התמלול המלא של ROC SOLID Replay: Young Guru

to the A & R meeting and it was a real story. 00:05:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:05:10 Speaker 3: Where, you know, I'm sitting in front of Jay. I'm sitting in front of L.A. And they like, yo, Goo, you spent this amount. How I'm getting my money back? 00:05:18 Speaker 1: Exactly. 00:05:19 Speaker 3: And that's when I was like, oh, man. Like, yo, I came straight to you. Like, yo, you got to come to my house. 00:05:25 Speaker 2: Yep, we got to tighten up. So we moved the session, everything to Goo House. He had the studio just like this studio set up in the crib and the shed. I remember all the kids young coming in. My G had to go out, change diapers, make bottles in the middle of the sessions. But we were so ahead of time, you know, because a lot of these artists now record themselves. We was doing this 20 years ago almost now. You know what I'm saying? 00:05:49 Speaker 1: And I remember we thought that we were going to get the budget. 00:05:53 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:05:54 Speaker 1: We did everything. 00:05:56 Speaker 2: We calculated all the money, how much we spent, featured artists, everything. 00:06:00 Speaker 1: Me and Goo sitting there like, yeah. I think it was still Rockefeller at the time. Yeah. 00:06:05 Speaker 2: They owe us X, Y, Z. Goo brings the invoice to Hove. 00:06:12 Speaker 1: They booked us. 00:06:13 Speaker 2: End of the story is they robbed us with no gun. Them niggas said, y'all ain't got no LLC. Yeah, I ain't got this. 00:06:21 Speaker 3: We was young. We didn't really know what it was, but it was crazy just putting that together and the history that we did. Yo, bro. That was the crazy part. 00:06:33 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. 00:06:35 Speaker 3: Baseline, to the crib. To the crib, to. 00:06:38 Speaker 1: Rock the mic. Yeah. 00:06:39 Speaker 2: To everywhere. We done recorded everywhere, my G. Like, but just think, we gave them a free album, bro. 00:06:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:06:46 Speaker 2: 534. So they talking about where the money coming from, how they going to get their money back. 00:06:51 Speaker 1: Y'all recouped the first day and hit the stores. 00:06:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: They ain't spend no money. Like, yo, that was one of the illest things. Then me and my G, I remember when we first got our money. We in Miami. I think this is when Jay first met B. We was having an all-white party. We let everybody shop in. This is the real Miami, not the Miami. 00:07:11 Speaker 3: No, no, no. You got to tell the whole story because it was like people think we get the— invites 10 days early. 00:07:19 Speaker 1: Oh, no, we got the invites that morning. 00:07:21 Speaker 3: So that morning, Hove, and specifically through Carlene, was like, yo, we having an all-white party tonight. I was like, we in Miami, I don't got no all-white. 00:07:32 Speaker 1: Exactly. 00:07:32 Speaker 3: So I had to go out. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: And remember. 00:07:34 Speaker 3: Figure out the outfit. 00:07:35 Speaker 1: There was no stores in Miami like

there is today. 00:07:38 Speaker 2: This is when Miami just was one Ralph Lauren store on the corner and by the... The Lowe's Hotel, they just had, I think it was KFC. 00:07:47 Speaker 1: That was it. 00:07:48 Speaker 2: Then you had to go way out to Dolphin Mall or the Swap Meet. I think we all went to the Purple Label Store. 00:07:53 Speaker 3: Nah, it was crazy. So I went out, you know what I'm saying? We get the shoe. But you can't just get white pants. You got to get the linen. You know what I'm saying? 00:08:02 Speaker 1: It's Miami. Scarface. 00:08:04 Speaker 3: But I'm 6'5. 00:08:05 Speaker 1: They don't got all that in my G-sides. You know what I'm saying? We had to improvise. So you do what you do. That's right. 00:08:15 Speaker 3: That night, it was crazy because it was like, yo, we started at one spot. 00:08:20 Speaker 1: Went to a. 00:08:20 Speaker 3: Right? And it was like. 00:08:22 Speaker 1: God, we partied in two different spots. Hold on. 00:08:24 Speaker 3: But we walked in. They had everything on trays. They was like, yo, you know, you want to drink? You want to smoke? You want to... Whatever it was. We was chilling. We had, you know what I'm saying, a little spot. Then Jay LeBron get up. 00:08:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:08:39 Speaker 3: And was like, yo, we're going to go to the club. 00:08:41 Speaker 1: Yep. This LeBron rookie year. 00:08:44 Speaker 3: Rookie year. We walk down the street. It's 75 people. We're all white on. 00:08:52 Speaker 1: All white. 00:08:52 Speaker 3: So we get to the front of the club. And the promoter was like, who with y'all? Everybody in all white. Everybody in all white. Yo, we went in there, shut it down. Skane even was there. Clue, everybody, man. 00:09:04 Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking about before the day even started when we was looking for our outfits. I remember me and you, this is like our first time touching some real paper. And I remember we all chilling, walking through, and we bought them dumbass Lockmans. 00:09:19 Speaker 1: Yo, my G. Like, we literally went in the store and like, fuck it. Let's grab these. I don't know what it was. 00:09:27 Speaker 3: It was just like, I'm with you. I'm with the crew. 00:09:31 Speaker 1: Yep. Free. Everybody was there. Beans. 00:09:34 Speaker 3: And we was getting it. So it was just like, yo, what you want? Five, ten for this watch? 00:09:39 Speaker 1: It's nothing. It's nothing. We was like swiping. We good. Everybody bought a watch. It was nothing. Me, you, freeway. 00:09:48 Speaker 3: All in the same day. 00:09:49 Speaker 1: I even believe Petey Crack even bought one that day. 00:09:51 Speaker 3: All in the same day. 00:09:52 Speaker 2: Yo, everybody bought a Lachman, and I believe that watch went out of style as soon as we brought it. 00:09:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, no. 00:09:56 Speaker 1: As soon as we walked out of store, the Lachman went out of business, I believe. 00:10:00 Speaker 3: That was the fun we was having, man. 00:10:01 Speaker 1: Word up. We was just wilding, man. 00:10:04 Speaker 3: The Miami trips, you know what I'm saying? Like that, the month we spent in Miami, that was a brotherhood that was like, we couldn't, you know what I'm saying? We can't replace that. 00:10:14 Speaker 2: Yo, but now that is a budget we blew. We blew that budget because we went to Miami for the Beans and Bleak album. 00:10:24 Speaker 1: Okay, so slow up, though. Slow up, slow up, slow up. 00:10:28 Speaker 2: Oh, Lord. 00:10:28 Speaker 3: Because I always tell people this. Because I'll be like, yo, the Miami trip started. It really started with. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: The party. No, hold on. 00:10:36 Speaker 3: It started with your brother getting hurt. Oh, yeah. 00:10:39 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. Shout out Dre. 00:10:41 Speaker 3: Yes. And then we said, yo, we're going to move everything down to Miami. And we're going to go to Circle House. And we locked out Circle House for 30 days. 00:10:49 Speaker 1: That was the worst. 00:10:50 Speaker 2: It's the worst and the best studio ever invented at the same time. If you have your worst place and best place be in the same place. 00:10:59 Speaker 3: Shout out to a BB. 00:11:00 Speaker 2: Shout out BB. Because that studio spoil you does. Bro, remember in Baseline, only Hov had the studio budget. where they got the bottles of Chris or whatever they drinking. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: You're saying the worst because it was too crazy. 00:11:14 Speaker 1: It was too luxury. 00:11:16 Speaker 2: We didn't know what, like, we come to the studio, y'all got chefs, this the pool, the jacuzzi, we young, we. 00:11:22 Speaker 1: Got young females breezing through all day. They just, like, record. 00:11:26 Speaker 3: Right, right. 00:11:27 Speaker 1: Nah, we down there Rockefeller porn at this point. 00:11:29 Speaker 2: Right. Like, we ain't trying to make no records. I might need them to holler at us. 00:11:37 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 00:11:38 Speaker 2: So, we basically blew the budget. But one thing I got to say, I always said this. Freeway took full fucking advantage. 00:11:49 Speaker 3: Right. Yo. What was crazy was, we was down there and... you was working, Beans was working, but y'all was working at opposite times. 00:12:00 Speaker 1: Because Beans at night out. Because you, like, you were super early, wake up, 7 in the morning, 8 in the. 00:12:05 Speaker 3: Morning, get my money, you know what I'm saying? And I would tell people, like, Bleak would be at Baseline by like 9 in the morning. 00:12:11 Speaker 1: That's right, 9 o'clock. 00:12:12 Speaker 3: Beans would call me at like 11, 12 at night. And be like, yo, yeah, yeah, I'm coming from Philly, you know what I'm saying? And be there too. 00:12:20 Speaker 1: All night. 00:12:21 Speaker 3: So that was like, we seen it in Miami. So then Freeway was like, after three, four days, he look at Justin and be like, yo, like, you giving all the beats to Beans and Bleak? I can't get nothing? So we was on our way to the strip club.

