התמלול המלא של Episode 12: Falling Down

throughout the movie. 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:50.400 But before we get into the nitty and gritty, what did you think about the film? 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:52.000 I thought it was pretty good. 00:02:52.240 --> 00:03:00.400 Um the listener or listeners that recommended this movie just happened to be family. 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:02.639 I had never seen it before. 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.639 Um, I thought it was pretty good. 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:11.520 There was a lot going on in it in the beginning that I'm kind of like, what the hell is happening? 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:13.360 But I really like Michael Douglas. 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.879 So I already knew I was like, oh, it's probably gonna be a good movie. 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:20.400 And for it being as old as it is, it was pretty I mean, I thought it was pretty good. 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.400 Yeah, yeah, I definitely um I definitely agree. 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:50.319 It's it's a movie that my brothers and I watched when we were kids, and there's still vocal stems that we use to this day because of that film, and um I'll get into the vocal stems later on in the episode just because they're kind of vulgar, kind of funny, but if you're watching the movie, it's not funny at all. 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:50.879 No. 00:03:51.280 --> 00:04:01.199 In my opinion, falling down is like the term going postal, yes, except it's on everybody around you. 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:10.319 So he almost goes into what um FBI profilers and police officers and detectives would call a berserker mode. 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.439 Something sets him off and he just goes on a spree. 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:22.160 And throughout the film, he escalates a little bit more each time until he finally takes a life. 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:28.319 And just like I said in the beginning of the episode, all he's trying to do is go home. 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.000 I'm going home. 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:54.959 And we figure out what's at home, and it's uh it is an emotional roller coaster, but I think it also depicts a very almost misunderstood side of American society, and each generation, I feel like, has its own version of destruction. 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.920 Things in the 90s weren't necessarily better than what they are now, yeah. 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:06.800 And everybody had it differently, but this guy just he had things stack and stack and stack. 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:32.639 Honestly, I think what I want to take away from this episode, and hopefully you as a listener, is we're gonna break this down as simply as possible, but it just goes to show that even in the early 90s, even movies in the eighties, human beings throughout history could simply do one thing and that's ask for help. 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:39.040 If you're struggling in any, any way, reach out to someone. 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:45.920 Do not become defense, aka Michael Douglas's character. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:54.720 That's what they call him in the film because that's what his driver's his driver's his license plate on his vehicle is because he works for a defense company. 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.519 Well, he did, and he built rockets. 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:05.279 When it comes to Michael Douglas's character, Bill, what do you think is happening? 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.000 And what's what was the catalyst do you think? 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.759 Well, I want to start off by kind of going back to the name of the film. 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.879 So the name of the film is Falling Down. 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:24.399 And I don't know if you recognized in the movie there is a very common theme song, The London Bridge is Falling Down. 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:42.399 Um, that is a common theme in the movie, but also falling down, in my opinion, from like this, you know, the psychological clinical perspective, is symbolic for the breakdown of his psyche. 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:53.839 Like I I think it's sho it's supposed to name exactly what's going on with him, which is that his psychological self, if you will, is breaking down and it's falling down. 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.279 That makes sense to me. 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.279 And it's kind of a takeaway that I took as well. 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.759 I mean, it doesn't literally mean he's falling down. 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:00.319 Yeah. 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:08.800 It's it is all about the mental struggle of the time that this movie was filmed and that day's society. 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:18.720 And from watching it as a kid to now watching it as an adult, and now watching it as an adult with the way that you and I watch movies now on a different lens. 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.399 Adult squared, if you will. 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:28.319 I honestly do not think that he would have done some of these things if they didn't pop up in his direction. 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:36.879 With that being said, I always think his outcome was gonna be what happened on the pier at the end. 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:53.279 I think just the sole fact of him getting divorced, him not accepting that, him not seeing his daughter on his birthday, his car breaking down, his ACs not working, now he's walking through Los Angeles in the middle of a sunny summer day. 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.800 I mean, honestly, that would drive anybody crazy. 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.199 Crazy enough to then do what he did throughout the film. 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:09.199 I he was I think he's always was a rubber band that was pulled too tight, and it just today was the day that it finally broke. 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:18.079 Well, it's like this job that broke the camel's back, because if you remember So the whole thing starts because it's his daughter's birthday and he wants to get to her birthday party. 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.680 And you don't know until later on in the movie that like he shouldn't be there. 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:23.199 He's

