התמלול המלא של Shift Stirrers – Michellè Benson-Find inspiration with the eyes of a child

focusing on a very small point, which when I photograph my work, I'm concentrating on where the light is coming from. 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:04.319 But it means like you're taking photos of very small leaves or little spiders or things like that. 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:06.639 And I actually found that very interesting. 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:20.319 The course was more about how to use your camera, and a lot of people were taking you know sunsets, and I was taking the little flowers and little things rather than actually the big things. 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:25.120 So it's become something that I want to do more and more of, and I find it very inspiring. 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:26.000 Interesting. 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.480 And so the did you say red crabs? 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.759 I think they were in a video you sent us, they were fantastic. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:36.560 Yeah, I've got a photo that I'll put up here that's Mark had one on his back. 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:41.920 I didn't want to hold them because I'm I'm a bit nervous with spiders, so to me they're a bit spider-ish. 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.240 But I love them, and in fact, I fell in love with them whilst I was there. 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.279 So our question, what stopped you in your tracks? 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.160 Would that be the red crabs or was there anything else? 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.160 Everything stopped me in my tracks. 00:05:54.319 --> 00:06:07.680 I think every day that the course was so good that every day is a tiny little island, but it's 63, I think, percent of it is actual a national wildlife park. 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.160 And of the ocean it's the same amount. 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:24.000 So we were going to places with someone who knew the island extremely well, had photographed the island and has won awards with his photography, not just of Christmas Island, but all over the world. 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:37.600 And so every day we went to a different place and saw, um, I think there's about there's a lot of endemic animals on Christmas Island, which are animals that are only found on Christmas Island, and a lot of them are endangered. 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:41.360 So the course he took us to lots of different things. 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.959 Like one day I was inspired by little endangered lizards. 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:59.199 We went and had a lecture on them, and we had to help find the eggs, and I found a little lizard egg in these endangered species tanks because they're trying to to stop them being endangered by breeding them in captivity for a while. 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:08.240 Another day I watched uh Chris, who was a uh photographer, actually they have a bird called is it uh the booby bird? 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:14.959 And this bird, once it lands on the ground, it can't actually get take flight from the ground. 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.639 It needs to take flight from a tree. 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.800 And so

uh I was has it got blue feet? 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:22.720 Blue booby boobs. 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.079 Some of them some of them have red, and I think some of them had red feet. 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:31.839 So there's a red-footed booby and a brown booby, and yeah, there's all sorts of different boobies. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:41.199 Anyway, so he actually got this bird to s to to get onto a a big stick, and then he ran down the road, and then the bird could fly. 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:51.040 And I didn't take photos of it, but that was actually a beautiful moment where you know he'd actually saved this bird from being on the ground and and things like that. 00:07:51.279 --> 00:08:01.279 So every day I was inspired by nature and what was you know, blowholes, taking photos of water droplets, things like that. 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:06.079 Just yeah, so Rosemary, it was like a everything stopped me in my tracks. 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:07.920 Yeah, it was magical. 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:09.920 Yes, what a wonderful trip. 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:14.879 And then we talk about colour and texture and shape and that sort of thing. 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:21.920 So you've talked through some of those and the water droplets, the blowhole, and then the the crab's shell was hard, I guess. 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:25.120 Anything that you want to talk about about that? 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:34.399 Well, again, getting back down to the little things, I became inspired by and and I will put some pictures up in the the video as well so that we can look at them. 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:52.879 I was inspired by things like uh the volcanic rock, and you actually the volcanic rock forms very roughly, and you'll be looking at it, and there'll be a little hole there, and I I'd actually photograph the rock, but I'd be photographing that little little tiny hole that was in the rock. 00:08:53.039 --> 00:09:03.039 And so, yeah, and and the brightness, so the crabs that are are really big on the island are called the robber crabs, and they're massive, absolutely massive. 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:08.080 And uh the video I showed you had one of me trying to chase one off the road, right? 