00:12:39 Speaker 1: I remember. We used to dance all we do. That's what we did. 00:12:42 Speaker 3: We was in Miami. We on our way to the strip club. And Freeway was like, yo, come on, Justin. Like, let me get something. And he cooked up, rocked the mic. And that's when it flipped to... becoming a state property album. 00:12:55 Speaker 1: Yep. Free came back with them smokers because the only record me and Beans did was Hypnotic. 00:13:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's still, still, we got records done. 00:13:02 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:13:03 Speaker 3: Y'all did more than that. They just never came out. 00:13:05 Speaker 2: We got a couple unreleased Beans and Bleak records that just never came out. 00:13:09 Speaker 1: We just never dropped it. We never finished the project. Nothing. 00:13:12 Speaker 3: But you made me argue you into hypnotic. 00:13:15 Speaker 1: Yes, because, yo, that's the illest, because I didn't even want to do that. 00:13:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't want to do the beat. 00:13:20 Speaker 2: That's another beat that I was like, yo, bleep, you got to do this beat. Yep, it wasn't until Beans set the whole tone. Remember, Beans had the studio dark, candles burning. I come in there, everything hypnotic. 00:13:31 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Now I feel the vibe. Let's go. 00:13:35 Speaker 2: And I did my verse, and then when Hov came in, he heard it. He like, I got to get on this. Y'all think this is bugging. I need PC of this. 00:13:42 Speaker 3: Now, that was the first time, that trip, too, when he came down, was the first, because we were shooting a video for Beans. I forget which record it was. But that was the first time, like, because he was starting a meeting, and he was like, trying to ask why you and B's album wasn't done. 00:14:03 Speaker 1: He wasn't doing no records. 00:14:05 Speaker 3: So he didn't start the meeting until I got there. He was like, yo, what's going on? 00:14:10 Speaker 2: They don't know, man. We spent so much money in that studio, man, Circle House. I think y'all done came up off us, man. Y'all might owe us a free session at this point. 00:14:19 Speaker 1: One on the house. Like, come on, man. Yo, then, right. They showed us love. 00:14:23 Speaker 2: B.B. 00:14:24 Speaker 3: Showed us love. Major love. And what's crazy is that The last day of our organized session, like say you paid for 30 days, was 9-11. 00:14:38 Speaker 1: Damn, that's crazy. Because I went home that day. You ain't fucking lying, goo. 00:14:43 Speaker 3: I flew home that day. We just was trapped in the studio. And the BB let us stay there for like another two weeks because we couldn't get a plane. 00:14:50 Speaker 2: We couldn't get a train. I flew home that morning. And they shut everything down. That's crazy, goo. God damn, you blew my head off with that one. 00:14:59 Speaker 1: Damn. 00:15:00 Speaker 3: Last day was 9-11, bro. 00:15:02 Speaker 2: Now, I had a real question that Nori, he always texts me. He's like, yo, I don't care who from Rockefeller. You got to ask this question. But before we get to that question, I got a question of my own. Out of all the artists, of course, not exclude Hov, exclude me. Because that's like bias. You came in with me, so I don't want you to be like. 00:15:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, you. 00:15:25 Speaker 2: Out of all the artists, I'm talking about everybody, M.O.P., Emil, fucking Rel, you know what I'm saying? 00:15:33 Speaker 1: Beans, Free, Petey Crack, fucking shit. 00:15:38 Speaker 3: Young Guns. 00:15:39 Speaker 1: Young Guns, definitely. Fucking O and Sparks. 00:15:42 Speaker 2: Yes. Who would you say was the easiest and the hardest artist to work with? Like, you know, one that you ain't got to say nothing to. He just get in there and do his thing. And then the one person that's like, yo, fam, I told you seven times, spit that word over. 00:16:00 Speaker 3: Nah, that's hard to say. That's hard to say because it's like, I don't know you. 00:16:06 Speaker 1: Because I remember. 00:16:08 Speaker 3: It'd be like, and I'm going to say it. It's me and you so the people will understand, right? So it's like almost like your kids. 00:16:16 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. 00:16:17 Speaker 3: So, I love all my kids, but they different. You know what I'm saying? 00:16:20 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:16:21 Speaker 3: So, like, my oldest daughter and the way that she is, my second daughter, my twins, you know. 00:16:26 Speaker 1: What I'm saying? No, no. They're all different. 00:16:27 Speaker 2: I ain't trying to get you to shit on a nigga so a nigga don't call him for a session. 00:16:30 Speaker 3: It ain't about shitting on him. No, it ain't about shitting on him. 00:16:32 Speaker 1: I don't want niggas to not get called for a session. 00:16:35 Speaker 3: Let me explain to you what I'm saying. It be different emotions. You know what I'm saying? 00:16:40 Speaker 1: Yes, yes. 00:16:40 Speaker 3: So, Hov is going to, like, sit there and figure out the rhyme and, like, say, good, this makes sense, and boom, boom, boom. Me and you is on a, like, is on a, like, this my brother. I'm making joints with him. You know what I'm saying? 00:16:53 Speaker 1: Yo, but, yo, I ain't gonna front. You used to have me frustrated sometimes. 00:16:55 Speaker 3: No, I know. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: Because I'd write a rhyme, Goo would be like, yo, you said that. 00:16:58 Speaker 3: And I ain't gonna let you say no bullshit. 00:16:59 Speaker 1: Yo, you said that word three times already. Come on. We gonna put that word all through the rhyme? You serious? 00:17:05 Speaker 2: Word. 00:17:05 Speaker 1: Word. Word. Word up. 00:17:08 Speaker 3: Because I'm trying to be like, yo, like. 00:17:11 Speaker 2: And then when Jeezy came out repeating whole sentences, I used to be like, boo, I would have been the first. 00:17:19 Speaker 3: We was trying to make the best rhyme. 00:17:20 Speaker 1: Word up. You know what I'm saying? I used to be like, goo, and trust me, go. 00:17:26 Speaker 3: But look,

even that, when you're saying that, that's the fact that me and you could like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It ain't no like. yo, he trying to play me or this or this and that. You know what I'm saying? 00:17:37 Speaker 1: We brothers. That's right. Yo, bro, come on. I never took nothing personal all the days. 00:17:42 Speaker 2: We making the best records. We did everything, man. I remember me and Goo in the crib recording, man. And we hit a block. We didn't know what to do. So me and Goo like, fuck it. Let's go to the store, get some back. We smoking backwards, yeah. We like, let's get some backwards. And we run into a nigga in the store. 00:17:59 Speaker 1: Like, yo, Bleak, what up? Yo, Goo, I make beats. Yo, I live out here in Newark. 00:18:03 Speaker 2: And Goo like, all right, yo, I know the homie from the block. 00:18:06 Speaker 1: Come to the crib. 00:18:08 Speaker 2: Right. And we end up, he come to the crib, played us some heat. We end up doing Hater Free that night. Yeah. And fucking, he turned out to be Shea Taylor. Now out here producing for Beyonce. Out here moving. Shea, you owe me a beat. Because if I never bought Backwoods, you heard? Mm-hmm. 00:18:27 Speaker 1: We did, yo, me and Gudum been through it all, man. 00:18:29 Speaker 2: But one thing I got to set up, because Timberland and Swiss, they got verses. I got my own verses. We going to do this one. And if anybody steal this idea, somebody sue them for me. Because this, you heard it here first. We need a DJ verses. And the first two people, all my DJ verses is my bro, It just fucking blazed. 00:18:57 Speaker 3: Oh, you're going to go there. 00:18:58 Speaker 1: Yo. 00:19:00 Speaker 3: You're going to go there. 00:19:02 Speaker 1: Yo, listen. Yo, I don't know. All right. 00:19:05 Speaker 3: You're going to go there. 00:19:06 Speaker 1: Yo, Goo is a major nice DJ. 00:19:09 Speaker 2: But one thing I can say about my brother, it's almost like he from Marcy. 00:19:13 Speaker 1: Because you're a competitive motherfucker, yo. And I'm the same way. 00:19:17 Speaker 3: It's only certain things. 00:19:19 Speaker 2: That I take super serious like we could do whatever you know what I'm saying competitive and I lose and I be like alright cool but it's certain things that I take super serious one of them is basketball and one of them is DJing I think that's the only time I ever saw you like that upset like usually you know you upset but you composed it's over some family show this happened nigga bullshit. 00:19:42 Speaker 3: Nah what happened was what happened was nah I'ma tell you I'ma tell you the whole story so it was it was the day that we was doing um the EPMD record over with you and Beans yup so what you're saying so we was happy because we was like yo we're gonna get DJ Scratch to come in and do the Scratches live you know what I'm saying so we set up we rented see I didn't even know that part yeah yeah nah we got Scratch to do it over so we had the turntable set you know me and Just is like you know what. 00:20:17 Speaker 2: I'm saying Scratch is Scratch is me you and Just Scratch is a legend so it's like us trying to set it up for him so that he's comfortable when he come in and be like yo it's already set up you ain't gotta you know what I'm saying mess with nothing Boom, boom, boom. 00:20:30 Speaker 3: So we had everything set up, two turntables, the mix in the middle. Everything was weighted perfectly. Me and Justin, you know, everything. For Scratch. 00:20:37 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:20:38 Speaker 2: So then afterwards... It was just y'all in there beating it. The shit popping, you know what I'm saying? Start in the studio. And I just so happened to walk in the room, and they talking shit. 00:20:49 Speaker 1: Goo like, well, I smoked you on these tables. Just like what? Set it off. 00:20:53 Speaker 2: So you know me, Marcy Instigator, y'all niggas, let me see this battle go down. 00:20:59 Speaker 1: And the battle went down. 00:21:01 Speaker 2: I ain't going to say who won. 00:21:03 Speaker 1: Ain't nobody win. 00:21:04 Speaker 2: But all I know is my man Goo wanted to fight. 00:21:10 Speaker 1: And I was sitting there like, no way. 00:21:13 Speaker 2: And just, you know, he wanted to get back to Zelda, but he wanted to fight too. 00:21:16 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at him like, no way. 00:21:19 Speaker 3: No, you say what it is. Like, I don't like that when people battle and like they lose and they don't want to say they lost. 00:21:26 Speaker 1: Nah, because it's got to be on TV. Nah, you ain't have your. 00:21:29 Speaker 3: No, no, I'm into reggae battles. I'm into all types of battles. So, if you come out and you lose that night, you got to say you lost. 00:21:38 Speaker 1: I ain't doing this. 00:21:39 Speaker 3: So, that night, no, that night, I was like, Just was scratching. He was killing it, right? 00:21:44 Speaker 1: Yo, he was going hard. 00:21:46 Speaker 3: So, I'm trying to beat juggle, and the shit was skipping on me, and I lost. And I was like, but I was so heated. 00:21:53 Speaker 2: You had never seen me in that vein before where I was like, yo, I was so mad. 00:21:56 Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck? 00:21:58 Speaker 3: That I had lost that night. In front of everybody, yeah, I was ready to fight. I was like, yo. It was like the night, it was like, okay, Just is the video game king in Baseline, right? Yo. He's the video game king. 00:22:14 Speaker 1: Nobody beat him in 2K. 00:22:15 Speaker 3: No, no, but the one, I'm relaying this to the story you just told. So the one night that I beat Just in a video game, I don't even remember what it was. He was on the same type set. 00:22:24 Speaker 2: I was there for that, too. I was there for that. That wasn't, I think it was NBA Live because it wasn't 2K then. It was NBA Live on Madden, and you whooped him in the room right there. And see, that's like video games is something I don't care about. 00:22:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he broke the controller and

