התמלול המלא של Leigh Steinberg | From "Jerry Maguire" to now | Major League Mensch

really about him, but there's a 35 00:01:18,131 --> 00:01:21,127 Marc Preston: lot of him, a lot of his input in that 36 00:01:21,167 --> 00:01:25,026 Marc Preston: movie and just generally just a real mench, 37 00:01:25,448 --> 00:01:26,310 Marc Preston: just a cool guy. 38 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,102 Marc Preston: Now, I mentioned it before. 39 00:01:28,162 --> 00:01:30,968 Marc Preston: Storyandcraftpod.com, the website. 40 00:01:30,988 --> 00:01:33,701 Marc Preston: Don't forget, jump in there, check out all 41 00:01:33,721 --> 00:01:36,347 Marc Preston: the socials, send me a message through the 42 00:01:36,687 --> 00:01:39,622 Marc Preston: little messaging doohickey on there, or you 43 00:01:39,642 --> 00:01:41,502 Marc Preston: can send me an email and again, I do 44 00:01:41,542 --> 00:01:42,085 Marc Preston: appreciate it. 45 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,944 Marc Preston: I appreciate everyone who has reached out 46 00:01:44,545 --> 00:01:45,988 Marc Preston: to check in and find out when the show is 47 00:01:46,008 --> 00:01:46,689 Marc Preston: going to be back on. 48 00:01:47,070 --> 00:01:49,663 Marc Preston: Well, here it is, we're back and let's jump 49 00:01:49,723 --> 00:01:50,245 Marc Preston: right into it. 50 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:53,388 Marc Preston: Today is Lee Steinberg Day, right here on 51 00:01:53,488 --> 00:01:54,490 Marc Preston: Story and Craft. 52 00:01:55,566 --> 00:01:58,767 Marc Preston: Hello, how are you doing today, sir? 53 00:01:58,948 --> 00:01:59,489 Marc Preston: I am good. 54 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:01,848 Marc Preston: Thank you again for taking time out to chat. 55 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,086 Marc Preston: I was speaking with my son, who's my 56 00:02:05,126 --> 00:02:08,913 Marc Preston: 18-year-old college kid, who is my resident 57 00:02:08,953 --> 00:02:11,086 Marc Preston: sports guy yeah, I'm not as big of a sports 58 00:02:11,106 --> 00:02:13,385 Marc Preston: guy as he is, so he was like you're 59 00:02:13,425 --> 00:02:15,283 Marc Preston: speaking of Lee Steinberg, so he's like to 60 00:02:15,323 --> 00:02:15,584 Marc Preston: prep. 61 00:02:15,604 --> 00:02:18,243 Marc Preston: He's like we got to watch Jerry Maguire, so 62 00:02:18,604 --> 00:02:19,708 Marc Preston: we did that last night. 63 00:02:22,506 --> 00:02:23,850 Marc Preston: So how are things going for you? 64 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,484 Marc Preston: Anything new and exciting you're working on 65 00:02:26,544 --> 00:02:28,189 Marc Preston: right now, anything in particular. 66 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:33,614 Leigh Steinberg: We have a project to respond to the fact 67 00:02:33,674 --> 00:02:35,639 Leigh Steinberg: that athletic contests

come down in the 68 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:37,445 Leigh Steinberg: fourth quarter and a lot of them in the 69 00:02:37,505 --> 00:02:38,328 Leigh Steinberg: last drive. 70 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:40,724 Leigh Steinberg: So the question is, could you peak 71 00:02:40,844 --> 00:02:43,250 Leigh Steinberg: performance and productivity up in those 72 00:02:43,350 --> 00:02:44,332 Leigh Steinberg: critical moments? 73 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:48,532 Leigh Steinberg: And so I explored some modality to do that. 74 00:02:48,593 --> 00:02:50,920 Leigh Steinberg: And then, secondarily, can you recover an 75 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,465 Leigh Steinberg: injured athlete quicker? 76 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:57,169 Leigh Steinberg: Because the CAP system means that if you 77 00:02:57,249 --> 00:02:59,616 Leigh Steinberg: lose the starting players, back up is 78 00:03:00,358 --> 00:03:01,302 Leigh Steinberg: appreciably worse. 79 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:06,984 Leigh Steinberg: So it's hyperbaric oxygen, it's blue, red 80 00:03:07,085 --> 00:03:11,884 Leigh Steinberg: and white light stimulation, it's nanovie 81 00:03:12,004 --> 00:03:16,072 Leigh Steinberg: which is cooked up, air you breathe. 82 00:03:17,540 --> 00:03:24,122 Leigh Steinberg: They all do the same thing, which is 83 00:03:24,564 --> 00:03:27,945 Leigh Steinberg: they're anti-inflammatory, they peak energy, 84 00:03:29,140 --> 00:03:31,529 Leigh Steinberg: they hyperbaric can make you live longer. 85 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:33,444 Leigh Steinberg: So I've taken that to a number of different 86 00:03:33,485 --> 00:03:36,520 Leigh Steinberg: proteins to try to get them to adopt it and 87 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:43,052 Leigh Steinberg: also, cognitively, have found some new ways 88 00:03:43,353 --> 00:03:47,260 Leigh Steinberg: through neuroplasticity to stimulate the 89 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:49,445 Leigh Steinberg: brain, so that someone who gets a 90 00:03:49,485 --> 00:03:54,484 Leigh Steinberg: concussion or a TBI the conceit's always 91 00:03:54,544 --> 00:03:57,131 Leigh Steinberg: been that it only gets worse and never gets 92 00:03:57,211 --> 00:03:57,512 Leigh Steinberg: better. 93 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,126 Leigh Steinberg: But now we have processes like our TMS and 94 00:04:01,767 --> 00:04:05,881 Leigh Steinberg: nestry brain training that can sharpen up a 95 00:04:05,941 --> 00:04:06,302 Leigh Steinberg: brain. 96 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:10,065 Leigh Steinberg: So there are benefit in sports and there 97 00:04:10,085 --> 00:04:12,309 Leigh Steinberg: are benefit to anybody over 40. 98 00:04:13,652 --> 00:04:15,141 Leigh Steinberg: So that's one Second of all. 99 00:04:15,161 --> 00:04:19,554 Leigh Steinberg:

We're working on a school that would be for 100 00:04:19,854 --> 00:04:22,641 Leigh Steinberg: high school athletes but would also be for 101 00:04:22,722 --> 00:04:26,769 Leigh Steinberg: anybody interested in being working for a 102 00:04:26,809 --> 00:04:29,233 Leigh Steinberg: team, a league, a front office, Marceting, 103 00:04:29,780 --> 00:04:35,187 Leigh Steinberg: branding, media, and that's in Arizona. 104 00:04:36,141 --> 00:04:38,710 Leigh Steinberg: I've got an agent academy coming up in a 105 00:04:38,771 --> 00:04:40,958 Leigh Steinberg: couple weeks where we teach the young 106 00:04:40,998 --> 00:04:47,308 Leigh Steinberg: people how to recruit, negotiate, brand 107 00:04:47,609 --> 00:04:51,094 Leigh Steinberg: Marcet, set up a charitable foundation and 108 00:04:51,134 --> 00:04:51,835 Leigh Steinberg: the rest of that. 109 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,463 Marc Preston: It's kind of looking over some of your 110 00:04:53,503 --> 00:04:55,288 Marc Preston: information above and beyond what I already 111 00:04:55,389 --> 00:04:55,589 Marc Preston: knew. 112 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,341 Marc Preston: It seems like you don't slow down, you seem 113 00:04:59,361 --> 00:05:00,845 Marc Preston: to be involved in quite a bit of 114 00:05:00,945 --> 00:05:02,529 Marc Preston: philanthropy or what we're just discussing 115 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:07,505 Marc Preston: right now, which of course is beneficial 116 00:05:07,545 --> 00:05:09,710 Marc Preston: for the players, but there is a cost 117 00:05:10,431 --> 00:05:12,744 Marc Preston: benefit analysis kind of situation for the 118 00:05:12,824 --> 00:05:15,010 Marc Preston: owners in getting the players back and 119 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:15,411 Marc Preston: active. 120 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,244 Leigh Steinberg: Well, once we validate these concepts in 121 00:05:18,324 --> 00:05:21,650 Leigh Steinberg: sports, then it takes you out to the larger 122 00:05:22,952 --> 00:05:23,533 Leigh Steinberg: community. 123 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,187 Leigh Steinberg: In other words, it takes you out to Marc 124 00:05:28,247 --> 00:05:30,812 Leigh Steinberg: Preston, who says I want to be cognitively 125 00:05:30,872 --> 00:05:35,650 Leigh Steinberg: more fit, I want to live longer. 126 00:05:36,580 --> 00:05:39,368 Leigh Steinberg: And so there's a revolution taking place in 127 00:05:39,428 --> 00:05:43,480 Leigh Steinberg: Biomed that is going to alter forever the 128 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,047 Leigh Steinberg: way we see medicine. 129 00:05:46,689 --> 00:05:47,090 Marc Preston: It's funny. 130 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:51,688 Marc Preston: I remember going back over 20 plus years 131 00:05:51,748 --> 00:05:51,988 Marc Preston: ago. 132 00:05:52,068 --> 00:05:54,593 Marc Preston: I was smoking and I was stopping smoking. 133 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,887 Marc Preston: I had gone there's a hypnotherapist and it 134 00:05:56,927 --> 00:05:57,469 Marc Preston: actually worked. 135 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,046 Marc Preston: It worked really fantastically. 136 00:05:59,660 --> 00:06:01,183 Marc Preston: But he was implementing something where 137 00:06:01,203 --> 00:06:05,271 Marc Preston: they had like these, we'll call them 138 00:06:05,331 --> 00:06:07,945 Marc Preston: goggles, but they had different lights LED 139 00:06:08,005 --> 00:06:09,864 Marc Preston: lights that would blink and he said this is 140 00:06:09,904 --> 00:06:11,973 Marc Preston: based off some kind of a Russian study they 141 00:06:12,013 --> 00:06:14,764 Marc Preston: did where if you merge this with a sound, 142 00:06:15,004 --> 00:06:16,609 Marc Preston: it somehow does something. 143 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,670 Leigh Steinberg: Well, they have those treatments which they 144 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:23,321 Leigh Steinberg: have the light going on, they have the 145 00:06:23,442 --> 00:06:24,485 Leigh Steinberg: earphones on. 146 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,306 Leigh Steinberg: And Russia, germany, all those countries 147 00:06:28,406 --> 00:06:30,310 Leigh Steinberg: are far ahead of us in terms of 148 00:06:30,410 --> 00:06:34,463 Leigh Steinberg: understanding how the brain works and 149 00:06:35,204 --> 00:06:42,333 Leigh Steinberg: innovative ways to stimulate longevity 150 00:06:42,433 --> 00:06:44,135 Leigh Steinberg: lifestyle, everything. 151 00:06:44,860 --> 00:06:46,788 Marc Preston: For your own, let's say, career longevity, 152 00:06:48,014 --> 00:06:48,978 Marc Preston: would it be a stretch to say. 153 00:06:49,018 --> 00:06:50,803 Marc Preston: You kind of seem to stay kind of curious 154 00:06:50,843 --> 00:06:52,568 Marc Preston: about different things that are going on in 155 00:06:52,628 --> 00:06:54,372 Marc Preston: evolution of sports. 156 00:06:54,740 --> 00:06:55,886 Marc Preston: You don't seem like somebody that would 157 00:06:56,228 --> 00:06:57,857 Marc Preston: rest on their laurels by any stretch of the 158 00:06:57,898 --> 00:06:58,340 Marc Preston: imagination. 159 00:06:58,481 --> 00:06:59,826 Marc Preston: It seems like you're constantly active. 160 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:02,628 Leigh Steinberg: I think life is a constant learning process 161 00:07:05,523 --> 00:07:10,432 Leigh Steinberg: and it's trying to know more, visualize 162 00:07:10,653 --> 00:07:13,919 Leigh Steinberg: where economics are going, where the 163 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:17,625 Leigh

Steinberg: culture is going, where the effects of 164 00:07:19,128 --> 00:07:22,574 Leigh Steinberg: climate change on our life. 165 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,487 Leigh Steinberg: It's the ability to envision where the 166 00:07:28,527 --> 00:07:32,773 Leigh Steinberg: economy, entertainment, sports, politics, 167 00:07:33,274 --> 00:07:34,736 Leigh Steinberg: science are all going. 168 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:37,307 Marc Preston: It definitely seems like the lines are for 169 00:07:37,367 --> 00:07:38,330 Marc Preston: lack of a better way of putting it. 170 00:07:38,350 --> 00:07:41,760 Marc Preston: The lines are kind of blurred now, but 171 00:07:41,780 --> 00:07:43,661 Marc Preston: everything's merging together, it seems 172 00:07:43,681 --> 00:07:45,967 Marc Preston: like, with entertainment and just 173 00:07:46,127 --> 00:07:47,932 Marc Preston: technology and just even being able to 174 00:07:47,972 --> 00:07:50,064 Marc Preston: connect with you here, that a few years 175 00:07:50,145 --> 00:07:52,450 Marc Preston: back that just would have been kind of 176 00:07:52,510 --> 00:07:54,603 Marc Preston: improbable to do that effectively. 177 00:07:56,420 --> 00:07:58,044 Marc Preston: But one of the things I was curious about, 178 00:07:58,827 --> 00:08:00,712 Marc Preston: kind of hitting rewind on your origin story, 179 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,108 Marc Preston: as it were you're actually an LA kid. 180 00:08:03,540 --> 00:08:05,046 Marc Preston: You're from the LA area, correct? 181 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,550 Leigh Steinberg: So I grew up in Los Angeles, went to UCLA 182 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:14,838 Leigh Steinberg: for a year and then it was the late 1960s 183 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:18,340 Leigh Steinberg: and it was all happening in Berkeley and it 184 00:08:18,461 --> 00:08:23,452 Leigh Steinberg: was societal norms changing in long hair 185 00:08:23,553 --> 00:08:26,560 Leigh Steinberg: and tie dye and external substances and 186 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:30,228 Leigh Steinberg: rock music and anti-Vietnam. 187 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:39,949 Leigh Steinberg: So part of me is Southern California let's 188 00:08:39,989 --> 00:08:40,689 Leigh Steinberg: hit the beach. 189 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:46,981 Leigh Steinberg: And the other part is Berkeley political 190 00:08:47,042 --> 00:08:50,190 Leigh Steinberg: consciousness and just started to make a 191 00:08:50,250 --> 00:08:50,571 Leigh Steinberg: difference. 192 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:52,606 Leigh Steinberg: And my father raised me with two core 193 00:08:52,647 --> 00:08:53,148 Leigh Steinberg: values. 194 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:57,570 Leigh Steinberg: One was treasure relationships, especially 195 00:08:57,690 --> 00:09:03,649 Leigh Steinberg: family, and the second was try to heal pain 196 00:09:04,229 --> 00:09:06,433 Leigh Steinberg: and make a positive impact in the world. 197 00:09:07,361 --> 00:09:09,467 Leigh Steinberg: And the core layer to that was that when 198 00:09:09,487 --> 00:09:11,755 Leigh Steinberg: you're waiting for someone to make a change, 199 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:16,671 Leigh Steinberg: someone to right or wrong, someone to take 200 00:09:16,691 --> 00:09:18,938 Leigh Steinberg: care of something as minor as picking a 201 00:09:18,998 --> 00:09:22,145 Leigh Steinberg: piece of trash up or as major as racism or 202 00:09:22,165 --> 00:09:25,091 Leigh Steinberg: climate change, you say your tendency is to 203 00:09:25,151 --> 00:09:29,387 Leigh Steinberg: wait for the amorphous they or them to 204 00:09:29,427 --> 00:09:30,230 Leigh Steinberg: solve the problem. 205 00:09:30,940 --> 00:09:36,750 Leigh Steinberg: Older people, political figures and my dad 206 00:09:36,770 --> 00:09:38,352 Leigh Steinberg: would look at me and say, son, you could 207 00:09:38,673 --> 00:09:39,615 Leigh Steinberg: wait forever. 208 00:09:40,924 --> 00:09:43,163 Leigh Steinberg: The they is you, you are the they. 209 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,208 Leigh Steinberg: So it embodies a sense of responsibility 210 00:09:47,308 --> 00:09:48,812 Leigh Steinberg: for everything around us. 211 00:09:49,622 --> 00:09:51,126 Marc Preston: Now, where was your father or where was 212 00:09:51,166 --> 00:09:52,490 Marc Preston: your family originally from? 213 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:53,904 Marc Preston: Were they Southern California as well? 214 00:09:54,205 --> 00:09:58,088 Leigh Steinberg: Yes, so they were Southern California. 215 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,586 Leigh Steinberg: My father was a teacher. 216 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:04,466 Leigh Steinberg: My grandfather ran a place called Hillcrest 217 00:10:04,506 --> 00:10:08,453 Leigh Steinberg: Country Club, which was the hangout for a 218 00:10:08,980 --> 00:10:12,504 Leigh Steinberg: lot of the Hollywood crowd, and so I grew 219 00:10:12,624 --> 00:10:15,932 Leigh Steinberg: up sitting at a table with Groucho March, 220 00:10:16,012 --> 00:10:20,201 Leigh Steinberg: jack Manning, george Burns, george Gessel, 221 00:10:20,261 --> 00:10:24,549 Leigh Steinberg: danny Kay at Hillcrest, and we have a great 222 00:10:24,589 --> 00:10:26,973 Leigh Steinberg: picture of me on Marilyn Monroe's lap. 223 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,927 Leigh Steinberg: But my father turned away from all of that 224 00:10:31,589 --> 00:10:33,881 Leigh Steinberg: and wanted to educate people, and his 225 00:10:34,201 --> 00:10:39,511 Leigh Steinberg: philosophy