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:17.360 And they could they when their legs are open, they're up to 1.5 meters, right? 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:26.320 With their including their leg span, and I've I actually have a photo which again I'll put up of one actually carrying a coconut across the road, right? 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:27.919 So that's that what they eat, yeah. 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:32.000 Coconut they can crack open a coconut and eat coconut. 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:36.080 In fact, I saw two fighting to see who was going to eat the coconut. 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:36.960 Wow. 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:47.279 But they are multicoloured, so some of them are browns and creams and greens, and then there's other ones that are pinks and reds and blues. 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.399 So yeah, and and it's a

jungle. 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.159 I fell in love with the jungle, and everything's so crisp and coloured. 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.960 There's very few people who who live on this island. 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.519 I think it's about 3,000 people in total. 00:09:59.919 --> 00:10:10.240 Now, most of them are working either in the in the national parks and their research is protecting the animals, or there's a phosphate mine there as well. 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.279 So they'll be that the other third is a phosphate mine. 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:18.799 So yeah, so there's very few people on the island and it's it's a pristine environment. 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:21.360 Wow, that's great. 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.480 What a injection of creativity. 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.639 Now you say that we are all broken, we are all fragile, we are all broken. 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.559 That's your is it called mantra? 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:31.039 Yes. 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:36.799 And did you find something that stopped you in the tracks that was we would say broken? 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.600 Well, I I think I've decided I think that I like the ugly beautiful. 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:42.639 I really do. 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:48.000 Like, for instance, in the jungle, there's tree roots that are actually growing out of the ground. 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:56.320 And they're stunning and spooky, and as I said, the the the robber crabs are very prehistoric in their look. 00:10:56.960 --> 00:10:57.600 Yeah. 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:06.720 Even down to, you know, I took photographs of fungi and uh like logs that I just loved the the way the texture formed. 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:13.039 I did want to take some clay and imprint things, but I just felt uncomfortable taking it onto the island. 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:23.200 I think that the ugly beautiful, like everybody's taking photos of sunsets, and I'm taking photos of little tiny rocks and creatures, and so yeah. 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:24.480 Wow. 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.879 And uh was there something that you kept photographing multiple times? 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:34.480 The course was all about you need to photograph things multiple times. 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:35.360 Right. 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:41.919 And I think that you don't you don't take one shot, you you need to take things from different angles. 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:54.159 And I found that I came back and took photos to to to post on my Instagram, and I was more inventive about how I what angles I photographed it from. 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:04.000 Because you can, you know, you you can look then on light light room or something like that, and you can go, you can compare photos and see which one's the best photo. 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:10.960 Or so I think it's I think that the idea is that you do take lots of photos from different angles. 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:16.240 I learned how to use the rapid shutter, so you instead of taking one photo, you take you take 20 photos. 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:32.399 And uh I loved using that to take things like the water coming out of blowholes, and I actually have some shots that I took, which again I'll put up of like you can literally see the water droplets as they're coming out of the blowhole, and I I love that effect. 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:57.759 My husband on the other side, he prefers the the like seeing the mass of water, and so yeah, you you just do take lots and lots of photos, and uh the one thing, Rosemary, is that my glutes got a good workout because you that's good, you can you actually take photos like I I'd squat to take a photo and I'd have to stand up like I'd be holding my camera, and so I still have to stand up. 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:04.399 So yeah, I got very good at squatting down and getting back, and I mean really squatting down. 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:10.240 Yeah, you also lay down to take photographs, you you take them from all sorts of different angles. 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:18.000 I uh you know it you need to you need to open up your eyes and look at things from different ways. 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.639 So yeah, it's uh inspirational. 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:26.240 Right, and I I'm guessing you must be coming a very good photographer now. 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.480 Is there anything you wanted to find inspiration but you couldn't connect with? 