התמלול המלא של Episode 13: Shutter Island

is 67? 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:43.439 Okay. 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.399 Law of four in the movie. 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:52.160 You have Teddy Daniels, you have Andrew Latis, you have his wife Dolores. 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:57.920 I can't remember what her maiden last name is, and then you have Rachel Solando, right? 00:05:58.160 --> 00:05:58.480 Yeah. 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:05.040 The law of four is that all four of those names are an anagram. 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.959 So, like Andrew Latis is his real name, right? 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.000 But he goes by Teddy Daniels. 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:14.879 Those two names can be interchangeable. 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:20.560 Like you rearrange the letters around, Teddy Daniels is Andrew Latis, which we know that. 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:30.319 Rachel Solondo and Dolores with her maiden name, which was his wife, are also an anagram. 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.399 So that's what the law of four is. 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:40.079 And then, of course, we find out that 67, he is the 67th patient that he is trying to find. 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:42.800 As Teddy, he's looking for Andrew Latis. 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:44.639 Well, he's looking for himself. 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:50.480 So that part, I immediately was like, I gotta find out what that means. 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:59.680 And the law of four is the anagram for the four names, which are the names of him and his wife and their alters, which I thought was really cool. 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:21.439 Yeah, and like when you're really kind of analyzing what um is even being talked about, especially when they're going through like certain therapies, and the therapy that um Andrew Latis is going through is like the most severe type of like exposure therapy kind of situation. 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:34.399 And it in my opinion, when we get closer to the end of this conversation, we'll kind of disclose um a little bit on our thoughts on what happened there at the end. 00:07:34.800 --> 00:08:04.800 Um, but there's almost certain points where he is lucid, and he even has uh very vivid flashbacks of things that he has seen, and so there's there's obviously trauma there as we go into why he is the 67th patient and what he did, and they even had said multiple times throughout the film, you know, this is the most dangerous patient. 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:15.920 And another kind of quick Easter egg, if you're watching the movie, when they step off the ferry, the guards are all super tense. 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:26.079 Yes, they have their guns out, they're ready to go, and he even acknowledges like why your boy is so tense or ready to go, or whatever he said specifically. 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.800 And it's because he is dangerous, the dangerous one. 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.519 Well, I also want to point out another anagram. 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:47.840 I don't know if you remember me talking about this, but the title of the movie itself, Shutter Island, is an anagram for truths and lies and truths slash denials. 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:54.720 That's what the the movie is, Shutter Island, which blew my mind. 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:56.799 Thought it was absolutely insane. 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:21.600 Yeah, it changes the the overall kind of almost look or the aesthetic of the film itself when you kind of really understand that what you're watching is somebody going through therapy, you're not actually watching somebody getting taken away from their normal life and being thrown in this situation and being told that they were crazy just to make things go away. 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:36.559 And lobotomies were a big thing back then, and a lot of doctors were practicing them not knowing the real ramifications of the outcome of most, if not all, of their patients. 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:42.960 Which is why they stopped them what in like the 60s, I think is what we found out 60s, 70s, something like that. 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.679 Yeah, like some somewhere around in there. 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:52.159 Well, another thing that you had pointed out, and this is I thought was this is another Easter egg. 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:53.120 There's actually two. 00:09:53.519 --> 00:10:05.840 This is another thing that I always thought contributed to his almost psychosis-like state was him borrowing cigarettes from people. 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:13.440 But and you were you were even like, look, he's obviously borrowing cigarettes because he can't have his own, because he's a patient. 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.000 Yeah, like why would you hop on this ferry knowing you're gonna go investigate this place? 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.360 If you smoke and not have a pack of cigarettes, and not bring a pack of smokes with you. 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:26.000 Because he can't, because he's a patient, can't have his own cigarettes. 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:47.440 But another thing that you also pointed out with your beautiful brown eyes is that Chuck, which is played by Mark Ruffalo, um, whenever they ask to give up their guns because they can't have their firearms on the island, he has a hard time getting his off of the holster. 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.320 And he's supposed to be a trained marshal. 00:10:50.639 --> 00:11:03.919 Yeah, and when uh uh Teddy finally gives his up, he immediately as quickly as it would be just to pull a pin out of your pocket, just blah bam, there it goes. 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:05.840 And yeah, he struggled with it. 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:12.639 Well, and like Teddy was a US Marshal and he was in the military, whereas Chuck was just a psychiatrist, so of course he's not gonna know how to handle a gun. 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:13.120 Yeah. 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:13.679 Right? 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:45.440 So you also notice that Teddy wears the same tie throughout the entire movie, and then you come to find out his wife gave him that tie, even though he hates the tie because it it's kind

