התמלול המלא של Scars And Second Chances

uh, graduated with my associates in arts, and then I asked my professors, you know, what should I do? 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:42.960 And they said you should move to Nashville and network because you ain't scared. 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.120 I was like, aye, Captain. 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.840 So$650 a truck and a trailer. 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:50.800 I moved here in 2013 and I never had to leave. 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:52.560 And and you weren't scared. 00:03:52.879 --> 00:04:00.960 No, yeah, I love that you said that because anybody listening to this or watching this, whether it's now or down the road, that's great advice. 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:08.960 You had a you have confidence in yourself, you're you're gonna make that move, and one way or another, you're gonna try to give it everything you have to make it work. 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:09.840 Absolutely. 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:12.000 That's cool, yeah. 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:20.560 You know, Jacqueline, looking back at that young girl starting out, uh, what did she understand about this business and what did she have absolutely no clue about? 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.360 Honestly, I don't think she understood anything. 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:24.399 Looking back. 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:26.480 Well, I I understand, yeah. 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.399 Yeah, like nothing. 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:34.800 Um, I just I loved music and I loved people, and I didn't realize anything. 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:45.120 And there was artists that I had looked up to, you know, Shania Twain was a huge influence to me, but also my dad and mom always pushed like Journey and Aerosmith on me as well. 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:50.879 So I had a lot of different diversity, but I knew I knew nothing, nothing. 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.120 So you grew up around a lot of rock. 00:04:53.439 --> 00:05:02.079 I did speak a lot of rock, and I can tell from the music that uh yeah, we'll play a little clip of it here in a minute, but uh I yeah, yeah, and that's the way it's going now. 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:03.680 I think that that is so cool. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:04.720 I hope so. 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:18.160 Yeah, I really hope so because I always feel like it's it's that hard box in country and rock where you're too rock for country, you're too country for rock, and I think we've now come to a spot, especially with Hardy opening up lanes and even Carrie Underwood. 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:23.839 Yeah, we can do that, which is exciting because it's uh it's accepted now. 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:29.519 Is there a particular artist that you you're really getting into now, maybe on the in with the country genre? 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.959 Because there's so many, and they're pretty much coming out of the woodwork. 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:39.279 I mean, social media is just throwing them at us, but uh is there somebody that you're really digging? 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.800 I would say I've seen Steven Wilson Jr. 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.240 live, and it was the craziest performance I've ever seen. 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:47.120 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.000 His voice is out of this world, how he nicest guy, too. 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:51.839 Oh, nicest guy. 00:05:51.920 --> 00:06:01.839 Yeah, and like I it's funny, people don't talk about all the highlights of artists after, but I have to say, with him in particular, I was so impressed after his show. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:14.480 He had signed hats for everyone, and he was there for probably about a solid hour after his performance, just signing these hats for everyone and making sure that every person that was waiting for him had his signature on it. 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.879 And I was like, that is the real deal. 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.079 Like he's exhausted, he's taken the time to do that. 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:21.360 So it's really cool. 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.279 Yeah, and the artists need to see what he does, you know what I mean? 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:27.040 Because that that helps you. 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:39.439 You know, you gotta have that uh, you know, with your fans, you gotta have that communication, you gotta make it work, you gotta you gotta prove to them that you're no different than they are, you're just doing something that you love, yes, and it all comes together. 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:41.040 What about you, Justin? 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:49.920 Um I I like to tell people that I'm country meets rock meets pop, put it together, you're a crop artist. 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:51.360 So I'm a crop artist. 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:52.160 Oh, I like that. 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:59.279 Um I never was raised around crops, grew up on a farm, we didn't have crops, so that was my crop. 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:04.800 Um but uh talking about Stephen Wilson Jr. 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.680 I mean, one of my biggest guys is Keith Urban, one of my biggest guys. 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:09.439 Always has been, always will be. 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:15.839 But um I grew up where I couldn't listen to anything with distortion guitar until about 15 years old. 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:16.319 Oh wow. 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.879 It was a very, very strict religious uh uh environment. 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:33.519 Um I was a youth pastor's kid, and when my dad finally said no to the church, yes to Jesus, but no to the church, then um I got into Black Sabbath and Death Left for Paranoid Jovi. 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:34.319 Oh yeah. 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:35.360 Iron Man? 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:37.439 Iron Iron Maiden, all of them. 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:45.120 I mean, no, Iron what did um I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off, but Black Sabbath did like paranoid, and then they was it uh Iron Man? 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:45.920 Was it I am? 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:47.439 Yeah, they did Iron Man. 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:47.759 Uh-huh. 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:50.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:50.720 All that stuff. 00:07:51.439 --> 00:08:00.000 I yeah, I grew up uh when I got to college, I had a good handle on that by the time they started kind of introducing more like heavy metal to me. 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.160 And I was like, this is a little too intense for me. 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.160 Man, I love the guitars, but I don't want to be screamed at. 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:05.759 I get screamed at home for free. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.439 So yeah. 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:09.040 All right. 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:10.800 I got you. 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:11.680 No, that's cool. 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.399 Well, you so you said, Justin, you're in the the Christian music for a bit, which is cool. 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:16.800 Love it. 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:17.439 I was. 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:18.800 I started out in Christian, yeah. 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.560 Yeah, and and Brandon Lake is somebody that I I love to listen to, and he's very Christian. 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:27.199 And uh it's it's so good, so good. 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:29.759 Just music like that is just phenomenal. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:30.800 Made me think of that. 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.879 But uh so you know, uh Jacqueline, what where's your hometown? 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:36.399 Uh Toronto, Canada. 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:37.279 Oh, that's right. 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:38.639 You're north of the border. 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:39.919 Yeah, yeah. 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:48.639 But I feel like I always joke, I'm like, I'm half American because I've I've been coming back to back and forth, honestly, um, to Nashville since I was 15 years old. 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:53.840 So it's been I've I've been around Nashville for a while. 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.399 I became friends with Brad Mates. 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.799 Was it Brad from Emerson Drive? 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:00.720 Brad from Emerson Drive. 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.600 Then there was Dennick, who was the guitar player. 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.960 Um years ago, we pick we became pretty good friends. 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.960 He'd come through town and we'd stop and get lunch before he flew back to Canada. 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:11.919 So it was kind of cool. 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:13.840 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:14.799 Doc Walker. 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:17.519 Big, big, big. 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:18.639 Love that stuff. 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:19.679 Absolutely love it. 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:22.799 I always wondered though, um the difference. 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:32.559 I mean, being a Canadian artist, country artist, and then you, you know, American country artist, and there's that divide for whatever reason, but there really shouldn't be. 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.759 I know I kind of wondered why. 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:38.799 Because there's you know Aaron Goodvin? 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:41.279 Yeah, exactly. 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:42.559 And

