game in the second half type thing. Will they show up?
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Will they be loud? I think so. I'd be shocked.
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I feel like the fan base feels like their backs
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against the wall too. Um, or it's like, all right,
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if they don't get this one, maybe the rest of
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the year, that stadium might be quieter, but less rowdy
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per se. So it feels like the fans feel like
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their backs against the wall as well. And I think
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they'll show up big time against this now ranked matchup
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against Oregon.
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I'm of the belief that if you got to get
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your juice flowing to go to a football game or
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go play a football game, you're in the wrong profession.
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But when a team like Oregon comes, 5-3, barely in
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the top 25. It's a really, really good football team
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based on the talent and the coaching staff there. Ryan
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Day hasn't made a comment yet. I don't expect him
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to make a comment about the fan base in terms
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of the crowd, but he does not have to make
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an announcement that, hey, fans, we need you. We've got
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a really good team coming in. Dylan Riles is making
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his return. Let him feel welcome in the wrong way.
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Oregon's offense, though, it's dangerous. You got Rilo in there.
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Rilo just threw for like 330 and three touchdowns, but
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Evan Stewart, De'Corey and Moore, Jamari Johnson, I would assume
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they play. I know they had their legal troubles the
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last few weeks, but I would assume that they played
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in this game. And then offensive line, that's kind of
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been up and down this season, but when they put
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on their best showing, they can beat anybody in the country.
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Yeah, do we know an update on the legal troubles
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for Oregon's receiving core is what I'd like to call them?
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Well, De'Corey and Played last week and dropped like $ 1. 28.
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Yeah, I know he's Australian, but I think they were
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missing four of their top five receiving options outside of DeCorean, right?
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Like that's the– but I don't know. It's one of
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those things that's, oh, you're suspended to the Ohio State game.
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I bet that's probably part of it. But we'll see.
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I am uneducated on that. That's a full– Off-air discussion,
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I guess.
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I haven't heard anything about it in the last week
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or so. I know they got in trouble. I don't
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want to speak too much on that because I don't
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want to get into legal things. It's splitting hairs. But
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I would say they play. Now they're number 23 in
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the country. Even if they were in trouble, I think
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Dan Lanning would say, you know, guys, you served your time, a.k.a.
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a week. You can play against Ohio State.
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That offense is dangerous, though. The one thing I think
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those fans are upset about is how bad the offensive
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line is played at times this year. But good news
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is Ohio State doesn't have a pass rush, so there
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you go. You can mix-match it with that. Can Ohio
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State get there with Ford? If there's ever an offensive
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line to do it against that they've played in the
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past few weeks, it'd be Oregon. There's that going for them,
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but If you can't get home against Maryland, how are
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you going to get home against Oregon, though? You can
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also make that argument. So, yes, there's those. But how
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do they force Dylan Raiola to really play a chess match? Like,
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Jaden Maiava did not have to be a superhero to
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lead USC to 30 points. Do they force Dylan Raiola
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to be a superhero to lead them to 30 points?
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That's going to be the question of the day. Do
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they tackle well in space? Do they play good sound
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gap schemes? And cover their zones as well. And do
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they just force Oregon to be better than them? USC,
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they did not force USC to be better than them.
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They just made their simple mental mistakes and a lot
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of penalties and didn't tackle well. The good news is
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that can all be fixed. The bad news is you
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let that happen one game, you can't let it roll
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over to the next game. So how does that defense
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respond to definitely their worst outing of the season by far?
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I don't want to... go too far into it because, like,
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it's watering the bridge at this point. That USC game
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showed us just how important Jay Timmons is to this defense.
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It took about– I saw Tony Girvin tweet out, it
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took two plays for Jay Timmons to be missed. Like,
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I don't know if he'll be back in this game.
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I was confident last week after hearing some things for
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Ryan Day. I don't know, though.
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I don't know.
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He said– I believe it was postgame that whatever– he
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obviously didn't specify, but said what Jay has is one
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of those lingering things. He said it was not comparable
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to JSM in terms of his hamstring, but it could
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be a similar type injury like that. If you don't
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have Jay Timmons this weekend, that's huge. You can still
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beat Oregon without him. But that's second-best defensive back behind
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Jalen McClain, I would say.
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There's arguments first. That's the crazy part. There's an argument
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he's first. It almost makes me wonder, like, I understand
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Jermaine moving him to slot and Dom Kelly on the outside.
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Is there a way we can keep Jermaine on the outside,
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move Earl Little to slot, and, like, maybe put Terry Moore?
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Do you want Stephen Caldwell at slot?
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Like, no. No, I don't.
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Okay.
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He's a freshman. He's going to grow. He's going to
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be good. He's just not ready yet. I'll put that
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out there. But is there a way to move maybe
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Terry Moore into Earl Little's position? Is that a way
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to move Earl Little to slot? I think that would
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be more of the veteran group that would make the
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most sense for this defense. Somebody that is his last
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year of eligibility anyways might as well use him. I
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just have a hard time feeling like he's not ready
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unless he just came back from that injury completely different.
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I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what the different
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outlooks look like. But I think having Jermaine on the
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outside is... your best option because he's such a lockdown
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corner on the outside. And he can follow around guys
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like DeCorey Moore because they move him around a lot
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as well. So that would be a nice matchup for
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them to have. But this Oregon offense, yes, it's dangerous.
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And this defensive line for Oregon is absolutely bang-packed up
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front with talent. That's the only way to put it.
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They have dudes in their second team that are dudes.