of it's very sweet, but also if you look at it from a psychological perspective, he wears the tie because his wife gave it to him, but it's also almost like showing that he refuses to accept what actually happened, and he refuses to move on. 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.279 That's why he's still wearing the tie. 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:56.960 And for those who have not seen Shutter Island, spoiler alert, for those who haven't seen the movie, it's over a decade old, so we're about to just we're gonna lay it down for you. 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:57.440 Okay. 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:10.399 Um, Teddy comes home, or Andrew comes home from work, and his wife, played by Michelle Williams, which not the not the tennis player, Michelle Williams, obviously. 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:17.440 He comes home, it's very quiet, and his wife is just sitting on their porch swing out in the backyard. 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:23.519 And he starts talking to her, she's all wet, and he starts asking where the kids are. 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:30.240 Well, it's very clear that his wife had some sort of we'll call it a mental health crisis. 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:38.000 Okay, she drowned their children in their pond behind the house, and then he shoots her because of that. 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:50.080 So that is what landed him in Ashcliffe was the trauma from that, but he also had pre-existing trauma from being in World War II and fighting the Nazis. 00:12:50.559 --> 00:13:13.759 So you can definitely tell, and like the entire movie, the whole point of this movie is to not only to find this missing patient, but he's also looking for the man who supposedly set their apartment or their house on fire and killed his wife because he cannot accept the reality of what happened. 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:24.080 And that's the whole point of this of the movie is they are trying to play out his little scenario to see if it brings him back to reality. 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:34.080 Yeah, and he he blamed the maintenance guy as to why their apartment set on fire when in reality she set it on fire to unalive herself. 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:42.000 And that was red flag number one, that something drastic was was going to happen at some point. 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:47.200 Um, it was not very clear on if there were kids involved at that point in time. 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:48.559 I do not think so. 00:13:49.360 --> 00:14:08.720 But when he's already trying to disassociate, even in that state, he was already on the verge of of slipping and then dragging his three kids out of the lagoon in their backyard. 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.519 He and he even like lays them out like he would if they were soldiers. 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:29.679 And which I want to also point out when they're talking about Rachel Solando, they talk about how her husband um died in combat and her children died. 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:30.960 Right? 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:41.039 I think I mean Teddy So at this point we know after watching the movie, we know Rachel Solondo is not a real person. 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.440 She is the anagram for his wife. 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:52.399 And he technically, I guess you if you really wanted to spin it this way, you could say that he did die in combat. 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:53.919 Part of him did. 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.960 The old Teddy did, the old Andrew did. 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:02.960 Before he came, you know, before he went, he was a completely different person than he came back. 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:16.320 And I mean, even throughout the entire movie, you see awful flashbacks of him just walking through the concentration camps and him, you know, shooting German soldiers and just terrible, terrible things. 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:25.440 But he's also what you think he's seeing is a Jewish girl who is saying, You could have helped me. 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.120 You could have stopped it, but in reality you're seeing his daughter. 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:30.000 Yeah. 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.039 Which terrible, terrible, terrible. 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:45.279 Um another thing that I noticed in the movie differently this time than the first several times we've watched it. 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.039 You know, he obviously is ill. 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:57.840 He's seasick, and then throughout the whole movie he's getting migraines, you know, he's sweating really bad, he's agitated, they keep giving him an aspirin. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.159 Here's an aspirin, here's an aspirin. 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:06.879 And I'm like, they're giving this man psych meds without him knowing when I first watched this a few times. 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:13.679 But come to find out, they're giving him an aspirin because he's experiencing withdrawal symptoms. 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:15.039 Yeah. 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:23.840 Because in order to play out his whole fantasy, we'll call it, they have to take him off his psych meds. 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:30.399 Yeah, he has to be able to go full-blown psychosis to be able to work through that. 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:32.320 They needed to get it out somehow. 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:42.240 Like, there's even one part of the movie I never caught this before, and I'm not sure how I didn't, but he's interviewing people trying to find out who knows Rachel Solando. 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.639 And there's an older woman that he interviews. 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:48.799 I can't remember what her name is. 00:16:49.039 --> 00:17:02.720 Um, but she asks for a glass of water, and you see someone physically give her a glass of water, but then whenever she goes to take a drink, there's nothing in her hand. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.920 And I'm like, oh, that's bad filming. 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:07.519 That was done intentionally. 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:12.240 Yeah, because you even see her put the glass down and it's empty. 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:13.119 Yeah. 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:18.720 So