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:43.039 Not that I wanted to find inspiration from, but a lot of there was a lot of beautiful birds on Christmas Island, and a lot of the the photographers that were on the course were photographing birds. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:14:05.600 And I think it was maybe because my camera was all always set up to do the macro stuff, which is a different lens and a different, you know, apt to aptitude and a different shutter speed, and all of these things that I actually didn't photograph the birds, which is a big part of the the the island uh animal population. 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:11.759 But it was because I wasn't set up, I was actually like off down doing this little thing, mushroom over here, and oh look at a bird. 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:19.039 You gotta change your lens and you gotta put the different aperture on and the different shutter speed and the different light settings. 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.480 So it's sort of like I wasn't concentrating on that. 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:30.159 So it's not that I didn't find inspiration in the birds, some of them were beautiful, it's just that it wasn't what I was focusing on. 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.120 So I think you can only focus on so much. 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:34.399 Wow. 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:35.519 Sounds amazing. 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.600 Your brain would have been bursting. 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:47.039 Now I see that you're in the studio today, and you're and I'm thinking about out in nature, back in the studio, out in nature, getting inspired. 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:55.759

So uh can you tell us about can you while you're out there, did you sometimes think about back at the studio what you're going to do? 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.159 There was a I I think it was a bit of both. 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:05.679 So there were some things that were immediate that I started drawing and sketching, and I've got ideas from, and a lot of those were actually underwater. 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:19.360 So there's a coral called the dinner plate coral, and I I came back and I started sketching that coral, and I started thinking about ideas with that coral quite quickly, and I sketched stuff whilst I was away. 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:29.519 Whereas some of the other things I've I'm gonna have to sit and stew on and fester on and really actually get an idea of of what I want to do. 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:44.080 I think I said to Mark yesterday I was I focused on my inner crab, and and I actually did some some work that I'm happy with uh that represents the uh Christmas Island red crab. 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:50.080 But you know, I I don't want to produce something that's an identical replica of a crab. 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.159 I think for me that wouldn't work. 00:15:52.480 --> 00:16:01.519 It's not where my artwork is, it's like my interpretation of that and and and things like that that I'm actually working through. 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:07.519 So one of the things that I actually will look at is writing about them. 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:16.480 And I think that writing for me is actually bringing through some clarity and actually help helps me form my thoughts. 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:26.720 So yeah, I'll actually sit and write about what I saw, and then I can interpret it in my way so that people look at me and go, I can see where her inspiration has come from. 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:29.200 Not that's a Christmas Island red crab. 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:34.639 Is anything woking you in the middle of the night or found you while you're in the shower since that trip? 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:51.600 Well, again, that for me is that occurs when I'm writing, it's like I'm writing away, and for some reason that writing, it's like I don't know which side of the brain it is rosemary, but one side of the brain is writing and and thinking about that writing, and then suddenly something pops in. 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:53.279 So not yet, but yeah. 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:53.679 Yeah. 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:54.639 Mm-hmm. 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:55.600 Great. 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:12.240 And then just lastly, on thinking about like the inner conversation for for Michelle Benson, do you think that the distance between the actual place you holidayed being away from it, and then the changes, and does that change how you see what you found now you're back in the studio? 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:20.000 No, and I I think it's because I look at photographs, I don't I don't want to be an award-winning photographer. 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:25.759 I I want to be an artist who uses photographs as inspiration. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.839 So I and I realize that there's two types of photography. 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:39.839 There's inspiration work, which I did a lot of, I took a lot of inspiration shots, like you know, macro shots, rapid water shooting, and then there's shots of my work. 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.880 So for me, what I've got is now the inspiration shots. 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:47.519 And and for me, I've drawn all my life. 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:57.680 So I can go back through sketches that I've done for the last 40 years and find fine things and go, oh, that now is inspiring me to do this. 