התמלול המלא של Pickle Juice, Imposter Syndrome, And Infinite Worth - with Mark Brower

I don't know, 20, 30 minutes later, the 50k people started. 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:07.280 This is my first ultra ever. 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:09.599 We're going up 7,000 feet elevation. 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:17.039 We're running up in the pine trees, and we're going up on the side of this, you know, volcano that's snows on at Flagstaff, the only ski resort up there. 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:29.120 Anyway, um, and I come I come up on this dude, and he is your quintessential middle-aged beerbelly, you know, just like, what is this guy doing? 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:33.280 Not the specimen of a specimen of health that you would think is running a hundred mile race. 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.280 And I I kind of was I was curious. 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.319 I was like, I was like, hey man, you you're doing the hundred miles. 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:39.599 He's like, Yeah. 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.719 I'm like, hey, um, well, rock on, dude. 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:43.919 Like, it's fantastic. 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:47.439 Like, how like like how do you how did you get into this? 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:49.039 And he's like, I'm just really stubborn. 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:50.960 Yeah, I I I feel like that. 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:52.400 I feel that in my soul. 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:56.159 It's you are so stubborn, Tony. 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.960 I tell people, you know, I am not fast. 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:02.240 I just have learned to suffer really well. 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:10.639 I'm just willing to be in the moment and just grid it out and be stubborn until I achieve what I set out to achieve. 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:12.000 Part of your identity. 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:21.840 We just in our last episode talked about habits, and if you can you can connect your habits to your identity, it's a really powerful lever to make sure that you do that that thing. 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.759 I was thinking about that after that last podcast that we recorded. 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:35.120 I was curious what makes people actually change their identity and what keeps people stuck in the identity that doesn't serve them. 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:36.800 That is fascinating. 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.680 That is a really fascinating question. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:41.680 Did your brain come up with an answer? 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:48.080 Well, we we talked a little bit about last time we talked about you know who you surround yourself with makes a difference. 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:54.400 Uh I I can't remember when, but me, you, Pablo, we were we were either having a chat or a conversation, I can't remember. 00:03:54.479 --> 00:04:05.599 And was basically, you know, I was thinking back if if my mom said, Well, Mark, Pablo, and you know, those guys are gonna jump off a bridge, would you jump off a bridge too? 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.400 And I'm like, probably, that's what we do. 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:11.280 That's our that's our people. 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:14.879 It's right like a bungee cord attached to us or something. 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:15.439 Yeah. 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:21.040 So I was just thinking, like, it definitely makes a difference of who you're surrounding yourself with, the mentality of the people. 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:23.120 Are they gross-minded? 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:24.720 Are they fixed-minded? 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:34.639 You know, having having the the mindset that this is the worst I'll ever be, and tomorrow I will be better, and the day after that I will be better. 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:44.240 Or I'm afraid to put myself out there because I reached some level of success, and now people see me as achieving that level of success. 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:56.000 I can't break that identity, and so it keeps me frozen at this level because if I try to do something new, I'm probably not going to be good at it because I don't have the reps yet. 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:06.079 I would have to step out of my comfort zone, I would have to be somebody different to do something different, and it's safer for me to hide behind this identity that's already created. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:11.360 And I think that those are the two directions that people are faced with. 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.439 Summarize that with fewer words. 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:14.160 Say it again. 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:22.160 Well, you can either be fixed mindset saying I've achieved some level of success, and this is it. 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:23.199 This is this is it. 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:24.079 I'm capped. 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:29.600 Or and so I don't want to try something more because I will fail. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:36.480 And if I'm failing, then people won't see me as being good anymore. 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:38.959 That's so so intolerable for me to hear you say those words. 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:39.360 Go ahead. 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:40.720 What's the next that was the better one? 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:42.800 Well, you told me to say it with fewer words, I forgot that part. 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:44.240 No, no, no, no, yeah, no, that was good. 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:44.639 That was good. 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.000 It was just painful to hear again. 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:46.319 Go ahead. 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:46.959 Second one. 00:05:47.199 --> 00:06:00.079 So the other part is I showed up, I stumbled my way to this point, I did enough reps that I was able to get it right, because it's not just the repetitions, but it's the iterations. 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:09.759 You know, we're not gonna do 20 things poorly in a row, we're gonna do 20 things and iterate and make each one of the times I do it just a little bit better and a little bit better. 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:24.720 And so when I live and and try to do something new, I always feel like I'm living with imposter syndrome because I'm always pushing how can I do a little bit better? 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:26.399 How can I do