he's a great guy. 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:50.159 We just had him here for a show a couple of weeks ago with 615 Collective, and um, and and I've met him before and we've talked about the same thing. 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:55.200 He says he he he can't go out of the house in Canada because everybody's like, Oh my god, it's Aaron Goodwin, you know. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.480 They go there, but in the United States, nobody knows who he is. 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.519 He says, I can go to the store, I can do whatever I want here. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:03.440 Yeah, so that's crazy. 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:12.080 So you grew up in Toronto, yeah, just outside a little town called Burlington, uh, which is like 35 minutes from downtown. 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.399 How little of a town is that? 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:18.159 Well, it's not that little now, it's like turning into a full-on city. 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.120 Um what's the big thing in Burlington? 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:22.320 What's the big thing? 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:23.440 Like what's exciting that? 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:27.840 Yeah, let's say let's say I'm I'm taking a trip to Burlington and I'm gonna drive into town. 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:29.440 What's the first thing I'm gonna see? 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:34.639 Well, I would say we have Brant Street, which is cute, it's a bunch of cute little towns. 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:38.080 Um, and a lot of live music happens down there. 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:40.320 Love that, yes, which is great. 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:42.960 And I grew up just off of Brant Street, so I love it. 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.200 Every single time that did you play on that street? 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:48.159 I would, yeah. 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:49.679 I would do little shows there all the time. 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.519 How cool! And uh yeah, it's just it's cozy, it's very cute. 00:10:53.759 --> 00:11:02.240 So that would be the top place I would go to, but also like Canada's so beautiful, and Ontario is beautiful, and Niagara Falls is one of my favorite spots. 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.320 The Canadian side is beautiful. 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:09.360 Justin had gone there the one time, and with his mom, he's like, bang. 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:10.879 I love it. 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.919 I love it's so true. 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:20.879 I mean, you know, yeah, you you see the American side, all right, but you go to the Canadian side, it's absolutely gorgeous. 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:21.840 Oh, it's beautiful. 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:22.559 It's so funny. 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:27.440 It is absolutely go to the wax museum on that side and all that good stuff, and it's it's it's crazy. 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:29.919 So, how long have you two actually known each other? 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:31.519 It's been a while now. 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:36.559 It does been like six, six years, yeah, five or six years. 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:40.000 Yeah, it's been

a hot second and a half, which was more than half a hot second. 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.559 So uh I like this guy. 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:43.919 You got a lot of cool sayings. 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:44.960 I like that. 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:47.679 You come up with some good stuff. 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:52.639 Well, that you know, that definitely would make you an exceptional songwriter, which I'm sure you are. 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.279 I grew up on Bud Abbott and Lou Costello. 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:56.320 So I love it. 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:57.440 I love it, I love it. 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:02.399 Yeah, so um I just I forgot what I was gonna ask, but it doesn't matter. 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.720 So we've known each other for about five or six years. 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:05.440 Yeah, yeah, okay. 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:07.759 And how did you meet? 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.240 Um, through our friend Frankie. 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:12.080 Yes, you're right. 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:12.720 Yeah. 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:13.759 Frankie. 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:15.440 Everybody knows the Frankie. 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:23.440 Yeah, she was a songwriter and a producer uh out here in in town, and uh we linked up, I think was it a coffee shop? 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:28.559 Yeah, I think we met for coffee first, and then we did a round together at the hotel. 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:29.840 Yeah, uh-huh. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.799 And that's how our story starts. 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:34.639 And that's how it starts. 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.240 Um now you're both in Nashville doing your thing. 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:44.000 Um, and and Jacqueline, you've opened up for some pretty big artists like Nickelback. 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:45.600 I mean, I could see you doing that. 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:52.320 Even uh, I think Nickelback was doing like a little bit of somewhat country, but not really country country. 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:54.399 I think it's country too. 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:55.120 Yeah, yeah. 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:56.960 So I'm not wrong to say that. 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:58.399 No, definitely not. 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.360 And then I was reading in your bio um that you opened up for Don McLean. 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.759 Wow, yes, what a range. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.919 Yeah, at the Nashville Municipal. 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:16.480 So they were doing um ceremony induction into the singer-songwriter Hall of Fame, and uh I was the opening band for that, which was incredible. 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:20.639 And opening for Nickelback, were you like holy crap? 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:22.159 Yes, I was. 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:34.000 It was crazy because the craziest part of that was uh it was Ottawa Blues Fest in Canada, and they have never let us know which stages we were gonna be performing on. 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.840 They just said, Congratulations, you're playing Ottawa Blues Fest. 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:43.840 So

I was so excited because it it's always been one of my favorite festivals, and I was so pumped to be on stage. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:57.759 And then I get it wasn't until the day before, I get our sound check and I see Nickelback, Warren Zeters, Jacqueline Canyon, and I'm like, No, no, no, this is this is there must be a mistake, right? 00:13:58.399 --> 00:13:59.519 There's a typo. 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.159 Uh and so I message the sound guy. 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.159 I'm like, Oh, is this on the main stage? 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:05.840 He's like, Yeah, yeah, you're playing main stage. 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.159 I'm like, Oh, okay. 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:09.600 It's insane. 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:12.480 So it was it was wild. 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:16.879 Yeah, and once you got done with that, you went, yeah. 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:18.960 You know that that's that's big time. 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:19.519 That's major. 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:20.080 That's major. 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:20.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:27.360 No, no, I wasn't. 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:27.759 No. 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:37.600 You know, either one of you, um, everybody sees Nashville as a magical place uh where dreams happen, or so they think. 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:38.240 All right. 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:42.799 Um what's the part of Nashville that people on the outside do not see? 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:44.559 Either one of you can answer that. 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:47.039 I'll let you answer that one, Justin. 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.399 How saturated this place is. 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:52.320 Everybody is a talent. 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.159 I mean, in some form or fashion. 00:14:54.320 --> 00:15:00.080 I was talking to uh a gal last night that just moved here three weeks ago, and she goes, Oh, I'm a songwriter. 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:00.799 And I'm like, Oh, okay. 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.559 She goes, Yeah, I write so many poems, and I'm like, everybody is a and she just kept. 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:26.879 I think it's also this saturated sense of everybody thinks that sometimes whenever you're walking in just to check out certain environments, that at first it seems friendly, but then when you start trying to take a gig, and you're not trying to, you're just there and they offer you something, then it becomes this competition insane. 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:35.840 Um, and you know, I've I've found myself getting in the door with certain things all because I choose to support and collaborate before competing. 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:36.639 Absolutely. 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:37.200 I like that. 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:48.080 But it is it really is a magical place, and you find the people that you drive with the connection here is just the the atmosphere, the environment, the community is just everything. 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:55.120 It is uh a lot of people they get the um the impression that they're gonna go to Nashville, they're gonna

become a star. 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.720 But like you say, there's so so many people you go to there. 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.559 You know, there's so many, but it and it doesn't happen overnight. 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:05.919 I mean, Tim McGraw took 10 years to even be noticed. 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:09.200 Um, but um everybody wants to go. 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:13.120 And if they don't go, I always tell people to go if they think they have what it takes. 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:13.919 Go ahead, go. 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.080 But you gotta learn to be able to take the criticism. 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:22.559 You gotta be able to take the, you know, learn the word what the word no means, and you gotta stay positive. 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:24.000 You gotta hold your head up. 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.039 I mean, because I mean, I'll ask you too, both of you. 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.240 I'm sure you've been there. 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.360 Um, when so you know, there's a lot of haters out there. 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:32.879 How do you handle that? 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:48.720 I mean, I've gone through the ringer with this, and I I think it's um it's difficult too because especially when I was younger, I'm trying to figure out myself, and there's there's things I love and there's things I want to fix. 00:16:48.879 --> 00:17:01.120 And when you're so uh on a pedestal for everyone to see, it's so difficult to try to take that negativity and just let it go away. 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:07.680 And I can honestly say I don't think I ever just like get used to it or that it ever really goes away. 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.640 People's words always have weight, but it's how you identify with yourself at the end of the day. 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.480 I mean, I'm a Christian, I I put my words in my my faith in God at the end of the day and my identity. 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:27.279 And if I didn't have that, I would be so lost because if you're not grounded in in Christ, totally it's it's so hard to just get lost in it. 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.000 Totally 100% agree with you. 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:40.400 Um I feel that uh when you do you get the negative comments and things like that, that it makes you better because yeah, take them and say, All right, you don't like that? 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.240 Whatever, I'll do this, you know. 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:47.839 And I think with all that, it makes you a makes you better, both not only a better person, but a better musician. 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:48.640 So it does. 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.680 That's what you learn from you put the anger into songs, and you're like, okay, you just have to find an outlet. 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:55.440 How do I sound now? 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:57.519 No, not just kidding. 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:58.160 Just kidding. 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.599 Yeah, uh, was there ever a moment where you thought, okay, this is happening. 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.279

