התמלול המלא של The Hand That Holds the Purse: When Feminism Forgets Women

teacher to come in and speak to his economics class and also the financial planning class. And most of them were boys. And that's where it all starts. I mean, we have to have a good understanding of just the basics of financial management, which my mom was really good. I basically was raised by a single mother, even though my mom did get remarried when I was very, very young, but he was an alcoholic. He was, he'd never paid his taxes. He stole from people that I knew, including me. So financially, he made it even harder on my mom, okay? But my mom was very diligent about making sure that I understood how to balance my checkbook. This is back in the day when you had to do it on the statement that was sent to you from the bank. And then the piece of financial advice that I had was that I had to leave a-- I had to have $100 that was unaccounted for in my bank account in hopes that it would keep me from ever bouncing a check or over drawing my account. So by $100, obviously, it wasn't having to do a lot. And That was the extent of it. I didn't know how to save. I didn't know how to automate my savings and investments. I certainly didn't know what to invest in. And so a lot of these pieces are just the basics. And the sad part is we spend more time learning about history, which now as I get older, I understand more importantly why history is important, so we don't repeat it. But we spend more time learning about history than we do about learning how to deal with our financial future. When our financial future is going to follow us every step of this journey that we have. I mean, the Bible says, you know, where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Well, where is our treasure? And what do we do with it? And how do we make the most of it? And how do we make sure? And this is what I'm so focused on in helping women is take responsibility for ourselves, whether we are married or not, that we understand where our money is, that we understand how it's gonna keep us safe, how it's going to take care of us for the future. And if we are married, is the money gonna still be there on the very real chance that my spouse might need care and drains the assets because 80 % of men die married whereas 80 % of women die single. So how are we gonna make sure that the assets actually make it through to where she's not destitute by the time her spouse passes away? So I always say your financial plan, it doesn't matter if your spouse understands it and you don't, what really matters is that you understand it because the likelihood of them seeing if your plan worked or not is very slim. Yeah, we're not talking about this enough. We're focused on our national debt, expenses are high, things are expensive for the average American family. That statistic that you just quoted, and I've seen you on video talk about this, I think bears repeating, 80 % of women will die married, which means 80 % of women will be widowed and have to handle the financial costs of whatever

happens to their spouse. And then that life, and women live longer than men do, and here we are in this chunk of time they have left. And I'm so glad you're doing this because I don't think that we're certainly not talking about enough and we're not really educating our kids as they come up into their own financial accountability, which is so different. I mean you're talking about writing your balance on an old statement. Yeah, we used to have the checkbook and you'd balance it that way and now it's a little bit, it's better with technology but it's also more complicated and I think that one of the challenges you know better than I do, but it seems like one of the challenges for these kids trying to build credit, understand personal finances and protect themselves in that way right now in this digital age is that we just have all of these options and they are all digital. You've got PayPal and Zelle and these cards they can get and it's not as tangible. They're not out there with 20 bucks in their pocket and when it's gone, it's gone. So, do you think that our Kids have additional challenges even with these options and it kind of living out in the cloud in the ether, their wealth, their available funds. We have a real challenge on our hands in that respect in educating them. Well, you know, my husband and I have taken an active role in helping our kids have the knowledge and the information and how to help them put it into practice. And one of the biggest things that I have done personally, well, I can first go back to one of the Valentine's gifts that I asked for my then -boyfriend, not -husband, and he was like, "I'm not giving you that." I'm like, "Please, I want, I need it. "I need it. "Will you please buy it for me?" And it was Quicken Software, and - I am not kidding you. I have run Quicken software since before we were married. And we've been married now two decades. And that to me was, it was really the heart of understanding at least what I had and being able to see it all in one place. And so for my oldest son, who's now married, I have a wonderful daughter -in -law. They both happen to have the same first name. That's always a fun one. They're both Morgan spelled exactly the same. Yeah. But for both Morgan and Morgan is my husband and I have taken the time and continue to sit down and talk through their finances and get really raw about it. Because if they're in their 20s and they can have a better understanding of how student debt needs to be paid off and how you can really maximize the money that you have and paying off debt in certain sequence and it's not always the one that's the highest card. Sometimes it's the one that's just the biggest cash outflow. It really depends on what's going on. So there's multiple things, but getting back to even what my mom did, she taught me just some basic knowledge that helped me well into those early years. Now, where I fell short, personally, was I actually married my high school sweetheart. It