something I've not done yet? 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:27.920 How can I stretch and grow? 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:32.879 So that's the growth mindset of this is the worst I'll ever be. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:33.199 Okay. 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:33.839 Today. 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.600 I may have worse days because I'm not performing well. 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:39.759 So that's part of your identity. 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:41.120 Yes. 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.480 Like how core to your identity is what you just described? 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:55.680 I think I think people, if you there's books out there that talk about those two mindsets, the fixed mindset or the growth mindset. 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:58.160 And I think we all have a little bit of a combination. 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.319 I don't think it's a light switch, I think it's a pendulum. 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.079 But for it depends on which which part of our life we're talking about. 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:09.920 Okay, but for you, like is that is that deeply part of your identity, this growth mindset? 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:10.959 I think it is. 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:21.120 One of the things I learned early on when I was really sick and I didn't know if I was gonna make it, and I started getting a little bit better. 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:22.800 I started searching for my limits. 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:26.000 And the harder it's I search, the harder they are to find. 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:28.959 And it's just become I know one day I will find it. 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:36.480 We we got pretty close with the AFib and the you know, the cardioversion and maybe having to do the ablation and all of this stuff. 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:42.720 But even with that, I'm I'm not ready to say I've peaked yet. 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:44.079 What what what is that? 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:45.839 Like, what are you trying to prove to the world? 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:47.040 Is this healthy, Tony? 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:48.879 Like trying to prove something to the world. 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:59.759 Why why attach your identity to constantly pushing and moving and and striving and reaching and and daring and dreaming? 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:00.160 Why? 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:01.040 I don't know that. 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:02.160 That is a really good question. 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:12.240 And when I did this this presentation uh a while back, I told people at the end of the presentation, I said, I want to share with you my two biggest fears. 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:36.399 My two biggest fears, obviously, after making sure my family's taken care of and that sort of thing, but my two biggest fears is number one, I will die with unrealized potential, meaning I could have done more, I could have been better, I could have contributed to others more, I could have helped others grow in ways that they needed to grow to be who they could become so that they could have a bigger impact. 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:40.320 So the first one is I would die with unrealized potential. 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:45.200 And the second one is that I will wake up one day and realize that my best days are behind me. 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:47.360 And those two things drive me. 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:54.720 I don't know if it's healthy or not healthy, but those two things definitely have become of a part of who I am. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:01.440 And the more you try to find your limits, the more you realize you're capable of so much more. 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.279 And that momentum just continues to carry you forward. 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.639 So I'm still on a search to find my limits. 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:10.879 It's a beautiful thing. 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:18.559 My biggest fear is that someday I'll stand before God, open my hand up, and there will be only one talent in it. 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:26.639 And for anyone listening that's read the parable of the talents in the Bible, you'll know that that was the foolish and slothful servant. 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.039 And I think there's a deep wound from my childhood. 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:30.480 I'm getting way too deep here. 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:31.919 Let's actually share. 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.799 So this is such an impactful story from the Bible. 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:38.639 Share briefly what we go to the story is. 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.679 So the master had three servants. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:48.240 And to the first he gave five talents, and to the second he gave three, and this to the third he gave one talent. 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:54.559 And he went away for a season and he told his servants to, you know, go multiply their talents. 00:09:55.039 --> 00:10:01.039 And the first one, when the master came back and asked for an accounting, a paraphrasing, you guys can correct me if this is wrong. 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.879 The first one showed ten talents, and he said, Well done. 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.120 The second one that was given three showed six talents. 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:17.600 And the final servant came and said, Lord, I know that you are a demanding businessman. 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.120 And I knew how valuable this talent was to you. 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.960 So I dug a hole and I buried it and kept it safe. 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:27.679 And now here it is. 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:29.519 I have it for you. 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.879 And he said, Thou foolish and slothful servant. 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:39.279 And he took the one talent from that servant and gave it to he that had produced ten. 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:41.840 What is the story here? 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.240 The story, but there's a lot of takeaways. 00:10:45.600 --> 00:11:01.919 But I can tell you for sure, I do not want to be the person who opens his hand with one talent and have to try to spin this story about how you're such an amazing God that that I buried what you gave me so I