I'm about about to break through. 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.799 Do you remember that moment? 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.039 Because you are breaking through, both of you. 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.200 So go ahead, Jacqueline. 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.000 I'm so glad that Justin came on tonight. 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.200 That's so cool. 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:17.920 Just gonna keep swerving it over to each other. 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:19.839 How do you take care of it? 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:21.200 You know what? 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:28.960 I I can say that I have always just been so in my head about like what's the next thing? 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:29.759 What's the next thing? 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:30.720 What's the next thing? 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.799 Because the industry is like a roller coaster. 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.960 You have the best days and then you have the worst days. 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:42.240 And when a gig comes and it's life-changing, you're up here, and then the next day you wake up and you don't have that gig anymore, and you're back down here. 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.839 And you really have to learn how to ride the waves. 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:59.519 And for me, the most beautiful experience um for myself was when I started releasing this project Scars because I started actually being able to relate to so many people in different ways. 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.960 And I I saw this merch that says your damage, it ain't a damn weakness. 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:08.880 And every time I play a show, people will come up to me and talk to me about their life or things that they've been through. 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:10.559 That's awesome. 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:11.680 It's so cool. 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:17.039 And I I've been chasing, I'll be the first one to say that success for so long. 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:21.279 And it wasn't until things started breaking, which we can chat about later. 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.440 Um, for that two-year period in my life, I had I had nothing. 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:28.319 I I didn't have music, I lost control of my music. 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:35.359 And so that really just led to a lot of conversations, to be honest with God, about what I was supposed to be doing with my life. 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:38.880 And when I created this project, I wanted it to be purposeful. 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:51.839 So now I look at it like it's a success to me, and I feel like I'm breaking through if I'm touching someone with my music, or people are coming to me after and you know, telling me their stories and their scars, and it's it's been really beautiful. 00:19:52.160 --> 00:20:00.400 Jacqueline, is there any one particular moment that you recall that something you remember somebody saying to you about how they connected? 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.440 The hardest thing that I had recently, and it was so beautiful. 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:10.079 And I I actually started crying after on stage because it was really difficult to handle. 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:21.839 But this woman had come up to me and she had a wedding ring on her neck, um, on her necklace, and uh I was noticing it while I was singing, and she was very emotional in the audience. 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:36.480 And after I I was saying, I was sitting down, I was packing up all of my stuff, and she came over to me and she just broke down and she's like, I just lost my husband four months ago, and I needed you tonight, and I really needed that song tonight. 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:48.559 And it's the first night that I've been out with any of my friends since this had happened, and there was a reason that I was here, and you kept something in my heart, and I was just trying, and I'm like, that's that's what it's about. 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.160 Like, that's it right there, and uh the coolest moment. 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:54.160 There's a reason that happened, you know. 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:56.799 Yeah, exactly, exactly right. 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:00.079 Um what happened? 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:06.319 You I know you did have a time a couple of years where things happened and you lost your music. 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.759 Can we talk about that a little bit, or is it too no, it's fine. 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:10.799 I was trying to go out. 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:14.640 We're gonna go deep now. 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:19.519 Uh um, but yeah, no, I'll I'll give you the the cold notes for sure. 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.079 So I was on this TV show called Banded. 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:23.440 Yes, they take 25. 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:24.480 You won that, right? 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:26.799 Craig, I don't mean to interrupt, but you you won. 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:27.599 Yeah, okay. 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:28.000 Okay. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:29.759 Yes, I won this TV show. 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:34.559 I was the only Canadian on the show, and um, they take 25 people. 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:40.880 They had this mansion that we lived in in Mount Juliet, Tennessee, and we lived there for 10 weeks. 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:46.720 And for those 10 weeks, you were put in a band with people that you didn't know. 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:59.759 You would have to make songs together, a band name together, you would have to perform at the municipal arena in Nashville in front of a live audience and judges, and record the song and write the song all in a week. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:06.160 So every single week leading up to those 10 weeks, you were just put under the ringer, really. 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.359 And um we ended up winning the show. 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:16.319 It was based on uh different songs of the week that you would have to write and record, and the judges would pick which ones they liked. 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:19.279 And at the end of the show, we got a record deal. 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:26.960 And so unfortunately, um, or unfortunately too, we

were having big hopes for the show. 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:30.640 It was gonna be globally recognized, it was really exciting. 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:32.160 We thought our lives are gonna change forever. 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:37.119 Vince Neal was one of the guest judges, Brandon Jenner was one of uh hosts of the show. 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:41.599 Wendy Starlin, who developed and founded Lady Gaga, was our mentor on the show. 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.599 Like everything was going like my life is gonna change forever. 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.720 My 10-year break in Asheville, this is it, basically. 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:58.799 Um, and then it just went silent, dead silent for about two years, and never had heard back from the record deal. 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:05.599 The show unfortunately didn't go the way they had planned, and it was just a very unfortunate situation for both parties involved. 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:16.240 And um yeah, I couldn't I couldn't release any music during that time, and it was even though they weren't doing anything, you they still had that much control over you. 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:21.680 Uh you weren't allowed to do put your talent out there, you weren't allowed to do that. 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:31.039 No, no, I was in a I was in a spot where I just I was bad until a deal was uh delivered, and unfortunately. 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:37.440 That's two years of wasted time for such a great artist as both of you. 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:38.319 You know? 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:39.920 Yeah, wow. 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.480 So you overcame that though. 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:44.400 Yeah, you put out scars. 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:53.200 I mean, you just you know, and now we got a little bit of uh this is called I wanna. 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:54.640 I'm just gonna play a little bit of it. 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:55.680 Here we go. 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:03.200 I wanna take you to the top of the old town water tower. 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.519 Uh oh, right on the water. 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:14.240 I wanna walk through that old iron bridge right here to catch the biggest fish. 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:19.519 Maybe you can back to take a little Here we go. 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:21.759 Take it off. 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.279 All right, I'm not gonna play the whole thing because I don't want to give it all away. 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.960 And YouTube's gonna yell at me, and Facebook's gonna go, what the hell are you doing? 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:50.000 You're not allowed to do that. 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:52.880 So you'll probably get a notice saying, Did you give this guy permission? 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:54.960 But uh okay, good, good. 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.519 Then we're then we're all good, but I still have to go through all that. 00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:59.839 But uh that is that is unbelievable. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.920 That song, I wanna. 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:11.359 That uh you know, I I hear