ended up ended very quickly within three years. And so I was divorced at 24. And I had a zoology degree. So, so let's just say financial security isn't screaming, right? And so I didn't, I didn't know how to manage my own money because I really did rely on him to do it. This is very much the part of my evolution of why I became so outspoken to women and like really trying to shake them and go stop making somebody else your your financial plan. A man is not a financial plan. Somebody else is not your financial plan. The government is not your financial plan. Social security should only account for maybe 40 percent of the income we need in retirement. But a lot of people think It's going to be more than that. Of course, a lot of younger people think it's not even going to be there. Sure. And with the issues happening, yeah, we'll get to that. I think we need to crack into that at a point. But I love what you're saying, that this is the education that we need right now. Because politically, which is a cultural issue, politically, we have identified a married couple in a financial respect, You know, filing jointly and joint bank accounts. And I think that we're having a major cultural shift right now as we see more divorce happen, two income households, men and women operating financially in different ways and at different levels than they have previously. Our legal system has not caught up here. Our family law system has not caught up here. that the people that are vulnerable here are women. So I love that you're saying that. Spouse is not your financial plan and the government is not your financial plan. I think that's important. - And the other component of that is, 50 years ago, the woman was managing the home and the kids most typically, right? And then as this time period shifted, and as you had said, we've got dual And a lot of times, I want to say the statistics is over 40 % where the woman is the major breadwinner with inside the household. But what is still happening consistently, and I think this is part of just women's natural tendencies, is they still handle the house. They handle if kids are in the picture now, they're making sure that kids are organized, and they're going where they're supposed to be going and making sure that they're showered up at night and that the laundry's done and a lot of the home aspects are being handled and so that financial component is still on the man to do but the problem is she's handling all of these other pieces but she still doesn't understand the one that is going to be the most important for her in the future. And so it's it's not that you have to be in intricately involved in every detail and understand all the inner workings and specifics of indices and where it's invested and how it's invested, but the why of it is really important. Why do I have this investment? What is it going to do for us, me, long term? And that's the piece that I had to really grapple with myself because I'm still to be completely blunt. I still don't get that interested in looking at my investment accounts. My husband still loves pulling money up, seeing how things are going. I honestly don't, but I do the downloads every single month. I know what our net worth is doing. I know the trajectory of our investments. I know if maybe we have a little too much in cash and that should be reallocated into something or maybe we want to hold for a little bit, whatever that might be. So I still have a hand in what's going on and a deep understanding of how it's good for both of us, but I don't have to necessarily be involved in all of the intricate details of it because that's something that is more of interest to him. But it's still being able to use this balance and not just bearing your head in the sand because you talked about divorce, gray divorce. That's people who've been married longer than 25 years, the fastest growing divorce in the nation. And so 25 years, you have a lot of women who are finding themselves 45, 50 divorced. They have no idea what to do with their money. And then women do one of the most detrimental things and they keep the house 'cause it's the emotional piece. I wanna keep the house, you take the investments. And it's the investments. You can't spend your house. I know you want to keep it and I know the emotional tie. I know because I know what it's like to go through the great recession. My husband and I nearly lost everything at that point. We're almost a million dollars in debt. It was horrendous and we lost our home. It was one