not allowed to be there. 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:36.240 And so that's kind of where my brain went first when I first watched well first watched it, when we first started watching it, was this guy it he snapped because of his life spalling apart, right? 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:40.399 Well, and like think like early on too, you almost feel sorry for him. 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:41.919 Like, man, what did this guy do? 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:43.440 He got his kid taken away from him? 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:56.320 Like, this isn't like he seems like an okay person, maybe a little high strung, but But then what I was gonna mention was that he got divorced because of the way he treated his wife. 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:05.440 So she talks about in the movie how like you know, when she's talking to the detectives because he keeps calling and he's harassing her, and you know, they're like, Well, did he hit you? 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:06.159 Did he ever hit you? 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.360 And she's like, Well, no, but there were times I felt like he came close. 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:16.240 And then you see little home videos of him getting angry and frustrated with his daughter and his wife. 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.000 So I think he always had anger problems. 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:32.320 I think he always had some sort of impulse control issues or just difficulties managing anger and regulating his emotions. 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:41.200 Because like at first I was like, Oh, he snapped, but then you learn more about him and you're like, mm, just it's just that the the guy's just off. 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.799 Like there's just something not right in his brain. 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:55.519 Yes, and just so that you, the listener, understands if we can figure out like a family history through this process, we usually will discuss it. 00:09:55.759 --> 00:10:02.080 But all we know is what the film has given us, and so we do not know what his childhood was like. 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:16.720 And he um and I said it like in a bunch of times, that he almost feels like an anti-hero in some aspects, like um certain parts of the film, like we'll talk about. 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:28.240 So he enters a fast food restaurant later on in the film, and at this point, by this time, he has already acquired a bag of guns. 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:28.799 Okay. 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:39.519 And we're talking about somebody who has snapped and is on a societal rampage through Los Angeles. 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.559 Last thing this guy needs is a bag of guns. 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:42.960 Yeah. 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:51.440 But he pulls a submachine gun out at a fast food restaurant because they were sir they refused to serve him breakfast at 11.01. 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.080 And he, you know, yeah, he was only one minute past the deadline. 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.519 But how many of us have gone to McDonald's, been a few minutes late for breakfast, and then tell

us, oh no, sorry. 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.440 I've even been to breakfast late at McDonald's, and they've still given it to me because it was still out. 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:07.279 Yeah, they still have some, yeah. 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:17.519 It just goes to show that he he is clearly I mean, anti-hero keeps coming back, either known. 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.360 He's not a hero at all. 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:29.679 And he then in the middle of what appears to be a holdup, all these people in this fast food restaurant think that he's trying to rob the place. 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:34.240 And he claims he accidentally discharged the weapon in the restaurant. 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:43.120 It was an accident, which I mean he does kind of show a decent amount of remorse for that, so maybe it was an accident. 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:52.960 But then he completely changes his mind and says, I'll go ahead and have lunch, and then talks all this mad crap that this burger that he got doesn't look like the burger on the screen. 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.919 And well, none of us get food that looks like that. 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:01.360 I was gonna say, I mean, I've been mad a couple times looking at a burger and being like, This don't look nothing like the picture. 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:13.440 Yeah, and like it like that's that's one instance, and then he has a situation where, you know, this is where you almost feel like he's the anti-hero, where he's on this hill. 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.639 It's like a little rock formation that basically like um left over from construction. 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:28.000 That there's some graffiti on it, and these two what appear to be gang members show up to to where he's at and said, This is my rock, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:37.039 And Michael Douglas even was like, Hey guys, I mean, he was kind of sarcastic about it, but he's literally, um, do not quote me on this. 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:43.200 I think he says, You can have your piece of shit rock, and I'll take my things and I'll be on my way. 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:44.480 He tried to leave. 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:44.799 Yeah. 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:47.919 And then he continued to try to leave. 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:55.039 And then he proceeded to beat both of them with a bat, and eventually those two guys die. 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:58.960 Well, he beat them because they they try to steal his briefcase. 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:00.879 Yeah. 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:04.799 But they died, I want to say they died because of their own actions too. 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.919 Yeah, he did not take the lives of the gang members. 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:18.240 In retaliation, they see him at a phone booth and just start sh doing a drive-by and then backfired and they ended up crashing their car. 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.240 But that's something I the reason why I'm talking about this with you. 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:28.399 The specific