music every day, I do this every day, and I'm not just telling you what you want to hear, I'm telling you what's coming from my heart. 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:20.400 I want to play that song, I want to hear more of that song, and I want you two to tell me about that song, who wrote it, how did it come about? 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:23.119 That man up there. 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.279 Wait, I gotta do this way. 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.599 All right, Justin, talk to us. 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:32.319 I had someone that I was starstruck over, you know. 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.079 And my name's Justin Love. 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:44.480 I mean, I might I fall in love pretty fast and pretty hard whenever I do, but this person I've been friends with for a hot second and a half, and she was a songwriter and artist as well. 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:52.640 And just one day, whenever I was at Listening Room Cafe playing on stage, I just saw the the Miley Cyrus moment in the movie. 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:59.359 She's she's walking out in the field and she turns real slow and everything just slow motion, it happened to me. 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:05.440 And the very first thing that popped in my head was, I want to tell you that you're beautiful in more ways than the obvious. 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:10.799 And after that, I had the melody hit me for the most part. 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.799 Um, and I didn't have any words, I just had I wanna, you know. 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:21.279 Um, and then my buddy Troy Castellano came in and was like, Man, I'm I'm I'm digging this. 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:26.079 I said, I hope so, because if you don't like it, then I'm gonna have to go find someone else that wants to write it, you know. 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:33.839 And then, you know, after me and Troy got together and met Jacqueline, and she was like, I love this song. 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.279 And she was kind of the one that decided that it should be a duet. 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.759 And then because of her, we turned it into one, Dago. 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.680 Well, I think that's a plot. 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:48.160 I mean, right there, when you have the two voices coming to, I mean, you know, voices go together well, it's it's a rock and tune, but it's country. 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.880 Uh it's yeah, it's perfect. 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.000 It's she annihilated the vocals in the studio. 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:58.319 I was like, holy fudge nuggets, nuggets of fudge, and everything else and such. 00:26:58.480 --> 00:26:59.839 She really tore it up. 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:01.200 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:02.640 The blend is insane. 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.720 The people that I talk to all the time about say that song is just a whole next level. 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:22.319 So I was like, but that's because you know, you think about it, her name is Jacqueline King, and she is well known in the you know the Canadian side of things,

you know, and that whole bandit thing, we knew each other and during her whole bandit thing. 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:28.400 And you know, it was that there was that moment when she wasn't able to, you know, express her art and her thing. 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:33.759 And we had already, you know, kind of decided we were gonna do this duet, but it was put on hold. 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:34.640 But you know what? 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.799 God has a way of working things out, how he chooses to, when he chooses to. 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.359 So who am I to judge and who am I to question? 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.240 This is crazy. 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:43.440 This is crazy good. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.880 Perfect timing, like, and it was such a crazy story. 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:51.680 But I remember the one time like Justin and I were in the studio and and we were going through the song. 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.799 We've just both looked at each other and we're like, Yep, this is that's it. 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:04.000 Do you feel that when you hear something and you just you you don't have to say a word, you can just look at each other and go, This is it, yeah. 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:06.400 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:07.759 Especially with this song. 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.240 Like when we started doing the harmonies, we're like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:17.599 Because I'm a I'm a stickler when it comes to harmonies, and if someone ain't blending, I won't fall, I won't feel it. 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.079 I'll I'll there'll be mystery in the chemistry. 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.640 There was no mystery left in this chemistry, I promise. 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.119 That that is that is so cool. 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:29.440 Have um I I know you have grassroots working it for you, yeah. 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.039 Uh, and by the way, they're the best. 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.000 You know, I'm just gonna tell you, I know everybody there, they're the best. 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.279 Nancy and the whole crew. 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:37.599 I mean, everybody, Katie, Shannon was there. 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.519 Um, she moved on now, but still, they are the best. 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:42.400 They are the best. 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:50.480 They're they're musicians and they're radio people, and they know where to point you, how to point you in that right direction, and they work with you. 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:51.200 They're so good. 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.039 So lucky with them. 00:28:53.200 --> 00:29:03.200 Like, and they uh the thing that was exciting about them was right from the first time that we had emailed them this song, they were so excited about it, and that's what we wanted. 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.279 Like, we just wanted someone to love it as much as we did. 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:06.720 I think they did. 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.920 I know I am, and I just heard it for the first time here not too long ago. 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:10.799 So thank you. 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:12.240 That's pretty cool. 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:24.559 Um what did you learn from uh you know, you guys have had the opportunity to be around some incredibly talented writers, musicians, industry people at this point. 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.920 What did you learn from being in those rooms with those people? 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.160 Ladies first. 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:32.240 Thanks. 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.960 Um I would say, well, a couple things. 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:46.559 I think the the coolest thing at the end of the day is that whether you're a new writer starting out or you're one of the biggest writers, the process is the exact same. 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:52.799 And that's just really cool and really exciting because you just don't know when the magic's gonna come in the room and hit. 00:29:53.119 --> 00:30:03.599 We wake up with an idea or we, you know, just have a really good day where we collaborate, and then a song gets written, and then everyone goes home and they do their thing. 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:11.759 It's like it's not some special, you know, format that only like these elite people can can grasp onto. 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:13.200 Anyone can grasp onto it. 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:18.960 And the coolest thing is that the magic's in everyone's hands, you just don't know when it's gonna spark and when it's gonna happen. 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:20.400 And we're all looking for it. 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.319 I was gonna say that's the magic. 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:23.039 That's it, man. 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:24.559 That that's how you know you went. 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.160 I mean, just Justin Love. 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.599 By the way, you know how many radio people have that name, Justin Love. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.559 Really? 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.079 Probably a lot. 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:39.920 No, I I'm pretty sure I know there's been a few, but uh well, I know there's another artist in town named Justin Love, but he's uh really RB. 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:40.640 RMB. 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:41.599 He just moved here. 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:42.160 Yeah. 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.279 Yeah, I could see that being an RB. 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:45.759 Okay. 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.079 Yeah, but either way, I want to meet him. 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:57.279 Either way, I want to meet him and let's just exchange our driver's licenses because that's my actual name, and I'm very grateful. 00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:57.839 Is it? 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:01.599 I I mean I'm not gonna pick if it is if it isn't, but no, that's very cool. 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:02.240 That's amazing. 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:03.680 Very cool. 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.200 That's very cool. 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:05.839 How many? 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.359 Let's talk about your family a little bit.