of the most devastating and humiliating things for me. And my youngest son was born in that home. in that home by design. It was overlooking where we got married. Yes, there was emotional tie to it. But when that time came and I was like, this thing is toxic. This is not working anymore. This is not serving us long term. I'm done with this. It just had to be willing to just separate and say for our long term success and solvency, we need to let this thing go. And it was devastating at the time, but now I can look back and see how God restored everything, and then some in the years to follow. But sometimes we just have to be obedient to what's right and not what feels good. Yeah, yeah. Do you think that anyone at this point can rely on social security, Medicare, Medicaid, with what's being exposed and how it's being managed? What's your take on what we can depend on in that regard for future, for retirement. - Well, I love me some Elon Musk. I am not going to deny that. I mean, there are definitely pieces about him that I could do without, but I actually really liked Elon. I had read Walter Isaacson's book about him about a year or so ago, so before he got into this space and really do admire the brilliance of Elon, but most importantly the fact that he has built these worldwide world changing companies and he has done it always with this this idea in mind of delete, delete, delete. And if you don't need to bring back

about 10 % of the things you've deleted, you haven't deleted enough. And this man has created incredible companies. I mean, it's laughable that the Democrats hate him now because they loved him not that long ago and his company and his car, right? But he is really, I don't know somebody on this planet who could be more prepared to take the largest economy, the largest company in the world, the U .S. federal government, and to be able to figure out ways to make it more efficient and effective. I mean, I'm sure you've probably seen this side -by -side of the Raptor 1 engine that he had for SpaceX, and then a few evolutions later, and it's cleaner, it's tighter, and it's more effective. And So, I still have faith that Social Security and Medicare will be there to the degree in which it was in the past, maybe not so, but it would be massive, massive, massive calamity. I always spoke at my women's events about this when I was talking to them about financial work and effort and things like that, is I I do believe it will be there. It will just slowly over time change in order to still meet some of the need. 'Cause you can't just like one day have it there and then it falls off a cliff. - Sure, yeah. - You know, our elderly population, you just, there are so many other things that would go before that. So I am very hopeful and optimistic that the work that Doge is doing in keeping it really starting to just look at just the waste just plain and simple looking at how many people collecting Social Security. I mean we've seen it's just like a person on there that's listed as 350 years old. It's like this is so ridiculous but yet here's a man who's so brilliant and the archaic -ness, if that's even a word, of the federal government system to track data, the fact that we find out retirement documents are in a freaking mine. You're like, "What?" - That one was a real, and apparently we have known about this for a while, but I don't think the general public knew about it. - Yeah, no idea. - So that was interesting. It also seems to be a good time now that, you know, Doge and the Trump administration, they are getting their hands wrapped around what has been happening with these agencies and what's really going on, and where the money is flooding out. They're saving taxpayers money. I love the Doge count. I love seeing how much that is calculated out to be savings per taxpayer, But it just seems like a really good opportunity for Americans to assess their finances. And I would encourage people, I know you do this all the time, but I just think we have this kind of pocket of time right now. These four years, we don't know what's going to happen. You know, hopefully, hopefully good things continue. But there is the possibility of a next presidential administration coming in and unwinding a lot of things that will affect us in our personal finances. So I think it's a good time to be to be looking at things. I want to ask you about your hat. Ah, yes indeed. XXXY. Yeah, what's going on there? Oh, goodness gracious. Well, so I'm an affiliate with XXXY Athletics and for any of your listeners who don't know, that company is owned by Jens Se. She was the chief marketing officer in line to be president or CEO. I kind of forget which one of Levi's. And after 23 years, they basically cut her loose because she started talking out publicly against the COVID lockdowns. And there was so much blowback from the public against her that they eventually said, "We don't think you have a place here." And so instead of taking the severance, which would have caused her to sign an NDA. She said, "I'm not going to take it. I want to be able to publicly talk about what has happened and what I've seen." And so she wrote a great book, Levi's Unbuttoned. I highly recommend it. But she started a new company, and her company has built off all the things