התמלול המלא של Finding Missing Children and Addressing Immigration Fraud

different from ICE. It's not an enforcement operation, even 71 00:04:04.669 --> 00:04:08.449 though the law requires unaccompanied minors to be handed over 72 00:04:08.490 --> 00:04:10.990 to them. It's a somewhat different thing that you did 73 00:04:11.050 --> 00:04:13.629 than you did in ICE, right? Yeah, absolutely. 74 00:04:13.710 --> 00:04:17.170 So what happened was Tom Holman reached out to me, 75 00:04:17.209 --> 00:04:22.100 Borders R. Holman. He had known me from ICE. He 76 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:26.660 knew my work ethic and He had that conversation with me. 77 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:29.759 He actually said, you know, John, I know you probably 78 00:04:29.819 --> 00:04:31.680 want to come back to a position in ICE. 79 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:32.139 Right. 80 00:04:32.300 --> 00:04:34.930 But I'm asking you if you could please go over 81 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:39.389 there to HHS and take a look at what's going on. 82 00:04:39.430 --> 00:04:44.769 They had already selected a HSI special agent in charge 83 00:04:44.829 --> 00:04:47.790 to be the acting director, Angie Salazar. 84 00:04:47.829 --> 00:04:48.550 She's awesome. 85 00:04:48.930 --> 00:04:51.389 Great leader. They asked her to go over there as 86 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.079 the director. And then asked for me to come over 87 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.139 as a senior advisor to really kind of help her 88 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.819 out in some aspects, and especially in the things that 89 00:05:01.019 --> 00:05:04.970 I know with ERO, enforcement removal operations. So it was 90 00:05:05.009 --> 00:05:09.149 a good way to have HSI and ERO together with 91 00:05:09.709 --> 00:05:13.149 this agency and really kind of looking at some different 92 00:05:13.490 --> 00:05:15.649 points of view and really getting the job done. 93 00:05:16.350 --> 00:05:20.689 So under the Biden administration, it was over 450,000 unaccompanied 94 00:05:20.750 --> 00:05:26.430 minors came in. And they were handed over to Office 95 00:05:26.449 --> 00:05:31.360 of Refugee Resettlement and then delivered to sponsors, so-called. So 96 00:05:32.300 --> 00:05:36.180 when people say that some significant number of them were lost, 97 00:05:36.579 --> 00:05:38.529 what does that mean? What were they not able to 98 00:05:38.589 --> 00:05:41.050 do so that those people were considered lost? 99 00:05:41.250 --> 00:05:44.430 Yeah, it's actually a lot when we look at it, Mark. 100 00:05:44.509 --> 00:05:48.589 So when these unaccompanied alien children were coming in, and 101 00:05:49.410 --> 00:05:52.939 most of them were older teenagers that were coming in. 102 00:05:52.949 --> 00:05:55.339 When we actually look at the numbers, over 60% were 103 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.160 over 16 years old. So a lot of them were 104 00:05:57.259 --> 00:06:04.899 older teens. But what they didn't do under the Biden 105 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:09.199 administration is really vet the sponsors. They didn't check up 106 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:13.990 on the addresses. They didn't care what kind of photographs 107 00:06:14.019 --> 00:06:18.089 were coming in when they asked for IDs. So there 108 00:06:18.689 --> 00:06:21.689 was a lot of fraud that we identified, and a 109 00:06:21.730 --> 00:06:24.930 lot of it was in identity documents. So when we 110 00:06:24.990 --> 00:06:27.459 go back and we look at those identity documents, there 111 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.540 was manipulated photographs. There was address fraud. There was even 112 00:06:31.620 --> 00:06:35.829 fingerprint fraud. There was failure by sponsors to disclose who 113 00:06:35.870 --> 00:06:38.490 was actually in the household. There was a lot of 114 00:06:38.550 --> 00:06:42.180 misrepresentation of age, of how old the UACs actually were. 115 00:06:42.750 --> 00:06:44.709 So we started to see a lot of that fraud. 116 00:06:44.750 --> 00:06:49.879 And then looking at to where these UACs actually were now. 117 00:06:50.569 --> 00:06:54.310 We couldn't identify that. The addresses that we were looking 118 00:06:54.470 --> 00:07:00.569 at were horrible. They came back to parking lots, to factories, 119 00:07:00.939 --> 00:07:02.540 to abandoned addresses. 120 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.680 It was a mess. 121 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:07.800 So the first thing that we had to identify is 122 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.879 what we didn't know. And we didn't know a lot. 123 00:07:10.939 --> 00:07:15.420 The information was garbage when we got back here under 124 00:07:15.459 --> 00:07:18.040 the Trump administration. And we had to really tear that 125 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:21.560 apart and really start to build everything back up because 126 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:24.089 what the Biden administration left us, we couldn't work with. 127 00:07:24.589 --> 00:07:27.230 So in some of these cases, I mean, as I 128 00:07:27.269 --> 00:07:29.990 understand it, the follow-up part, of course, was the problem. 