everything. I was there for that, too. Video games is something I don't care about. Yo, listen, these two niggas got secret trouble. They love each other. 00:22:49 Speaker 3: He's ready to go. 00:22:50 Speaker 2: But they got major competitive beef. 00:22:52 Speaker 1: And I love it. 00:22:53 Speaker 2: And I just so happen to have been there for both of y'all competitions. But another thing, Goo, and I ain't going to lie. I done seen the book of Hov. Shit, I done seen the book of Eli. 00:23:05 Speaker 3: That was really dope. How you feel like you can't skip over that. So, first of all, everybody got to realize that we kept that a secret from Hov. 00:23:18 Speaker 1: I know. 00:23:19 Speaker 3: We kept it a super secret from Hov. So it was like, you know, something monumental to be like, yo, 50th, you know what I'm saying, hip hop. 00:23:30 Speaker 2: What I would like to get out there or what people don't really realize is the museum was doing fine. 00:23:38 Speaker 3: The library wasn't. 00:23:40 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:23:41 Speaker 3: And so with Hov stepping in, making this exhibit, It brings the library to a certain point, you know what I'm saying, where people are now getting library cards, you know what I'm saying? 00:23:53 Speaker 1: Basically, you know, kept the library going. 00:23:55 Speaker 3: For your hometown, you know what I'm saying? 00:23:58 Speaker 1: That's a staple. That Brooklyn library been there since, man, I can remember. 00:24:03 Speaker 2: We tried to keep it a secret until they, like, wrapped the whole front with the lyrics. 00:24:07 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Everybody on there. And my man Meek Mill, too. 00:24:11 Speaker 2: Shout out, Meek. That's my bro. He sent the direct flare. But, yeah, the Book of Hov, I ain't going to front. That blew my mind. Just to be in a museum, like, I'm born and raised there. You know, my grandma's is from Ebbetsville. 00:24:25 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? 00:24:26 Speaker 2: So I walked past that library my whole life going to Prospect Park. So to walk in the library, bring my kids there, and they be able to see me, the history that we accomplished together is. 00:24:37 Speaker 1: Remarkable, man. 00:24:38 Speaker 2: Like, there's no words to put to that. But I was saying that because... You got to make your book, Guru. 00:24:46 Speaker 1: Seriously. 00:24:47 Speaker 2: I think it's time for you to release your book. Because Baseline didn't roll without Guru. When Guru said, I got to go home. I'm going to take a shower. The studio basically was closed. Everybody just sitting in there playing dice on the pool table. Niggas just sitting there watching YouTube. Niggas is bullshitting in the studio. 00:25:09 Speaker 3: It was a super. 00:25:11 Speaker 2: It was an intuitive, broken-down, everything, step-by-step, basically, Pro Tools book for dummies. Like, they have the crash course for people who don't know, you know? And I feel like that book taught me Pro Tools for the nights that you used to leave. And I'd be like, damn, Shane, where the book at? And Shane would show me the book. I'd be like, this wire go here, this plug-in go here. We hit this button, Shane hit that button. I'm going to run in the booth and do this verse. And from there, I bought a laptop, bought an M-Box. And, bro, I used to record shit. I did the record with M.O.P. in my hotel room. 00:25:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, man. 00:25:48 Speaker 2: Like, you heard the fame on the record like, damn, y'all don't take the mic in the bathroom or nothing? Like, so that's all for you. So I feel like that book is pivotal. Like, people will want a copy of that and learn from that. Because what these kids doing today, man, is not what we learned. 00:26:06 Speaker 1: Trust me. 00:26:07 Speaker 3: I get it. It was just, you know. People don't realize I was there for four days straight. You know what I'm saying? 00:26:14 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I got to go take a shower. Yep. 00:26:17 Speaker 3: So while I'm gone, here's how you work everything in here. You know what I'm saying? So that the work don't have to stop. 00:26:25 Speaker 2: But that's... I take time to break down. You see how you walked in here? You like, yo, these plugins don't have no compressor. Yo, they bugging 90,000 for the board. It's not one compressor. I tell people all the time, Goo is the oracle of this shit. He will walk in your studio and tell you, Yo, it's not right. Everything is off. Everything is wrong. It's just like how a painter walk in and know. Yeah. 00:26:46 Speaker 1: The painter's not right, bro. Like, it's not smooth here. It's lumpy. 00:26:50 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:26:50 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And that's how you are. 00:26:52 Speaker 3: That's what Baseline was like. You know what I'm saying? 00:26:54 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:26:55 Speaker 3: We had it the way we wanted it and... You didn't have to worry about the equipment. 00:26:59 Speaker 1: No. 00:26:59 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? 00:27:00 Speaker 1: At all. 00:27:00 Speaker 2: Now you go to studios, equipment ain't right. OG Ward spent that grip. He made sure everything was A1, and if it. 00:27:08 Speaker 1: Broke, we bought a new one. 00:27:09 Speaker 3: And it was comfortable, and it was like multiple rooms, and it was like, you know what I'm saying, the vibe. 00:27:14 Speaker 1: That we had. Why all these dudes... That got studios with multiple rooms. This is a good. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: Because you said it was multiple rooms, and we never had this problem. And I know you know what I'm about to say. You go in all these studios, the A room got AC, but the B room don't. What the fuck is that about? Like, everybody B room just hot. 00:27:33 Speaker 1: Like, yo. 00:27:34 Speaker 3: Nah, it's difficult nowadays because people don't really realize what it mean when they say the studio. 00:27:42 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:27:43 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? So people think, like, setting up a computer... And a

couple little things is a studio, and it's not really. You know what I'm saying? That's right. So to the point of building a room inside of a room and different design techniques and things that you don't got to worry about because it was like, yo, goo know about it. You know what I'm saying? So it's not really about the quality of what's good enough matters now. Not great. Not perfect. You know what I'm saying? It's just good enough. 00:28:19 Speaker 1: It's like in the 65 on the test map. Yeah, it's like in the 65. Yeah, I don't want 100. I passed. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I passed. And you're right. That's what's going on today. It's just good enough. It's not great. 00:28:29 Speaker 2: These kids not perfecting and not taking any time to learn the craft. You know what I'm saying? That's one thing. And I know being around you. See, I'm not familiar with this guy's music, but I got familiar with it through you, two people. So this is a two-part question for me because I learned about these two individuals through you. 00:28:51 Speaker 1: One, both, rest in peace. Damn, God, you know what I mean? God bless. God bless. 00:28:55 Speaker 2: J Dilla had a major influence on you I hear like it's not a studio session go by that that name don't come up and then MF Doom I would have not known who the hell that was if it wasn't for Goo he used to make sure y'all niggas gonna know what this underground sound like. 00:29:16 Speaker 3: I do it you know what I'm saying backwards but Doom was like my man Ben Big Ben. You know what I'm saying? Rap, rap, bring us all together. 00:29:28 Speaker 2: Right? 00:29:29 Speaker 3: So my man Big Ben was a hype man. They used to call him Big Ben the Klingon in the Doom, you know what I'm saying, world. He was one of my dudes they used to come down you know when I was at Howard he was a Howard student and he would bring like Lord Sear Curious George all of them you know what I'm saying be rhyming against my dudes and that's how I met MF Doom was through Big Ben But Dune was just like, the rhyme patterns and, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was different from what we was doing. 00:30:06 Speaker 1: Yes, yes. 00:30:07 Speaker 2: He was super nice. Yeah, he was dumb nice. Super nice, super nice. 00:30:10 Speaker 3: And then Dilla was, the Dilla thing was like, I had never heard nobody chop records like that and make, you know what I'm saying, the drum patterns so loose. And then the ill part was early, early on, he was messing with B-Hot. You know what I'm saying? No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was, like, you know, like, helping them in New York. Like, not managing them, but, like, helping them. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, I'll try to get you some... Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:30:40 Speaker 1: That's crazy. I never met him. 00:30:41 Speaker 3: No, no. And the crazy part is I said to him, I was like, yo, just give me a session with him. Like, I just want to see if it's real. Like, way early. And he got me a session. He got

me... Yeah, he got me a session. You know what I'm saying? For people that don't know, that's Jay Cousin. You know what I'm saying? And he got me a session. And I sat there with Dilla, and me and him just rolled up all day, smoked. You know what I'm saying? He was making joints. And I was just. 00:31:05 Speaker 1: Like, yo, this dude nice. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: Like, dumb nice. 00:31:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:31:09 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Every producer. Yeah, he was dumb nice. Every producer pays homage to J. 00:31:14 Speaker 1: Dilla. 00:31:15 Speaker 3: Because his swing, you know what I'm saying? And the looseness of his beats was just like, and the way he chopped samples was crazy. You know, that's what we was on every day. 00:31:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, all day. 00:31:25 Speaker 2: Yo, talking about that chopping samples, this wasn't even something. 00:31:29 Speaker 1: How you feel? 00:31:31 Speaker 2: I'm going to have my homie up here, too, because I want to ask him. But yo, tell niggas, man, was it real in the studio with the Big and the Just Blaze shit, my G? Like, bro, it's like we had to keep these dudes separated. 00:31:46 Speaker 3: Well, I'm the person, and I can say this proudly, who has always tried to mend that particular. 00:31:55 Speaker 1: Relationship, yeah, because it's like. 00:31:58 Speaker 2: Nobody in the world can say that they have tried harder than me to mend that particular thing. 00:32:05 Speaker 1: I feel if we would have kept them, if them two would have stayed in the studio, A and B room, I don't think Rockefeller would have saw a day it could end. 00:32:13 Speaker 2: You know, again... Because. 00:32:17 Speaker 1: When Big left, that's what Boyeo. 00:32:19 Speaker 3: I could only have my, you know what I'm saying, my way of saying... How can I broke a piece thing? 00:32:27 Speaker 2: Because when Bink left, that's when Ye came around harder. And Ye filled that B room. Because it was Bink in the A room first and Justin. 00:32:35 Speaker 1: In the B room. Oh, no, no. 00:32:36 Speaker 3: Bink was definitely... For the history, Bink was definitely the first person at Baseline. 00:32:40 Speaker 2: First person. Like, a lot of people think, you know, Justin did a lot of the records. But they don't understand. Bink did a lot of our records. 00:32:48 Speaker 3: But then it's like, I don't want them to... Both of them are part of a history. That's right. That is magnificent. 00:32:58 Speaker 1: And it's bigger than life. Y'all, the reason why is history. 00:33:01 Speaker 2: And that's why I want them together because it's like, you stronger together than apart. 00:33:07 Speaker 1: Especially in the team, man. You know what I'm saying? 00:33:09 Speaker 2: Like Hov say, when the family is no, nobody wins when the family fumes. 00:33:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just, you know, want it on record that like, you know, I've definitely over the years tried to put, even up to now, have tried to be like, how do I, you know what I'm saying, make it a peace thing between that particular thing. 00:33:28 Speaker 1: We might have to have a versus. Fuck it. Don't niggas play the record. 00:33:31 Speaker 3: Nah, not even that. Not even that. Like, just on some real, like, you know. 00:33:36 Speaker 1: Yo, fuck it. Swizz, holla at me. I got producer versus. 00:33:39 Speaker 3: I'm dead serious. I'm just like on some real, I want that. 00:33:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. To be. 00:33:46 Speaker 3: No tension, no nothing. 00:33:49 Speaker 1: Because they both two are the greatest producers I ever worked with. 00:33:51 Speaker 2: Ever, ever. 00:33:52 Speaker 1: Like that I ever worked with. 00:33:53 Speaker 2: I can honestly say there's not a record or a beat Bink played me that I was like, nah, go to that one. It's not a record or a beat that Just Blaze played that I was like, nah. 00:34:04 Speaker 1: I made Just give me round here. Remember, he didn't even want to give me the beat. Like, nah, this is bullshit. 00:34:09 Speaker 3: I give you a lot of credit for round here, too. 00:34:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he. 00:34:12 Speaker 3: Because back then, Just made the beat. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, it's in a certain vein, but you was always the person that way before then was always on the South, like Southern records and just... putting us up on Southern, you know what I'm saying? I was like, Bleak is the Southern connect. 00:34:35 Speaker 1: They don't know that. 00:34:36 Speaker 3: So, yeah, even for around here where it was like, yo, for you, I think it was just like, oh, T.I. popping right now in the South? Like, let me get T.I. You know what I'm saying? 00:34:46 Speaker 2: I remember Hov saying, why we paying T.I.? Like, and yo, shout out T.I. because he only charged me five grand for that verse. That's probably like a hundred racks right now for a T.I. 00:34:57 Speaker 1: Verse. 00:34:58 Speaker 2: But Hov was like, why we giving this, who the fuck is T.I.? Why we giving him five grand? Man, we got Beanie Siegel, he'll do it for free. And I'm like, yeah, but everybody know Beans down, man. Like, I need a new nigga. 00:35:11 Speaker 3: Nah, the round here was definitely a, it was like a, it was a perfect, like, you record. A lot of times people don't know Where it be like your personality. You know what I'm saying? So to me, round here was just like a perfect you because you always been, and I mean everybody from the South. 00:35:30 Speaker 1: You always been on Southern music. 00:35:32 Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that BG album, all Trick Daddy albums. 00:35:36 Speaker 1: Come on, man. All of them. That Book of Thugs. Come on. That still get rotation. You know what I'm saying? 00:35:42 Speaker 2: Mystical before all the other shit. The Mystical where he was the James Brown. Yeah. 00:35:50 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? 00:35:51 Speaker 3: I used to play a lot of that shit in the studio. 00:35:53 Speaker 1: Yo, I was on the South, man. No Limit,