that she learned, being the CMO of a massive organization like Levi's, and marketing and understanding how to market to people. But then that coupled with the fact that she was a longtime athlete, a gymnast as a kid, national athlete, and exposed all of the abuse, the sexual abuse that was going on through athlete A, which many people have seen on Netflix. And so she saw what was continuing to happen with boys playing in girls sports, with trans identifying males that were participating in women's sports and starting to take over trophies and spots and locker rooms and all these things. And she decided to take all of these components that she has and create a company that is solely and completely focused on one thing. And that is fairness in women's sports, which means getting men out of them, no matter what space that is, whether that's in the private space or the public space. And I'm helping to just further that mission and bring awareness that there is an issue. There is a problem. And even with Trump's executive order, he recently signed saying that there are two sexes and that men can't play in women's sports. And the NCAA, quote unquote, said that they were going to abide by it. No, no, we have a huge fight still on our hands. And I'm just one of the people out there trying to help other people understand that it's real, that it exists, and that we all have to, as the silent majority, as I have been in the past, really really until this last year and half or so that we have to be willing to speak up and speak out for these young girls and not rely or not push that on them to do for themselves. Well that's great and you're right it is a majority you know this issue is the data is showing us that a strong majority. Yeah it's actually we We usually see those kind of numbers with that much discrepancy on one side or the other, but a strong majority of Americans do believe that men should not be allowed to compete in women's sports. And we're not giving this issue up, you know, you and I were talking about this earlier, that a lot of the issues that we saw come up and really be

talked about a lot and discussed a lot in the 2024 presidential election, they have calmed. We're not talking about them as much or the executive order came through and people are accepting that. This issue about transgender athletes, the debate over Title IX and what the NCAA has done, it continues. And the briefings that we're getting right now in DC, I just think this is going to be an issue that we're going to hear about going into the next election cycle. And so, your perspective on this is really interesting and what we're seeing it's coming down to really is the determination as a nation of can a person choose their gender. So the NCAA came out, you know, right after Trump signed the executive order, which I kind of have to laugh at how he did this. It's the most Trump thing ever, right? So We have the Protection of Women in Girls in Sports Act that was signed, and they're also very lopsided, by the way, if anybody wants to look into how that vote came out. And then Trump's executive order is something like, "Keep men out of women's sports." He just cuts through all of the junk. And then the next day it was reported, "Hey, this is great. The NCAA is coming alongside the Trump administration and this executive order and saying they will not allow this to go forward in these athletics, but Riley Gaines had to speak out just recently saying, you know what, they're not doing what they said they were gonna do. This is-- - Exactly, well, 'cause it says-- - Their policy is-- - Yeah, go ahead, yeah, I mean, it says that it's what's on your birth certificate. And in 44 states, you can change your birth. I mean our our our governor just posted how proud he was that he has just pushed through 500 backlog applications to change gender on a birth certificate and not only that was was also so proud that they took the time period from 10 months of that being able to happen to now three days. So the NCAA says whatever you're in Washington Washington state yeah so whatever is on your birth certificate is grounds for what team you can play on and and even before that was really clarified the NCAA said yeah that you have to compete against the gender you were assigned And yet the next line says, but those who, you know, whatever gender identity they associate with can practice and still be in that space with women. So it's like they can still be part of the team, they just can't compete against them. So that means they can still go into their locker rooms. And it's just, this is the thing that is, that for me personally is the driving factor of why I speak out and why I partner with XXXY Athletics. Mine isn't that I have a daughter, and I have three boys, as you mentioned, eventually I might have a granddaughter, but I don't have a current dog in the fight, so to speak. But it was so visceral for me when this started to come about, especially back in '22 when Riley Gaines had this thing with Leah Thomas and I was just like it all it did was just bring back my memories of being a competitive swimmer as a kid that was the first sport that I started in and then for a athletics I was most athletic and in a playing division one volleyball at the University