scene in the movie is when they're about to do the drive-by. 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:39.039 Michael Douglas's character is already called home for like the second or third time, didn't say a word, never says a word, um, up until a point, and then he finally says something. 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:44.080 Um, he he just stands there. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.519 He doesn't duck, he doesn't shield himself. 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:59.039 All he does is slowly turn around and watch these guys just shoot people around him as while every bullet is passing by him, and then just walks nonchalantly up to their wrecked car. 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:05.200 They ended up wrecking, steals their bag of guns, that's how he gets the bag of guns, and ends up shooting one of them in the leg. 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:08.480 And here's that's like the escalation part that I'm talking about. 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:24.159 He went from just yelling at a guy in a grocery store about prices, to beating two gang members with a bat, to then shooting somebody in in the leg and then stealing a bunch of firearms, and then he eventually does commit murder. 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.120 And all of this is in an afternoon. 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:30.639 That is that's progressing very quick. 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.080 He is um what's the term I'm looking for? 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.120 He is escalating very fast. 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:44.000 Well, it's almost like you can see like he's just he's just a guy sitting in his car one minute. 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:48.399 And then the next, it's almost like you can see his brain just flip. 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:56.159 You can see that switch just flip, and he's just like, fuck this, like and then just turns and almost turns into another person, if you will. 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:17.200 Yeah, especially after he goes to the um army surplus store where this guy tries to um sell him something, and this is not word for word what the guy says in the film, but this is the vocal stem that I've used growing up, and those are Vietnam jungle boots. 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:21.440 Guaranteed not to kill a chipmunk if you step on it. 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:28.639 And that shopkeeper ends up being the first person he ends up taking the life of. 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:50.240 He puts on this whole black kind of army getup, and after that it was all just like I think he was now in it, and after he shot this guy multiple times in the back, he has this little slide slant smile, this little smirk on his face, which which told me he enjoyed it. 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:56.000 And so, in my opinion, he was always going to get there. 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:08.000 But I'm is it because of a break, or is he has he been a narcissist this whole time, or does he you know, is he is he a psychopath? 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.559 Like what what are you thinking? 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:12.960 So I have a couple theories. 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:32.799 Um again, I kind

of started off like this guy had a psychotic break, and he's you know, delusional and he's um just uh paranoid and but there's no evidence of him seeing things or hearing things. 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:47.679 The only I guess psychotic behavior besides the violence is his like almost delusional idea that he has a family to go back to. 00:16:48.080 --> 00:17:00.399 Like he is dead set on the fact that like we're still married, I'm going to my daughter's birthday, no matter how many times that she says, Hey, do not because he calls her from payphones and he's not supposed to be calling her. 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:05.759 There's a restraining order against him by her because of his his anger. 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:11.599 But every time he calls, even though she's like, You can't come here, you know, and calls again, he's like, What do you think I should get her for her birthday? 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:20.400 It's almost like he's it's hard to tell if he does if it's not clicking in his brain or if he's just deliberately doing it to scare her. 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.759 But I I think he's deliberately doing deliberately doing it to scare her. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:44.160 Combined with like the history of anger issues and his complete disregard for other people, the safety of himself or others, just I think antisocial is a possibility for sure. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:53.359 Um but the only thing that I struggle with with that we don't know anything about his history. 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.599 Like we don't know where he grew up. 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:05.759 We don't know his family, we don't know if he got into trouble and had a lot of issues with the law when he was younger. 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:11.759 Like we don't we don't know that, but so it's really hard to pin down if that's what it is. 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:16.160 I definitely think he has some cluster B traits. 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:32.559 Like he's got traits of borderline because of his like almost codependency issues and this almost delusional idea that his wife still loves him and that he he needs all this attention from her. 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:45.839 Well, what what do you what do you take on when Pinegast and his partner get to his mom's house and she is telling him uh he always keeps his room this clean. 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:47.039 It's always immaculate. 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.440 He was always in his studies. 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:57.599 Um, I don't necessarily think that he had any problems with the law, otherwise he wouldn't be able to have a defense military contract to build rockets. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:02.880 That does not mean maybe he has military training that we're not aware of. 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:08.400 Maybe he went overseas for something and maybe he has trauma from that. 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:13.200 Or maybe he is just hyper intelligent. 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:24.960 Well, he did say the words he used when he's talking about why he lost his job because of like budget cuts or whatever, he is over-educated and under skilled. 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:32.240 So he talks about like he is very highly intelligent, but he doesn't have any other skills besides what he's been doing. 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:49.039 So he does I mean whenever you think about somebody who is very clean and very particular, that standalone by itself from like a clinical perspective doesn't say a whole lot if you just look at that. 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:49.839 Right? 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:55.680 Cause like there are people who just like things clean, people who just like things to be tidy, you know, like me. 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.599 I can't sleep if there's dishes in the sink. 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:58.400 You know what I mean? 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:12.160 Like I bring out a bad example, but um but I do think and so I'm gonna say this just uh to kind of paint a picture here. 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:18.079 So people use the terms you've heard us use them psychopath, sociopath, right? 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:34.400 People use those terms almost interchangeably, but both of them essentially are the same if you had to put a diagnosis on it or the same diagnosis, which is remember what we talked about last time. 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.480 Um it's all antisocial. 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:39.119 Yes. 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:52.559 But the difference would be is that like one of them, you know, someone who's a so or someone who's a sociopath, psychopath, they're all they have similar qualities, but also have different qualities. 00:20:52.720 --> 00:21:10.319 So I I feel like he potentially could be, you know, for example, um, a psychopath does not feel empathy or be they don't want the really to be a part of a loving relationship, they don't have a conscience, unable to feel guilt. 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:15.119 Um they under they're very excellent understanding and mimicking human emotions. 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:26.799 So like that's why a lot of times people who are a psychopath they can look like they're crying, they can look like they're upset, but it's because they are smart enough and they've watched, they've observed other people. 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:35.119 Um so if they're going to commit a crime, they try to be very precise and plan it very carefully. 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:36.160 He doesn't do that. 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.480 No, that's the whole the whole definition of a berserker mode. 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:48.400 On the other end, a sociopath they can form quite normal relationships and have legitimate close friends and relationships. 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:53.839 Their behavior is more impulsive rather than planned out. 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:59.839 Um they're usually unorganized in their behavior. 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:08.319 And what's crazy is so again, both of these describe antisocial personality disorder. 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:12.559 A psychopath is genetic. 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.279

A sociopath is environmental. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.000 That is the difference between the two. 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:22.799 Are you guys taking notes? 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.920 So could he be antisocial? 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:28.480 Yes. 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:35.759 Another thing I kind of threw around I don't know if I've talked about this one yet. 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:38.480 Intermittent explosive disorder. 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:41.839 Or have I talked about that one yet? 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:44.079 No, I do not believe so. 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:44.720 Okay. 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:52.400 So just to kind of give you an idea, and this one I'm not entirely sure about either, but it's another possibility. 00:22:53.039 --> 00:23:06.160 Um according to the DSM, intermittent explosive disorder is recurrent behavioral outbursts representing a failure to control aggressive impulses manifested by either of the following. 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:19.519 That could be verbal aggression, um, such as like temper tantrums, tirades, verbal arguments or fights, physical aggression toward property animals or other individuals occurring twice weekly on average for a period of three months. 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:26.960 We know that he's had anger issues for years because of his wife, because she told us that, right? 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.319 Well, and not just that, too. 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:49.759 Yeah, if you if you ever go back and watch the film, there's a scene where you're watching um an actual recorded home movie, and he doesn't seem very nice to the to his daughter either, and she's crying and doesn't want to go on this horse that he bought her, but he's like, Well, I bought the damn horse, so you're gonna put her on it. 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:55.839 And um, that was when she was little, little, and she's like preschooler age. 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:57.599 Yeah, she was like three, maybe. 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:06.720 When we see her later on in the film, so yeah, it this has gotta been going on before they had even met. 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:25.519 One thing this does say, though, that kind of got me was like, mmm, like this kind of turned my brain to maybe it was an intermittent explosive disorder, and that it's typically people with these anger outbursts, it does not result in someone getting injured. 