was that he was here to make a 226 00:10:39,551 --> 00:10:41,735 Leigh Steinberg: positive difference in the world, help 227 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,221 Leigh Steinberg: people who couldn't help themselves, and so 228 00:10:44,542 --> 00:10:48,173 Leigh Steinberg: he was head of the City Human Relations 229 00:10:48,293 --> 00:10:50,078 Leigh Steinberg: Commission, which had all the different 230 00:10:50,219 --> 00:10:54,582 Leigh Steinberg: racial and ethnic groups, and so we had it 231 00:10:54,622 --> 00:10:56,385 Leigh Steinberg: hard driven into our heads. 232 00:10:57,366 --> 00:11:03,635 Leigh Steinberg: You know that money was fine and important 233 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,963 Leigh Steinberg: at a certain level, but what was really 234 00:11:06,023 --> 00:11:11,832 Leigh Steinberg: important is what did you do to try to ease 235 00:11:11,973 --> 00:11:13,075 Leigh Steinberg: pain for other people? 236 00:11:13,420 --> 00:11:15,430 Marc Preston: Where are your people originally from, 237 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:17,399 Marc Preston: before they got to, before they found their 238 00:11:17,419 --> 00:11:18,928 Marc Preston: way to Southern California, where they come 239 00:11:18,968 --> 00:11:19,149 Marc Preston: from? 240 00:11:21,032 --> 00:11:23,515 Leigh Steinberg: Century Europe and. 241 00:11:24,116 --> 00:11:28,122 Leigh Steinberg: I think on my father's side from Germany 242 00:11:28,182 --> 00:11:33,994 Leigh Steinberg: and my mother's side from Russia, but they 243 00:11:34,074 --> 00:11:40,463 Leigh Steinberg: came in the late 1800s and my grandfather 244 00:11:40,523 --> 00:11:41,885 Leigh Steinberg: started out in New York. 245 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:45,558 Leigh Steinberg: He had the biggest restaurant that was 246 00:11:46,761 --> 00:11:47,863 Leigh Steinberg: existed in the country. 247 00:11:48,131 --> 00:11:51,990 Leigh Steinberg: The FDR used to have his dinners there, but 248 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:59,321 Leigh Steinberg: he gradually came out to Los Angeles and my 249 00:11:59,362 --> 00:12:01,785 Leigh Steinberg: mom's family came to Los Angeles. 250 00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:05,397 Leigh Steinberg: So we've been here forever. 251 00:12:08,190 --> 00:12:08,591 Marc Preston: It sounds like. 252 00:12:08,651 --> 00:12:09,914 Marc Preston: I know my family didn't get here from 253 00:12:10,034 --> 00:12:13,362 Marc Preston: Ukraine until 1907, something like that. 254 00:12:14,070 --> 00:12:14,351 Marc Preston: But it's funny. 255 00:12:14,371 --> 00:12:15,456 Marc Preston: My grandparents actually met. 256 00:12:15,530 --> 00:12:17,234 Marc Preston: My grandmother was from Denver but my 257 00:12:17,514 --> 00:12:18,075 Marc Preston: grandfather. 258 00:12:18,116 --> 00:12:20,801 Marc Preston: They immigrated through Galveston, texas, 259 00:12:21,890 --> 00:12:23,516 Marc Preston: so we're Texas Jews through and through. 260 00:12:24,450 --> 00:12:26,758 Marc Preston: But they met at the old Bullocks on 261 00:12:26,818 --> 00:12:27,279 Marc Preston: Wilshire. 262 00:12:27,510 --> 00:12:29,154 Marc Preston: My grandmother worked at it, which is now, 263 00:12:29,174 --> 00:12:31,319 Marc Preston: I think, an extension of the law school, I 264 00:12:31,660 --> 00:12:32,181 Marc Preston: think out there. 265 00:12:33,011 --> 00:12:34,475 Marc Preston: But it's so funny because we've always had 266 00:12:34,495 --> 00:12:36,180 Marc Preston: a connection to that neck of the woods. 267 00:12:37,134 --> 00:12:38,319 Marc Preston: But when you were mentioning what your 268 00:12:38,379 --> 00:12:40,609 Marc Preston: father brought to the table, it reminds me. 269 00:12:40,629 --> 00:12:42,559 Marc Preston: Now we're not really that religious at all, 270 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,289 Marc Preston: but one of the core principles I've been 271 00:12:44,329 --> 00:12:45,693 Marc Preston: speaking with somebody the other day who's 272 00:12:46,134 --> 00:12:47,698 Marc Preston: very much reformed you, like me. 273 00:12:49,030 --> 00:12:50,334 Marc Preston: One of the core things that's interesting 274 00:12:50,358 --> 00:12:51,851 Marc Preston: about the faith is that thing you've got to 275 00:12:51,911 --> 00:12:53,333 Marc Preston: leave the world better than you found it 276 00:12:53,393 --> 00:12:54,817 Marc Preston: kind of general principle and it sounds 277 00:12:54,917 --> 00:12:57,521 Marc Preston: kind of like that sort of thing that your 278 00:12:57,582 --> 00:12:58,824 Marc Preston: father was giving you. 279 00:13:00,031 --> 00:13:03,299 Leigh Steinberg: Well, it is Jewish values which is 280 00:13:03,599 --> 00:13:06,346 Leigh Steinberg: appreciating the concept of a strong family, 281 00:13:06,947 --> 00:13:11,758 Leigh Steinberg: education as a tool and then making a 282 00:13:11,798 --> 00:13:13,262 Leigh Steinberg: positive difference in the world. 283 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:16,674 Marc Preston: So you had that as a foundation, but what 284 00:13:16,715 --> 00:13:18,380 Marc Preston: kind of propelled you into deciding, okay, 285 00:13:18,421 --> 00:13:18,882 Marc Preston: I want to go. 286 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:21,893 Marc Preston: Where is there even a plan when you went 287 00:13:21,934 --> 00:13:22,476 Marc Preston: off to college? 288 00:13:23,332 --> 00:13:24,997 Marc Preston: This is where my target is right now. 289 00:13:25,157 --> 00:13:26,361 Marc Preston: Or were you

kind of exploring? 290 00:13:26,690 --> 00:13:30,377 Leigh Steinberg: I had grown up on old lawyer TV shows like 291 00:13:30,417 --> 00:13:34,064 Leigh Steinberg: Perry Mason and Judd for the defense and 292 00:13:34,084 --> 00:13:34,953 Leigh Steinberg: the defenders. 293 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:41,129 Leigh Steinberg: So I saw myself either being a political 294 00:13:41,374 --> 00:13:45,234 Leigh Steinberg: leader in some way, because I ended up 295 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,486 Leigh Steinberg: being student by the president of all the 296 00:13:48,566 --> 00:13:53,308 Leigh Steinberg: different schools I was in, or being a 297 00:13:53,368 --> 00:13:58,556 Leigh Steinberg: courtroom lawyer and there was no sports 298 00:13:58,937 --> 00:14:02,390 Leigh Steinberg: agency at the time I was going to school so 299 00:14:02,450 --> 00:14:05,136 Leigh Steinberg: I sort of fell into it because I was a 300 00:14:05,196 --> 00:14:08,062 Leigh Steinberg: counselor in an undergrad dorm at Berkeley, 301 00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:10,634 Leigh Steinberg: working my way through law school, and they 302 00:14:10,674 --> 00:14:12,759 Leigh Steinberg: moved the freshman football team into the 303 00:14:12,819 --> 00:14:16,094 Leigh Steinberg: dorm and one of the students was Steve 304 00:14:16,134 --> 00:14:19,040 Leigh Steinberg: Barkowski, who ended up the very first 305 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:22,053 Leigh Steinberg: player picked in the first round of the 306 00:14:22,073 --> 00:14:28,675 Leigh Steinberg: 1975 NFL Draft and he asked me to represent 307 00:14:28,715 --> 00:14:31,882 Leigh Steinberg: him and I was either going to take a job 308 00:14:31,922 --> 00:14:34,535 Leigh Steinberg: with the Alameda County DA or I had an 309 00:14:34,715 --> 00:14:40,777 Leigh Steinberg: offer in television news but we got the 310 00:14:40,817 --> 00:14:44,710 Leigh Steinberg: largest rookie contract in NFL history and 311 00:14:44,771 --> 00:14:47,401 Leigh Steinberg: I saw then that the athletes were the movie 312 00:14:47,441 --> 00:14:49,770 Leigh Steinberg: stars and celebrities in different towns 313 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:52,833 Leigh Steinberg: across the country and it made me think 314 00:14:53,013 --> 00:14:58,502 Leigh Steinberg: that I could take if I'd have an athlete 315 00:14:58,582 --> 00:15:01,652 Leigh Steinberg: retrace their roots and go back to the high 316 00:15:01,692 --> 00:15:05,781 Leigh Steinberg: school community that helped shape them and 317 00:15:06,202 --> 00:15:08,453 Leigh Steinberg: set up a scholarship fund or work with a 318 00:15:08,874 --> 00:15:12,943 Leigh Steinberg: Boys and Girls Club or work with a church, 319 00:15:13,965 --> 00:15:17,254 Leigh Steinberg: that

they could put down roots and make a 320 00:15:17,294 --> 00:15:19,452 Leigh Steinberg: positive difference and then at the 321 00:15:19,513 --> 00:15:21,376 Leigh Steinberg: collegiate level, go back to that 322 00:15:21,517 --> 00:15:25,392 Leigh Steinberg: university community and do what a trademan 323 00:15:25,432 --> 00:15:27,998 Leigh Steinberg: did, which is to endow a full scholarship 324 00:15:28,499 --> 00:15:30,873 Leigh Steinberg: at the school, and then finally get the 325 00:15:30,934 --> 00:15:34,305 Leigh Steinberg: leading political figures, business leaders 326 00:15:34,806 --> 00:15:37,294 Leigh Steinberg: and community leaders on a charitable board 327 00:15:37,856 --> 00:15:40,445 Leigh Steinberg: and do a charitable foundation to attack 328 00:15:40,545 --> 00:15:42,673 Leigh Steinberg: some primary problem that bothered the 329 00:15:42,814 --> 00:15:43,155 Leigh Steinberg: athlete. 330 00:15:43,870 --> 00:15:46,796 Leigh Steinberg: So I thought, well, I could actually 331 00:15:46,837 --> 00:15:49,583 Leigh Steinberg: achieve some of the same results this way. 332 00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:52,156 Leigh Steinberg: I would have a teaching counseling function 333 00:15:52,216 --> 00:15:54,722 Leigh Steinberg: with young men, hopefully stimulate the 334 00:15:54,762 --> 00:15:57,036 Leigh Steinberg: best in them, lead them towards second 335 00:15:57,096 --> 00:16:00,477 Leigh Steinberg: career, but, more profoundly, that we could 336 00:16:00,517 --> 00:16:03,928 Leigh Steinberg: take on bullying and sex trafficking and 337 00:16:04,029 --> 00:16:07,596 Leigh Steinberg: domestic violence and racism and the 338 00:16:07,676 --> 00:16:11,162 Leigh Steinberg: environment by positioning sports and using 339 00:16:11,243 --> 00:16:15,261 Leigh Steinberg: the power of role modeling to impact 340 00:16:16,766 --> 00:16:17,710 Leigh Steinberg: imitative behavior. 341 00:16:18,071 --> 00:16:20,659 Marc Preston: Yeah, I think the argument has been made 342 00:16:20,699 --> 00:16:22,654 Marc Preston: that it's not the so well put them under 343 00:16:22,674 --> 00:16:23,778 Marc Preston: the umbrella of celebrity. 344 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:25,854 Marc Preston: It's not their responsibility, if you will, 345 00:16:25,894 --> 00:16:29,663 Marc Preston: but I think, with that kind of platform and 346 00:16:29,690 --> 00:16:31,983 Marc Preston: to be able to have the access to be able to 347 00:16:32,003 --> 00:16:32,988 Marc Preston: do something like that, I think it's 348 00:16:33,028 --> 00:16:36,417 Marc Preston: incumbent upon folks to take the assets 349 00:16:36,477 --> 00:16:38,582 Marc Preston: that they're given and do something. 350 00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:41,256 Marc Preston: It's really funny if I was to hit rewind 351 00:16:41,276 --> 00:16:42,621 Marc Preston: and you mentioned Troy Aikman, me being a 352 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:46,843 Marc Preston: Dallas kid, I remember that pocket of time 353 00:16:46,941 --> 00:16:49,852 Marc Preston: when Michael Irvin and Emmett Smith and all 354 00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:52,178 Marc Preston: those guys coming on board with Cowboys. 355 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:55,797 Marc Preston: It seems to me and correct me if you think 356 00:16:55,857 --> 00:16:59,151 Marc Preston: I'm a little off but it wasn't until to me 357 00:16:59,191 --> 00:17:00,835 Marc Preston: late 80s, early 90s, that you really 358 00:17:00,855 --> 00:17:03,642 Marc Preston: started hearing about these big contracts. 359 00:17:04,411 --> 00:17:06,256 Marc Preston: I was watching Nolan Ryan's documentary the 360 00:17:06,296 --> 00:17:06,537 Marc Preston: other day. 361 00:17:06,577 --> 00:17:08,591 Marc Preston: I'm a big Nolan Ryan fan and he's talking 362 00:17:08,611 --> 00:17:09,974 Marc Preston: about after he won the World Series with 363 00:17:10,014 --> 00:17:12,400 Marc Preston: the Mets he came home and worked on a 364 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:12,962 Marc Preston: cattle ranch. 365 00:17:13,190 --> 00:17:14,795 Marc Preston: You know they made okay money but nothing 366 00:17:15,337 --> 00:17:16,019 Marc Preston: really out there. 367 00:17:16,550 --> 00:17:19,964 Marc Preston: What do you think facilitated the kind of 368 00:17:19,984 --> 00:17:21,510 Marc Preston: the boom when athletes were really getting 369 00:17:21,610 --> 00:17:23,317 Marc Preston: a big, much bigger piece of the pie? 370 00:17:23,730 --> 00:17:26,759 Leigh Steinberg: So television morphed from three basic 371 00:17:26,899 --> 00:17:29,787 Leigh Steinberg: networks to dozens and hundreds of 372 00:17:29,887 --> 00:17:31,691 Leigh Steinberg: competitive networks and they were all 373 00:17:31,751 --> 00:17:36,178 Leigh Steinberg: looking for ways to attract attention, and 374 00:17:37,881 --> 00:17:40,124 Leigh Steinberg: sports delivers an audience. 375 00:17:40,910 --> 00:17:47,200 Leigh Steinberg: So the rights fees blew off the charts and 376 00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:50,385 Leigh Steinberg: when I started, each team in the NFL 377 00:17:50,425 --> 00:17:53,896 Leigh Steinberg: received $2 million per season for its 378 00:17:53,997 --> 00:17:56,302 Leigh Steinberg: television national TV rights. 379 00:17:57,170 --> 00:18:00,256 Leigh Steinberg: And then the next contract they got Fox 380 00:18:00,336 --> 00:18:03,943 Leigh Steinberg: into the bidding and TNT, and then ESPN, 381 00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:09,502 Leigh Steinberg: and