wouldn't lose it. 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:09.759 This is the essence of scarcity, fixed mindset versus abundance mindset. 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:19.440 We are here on this spinning blue ball, hurtling through space at unbelievable speeds to multiply what we've been given. 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:38.080 And I feel a very strong inner desire to do that and to do that in a way that glorifies God, that plays by the rules, and that creates as much value for other people because I've found when I do that, I also feel deeply connected to the world around me, to myself and to God. 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.120 And I feel really good about the work I'm doing. 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:51.279 I know, I know that each of us is infinitely and already infinitely valuable, worthy of love and belonging, infinitely worthy of love. 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:58.639 I know I don't need to multiply my talents to be worthy of the applause of man or worthy of acceptance. 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:06.159 And so in the last year, specifically, I've tried to move away from performative self-worth measures. 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:15.039 Um, but I still deeply fear um standing in front of God someday and not not be able to report that I made the very most out of this life. 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:22.639 I want to suck all the marrow out of the bones and I want to create the most good that I can and have the deepest, most satisfying relationships. 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:27.440 And I'm not sure that desire is a hundred percent pure and from a from a good place. 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:48.559 I think there's there's fear there, but that's what I'm trying to shift next is to move from a a fear-based performative self-worth locus of creation to an abundance, uh charity, full love, already having arrived at infinite worth, place of creation, and that's a different topic. 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:51.120 Okay, so what is what does that look like? 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:56.639 So, what's the takeaway for for our listener for both of the things that we just shared? 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:04.720 Because I think what we shared showed a lot of who we are on the inside and what drives us. 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:11.519 And I'm sure that there's listeners that either identify with one or both of those identities. 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:14.240 Okay, I have a quick thought. 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:14.720 Yep. 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:16.639 Sorry, jump in, I don't want to lose it. 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:27.440 I had a I had a call with a life coach today, one of uh one of my support group that I have that I've established around me that's helping me in this journey. 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:41.759 And I told the life coach that I feel at this point in my life like I'm running towards things that scare me. 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:51.200 Like I'm I'm like I'm like pursuing with enthusiasm, with excitement the things that scare me. 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.279 And he said, you know, that's really interesting, Mark. 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.600 Mel, he's reading Mel Robbins' book right now. 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:57.519 Maybe it's it's the book Let Them. 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:05.120 And he said, Mel Robbins says that fear and excitement are the same thing on opposite poles. 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:18.879 And I am just, I don't know why, Tony, but I've never fully been in this place before where I am purposely and enthusiastically moving toward anything that scares the crap out of me. 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.279 And it is so rewarding. 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:25.840 I've never been more willing to make a fool of myself in my life. 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:27.840 You at the MX Summit? 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.720 Did you see me out in the rodeo grounds spinning on the bat? 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:32.480 No, I I didn't get to see. 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:33.600 I heard about it. 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:37.919 So it's it's such a beautiful, liberating place. 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:47.120 Once we decide that we're a hundred percent okay being a fool and looking like a fool, then the whole world opens up. 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:51.519 Relationships open up, learning opens up, adventure opens up. 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.240 My son calls this eight miling yourself. 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.600 You mean you know the uh the the singer-rapper Eminem? 00:14:57.919 --> 00:14:58.480 Oh yeah. 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:00.639 I know I know where you're leading. 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:01.600 I'm I'm just letting you know. 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:02.399 What did he do? 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:03.120 What did he do? 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:12.720 When he rapped, when he was in a rap battle, he eviscerated himself to the point of absoluteness. 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:19.120 Like there was nothing left that his opponent could say that he hadn't already said about himself. 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:24.399 This is the most powerful place I can imagine coming from. 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:32.399 The absolute, total, raw, brutal honesty about everything you're ashamed of in your life spoken from your mouth first. 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.200 Where else could anybody go? 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.080 And uh it's it's it's fascinating. 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:39.360 I was up in Idaho. 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.799 I flew up Sunday night, came back Monday, Monday afternoon. 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:47.600 Unfortunately, my son tore his labrum at jujitsu, first night he ever went. 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:48.399 So sad. 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:49.919 He was so excited to go. 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.600 And he's an amateur bodybuilder. 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:53.840 This is a massive setback for this guy. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.759 And uh I went up there to support him. 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:01.039 And I had a chance to actually drive back to the airport with one of his roommates who was flying back down to Arizona. 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:10.080 And this this kid who had just met my son Dane