Cash Money, Hard, you know what I mean? 8-Ball, MJG. 00:35:59 Speaker 2: Man, fucking kidding me? I was riding dirty out here in New York. Y'all have no understanding, boy. 00:36:05 Speaker 1: So, of course, a lot of people would definitely want to know. I know. 00:36:10 Speaker 2: So this ain't a question from me. This is, like I said, I tweeted out, yo, any questions y'all got for Goo? Niggas like, yeah, ask Goo. What a session with Hov is like. 00:36:22 Speaker 3: What they mean with us like? 00:36:24 Speaker 1: I guess they mean like how is it working with Hov? 00:36:27 Speaker 3: It's the same as like me and you. You know what I'm saying? Like we sit down, we listen to music, we pick a beat. You know what I'm saying? And that's part of my, what I do. I can't tell you or speak to you. 00:36:44 Speaker 1: No. 00:36:44 Speaker 3: So I'm going to bring you what I think is good. 00:36:47 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:36:47 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And then what speaks to you, then I'm going to say, what is this saying? And then you start coming with a concept and spitting ideas, and I don't ever want somebody to think, like, I ever wrote one of yours. You know what I'm saying? 00:37:00 Speaker 2: No. 00:37:00 Speaker 3: When you're sitting there and you're like, yo, this beat is saying this, and this might be the hook, or this is the verse, then I start going, okay, take the thes and the its out. 00:37:10 Speaker 1: Yep, that's the one. 00:37:11 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Take the beat. 00:37:13 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Thug for everything, bleak. Yo, you bugging. How many it's in there? Like, chill. Change that up. 00:37:21 Speaker 3: But the flow could be better. You know what I'm saying? But it's not like, that's what vocal coaching, people would say vocal coaching. You know what I'm saying? It's not necessarily, I'm not telling you what to say. 00:37:30 Speaker 1: But how to say it. 00:37:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, just when you write, I'm there with you while you're writing it. 00:37:33 Speaker 1: It was definitely the A & R. 00:37:35 Speaker 2: Slash engineer. You wasn't just no engineer in the studio that just pressed record. 00:37:39 Speaker 3: So that's what it be like with Hov. You know what I'm saying? With Hov, you know the rhyme gonna be good. You know what I'm saying? Is it the right thing that we supposed to be saying at the given time? Did you... Go ahead. 00:37:51 Speaker 1: That's the thing too. 00:37:52 Speaker 2: That's where my train of thought was at when I said I lost my train of thought. One thing I always wanted to clear up, and you the perfect guy who can help me clear this up. Because for so long, In my career, people believe Ho was in the studio with us. 00:38:08 Speaker 1: Remember, you did, after coming to Age Album. 00:38:11 Speaker 3: They think he wrote your rhyme. 00:38:13 Speaker 1: Yes, he was in the studio with me writing. 00:38:15 Speaker 3: He wrote one rhyme. Exactly. In the very beginning as a teenager. 00:38:19 Speaker 1: Exactly. 00:38:21 Speaker 2: I was 14 when I got it. I didn't even know what equilibrium was. 00:38:25 Speaker 1: It meant nothing. 00:38:26 Speaker 3: I'm a testament to it that the rest of your career, because I come in on the second album, is you writing all those rhymes. 00:38:36 Speaker 1: Exactly. 00:38:37 Speaker 2: Because when we was going to do the verses with Santana, one thing Santana said was, is I, you can't, if you're going to do the verses, you can't play none of the songs that Hov wrote. 00:38:50 Speaker 1: And I said, all right, cool. I wasn't playing Coming of Age anyway. 00:38:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one song. 00:38:53 Speaker 2: So you got a fucking problem, my man. You better rethink that. But you got to think, you got to think, too. Okay, let's say a young kid. No, no, just think about it. A young kid, you're getting on in the game. Hov gives you this paper and says, memorize this. Mm-hmm. 00:39:11 Speaker 3: And as soon as you can do this, you can get on. But let's just think of Coming of Age 2. So you wrote Coming of Age 2. And you got to realize that Coming of Age 2 is a mental sport. The whole thing is that the verses are all in somebody's head. and y'all really throughout the whole song if you listen to it y'all only said yo what up one time. 00:39:36 Speaker 2: It's all what we think it's all the thought process it's all thought the whole thing is what's up that's it I. 00:39:45 Speaker 1: Told little homie, what's up? That's it. 00:39:48 Speaker 2: You never supposed, what he thinking, I'm thinking, and I'm thinking, he's thinking. Like, that song, if you really dissect that record, man, that shit, that's why I say, man, back then, you took, like you said, you couldn't be good. 00:40:01 Speaker 1: You had to be great. 00:40:02 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And when I came out, it was no dudes my age. Like, of course you had Ja Rule. Ja Rule is a fucking next level phenomenon out there. Keep telling him, let me hold three muscles, I'll be good. He was just next level writing all kind of big records. 00:40:19 Speaker 3: What was dope though was like the thing of like being at Baseline, making records, knowing what that meant Because we had a perfect trifecta. 00:40:36 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:40:37 Speaker 3: So it was like me and Hop is going to be in the studio with y'all making records. You know what I'm saying? So then Lenny is going to be in the office. Lenny going to be the fly. You know what I'm saying? Fresh every day. 00:40:49 Speaker 1: It was like a relay. 00:40:50 Speaker 3: Boom, boom, boom. And everybody loved Lenny. And then it's going to be G. And G going to go around and kiss the babies. You know what I'm saying? Get the thing signed. He going to do that. G doing that. 00:41:00 Speaker 1: And then Bobby Dash hitting the radio. 00:41:02 Speaker 3: Radio. Yep. So all of that worked together. 00:41:06 Speaker 1: Yep. It was all cohesive. Everybody moving as one unit. 00:41:11 Speaker 3:

Right. 00:41:11 Speaker 2: And that's what made Rockefeller so great at that time. And I always say that was the best time of my life because I didn't have to do nothing. All I had to do was go in the studio and rhyme. The next day, Flex, Clue, and them playing it. It's like, oh, shit. I didn't even know they got the record. That's because Bobby Dash took that record and took it to the radio. 00:41:30 Speaker 3: But a lot of artists don't realize that where it was like, that's the part that you're missing. Yes. As to why your record ain't popping. 00:41:38 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? 00:41:40 Speaker 2: You need that guy that's going, Bobby used to be up there bright and early all day, hanging in Hot 97, hanging in 105. Be like, Bobby, where you was at? He's like, yo, I was at the radio all day. I'm in Baltimore tomorrow. I'm on these guys. We was on everybody. 00:41:53 Speaker 3: What was crazy to me was like, one time when you called me, you was like, Goo, I see everything y'all was doing that I ain't understand. You know what I'm saying? Word up. 00:42:04 Speaker 1: Yo, that's when I got the seat of the warehouse play. 00:42:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 00:42:07 Speaker 2: Because being from the artist side, you know, you just in the studio writing rhymes. And I call you and Jay when I got this chair of, you know, trying to be the CEO, run my own company. 00:42:17 Speaker 1: And you start figuring. 00:42:18 Speaker 2: Out, like, hold on, you paying this, it costs this. 00:42:21 Speaker 1: You need this person for that. 00:42:22 Speaker 2: It's like, wait a minute, Goo was doing seven of those things and then Jay handled all of this. Man, I got to call these niggas and thank them because I didn't even know it was this much work into putting out a project, man. Like, I just thought, write the rhymes, you pick the beat, next thing you know, it's on the radio, but it's a, it's, It take a lot, man. 00:42:42 Speaker 1: It take money. It's more than money. It's more than raps. 00:42:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more than money. And that's the other part. You know what I mean? Let people know. Because people think you can just put money into it and buy it. 00:42:52 Speaker 1: No. 00:42:53 Speaker 3: And it's not that. Because then the richest people will have all the hit records. 00:42:56 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:42:56 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? It don't make sense. 00:42:57 Speaker 1: You can't buy a Grammy. You can't buy a hit record. 00:43:00 Speaker 3: It don't make sense. But you do need the team. yes where everybody believe and everybody is like on one accord and everybody you know i'm saying is moving like okay this is the decision whether or not and that's one of the things of soldiering you know i'm saying so if you want a team and your opinion is heard it may you may not agree with the decision that everybody made but you want a team that's right so go with the decisions. 00:43:33 Speaker 2: Like, that's how it happened going back around here. Remember, Jay and Lior didn't want that record to come out. 00:43:39 Speaker 1: No, no. 00:43:39 Speaker 2: It's plenty of records, bro. They thought that wasn't going to be their first single. And again, here's where the people mess up. You can't take it as like, Jay and Lior didn't mean you no harm. 00:43:53 Speaker 1: No, no. 00:43:53 Speaker 3: They doing what they think is the best thing for your career. 00:43:57 Speaker 1: That's right. So what? Let's say they was wrong. 00:44:01 Speaker 3: Let's say they was wrong. 00:44:03 Speaker 2: Cool. 00:44:05 Speaker 3: They still got the wisdom. So we don't have to sit there and be like, yo, you was wrong a million times. 00:44:12 Speaker 1: No. 00:44:12 Speaker 3: Let me get some of that. 00:44:14 Speaker 1: Right? 00:44:15 Speaker 3: We just be like, yo, it worked. The same thing they told me for what we do. 00:44:20 Speaker 1: Goo. 00:44:20 Speaker 3: It don't have no hook. 00:44:22 Speaker 1: And look. 00:44:23 Speaker 3: That was the joke. They immediately said to me, goo. Me and Hop was like, yo, this is the one. And they was like, goo, it don't have no hook. For what we do. 00:44:34 Speaker 1: Yo, I never even noticed that. Yo, you know I never noticed that, bro, that that record, you right. It don't have no hook. 00:44:40 Speaker 2: And I say to people all the time, yo, radio don't play records without a hook. That's what they used to tell me. But God damn, what we do is wrong. It's a fucking phenomenal record. 00:44:51 Speaker 3: But I don't even look at it like that. That's what I'm saying. When I say look at it like that, like as if they messed up. They doing what they think is right. 00:45:00 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:45:01 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Even as a parent, you know what I'm saying? Like sometimes as a parent, we come in and we teach our kids based off of what we think is right in our time period. That's a fact. 00:45:12 Speaker 2: It may be different for their time period. I had a conversation like that with Dez. I remember when Jay, when we first talked about this, when Dusey first was getting launched and Jay like, yeah, I'm bringing you on the Dusey move. And Dad was like, you don't know nothing about no liquor. 00:45:27 Speaker 1: I said, you right. We all ain't know nothing about none of this shit, but we doing it. Right. You don't know what you know until it's time to know it, man. You got to get out there. 00:45:35 Speaker 3: That's the beauty of the thing is, like, imagine if somebody told you in 1993 that this kid from Marcy Projects is going to be a billionaire. 00:45:48 Speaker 1: Goose. 00:45:49 Speaker 2: I'd have been on the Latin's carpet right next to her. I'd have been like the little monkey on the carpet right with him and the girl. Now, that's just the story of it, right? That's just the story. You're like, okay, cool. Now, break down the odds that you actually know that person. 00:46:06 Speaker 1:

Okay. 00:46:07 Speaker 3: That's a bunch of people that you know from Marcy. Now, break down the odds that my mom and his sister is best friends. 00:46:14 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:46:17 Speaker 2: Yo, I got a story for that one, man. Because I remember asking my mom. This probably was like two years ago. And I'm like, I asked my mom, yo, what made you move to Marcy? Because we originally from Brownsville. Like, my mom's was born and raised in Rockaway Projects, Brownsville. 00:46:32 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Sutter Avenue, Rockaway, Dumont. That's my son. 00:46:35 Speaker 3: Yo, it bugged me out when I found out she was related to Duck Down. 00:46:38 Speaker 1: That's right. Sean Price, my cousin. Yeah. Rest in peace. 00:46:42 Speaker 2: Still, Smith and Wesson, you know, shout out Buckshot. The whole Louisville, the whole Duck Down, man. That's my family. I grew up with them guys, man, putting in work in the Ville, watching them come grinding to what they became mega, mega, mega successful. You know what I'm saying? So I saw both sides, the underground, and then I was with Hov and Marcy. And it was like, that was kind of tough, juggling. Because it was like, damn, do I fuck with my fam? Do I fuck with my man from my building? 00:47:10 Speaker 1: How do you go? 00:47:11 Speaker 3: So y'all ain't messing with each other back in the day? 00:47:13 Speaker 1: No, we did. I used to try to get on with them. 00:47:15 Speaker 2: But them niggas, I remember Sean Price used to always tell me, him and my cousin T-White. 00:47:19 Speaker 1: Niggas used to be like, man, you got to come up, man. You ain't that good, bleak. You got to get better. So I used to be like, all right, I'm working. I'm writing. I'm writing. 00:47:27 Speaker 2: Then I used to go be around Steel. This is back when they was super wild because they was all in D-Seps. So, still used to be like, nigga, you too little. You can't be fucking with me. It's wild out here. 00:47:36 Speaker 1: Get out of here. 00:47:37 Speaker 2: So, you know, he used to shit on me until we, you know what I mean, made records and hit these streets and started moving. 00:47:43 Speaker 3: What's wild is I ain't never go to Brooklyn until me and you went to Marcy together. 00:47:48 Speaker 1: No way. 00:47:49 Speaker 3: Nah, I was always with Bronx. 00:47:51 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 00:47:52 Speaker 2: And nigga, I don't know nothing about the Bronx. That's one thing. Brooklyn niggas don't go to the Bronx and Bronx niggas don't go to Brooklyn. And I don't think it's because we too wild. Is that shit too far? Yeah, that shit too far. That shit number trains. We like, nigga, I don't know where I'm going. All of my Howard dudes, right? 00:48:10 Speaker 1: All my Howard. That's right, Howard U. 00:48:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, all of my Howard dudes is Bronx dudes, so that's Jackson Avenue. St. Mary's Projects, the two and the five. 00:48:18 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. 00:48:19 Speaker 3: Take the two and the five from the 34th, you

know what I'm saying? So I had never went, and then me and you went one day. I forget what it was. I don't know if it was Marcy Day or something, but me and you went to Marcy, and that was the first time I'd ever been in Brooklyn. 00:48:31 Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, nah, the Bronx, we definitely, I don't know shit about the BX. All I know is Fat Joe. And Big Pun. You know what I'm saying? 00:48:39 Speaker 3: Remi. That's my fam. 00:48:40 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Now Ice Spice. 00:48:42 Speaker 3: Jackson Ave. 00:48:43 Speaker 1: Jackson Ave. You know what I'm saying? Oh, my God. 00:48:48 Speaker 2: I can't forget my guy A Boogie with the motherfucking hoodie. 00:48:51 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? That's all I know about the Bronx High Bridge. That's it. You ask me anything else, I'm lost, blood. 00:48:59 Speaker 3: Mad BX Love. Yeah, I'm lost. 00:49:01 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Fucking.... 00:49:05 Speaker 2: I'm glad we cleared that up because a lot of people thought, you know, Hov is out here penning the God verses. But let's, yo, you know one of the illest sessions I ever had with you? And I woke you up for this session. 00:49:17 Speaker 3: But hold on hold on before you even go there do you feel like I put too much pressure on you in terms of like when it was flipping and it was like people was just saying anything and I was just like nah I believe you can't just say anything nah and then you used to argue a lot you know what I'm. 00:49:35 Speaker 2: Saying nah thank you for that hell no nah man Like, the anything rappers, they gone. 00:49:40 Speaker 1: I'm still, you know, I'm still here. 00:49:42 Speaker 2: Because you ain't let me say anything. Right, right. Niggas would have flushed me down the toilet. Spin cycle one time. Get them out of here. 00:49:49 Speaker 1: Flush them. Yeah, nah, I get it. I get it. 00:49:52 Speaker 3: But I used to be, I used to be like, you know what I'm saying, super critic. 00:49:55 Speaker 1: Yes, hell yeah. Goo was the major critic. 00:49:57 Speaker 2: So, I don't know how y'all think I wasn't getting busy because my man made sure we got busy. 00:50:02 Speaker 1: You kidding me? I remember when he first bought 9th Wonder around, man. Yeah, yeah. 00:50:08 Speaker 2: Ninth, now ninth to me, just as one of the greatest chopper, right? He could chop. That nigga chop some shit up. You don't even know what the record was. Ninth is the greatest flipper. 00:50:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, ninth flip joints. So that was like me and Hop was in the studio. And, you know, same thing. We have our ears to the underground. We was listening to the OK Player joints. We was hearing the little barber joints. And then they came with this joint called Speed. And I was just like, yo, what is this? And then this kid named T, he ended up being the dude that was filming the behind the scenes for Fade to Black. So I was like, oh, shit. He was like, me and Hop was listening to the joint. He was like, I know the kid that produced that. And I was like, who? He was like, this kid named Knife Wonder. And I was like, word? You know what I'm saying? I'm calling this bluff. You know what I'm saying? 00:51:07 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, call him. That's how you put it in on the spot. You know, call him. 00:51:14 Speaker 3: Call him. 00:51:16 Speaker 1: Right? 00:51:17 Speaker 3: So he called Knife. I'm like, yo, I'm hearing this. Yo, you got to come, you know what I'm saying, play some joints for the fan. And that's how me and Knife got, it was through the dude T who was filming the behind the scenes. So for all that, Like, behind the scenes, you see a fade to black, that's the homie T. Like, that's my man now. Wow, that's crazy. You know what I'm saying? 00:51:38 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 00:51:39 Speaker 3: That's when we first met. 00:51:40 Speaker 2: Yo, that's ill, my nigga. That's how I feel about... Shout out your artist, Ruben Vincent. Of course, 9th Wonder, y'all got the joint jam on the records, man. 00:51:48 Speaker 3: He became, like, one of my best friends in the world. That's dope, man. If not my best friend. 00:51:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's dope. 00:51:54 Speaker 3: So it was like us coming together with the music, and I was like, I don't know... When a Jedi meet a Jedi. 00:52:03 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? 00:52:05 Speaker 3: It's like, yo, we family. 00:52:06 Speaker 2: Yo, but 9th is a different kind of guy. I just was in Raleigh, right? Not too long ago, me and Freeway had a party out there. So I hit 9th. That nigga hit me back, who this? So I hit him back, yo, this Bleak. He like, Bleak, what the fuck, man? Oh, shit, I ain't have your number. 00:52:20 Speaker 1: What you doing out here? So I'm like, yo, I'm out here for a party. I'm just chilling. 00:52:24 Speaker 2: He like, yo, come by the studio. I'm having a cookout. So I'm saying to myself, I is lit. So I get dressed. Like, usually somebody invites you to a cookout. 00:52:33 Speaker 1: You go regular. 00:52:34 Speaker 2: You know, it's just some regular hood shit. But this is Raleigh. I never been to a cookout at Raleigh. I ain't been there forever. So I'm like, I'm not going to pull up in the block. 00:52:42 Speaker 3: First thing they're going to do in North Carolina is feed you. 00:52:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm like, they're not going to see Blizz who looking crazy. So I get all dressed. We jeweled up. I tell the team, get dressed. We going to cookout. Knife left out one major part of this cookout, that the cookout just was for him. 00:52:56 Speaker 1: It was nobody there. We were the only people there. 00:53:00 Speaker 2: Like, this nigga had mad food everywhere. And I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Knife, you told me you were having a cookout. He said, yeah, I do this shit every Thursday, bleep. I don't care if people here. I do it just for myself because I fucking like cookout food. 00:53:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to feed you. 00:53:16 Speaker 1: Yo, Knife.

00:53:17 Speaker 2: It's ill my G for that I'm like yo my nigga every Thursday I'm pulling up like it's free lunch again you. 00:53:23 Speaker 3: Heard nah he he you know it's just like my brother um during the whole pandemic like he started his thing Fast Auntie Lounge um you know we seen a bunch of people that won off of during the pandemic that's right excuse me so like D-Nice you know what I'm saying we see what he did he murdered them yeah And 9th did the same thing with his Fast Auntie Lounge. And so it's just like, you know, it's like us. Like, those of us that don't, I. 00:53:55 Speaker 2: Teach 18, 19, 20, 21, 22-year-olds every single day. 00:54:02 Speaker 3: I'm not hating on them. It's just the Fast Auntie Lounge is for us. You know what I'm saying? Like, let us have our vibe. You know what I'm saying? 00:54:12 Speaker 1: Y'all can get it later. That's right. Y'all can get it later. 00:54:15 Speaker 3: And I don't be hating on the kids. I don't like the old school, the hate on the kids. Like, that don't make sense. 00:54:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:54:21 Speaker 3: You know what it was like when we was running around. 00:54:24 Speaker 1: They hated it. Like, the old school hated on us. Literally. Hold on. 00:54:28 Speaker 3: This is what the thing is. You at your age, if a young boy look at you and be like, yo, you doing this, blah, blah, blah. You only own a barbershop. No, this is where we at. 00:54:42 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:54:42 Speaker 3: Because he going to look at you and be like, if I listen to you and you've been out here for 30 years and you ain't graduated from. 00:54:52 Speaker 2: The barbershop or nothing. Why am I taking advice from you? Why am I taking advice from you? 00:54:57 Speaker 1: Exactly. I would have been that kid looking like that. Yeah. It's normal. 00:55:01 Speaker 2: Like, don't give me advice that you didn't succeed with. You understand what I'm saying? 00:55:06 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm 100% still that old man that taking that. Yeah. 00:55:09 Speaker 3: Everybody tell you how to do it. They never done it. 00:55:11 Speaker 1: Done it. 00:55:12 Speaker 2: That's a fact, bro. Everybody got their advice how to win that never won. Because to win is no advice. You just go win. 00:55:19 Speaker 3: I'm telling you about somebody who is in there every day with kids on a corner. to kids in college. If you have not produced nothing in your life, don't talk to these young men. 00:55:32 Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's a fact, though. 00:55:36 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? 00:55:37 Speaker 1: That's a fact. 00:55:37 Speaker 3: You shouldn't be talking to them. You got to come to them with facts. 00:55:41 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:55:42 Speaker 3: Not theoretical facts. Get them the facts first. 00:55:47 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:55:48 Speaker 3: Then give them the theoretical of what it could be. But give them the facts first on how to eat. 00:55:53 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:55:53 Speaker 3: You got it. He's hungry. 00:55:55 Speaker 1: That's right. Now. They don't want to hear what could be. They want to hear what's going to be. 00:56:00 Speaker 3: After you feed them, you know what I'm saying? 00:56:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:56:03 Speaker 3: But they say, you know, feed him a fish, he'll eat for the day. Teach him to fish, he'll eat for tomorrow. But guess what? I got to feed him for me to teach him how to fish. 00:56:13 Speaker 2: That's right, because they're not even going to listen to you. If you don't feed them, they're not even going to know where the meal coming from. 00:56:18 Speaker 1: They don't care. 00:56:19 Speaker 3: He hungry. 00:56:19 Speaker 1: Nah, that's a fact. 00:56:20 Speaker 3: I got to feed him to teach him how to fish. That might take me a week. That's some ill shit. That might take me a week. 00:56:25 Speaker 1: Man, that's ill. And these kids done grew lazy, man. I know. 00:56:29 Speaker 3: Now, you know what it is, Bleak? And here's another one. You know what I'm saying? And I want to make this clear. Because we talking hypotheticals and we be doing our, like, and I don't want it to be a thing where, like, your podcast get, you know what I'm saying, attacked. I love the thing of like us when we was young, a thing of therapy and all that. It didn't exist. It didn't exist. It didn't exist. I love that. I love that for us to be able to be like, yo, you know what? I may need to go talk to somebody. You know what I'm saying? 00:57:03 Speaker 1: That's cool. 00:57:04 Speaker 2: The other side of it is that nobody want to tell these kids that they soft. I'm trying to tell you. 00:57:18 Speaker 1: But that's the truth. No, but hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 00:57:24 Speaker 3: I'm with him every day. So at the same time, you can have somebody that's empathetic and understand real generational trauma. Real trauma that comes from so many different angles. I'm with them every day. 00:57:40 Speaker 1: But you know what happens? 00:57:42 Speaker 2: I get a 19-year-old that the little amount of discomfort... It's traumatized. 00:57:47 Speaker 3: It's traumatized. No, you're uncomfortable. 00:57:50 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:57:51 Speaker 2: I deal with it. No, you got to bust through the uncomfortable. I got a son, so I see it, man. 00:57:56 Speaker 3: That's not trauma. The uncomfortable is not trauma. 00:57:59 Speaker 1: No, man. It's just you're uncomfortable, man. 00:58:01 Speaker 3: And it make them soft. 00:58:03 Speaker 1: Right. 00:58:04 Speaker 2: And. 00:58:05 Speaker 3: And nobody don't want to say that. 00:58:07 Speaker 2: And I ain't going to lie, man. It's really because it's a lot of absentee fathers, man. I blame the dads, man. It's a lot of like, I'm a person that grew up without a father. So I know the impact of not having a father in the household. Because my mom had to be both. And it grew to a point where, Ma, you can't tell me nothing. You're a woman. The fuck you going to tell me? So I had to learn in the street. And it wasn't until