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:07.680 And now I just have another tool to do that because as well as sketch, because I'm not going to stop sketching, as well as sketching, I now have this tool of being able to use my camera correctly. 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:22.240 And it's and and you think about it, like I've got I've got a beautiful camera, but the other thing I have is my iPhone, so I can actually just be out walking with my dog and my iPhone and find inspiration and take a photograph of it. 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:33.759 It's something that you know, you actually it's easy now to actually get that photographic because we've all got phones, that photographic, you know, wow, this is the shot. 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:42.720 And I mean, you know, iPhone shooting raw now, which is a better type of uh shoot camera shooting for editing and all that sort of thing. 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:47.440 So I don't think that it's changed what I see. 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:59.759 I think that it's actually gives me the advantage of having a memory, both physically and in my mind of what I've seen, and it gives me the ability to interpret more. 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.440 Porcelain is, you know, delicate, unforgiving. 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:12.400 And when you're standing on a beach looking at a shell or watching a fish move through the water, are you thinking in terms of what porcelain can and can't do? 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:20.720 No, because when I actually am work, I I think that I I'm not a realist in my work. 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:22.799 I I'm interpretive in my work. 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:29.839 So I look at uh porcelain as a medium to express, not to create a like image. 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.880 Yeah, that's beautiful, and your work is beautiful like that. 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:35.200 Remember that crab ball piece? 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.359 And uh so how would you think about translating something into a piece? 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:57.519 I think a lot of it for me works on colour, and uh, I've been investigating the backs of the crabs and how they actually how each crab's back is slightly different from the other crab's back, and I I've been thinking about how I can actually add that to my work. 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:07.680 I think with things like coral, I've been looking at how see it

actually with see an enemy, which is ha which is where Nemo lives. 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:09.680 Nemo lives inside the see an enemy. 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:18.000 And I I was thinking about how I could interpret that into like a vase so that I can actually like create movement. 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.559 And I think that for me, all of all of nature is about movement. 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:28.880 And so my work is always about movement, as well as being, you know, broken and torn and a bit different. 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:36.480 My work is always about movement, and I think it's about using the porcelain to create that movement in the pieces. 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.519 Yes, your m your pieces are all about movement. 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:41.119 I know that they're beautiful. 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.839 So let's move on to the bigger picture. 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:47.920 And you've talked about how your art practice and the role it plays in your life. 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:56.799 Does it act does actively going out to seek inspiration feel different to inspiration that just arrives from somewhere? 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.000 Well, you see, this is I I have a question back to you, Rosemary. 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:02.559 Is any inspiration unbidden? 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.519 I I I would say no, it's not. 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:16.559 I think that events of your past, what you've viewed through your eyes, and how you interpret it is something that is based on your life experiences. 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:22.240 It's not like I go out and a lightning bolt drops and I go, ah, that's the idea I'm gonna go with. 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:29.599 It's it's more that things come to the surface and you actually then are inspired by them. 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:30.400 Right. 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:44.799 And I think Julia Cameron talks about the artist's date, which is going out and looking for, or just going out and and sort of submerging yourself in something beautiful, could be a visit to a wool shop or whatever. 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:51.119 So you've had that beautiful Christmas Island experience, and so you're all full of it at the moment. 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:59.279 For anyone listening who wants to develop their own eye, whether it's practicing art or not, what would you say to them? 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:04.480 It's That inspiration comes from actually looking at the world in a different way. 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:24.640 And whether it's you go to somewhere new and look at it from those that that this is new to me point of view, or whether you actually go somewhere and it's somewhere you've been before, but you put on it your photography eyes to look at it that and so you see it new. 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:34.559 I think that that's what everybody needs to do is they need to actually have the eyes of a child when they're looking at things so that it's new to them no matter what it is. 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:35.680 That's awesome.