the play was to show promos on Sunday 382 00:18:09,582 --> 00:18:12,210 Leigh Steinberg: afternoons that would promote the Monday 383 00:18:12,229 --> 00:18:17,960 Leigh Steinberg: through Friday primetime lineup and then 384 00:18:18,060 --> 00:18:20,003 Leigh Steinberg: increase the value of the network. 385 00:18:20,810 --> 00:18:24,578 Leigh Steinberg: And so Fox used that and it went from $2 386 00:18:24,598 --> 00:18:27,484 Leigh Steinberg: million to $17 million when they got into 387 00:18:27,530 --> 00:18:29,296 Leigh Steinberg: the bidding per team per season. 388 00:18:30,311 --> 00:18:33,499 Leigh Steinberg: And then the next contract was $42 million. 389 00:18:34,810 --> 00:18:38,718 Leigh Steinberg: Last year for NFL teams it was $200 million 390 00:18:39,179 --> 00:18:41,764 Leigh Steinberg: and they just signed a new 10-year contract 391 00:18:41,950 --> 00:18:46,358 Leigh Steinberg: which eventually will lead to $350 million 392 00:18:46,498 --> 00:18:48,963 Leigh Steinberg: per team per season just from national TV. 393 00:18:49,890 --> 00:18:53,576 Leigh Steinberg: So this flood of television revenue then 394 00:18:54,638 --> 00:18:58,004 Leigh Steinberg: met with the building of brand new stadium 395 00:18:58,665 --> 00:19:01,995 Leigh Steinberg: with luxury boxes and premium seating and 396 00:19:02,196 --> 00:19:05,802 Leigh Steinberg: naming rights and all forms ancillary 397 00:19:05,882 --> 00:19:06,783 Leigh Steinberg: revenue streams. 398 00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:11,159 Leigh Steinberg: And then we had Fantasy Sports entered the 399 00:19:11,199 --> 00:19:15,370 Leigh Steinberg: picture, and so and now the internet had a 400 00:19:15,450 --> 00:19:17,856 Leigh Steinberg: revolutionary effect on sports so you could 401 00:19:17,917 --> 00:19:20,122 Leigh Steinberg: watch them and stream them different ways. 402 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:24,857 Leigh Steinberg: So the economic completely changed and the 403 00:19:24,897 --> 00:19:28,383 Leigh Steinberg: television revenue alone was enough to 404 00:19:28,463 --> 00:19:29,645 Leigh Steinberg: explode contracts. 405 00:19:30,151 --> 00:19:31,800 Marc Preston: Yeah, because it seems like the Cowboys, 406 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,549 Marc Preston: the old North Dallas 40 days, you know 407 00:19:33,609 --> 00:19:35,898 Marc Preston: these guys were not looking forward. 408 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:39,559 Marc Preston: They didn't have the kind of opportunity, 409 00:19:39,619 --> 00:19:42,007 Marc Preston: the fiscal opportunity, that the players 410 00:19:42,027 --> 00:19:43,476 Marc Preston: that came after them had. 411 00:19:44,352 --> 00:19:45,958 Marc Preston: But the high school I went to in Dallas it 412

00:19:45,998 --> 00:19:49,530 Marc Preston: was a couple of Tech Shrams grandkids went 413 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:51,278 Marc Preston: there and it was really neat because Tony 414 00:19:51,318 --> 00:19:53,870 Marc Preston: Dorsett's son went there and so Cowboys are 415 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:56,016 Marc Preston: very much hardwired into kind of my high 416 00:19:56,056 --> 00:19:56,878 Marc Preston: school experience. 417 00:19:58,430 --> 00:20:00,354 Marc Preston: But one of the interesting things was that 418 00:20:01,135 --> 00:20:03,420 Marc Preston: I think Tech Shram had been credited with 419 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:07,278 Marc Preston: kind of helping to build the NFL into the 420 00:20:07,379 --> 00:20:09,789 Marc Preston: entity that it is now you know, and just 421 00:20:09,809 --> 00:20:11,034 Marc Preston: kind of looking at football, of course 422 00:20:11,114 --> 00:20:13,271 Marc Preston: other sports as well Did you have a 423 00:20:13,371 --> 00:20:18,020 Marc Preston: preference to stick with or to allocate 424 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,172 Marc Preston: most of your time to NFL players, or was 425 00:20:20,192 --> 00:20:21,638 Marc Preston: there a preference at all or did you like 426 00:20:21,678 --> 00:20:25,011 Marc Preston: to kind of split up your attention to the 427 00:20:25,051 --> 00:20:25,734 Marc Preston: different sports? 428 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:29,057 Leigh Steinberg: So on that Dallas Cowboy team we're talking 429 00:20:29,077 --> 00:20:30,700 Leigh Steinberg: about, I represented. 430 00:20:31,001 --> 00:20:33,594 Leigh Steinberg: I had the first pick in the draft in Aikman 431 00:20:33,694 --> 00:20:36,140 Leigh Steinberg: and then in 91, the first pick in the draft 432 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,933 Leigh Steinberg: was Russell Maryland, who was a client, and 433 00:20:38,993 --> 00:20:43,263 Leigh Steinberg: I had Darren Woodson and Darryl Johnston 434 00:20:44,245 --> 00:20:46,812 Leigh Steinberg: and sort of half that team. 435 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:51,118 Leigh Steinberg: I had done baseball since the very 436 00:20:51,198 --> 00:20:54,327 Leigh Steinberg: beginning and we ended up with a practice 437 00:20:54,668 --> 00:20:58,914 Leigh Steinberg: that had about 60 players Pudge Rodriguez, 438 00:20:58,994 --> 00:21:04,100 Leigh Steinberg: cece Spathia, sean Green, will Clark, matt 439 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:09,833 Leigh Steinberg: Williams, many Ramirez. 440 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:12,976 Leigh Steinberg: So we had a big practice that way. 441 00:21:13,037 --> 00:21:16,988 Leigh Steinberg: And then in basketball I represented about 442 00:21:17,068 --> 00:21:21,316 Leigh Steinberg: four lottery picks and then boxing Lennox 443

00:21:21,436 --> 00:21:25,002 Leigh Steinberg: Lewis, the heavyweight champ, and Oscar De 444 00:21:25,042 --> 00:21:25,563 Leigh Steinberg: La Hoya. 445 00:21:26,590 --> 00:21:28,196 Leigh Steinberg: So no, it was all sports. 446 00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:31,134 Leigh Steinberg: I don't know quite as much about hockey, 447 00:21:31,716 --> 00:21:34,662 Leigh Steinberg: but it was football, baseball, basketball 448 00:21:35,303 --> 00:21:37,657 Leigh Steinberg: and then Olympic athletes who came back. 449 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:41,756 Leigh Steinberg: The principles are all the same and the 450 00:21:41,816 --> 00:21:45,082 Leigh Steinberg: most important skill in any of this Marc is 451 00:21:45,302 --> 00:21:45,763 Leigh Steinberg: listening. 452 00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:49,037 Leigh Steinberg: It's being able to draw another human being 453 00:21:49,318 --> 00:21:49,439 Leigh Steinberg: out. 454 00:21:50,150 --> 00:21:52,819 Leigh Steinberg: It's being able to cut below the surface of 455 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:55,769 Leigh Steinberg: the surface responses to get to their 456 00:21:55,829 --> 00:21:58,617 Leigh Steinberg: deepest anxieties and fears and their 457 00:21:58,657 --> 00:22:01,545 Leigh Steinberg: greatest hopes and dreams and get them to 458 00:22:01,605 --> 00:22:04,796 Leigh Steinberg: prioritize what values are most important 459 00:22:04,816 --> 00:22:05,197 Leigh Steinberg: to them. 460 00:22:05,610 --> 00:22:08,801 Leigh Steinberg: So if I can get that view of how they see 461 00:22:08,841 --> 00:22:11,450 Leigh Steinberg: the world, it's how important is short-term 462 00:22:11,650 --> 00:22:14,157 Leigh Steinberg: economic gain or long-term economic 463 00:22:14,217 --> 00:22:17,806 Leigh Steinberg: security, or spiritual considerations, or 464 00:22:17,906 --> 00:22:21,034 Leigh Steinberg: family or geographical, or being a starter 465 00:22:21,114 --> 00:22:22,438 Leigh Steinberg: or being on a winning team. 466 00:22:23,230 --> 00:22:25,658 Leigh Steinberg: That constellation of values will fit 467 00:22:25,739 --> 00:22:28,007 Leigh Steinberg: differently into different people's lives, 468 00:22:28,568 --> 00:22:31,895 Leigh Steinberg: and it's my job to understand who they are 469 00:22:32,516 --> 00:22:34,780 Leigh Steinberg: below the surface, who they really are and 470 00:22:34,821 --> 00:22:37,590 Leigh Steinberg: where they live emotionally, and to be able 471 00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:38,291 Leigh Steinberg: to fulfill them. 472 00:22:45,401 --> 00:22:46,804 Marc Preston: Would it be fair to say that you took on 473 00:22:46,844 --> 00:22:48,227 Marc Preston: more of a responsibility? 474 00:22:49,115 --> 00:22:51,160 Marc Preston: Let's say

you take a 21-22 year old, which 475 00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:53,546 Marc Preston: I look at as a kid these days, and they 476 00:22:53,566 --> 00:22:55,057 Marc Preston: become I mean, overnight. 477 00:22:55,117 --> 00:22:58,365 Marc Preston: They are just, they've got a lot of money 478 00:22:58,446 --> 00:22:59,857 Marc Preston: for lack of a better way of putting it and 479 00:22:59,897 --> 00:23:01,240 Marc Preston: it could really put some different 480 00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:03,566 Marc Preston: psychological, sociological strains on them, 481 00:23:04,055 --> 00:23:05,621 Marc Preston: or family strains, or whatever. 482 00:23:05,661 --> 00:23:06,455 Marc Preston: Have you Did? 483 00:23:06,475 --> 00:23:07,921 Marc Preston: You find yourself in the position of being 484 00:23:07,961 --> 00:23:11,215 Marc Preston: kind of a counselor or sure, but kind of 485 00:23:11,275 --> 00:23:13,242 Marc Preston: guiding them in some way to here's what you 486 00:23:13,262 --> 00:23:13,844 Marc Preston: should expect. 487 00:23:14,075 --> 00:23:14,356 Leigh Steinberg: Absolutely. 488 00:23:14,456 --> 00:23:17,061 Leigh Steinberg: The parents did the hard work because to 489 00:23:17,121 --> 00:23:21,936 Leigh Steinberg: get a player to that point, you know, took 490 00:23:21,997 --> 00:23:22,598 Leigh Steinberg: a village. 491 00:23:22,859 --> 00:23:26,149 Leigh Steinberg: But I would build on the good values 492 00:23:26,249 --> 00:23:29,277 Leigh Steinberg: parents had instilled in their kids and try 493 00:23:29,297 --> 00:23:31,200 Leigh Steinberg: to stimulate them. 494 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,666 Leigh Steinberg: But it's taking an approach where you tell 495 00:23:34,726 --> 00:23:40,222 Leigh Steinberg: a young man or woman you're going into a 496 00:23:40,362 --> 00:23:43,548 Leigh Steinberg: professional sport and the real competition 497 00:23:43,689 --> 00:23:48,218 Leigh Steinberg: for the NFL is not labor versus management, 498 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:50,783 Leigh Steinberg: it's competition for discretionary 499 00:23:50,964 --> 00:23:52,467 Leigh Steinberg: entertainment spending. 500 00:23:53,295 --> 00:23:55,761 Leigh Steinberg: So you're competing with the NBA and Major 501 00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:58,948 Leigh Steinberg: League, baseball and Netflix and Home Box 502 00:23:59,216 --> 00:24:01,140 Leigh Steinberg: Office and Walt Disney World and every 503 00:24:01,220 --> 00:24:03,505 Leigh Steinberg: other form of discretionary entertainment 504 00:24:03,545 --> 00:24:03,946 Leigh Steinberg: spending. 505 00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:07,319 Leigh Steinberg: That means that you're trying to draw 506 00:24:08,602 --> 00:24:11,407 Leigh Steinberg: people to watch games on television, to buy 507 00:24:11,507 --> 00:24:14,519 Leigh Steinberg: merchandise, to physically attend games, 508 00:24:15,461 --> 00:24:18,307 Leigh Steinberg: and that gives you a special responsibility 509 00:24:18,447 --> 00:24:21,362 Leigh Steinberg: behaviorally on the field and off the field, 510 00:24:21,944 --> 00:24:23,209 Leigh Steinberg: and so you're going to live under a 511 00:24:23,289 --> 00:24:24,072 Leigh Steinberg: microscope. 512 00:24:24,554 --> 00:24:27,222 Leigh Steinberg: And so we need to think about how we don't 513 00:24:27,503 --> 00:24:30,934 Leigh Steinberg: have you out in a place consuming alcohol 514 00:24:31,014 --> 00:24:31,837 Leigh Steinberg: and then driving. 515 00:24:32,338 --> 00:24:35,749 Leigh Steinberg: We need to think about how we have you 516 00:24:35,829 --> 00:24:38,096 Leigh Steinberg: going into a place that serves alcohol and 517 00:24:38,136 --> 00:24:40,400 Leigh Steinberg: walking away from fights when somebody 518 00:24:40,501 --> 00:24:44,008 Leigh Steinberg: comes up and is obnoxious and pushes you. 519 00:24:44,455 --> 00:24:46,483 Leigh Steinberg: We need to talk about your behavior towards 520 00:24:46,563 --> 00:24:48,230 Leigh Steinberg: women in the opposite sex. 521 00:24:48,812 --> 00:24:51,461 Leigh Steinberg: We need to talk about all these things and 522 00:24:51,522 --> 00:24:53,929 Leigh Steinberg: if you don't want to aspire to a higher 523 00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:57,741 Leigh Steinberg: level of conduct, go play in a sandlot, but 524 00:24:57,781 --> 00:25:00,388 Leigh Steinberg: if you want all the riches and largesse 525 00:25:00,608 --> 00:25:05,759 Leigh Steinberg: that sports is going to afford you, you 526 00:25:07,322 --> 00:25:10,187 Leigh Steinberg: can't be a camel with your head in the sand. 527 00:25:10,287 --> 00:25:13,259 Leigh Steinberg: You have to realize that you're on display 528 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,846 Leigh Steinberg: every time you leave your physical house. 529 00:25:17,219 --> 00:25:19,407 Marc Preston: Do you think that's your methodology or 530 00:25:19,447 --> 00:25:20,471 Marc Preston: your perspective? 531 00:25:20,511 --> 00:25:22,197 Marc Preston: Do you think that became, or has become, 532 00:25:22,237 --> 00:25:24,427 Marc Preston: the norm, or do you think that you're still 533 00:25:24,447 --> 00:25:26,256 Marc Preston: a little bit of an outlier to kind of look 534 00:25:26,276 --> 00:25:28,483 Marc Preston: at the full 360 degrees of the athlete's 535 00:25:28,564 --> 00:25:28,764 Marc Preston: life? 536 00:25:29,016 --> 00:25:31,364 Leigh Steinberg: The very first day someone would walk into 537 00:25:31,425 --> 00:25:32,489 Leigh Steinberg:

my office Marc. 538 00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:35,057 Leigh Steinberg: I would ask them what other talents and 539 00:25:35,137 --> 00:25:37,562 Leigh Steinberg: skills do you have besides athletic ones? 540 00:25:38,163 --> 00:25:40,588 Leigh Steinberg: How can we build towards a second career? 541 00:25:41,215 --> 00:25:42,878 Leigh Steinberg: How can you learn to network? 542 00:25:43,238 --> 00:25:48,947 Leigh Steinberg: Go to a banquet, walk up to a fellow there, 543 00:25:49,488 --> 00:25:52,220 Leigh Steinberg: have a five minute discussion, get his card 544 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,812 Leigh Steinberg: and build yourself a group of what you and 545 00:25:55,893 --> 00:26:00,281 Leigh Steinberg: I used to call the Rolodex of friendships 546 00:26:00,582 --> 00:26:01,563 Leigh Steinberg: and people to help you. 547 00:26:01,603 --> 00:26:05,750 Leigh Steinberg: And it's how you, steve Young or Brent 548 00:26:05,815 --> 00:26:07,819 Leigh Steinberg: Jones, both played for the 49ers. 549 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:11,627 Leigh Steinberg: So you ask them what businesses are there 550 00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:13,297 Leigh Steinberg: approximate to Santa Clara? 551 00:26:13,377 --> 00:26:15,803 Leigh Steinberg: Were you trained that you might want to 552 00:26:15,863 --> 00:26:16,505 Leigh Steinberg: network in? 553 00:26:16,725 --> 00:26:19,159 Leigh Steinberg: Well, high tech and venture capital? 554 00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:23,552 Leigh Steinberg: So it's not by chance that both Brent Jones 555 00:26:23,592 --> 00:26:26,721 Leigh Steinberg: and Steve Young had up hedge funds that are 556 00:26:26,761 --> 00:26:28,846 Leigh Steinberg: worth some billions of dollars. 557 00:26:30,379 --> 00:26:32,245 Marc Preston: Well, like Troy Aikman, got into the 558 00:26:32,325 --> 00:26:34,613 Marc Preston: automobile business pretty heavily in the 559 00:26:34,633 --> 00:26:35,756 Marc Preston: Dallas Fort Worth area Right. 560 00:26:35,876 --> 00:26:38,341 Leigh Steinberg: So the premise was that was all branding, 561 00:26:38,962 --> 00:26:42,576 Leigh Steinberg: that if you had an elevated brand would you 562 00:26:42,636 --> 00:26:45,542 Leigh Steinberg: rather drive a car and on your license 563 00:26:45,582 --> 00:26:49,016 Leigh Steinberg: plate it would say Troy Aikman Automall or 564 00:26:49,156 --> 00:26:55,126 Leigh Steinberg: Joe Schmoe Automall, and so it was always 565 00:26:55,386 --> 00:26:56,087 Leigh Steinberg: laying that out. 566 00:26:56,227 --> 00:26:58,557 Leigh Steinberg: I wish that was the universal standard and 567 00:26:58,637 --> 00:27:01,823 Leigh Steinberg: representation, but probably the prevailing 568 00:27:02,003 --> 00:27:04,548 Leigh Steinberg: ethos is going to get the money. 569 00:27:04,835 --> 00:27:05,558 Marc Preston: But relationships. 570 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:07,828 Marc Preston: That really is part and parcel of what your 571 00:27:07,929 --> 00:27:10,017 Marc Preston: job was is to foster those relationships 572 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:14,068 Marc Preston: with team owners or the people in the 573 00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:16,576 Marc Preston: ecosystem that were making decisions on 574 00:27:16,616 --> 00:27:18,822 Marc Preston: drafting or trades or whatever. 575 00:27:18,862 --> 00:27:19,223 Marc Preston: Have you? 576 00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:23,315 Marc Preston: Was there a part of it that you enjoyed the 577 00:27:23,456 --> 00:27:23,717 Marc Preston: most? 578 00:27:23,737 --> 00:27:25,425 Marc Preston: I mean, did you enjoy the challenge or 579 00:27:26,088 --> 00:27:27,776 Marc Preston: putting it together you know the deal, as 580 00:27:27,836 --> 00:27:30,486 Marc Preston: it were or did you, if you had a preference, 581 00:27:30,506 --> 00:27:33,135 Marc Preston: do you like the athlete, the relationship 582 00:27:33,235 --> 00:27:34,602 Marc Preston: you had with them and the building of their 583 00:27:34,643 --> 00:27:35,045 Marc Preston: career? 584 00:27:35,105 --> 00:27:37,597 Marc Preston: Was there a preference between kind of the 585 00:27:37,677 --> 00:27:39,946 Marc Preston: two different camps of relationships, as it 586 00:27:39,986 --> 00:27:40,127 Marc Preston: were? 587 00:27:40,508 --> 00:27:42,676 Leigh Steinberg: I mean the real pleasure is watching and 588 00:27:42,776 --> 00:27:44,942 Leigh Steinberg: helping to be part of the maturation 589 00:27:45,002 --> 00:27:49,433 Leigh Steinberg: process of young men and taking them from 590 00:27:49,894 --> 00:27:53,723 Leigh Steinberg: being a college senior or junior to second 591 00:27:53,763 --> 00:27:54,144 Leigh Steinberg: career. 592 00:27:55,467 --> 00:27:58,134 Leigh Steinberg: The most gratifying part of it was the 593 00:27:58,194 --> 00:28:00,459 Leigh Steinberg: charitable community programs where our 594 00:28:00,499 --> 00:28:05,651 Leigh Steinberg: guys have been responsible for major 595 00:28:05,731 --> 00:28:08,920 Leigh Steinberg: changes through the funding they can do, 596 00:28:09,542 --> 00:28:11,910 Leigh Steinberg: and I think in aggregate our guys are over 597 00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:14,017 Leigh Steinberg: a billion dollars in terms of money's 598 00:28:14,158 --> 00:28:14,619 Leigh Steinberg: raised. 599 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:17,288 Leigh Steinberg: But it's not just that, it's messaging. 600 00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:20,999 Leigh Steinberg: So when Lennox Lewis cut a PSA that said 601

00:28:21,219 --> 00:28:26,270 Leigh Steinberg: real men don't hit women, it could do more 602 00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:29,437 Leigh Steinberg: to trigger behavioral change and rebellious 603 00:28:29,617 --> 00:28:32,363 Leigh Steinberg: adolescents who don't want to listen to any 604 00:28:32,443 --> 00:28:36,999 Leigh Steinberg: authority figures than a thousand authority 605 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:37,982 Leigh Steinberg: figures ever could. 606 00:28:38,665 --> 00:28:41,635 Leigh Steinberg: Or Oscar Day-Loy and Steve Young prejudiced 607 00:28:41,655 --> 00:28:42,537 Leigh Steinberg: his foul play. 608 00:28:43,198 --> 00:28:49,251 Leigh Steinberg: So that was the most rewarding part was the 609 00:28:49,311 --> 00:28:52,418 Leigh Steinberg: dual lanes of helping in the maturation of 610 00:28:52,438 --> 00:28:53,060 Leigh Steinberg: the young men. 611 00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:54,764 Leigh Steinberg: Then together what we could do for the 612 00:28:54,804 --> 00:28:55,065 Leigh Steinberg: world. 613 00:28:55,595 --> 00:28:56,618 Marc Preston: And it seems like it's a real pay it 614 00:28:56,658 --> 00:28:59,686 Marc Preston: forward mentality that naturally if they do 615 00:28:59,726 --> 00:29:01,790 Marc Preston: that then they're going to the decisions 616 00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:04,558 Marc Preston: you've made as far as like how you try to 617 00:29:04,676 --> 00:29:05,178 Marc Preston: influence them. 618 00:29:05,198 --> 00:29:07,047 Marc Preston: Then they take the ball you know, nope, 619 00:29:07,067 --> 00:29:08,835 Marc Preston: unintended and run with that and then other 620 00:29:08,915 --> 00:29:10,242 Marc Preston: people will do the same and hopefully 621 00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:12,453 Marc Preston: exponentially that and seems like those 622 00:29:12,473 --> 00:29:13,297 Marc Preston: kind of things do grow. 623 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,087 Marc Preston: But it kind of brings me back to something 624 00:29:16,388 --> 00:29:18,697 Marc Preston: I naturally got to bring up Jerry McGuire. 625 00:29:18,797 --> 00:29:22,250 Marc Preston: But the whole, the preface of the movie was 626 00:29:22,511 --> 00:29:24,798 Marc Preston: there was a change, there was a shift from 627 00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,627 Marc Preston: moving away from that kind of what we're 628 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:29,670 Marc Preston: talking about right now. 629 00:29:31,434 --> 00:29:33,844 Marc Preston: Did you have the opportunity to Cameron 630 00:29:33,884 --> 00:29:34,205 Marc Preston: Crowe? 631 00:29:34,245 --> 00:29:36,253 Marc Preston: Did you discuss that he come pick your 632 00:29:36,273 --> 00:29:38,760 Marc Preston: brain and say you know, before, while he 633 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,825 Marc Preston: was conceiving of writing or whatever? 634 00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:42,436 Marc Preston: Have you the movie that he asked you 635 00:29:42,476 --> 00:29:45,663 Marc Preston: questions about your views on professional 636 00:29:45,723 --> 00:29:48,027 Marc Preston: sports and were you involved in that 637 00:29:48,067 --> 00:29:48,488 Marc Preston: process? 638 00:29:49,096 --> 00:29:52,005 Leigh Steinberg: Well, cameron called me in 1993 and said he 639 00:29:52,045 --> 00:29:55,235 Leigh Steinberg: was doing a film based on a sports agent 640 00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:59,425 Leigh Steinberg: and could he shadow me and follow me and be 641 00:29:59,445 --> 00:30:02,653 Leigh Steinberg: in situations I was in with athletes and 642 00:30:02,693 --> 00:30:05,561 Leigh Steinberg: teams and games and the rest of it. 643 00:30:05,621 --> 00:30:06,524 Leigh Steinberg: So I said sure. 644 00:30:07,226 --> 00:30:10,375 Leigh Steinberg: So he came with me to the league meetings 645 00:30:10,856 --> 00:30:14,363 Leigh Steinberg: in Palm Desert in 1993, where I was showing 646 00:30:14,483 --> 00:30:15,365 Leigh Steinberg: off free agents. 647 00:30:15,465 --> 00:30:18,257 Leigh Steinberg: He came with me to the draft in New York or 648 00:30:18,317 --> 00:30:19,439 Leigh Steinberg: had the first pick. 649 00:30:20,061 --> 00:30:22,405 Leigh Steinberg: He came to press conference with Bill 650 00:30:22,425 --> 00:30:23,187 Leigh Steinberg: Parcells. 651 00:30:23,327 --> 00:30:26,904 Leigh Steinberg: He came to pro scouting day at USC. 652 00:30:27,526 --> 00:30:29,753 Leigh Steinberg: He came to a series of games with me and 653 00:30:29,853 --> 00:30:34,462 Leigh Steinberg: all the time he was asking me for insights 654 00:30:34,522 --> 00:30:36,867 Leigh Steinberg: and stories and I told him lots and lots of 655 00:30:36,907 --> 00:30:40,881 Leigh Steinberg: stories and then he went off and wrote the 656 00:30:40,961 --> 00:30:43,887 Leigh Steinberg: script and I was a technical advisor so I 657 00:30:43,927 --> 00:30:46,859 Leigh Steinberg: had to vet the script to make sure the 658 00:30:46,919 --> 00:30:50,325 Leigh Steinberg: willing suspension of disbelief that keeps 659 00:30:50,345 --> 00:30:54,037 Leigh Steinberg: you in a movie that you didn't think it was 660 00:30:54,097 --> 00:30:56,522 Leigh Steinberg: funny, the dialogue was still good, the 661 00:30:56,763 --> 00:31:00,120 Leigh Steinberg: look was not right and all the rest of that. 662 00:31:00,401 --> 00:31:02,631 Leigh Steinberg: And then he assigned me actors to work with, 663 00:31:02,692 --> 00:31:05,681 Leigh Steinberg: like Cuba Gooding Jr, who I took down to 664

00:31:05,782 --> 00:31:09,011 Leigh Steinberg: the Super Bowl in Phoenix and made him 665 00:31:09,071 --> 00:31:13,782 Leigh Steinberg: pretend he was my client for a week. 666 00:31:14,263 --> 00:31:16,607 Leigh Steinberg: So yeah, there's a lot of life up there on 667 00:31:16,647 --> 00:31:17,088 Leigh Steinberg: the screen. 668 00:31:17,395 --> 00:31:19,944 Marc Preston: Yeah, it does seem like there are multiple. 669 00:31:20,767 --> 00:31:22,995 Marc Preston: I don't see messages but storylines kind of 670 00:31:23,055 --> 00:31:24,037 Marc Preston: running through that, but using the 671 00:31:24,057 --> 00:31:26,221 Marc Preston: backdrop of professional sports. 672 00:31:26,342 --> 00:31:30,777 Marc Preston: And I'd seen somewhere, I'd read somewhere, 673 00:31:30,837 --> 00:31:33,502 Marc Preston: that Warren Moon was sort of a quasi 674 00:31:33,542 --> 00:31:37,497 Marc Preston: template for Cuba Gooding Jr's character. 675 00:31:37,637 --> 00:31:39,303 Marc Preston: Is that accurate or is that just urban myth? 676 00:31:39,395 --> 00:31:40,398 Leigh Steinberg: No, that's accurate. 677 00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:43,908 Leigh Steinberg: And Tim McDonald, who was a free agent who 678 00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:49,000 Leigh Steinberg: we watched in Iraq with teams and Cameron, 679 00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:51,223 Leigh Steinberg: came out to dinner, like with Jimmer, say, 680 00:31:51,303 --> 00:31:54,970 Leigh Steinberg: the owner of Indianapolis. 681 00:31:55,877 --> 00:31:58,403 Leigh Steinberg: He sometimes was a fly on the wall and 682 00:31:58,443 --> 00:32:01,111 Leigh Steinberg: sometimes I integrated him into the 683 00:32:01,833 --> 00:32:04,019 Leigh Steinberg: situation and I sort of agreed with him. 684 00:32:04,059 --> 00:32:07,069 Leigh Steinberg: We wouldn't talk about what parts of my own 685 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:08,775 Leigh Steinberg: life were that. 686 00:32:08,915 --> 00:32:11,141 Marc Preston: Obviously he's not my life story because I 687 00:32:11,181 --> 00:32:13,005 Marc Preston: started with the first pick in the draft, 688 00:32:16,299 --> 00:32:19,264 Marc Preston: but that I would keep between he and I what 689 00:32:20,145 --> 00:32:22,169 Marc Preston: particularly might have got a modeled on 690 00:32:22,189 --> 00:32:25,103 Marc Preston: what Well, I know Tom Cruise is notorious 691 00:32:25,163 --> 00:32:27,692 Marc Preston: for being, I'd say, one of those guys 692 00:32:27,712 --> 00:32:30,322 Marc Preston: that's the most well prepared and both 693 00:32:30,422 --> 00:32:32,690 Marc Preston: physically knowledge he probably knows 694 00:32:32,731 --> 00:32:34,456 Marc Preston: everybody's lines, including his own, but 695 00:32:35,017