me having a son. knowing what the Jews or son needed. Because I couldn't imagine leaving my kid out here without the proper knowledge or proper tools. 00:58:42 Speaker 3: The crazy part is. 00:58:43 Speaker 2: It's ill that, like, I had the exact opposite. 00:58:48 Speaker 3: Yeah. So my father's the head, not only the head of my household, but the head of my family. So the cousins, my dad's the, like, of all of it. That's right, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I remember when the 40-40 opened. how many ties I had to tie in the front of baseline. 00:59:14 Speaker 1: Mine, too. Mine, you tied my joint. Nobody knew how to tie a tie. That's a fact. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: Nobody. 00:59:20 Speaker 1: How many ties? 00:59:22 Speaker 3: I was like, yo, you don't know how to tie? 00:59:23 Speaker 2: Goal. 00:59:24 Speaker 3: I ain't never tired of time. 00:59:26 Speaker 2: Nope. 00:59:26 Speaker 3: I ain't never been on a job. Yo, yo, what's crazy is I said, you realize Bleak ain't never been on a job interview? 00:59:34 Speaker 2: Yo. Yo, chill, because my man Fred C, my man Fred C said all the time, like, bleep, man, how the fuck, that don't even sound right. 00:59:42 Speaker 1: How the fuck you never been, you never had a job? 00:59:45 Speaker 2: Or, nah, but because you got to, like, literally at the age of 15, 16 years old, you got older Gs. 00:59:52 Speaker 3: Like, yo, saying to a promoter, I know he's 16 years old, but he's on this record. 00:59:57 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:59:59 Speaker 2: Hov used to pay $ 1, 000 to get me at every club to perform. He used to have to pay one of the bouncers $ 1, 000. Like, I don't K-16. He got to get in his club. He got to wreck it out. And that's a fact, yo. So I know Bow Wow had drama out there. 01:00:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, no. 01:00:14 Speaker 1: It's real. Bow Wow probably missed major bags. 01:00:17 Speaker 2: But you got to realize how lucky that is. 01:00:20 Speaker 3: And you be like, yo, like. I had my father and my mother. Yeah, no. 01:00:25 Speaker 2: My moms, when they used to send that blue card from school to go on the trip, my mom had to. 01:00:30 Speaker 1: Fill out both sections. Mom and father. 01:00:33 Speaker 3: I had the moms that taught special ed. So my moms knew all the hookups in the hood. You can get. Free this here. Free lessons here. Free music here. Free this here. My mom's taught special ed. Yeah. And all the thugs, you know what I'm saying? My mom taught them. 01:00:50 Speaker 2: It's so crazy that me, my hustle as a kid, I used to get paid for taking J-Nephews to school and picking them up. That was like my first hustle. I used to get $ 100 a week. So be like, yeah, well, I'm going to get... How many times a week y'all need me to get them? I'll be there every day. So that's my only job. 01:01:09 Speaker 1: I never. 01:01:10 Speaker 2: And I don't take pride in saying, yo, I never work because I work for everything I got. 01:01:14 Speaker 1: But they scooped me off the block at 14. 01:01:17 Speaker 3: So now you definitely work. You definitely work. 01:01:19 Speaker 1: There was no job out there for me. 01:01:21 Speaker 2: But that's why when Rockefeller was over, when Hov talked about, yo, this shit over, I'm looking at him like, nigga, what am I going to do? And I remember Hov looking at me like, nigga, yo, I spoiled you your whole life. Like, I had the red carpet out for you. It's time for you to figure it out. You got to fly, young man. And I hit the ground running, man. You know, Duse popped off. I remember they thought I couldn't do it. 01:01:47 Speaker 1: Here we are, baby. Yeah, do what you want. You know what I'm saying? They know what that Duse is. 01:01:52 Speaker 2: Shout out my G-Rugs out there putting that foot on their neck. 01:01:55 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 01:01:56 Speaker 1: Do what you want. That's exactly what we did, Goof. 01:01:59 Speaker 3: In my will somewhere. 01:02:04 Speaker 1: But that's the bugged out part because people think that, Bleak. 01:02:07 Speaker 3: They be like, oh, Goo, you good. Bleak, you good. 01:02:11 Speaker 2: And I be like, no, that is a break glass in case of emergency. 01:02:17 Speaker 1: And it's not an emergency. 01:02:19 Speaker 2: Not while you still got two working hands and breath in your lungs. 01:02:24 Speaker 3: But also, too, you want to do it. Like, okay, this is the thing I'm interested in. This is the thing I'm interested in. Okay, let me go do this. 01:02:32 Speaker 1: Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yes. 01:02:35 Speaker 3: For the first time in your life, you were like, yo, if it get all the way. 01:02:39 Speaker 2: To where I ain't got nothing, then I'll break that glass in case of emergency. 01:02:46 Speaker 1: Other than that, we out here grinding, man. 01:02:49 Speaker 3: No, no, because this is somebody you love. 01:02:53 Speaker 1: That's right. 01:02:53 Speaker 3: So the point of view becomes This person already has to deal with a whole lot of stress. A whole lot of people trying to talk to you, boom, boom. Why would I add on to that if I really love you? 01:03:07 Speaker 1: Exactly. 01:03:07 Speaker 3: It's the same thing of, you know, I'm going to keep it funky. I'll be trying to, like, you know, protect everybody, but... It's like you saying, yo, Carlene didn't give me these amount of tickets. 01:03:21 Speaker 1: Oh, yo, I can't wait to get Carlene. 01:03:22 Speaker 2: We gave you seven. We gave you seven first. We gave you seven tickets first. 01:03:26 Speaker 1: And you wanted more. Yeah, Carlene, that's my girl. 01:03:29 Speaker 2: So she said on top of that, I could give you two. You ain't say that part. You ain't say that part. 01:03:36 Speaker 3: It's cool. 01:03:37 Speaker 2: But that's my point. On a show day, I'm never going to stress Carlene. No, not on a show day. It's no, she barely got it. Thank God she answered that phone. That's like me on a show day. Around 4 or 5 o'clock, I'm going to turn my phone off. 01:03:53 Speaker 1: That's