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.000 Doesn't result in someone, you know, getting killed. 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:43.440 Yeah, it'd be like a like a very violent temper tantrum, breaking things, fists through walls, uh, maybe hitting, but not um, not even maybe hitting. 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:45.359 It's not very typical at all, I think. 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:50.319 However, however, I always have a however in here. 00:24:51.839 --> 00:25:05.440 Back to the beginning of the diagnosis where it says recurrent behavioral outbursts representing a failure to control aggressive impulses are manifested by either of the following, right? 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:07.119 So that's option one. 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:11.440 Option two, let me read this until you and let me see what you think of this. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:27.519 Three behavioral outbursts involving damage or destruction of property and or physical assault involving physical injury against animals or other individuals occurring within a 12-month period. 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.480 That is the one single day that we get to witness that this man's life. 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:34.079 And he has at least three of those. 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:34.960 In the movie. 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:35.920 In the movie. 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:39.839 Um, it also you so you remember you have to have one of those. 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:43.359 You also have to have this one as well. 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:55.920 The magnitude of aggressiveness expressed during recurrent outbursts is grossly out of proportion to the provocation or to any precipitating psychosocial stressors. 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.200 So the burger, for example. 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:05.200 His behavior because of the burger was out of proportion for that, the actual situation. 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:06.079 Correct. 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:06.720 Right? 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:15.440 Same with the birthday, like the girl, the little girl wanting to go into the pool or ride whatever it was that she was wanting to ride. 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:16.640 Oh, ride the pony he got her. 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:18.079 Yes, ride the pony that he got her. 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.920 Yeah, the little toy pony. 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.240 Out of proportion, right? 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.480 Um, the recurrent aggressive outbursts are not premeditated. 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:28.640 So these things are not planned. 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:33.599 They are things that just happen out of anger that you have no control over. 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.480 Yeah, and he he is reacting in the moment. 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:38.640 It's he's not seeking these things out. 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.480 He is just reacting to the situation, but he's taking it to the extreme. 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.480 Well, and another important thing to note is these impulsive behaviors. 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:57.519 Like typically, if someone acts impulsively, I wouldn't say typically, that's a bad, bad thing to say, but occasionally you'll see someone who acts impulsively and it's they have an agenda. 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.119 Like they are acting a certain way because they want something out of it. 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.079 You know, we have three-year-old twins. 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.599 Most of the time, their impulsive behavior is because they want something. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:08.319 Yeah. 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.000 Especially from each other or their older sister, and then they fight. 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:21.680 Um, however, the impulsive behaviors in someone with intermittent

explosive disorder, there is no, they don't necessarily need an end goal. 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:27.759 They just they are impulsive and they act on their anger for no other reason than to just act on their anger. 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:28.160 Yeah. 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:35.119 They don't have to have a tangible item to, you know, they're not trying to get what they want, basically. 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:48.240 Um, they the recurrent aggressive outbursts cause either marked distress in the individual or impairment in occupational or interpersonal functioning, or are associated with financial or legal consequences. 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:53.119 You will see that in a lot of these diagnoses, that it has to, they have to show some sort of impairment. 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.160 Um they have to be at least six years old. 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:01.200 The recurrent aggressive outbursts are not better explained by another mental disorder. 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:10.319 So basically, what that's saying is if you have PTSD and you have anger outbursts because you have PTSD, you don't have intermittent explosive disorder. 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:11.440 Right? 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:12.400 That makes sense. 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:12.720 Okay. 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:24.319 If you have bipolar disorder with mania, and you can get aggressive during a manic phase of your bipolar disorder. 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.799 Don't have intermittent explosive disorder. 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:32.559 Basically, what this is saying is like this is a standalone, like you just have anger that stems from nothing. 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.279 Just anger outbursts. 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:41.920 And these anger outbursts typically hurt people or they destroy property or they cause damage to belongings. 