of Washington which my alma mater offered a scholarship to a man to play on the women's volleyball team so again these things are it's like for me I it's just like I just think of my younger self imagining being in a locker room in junior high having to undress just that alone after some practice is bad enough a girl saying but then imagine having a man whether they're the same age or whether there are some dude who says he's 45 and he identifies as a woman and he gets to go into my locker room and shower with me in this big open space and This is very visceral for me, but the part that has been so frustrating as I've seen a lot of the comments online from people who are in that 78 % who very much say this is not okay, they say two things, they say one, rightly gains, they need to get in contact with rightly gains as if she's the savior of the world and it's going to be somehow be able to make all this go away if she doesn't have enough already on her plate being the in the voice. But the the main thing that people say is when these girls, when these girls, when that team, when these girls, and it's always abdicating to teen girls, my god, can you put more pressure on an age range that already has the worst amount of pressure they will probably have in their life on them, just to grow up just to go through puberty, just to be able to deal with social media and what that's like being a teenager. Thank God you and I didn't have that as teenagers. But so then to also expect them to be the ones that have to put their neck out on the line and potentially lose friends, potentially lose their standing at school, potentially have lawsuits. As I've seen just recently, I've got in contact with a girl who's in Olympia in Washington who she was just she just sat out just said if I ever am in that situation I'm not going to play and she did she sat on the bench didn't make this big scene about it. And then when she was leaving she walked by that that male player and just said you're a man. And the teachers union is looking at filing a lawsuit or bringing some sort of, yeah, something against her for bullying. - Oh, wow. - Or looking at an individual who openly identifies and says, I know I'm a man, I know I have different, you know, there's two great YouTube videos, interviews by Brandi Cruz here locally, one with the girl, Francis Stout, and then one with the transgender athlete as well. And they're actually just fascinating listening to both sides of it, but the point that so bothers me is that if all the silent majority just continues to sit back and wait for other people to talk, it's going to take so much longer for us to just get this thing eliminated. 'Cause there is no gray, Kyle. There is no gray to this situation. And the reason being is, there's an NIH

study, there's multiple, but if you go to the NIH website about auto gonophilia, so there is gender dysphoria and they you know, these studies that have been done, about 8 % of men who outwardly identify as a woman suffer from gender dysphoria. The other 92 % are autogynophiles. They are men who receive some sort of physical excitement from dressing up as a woman. and then many of those get even more aroused by going into spaces that are specific to women. So if we are allowing the less than 10%, because we don't want to hurt their feelings and they're dealing with something significant and we allow the 90 % who have a sinister ulterior motive, whether they can identify identified or not, doesn't matter. There's no in between. You can't let one in and not let in the other. Then it becomes subjective. And we can't do that. And so that it's just like, that's why it takes many more of us to speak up and say, no, this is unacceptable. I know we want to be nice and we've been trying to not hurt feelings, but that's what's led us here. And And women are being put in prisons now having, you know, men who identify as women being put in there and they're getting raped and impregnated. And I mean, it's just a much bigger issue and it's not going away because it's not only visceral for me. It's visceral for a lot of people when they really stop for a moment and they think about it. Yeah. I think a lot of us are hopeful that now that we're entering in this time of, you know, welcoming common sense back, and This is a pretty logical one to fix, and not only are we protecting women, but we are not putting that responsibility onto them to fix a problem that has been put on them that isn't fair. They're the ones who've had to sacrifice, and it's wrong all the way around. But on top of that, you know, we've got real confusion in this country about what being a feminist means. You know, How are we supporting women? How are we protecting them? And we've been hollered at for so many years about promoting women, giving them a seat at the table, breaking glass ceilings, respecting them, giving them opportunity, and here we are stripping them of every single one of those things. And gaslit to believe that, you know, that's the right thing to do. It's absolutely, you know, through the looking glass, we are really turned upside down on this. So I'm glad to hear about what you're doing and also hearing from you that we just need to be speaking up. We need to not be quiet about this. It's a