--> 00:32:36,661 Marc Preston: as technical advisor, was he picking your 696 00:32:36,701 --> 00:32:37,523 Marc Preston: brain as well? 697 00:32:37,723 --> 00:32:41,298 Leigh Steinberg: on just nuances I worked with all the 698 00:32:42,059 --> 00:32:45,906 Leigh Steinberg: actors, in other words Regina King that was 699 00:32:45,986 --> 00:32:49,858 Leigh Steinberg: her first big role and she what would a 700 00:32:49,939 --> 00:32:53,065 Leigh Steinberg: wife think of watching her husband get 701 00:32:53,145 --> 00:32:56,356 Leigh Steinberg: knocked to the ground on and not get up? 702 00:32:56,637 --> 00:33:00,043 Leigh Steinberg: You know how would she relate. 703 00:33:00,544 --> 00:33:04,430 Leigh Steinberg: Or Jerry O'Connell, the quarterback who I 704 00:33:04,455 --> 00:33:07,680 Leigh Steinberg: showed how to throw a spiral to see it gone 705 00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:10,264 Leigh Steinberg: to NYU and they didn't have football there. 706 00:33:14,555 --> 00:33:19,824 Leigh Steinberg: So it was working with a number of the 707 00:33:19,924 --> 00:33:22,729 Leigh Steinberg: actors on their role in the field and they 708 00:33:22,769 --> 00:33:25,582 Leigh Steinberg: came down and they took my wardrobe and 709 00:33:25,622 --> 00:33:29,152 Leigh Steinberg: they shot like the scene before Jerry 710 00:33:29,192 --> 00:33:31,778 Leigh Steinberg: Movire leaves the big agencies that shot 711 00:33:31,878 --> 00:33:35,987 Leigh Steinberg: out of my window in Newport Beach and they 712 00:33:36,388 --> 00:33:40,638 Leigh Steinberg: they took my wardrobe and legal pads and 713 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,168 Leigh Steinberg: descended for feel and tone. 714 00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:47,714 Marc Preston: That's the thing that I think you kind of 715 00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:48,919 Marc Preston: inherently wanted to be. 716 00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:51,429 Marc Preston: I remember being a young guy it was my 717 00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:54,019 Marc Preston: early 20s, I think, when that came out and 718 00:33:54,721 --> 00:33:56,427 Marc Preston: I just remember sports was. 719 00:33:56,447 --> 00:33:58,273 Marc Preston: You know that we knew Michael Jordan was in 720 00:33:58,293 --> 00:34:00,020 Marc Preston: the ecosystem and you first talk about that, 721 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,268 Marc Preston: that that era of the Dallas Cowboys. 722 00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:05,000 Marc Preston: It was just maybe it's because I was in my 723 00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:07,311 Marc Preston: early 20s, I was more cognizant of that or 724 00:34:07,432 --> 00:34:08,758 Marc Preston: something but it seemed like there was a 725 00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:09,662 Marc Preston: shift. 726 00:34:09,682 --> 00:34:11,871 Marc Preston: It was becoming more for lack of a better 727 00:34:11,891 --> 00:34:13,438 Marc Preston: way of calling it sports were becoming more 728 00:34:13,478 --> 00:34:14,623 Marc Preston: Hollywood, if you will. 729 00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:17,274 Marc Preston: You know it was bigger personalities to 730 00:34:17,314 --> 00:34:18,961 Marc Preston: Deon Sanders types and whatever. 731 00:34:19,001 --> 00:34:19,322 Marc Preston: Have you? 732 00:34:19,735 --> 00:34:24,442 Leigh Steinberg: Well, think about this 80 of the top 100 733 00:34:24,603 --> 00:34:28,048 Leigh Steinberg: Nielsen rated TV shows last year were NFL 734 00:34:28,068 --> 00:34:28,449 Leigh Steinberg: football. 735 00:34:29,475 --> 00:34:32,726 Leigh Steinberg: So it means that NFL football is not only 736 00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:35,515 Leigh Steinberg: most popular sport, by two to one, it's the 737 00:34:35,635 --> 00:34:37,660 Leigh Steinberg: most popular form of televised 738 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,522 Leigh Steinberg: entertainment. 739 00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:43,595 Leigh Steinberg: So that power went into raising the profile 740 00:34:43,755 --> 00:34:46,725 Leigh Steinberg: of individual athletes and that, combined 741 00:34:46,785 --> 00:34:49,875 Leigh Steinberg: with endorsements and ubiquitous way that 742 00:34:49,975 --> 00:34:52,303 Leigh Steinberg: we saw Michael Jordan on TV over and over 743 00:34:52,404 --> 00:34:52,925 Leigh Steinberg: and over again. 744 00:34:53,668 --> 00:34:56,537 Leigh Steinberg: It gave athletes a chance if they performed 745 00:34:56,597 --> 00:34:59,463 Leigh Steinberg: dramatically and had good personalities, to 746 00:34:59,503 --> 00:35:02,539 Leigh Steinberg: cross over from the narrow genre of 747 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,991 Leigh Steinberg: hardcore sports fans to become household 748 00:35:05,051 --> 00:35:05,433 Leigh Steinberg: names. 749 00:35:06,737 --> 00:35:09,062 Marc Preston: Well, how did you become cognizant of that? 750 00:35:09,443 --> 00:35:11,268 Marc Preston: Of course there was an evolution in sports 751 00:35:11,355 --> 00:35:12,358 Marc Preston: as TV came in. 752 00:35:12,759 --> 00:35:13,881 Marc Preston: Were you noticing that? 753 00:35:13,901 --> 00:35:15,746 Marc Preston: Or were you just kind of a voracious? 754 00:35:16,007 --> 00:35:17,941 Marc Preston: Did you just digest all the information you 755 00:35:17,981 --> 00:35:18,262 Marc Preston: can? 756 00:35:18,796 --> 00:35:19,677 Leigh Steinberg: No, no. 757 00:35:20,058 --> 00:35:22,704 Leigh Steinberg: We got to Atlanta and we arrived at the 758 00:35:22,764 --> 00:35:24,608 Leigh Steinberg: airport tonight before the signing, and 759

00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:27,621 Leigh Steinberg: there's cleat lights flashing in the sky 760 00:35:27,902 --> 00:35:29,425 Leigh Steinberg: like for a movie premiere. 761 00:35:29,886 --> 00:35:32,321 Leigh Steinberg: A huge crowd is pressed up against the 762 00:35:32,341 --> 00:35:34,108 Leigh Steinberg: police line and the first thing we hear is 763 00:35:34,771 --> 00:35:36,797 Leigh Steinberg: we interrupt the Johnny Carson show to 764 00:35:36,837 --> 00:35:39,263 Leigh Steinberg: bring you a special news bulletin Seabart 765 00:35:39,283 --> 00:35:41,508 Leigh Steinberg: Kowsky and his attorney have just arrived 766 00:35:41,595 --> 00:35:42,276 Leigh Steinberg: at the airport. 767 00:35:42,998 --> 00:35:43,859 Leigh Steinberg: I saw it. 768 00:35:44,721 --> 00:35:48,147 Leigh Steinberg: I saw it in a way I didn't in Southern or 769 00:35:48,227 --> 00:35:49,309 Leigh Steinberg: Northern California. 770 00:35:49,515 --> 00:35:53,684 Leigh Steinberg: I saw the frenzy and I knew what an 771 00:35:53,804 --> 00:35:58,534 Leigh Steinberg: integral that these athletes were becoming 772 00:35:58,634 --> 00:35:59,957 Leigh Steinberg: the new movie stars. 773 00:36:00,538 --> 00:36:04,928 Leigh Steinberg: And so today, patrick Wilhomes wins the 774 00:36:05,008 --> 00:36:08,676 Leigh Steinberg: Super Bowl and he's on all sorts of other 775 00:36:08,716 --> 00:36:10,901 Leigh Steinberg: TV shows and everything, and at the end of 776 00:36:10,941 --> 00:36:14,135 Leigh Steinberg: the day, time selects him as one of the 777 00:36:14,215 --> 00:36:17,363 Leigh Steinberg: hundred most influential people on the 778 00:36:17,403 --> 00:36:17,925 Leigh Steinberg: planet. 779 00:36:18,947 --> 00:36:22,015 Leigh Steinberg: So, whether it was Tiger Woods or Michael 780 00:36:22,195 --> 00:36:25,661 Leigh Steinberg: Jordan or LeBron James or Muhammad Ali, 781 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:29,949 Leigh Steinberg: this celebrity building machine elevated 782 00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:33,684 Leigh Steinberg: these athletes to household name status. 783 00:36:34,115 --> 00:36:36,026 Marc Preston: It's interesting to me if you were to look 784 00:36:36,066 --> 00:36:37,595 Marc Preston: in the kind of the overall like the labor 785 00:36:37,715 --> 00:36:39,841 Marc Preston: Marcet is outside of sports. 786 00:36:39,901 --> 00:36:44,753 Marc Preston: You look at you know CEO salaries and have 787 00:36:44,773 --> 00:36:46,681 Marc Preston: skyrocketed and the proportionally your 788 00:36:46,742 --> 00:36:48,651 Marc Preston: average worker salary hasn't really kind of 789 00:36:48,692 --> 00:36:49,174 Marc Preston: kept up. 790 00:36:49,214 --> 00:36:52,086 Marc Preston: But it seems like for those

that kind of 791 00:36:52,126 --> 00:36:53,753 Marc Preston: complain I athlete shouldn't be making all 792 00:36:53,773 --> 00:36:55,482 Marc Preston: this money and you know, whatever have you. 793 00:36:56,145 --> 00:36:57,733 Marc Preston: I kind of look at it like well, it seems 794 00:36:57,753 --> 00:36:59,642 Marc Preston: like that's an industry that's kind of kept 795 00:36:59,722 --> 00:37:00,024 Marc Preston: pace. 796 00:37:00,124 --> 00:37:01,933 Marc Preston: You know you say there's massive TV 797 00:37:01,973 --> 00:37:02,415 Marc Preston: contracts. 798 00:37:02,535 --> 00:37:03,938 Marc Preston: Come in Now. 799 00:37:03,978 --> 00:37:05,983 Marc Preston: The athletes get their fair share of that. 800 00:37:06,163 --> 00:37:08,335 Marc Preston: It seems like in professional sports they 801 00:37:08,375 --> 00:37:11,523 Marc Preston: do get a reasonable percentage of the of 802 00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:12,646 Marc Preston: the contribution they make. 803 00:37:12,966 --> 00:37:14,499 Marc Preston: Do you think that's an accurate statement 804 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:15,784 Marc Preston: that they are? 805 00:37:15,915 --> 00:37:16,717 Leigh Steinberg: Remember these. 806 00:37:16,958 --> 00:37:19,645 Leigh Steinberg: These sports are capped and they have 807 00:37:19,726 --> 00:37:20,367 Leigh Steinberg: formulas. 808 00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:26,302 Leigh Steinberg: So in football owners make 53% of the gross 809 00:37:26,884 --> 00:37:28,888 Leigh Steinberg: the money that comes in, and players make 810 00:37:28,948 --> 00:37:30,031 Leigh Steinberg: 47%. 811 00:37:30,692 --> 00:37:34,039 Leigh Steinberg: So the only way the player salaries rise is 812 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,266 Leigh Steinberg: if revenue is rising and they do a split 813 00:37:38,346 --> 00:37:41,617 Leigh Steinberg: and they have caps that talk about how much 814 00:37:41,697 --> 00:37:44,785 Leigh Steinberg: work he's will be paid and so their 815 00:37:44,965 --> 00:37:46,729 Leigh Steinberg: limitations on spending. 816 00:37:46,749 --> 00:37:51,745 Leigh Steinberg: It can only grow to the point where you 817 00:37:51,785 --> 00:37:54,591 Leigh Steinberg: have revenue coming in at enhanced levels 818 00:37:55,072 --> 00:37:57,418 Leigh Steinberg: and now, for the first time, you have 819 00:37:57,498 --> 00:38:00,107 Leigh Steinberg: football quarterbacks making the same money 820 00:38:00,187 --> 00:38:03,980 Leigh Steinberg: that their peers are making in basketball 821 00:38:04,060 --> 00:38:04,703 Leigh Steinberg: and baseball. 822 00:38:05,076 --> 00:38:06,540 Marc Preston: I mean, what would you say to the people 823 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,987 Marc Preston:

who and that's as was I'm going back to the 824 00:38:09,035 --> 00:38:10,724 Marc Preston: 90s again, when I first started hearing 825 00:38:10,744 --> 00:38:12,473 Marc Preston: this people like Well, why are they making 826 00:38:12,835 --> 00:38:13,477 Marc Preston: all this money? 827 00:38:13,517 --> 00:38:14,881 Marc Preston: That's too much money, they're just playing 828 00:38:14,921 --> 00:38:15,242 Marc Preston: a game. 829 00:38:16,024 --> 00:38:17,668 Marc Preston: I'm sure you've heard that argument many, 830 00:38:17,689 --> 00:38:18,135 Marc Preston: many times. 831 00:38:18,335 --> 00:38:21,003 Leigh Steinberg: Well, you, wouldn't think of it as quite a 832 00:38:21,063 --> 00:38:25,054 Leigh Steinberg: game if you saw what happens to football 833 00:38:25,094 --> 00:38:26,337 Leigh Steinberg: players over time. 834 00:38:26,878 --> 00:38:29,303 Leigh Steinberg: In other words, their bodies break down. 835 00:38:29,344 --> 00:38:31,916 Leigh Steinberg: They have serious concussion issues, they 836 00:38:31,956 --> 00:38:33,319 Leigh Steinberg: have dementia issues. 837 00:38:33,479 --> 00:38:35,423 Leigh Steinberg: They've got all sorts of things there. 838 00:38:36,225 --> 00:38:39,319 Leigh Steinberg: Their path in life, second, free of wise is 839 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,609 Leigh Steinberg: not totally normal because of the amount of 840 00:38:41,689 --> 00:38:43,756 Leigh Steinberg: pounding that their body took. 841 00:38:44,277 --> 00:38:47,302 Leigh Steinberg: But the second thing is it's all supply and 842 00:38:47,343 --> 00:38:47,823 Leigh Steinberg: demand. 843 00:38:48,725 --> 00:38:53,902 Leigh Steinberg: For years I said to owners all will have a 844 00:38:53,962 --> 00:38:57,050 Leigh Steinberg: client take a cut in salary to the degree 845 00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:59,417 Leigh Steinberg: that that reflected lower ticket prices, 846 00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:01,967 Leigh Steinberg: and I would never take it up on it because 847 00:39:02,027 --> 00:39:04,516 Leigh Steinberg: ticket prices are a function of supply and 848 00:39:04,536 --> 00:39:05,017 Leigh Steinberg: demand. 849 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,025 Leigh Steinberg: So for a football team there's only 10 home 850 00:39:08,086 --> 00:39:12,918 Leigh Steinberg: gates right, and the people compete for how 851 00:39:13,279 --> 00:39:15,263 Leigh Steinberg: much they're willing to pay, whether it's a 852 00:39:15,324 --> 00:39:17,635 Leigh Steinberg: luxury box or just a regular seat. 853 00:39:18,296 --> 00:39:23,784 Leigh Steinberg: So it's what the Marcet is and it's value 854 00:39:23,884 --> 00:39:28,917 Leigh Steinberg: coming in Every time someone buys a t-shirt 855 00:39:29,257 --> 00:39:33,988 Leigh Steinberg: or participates in fantasy or does and 856 00:39:34,028 --> 00:39:34,950 Leigh Steinberg: subscribes. 857 00:39:35,171 --> 00:39:37,957 Leigh Steinberg: There's so many different ways to enjoy 858 00:39:38,038 --> 00:39:43,291 Leigh Steinberg: sports now and so it's all supply and 859 00:39:43,331 --> 00:39:43,652 Leigh Steinberg: demand. 860 00:39:43,692 --> 00:39:46,037 Leigh Steinberg: There's a finite amount of people who can 861 00:39:46,057 --> 00:39:49,806 Leigh Steinberg: play at these levels and the sports 862 00:39:49,866 --> 00:39:50,487 Leigh Steinberg: generate it. 863 00:39:51,516 --> 00:39:51,918 Marc Preston: I agree. 864 00:39:52,138 --> 00:39:54,104 Marc Preston: I know the people that have over the years, 865 00:39:54,124 --> 00:39:55,106 Marc Preston: so they shouldn't make that money. 866 00:39:55,255 --> 00:39:56,438 Marc Preston: To me I've always been like, well, they 867 00:39:56,458 --> 00:39:58,504 Marc Preston: should get their fair share of what their 868 00:39:58,985 --> 00:39:59,716 Marc Preston: contribution is. 869 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,700 Marc Preston: You have three kids, Am I correct? 870 00:40:01,861 --> 00:40:04,687 Leigh Steinberg: I do I have two boys and a girl. 871 00:40:04,995 --> 00:40:06,740 Marc Preston: Did any of them follow in your footsteps 872 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,465 Marc Preston: when it came to working in the sports and 873 00:40:08,505 --> 00:40:09,396 Marc Preston: entertainment industry? 874 00:40:09,496 --> 00:40:13,663 Leigh Steinberg: My daughter works in social media in Dallas. 875 00:40:15,205 --> 00:40:18,936 Leigh Steinberg: My middle son works with me in the agency 876 00:40:19,837 --> 00:40:23,382 Leigh Steinberg: and unfortunately the two boys have an 877 00:40:24,784 --> 00:40:28,850 Leigh Steinberg: eyesight condition called Nidus pigmentosa. 878 00:40:29,875 --> 00:40:33,942 Leigh Steinberg: They're both legally blind, but the focus 879 00:40:33,982 --> 00:40:37,528 Leigh Steinberg: has to be on what they still can do, and 880 00:40:37,649 --> 00:40:41,303 Leigh Steinberg: the oldest one is teaching at a blind 881 00:40:41,383 --> 00:40:41,805 Leigh Steinberg: school. 882 00:40:41,905 --> 00:40:43,188 Leigh Steinberg: He's also a writer. 883 00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,376 Leigh Steinberg: The middle one aspires to be an agent. 884 00:40:46,576 --> 00:40:47,558 Marc Preston: How old are your kids now? 885 00:40:47,938 --> 00:40:57,631 Leigh Steinberg: They are 37, 32, and 28. 886 00:40:57,936 --> 00:40:58,339 Marc Preston: I've got three. 887 00:40:58,359 --> 00:40:59,707 Marc Preston: I also have to keep track of what their. 888

00:41:00,009 --> 00:41:01,637 Marc Preston: So remembering their ages can be a task. 889 00:41:01,717 --> 00:41:03,983 Marc Preston: But now your daughter, who lives in Dallas. 890 00:41:04,003 --> 00:41:05,025 Marc Preston: What part of Dallas did she in? 891 00:41:05,875 --> 00:41:06,356 Leigh Steinberg: Uptown. 892 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,924 Marc Preston: Okay, that's the happening area right now, 893 00:41:09,964 --> 00:41:10,305 Marc Preston: of course. 894 00:41:11,755 --> 00:41:14,421 Leigh Steinberg: You walk down the streets and it's like 895 00:41:15,884 --> 00:41:17,267 Leigh Steinberg: young people's paradise. 896 00:41:17,735 --> 00:41:20,862 Marc Preston: Yeah, Well, Dallas is becoming to me like 897 00:41:21,042 --> 00:41:21,944 Marc Preston: LA in a bit. 898 00:41:22,124 --> 00:41:24,415 Marc Preston: It's just booming right now, you know. 899 00:41:24,496 --> 00:41:25,978 Leigh Steinberg: Very much so. 900 00:41:26,399 --> 00:41:30,427 Leigh Steinberg: And if you're young, there are dozens of 901 00:41:30,507 --> 00:41:33,037 Leigh Steinberg: young people on the streets and in the 902 00:41:33,097 --> 00:41:36,362 Leigh Steinberg: cafes and walk, you know, at the park. 903 00:41:36,603 --> 00:41:41,216 Leigh Steinberg: I mean, it's like a whole generation of 904 00:41:41,577 --> 00:41:44,448 Leigh Steinberg: young people starting their careers. 905 00:41:44,669 --> 00:41:45,813 Marc Preston: I was a North Dallas kid. 906 00:41:45,853 --> 00:41:48,181 Marc Preston: I grew up in the Burbs, but I remember my 907 00:41:48,301 --> 00:41:51,751 Marc Preston: first football banquet sophomore year there 908 00:41:51,771 --> 00:41:53,978 Marc Preston: was this young new guy for the Cowboys came 909 00:41:53,998 --> 00:41:54,399 Marc Preston: to speak. 910 00:41:54,439 --> 00:41:56,565 Marc Preston: That they Because I get tech shram, I think 911 00:41:56,585 --> 00:41:58,338 Marc Preston: had a little bit of a problem, but it was 912 00:41:58,398 --> 00:42:00,684 Marc Preston: Michael Irvin showed up and that was so 913 00:42:00,764 --> 00:42:01,466 Marc Preston: kind of interesting. 914 00:42:01,955 --> 00:42:04,002 Marc Preston: Well, the career trajectory, and that was 915 00:42:04,062 --> 00:42:06,330 Marc Preston: his first year young guy coming in. 916 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:10,463 Marc Preston: And when I worked at a restaurant I served 917 00:42:10,503 --> 00:42:12,670 Marc Preston: Jimmy Johnson one time. 918 00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:15,075 Marc Preston: You know I thought that was so cool. 919 00:42:15,815 --> 00:42:19,557 Leigh Steinberg: Texas is probably, maybe along with Florida, 920 00:42:19,617 --> 00:42:22,998 Leigh Steinberg: the most

football crazy culture. 921 00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:30,970 Marc Preston: One thing I like to do. 922 00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:33,057 Marc Preston: I like something called my seven questions. 923 00:42:33,137 --> 00:42:35,044 Marc Preston: It's just sort of like an additional get to 924 00:42:35,084 --> 00:42:36,804 Marc Preston: know, ya, something a little fun. 925 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,564 Marc Preston: But one of the things I'm curious about, 926 00:42:39,584 --> 00:42:42,161 Marc Preston: because I'm all about the food, so much so 927 00:42:42,201 --> 00:42:43,607 Marc Preston: the Waminel. 928 00:42:43,627 --> 00:42:46,016 Marc Preston: I don't have any delis around me here, so 929 00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:47,762 Marc Preston: I'm always at canteries at least two or 930 00:42:47,802 --> 00:42:48,364 Marc Preston: three times. 931 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,068 Marc Preston: But curious about what your. 932 00:42:52,389 --> 00:42:54,135 Marc Preston: If you said a comfort food, something that 933 00:42:54,155 --> 00:42:55,805 Marc Preston: you just love to sit down, and it's a 934 00:42:55,865 --> 00:42:57,423 Marc Preston: comfort food, what would that be your 935 00:42:57,484 --> 00:42:57,986 Marc Preston: favorite thing? 936 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,105 Leigh Steinberg: Mexican food tacos, enchiladas. 937 00:43:01,285 --> 00:43:05,533 Leigh Steinberg: Italian food pizza, lasagna anything with 938 00:43:05,793 --> 00:43:09,749 Leigh Steinberg: red sauce and cheese hits the spot with me, 939 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,106 Leigh Steinberg: but also like Indian food and Asian food, 940 00:43:15,087 --> 00:43:19,794 Leigh Steinberg: and I mostly eat a lot of green and a 941 00:43:19,834 --> 00:43:20,735 Leigh Steinberg: little bit of protein. 942 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,124 Marc Preston: Yeah, I need to do more of that. 943 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,766 Marc Preston: You know, people always talk healthy but in 944 00:43:25,866 --> 00:43:28,392 Marc Preston: action I talk it, but I need to do more of 945 00:43:28,452 --> 00:43:28,953 Marc Preston: the green. 946 00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:30,885 Marc Preston: I was so proud of myself I put some greens 947 00:43:30,966 --> 00:43:32,109 Marc Preston: on a taco last night. 948 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,023 Marc Preston: I felt it. 949 00:43:33,064 --> 00:43:34,352 Marc Preston: I cooked, I felt like I was like, hey, I'm 950 00:43:34,372 --> 00:43:34,794 Marc Preston: being healthy. 951 00:43:34,815 --> 00:43:36,363 Marc Preston: There's a few leaves of something here. 952 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:40,368 Marc Preston: Now, if you were to sit down for a cup of 953 00:43:40,408 --> 00:43:42,695 Marc Preston: coffee,

to sit down and talk, story three 954 00:43:42,736 --> 00:43:45,907 Marc Preston: people, living or not, who do you think 955 00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:47,232 Marc Preston: would make for a great few hours 956 00:43:47,313 --> 00:43:48,035 Marc Preston: conversation? 957 00:43:48,055 --> 00:43:50,164 Marc Preston: Who would those three people be? 958 00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:58,990 Leigh Steinberg: I think it'd be Martin Luther King, mahatma 959 00:43:59,350 --> 00:44:04,216 Leigh Steinberg: Gandhi and maybe somebody like Denzel 960 00:44:04,256 --> 00:44:04,837 Leigh Steinberg: Washington. 961 00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:06,768 Marc Preston: I think Denzel would be a great one. 962 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,573 Marc Preston: I mean anybody there that just they operate 963 00:44:09,633 --> 00:44:10,598 Marc Preston: at the top of their game. 964 00:44:10,638 --> 00:44:12,386 Marc Preston: He seems to have a great mental game. 965 00:44:13,062 --> 00:44:14,265 Marc Preston: Yeah, I know, for lack of a better way of 966 00:44:14,305 --> 00:44:16,110 Marc Preston: putting it, those people really intrigued 967 00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:16,250 Marc Preston: me. 968 00:44:17,741 --> 00:44:21,248 Leigh Steinberg: Well, he and Russell Crowe are two actors 969 00:44:21,368 --> 00:44:24,574 Leigh Steinberg: to me who submerge themselves into a role, 970 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,469 Leigh Steinberg: and it's not necessarily them each time. 971 00:44:28,501 --> 00:44:30,784 Leigh Steinberg: Now, the word I know Jimmy Fox, and I 972 00:44:30,804 --> 00:44:36,073 Leigh Steinberg: remember watching him as Ray Charles. 973 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,547 Marc Preston: He was in any given Sunday also, wasn't he? 974 00:44:40,922 --> 00:44:43,368 Leigh Steinberg: Yes, which I also was technical advisor for. 975 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,089 Leigh Steinberg: And the point is, there's certain actors 976 00:44:48,149 --> 00:44:50,678 Leigh Steinberg: who, if you see Russell Crowe and Gladiator, 977 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,307 Leigh Steinberg: it's not the Russell Crowe of a beautiful 978 00:44:53,367 --> 00:44:59,953 Leigh Steinberg: mind, it's not the Russell Crowe in Les Mis, 979 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:00,981 Leigh Steinberg: you know it's. 980 00:45:02,043 --> 00:45:05,850 Leigh Steinberg: He inhabits the roles and you forget who 981 00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:06,771 Leigh Steinberg: the actor is. 982 00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:08,334 Leigh Steinberg: You're just into the role. 983 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:10,085 Marc Preston: Yeah, as an actor, I look at them and think 984 00:45:10,105 --> 00:45:10,888 Marc Preston: they're just aliens. 985 00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:11,683 Marc Preston: I don't know how they do it. 986 00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:14,628 Marc Preston: Another one is Leonardo DiCaprio. 987 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,550 Marc Preston: He's one of those guys that again, kind of 988 00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:18,240 Marc Preston: like I mentioned with Tom Cruise they're 989 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,223 Marc Preston: just so well prepared, they show up on set 990 00:45:21,283 --> 00:45:23,410 Marc Preston: and everything it's just all locked in. 991 00:45:24,022 --> 00:45:26,408 Marc Preston: To me it's like a player who it's game day. 992 00:45:26,508 --> 00:45:28,301 Marc Preston: You know when they blow the whistle they're 993 00:45:28,321 --> 00:45:28,481 Marc Preston: ready. 994 00:45:28,762 --> 00:45:31,923 Marc Preston: You know, now, if we were to, if I was to 995 00:45:31,983 --> 00:45:35,251 Marc Preston: say that you, you and the family, y'all get 996 00:45:35,271 --> 00:45:37,125 Marc Preston: to go hang out on an island, beautiful, 997 00:45:37,366 --> 00:45:39,073 Marc Preston: amazing island for a year, but you're not 998 00:45:39,093 --> 00:45:40,419 Marc Preston: going to have streaming or internet or 999 00:45:40,479 --> 00:45:41,802 Marc Preston: anything, so you're going to have to bring Speaker: 1000 00:45:42,463 --> 00:45:45,129 Marc Preston: with you a CD, your favorite album, and a Speaker: 1001 00:45:45,169 --> 00:45:48,324 Marc Preston: DVD, a movie that you can watch over and Speaker: 1002 00:45:48,404 --> 00:45:48,926 Marc Preston: over again. Speaker: 1003 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,805 Marc Preston: What would that album be and what would Speaker: 1004 00:45:50,825 --> 00:45:51,607 Marc Preston: that DVD be? Speaker: 1005 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,847 Leigh Steinberg: Well, the album would be Motown and it Speaker: 1006 00:45:57,987 --> 00:46:02,573 Leigh Steinberg: would be the Supremes of Four Tops or a Speaker: 1007 00:46:02,694 --> 00:46:07,125 Leigh Steinberg: group from Back in my Youth, and the movie Speaker: 1008 00:46:07,405 --> 00:46:11,413 Leigh Steinberg: would you know, as men we watch so many Speaker: 1009 00:46:11,513 --> 00:46:13,523 Leigh Steinberg: movies and if we like them we watch them Speaker: 1010 00:46:13,623 --> 00:46:13,784 Leigh Steinberg: over. Speaker: 1011 00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:20,223 Leigh Steinberg: The Godfather one and two, three I thought Speaker: 1012 00:46:20,303 --> 00:46:20,966 Leigh Steinberg: didn't work. Speaker: 1013 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,270 Leigh Steinberg: I would cut one and two chronologically so Speaker: 1014 00:46:24,351 --> 00:46:27,160 Leigh Steinberg: that actually the first part of the movie Speaker: 1015 00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:33,109 Leigh Steinberg: is is Corleone growing up in Italy, and Speaker: 1016 00:46:33,149