00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.200 Uh Jaclyn, are you like an only child or do you got siblings? 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.519 I have a little brother and he's my best friend, and it's so awesome. 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.039 Yeah, it's so fun. 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:17.759 I love it. 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:19.599 Does he visit or does he live there? 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.839 Yeah, he and he's he's funny. 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:29.039 He really doesn't love music because he's been submerged in it since I've been a kid, but it's funny because like I know he actually does. 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.720 Like he'll be in the back of the car and I'll be like sharing songs and he's singing along, or he's like, Oh, I like it. 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.720 He never says, like, oh, I love this song. 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.680 She's like, I like it. 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:39.279 He keeps me humble, it's good. 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.559 Yeah, I love that. 00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.160 And then your mom and dad. 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.759 Yeah, and then mom and dad. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.119 Cool, and very cool. 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.200 I've been married for forever now, 20, 29 years. 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:50.319 Oh, there you go. 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:51.359 Yeah, yeah. 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:52.880 When you think about it, there you go. 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.720 Um, Justin, what about you? 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.799 I know you've been doing this for a little bit, but uh are you the only musician in your family? 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:01.680 You got siblings? 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.640 What's the deal? 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.000 Uh, I got two sisters, I'm smack dab in the middle of both of them. 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.359 Oh, you poor guy. 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:11.200 Oh, it was at first, but you know what? 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.720 I'm grateful for both of them now. 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.480 And I don't give a flying flip nugget. 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:22.480 Um, my parents, my parents were together for 26 years, and then there was, you know, a divorce involved, but then my dad, my dad met someone hilariously enough. 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.559 God has a real sense of humor with the last name weed. 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:33.440 And so I now have weed and love in my life without having to really worry about touching the stuff, you know. 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:40.720 Um nobody cares, but yeah, they they've been together for a while now, and you know, I'm my mom's still in my life. 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.240 You know, we everybody's just so close knit, and my that's awesome. 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.920 My I'm the only one in the family that continued doing music, yes. 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:53.440 Let me ask uh Jackie or Jacqueline, you first, if you weren't doing music, what do you think you'd be doing? 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.319 Something in music still, for sure. 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:58.799 Um I I love teaching kids. 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.799 I love expiring or inspiring. 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:01.359 Wow. 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.839 I love inspiring the next generation. 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.480 Yeah, you can expire the generation too, I guess. 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.359 Um, but yeah, inspiring the next generation. 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.359 And uh yeah, I'd probably do something in like production. 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:14.240 I love production. 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:14.880 Oh, do you? 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.000 Do you like playing with all the different sounds? 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.319 Do you go on Pro Tools and kind of do your thing, do your magic? 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.799 Yeah, yeah, like that's a talent, you know. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.440 My whole uh record that just came out. 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.119 So I very cool. 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:35.599 Yeah, you know, that's a talent in itself, but what you're hearing and mixing it down and putting it all together. 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:41.519 And if you know how to operate Pro Tools, yes, that's a big plus, but it's the best. 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.000 Yeah, it is the best, and it's fun because you just throw your vision onto it, you know. 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:47.200 Yeah, no, exactly right. 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.640 What about you, Justin? 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:54.559 First off, I'm a logic pro guy, just because Logic Pro, it just makes sense. 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.319 Just like all that to say, okay. 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:09.199 Yeah, if I was if I was not doing this, I'd probably be either a motivational speaker of some sort because I love encouraging and uplifting people, absolutely. 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:10.559 Yeah, it's in my blood. 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:11.440 I love that. 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:12.320 I love that. 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:18.719 You know, um, for both of you, your music has moved through country into a harder rock edge, which we talked about and we hear it. 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:25.519 Was that a a conscious decision, or was it simply you finally making the music that felt most natural for you guys? 00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.039 Ladies first. 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:30.400 We're not gonna get over this one. 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.519 I'm just gonna answer offer my ex's help. 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.360 Yeah, I would say, you know, I played it safe for so long in Nashville. 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:53.280 I tried to fit into this box that didn't feel authentic to me just because I felt like that's what radio wanted, um, or that's what people wanted or labels wanted, and I was the most miserable I'd ever been and not creative at all. 00:34:53.519 --> 00:35:05.280 And um, after that period with the show, and I really did self-reflecting and tried to figure out who I was as an artist, I was like, I'm just so tired of trying to make everyone else happy, and I'm miserable. 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:15.760 So I

dived in and I started writing uh from this place, and just naturally that rock edge and that grit just came back, and I'm like, I'm never, I'm never leaving that again. 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.280 Like, this is it's who I am. 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.400 And chances are that's because of the way you were brought up as well. 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.840 Having that, you know, that music in the background at home. 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.119 Absolutely journey and those elements, too. 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.280 It makes you feel like a different person. 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:40.320 Like, I I think for myself, I've always been like such a just very calm, quiet person off stage. 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.800 Like, I'm very in extroverted when I'm around people. 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:58.079 I love talking to people, but when I'm by myself, like I really just want to be on my own and recharge and um that music, especially for myself when I was younger, when I would listen to a rock song, I would just get empowered and I'd feel like a different person and I would want to be that person. 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.280 So on stage I was that person, but at home I wasn't. 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:07.599 And it took me a really long time to try to get that baby Jacqueline Kenyon to now Jaclyn Kenyon together. 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.800 Um, and I finally feel like now my personality is matched up with that style and that sound. 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:20.559 Do you think it's safe to say that um you know you don't want the industry to put you into one box? 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:25.280 You want to be yourself, you want to do your own thing, and it could change tomorrow, maybe. 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.480 You just want to have that that independency to be able to do what you want. 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.159 And maybe that's why you're staying as an independent artist, because I think that's a that's there's nothing wrong with that. 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:37.280 100%. 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:53.920 I'm at a spot now where like I've chased all the fancy label deals and fancy management, and I'm just at a spot now in my life and my career where I just want the right team of people that love the music and that believe in my project so much because at the end of the day, that's that's all that matters. 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.119 You're like you're getting into a marriage with these people, basically. 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:57.599 Yeah. 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.119 Um, so it's that's what's gonna shine through at the end of the day. 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:06.320 Do you think you're closer now than ever before to the artist you've always wanted to be? 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:07.119 100%. 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.000 I'm not the same person that you've made those decisions for yourself. 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:28.559 Yeah, I can honestly say I actually just had a meeting the other day with um someone in town, and I remember sitting in that chair about 10 years ago, and I actually was thinking I am not even close to the same person that I was before. 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:29.840 And you feel good about it. 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:32.400 Yes, this is happening. 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:33.599 Yep, absolutely. 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.679 Do you what about social media? 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.559 Um, you know how it's completely changed how artists build their careers? 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.280 Uh has it made out of the frame? 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:44.320 I know, I know. 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:50.880 Has that made uh being an independent artist easier or has it actually made things more exhausting? 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.079 I think it's harder. 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:53.119 What do you think, Justin? 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:54.400 Yeah, either one of you. 00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:54.880 Talk to me. 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:56.480 Thousand per daggum cent. 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:56.880 Why? 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:02.400 Because you're having to fight the algorithm every daggum day, every daggum minute. 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.480 It's it's frustrating because it's a guessing game. 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:12.000 Like people say there's a formula, you gotta have a hook, and you're like, well, we're songwriters, we have hooks, you know? 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:21.679 And and so it's it's fun trying to find ways to be serious without being too silly or too dumb. 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.760 But it seems like that's the stuff that really pushes. 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.000 And then Nick's like, Scott Hellman, okay? 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.880 You watch that guy's videos and you know him the Mr. 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:33.519 Record player, but it starts off with him karate chopping something and then it goes into his video. 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:35.679 It sparks curiosity. 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:44.559 So I mean, yeah, I appreciate it, but I'm like, I don't want to be a content creator, I want to be a music creator, but in this day and age, you have to be a content creator as well. 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:46.960 I was gonna say that, that you have to do it. 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.440 You pretty much have to do it if you're gonna even compete with the best, you've got to do it. 00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:52.320 It's crazy. 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.320 Do you guys do all your own? 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.400 Yeah, I do, Justin. 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:58.320 Yeah, crazy. 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:00.719 So crazy. 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.440 Another layer and like another thing to learn. 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:09.119 Well, I mean, at the end of the day, you have to do what you you have to do, and if that's where it's going, then sure. 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.719 Like, I'll I'll do it. 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.599 I'm I'm such a workhorse when it comes to music. 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.440 Like, you tell me where to go, I'm just gonna do it. 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:17.599 Yeah, thank