that is gonna be my segue into one of the themes of the movie. 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:19.680 There are two themes. 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:24.400 Two big ones water and fire. 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:32.480 So in the beginning, whenever Taddy and Tuck are on the boat, and he is violently throwing up we think is seasickness. 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:35.839 He has an aversion to water. 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:40.160 That's why the entire time it's storming like crazy. 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:44.079 He wakes up with the the roof leaking. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:50.880 Um, anytime he uh you know sees his wife, she's wet and he's wondering why she's wet. 00:17:52.960 --> 00:18:03.680 The glass of water where he doesn't actually see her drink the water, all of these are because he has an aversion to water because that is where his trauma stems from. 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.960 Is because his children were drowned. 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:28.079 And then you notice on the opposite side another theme of fire, where when he's with his wife, even in their burning apartment building in one of his dreams, he's calm, he's happy, he feels comfortable because of the fire. 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:36.480 Um because the fire brings him some sort of warmth, control, it's the opposite of water. 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:42.559 Like that, you know, you even could bring in he feels calm whenever he lights a cigarette. 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:48.960 Or they light a match, or he has those dreams with his wife, you know. 00:18:49.519 --> 00:19:00.640 And then any time that there's water involved, he's anxious, he's scared, he's irritable, he has an aversion, and those two things are important. 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:05.599 Like you would not catch that normally unless you're really looking into it. 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.920 But it's there, like everything that's in this movie is put there for a reason. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.759 And it's I think it's a masterpiece. 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:33.680 I think it's amazing because it's like you think these small things that are in the movie don't matter, but every single tiny little detail down to how it looks, how Ashcliffe looks when you get there, and how it looks when he leaves, completely different. 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:53.119 Yeah, because everything was being exacerbated by his psychosis, and like even like with this storm, just a when you get to the end of the film and he's looking outside, it's clear skies, the grounds are beautiful, it's very well kept. 00:19:53.440 --> 00:20:01.039 And when he got there, it looked like so a little quick sidebar. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:52.720 When I watched this film, there there was a video game that I played back in the day called The Suffering, and you play a patient in an asylum trying to get back to your wife and your kid, and it w it kind of for some reason makes me think of that, and it's like this run-down place where the you know the roof is leaking, and it doesn't look it is always just gloomy until the end where everything's beautiful and it's like it's you know, fire is also cleansing, and he needed to I think he needed to hold on to that to help him let go of certain things because in my opinion, when you get to the end of this film, Teddy Daniels is gone. 00:20:52.880 --> 00:21:06.799 Yeah, and who we're seeing is Andrew Leidis, and I think the therapy worked for him, it just couldn't fix the way he felt. 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:07.440 Yeah. 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:16.079 So at the very end, you're pretty upset because you're like, awesome, he made a breakthrough, they're not gonna lobotomize him, he's doing great. 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.079 And then he's he calls a psychiatrist Chuck. 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:27.759 But there is a specific line that he says, and that kind of makes you think, right? 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:35.119 He's like, I would rather something I would rather die as a good man than live as a bad one. 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.119 Something along those lines. 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:46.160 And at the very end of the movie, he is absolutely lucid. 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:56.000 He knows what's going on, he knows everything is a delusion, he knows that he's a patient in a mental hospital, he knows he's not a U.S. 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.519 marshal anymore, he knows he killed his wife, he knows his wife killed his kids. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.359 He knows all of this. 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:26.079 But because that became a reality for him, a true reality, even though he knew what the outcome would be if he did not remember and he didn't stay elucid, he chooses to revert so that he can get lobotomized, so that he can not remember his trauma. 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:35.279 You can even see Chuck whenever he says the line about, you know, I'd rather die a good man than to live as a bad one. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.039 Chuck looks at him as he's walking away, like, wait, what the hell? 