a couple months prior, and I'm gonna get I'm gonna get emotional here, said, you know, I really, I really admire your son. 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.399 He's the most honest person I've ever met. 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:14.639 I was like, what? 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.639 This is like proud papa moment. 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:18.080 This is amazing, you know. 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:18.799 Say more. 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:25.120 And he said, and he said, it's because of you, because you never lied to him growing up. 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:32.320 And and so what my oldest son does is he like he almost has no, he has no shame, no detectable shame. 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:44.639 And he will candidly and frankly and openly share what most people would never share about themselves as a matter-of-fact expression of this is who I am, this is where I'm at. 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:49.840 And nobody has any leverage over that position. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:56.559 You can't possibly demean or criticize or manipulate someone that just eight miled themselves. 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:57.600 Rant over. 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:58.480 Back to you, tell me. 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:05.920 I feel like you did that in the last episode where you admitted that you were a sock, sock, shoe, shoe guy. 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.079 Like, I mean, come on. 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:12.799 Like, how how much lower can can a guy go than being a sock, sock, shoe, shoe? 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:14.400 It just doesn't make any sense. 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:16.799 Uh, I believe I believe in that. 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:21.759 I believe in what uh what you're saying about accepting who we are. 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:27.839 I I say that uh we should accept who we are and we should be content. 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:39.599 One of my biggest mantras when I'm trying to achieve something or I'm trying to become somebody is to be content but not satisfied. 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:45.440 Meaning, and this goes back to the story we talked about last time with Lindsay Vaughn. 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:47.440 She was content. 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:49.440 She's content where she's at. 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:55.359 She's content with the effort she put in, she's content with who she became through that journey. 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.160 I know in her mind she's not satisfied. 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:09.759 I know she's thinking all I gotta do is repair the ACL on this leg, and then I gotta go and get the three surgeries to repair the bro the broken bone and I'll be back to achieve more. 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:20.720 Maybe not at the Olympics, but she will put herself back out there, and I think that it is be realistic with where you're starting, being content with your progress you've made. 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:29.599 That's a lot about the gap in the gain that we've talked about in previous podcasts, but then it's the strive to become more. 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:30.720 Beautifully said. 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:32.480 Alright, we're gonna wrap this one. 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:33.839 Alright. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:36.400 Man, that seems short. 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:37.759 It is short. 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:38.480 It's okay. 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:40.079 I'm the tall one. 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:41.279 You're the short one. 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.359 Sometimes we sometimes we too tall. 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:44.160 That's true. 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:50.400 You know what I what I say in our coaching business is make things as simple as possible, but no simpler. 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.359 Meaning if you took something away, you'd break it. 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:59.359 But if you added one more thing and it doesn't drastically improve the outcome, don't do it. 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.799 Bro, we should talk about Elon Musk's five-step engineering process. 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.319 Have we covered this yet? 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:06.079 We did a long time ago. 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:07.039 A long time ago. 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:08.640 It is so beautiful. 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.359 You want to cover it now or you want to cover it in the next episode? 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:12.960 Next episode, stay tuned. 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:14.480 Keep them coming back. 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.279 Did we we didn't come up with our snack yet, right? 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:27.519 Bro, I mean, pickle juice and pickle flavored pretzel sticks might sound nasty to most of our listeners, but that's because you're not on the trail yet. 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:29.440 This is Mother's Milk on the trail. 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:34.160 The pickle juice, like I'm telling you, Tony is not leading you astray here. 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.759 Pickle juice on the trail can hydrate. 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.960 I it I don't know, it's just a magic elixir for sure. 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.119 Speaking of magical elixir, I am curious. 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:50.480 I have not seen, are we boycotting liquid death at this point because they have not sponsored you yet? 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:51.519 What is the deal? 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:52.079 Yes. 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.799 This is this like protest behavior. 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.519 I know I haven't cracked open a liquid death for a minute. 00:19:57.759 --> 00:19:58.640 It's been a minute. 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:00.799 All right, let's get that stocked up. 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:03.039 All right, get on out of here, guys. 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:04.160 All right, you got this. 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:05.759 We'll see you at the next aid station. 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:06.480 You're doing great. 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:08.400 You are doing fantastic. 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:23.440 Go, go, go run from an abundance of acceptance and love, knowing your infinite worth and you've already arrived at that place of being uh deserving of love and belonging. 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.799 Thanks for tuning in to the Property Management Success Podcast. 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:31.759 We'll be back with another value packed episode to help you level up your property management game. 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:36.720 If you've got something valuable out of today's episode, please share it with a friend or colleague. 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:43.200 And don't forget to subscribe and leave a review so you never miss out on future insights and strategies and tactics. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.680 Until next time, here's your success.