you. 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:34.960 But at the same time, it's like, oh, like I'd rather be investing time into creating more music, and like I'd rather have someone film me and like get all of that done, and I'll do it so that I can go get more music because that's what's what's ultimately driving it. 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:36.480 So yeah, it's exhausting. 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.159 I got you. 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.519 Totally got you. 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:45.360 Um so on a day where you say, you know what, I don't want to write, I don't want to do any of this. 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:46.079 What do you do? 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.880 What do you do when you just want to put everything down for a day? 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.280 Maybe just get a breath of fresh air, so to speak. 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:52.719 Just kind of take a step back. 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:53.360 What do you do? 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:53.920 Do you run? 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:54.480 Do you walk? 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:55.360 Do you play sports? 00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.599 Do you what's your life like when it on one of those days? 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:02.320 I guess nothing. 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:02.880 Okay. 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.119 Um I love meeting people. 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.199 I love getting coffee with artists. 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.119 I love getting coffee with my friends. 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:16.320 Uh, I believe that even my co-writers, though, I love solidifying that connection a little bit more. 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:18.559 Not everything has to be music related. 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.440 I get you. 00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.760 And so I really like hanging out with my friends. 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.360 I love supporting other people. 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:31.599 Um, I love going to the rounds and just saying hi to people, just just to just to immerse myself in the chaos, even though I'm not doing anything myself musically. 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:32.320 Just going it. 00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.079 I still love supporting. 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.280 And then if I'm not doing that, I'm probably hanging with my best friend at a bar. 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:38.000 There you go. 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:39.920 No, and and sparking some conversation. 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:40.480 That's cool. 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.559 Oh, just hanging, just talking, just hanging. 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:42.800 Yeah. 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:48.880 And I honestly do everything other than music on those days because that's just my time to clear my brain. 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:59.760 Like I'm shopping or I'm with friends, or I'm petting a cute horse on the side of the road, like anything that basically says are you a are you a horse person? 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:00.559 Oh, yes. 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.159 I so I grew up on a farm. 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.079 I had two horses, yeah. 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.000 And my parents sold it when

I was in grade seven. 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.280 So yeah, I have a little bit of resentment towards that. 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.679 But have you thought about maybe down the road? 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:22.719 Because you're still young, and it looks like you're right on the edge of doing something really big here, and then kind of saying, Okay, now I can go, I can get my I can get my horse farm. 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.239 I can get my heaven. 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:24.880 I don't know. 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.559 I don't I live in the city here. 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:31.360 I I don't know, but no, no, I'm actually I'm in the suburbs, but still, you know what I mean? 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.320 That you can have some horses and maybe sponsors. 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.679 So those are the little things with the big necks, right? 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.480 Yeah, with like the super ugly faces. 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.239 Yeah, like I think personally it's the funniest thing. 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.639 Like if they're so ugly that they're cute, and I just I want them. 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.280 Like, my dream is to like come home one day and they're just like on a truck bed coming to me. 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.719 Well, you know, I don't think that's I don't think that's weird. 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.239 Justin may, but I don't think it's weird to each their daggone. 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:06.480 Yeah, I know people that love cats. 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.320 I know people that love cows and pigs, and you know, it's like and I'm like, okay. 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.039 Yeah, or like the little Highland cows, you know. 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.039 Yeah, all the yes, yes. 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.280 Yeah, yeah, they are kind of cute, actually. 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.119 They are, they are, yeah. 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.280 So um I didn't know everything. 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.639 What things get frustrating and what keeps you going? 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.480 Justin, do you want to answer this one first? 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:33.840 No, you want me to answer? 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:35.920 He's pointing, he's pointing to you. 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.239 When do things get frustrating? 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.440 Yeah, when do things get frustrating and when uh what keeps you going when that happens? 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:45.920 When do things get frustrating? 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:58.719 I think things get frustrating when we put way too much um fear over faith when we try to just navigate um a plan that might not even be there for us. 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:07.920 And I've caught myself getting into that so many times where I'm just so overwhelmed and anxious, and I have to just take a step back and be like, it's because I'm not just enjoying the moment. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.039 I'm trying to predict something that might not even happen. 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:24.000 And um, I that's that's when I I've realized that that's my time to really figure myself out and have to sit down and and be in my word more or pray more because that's me going a whole different direction. 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:29.280 And um, it's it's kind of a trigger for me when that anxiety and that fear start coming up. 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:33.039 So I would say for myself, that's uh a big thing for me. 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:40.400 And I'm always trying to catch myself doing that and um and coming back to where I need to be because it happens all the time. 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.119 You have to constantly get yourself back in check. 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:44.880 Yeah, Justin. 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:59.519 Uh the frustration, I guess, for me would be sometimes, you know, and it happens to everybody, but you gonna I ask God to help me not get envious of other people and watching them you know get the opportunities that I'm not getting, you know, and you know. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.840 The the doubt kind of starts setting in. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.039 Am I doing something wrong? 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.440 Am I just, you know, do I need a course correct? 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:14.320 And uh, you know, watching deals fall through, you know, you have these opportunities, and then you know, but we serve a God who's all about mystery. 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:18.320 And just because it's not so obvious doesn't make it less evident. 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:23.519 And so, you know, the the the the prime example is what happens, what happened to me recently. 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.239 I I play guitar for a lot of people in town. 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.679 I'm I'm a higher gun, I sing harmonies, I do that. 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:37.360 Cool, but even just taking that space, like uh last week I was talking to God, I'm like, why is this happening to everybody else? 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.719 And no sooner did I say that, you know, I'm frustrated. 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:47.440 The very next morning I get a call asking if I want to play guitar for an artist at the Grand Opera. 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:48.320 Oh, wow. 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:57.440 And even though I'm not the center piece, I'm the side man that's just as important to make sure that person doesn't get off. 00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.199 And it's God saying, You weren't questioning my motive. 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:02.239 I got you. 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:03.039 I got you. 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:04.639 And being on that stage, you're right. 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.199 Yeah, that's it works, it works out how it's supposed to. 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.360 And who am I to even doubt him? 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:10.960 My gosh, he's gotten me this far. 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.159 Well, I exactly. 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:12.800 No, 100%. 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:13.440 100%. 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:23.519 And you're right to be on that stage, you know, if it wasn't for the musicians that stand