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:39.759 What's going on? 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:40.319 Wait a minute. 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:41.519 Does he is he lucid? 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:46.640 Like the look on his face, you can tell that the psychiatrist is like, oh shit, what's happening? 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:48.480 But he can't do anything about it. 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:58.880 Yeah, and like you can it's even more like apparent what's going on when he just willingly walks away with them. 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:06.079 Knows exactly he's even walking in front of them, leading where they're going. 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:14.960 And yeah, I think he accepted what was going on and knew this was going to be the the way to get out of it. 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.279 So that being said, let's let's talk about Andrew for a second. 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.039 What's going on with Andrew? 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:24.400 Is he psychotic? 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:26.319 Does he have a personality disorder? 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:27.680 Is he

bipolar? 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:29.039 Is he depressed? 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:31.599 Any of these things could be the case. 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:41.279 Um however, I this is probably the easiest and strongest case of PTSD. 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.480 Easiest case of PTSD I've ever seen. 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:44.960 Okay. 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:55.039 Um, which he already had a PTSD before his wife did what she did because of the war. 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.000 You see that, like we've talked about. 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:11.440 Now some people might ask, okay, well then how do you you know how do you explain his delusions or what could be considered psychosis? 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.200 How do you explain that? 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:15.200 Dissociation. 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.119 Dissociation is a big part of PTSD. 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:32.559 So according to the DSM post-traumatic stress disorder, um, there's a lot that goes into diagnosing PTSD. 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:38.640 Like people throw the word PTA or the the word PTSD around all the time. 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:45.279 It's like people throw the word bipolar around, oh I'm so bipolar, or oh, I'm OCD, or oh, I've got PTSD. 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:56.960 To actually have true diagnosed post-traumatic stress disorder, you have to meet several different criteria. 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:06.480 Are you interested to hear the exact criteria that you need to meet PTSD diagnosis according to the DSM? 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:12.480 I am absolutely ready, and to be quite honest with you, some of these might sound familiar to me. 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:13.519 I'm sure they will. 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:14.960 They sound familiar to me as well. 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:15.440 Okay. 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:23.759 So applies to adults, adolescents, and children older than six years. 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.440 So there are technically. 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:39.279 So the way that the DSM does it, if anybody's never seen the DSM, it's it's almost like you're going back to elementary school days where you have an it's an outline form, right? 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:49.839 So you know the very first one you do is a capital A, and then you write that, and then you have one through three or whatever to kind of subcategorize that. 00:25:50.480 --> 00:26:00.400 So category A, exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence in one or more of the following ways. 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.799 Directly experiencing the traumatic event. 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:15.920 So he hits that one, but also you have to witness, you can learn that a traumatic event happened to someone that you love, um, experiencing repeated or extreme exposure to traumas, any of those things. 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:17.839 Honestly, he has all of those things. 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:19.039 You need one. 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:24.880 So, category B, presence of one or more of the following intrusion symptoms. 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:41.039 So, this is um things like you know, recurrent nightmares or distressing memories, recurrent dreams in which the content and/or affect of the dream are related to the traumatic event, dissociative reactions. 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:57.599 So this would be flashbacks, um, you know, reactions may occur on like a continuum with most extreme expression being a complete loss of awareness and um, or like of present surroundings. 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:02.160 So I think he hits he hits honestly all of those as well. 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:08.400 But for him, I think he has the nightmares, we see that, but he also has flashbacks. 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:19.759 Walking through the asylum, he has flashbacks, and he has the dissociation, which is his, I think his dissociation comes out as delusion. 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:37.200 So when they refer to, oh, it's just a delusion, it's a delusion, it's a delusion, I don't think it's a true delusion like you would see in somebody who has delusional disorder or another another psychotic disorder. 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:42.079 But you gotta think too, this is the 1950s. 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:48.400 If someone, most people back then, they classified as just schizophrenic or crazy. 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:54.000 Because it's all they knew, because they didn't have the they didn't have the knowledge to dig deeper. 