significant majority and the more people who do take a stand, who speak up against it, the better chance we have of getting this issue solved. So I appreciate you speaking to that. - Yeah, absolutely and for any of your listeners who are in that space that I was a couple of years ago. And they're like, I just don't, you know, I don't want to welcome the negativity. I went through that, kind of wrestled with it. And I just knew that God was calling me into this space. I just knew it. I mean, the tagline on my Instagram was very clear up at that point, only positive motivational content here. - Yeah, right. So I had to, I wrestled with it for a while, and I kept coming back to the same thing. I kept being drawn into this conversation because I knew my 10 -year -old self deserved it, that I wasn't gonna be that woman who sat by and got to have the best parts of athletics and experienced that whole thing, and then turn around and pull the ladder up on my 10 -year -old herself and not give her the same opportunity. And it's not just, you know, elite athletes. This is just even participating in a junior high sport. A girl will choose to not do it if she's no, she's going to be, you know, changing next to a man in a restroom. And it's just, I can't sit by and allow that. And so, yeah, for me, I just had to be willing to willing to start. And for a lot of people, it just means liking and commenting on posts that are specifically talking about this subject. Sometimes that is the first step that people need to take, is just to put their voice out there and willing to just have their name attached to it and say, this isn't right, because maybe somebody else that they know is following that same post, and they're going to see their friends liked it, and then maybe even commented on it. And then you can look at, well, then what are other ways? Well, then of course, you can repost, and you can share. And if it's not on social media, buy athletic gear from XXXY Athletics, because you know that it's going towards supporting that cause, that specific cause. I modeled for Nike. I did a lot of athletic modeling in my 20s and into my 30s. And Nike was the pinnacle for me. It was everything that represented my childhood. And for me to have to start looking at the things in my closet that just make me go, you, you are not standing up for women. You have not been that voice of reason and hope and you know, having Dylan Mulvaney sell women's sports bras is just And then, not even just that, just watching him bounce around because he has no athletic ability and he has no idea what it's like to be an athlete. It is offensive, right? It is offensive. Are we allowed to say that this is so offensive? It's a mockery, really, of femininity and womanhood. And I like what you're saying because this will have a domino effect. Even if someone is not feeling that they are able to speak out as publicly as you are. Every bit of support in the ways that are comfortable to each individual will have a domino effect here and I'm glad you're bringing up Dylan Mulvaney because I just read an article about how makeup companies are now starting to incorporate more male models and that everything that has traditionally been special about women, about beautiful about women, unique and that should be celebrated and that we hold sacred the sovereignty of womanhood is being attacked and taken from us and really we no one is speaking out enough we appreciate the executive

orders we appreciate you know these commercials calling out Nike and and people like you speaking up but really I'm waiting for the wave of outrage Truly because we're gonna get to some point. There's gonna be something this is my prediction that I'm gonna make that is so bad That is so offensive because right now. They're just chipping away but but we're gonna hit a point as a country culturally where where There's nothing left that is sacred to women and and I would hate to see us really have to get to that point to get Right on this issue. Well, and I have So I think like 12 states that are openly defying the executive orders and mind Washington state being one of them. And so just being able to tell my local community, hey, just letting you know, OK, if you thought that this was going away, our state is one that won't even comply, who's willing to go to court over this to protect these a handful of athletes to be able to participate in lieu of protecting the women behind them. And I think that that's going to be part of it, because people thought, oh, great, the executive order, this is wonderful, and it's just going to solve this, and now we can move on and we can talk about how it's expensive in the groceries again, and I want gas prices to go down. And we will, I mean, those things still matter to people. That's what matters more to them unless they specifically have a dog in the fight and they have a daughter who's affected by this. But I think that that's going to continue as long as we have other people in government who are unwilling and are actively defying the presidential orders to not allow men into women's sports and spaces and you know, I mean and like we mentioned the prisons I mean that is so disgusting to me that an incarcerated woman who has no Place to go except for the place that she