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:54.960 Um, or it could just look like you and I are talking, you say something to me, and I just start throwing shit out of nowhere and just screaming, and even if it's not in any direction, I'm just throwing shit. 00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:08.160 So I think that's what's going on with defense is he has intermittent explosive disorder without the context of knowing what happened in his childhood, his family. 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:19.920 Um, but I do think there could be a little bit of sociopathy in there just because of how he previously was with his wife and his daughter. 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:20.720 Yeah. 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.240 Yeah, I would agree with that. 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:30.000 But for sure, this man has when you hear someone with anger issues, dude's got real anger issues. 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.839 So why are we really talking about this film? 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.720 It's not it's not just because it was recommended. 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:50.400 After after watching this film again and kind of putting myself in his shoes, but using the world we're living in today, it made me think of it a little differently. 00:29:50.640 --> 00:30:00.559 And it's because I think it captured a specific strain of modern anxiety, the feeling of working hard, following the rules, and still feeling abandoned by the system. 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:05.440 But it refuses to make it refuses to make him a martyr. 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:13.599 And it shows how unexamined privilege and rage can transform personal tragedy into violence. 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:22.079 And that's the point of these conversations that we have. 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:39.359 It's to to give a more broader idea about mental health, maybe some signs of things happening in your life as a listener that you can look out for, and we don't want any more violence. 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.240 Unfortunately, it's never gonna go away. 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:54.000 No, but unlike Defense, who did at the very end of this film, it's a psychological thriller with action on top. 00:30:54.079 --> 00:31:18.720 Like it's there, there is a deeper meaning to what we're watching, and as funny as some of the things that at least my family and I have talked about over the years with this movie, it's is hyper realistic, it is very serious, and it is very relevant to our world today. 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:28.079 From 1993 to 2026, nothing has changed except it has increasingly gotten worse. 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:34.079 I also want to kind of bring this up as well. 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:50.880 One one thing that people fail to remember is and if you don't have, you know, if you don't work in the field I work in, it's really hard to understand this, but all behavior is communication, right? 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:57.119 Whether it's communication the person understands, or whether it's communication that's the person doesn't understand. 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:02.880 All behavior communicates some sort of need, one way or another. 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:10.400 You know, and yeah, his behavior is irrational for sure, but he has this need to be with his family. 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:25.359 He has this need to not be alone, and that's the only way that he knows how to, I guess, voice that and to meet that need is by doing what he can, by acting however he can to get to his family. 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.720 So, you know, in the in the line of work, I'm in a lot. 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:37.680 It I hear a lot that, especially with kids, and it bothers me because it's like, oh, that's just it's just behavioral, it's not mental health. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.599 Okay, they're the same thing. 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.920 Behavioral and mental health go hand in hand. 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:53.839 So people fail to understand, like, and it's truly sad, especially in the society we live in now. 00:32:54.079 --> 00:33:05.920 You see somebody who on let's say on the street, okay, or on Broadway, you see someone that someone might be like, oh, there's a tweaker, you know, they're wigging out on the corner of the street. 00:33:06.319 -->

00:33:07.440 They could be. 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:14.880 But the way I see it, because I used to see it that way, is like, oh God, you know, but now I see it as like some's wrong. 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:16.640 Is this person withdrawing? 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:17.599 Is this person on drugs? 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.160 Is this person hearing things, seeing things? 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.319 Like you just don't, you just don't know. 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:40.319 And I think it's if you kind of look at society that way where like behavior is communication, and that most behavior can be explained by either a mint like not meeting a need or a mental health concern, you kind of look at people differently. 00:33:40.960 --> 00:34:09.679 It kind of makes you wonder how many arguments or disagreements or anything negative in a conversation could have been changed just by simply having that what you just said always constantly in the front of your frontal lobe, so that when you start the conversation with somebody, either you know them or you don't, you can notice, or anybody in the service industry, that kind of stuff. 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:15.119 Like, if somebody is being a dick to you, don't react to them being a dick. 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:15.599 Yeah. 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.639 Ask why. 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:40.400 Well, and you, you know, on my line of work a lot, especially being a supervisor over case managers who deal with people that are very sick on a daily basis, it's very easy to take things personally, and we constantly have to remind our staff as supervisors, as clinicians, do not take things personally. 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:50.480 These patients are ill, they have you know, mental health struggles, chances are it's not you. 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.199 Does it make it okay? 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:53.679 No. 00:34:53.840 --> 00:35:02.000 But if you kind of look at it that way as like it's not me, it's not my fault, it's also it it's not about you. 