right. 01:03:54 Speaker 3: Because as much as this is a thing of like, yo, I'm going to come watch the Jay show. 01:04:00 Speaker 1: I got to perform. And I got to be on point on time. 01:04:03 Speaker 3: I got to be on point. 01:04:04 Speaker 1: And lose my fucking job. Yes. 01:04:06 Speaker 3: If I'm not on point completely. 01:04:09 Speaker 1: Straight up. 01:04:09 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. So I'm never going to stress my people. On those particular days. I already know what that is. 01:04:17 Speaker 1: That's right. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: They don't know how hard it is. First of all, them Jay-Z, Beyonce, those M Show tickets, man. This is why I love my G's, man. Y'all think it's easy like me and Google just sit here. Yo, we need 10 tickets. We pulling up. Yeah, you better have 10 cashed out tickets because every seat with every ass is a paid seat. 01:04:44 Speaker 1: There is no free ass and no free seats out there. 01:04:48 Speaker 3: That's like me saying, no, listen, listen. That's like me coming to you and being like, yo, you my man. Your wife work at Circuit City. Yeah, I need mad TVs. 01:05:00 Speaker 1: I need mad TVs for free. 01:05:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, plug me. Put me on. Hook me up. Wifey in there. I need all the TVs in the back. 01:05:08 Speaker 3: Not a discount. 01:05:09 Speaker 1: I need them free. 01:05:10 Speaker 3: I need them free. 01:05:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even want the friends and family, form, price, nothing. I just need them free. 01:05:16 Speaker 3: I said, yo, fam, I don't work. I work for Jay-Z. 01:05:22 Speaker 1: That's right. 01:05:23 Speaker 3: I call goo. I do not work for you. 01:05:25 Speaker 2: Listen, for the Beyonce shit, I even call goo. That nigga goo like bleak now. 01:05:30 Speaker 3: You know. You know. 01:05:32 Speaker 1: I don't got. 01:05:33 Speaker 3: No plug over there. 01:05:34 Speaker 2: There's only one person you can ask for that. You got to call big dog. 01:05:37 Speaker 3: I don't feel like I'm supposed to be the person that's supposed to add on to the amount of stress already, no matter what city you in. it's a superstar in that city. 01:05:50 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. 01:05:51 Speaker 3: And they expect to get a free ticket. 01:05:53 Speaker 1: That's a fact. 01:05:54 Speaker 3: They expect to be well taken care of. That's a fact. They expect to, like, even talk to, and I'll be like, If she even, you know what I'm saying? 01:06:02 Speaker 1: I seen them tell certain people, get out of here. 01:06:05 Speaker 3: But just listen. You still got to be super on point with the dances, with the outfit changes, with the lighting, with the. 01:06:13 Speaker 1: Yo, yo, Goo, chill. You was in Africa with us, right? Yes. 01:06:17 Speaker 2: Were you like, yo, you got to be on point. You just brought back a memory. Yo, you almost died in Gabon, my G. And I love my African people. I fucking love Africa. Listen, Tanzania, Gabon, Cape Town, Nigeria, Ghana, fucking Joburg. 01:06:37 Speaker 1: We done been everywhere. 01:06:39 Speaker 3: You talking about when electricity gave out? 01:06:41 Speaker 2: No, that was at the hotel. I'm talking about the club where we performed that. Remember, we did stadiums the whole Africa. We did stadiums. And there's one particular spot in Gabon I fucking almost died. 01:06:55 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:06:56 Speaker 2: Because I don't think y'all came with me. I went with Randy to the show before y'all came. And we getting through, so all the people bum-rushed the car. So Randy telling the people, yo, y'all got to clear that gate. Hov never going to pull up to the show. Y'all got to clear the fence. So me, I'm just sitting back, not talking, just watching. So I'm like, all right, I want to see how they going to clear, because it's about 10,000 Africans in front of the gate. 01:07:22 Speaker 1: So I'm like, How are they going to clear this game? So I'm saying to myself, what the fuck are they going to do? 01:07:28 Speaker 2: These niggas pulled up a box truck, opened the back of the box truck, and let out like 20 dogs. And they had, you know how in New York we got the batons, the shit they pull out? No, they had tree limbs, like bark from the tree, as like a weapon. 01:07:47 Speaker 1: And they told them, yo, you got to clear the fence. 01:07:50 Speaker 2: They put so much blood in front of that fence, bro, that I literally had to tell them, yo, chill. Hov don't want y'all clearing the fence like this. Y'all got to chill. Y'all violating. Just tell people to move. You don't have to bust everybody's head to get them to move. 01:08:06 Speaker 1: Like, chill. 01:08:07 Speaker 2: So that's what had me thrown off. 01:08:09 Speaker 3: My takeaway was, like, I had to meet y'all in Taipei, Taiwan. I don't know if you remember this. In Taipei. 01:08:18 Speaker 2: I remember we was in Taiwan. We was in Taipei. And we had to get, um, which album was it done? I'm trying to remember which album it was. And I had to bust through the front to get to y'all in Taipei, Taiwan. 01:08:35 Speaker 3: It was crazy. We had so many tour stories, yo. 01:08:37 Speaker 2: Yo. Like, And Ho was the foulest, man, because you know, Goo, I used to hit the street, go get the weed for us. 01:08:43 Speaker 1: Remember, I felt the weed in Japan. 01:08:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no. 01:08:46 Speaker 1: That nigga. Hold on, hold on, hold on. 01:08:47 Speaker 3: Yo. 01:08:47 Speaker 1: What? 01:08:48 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you. 01:08:50 Speaker 1: Yo. 01:08:51 Speaker 3: The best steak I ever had in my life. 01:08:53 Speaker 1: Oh, my God. 01:08:54 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. The best steak I ever had in my life was in Japan. That's right. With you. 01:09:00 Speaker 2: Bro nick yamazaka out there you know i mean big this my guy poker stars he won all the money he got all the money you're out there spending all the money richard millie's for just. 01:09:09 Speaker 1: Wednesday you know that's

how you do it. 01:09:12 Speaker 2: But yeah we now we went to the joint yo and it was like yo yo we went we went in a in a room And they brought this steak that I've never tasted ever again in life. And it was almost perfect because the dude was, like, standing outside the room. 01:09:33 Speaker 3: But then every time, like, you put your fork down, he'd come in. 01:09:36 Speaker 1: You remember they brought the shrimp alive? 01:09:38 Speaker 3: Oh, my God. 01:09:39 Speaker 1: And, yo, listen, they put. 01:09:40 Speaker 2: The shrimp on the grill. The shrimp was alive. They put the shrimp on the grill. Them shits started screaming. 01:09:48 Speaker 1: Them shits like, eee! Yo, I looked at Goo like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. That nigga Goo like, what? Yo, eat that. It's the best part. You mug it. They squished the face down. 01:09:58 Speaker 2: All that nigga Goo was in there on his African shit, eating the face, everything. 01:10:03 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I don't even know who this dude is no more. He turned Japanese on me. Yo. 01:10:11 Speaker 3: Yo, we had some times, man. 01:10:12 Speaker 2: Yo. 01:10:13 Speaker 1: We had some times. I forgot about that Japanese trip, yo. We had some times, yo. Yo, Japan. No, nothing is worse than China, though, man. 01:10:21 Speaker 2: China, them niggas will walk up to you in the middle of the street with a chocolate centipede. 01:10:25 Speaker 1: Like, you want? 01:10:26 Speaker 3: Fuck you mean I want? 01:10:28 Speaker 1: Hell no. 01:10:30 Speaker 3: I took a picture, right? Because it was a sign that was like, ROC, Republic of China. 01:10:37 Speaker 2: Any trafficking drugs through here, subject to death. 01:10:42 Speaker 1: Subject to death. 01:10:44 Speaker 2: So, hold on. Hold on, hold on. So, you got to understand. So, as we travel the world. 01:10:51 Speaker 1: We get the blood everywhere. Everywhere. 01:10:53 Speaker 2: So, it be certain places where I be like, yo... If Bleak got to be without weed for like three days. 01:11:01 Speaker 1: I'm going to die. I'm going to die. Yo, I'm going to die. 01:11:04 Speaker 2: I died in Korea. Yo, I died in Korea. I left a part of my life out there. They don't even know Korea. 01:11:10 Speaker 1: It's Seoul, Korea. It's a part of Bleak there. 01:11:13 Speaker 3: They don't understand. 01:11:14 Speaker 1: Hold on. 01:11:15 Speaker 3: I'm really looking at the calendar. I'm like, yo, so Bleak got to be without weed for like four days on this part of the thing. 01:11:23 Speaker 1: Hold on. 01:11:24 Speaker 3: So it's like already, and this might have been like Blueprint 3. Where it was like already 10 people in J-Band. Then Bleak had him and his people with him. You know what I'm saying? So people get this confused. There's a B-Ha and a B-I. There's a B-Ha that's J's cousin. There's a B-I. That's my man. That's Bleak man. 01:11:48 Speaker 1: And they grew up in the same building. Right. Yeah, they both from the same building. 01:11:56 Speaker 3: Right? So hold on. So we all on the bus, and this is like, yo, it's a day where I'm like, yo, it's going to be like four days where this dude don't have no weed. 01:12:07 Speaker 1: Joe. 01:12:07 Speaker 3: Understand, Bleak is the coolest person in the world. He's my brother. Do not be around this man when he ain't got no trees. Yeah, you're going to meet full-fledged Malik. Oh, yo, my bro B.I., he always say, yeah, you Memphis Bleak. A lot of people don't know who Malik is. When they meet Malik, they like, fuck that nigga. 01:12:27 Speaker 1: I don't like him. Bring Bleak back. Yo, word up. 01:12:34 Speaker 3: Yo, I was doing my best. Yo. I was doing my best. Yo, listen. To try to find this man some trees. But four days went by, and I swear to God, if it wasn't my man, he was like at the point where it was like. 01:12:50 Speaker 2: I'm telling you. I asked the promoter. Yeah, yo, fam, where can I get the bud? 01:12:55 Speaker 1: That nigga was like. I'm like, what you mean? No, where we get the weed? Like, no weed out here. 01:13:03 Speaker 2: I can get you anything else. They don't do no drug that slow you down. You want drugs that keep you up working? I got that all day. But if it's going to slow you down, we're going to send you to jail. 01:13:16 Speaker 3: So a lot of people don't really understand. A lot of my career been also like trying to keep this nigga out of jail. 01:13:24 Speaker 1: Right? 01:13:25 Speaker 3: So we go to this joint. It's downtown. We walk in there. It's us. It's MOP, Fab. It's a bunch of people. The VIP's so packed that I'm like, all right, it's uncomfortable in here. Let me get out the VIP. I don't know what the fuck happened. I'm in the front of the VIP talking to Lays from M.O.P., right? So it's, you know, it's M.O.P., it's Fox, it's Lays, it's all of them. So I'm talking to Lays. Me and Lays is kicking it. All I hear is a ruckus. Just start in the VIP. 01:14:04 Speaker 2: Dude. 01:14:06 Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, shit, this us. 01:14:13 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I turn around. Yo. 01:14:17 Speaker 3: Yo. And I look and I see Bleak gone. Now that Bleak gone, I got to come up there. 01:14:21 Speaker 1: Yep. 01:14:22 Speaker 3: It was on. 01:14:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was on. 01:14:24 Speaker 3: It was on. So when the cops come in. 01:14:26 Speaker 1: They locked us in the club that day. 01:14:29 Speaker 3: They locked Bleak and Leaky. 01:14:32 Speaker 1: Yep. Right. 01:14:34 Speaker 3: But we downtown. 01:14:35 Speaker 1: Oh, man, yup, me and Sheik, yup. 01:14:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, we downtown. They took us down. 01:14:38 Speaker 1: Right? 01:14:39 Speaker 3: We downtown. So I'm trying to talk to the police officer to tell him, like, you know what I'm saying? First of all, I'm trying to play the Memphis Bleak card. You know what I'm saying? Early with the police officer. 01:14:49 Speaker 2: They like, nah, they going through. Yeah, they going down. They going down. Nothing you can do. They going down. Word. 01:14:55 Speaker

3: Try to play that early. I try to play the Young Guru card. That ain't work. I try to play the, you know what I'm saying? I know the promoter card. That ain't work. You know what I'm saying? 01:15:05 Speaker 2: Hov is the goat for that, too. Because the next day they had us in court, right? Yeah. 01:15:10 Speaker 1: He had Carlene in court with the envelope. 01:15:12 Speaker 3: No, but hold on. Before you even get to the next day with Carlene. So these two niggas, you know what I'm saying? This is like 2 o'clock in the morning. Yep. We go through. 01:15:21 Speaker 2: Cool. 01:15:21 Speaker 3: All right. So I call Carlene. I'm like, yo, Bleach just got arrested. Don't tell Hov. 01:15:31 Speaker 1: Yep. Lock this up. 01:15:33 Speaker 2: Right? 01:15:35 Speaker 3: So, we go down there, and these two niggas is in the pen on some gangster shit, making it worse. 01:15:44 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:15:45 Speaker 3: Throwing shit, fighting it. I'm like, yo. 01:15:47 Speaker 2: We have to make room, B. We need that bitch. We ain't sitting on no floor. We need that bitch. Niggas got to move. They know how to fucking get. 01:15:55 Speaker 3: Forget all that gangster shit. I'm trying to get you out of here. 01:15:58 Speaker 1: Word up. We ain't sitting on no floor while they can cheat, no. Trying to get you out of here. Trying to get you out of here. 01:16:05 Speaker 2: Yo, but yeah, home sent Carlene to court the next day. She had a hundred grand in the envelope. 01:16:10 Speaker 3: Call the lawyers, Carlene. 01:16:11 Speaker 2: Yep, just in case. I got to bail you out. But yeah, me and Sheik had to go to trial for that. For that bullshit, man. Shout out Stacey Richardson, too, because she beat the case. 01:16:21 Speaker 1: I had on a white suit, man, and she was like. 01:16:24 Speaker 2: Yo, if y'all beat this kid up this bad, broke his jaw, did all of this, and you got on a white. 01:16:30 Speaker 1: Suit, how come ain't no blood get on you? Like, I don't know, girl. She was like, well, we going to put this suit in court. 01:16:36 Speaker 3: This was a normal night going out with Memphis Bleak. This was a normal night. 01:16:40 Speaker 1: Regular shit, my G. 01:16:42 Speaker 3: That or it's plenty of nights. Again, back at that time, we was like running up and down the whole East Coast getting bags. You know what I'm saying? Going crazy. If it's north of D.C., Bleak is going to go tell the turtle top to go to A.C. 01:17:00 Speaker 1: That's right. You're on our way to A.C., baby. Shout out my nigga A.I. 01:17:05 Speaker 2: Used to see Allen Iverson in there all the time at the three-car poker table. 01:17:10 Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you. 01:17:12 Speaker 3: If it's north of D.C. 01:17:15 Speaker 1: We out. 01:17:16 Speaker 2: Bleak is going to go at 2 o'clock in the morning. 01:17:19 Speaker 1: A.C. 01:17:20 Speaker 3: He's going to go, yo. Yo. 01:17:21 Speaker 1: Let's go to A.C. That's a fact, yo. 01:17:24 Speaker 3: So I would take out a certain amount