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:54.960 Right? 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:55.680 Yeah. 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.039 So he already hits both of those criteria. 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:10.319 So this is also includes um intense or prolonged psychological distress and physiological reactions, which he has those as well. 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.880 So far, he hitting them all. 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.279 Then you have category C, which is um avoidance. 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:31.920 So you either have to avoid, like some people use alcohol or drugs to avoid distressing memories or triggers, or some people avoid external reminders. 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:40.480 They won't go to certain streets, they won't go to certain parts of town because they avoid where their trauma came from. 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:43.279 So one of those has to be present. 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.440 And he, I don't know if you caught this, he's an alcoholic. 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.319 Yep, he's a recovering alcoholic. 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:57.759 So I think for him, in the beginning, before he's in the asylum, that was his avoidance criteria. 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.960 But now I think his avoidance also kind of goes into the dissociation. 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.680 I think those two things are both working for him. 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:14.640 Then you have the negative alterations in cognition and mood. 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:21.359 So this would be the inability to remember certain aspects of the event. 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:27.359 Um, exaggerated negative beliefs or expectations about others or

oneself. 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:34.240 No one can be trusted, the world's bad, you know, I am bad, things like that. 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:44.720 Persistent distorted cognitions about the cause or consequences of the traumatic event that lead to the individual that blame themselves or others. 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.839 So this one he struggles with very badly. 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:54.480 He's got that distorted cognition of everybody, it's everybody else's at fault because he will not take responsibility. 00:29:54.640 --> 00:30:03.279 That's why he creates Teddy Daniels, because he refuses to believe that, oh, I'm Andrew Latis and I'm responsible for what happened, right? 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:14.160 Diminished interest or participation in significant activities, feelings of detachment or estrangement from others, persistent inability to experience positive emotions. 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.400 So this is someone who just can't be happy no matter what they do. 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.960 Um, they just have kind of that negative mood. 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.759 You have to hit at least two of those. 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:24.640 And he did. 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.240 He's hit two of those. 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:33.359 Marked all this is um E category, marked alterations and arousal and reactivity associated with the traumatic events. 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:39.279 So this would be the um anything that causes a physical reaction. 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:44.240 So irritable behavior or like anger outbursts, this is where that would fall into that category. 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.720 Reckless or self-destructive behavior, hypervigilance. 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:55.519 So that's like walking on eggshells, looking at every corner, you know, you're very jumpy. 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.359 Feel like people are watching you. 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:06.640 That's why a lot of times people who are paranoid, you have to, especially they've experienced trauma. 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.680 Sometimes their paranoia is not a delusion. 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.799 Sometimes their paranoia is hypervigilance. 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:20.559 So, um, problems with, you know, concentration, sleep disturbances. 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.119 He obviously has a difficult time sleeping. 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:28.799 Duration of the criteria or the the disturbance is more than one month. 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.359 The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment. 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.200 This is going to be in every single diagnosis in the DSM. 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.880 This disturbance causes clinically significant distress. 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:46.319 Because fun fact, let's say that he hits all of these things. 00:31:46.640 --> 00:32:11.519 But if he just says, you know, I have occasional nightmares, I have anger out burst, but it doesn't affect me at work, it doesn't affect me at home, I really live a mostly normal life, other than that, if there's no clinically, you know, I guess the way I'm trying to say this is if there is really no impairment, major impairment in his life, you can't diagnose it. 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:24.160 So if someone has criteria for schizophrenia, let's say they hear voices and they, you know, they have delusions, but it's not really affecting their everyday life. 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.240 I mean, you can't technically diagnose it. 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:30.880 But he obviously it does affect him. 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:37.279 And then the disturbance is not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance. 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.759 So that would be drugs, alcohol, things like that. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:47.200 Um, however, you can some diagnoses have what's called a specifier. 