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:03.840 You know what I mean? 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:28.559 Yeah, like and a lot of people think that someone lashing out at them is they take it personally, and that's it's easy to do, but it's also selfish to do that because it's like what makes you as an individual so special that this person just decided to act out with you alone. 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:29.519 You know what I mean? 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:30.159 Yeah. 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:42.880 So kind of looking at it from that perspective, like clearly the man being Michael Douglas in this has issues, but it also was like how can he be helped? 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:56.880 Like I tell my staff all the time, I'm like, if someone's having a rough day, sometimes you just offer him a snack, some water, you know, like just basic needs, and you'd be surprised what that does for somebody. 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.159 Yeah, sometimes you need a reset. 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.880 Or you can even use the term

to be grounded. 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:17.519 You need you need something in your life to to be able to tether to be so you don't float off into the emptiness of the universe. 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:53.199 It's like if you don't have somebody like that, or you don't have people like that, I strongly urge to try and find someone, even a therapist that you that you trust to at least have something and trust me, it uh it comes from a place of true understanding of why I say that, and I think if we could just be kinder to each other, stuff like this wouldn't happen. 00:36:53.280 --> 00:37:02.800 I think if we could understand more about who you are as a person and not who the fuck you voted for. 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:03.679 Yeah. 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:05.760 You know, that kind of stuff. 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:10.480 Politics has kind of, and we won't talk about politics on this podcast. 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:18.320 This will be the only time you really hear us talk about it unless it is involved in a film that we are covering. 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:41.119 But politics don't have any business doing what they're doing when it comes to, especially what it when it comes to the studies of mental health, the funding of mental health, and they are literally creating more victims than they are helping. 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.800 I don't know where the money's going. 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.320 I don't give a shit, honestly. 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.000 The money needs to go back. 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:56.079 And it the moment we stop talking about mental health is the moment this world ends. 00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:08.639 I do want to say, kind of on like a lighter note, when I talk about behavior and how it's a uh communication, unless you're antisocial. 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.039 People who are antisocial just don't honey badger don't give shit. 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:13.679 You know what I mean? 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.719 Like, but no, I completely agree. 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:32.960 I think as a society, we are getting more experienced and kind of opening our eyes more to mental health, but we still have a very, very long way to go, unfortunately. 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:45.039 But I think that's why we created this podcast is just to bring awareness and turn something fun like watching a movie into how can I analyze that from a mental health perspective, you know? 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.480 Yeah, and don't get that twisted, because the way that sounded to me is that didn't sound very fun. 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.239 It's so much fun. 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.039 I look at movies so differently now because I'm like, what's going on in their head? 00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:58.000 You know what I mean? 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.559 Like, I want to know what's going on in someone's head, no matter what it is. 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.800 It could be someone at the grocery store, it could be in a movie, it could be the barista at the coffee shop. 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.079 Like, I want to know what's going on in someone's head, and I want to know why they're acting that way. 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:17.840 And so watching movies and being able to kind of come up with my own scenarios in my own head of basic based on what I'm seeing is super interesting to me. 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:19.280 Makes movies different. 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:28.159 Yeah, and I almost wonder if it also helps you kind of look for other things in your real life that maybe you didn't notice before either. 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.199 It's uh it is strange because I think you're absolutely right. 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:38.159 I look at movies differently now too, and hopefully you as a listener might as well, just by going on this journey with us. 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:51.920 With that being said, though, um, if you have not checked out the Patreon, you just need to go to patreon.com slash split screenict.com and you can subscribe. 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.800 You do not have to pay a whole crap ton of money. 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.559 You can pay as little as a dollar. 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:04.960 You can pay 50 bucks, you can pay 25, you can pay a dollar, and you get the same content no matter what you put in. 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.519 It is literally just a donation service. 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:16.800 If you want to donate to us to allow us to upgrade and continue to do this, um, you are more than welcome to. 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:20.239 Do not ever feel obligated to do so, though. 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.039 We just are glad you're here for the main show. 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.920 And I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:30.320 And anything else you would like to add? 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