of money. And if I lose this. I'm done. I'm done. These niggas will be in there until like 6 in the morning. 01:17:34 Speaker 1: Until the sun come up. 01:17:36 Speaker 3: We used to be that motherfucker. 01:17:37 Speaker 1: The sun came, the sun up. We driving back down to Jersey. 01:17:42 Speaker 3: Yo. You dropped me off at my house. 01:17:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to be on some ill shit, man. 01:17:47 Speaker 2: One of the illest days that we had, though, that turned out to be one of the best sessions was the day we, remember we was in the studio and I forgot what studio, I think we was in Rock the Mic. 01:17:58 Speaker 1: And we was waiting. I think you went to sleep, too. Because I caught, no, you was in the studio. I was home. 01:18:04 Speaker 2: And Swizz called me. It was like, Bleak, I got it. It was like 5 in the morning. I pulled up to the studio, picked Goo up. We went right to Swizz's studio. That nigga like, I got the record. Goo like, play it. 01:18:17 Speaker 1: Nigga played like that. 01:18:19 Speaker 2: We recorded that record right there on the spot, 5 in the morning. By 9 a.m., we are at Rockefeller Def Jam playing that record. This is the single. They looking at us like. 01:18:35 Speaker 1: Where y'all made this record at? 01:18:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, last night. 01:18:37 Speaker 1: Them niggas sent the young guns right to Swiss, too. 01:18:41 Speaker 3: That's true, too. 01:18:42 Speaker 2: Them niggas took our swag. They like Swiss over there making shit like this. All right, send the gunners over there, baby. 01:18:48 Speaker 3: We be one of those, too. Swiss was on fire. Swiss was on fire. 01:18:52 Speaker 1: Swiss was on fire. 01:18:54 Speaker 3: That like that was different. That's one of them joints that when I play in Dubai. 01:18:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still green. I can play anywhere. 01:19:03 Speaker 2: I remember we got off the plane to Africa when we went on the Africa tour, the Water for Life. That shit was on the radio. The first song, we all jumped off the plane getting in the car. Nigga Hov, everybody jump in the car, turn on the radio. That's the song on the radio like that. We was bugging like, oh, shit. 01:19:20 Speaker 1: Word, man. 01:19:20 Speaker 3: That was crazy. I was definitely sleeping bass line. No, rock the mic. 01:19:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was rock the mic then, man. That's crazy, man. Fucking like that session. Shout out, Swiss. 01:19:30 Speaker 1: It's crazy. DJ Enough was in the studio with us, too. Yeah. 01:19:34 Speaker 2: I don't think I got 1,500 spins from you enough. Probably owe me like 60 spins. 01:19:42 Speaker 3: This nigga bleak is crazy. 01:19:43 Speaker 2: He probably owe me like 60 spins, E. 01:19:47 Speaker 3: You know what it is now? It's like, it ain't even about the spins. It ain't even about playlists. It's about culture. It's about, like, you know what I'm saying? 01:19:58 Speaker 1: That's it, man. 01:19:58 Speaker 3: It's about culture. That's it. That's it. That's all you got to do. Like, people getting tired of the normal formula. It's just about culture, man. Like, that's it. 01:20:12 Speaker 1: Culture, integrity, staying true, you know, and believe what you believe. Don't be a follower. 01:20:18 Speaker 3: Like, I think that's the one thing. The thing that's going on today. No, but that's the one thing. 01:20:24 Speaker 2: If you was to look up loyalty in a dictionary, your face is like next to it. 01:20:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, I should definitely. Me, Yayo, you know, Jungle, our face should. 01:20:34 Speaker 3: Definitely be there. Your face is definitely next to loyalty. Definitely should be there. 01:20:40 Speaker 2: But I definitely, like, I just want to say these young kids today, man, before we, you know, sign off or anything, Stay true to yourself, man. 01:20:49 Speaker 1: Integrity. 01:20:49 Speaker 2: Stop being followers. Because, like I said, I own Warehouse Music Group, and we steady looking for talent. And people always say, yo, Bleak, why you don't sign niggas from New York? And it's like, all y'all niggas, if it ain't A Boogie, y'all niggas is Chef G and Sleepy Hollow sound-alikes. 01:21:05 Speaker 1: And it's like, bro, they have they lane. Artists, you have to do what you do. 01:21:10 Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine in our era me trying to sound like Jadakiss, Styles, or Sheik. or Lil' C's, or Ja Rule. Like, it would be, like, blasphemy. Angus would have had my head on a chopping block. 01:21:23 Speaker 3: People seeing that, with the decline in, like, the sales of hip-hop music, people seeing that, and I think it's a bunch of young, like, New York cats, and females, you know what I'm saying, that's killing it. 01:21:38 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:21:38 Speaker 3: It's going to take a next generation of executives. So, my dream, my dream, Bleak, is, like, The next executives are supposed to be 22 years old. Yes. You know what I'm saying? If you think back to how young we was when we was doing it, that next... Irv Gotti, that next Dame Dash, that next Jay-Z, that next, you know what I'm saying? 01:22:04 Speaker 1: They the young boys. You got to give the young boys a shot. It got to be the next, yeah. 01:22:07 Speaker 2: And they can't, of course, it ain't the music. Like, I'm not, never knocking the music, the drill sound, whatever these. 01:22:12 Speaker 3: Kids is into. 01:22:13 Speaker 1: I love it. I like it. 01:22:14 Speaker 3: It's so many sounds in New York right now. 01:22:17 Speaker 2: Yes. That's what I see. It's too many similar. That's the only thing I don't agree with. 01:22:22 Speaker 3: On the radio. 01:22:23 Speaker 1: I just heard a dude send me a song and he was rhyming. 01:22:25 Speaker 2: Like Ice Spice and I was like, fam, like for real, Ice Spice, my nigga, like, this is a girl. 01:22:32 Speaker 3: It's a lot of. 01:22:33 Speaker 1: It's like, I never heard a nigga in my era rhyme like Lil' Kim. 01:22:36 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I'm in tune with these young boys. 01:22:39

Speaker 1: This shit is getting fucking spooky out here. It's a lot of different things. Niggas did not want to be Lil' Kim. 01:22:45 Speaker 2: These niggas out here want to be Ice Spice. 01:22:47 Speaker 1: This shit is crazy. And she winning, winning, winning. 01:22:51 Speaker 2: Between her, Lola Brooks, fucking, of course, Nicki, Cardi. 01:22:56 Speaker 1: They the staple. 01:22:57 Speaker 2: But the new young girls out here winning, the girls is applying pressure. And I knew this was coming because I used to say Eve was making it hard for these niggas. She used to go in the booth and bully these niggas. You got Remy been bullying niggas. You know what I'm saying? And now the girls is like, fuck. 01:23:15 Speaker 3: It only makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Like. I've been saying that for years. Like, if you think about my whole career, it's through women. You know what I'm saying? So from Narshalon. 01:23:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all got Rhapsody. Rhapsody. 01:23:26 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? 01:23:26 Speaker 1: Narshalon was a beast. 01:23:28 Speaker 3: Like, that whole thing. But the thing about it is it's just like they got to let them be them. That's right. You know what I'm saying? And not put them in a. 01:23:41 Speaker 3: A box that we have. That's right. 01:23:43 Speaker 1: And y'all new artists, don't be them. Let them be them. Right. You don't be them. Right. Okay, you be you. Let them be them. Please. 01:23:54 Speaker 2: Because that's the advice. I remember being a young dude, right? Before Jay, Jazzo, I remember Jay used to be coming through the hood with Jazzo. Before they even gave me an opportunity, I used to always ask them, yo, what's the advice for You would give me, like, I remember telling Jazz, yo, bro, I have troubles writing hooks. 01:24:12 Speaker 1: I don't know how to write a hook. And that nigga was like, just keep writing. It'll come to you. Just keep writing. That was always his answer. Hov, too. Yo, Hov, how I do this? How you make a signal? Yo, just keep writing. 01:24:23 Speaker 2: You'll get it. So that's what I give. You got to develop your own sound by just keep writing. Turn, tune everything out and do you, man. 01:24:31 Speaker 1: Trust me. 01:24:32 Speaker 2: If you great, we going to figure it out and we going to know this. And that's what it is, baby. You know what it is. 01:24:38 Speaker 1: We here. Rock solid. Before we sign off, though. 01:24:42 Speaker 3: Wait. 01:24:43 Speaker 1: Goo. 01:24:46 Speaker 2: How did you feel when Beans came at the crew? Like, when Beans went that hove. Like, I know me. Then it shattered my heart. Like, that's my bro. You know, we passed that now. But what was your mind state at that time? 01:25:04 Speaker 3: It's always been elevations. 01:25:06 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 01:25:08 Speaker 3: You know, everybody feel how they feel at a certain point. 01:25:11 Speaker 1: And I. 01:25:13 Speaker 3: Just be like, I just be wanting to have conversations. That's it. You know what I'm saying? 01:25:16 Speaker 1: I feel like conversations. 01:25:19 Speaker 2: Can be the solution to all problems, but some people always got a problem for every solution. 01:25:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. Not my God's secret. 01:25:26 Speaker 3: But still, but still, it don't matter. Like, there's nothing that can't be talked out There's nothing that can't be addressed. There's nothing I feel as though like as elder statesmen. 01:25:46 Speaker 1: That's right. 01:25:46 Speaker 3: And especially people that have been through it. Even if it's not just an example for a younger generation, there's nothing that nobody can't talk to. 01:25:58 Speaker 1: That's right, and can't get to the bottom of, man. Yeah, that's it. 01:26:01 Speaker 2: And you know I'm glad we passed that. You know it was a dark era for our crew, man. And my last question, before we get out of here, you think it'll ever be a Rockefeller reunion tour? 01:26:13 Speaker 1: You think it's possible? 01:26:14 Speaker 3: No, absolutely. 01:26:15 Speaker 1: Ooh, you heard it here first, baby. Absolutely. Rock solid. You know what it is. We remain. 01:26:21 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 01:26:22 Speaker 1: Boom. 01:26:26 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows at. And you can follow me on any social media platform under the name Memphis Bleak. 01:26:39 Speaker 1: You see anybody fronting, flag them.