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:59.759 So this one, if I were to put a diagnosis on Andrew Latis, Teddy Daniels, I would say he has PTSD with dissociative symptoms. 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.119 So that with dissociative symptoms is a specifier. 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:10.559 Not everybody has a specifier, but some of the other options are like with delayed expression. 00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:20.079 They used to call it complex PTSD if you had like multiple events throughout your life, but they don't call it that anymore. 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.400 Complex PTSD no longer exists. 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:38.720 So with him, the difficult thing I find with PTSD is that automatically, if someone is seeing things, hearing things, has some paranoia, people are like, oh, they're schizophrenic. 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:48.640 Because technically in the DSM, it doesn't say anything about psychosis, like the word psychosis associated with PTSD. 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:53.839 But it's like I've talked about before, any other therapist will die on this hill with me. 00:33:54.160 --> 00:34:00.079 I absolutely believe you can have psychotic symptoms with post-traumatic stress disorder. 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:06.880 100% because it's not true psychosis. 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:17.519 I think it would fit more into the category of, you know, dissociation or nightmares or flashbacks, things like that. 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:35.280 So he 100% I think just with him seeing what he saw in the concentration camps, and then his wife doing what she did, and him having to kill his wife, this man was severely traumatized. 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.559 And this was his way of pushing it back. 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:47.119 Yeah, and in and it he was almost a victim of of time as well. 00:34:47.280 --> 00:35:01.599 Like in they didn't have the knowledge that we do now, and that knowledge still continues to grow and change and evolve as we start to learn how things are wired a certain way or working this direction. 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:09.679 Well, another thing too is it wasn't always called PTSD. 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:19.360 It used to be called shell shock syndrome because it

used to be just associated with veterans. 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:26.480 So what they used to think is people only veterans could be traumatized, basically, was the mindset. 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:36.079 It did not used to include physical abuse, sexual abuse, car accident, watching someone die, it didn't used to include those things. 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:48.000 Because back again, back whenever they didn't have the knowledge that they have now, they thought only veterans could have significant trauma. 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.840 So if someone was sexually assaulted, they can't have trauma from that. 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.239 If someone's beat by their husband or beat by their wife, they can't have trauma from that. 00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:59.199 They're not a vet. 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.280 So it used to be called shell shock syndrome. 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.519 Until they realize, like, oh no, other people can have trauma as well. 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:09.199 Yeah. 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:21.360 Shell shock officially became PTSD in 1980 when the APA or the American Psychiatric Association, who wrote the DSM, added it to the third edition. 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:33.440 So right now, just to put that into perspective, we are on the DSM, the Diagnostic Statistical Manual 5 TR. 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:35.519 That's what we're on right now. 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:40.320 This came out, so PTSD came out in the DSM 3. 00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:46.239 And the DSM 5 came out in 2013. 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:53.519 And then the DSM 5 TR, which is just basically they just added and changed some verbiage. 00:36:53.599 --> 00:37:00.000 It wasn't enough to do a full like DSM 6, but it they did change a little bit to the DSM 5. 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.480 That came out in 2022. 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:04.559 It's 2026. 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:14.400 Just if you really think about it, PTSD has really only existed, and I'm saying existed with quotation hands 46 years ago. 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.199 Prior to that, shell shock. 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:18.159 Crazy. 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:32.320 So if you really think about it, if this was a true story, they probably, if I was a psychiatrist working with Teddy Daniels, I probably would think he was psychotic because PTSD was not a thing in 1954. 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:38.800 Yeah, because it I mean you wouldn't study it as such because it wasn't taught in textbooks at that time. 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:40.800 I mean, it goes back to the witch trials. 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:46.079 You know, you think, oh, these women are a witch, but in reality, they probably have some mental health issues. 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:51.280 Or like now it's like, oh, this guy's psychotic, or this guy, you know, let's abotomize him because he needs help. 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:55.840 Like, okay, well, he probably just needed some therapy to process his trauma. 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:56.719 Yeah. 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:10.320 And