behind the uh the headliner or the the lead vocalist, I mean they wouldn't be anywhere. 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:25.840 Yeah, so it's the trust constantly in him. 00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:32.320 So the frustration is the fact that it's happening to everybody else, but then it's also when it's passion, nothing's gonna stop you. 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:40.639 Someone saying no, because what she was saying earlier about the the whole uh the dynamic of these people coming up to her saying your song, I needed that. 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:46.159 You know, you can impress someone for a moment or you can impact them for a lifetime. 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.440 That's impact, and that's what you're gonna love this. 00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:50.639 You're gonna love this question. 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.239 What was the last thing that really made you mad? 00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:57.760 Hmm. 00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.239 Last thing that really made me mad. 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.119 You know what? 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.000 I would say I'm waiting. 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:12.960 Um I'm gonna say in in terms of the music industry, because I see this quite a bit and it does make me mad. 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:32.079 Um but it's the the lack of appreciation for opportunities, and I feel like it happens a lot, and I see it a lot, and um I everything I do now because I didn't before is a hundred percent. 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:58.639 I try to do everything at a hundred percent, and I try my best, and you know, some days I don't feel great and I I don't want to put on a smiley face and do it, but I'm gonna try with the most energy that I can that day because I remember looking at the CMA awards when I was younger and seeing um, I don't, I won't share who it is, but a particular artist up there that you could just tell wasn't giving their all. 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.400 And I was like, I would die for that opportunity. 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.360 Yes, yeah, up there doing that, and it just it upset me so much. 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.239 And so just in the industry with anything, like give a hundred percent. 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.960 Um, because I get it, I get it. 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:22.239 Yeah, it's so frustrating to me because there's people that would absolutely die to do this, and we work so hard every single day. 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.480 You are so into it, and I love that. 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:33.280 I can tell just by asking that question and the answer you just gave me tells me that you're so passionate and so dedicated for your craft and what you do. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.480 I just I I respect it, I really do. 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.960 And I've had uh lucky to do it. 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:46.559 Artists come on and say, Yeah, some guy cut me off on you know the highway by Demon Boro Street or whatever that street is. 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:48.480 Demembrion, Demembrion. 00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.280 That's what I first called it when I moved to town too. 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.199 You know, I know that's that's why I said it because I knew I'd get a response. 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:58.559 Um, but you're right. 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:06.400 The first time I was in town, God knows how many years ago, uh, I was like, what's this Demon Borough, Demon, Demon something street? 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.880 Demembrion, Demembry. 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:10.559 Yeah, yeah. 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:11.679 No, that that's funny. 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.159 That's funny. 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.880 But I was waiting, uh I thought I'd get that type of response. 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.880 But what about you, Mr. 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:18.000 Justin Love? 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:23.119 For me, it's the lack of support for other for each other. 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:33.119 I mean, it's it's this this this there's an appreciation for the certain people that come out your community, but then it becomes very it comes it becomes very clickish really quick. 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:39.440 And a lot of the rounds that you want to get into, if you're not in that click, you're probably not gonna get picked. 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.559 So then you have to kind of feel like you gotta partially, you know, kiss ass, you know, or something like that. 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.079 And in reality, that's the only thing that frustrates me. 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:48.880 But you know what? 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:54.480 You immerse yourself in the chaos of it long enough, someone's gonna bump into you, and then that's your opportunity. 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.519 So that would be the thing that made me mad. 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.920 So I think I love those answers. 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.880 I mean, that is so so good, so good. 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:11.840 Um, so with I wanna come into radio, I mean, I have good feelings about that song. 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:14.400 And uh where are we going with the music? 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:15.360 Where what's next? 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.599 Where where do you want to see yourself in five years? 00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:18.960 Let me put it that way. 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:41.360 Yeah, so on this project in particular, there is nobody else that I'd rather partner to do a duet than with Justin because it was just Justin has gone through so much in his career, his life, and like myself, has been grinding so hard in this industry with not enough recognition. 00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:52.000 And it was one of those things where I just when everything was happening and I was going through songs to try to see what I wanted to do to kind of make a reintroduction into Nashville in a way. 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.360 I was just there and it just kept popping up and I kept listening to it no matter where I was. 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:06.800 I was driving a car or I was, you know, out with friends, and it just felt right to message Justin and be

like, this is the right time for this song. 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:11.119 And um when I did message him, he's like, I didn't think you wanted to do it. 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:12.639 I'm like, of course I want to do it. 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.159 It just it wasn't it wasn't the right time, and I and I couldn't. 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:19.679 And so when we started talking about that, everything just changed. 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:27.440 But where I'm going with that is duet-wise, this song is is supposed to happen and this collaboration is supposed to happen. 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.239 And Justin and I are so excited with all the support we've gotten. 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.480 And if that leads to more opportunities with the both of us doing something, then we will take it. 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.199 There's no door that we're shutting at all. 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:51.760 Um, but on my personal level as an artist, I hope to be playing arenas and doing this my whole entire life and just just inspiring the next generation as much as I can through the scars that I've been through, and hopefully that can touch other people. 00:50:51.920 --> 00:51:02.320 And um, as long as I feel purposeful at night doing that, making music that makes me happy and relates to other people, I'm good because I will never do that again. 00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.920 Or I was living in Nashville just trying to write a song to make it a hit. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.440 That was the most unfulfilling thing. 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.000 Who does your who does your booking? 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.760 I do everything right now, absolutely everything. 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.519 And uh it's exhausting. 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.599 So a team that's where I was going with this. 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.079 Yes, I'm currently looking for all of that right now. 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.440 Yeah, well, you know, you might be able to hire a staff pretty soon. 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:28.239 I'm just saying, it just keeps us going, and uh it's it's amazing. 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:34.239 Um, quickly, either one of you can answer this Nashville or Los Angeles, because you spend time in LA, right? 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:36.719 Yes, we didn't talk about that. 00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.639 I just happened to see it here on my notes. 00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.760 But uh quickly, what did you what was in LA? 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:50.960 That's so I had gone down to LA for the first time at 18 or 19, and I was working at Howard Benson Studios down there with Mike Plutnikov. 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.360 So they did like the get a grip record, Aerosmith. 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:54.400 Yeah, so cool. 00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.079 Yeah, um, and I was in an artist development deal with them at the time doing rock. 00:51:58.559 --> 00:51:59.039 Oh, cool. 00:51:59.199 --> 00:51:59.679 Gotcha. 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:00.079 All right. 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.639 So I was writing down there and submerging myself with it. 00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:05.760 All right, with that being said, Nashville or LA? 00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:06.960 Nashville. 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:07.679 Alright. 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.519 Justin, LA. 00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:11.199 Oh, I see this is the end. 00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:13.840 Trying to do an end, uh, I saw the end. 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:14.880 I saw the end. 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.639 Writing or performing? 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:18.639 Performing. 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:20.159 Performing. 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:21.280 Okay. 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.760 Small intimate club or huge festival stage. 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.639 Massive big time. 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:32.000 Massive, yes. 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.840 Uh country song you'll never get tired of. 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:40.719 A country song I'll never get tired of? 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:41.280 Yeah, yeah. 00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:43.119 A country song that you'll never get tired of. 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:44.880 I told you I was gonna ask some weird questions. 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:45.679 Yeah, man. 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:48.159 What is it? 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:49.679 Man, I feel like a woman. 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:50.639 I love my song. 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:52.719 Let go. 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:54.960 Do you do that in your shows? 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:55.519 I do. 00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:56.320 Do you do the cover? 00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:56.800 I love it. 00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:57.440 I love it. 00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:57.760 All right. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:58.719 My favorite. 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:00.639 Probably long hot summer. 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.000 Oh, Keith Urban. 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:02.800 Yeah, all right. 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.360 What do you think? 00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:05.119 You know that was written with Richard Marks. 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:06.159 Yes, yes. 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:12.320 And and talking about Keith Urban, the yacht rock is phenomenal. 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:12.960 Yes. 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:17.440 Uh, you know, we we were playing uh Summer Breeze for a little bit off that. 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.800 Uh, and um I know the old player song. 00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.880 Um oh gosh. 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:24.639 Anyways, they're all good on that album. 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.679 It's like they were just messing around and look what happened. 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.480 Yeah, he got to he got to do one with Michael McDonald. 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.199 I'm like, wow, yes, yes, you know. 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:34.159 Um, all right. 00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.280 Uh rock song, you'll turn up every single time. 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:40.320 Rock song? 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:41.280 A rock song. 00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:42.559 Runch song, okay. 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.840 Rock song um have a nice day by Bon Jovi. 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:46.559 Ooh. 00:53:46.960 -->