is assigned Could have somebody assigned a man as her cellmate And it's just wild to me because It's not like we're checking body parts and then saying like, okay, you don't have the part that can be weaponized, right? So okay, you're okay to go in here. I mean, there are a million other issues with that, but it is so mind -blowing that we are putting biological males in a prison cell with a biological woman. We know what's happening, there is physical evidence, there are pregnancies, as you mentioned, and that this, again, that this is not a national outrage over what we're doing, and prisoner rights and basic levels of respect, we're not that barbaric country that does this, and those barbaric countries would never let a man who's a woman into a woman's prison, which is highly ironic, but now we're really backwards on this issue. So, Does XXXY Athletics have a website that my audience can go to and check out that apparel? Yeah, so they can go to XX -XYathletics .com and then also thetruthfits .com. Yeah, and if you're going to buy any apparel, definitely use promo code RWIN20, A -R -W -E -N -20, and you'll get 20 % off as well. But that would

be the final thing that I would say is buy some gear. There's a lot of, I mean, if you can see this, I've got a very subdued white on white hat. My jogger that I have on just has a little teeny logo at the bottom. There's stuff that you can wear that's not, you know, that doesn't say save women's sports on back, but that's what I wear now. When I go out running, when I go to church, when I go to places where people are going to be staring at my back, I wear the save women's sports. It is as clear as day as to what it is that I'm supporting. And so there is a whole range of, the gear is well made, it's made in Peru, it's not in some sweatshop. It's absolutely just as good as what you can get through Nike and Lululemon, running gear, performance wear, socks, hats, everything, and continuing to bring out more and more because the company is only a year old. So we're still in our infancy, but thanks to J .K. Rawlings, she retweeted one of our recent ads and it just got millions and millions of views right before the Super Bowl. And, you know, people are, they are waking up, people are feeling more confident in speaking out, and the more people who speak out, the more confident other people become. It's just that lighthouse that we become for other people. So there's all sorts of ways that you can do it. I love it. Well, your hat looks great. I'm excited to go shop because the gear is really cute. But, you know, it's perfectly socially acceptable now to wear a red bogey hat out. We're seeing that a lot in Southern California and that's a real powerful cultural marker and sort of line that we've crossed now that that it's okay to to have your political beliefs and in a place where you know four or five years ago you you would Be a great risk of physical assault essentially if you did that but so wearing the cute xx - xy gear I think is is certainly safe and good and it's cute and I'm glad you mentioned JK Rowling because as we wrap up on issues like this that are very complex, right? We're dealing with science, we're dealing with biology, but we're also dealing with, you know, agencies and organizations, and it's a cultural /political issue. And a lot of emotion is injected into that. But following people who make reasoned and logical arguments is a great way, I think, to continue to get informed. So following people like you, following people like J .K. Rowling, I mean, of course we have our most, you know, one of the world's best writers. Writing frequently about this issue, and I think that the more that we can educate ourselves on the language and the understanding to make that argument with success, I think is a really good thing to do. So thank you for bringing it up. Absolutely. - And I know you're on all socials. If people want to check you out in the work that you're doing, where can they find you? - Yeah, so I spend most of my time on Instagram, @arwenbecker is my account, A -R -W -E -N, Becker. And then certainly my website, arwenbecker .com, that's more about my speaking, training. It has podcasts, all the media that I've done, access to both of my books. They can both be found on Amazon as well. And I'd say that's kind of long and short of it. Outside of my, a lot of my endurance races, I do kind of mini documentary style and I put those up on my YouTube. So those are probably the most commonly watched things on my YouTube and that's life with Arwin at YouTube. That's great. You're doing so many things. I loved this conversation with you and we covered a lot of ground but I find it all fascinating and thank you for your perspective, your intelligence and your heart for these issues. I really appreciate you coming on the show with me today. I appreciate that very much. Thank you for having me. The conversation is fantastic. I loved it. Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much and thank you all for joining us on this episode of Politically Basic. We're committed to breaking down the basics so that you get to decide. Be sure to check us out at politicallybasic .com and follow us at PoliticallyBasic so you don't miss an episode. And we'll see you next time.