--> 00:46:35,393 Leigh Steinberg: then Trace it chronologically. Speaker: 1017 00:46:37,381 --> 00:46:39,966 Leigh Steinberg: But the Godfather, the quality of those Speaker: 1018 00:46:40,346 --> 00:46:43,913 Leigh Steinberg: actors to have Marlon Brando and Robert De Speaker: 1019 00:46:43,973 --> 00:46:48,366 Leigh Steinberg: Niro and Al Pacino and Diane Keaton and all Speaker: 1020 00:46:48,426 --> 00:46:52,052 Leigh Steinberg: those amazing actors in one movie and it Speaker: 1021 00:46:52,272 --> 00:46:53,955 Leigh Steinberg: speaks a lot to human nature. Speaker: 1022 00:46:54,963 --> 00:46:57,610 Marc Preston: Have you seen the Paramount Plus the offer? Speaker: 1023 00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:59,785 Marc Preston: I think it's on Paramount Plus the offer, Speaker: 1024 00:46:59,825 --> 00:47:02,492 Marc Preston: the movie about the making of the Godfather. Speaker: 1025 00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:03,885 Marc Preston: Oh, it was so good. Speaker: 1026 00:47:03,945 --> 00:47:04,467 Marc Preston: It was so good. Speaker: 1027 00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:07,507 Marc Preston: It was when you realize the obstacles they Speaker: 1028 00:47:07,567 --> 00:47:10,233 Marc Preston: had the producer having to negotiate with Speaker: 1029 00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:12,631 Marc Preston: the Italian League, I think it's what it Speaker: 1030 00:47:12,652 --> 00:47:12,933 Marc Preston: was called. Speaker: 1031 00:47:12,993 --> 00:47:16,444 Marc Preston: It was just getting the movie made and then Speaker: 1032 00:47:16,464 --> 00:47:19,691 Marc Preston: the selection, because Pacino was not as Speaker: 1033 00:47:19,772 --> 00:47:20,613 Marc Preston: big of an actor back then. Speaker: 1034 00:47:21,963 --> 00:47:23,928 Marc Preston: But yeah, I do believe there are some great Speaker: 1035 00:47:24,008 --> 00:47:25,011 Marc Preston: actors in the third one. Speaker: 1036 00:47:25,031 --> 00:47:26,283 Marc Preston: But I don't think the third one worked Speaker: 1037 00:47:26,905 --> 00:47:28,390 Marc Preston: nearly at the level the first two did. Speaker: 1038 00:47:28,681 --> 00:47:29,866 Marc Preston: I will agree with you on that. Speaker: 1039 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,785 Leigh Steinberg: The third one didn't work because somewhere Speaker: 1040 00:47:32,845 --> 00:47:37,413 Leigh Steinberg: between two and three, al Pacino morphed Speaker: 1041 00:47:37,754 --> 00:47:42,808 Leigh Steinberg: from a cold-blooded businessman into an old Speaker: 1042 00:47:43,710 --> 00:47:44,011 Leigh Steinberg: mensch. Speaker: 1043 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,281 Leigh Steinberg: His voice wasn't even the same, he wasn't Speaker: 1044 00:47:48,301 --> 00:47:48,823 Leigh Steinberg: the same. Speaker: 1045 00:47:49,285 --> 00:47:51,612 Leigh Steinberg: There was no character development that Speaker: 1046 00:47:51,693 --> 00:47:56,565 Leigh Steinberg: took you from this steely, cold business Speaker: 1047 00:47:56,625 --> 00:48:00,453 Leigh Steinberg: person to this wonderful old grandpa. Speaker: 1048 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,985 Marc Preston: Well, as a kind of a side question, what Speaker: 1049 00:48:04,105 --> 00:48:07,972 Marc Preston: movie about professional sports do you feel Speaker: 1050 00:48:08,353 --> 00:48:09,094 Marc Preston: got it right? Speaker: 1051 00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:11,846 Marc Preston: I almost got it right for the time it came Speaker: 1052 00:48:11,886 --> 00:48:14,232 Marc Preston: out, because a movie came out in the 70s Speaker: 1053 00:48:14,272 --> 00:48:15,734 Marc Preston: most certainly I don't know if it applies Speaker: 1054 00:48:15,994 --> 00:48:17,916 Marc Preston: necessarily to this paradigm, like we're Speaker: 1055 00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:18,982 Marc Preston: talking about just the money issue. Speaker: 1056 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,423 Marc Preston: What movie do you think got it right in Speaker: 1057 00:48:22,463 --> 00:48:24,949 Marc Preston: telling a story that seems and feels true Speaker: 1058 00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:27,263 Marc Preston: to the life of professional athletes and Speaker: 1059 00:48:27,283 --> 00:48:28,989 Marc Preston: just kind of the ecosystem of professional Speaker: 1060 00:48:29,029 --> 00:48:29,390 Marc Preston: sports? Speaker: 1061 00:48:29,741 --> 00:48:32,245 Leigh Steinberg: Well, I hope Jerry Marrard did, because Speaker: 1062 00:48:33,848 --> 00:48:36,332 Leigh Steinberg: that was one of the films I was technical Speaker: 1063 00:48:36,452 --> 00:48:37,274 Leigh Steinberg: advisor on. Speaker: 1064 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,091 Leigh Steinberg: I then did Any Given Sunday with Oliver Speaker: 1065 00:48:42,131 --> 00:48:45,399 Leigh Steinberg: Stone and I then did a baseball movie Speaker: 1066 00:48:45,419 --> 00:48:46,824 Leigh Steinberg: called For the Love of a Game. Speaker: 1067 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,586 Leigh Steinberg: I was technical advisor. Speaker: 1068 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,744 Leigh Steinberg: But you know the old Pride of the Anx, some Speaker: 1069 00:48:54,785 --> 00:48:57,088 Leigh Steinberg: of those old movies. Speaker: 1070 00:48:57,990 --> 00:49:03,122 Leigh Steinberg: Every modestly themed, modestly budgeted Speaker: 1071 00:49:04,785 --> 00:49:09,371 Leigh Steinberg: movie based on aspirational stories, where Speaker: 1072 00:49:09,452 --> 00:49:13,222 Leigh Steinberg: someone hits challenge and crash and then Speaker: 1073 00:49:13,262 --> 00:49:18,131 Leigh Steinberg: has to come back and they all work and Speaker: 1074 00:49:18,913 --> 00:49:23,442 Leigh Steinberg: because it's a life, will push us all

back Speaker: 1075 00:49:24,224 --> 00:49:26,470 Leigh Steinberg: and the question is, can you be resilient? Speaker: 1076 00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:30,385 Leigh Steinberg: And those films all have that. Speaker: 1077 00:49:30,726 --> 00:49:35,495 Leigh Steinberg: They have aspiration, hope, reversals, Speaker: 1078 00:49:35,795 --> 00:49:39,485 Leigh Steinberg: tragedy, and then they come to a happy Speaker: 1079 00:49:39,585 --> 00:49:39,826 Leigh Steinberg: ending. Speaker: 1080 00:49:40,501 --> 00:49:42,589 Marc Preston: You know I thought about you when I was Speaker: 1081 00:49:42,649 --> 00:49:44,677 Marc Preston: watching just a little while back. Speaker: 1082 00:49:44,717 --> 00:49:46,463 Marc Preston: I think it was called Draft Day, kevin Speaker: 1083 00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:47,987 Marc Preston: Costner, I believe that's what it was Speaker: 1084 00:49:48,027 --> 00:49:48,288 Marc Preston: called. Speaker: 1085 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,504 Marc Preston: That seemed like I got fatigued just Speaker: 1086 00:49:51,544 --> 00:49:51,965 Marc Preston: watching it. Speaker: 1087 00:49:51,986 --> 00:49:53,750 Marc Preston: Going man, there are a lot of moving parts Speaker: 1088 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:54,432 Marc Preston: in this industry. Speaker: 1089 00:49:57,124 --> 00:50:01,552 Leigh Steinberg: I thought they did a good job getting the Speaker: 1090 00:50:02,133 --> 00:50:06,140 Leigh Steinberg: pre-draft conflict over who you would take Speaker: 1091 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,725 Leigh Steinberg: and how that would work and showing you how Speaker: 1092 00:50:08,846 --> 00:50:11,932 Leigh Steinberg: scouting introduced a player to a team and Speaker: 1093 00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:13,404 Leigh Steinberg: their assessment. Speaker: 1094 00:50:14,741 --> 00:50:17,007 Leigh Steinberg: And with all the means and dollars they Speaker: 1095 00:50:17,047 --> 00:50:20,395 Leigh Steinberg: spend, they still make in scouting. Speaker: 1096 00:50:20,435 --> 00:50:22,320 Leigh Steinberg: They still make major mistakes. Speaker: 1097 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,307 Leigh Steinberg: I can guarantee you that we just had an NFL Speaker: 1098 00:50:26,347 --> 00:50:26,668 Leigh Steinberg: Draft. Speaker: 1099 00:50:26,688 --> 00:50:30,681 Leigh Steinberg: We're about to have an NBA Draft and if you Speaker: 1100 00:50:30,761 --> 00:50:34,110 Leigh Steinberg: go out three or four years, a third to 40% Speaker: 1101 00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:36,738 Leigh Steinberg: of the first rounders will either Speaker: 1102 00:50:36,898 --> 00:50:39,006 Leigh Steinberg: underperform or not make it at all. Speaker: 1103 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,288 Leigh Steinberg: Now they can't all be bad draft picks, so Speaker: 1104 00:50:42,368 --> 00:50:43,612 Leigh Steinberg: it's a strange process. Speaker: 1105 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:50,354 Marc Preston: It reminds me of a film with Clint Eastwood. Speaker: 1106 00:50:50,394 --> 00:50:52,679 Marc Preston: He was kind of on the back end of his Speaker: 1107 00:50:52,739 --> 00:50:53,020 Marc Preston: career. Speaker: 1108 00:50:55,307 --> 00:50:57,473 Marc Preston: Guy could go out and he was a scout for a Speaker: 1109 00:50:57,554 --> 00:50:59,640 Marc Preston: professional baseball team and he went out Speaker: 1110 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,905 Marc Preston: and he could see things maybe. Speaker: 1111 00:51:02,202 --> 00:51:04,850 Leigh Steinberg: Oh, the baseball movie with his dog. Speaker: 1112 00:51:06,324 --> 00:51:07,226 Marc Preston: Yeah, yeah, that was a good one. Speaker: 1113 00:51:09,340 --> 00:51:11,385 Marc Preston: Now the next question I got for you if you Speaker: 1114 00:51:11,405 --> 00:51:13,571 Marc Preston: were to define, from the time you get up Speaker: 1115 00:51:13,651 --> 00:51:15,223 Marc Preston: until the evening when you go to sleep, Speaker: 1116 00:51:15,463 --> 00:51:18,089 Marc Preston: what are the component parts for you for a Speaker: 1117 00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:18,992 Marc Preston: perfect day? Speaker: 1118 00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:23,426 Leigh Steinberg: So I do these treatments hyperbaric oxygen Speaker: 1119 00:51:23,907 --> 00:51:28,013 Leigh Steinberg: and try to integrate light, stem and mat. Speaker: 1120 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,248 Leigh Steinberg: I have a Fitbit and I try to walk 15,000 Speaker: 1121 00:51:33,308 --> 00:51:37,503 Leigh Steinberg: steps a day, three or four times a week. Speaker: 1122 00:51:37,583 --> 00:51:39,308 Leigh Steinberg: I'll work out with the personal trainer. Speaker: 1123 00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:44,527 Leigh Steinberg: So it's come in the office, but we've had a Speaker: 1124 00:51:44,588 --> 00:51:46,571 Leigh Steinberg: particularly overcast summer. Speaker: 1125 00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,945 Leigh Steinberg: I love the beach, I love water. Speaker: 1126 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,012 Leigh Steinberg: My view here is well, I'll show you. Speaker: 1127 00:51:58,683 --> 00:52:03,740 Marc Preston: Oh, now you're just making me envious For Speaker: 1128 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,442 Marc Preston: those who are listening. Speaker: 1129 00:52:04,642 --> 00:52:06,146 Marc Preston: You're right on the bay there. Speaker: 1130 00:52:09,862 --> 00:52:10,484 Announcer: I will say this. Speaker: 1131 00:52:10,604 --> 00:52:12,089 Marc Preston: I can work from anywhere doing what I'm Speaker: 1132 00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:12,310 Marc Preston: doing. Speaker: 1133 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,006 Marc Preston: I sat down with my third child, Emma. Speaker: 1134 00:52:15,126 --> 00:52:17,071 Marc

Preston: She just graduated high school and she's Speaker: 1135 00:52:17,091 --> 00:52:19,486 Marc Preston: going to do a gap year and I was like where Speaker: 1136 00:52:19,526 --> 00:52:20,529 Marc Preston: do I really want to be? Speaker: 1137 00:52:21,201 --> 00:52:22,886 Marc Preston: Ultimately, I want to move back to Texas, Speaker: 1138 00:52:23,307 --> 00:52:24,149 Marc Preston: Southern California. Speaker: 1139 00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:27,046 Marc Preston: I decided there is a little island on the Speaker: 1140 00:52:27,086 --> 00:52:29,152 Marc Preston: south Texas coast called South Padre and I Speaker: 1141 00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:30,585 Marc Preston: was like I'm just going to plant myself Speaker: 1142 00:52:30,625 --> 00:52:30,866 Marc Preston: there. Speaker: 1143 00:52:33,267 --> 00:52:34,933 Marc Preston: I know I'm going to be more active and if Speaker: 1144 00:52:34,953 --> 00:52:36,800 Marc Preston: I'm next to the beach, if I'm next to water, Speaker: 1145 00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:37,905 Marc Preston: I'm going to be more active. Speaker: 1146 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,507 Marc Preston: I'm going to be outside more. Speaker: 1147 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,646 Marc Preston: So that's actually part of it. Speaker: 1148 00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:44,886 Marc Preston: I find that I feel healthier when I'm near Speaker: 1149 00:52:44,906 --> 00:52:45,307 Marc Preston: the water. Speaker: 1150 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,390 Leigh Steinberg: So I could live in a ramshackle hovel as Speaker: 1151 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:53,113 Leigh Steinberg: long as I had a view of the ocean. Speaker: 1152 00:52:53,193 --> 00:52:56,950 Leigh Steinberg: And when I lived more in the Bay Area, I Speaker: 1153 00:52:57,151 --> 00:52:59,239 Leigh Steinberg: looked out at the Golden Gate Bridge and it Speaker: 1154 00:52:59,279 --> 00:53:02,044 Leigh Steinberg: could be a shack, it could be a tent, but Speaker: 1155 00:53:02,084 --> 00:53:06,653 Leigh Steinberg: if I can look at water it makes everything Speaker: 1156 00:53:06,713 --> 00:53:06,893 Leigh Steinberg: go. Speaker: 1157 00:53:07,881 --> 00:53:10,887 Leigh Steinberg: And the other thing I'd add to so they have Speaker: 1158 00:53:10,947 --> 00:53:13,673 Leigh Steinberg: a day filled with talking to clients, Speaker: 1159 00:53:13,793 --> 00:53:18,370 Leigh Steinberg: talking to teams, talking to doing all Speaker: 1160 00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:19,332 Leigh Steinberg: those different things. Speaker: 1161 00:53:19,552 --> 00:53:23,321 Leigh Steinberg: But one of the things I love is to read, Speaker: 1162 00:53:24,042 --> 00:53:27,489 Leigh Steinberg: and I actually have a book club on Facebook Speaker: 1163 00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:29,193 Leigh Steinberg: that's got a bunch of members. Speaker: 1164