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So how does the offensive line, banged-up offensive line, hold
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up against them? a really good defensive line too. And
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how does Luke Fahey adjust to a much better D
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line than even USC had?
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It'll be tough. It'll be tough. I will say, I
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want to bring this up. I saw it this morning
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when I was doing some of my, my game scouting
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might be the paper popper stat of the game to
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keep in your mind. Oregon's run game has been Jekyll
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and Hyde at points. They've looked good at points. They
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don't look great points. They, they get it done. They're
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a true three outcome. But Oregon is 0-2 this season
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when they run for under
100 yards. They ran for
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like 73 against UCLA and like 80 against Oklahoma State.
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Shocker. So what's the other loss that they rushed for
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over 100?
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They lost to Illinois running for like 150.
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Yeah, that's right.
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But Bad loss. Shocker. Shocker, man. When you don't run
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the football and you can't establish that ground game and
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keep the defense honest, you don't win games. But that
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blueprint's out there. Stop the run. Obviously, a lot easier
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said than done, especially with the running backs that Oregon has.
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I think it's more of an offensive line issue than
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it is running backs. They have a bevy of studs.
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I would not be shocked if there were some guys
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that hopped in the portal and got some handsome offers
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to other P4 top-tier schools. They're running back for some dudes.
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The offensive line... Different story. But I don't want to
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say key in on the run, like stack the box.
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I think it's kind of something that Ohio State can
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take care of without, though. Like, I know the USC
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game wasn't great. Part of that was misalignments. And that's,
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at this point in the season, unacceptable. But they held
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Indiana in check. Indiana is a much better rushing offense
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than Oregon is. Much better.
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If we see the defense that they put against Iowa,
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I think you feel very confident going into this game.
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If you see that type of defense that the Iowa
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game had, I would feel very confident going into the game,
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bookmark it, Ohio State wins. But I just don't know
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if that defense is going to show up. We've seen
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it at times where we're like, oh, my God, maybe
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we're wrong. This is a top five, top ten defense
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in the country, in college football. And then you see
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games like Illinois or USC, and you're like, whoa, hold on,
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like– Yeah, we just don't have the personnel this year.
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You know what I mean? It's different feelings throughout the year.
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It's up and down, up and down. It better be
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up this week or it's going to be another down,
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if that makes sense. If the defense is not playing well,
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they don't want to put all the pressure on Luke
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Fahey's shoulders to go out there and win a shootout.
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That's just not the way this coaching staff is going
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to coach the offense. The defense has to step up
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and hold them to under 20 points. That just has
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to be the case.
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That leads me into my final point before we shut
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down shop. I don't know why, but I found joy
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in asking you these random questions before we close shop
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on the, on the podcast. So this one we talked
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about earlier, do we see angry Ohio state backs against
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the wall? Ohio state this weekend.
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Angry Ohio state. Last time we saw angry Ohio state
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was the national championship run that whole playoffs really three
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games in a row is what it really was. It was, Tennessee, Oregon,
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and Texas. I feel like they're still pissed off during
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that Texas win. They kind of lack Notre Dame. Do
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we see that? I think there's a possibility we see
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angry Ohio State until the end of the regular season.
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Do we see it later on in that? I don't know.
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But I think it feels like their backs against the
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walls and Ryan Dace really taking more responsibility of, all right,
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we've got to go win these next four or this
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is going to be one of the biggest failures in
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Ohio State history if we don't make a 12-team playoff. So, yes,
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I think their backs are against the wall, and they're
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going to play angry, and they're going to play violent.
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But does it end in a win? That's ultimately what
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matters at the end of the day. How do they
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have more points than Oregon come Saturday?
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I agree with you. I think they, they show angry
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Ohio state to an extent, not going to be the
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2024 playoff run, which I I've, I've said, and it's
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not a very popular tech is it's a three game
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sample size or Tennessee four games, four game sample size,
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the way they play those four games. That's the best
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thing I've ever seen in my life. Best thing I've
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ever seen in my life.
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Best Ohio state team I've seen through four game sample
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size too. So, and that's including a absolute stacked year
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after they won, um, I mean, there's a case that
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you can say that 2015 Ohio State, the year after
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they won the championship, was probably the best team in
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Ohio State. Yeah. Urban Meyer passed.
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It had essentially the same roster of a 2014 national
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championship team, and they added some guys. I think you
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will see somewhat of an angry Ohio State team, but
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you're going to see an inspired Oregon team. They're now ranked.
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They've got some momentum. Does Angry Ohio State do enough
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to beat Oregon while they're more than likely inspired on
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the road? Also in Wounded Animal mode.
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I don't know.
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We'll see.
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What animal is Wounded West? That's the battle of that.
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I saw a tweet today. I think I sent it
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to you. It was an Oregon fan page, and it's like,
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it's that one movie where they're saying, aim for the bushes.
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It's like Oregon and Ohio State going into battle this weekend,
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and they're just aiming for the bushes. I think it's,
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you know, Twitter keeps me laughing sometimes, and I appreciated
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that post today, so I just thought I'd share that one.
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I love Twitter. It's an absolute cesspool, but, hey, it's
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the work of us.
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Aim for the bushes.
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Aim for the bushes. Aim for the bushes. Aim for
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that like and subscribe button on the YouTube channel, please.
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Be awesome. And then go and aim to your keyboard
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to look up BuckeyeHeadle.com. Go check us out there. Best
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Gibbler running it all. Ohio State fans, until Monday, we'll
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see you.