you know, at one point they were almost handing out lobotomies, like they were handing out a prescription, and it became a normal practice for a little blink in history and what a horrific history that is. 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:18.239 Yeah, I mean, it it was like the, you know, if Oprah Winfrey was alive back then, you get a lobotomy, you get a lobotomy, everyone gets a lobotomy. 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:18.800 Yeah. 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:24.159 But I think it went from like burning witches at the stake to then it went to lobotomies. 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:35.920 Like that's like the extreme, just one thing I will say, and this is what I tell my clients all the time: the only cure for PTSD is therapy. 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:50.000 You can take all the medication in the world to help with your mood because a lot of times if you have PTSD, they will prescribe you an antidepressant or they'll prescribe you an anxiolytic, which in layman's terms is an anti-anxiety medication. 00:38:50.239 --> 00:39:02.320 Um, so they'll prescribe Xanax, they'll prescribe hydroxazine, Zoloft, Prozac, all of the mood medications to help with the symptoms of PTSD. 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:09.599 But until you get to the root of it, which is the trauma itself, and you actually process that, you will never get better. 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.440 And I will die on that hill. 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:19.760 Like, it's because it's trauma basically alters your brain. 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.800 Like, I think it was like one of our first couple episodes. 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:32.320 I actually posted on our Instagram a picture of a brain scan of like a normal brain versus a traumatized brain and how they actually light up differently. 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:37.119 So if you're interested in that just to see what I'm talking about, you can check it out on our Instagram. 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:47.280 But yeah, basically comes down to Andrew is severely traumatized, and he is disso he dissociates because of that. 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:54.480 And then in the end, he chooses a lobotomy so that he can forget because he does not want to face reality. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:23.840 Yeah, which I mean, even no matter which way you spin it, it still ends up being kind of a sad story, and just witnessing the way that this gentleman experienced his psychosis and being able to be able to see it as he saw it was kind of a rare experience into what some of these people may or may not be experiencing when they are having symptoms like this. 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:38.159 And even kind of understanding that it is supposed to be just this scary movie, well, um it's also Martin Scorsese, and it's not just something that's supposed to spook you, it's supposed to make you think as well. 00:40:38.800 --> 00:41:14.159 And it's also kind of refreshing when you look at it from that perspective as well, knowing that these medical doctors that seem to be these quacks throughout most of the film are actually legitimately there to protect him and just want him to get better and kind of makes you feel not against the societal norm of being afraid to go seek help when and you should never be afraid to ask for help in any aspect, especially when it comes to your mental or physical health. 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:15.360 Yeah. 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:28.639 I do want to say Dolores, his wife, obviously has severe bipolar disorder, and she killed her children out of psychosis during a manic episode. 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.920 That is what extreme bipolar disorder looks like. 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.840 Or back then manic depressive is what they would call that. 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.239 So she was already pretty sick. 00:41:38.960 --> 00:42:03.920 Yeah, and like that's kind of how it was in the beginning as well, like when she tried to unalive herself in the house, and it's like that was red flag number one, and that just was gonna escalate, especially when you're a victim of the time, and it's not like Andrew could have gotten her help or really understood he was too busy doing his US Marshall thing and drinking. 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:12.559 So, I mean, it's if you haven't seen the film, you definitely this one you need to go watch. 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:14.480 It's it's fantastic. 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:22.480 And like you said in the beginning, I I I don't know how it took Leo so long to get an Oscar. 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:34.480 This this would have been should have been his first, and it's it's it was a fun watch, especially looking at it the way that we do now. 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.679 Let's end this on a question, shall we? 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.119 Let's do it. 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:49.039 Which would be worse to live as a monster or to die as a good man. 00:42:53.360 --> 00:43:10.800 Well, everybody, while you sit at home or in your car or at work or wherever you're listening to us on, and you ponder that question, I also would appreciate if you could do me a favor and going and checking out the Patreon. 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:15.280 Go to patreon.com slash split screen Ict. 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:36.480 And that's where I'm gonna be putting uh creepypasses that are generated by AI and reading them to you, and that's part of the subscription for that, and any crazy big changes to the the show or anything like that, or any new things I'm trying out, the Patreon's gonna get all that first. 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.840 So go please give that a check. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:51.840 Um, let me know what you think, and to everybody who is still listening, who has been listening since we started this thing, we still appreciate you being here. 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.320 Please continue to come back. 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:59.840 And um, I hope everybody enjoyed our last episode on Falling Down. 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:06.320 Another shout out to my brother Brandon Clark, who was the reason for that episode. 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:11.280 And I had a lot of fun with that one, and hopefully you guys enjoyed this one. 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:13.440 Thank you, everybody.