00:53:30,922 --> 00:53:32,044 Leigh Steinberg: But I always want to learn. Speaker: 1165 00:53:32,104 --> 00:53:34,809 Leigh Steinberg: I want to keep reading and learning and Speaker: 1166 00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:37,694 Leigh Steinberg: knowing about everything happening. Speaker: 1167 00:53:38,381 --> 00:53:40,687 Leigh Steinberg: It's part of how you get vision as to what Speaker: 1168 00:53:40,707 --> 00:53:42,051 Leigh Steinberg: the future is going to be. Speaker: 1169 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,423 Marc Preston: Well, the book club. Speaker: 1170 00:53:43,443 --> 00:53:44,748 Marc Preston: I know you've written a few books. Speaker: 1171 00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:47,186 Marc Preston: Are those in audiobook form as well? Speaker: 1172 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,776 Leigh Steinberg: Working with Integrity was my primer on the Speaker: 1173 00:53:52,856 --> 00:53:53,600 Leigh Steinberg: art of negotiating. Speaker: 1174 00:53:53,981 --> 00:53:55,766 Leigh Steinberg: It was the 12 essential rules in Speaker: 1175 00:53:55,806 --> 00:53:56,488 Leigh Steinberg: negotiating. Speaker: 1176 00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:00,225 Leigh Steinberg: Then, in 2014, I wrote one called the Agent, Speaker: 1177 00:54:00,325 --> 00:54:03,190 Leigh Steinberg: which is an autobiography, and I'm Speaker: 1178 00:54:03,250 --> 00:54:08,143 Leigh Steinberg: currently done the first draft of a third Speaker: 1179 00:54:08,223 --> 00:54:12,111 Leigh Steinberg: book which will take me from that point in Speaker: 1180 00:54:12,151 --> 00:54:15,463 Leigh Steinberg: 2014, and then sort of the rebuilding of a Speaker: 1181 00:54:15,523 --> 00:54:20,873 Leigh Steinberg: practice and my struggle with alcohol and a Speaker: 1182 00:54:20,913 --> 00:54:24,600 Leigh Steinberg: variety of and then life lessons. Speaker: 1183 00:54:26,084 --> 00:54:28,411 Leigh Steinberg: You know, there's things I've learned, and Speaker: 1184 00:54:28,672 --> 00:54:31,300 Leigh Steinberg: a lot of it's about resilience and coming Speaker: 1185 00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:34,709 Leigh Steinberg: back from adversity. Speaker: 1186 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,302 Marc Preston: Live long enough. Speaker: 1187 00:54:36,382 --> 00:54:38,328 Marc Preston: You really appreciate those aspects of life. Speaker: 1188 00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:41,049 Marc Preston: You realize it's you don't always, as you Speaker: 1189 00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:43,100 Marc Preston: know, probably better than most especially Speaker: 1190 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,966 Marc Preston: what, working in the industry you do, Speaker: 1191 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,427 Marc Preston: athletes are literally top of their literal, Speaker: 1192 00:54:47,708 --> 00:54:49,999 Marc Preston: figurative game in life, and then that's Speaker: 1193 00:54:50,039 -->

00:54:52,340 Marc Preston: only a snapshot of their entire life, you Speaker: 1194 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:52,521 Marc Preston: know. Speaker: 1195 00:54:52,581 --> 00:54:56,425 Marc Preston: And so what do they do after that's? Speaker: 1196 00:54:56,485 --> 00:54:58,462 Marc Preston: I will be purchasing that book, but I know Speaker: 1197 00:54:58,502 --> 00:54:59,507 Marc Preston: I can't really read, as reading puts me to Speaker: 1198 00:54:59,527 --> 00:55:00,411 Marc Preston: sleep because the time I do it it's at Speaker: 1199 00:55:00,431 --> 00:55:00,531 Marc Preston: night. Speaker: 1200 00:55:00,551 --> 00:55:01,435 Marc Preston: I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm Speaker: 1201 00:55:01,456 --> 00:55:02,239 Marc Preston: like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm Speaker: 1202 00:55:02,259 --> 00:55:02,400 Marc Preston: like. Speaker: 1203 00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:03,545 Marc Preston: Wake up with a book on my chest. Speaker: 1204 00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:06,109 Marc Preston: I've moved in the audio book category more, Speaker: 1205 00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:08,702 Marc Preston: and when I'm driving in my car I'm usually Speaker: 1206 00:55:08,742 --> 00:55:10,308 Marc Preston: listening to a book or a podcast. Speaker: 1207 00:55:12,182 --> 00:55:14,008 Marc Preston: But the last two questions is if you Speaker: 1208 00:55:14,028 --> 00:55:15,623 Marc Preston: weren't doing this, if this was not your Speaker: 1209 00:55:15,663 --> 00:55:18,145 Marc Preston: vocation and there was some kind of a Speaker: 1210 00:55:18,246 --> 00:55:19,865 Marc Preston: universe where you would not be working in Speaker: 1211 00:55:19,905 --> 00:55:21,483 Marc Preston: sports and entertainment, what would you be Speaker: 1212 00:55:21,543 --> 00:55:21,785 Marc Preston: doing? Speaker: 1213 00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:26,386 Leigh Steinberg: Well, I'd probably be a writer, I would you Speaker: 1214 00:55:26,406 --> 00:55:26,546 Leigh Steinberg: know. Speaker: 1215 00:55:26,566 --> 00:55:28,291 Leigh Steinberg: I might write for newspaper. Speaker: 1216 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,503 Leigh Steinberg: I might cover sports. Speaker: 1217 00:55:29,664 --> 00:55:31,108 Leigh Steinberg: I might write politics. Speaker: 1218 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,548 Leigh Steinberg: I've done a couple radio shows as the host Speaker: 1219 00:55:36,889 --> 00:55:38,953 Leigh Steinberg: and podcast as the host. Speaker: 1220 00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:44,328 Leigh Steinberg: Probably trying to push back climate change Speaker: 1221 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,686 Leigh Steinberg: would be my top goal. Speaker: 1222 00:55:47,381 --> 00:55:49,280 Marc Preston: The last question I've got for you. Speaker: 1223 00:55:49,562 --> 00:55:52,527 Marc Preston: If we were to get that DeLorean like from Speaker: 1224 00:55:52,567 --> 00:55:54,184 Marc Preston: Back to the Future and you're going to go Speaker: 1225 00:55:54,204 --> 00:55:56,225 Marc Preston: back in time you had a couple of minutes Speaker: 1226 00:55:56,265 --> 00:55:57,529 Marc Preston: with you as a 16-year-old. Speaker: 1227 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,768 Marc Preston: What piece of advice would you pass along, Speaker: 1228 00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,310 Marc Preston: either to make your path or that moment in Speaker: 1229 00:56:03,330 --> 00:56:05,365 Marc Preston: your life somehow better, or maybe put you Speaker: 1230 00:56:05,385 --> 00:56:07,390 Marc Preston: on a different track, a little bit Speaker: 1231 00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:07,871 Marc Preston: different track? Speaker: 1232 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,127 Marc Preston: What would your advice be to 16-year-old Speaker: 1233 00:56:10,489 --> 00:56:10,629 Marc Preston: you? Speaker: 1234 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:17,343 Leigh Steinberg: Since I struggled with alcohol and I'm now Speaker: 1235 00:56:17,443 --> 00:56:20,284 Leigh Steinberg: 13 years sober, I think I would tell that Speaker: 1236 00:56:20,344 --> 00:56:22,945 Leigh Steinberg: young person that you can handle any Speaker: 1237 00:56:23,106 --> 00:56:27,728 Leigh Steinberg: problem in life death, sickness, challenge Speaker: 1238 00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:31,747 Leigh Steinberg: and you don't need to try to mask the pain Speaker: 1239 00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:35,845 Leigh Steinberg: with substances and to be careful, because Speaker: 1240 00:56:36,547 --> 00:56:37,971 Leigh Steinberg: I didn't drink my whole life. Speaker: 1241 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:43,153 Leigh Steinberg: It came later in life and you have to. Speaker: 1242 00:56:43,314 --> 00:56:44,762 Leigh Steinberg: You don't have to have a genetic Speaker: 1243 00:56:44,822 --> 00:56:48,211 Leigh Steinberg: predisposition towards substance abuse. Speaker: 1244 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:54,721 Leigh Steinberg: You can just get there by not dealing with Speaker: 1245 00:56:54,741 --> 00:56:55,845 Leigh Steinberg: problems frontally. Speaker: 1246 00:56:56,086 --> 00:56:56,949 Marc Preston: When your book comes out. Speaker: 1247 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,848 Marc Preston: I think that'll be very informative to a Speaker: 1248 00:56:59,908 --> 00:57:00,510 Marc Preston: lot of folks. Speaker: 1249 00:57:01,402 --> 00:57:02,680 Marc Preston: But again, I really want to thank you. Speaker: 1250 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,723 Marc Preston: I know you are obviously very active and Speaker: 1251 00:57:05,743 --> 00:57:07,200 Marc Preston: taking this time out with me means a lot, Speaker: 1252 00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,946 Marc Preston: and I do appreciate it, without a doubt. Speaker: 1253

00:57:09,247 --> 00:57:10,050 Leigh Steinberg: My pleasure. Speaker: 1254 00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:10,863 Marc Preston: Thank you so much. Speaker: 1255 00:57:10,884 --> 00:57:11,546 Marc Preston: You take care now. Speaker: 1256 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,006 Leigh Steinberg: Okay, Marc, take it easy. Speaker: 1257 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,588 Marc Preston: All right, there you go, lee Steinberg. Speaker: 1258 00:57:18,301 --> 00:57:19,866 Marc Preston: Enjoy this chat so much. Speaker: 1259 00:57:20,901 --> 00:57:22,427 Marc Preston: It's really cool to speak to an actual Speaker: 1260 00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:26,650 Marc Preston: bonafide legend and master practitioner in Speaker: 1261 00:57:26,851 --> 00:57:29,365 Marc Preston: any industry, and Lee Steinberg is, when it Speaker: 1262 00:57:29,405 --> 00:57:32,584 Marc Preston: comes to sports agenting is the guy. Speaker: 1263 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,348 Marc Preston: He is just a great guy with a cool Speaker: 1264 00:57:36,388 --> 00:57:39,144 Marc Preston: philanthropic attitude and just so talented Speaker: 1265 00:57:39,405 --> 00:57:41,150 Marc Preston: and inspirational cool guy. Speaker: 1266 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,866 Marc Preston: And again, like I said at the beginning of Speaker: 1267 00:57:42,886 --> 00:57:46,068 Marc Preston: the show, I am so happy to be back with you. Speaker: 1268 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,161 Marc Preston: It's been a long time and I know it has and Speaker: 1269 00:57:50,241 --> 00:57:53,464 Marc Preston: I've got some great guests, some folks who Speaker: 1270 00:57:54,046 --> 00:57:55,502 Marc Preston: you know and know well, got some great Speaker: 1271 00:57:55,542 --> 00:57:57,008 Marc Preston: movies and TV shows coming out. Speaker: 1272 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,064 Marc Preston: They're gonna check in with us. Speaker: 1273 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,386 Marc Preston: That's coming up shortly and, if all goes Speaker: 1274 00:58:02,446 --> 00:58:04,805 Marc Preston: to plan, we should be coming out with two Speaker: 1275 00:58:04,865 --> 00:58:06,804 Marc Preston: episodes per week going forward. Speaker: 1276 00:58:07,361 --> 00:58:10,309 Marc Preston: So if you have missed Story and Craft, Speaker: 1277 00:58:10,429 --> 00:58:13,993 Marc Preston: don't worry, I will keep your podcast app Speaker: 1278 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,487 Marc Preston: plenty full with great conversations. Speaker: 1279 00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:18,225 Marc Preston: So that's it for today. Speaker: 1280 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,169 Marc Preston: Don't forget Storyandcraftpod.com. Speaker: 1281 00:58:22,001 --> 00:58:26,191 Marc Preston: Once again, storyandcraftpod.com. Speaker: 1282 00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:28,988 Marc Preston: That's how you find out where to find the

Speaker: 1283 00:58:29,048 --> 00:58:31,887 Marc Preston: show on social media, as well as how to Speaker: 1284 00:58:31,947 --> 00:58:33,841 Marc Preston: send me a message, send me a note, let me Speaker: 1285 00:58:33,881 --> 00:58:35,923 Marc Preston: know what's going on, let me know what Speaker: 1286 00:58:36,023 --> 00:58:38,350 Marc Preston: episode is your favorite. Speaker: 1287 00:58:39,161 --> 00:58:41,368 Marc Preston: And you know, I'm gonna go grab myself a Speaker: 1288 00:58:41,408 --> 00:58:42,884 Marc Preston: bite to eat, as you know, at the end of the Speaker: 1289 00:58:42,924 --> 00:58:44,128 Marc Preston: show I'm always hungry. Speaker: 1290 00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:45,706 Marc Preston: That's just the way it is. Speaker: 1291 00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,706 Marc Preston: So I'm gonna run, you go have a great rest Speaker: 1292 00:58:48,746 --> 00:58:50,202 Marc Preston: of your week or weekend or whenever you're Speaker: 1293 00:58:50,222 --> 00:58:51,945 Marc Preston: listening, and come on back. Speaker: 1294 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,247 Marc Preston: We'll be back with another episode shortly, Speaker: 1295 00:58:55,001 --> 00:58:57,127 Marc Preston: right here on Story and Craft. Speaker: 1296 00:58:57,208 --> 00:58:57,629 Marc Preston: See you soon. Speaker: 1297 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,188 Announcer: That's it for this episode of Story and Speaker: 1298 00:59:00,228 --> 00:59:00,549 Announcer: Craft. Speaker: 1299 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,149 Announcer: Join Marc next week for more conversation Speaker: 1300 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,087 Announcer: Right here on Story and Craft. Speaker: 1301 00:59:05,620 --> 00:59:08,021 Announcer: Story and Craft is a presentation of Marc Speaker: 1302 00:59:08,062 --> 00:59:09,065 Announcer: Preston Productions LLC. Speaker: 1303 00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:12,688 Announcer: Executive producer is Marc Preston. Speaker: 1304 00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:15,488 Announcer: Associate producer is Zachary Holden. Speaker: 1305 00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:18,307 Announcer: Please rate and review Story and Craft on Speaker: 1306 00:59:18,447 --> 00:59:19,330 Announcer: Apple podcasts. Speaker: 1307 00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:21,627 Announcer: Don't forget to subscribe to the show on Speaker: 1308 00:59:21,747 --> 00:59:24,465 Announcer: Apple podcasts, spotify or your favorite Speaker: 1309 00:59:24,486 --> 00:59:25,268 Announcer: podcast app. Speaker: 1310 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,168 Announcer: You can subscribe to show updates and stay Speaker: 1311 00:59:28,188 --> 00:59:28,589 Announcer: in the know. Speaker: 1312 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,962 Announcer: Just head to storyandcraftpod.com and sign Speaker: 1313 00:59:32,022 --> 00:59:32,865 Announcer: up for the newsletter. Speaker: 1314 00:59:33,580 --> 00:59:34,284 Announcer: I'm Emma Dylan. Speaker: 1315 00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:36,884 Announcer: See you next time and remember, keep Speaker: 1316 00:59:36,944 --> 00:59:38,108 Announcer: telling your story.