00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:41.119 And so what's the one image from this trip that keeps coming, you keep coming back to? 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.480 And do you already know what it's going to become? 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:45.759 No, I don't. 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.319 I have got one image that I say. 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:52.880 But I do think that one of the things about going on these trips. 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:12.000 But I think that going on trips like this and actually doing things where you're learning and you're with a group, with a group of people whom you have a have a collective thought pattern. 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.359 So, you know, everybody was there to learn about using their camera better. 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.519 Everybody was there to take photos. 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:24.640 So being part of that creative collective, I think for me, creates inspiration. 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:32.400 As in, I I feel free to to actually think more about what I'm doing with my artwork. 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.799 And I and I and I this course did that, but it's not just this course. 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:50.319 I went last year to Tuscany, to La Mer La La Merididina, and did a course on porcelain and worked with a group that again that collective energy was there. 00:23:50.559 --> 00:24:09.039 So the synergy of being around other artists, I think, is very important for any artist, whether they're an author, whether they're a serious, whether they're a painter or a musician, whatever type of artists they are, that collective group of people helps you to free up your own ideas. 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:22.240 Remind us again about your website, how to purchase pieces, and it would be wonderful if you could pop some some images of your work along the way in a blog, but that's just a suggestion from me. 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.319 When is your open studio? 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:35.440 And just to let listeners know, I'll be there on the 11th at 11am with some other artists to check on Michelle Benson and we might do a little bit of insta filming. 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:37.599 So tell us about that, Michelle. 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:43.519 Well, my website is www.mishellebenson.com.au. 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:45.200 Nice and easy to remember. 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:58.559 And I also have an Instagram page, uh Michelle underscore Benson underscore art, which uh I won't be sharing photos of my trip, but I will be sharing photos of my work on that. 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.000 Writing a blog, Rosemary. 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.319 I knew you were gonna say that to me. 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.160 I knew you were gonna ask me. 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.559 I don't know whether I got time to do a blog. 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:12.079 My studio I'm opening up on Saturdays as at the beginning of July. 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.720 I've nearly finished getting the space ready. 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.720 I've just got to hang the curtain so that you can't see all the messy stuff behind me. 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:23.920 But yes, I'm looking forward to the 11th to seeing you on the 11th in my studio. 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:24.799 So yeah. 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:26.480 And it's okay, Rosemary. 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:28.400 Thank you for interviewing me. 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:30.480 But that's enough about me. 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:31.759 How are you? 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.680 What's been inspiring you? 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:43.279 Well, Michelle, I want to thank you for that beautiful experience of hearing all about your trip, and I am looking forward to seeing what comes out from that. 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:58.799 And uh actually, when once on the barrier reef I swam with a turtle, I always get mixed up, not a tortoise, a turtle, and it was absolutely the most spiritual experience, and I felt so grateful to be in that turtle space. 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:20.799 But what's inspired me this week is I just finished an online course doing abstract art, and I didn't know other artists would know this, but I didn't know that learning another medium actually helped me with my current medium, which is the digital artwork I do and the sketches for the um books. 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:28.400 And so my next book I've started sort of sketching out, and it was everything was just flowing out. 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:33.839 So bouncing out of me, I started sketching her bedroom, the little girl Gresha. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.680 She's clever, I sketched a bookcase, she has a doll. 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:55.519 The doll um comes alive at the end of the book, so it was all just flowing out, so I thought I must do that more often, maybe turn up to your studio and get some um porcelain lessons because I didn't know that learning another medium can really pump up your your current one. 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.079 I I'd like to say, Rosemary, it's learning. 00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:04.240 It's it's anything you're learning actually helps your creativity come out. 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:14.160 You know, when you're learning, when you're learning to photograph things, when you're when you're learning to play with clay, it helps your creativity flow more. 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:18.400 So it's unlocking that, and again, I think it's left side of your brain. 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:20.160 I always get them mixed up, but yeah. 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.759 Yes, learning a language, learn anything that's creative. 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.759 What else do we got for our listeners? 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.680 Rosemary, I think that's about it, unless you can think of anything else. 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.640 Great. 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.440 Alright, alright, well, have a great day. 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:34.880 Get work, get to work. 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:36.799 Yeah, I will, I promise. 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.519 Alright, thanks, Rosemary. 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:40.720 Bye. 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:41.519 Bye. 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.119 Thank you so much for listening to Shift Stirrers Podcast. 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:52.319 If you enjoyed this episode, please hit that follow button so you can get notified whenever we release new content. 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:59.839 We'd love to hear feel from you and feel free to reach out to us at theshift stirrers at gmail.com. 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:05.039 Or you can find our individual email addresses and websites in the show notes below. 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:06.480 We love questions. 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:11.759 You can also connect to us on Instagram at ShiftStirrers. 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:22.960 If you found value in today's conversation, we'd be incredible, incredibly grateful if you could leave us a review or a rating on your podcast platform. 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.440 It really helps others to discover the show. 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.319 And if you know someone who will benefit from this episode, please share with them. 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.680 Until next time, keep stirring the shift. 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:39.519 Just a quick disclaimer Michelle and Rosemary are not experts in any of these discussions today. 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:45.039 We present this podcast in the interest of getting you curious to make changes. 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:45.680 Thank you.