00:53:49.280 Ooh, don't stop the leave in journey. 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:50.719 Oh yeah, oh yeah. 00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:53.039 That's a wedding song. 00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:01.360 Folks, it's the last song of the night, and you know, don't say that's the last song of the night. 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:02.639 That's how I end things sometimes. 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:03.280 It's hilarious. 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:04.239 Is it really? 00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:04.719 Yeah. 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:05.440 That's awesome. 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.840 I'm like, oh, and that's it. 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:09.760 I loved it. 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:11.840 I I I definitely want to see you sometime. 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.480 Uh, first concert you ever attended. 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.480 Actually, Britney Spears was the very first concert I ever met. 00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:20.000 Yeah. 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:21.599 I was like six. 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.320 I don't think it was Britney for Justin. 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.719 Uh a Christian artist who's no longer with us, but his name's Carmen. 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:29.440 Okay. 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:30.159 All right. 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:31.039 Very cool. 00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:32.239 Very cool. 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:36.800 Uh if you uh an artist you would stand in line to meet. 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:38.400 Richard Marks. 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.679 There you go. 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:40.719 That was quick. 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:42.719 I got her thinking. 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.199 Recently, Elle Langley. 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.800 I just love Richelieu. 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:48.639 I think she's the sweetest little thing. 00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:50.239 She is very sweet, very nice. 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:51.840 Yeah, uh, she's very nice. 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:52.960 She's very sweet. 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.960 She's no doubt a superstar. 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:03.440 Um we didn't even I know I this is more about you than it is about me, but still we did a a uh a show last week. 00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.079 We had um Dylan Marlowe. 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:11.840 Oh, and uh somebody came up to me and said, Do you know uh Ella Langley was here a few years ago? 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:12.559 I go, What? 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.000 And they show me pictures. 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.079 It didn't even look like her, but it was her. 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:21.760 I mean, the kids said Ella Langley, she didn't have the bangs, her hair was you know parted in the middle. 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:23.840 I'm going, Are you kidding me? 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:29.679 So yeah, it's like I remind she opened up for Randy Hauser in this little club here in central New York. 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.480 So it's like you know what I don't like about Ella? 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:40.480 She's got too many songs at the same time on the radio because people like me that have to program the radio station.

00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:42.719 It's like I got Ella here. 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:50.239 Oh, I got Ella here, but then I gotta move Ella here and maybe move somebody else up here, and then it's like, oh, but I love the music. 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.159 All kidding aside, it's so good. 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:52.800 It's so good. 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:53.920 It's so good. 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.280 Uh song you would wish you uh had written, song you wish you had written. 00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:07.280 Man, I should have known better by Richard Marks. 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.119 I love it. 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:12.719 Um, I would say Better Man by Taylor Swift. 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:13.519 Oh, wow. 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:14.800 Are you a Swifty? 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:21.519 I wouldn't call myself a full Swifty just because I submerge myself in so many different genres. 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:25.679 Like, I feel like I'm not really uh any but at least like I'm okay. 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:26.239 No, I get it. 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:27.119 I get it, I get it. 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:34.719 But um, but I love her music, and that song in particular, I think, is just so brilliantly written, and she's amazing. 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:36.079 She's an amazing woman. 00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.039 She's incredible, she's incredible, nicest person, too. 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:45.599 I I think um I gave her her first or second radio interview ever, and she was only like 17 years old. 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.079 I still have the thank you card over here on the wall. 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:52.880 Um and I I am not getting rid of that thank you card. 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.039 That is so cool. 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:56.639 It's very cool. 00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:01.679 All right, before we close, one word that describes where you are in your life right now. 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.280 It's a hard one. 00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:07.199 One word. 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:11.760 Was that a word? 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:12.800 Yeah. 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:18.559 Oh goodness. 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:20.000 I know, see, that's a hard one. 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:20.800 That's a hard one. 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:21.440 But that's all right. 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:22.880 You don't have to answer it. 00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:23.599 You still pass it. 00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:25.440 I got it free. 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:26.000 Free? 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:28.480 I can see all right. 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:32.800 Yeah, I feel I feel free in my in my music, free in myself. 00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:37.039 Just like I just I feel yeah, I love that for you. 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:40.079 Supported. 00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.719 You are absolutely, absolutely. 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.320 We all are in all the best ways, all the best people, thank God. 00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.239 You know, it's been Skip Happens tonight. 00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:57.039 I've been talking to uh Jaclyn

Kenyon and Justin Love, and you gotta check out the song because it sounds something like this. 00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.400 I'm gonna yell at it again, but I'm gonna play it again because I love it. 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:02.239 I love it. 00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.760 And if you don't have, we're gonna tell you how you can get this. 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:06.320 Hang on. 00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.840 Take you to the top of the old town water tower. 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:15.039 Uh oh, right on the wall and guilty. 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.960 I wanna walk you through that old iron bridge, right here to catch the biggest fish. 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:28.960 Maybe you take a little bit. 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:51.119 And I want to be able to go, that's I wanna. 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:56.159 It's uh Jacqueline uh Kenyon along with Justin Love on 92.1 the wolf. 00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:57.039 And uh, you know what? 00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.559 If you like that, you need to call me, you need to tell me, and we need to play it a whole lot more. 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.800 Um, I don't know where where that came from. 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.239 I'm sorry, I just lost my mind. 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.519 We appreciate the support, truly. 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:11.199 We love the song, and it's nice to know that everybody else is loving it just as much. 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.039 Yeah, well, I I think you're onto something here. 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:22.000 You got good people working for you, you got a good team when it comes to the public, you know, helping out with uh sending it to radio and all that grassroots is great. 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.559 You two are very talented, obviously. 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.119 Um, I think you have a quite the future ahead of you. 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:33.199 I want to say thank you for coming on Skip Happens and uh you know Jacqueline Kenyon and Justin Love. 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:37.119 I didn't expect that guy, but he's here, so he popped in. 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.960 I went, You're not Jacqueline. 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:42.800 Unless there was something I didn't know. 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.840 But no, it's it's all good. 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.480 But I want to say thank you to both uh for being here tonight. 00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:49.679 It's Skip Happens. 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:54.960 And if you've enjoyed this uh interview, we we always try to have fun, that's why it's it's Skip Happens. 00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:00.960 Um, tell your friends about it, subscribe, go to YouTube, and just give us a uh you know, a little click on the button there. 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:03.199 And if you want to support it, you can do that as well. 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.280 Most importantly, you check out the music, and where can they get the music? 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:09.679 Everywhere, everywhere. 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:11.840 Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon. 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:19.119 Um, we're constantly posting reels and we're getting together and doing more, so there's just gonna be constant promotion for this song. 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:19.920 I love it. 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.760 And that that re that you know, look up scars, look up all the tracks that are there. 01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:27.920 You can find them on YouTube, and you'll see also I wanna is on that list too. 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:29.119 So yes, absolutely. 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:30.559 Make sure you get it. 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:31.679 Thank you for watching, everybody. 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:33.440 It's been another edition of Skip Happens. 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:35.280 Thank you to both of you for being here tonight. 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:36.400 Thank you for having us.