129 00:07:30.009 --> 00:07:32.529 I mean, you were talking about how they were delivering 130 00:07:32.589 --> 00:07:36.019 people to addresses that didn't exist or fake addresses or whatever. 131 00:07:36.699 --> 00:07:39.300 But the follow-up part is they're supposed to call on 132 00:07:39.339 --> 00:07:43.439 the phone and check at some point after they've placed 133 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:47.970 the kid. you know, how's it going? What's up? Now, 134 00:07:48.089 --> 00:07:51.029 in a lot of those instances, the calls never went through. 135 00:07:51.089 --> 00:07:53.709 So the reason I'm bringing this up is that, in 136 00:07:53.790 --> 00:07:57.470 a sense, part of your challenge is to distinguish between 137 00:07:57.529 --> 00:08:01.100 those instances where the sponsors are just illegal aliens and 138 00:08:01.139 --> 00:08:04.240 didn't want to talk to the government, right? As opposed 139 00:08:04.300 --> 00:08:06.980 to the sponsors being up to no good in. 140 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.009 Some

And you're very right about that. So, you know, 141 00:08:10.410 --> 00:08:13.389 the Biden administration gave a lot of kids to illegal aliens, 142 00:08:13.490 --> 00:08:17.220 which is still to this day. You know, I look 143 00:08:17.259 --> 00:08:20.060 at that and I'm like, so someone broke into the 144 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:23.819 United States. They illegally entered. We don't even know who 145 00:08:23.899 --> 00:08:26.240 they really are. And we're just going to hand kids 146 00:08:26.339 --> 00:08:28.500 over to them. And that's what the Biden administration did. 147 00:08:28.990 --> 00:08:31.589 And a lot of times their own parents did. So 148 00:08:31.629 --> 00:08:35.090 the whole idea of their being unaccompanied is basically a 149 00:08:35.289 --> 00:08:36.029 legal fiction. 150 00:08:36.529 --> 00:08:39.509 It is. It's entirely legal fiction. So we know that 151 00:08:39.590 --> 00:08:41.419 a lot of them were their parents. They admitted it, 152 00:08:41.570 --> 00:08:44.309 that they were their parents. Their parents came forward. And 153 00:08:44.409 --> 00:08:47.000 this is what led us to find out what the 154 00:08:47.029 --> 00:08:51.399 cartel was actually doing. So the cartel was breaking these 155 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.720 families up on the Mexican side of the border on purpose. 156 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.539 So they would get the parents into the U.S. It 157 00:08:57.580 --> 00:09:00.000 was a lot easier to just smuggle the parents across, 158 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.240 get the parents settled down. you know, wherever that they 159 00:09:03.259 --> 00:09:05.700 were going to wind up. And then they would drop 160 00:09:05.740 --> 00:09:08.159 the kids off at the border. They had certain border 161 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.179 points that they knew if they dropped the kids off, 162 00:09:10.220 --> 00:09:13.269 the border patrol was going to respond very quickly, pick 163 00:09:13.309 --> 00:09:16.850 the kids up, turn them over to ORR care. Under 164 00:09:16.889 --> 00:09:22.129 the Biden administration, the administration and especially Secretary Becerra had 165 00:09:22.509 --> 00:09:26.309 a memo that was put out and had some rules 166 00:09:26.330 --> 00:09:28.600 that they had set forward that they wanted these kids 167 00:09:28.820 --> 00:09:30.779 out of their care within seven to nine days. 168 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.600 That's what I was going to ask is why was 169 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:33.320 the push? 170 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.220 It was an assembly line, Mark. 171 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:36.120 Unbelievable. 172 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.009 That's exactly what it was. They viewed these kids as 173 00:09:39.049 --> 00:09:41.990 like a commodity. They didn't want the American public seeing 174 00:09:42.070 --> 00:09:46.210 the thousands of kids that they had in care, 22,000 175 00:09:46.210 --> 00:09:49.850 kids a day in care. Right now under the Trump administration, 176 00:09:49.889 --> 00:09:52.879 we have 1,600 kids in care. Under the Biden administration, 177 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:54.200 they had 22,000 a day. 178 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.029 And where, before they deliver them to sponsors, I mean, 179 00:09:57.230 --> 00:10:00.789 ICE gives them to you guys. Yes. You all deliver 180 00:10:00.820 --> 00:10:03.240 them to sponsors. Where do you keep the kids in 181 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.259 the interim? Where does ORR house kids when they're in 182 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:06.879 their custody? 183 00:10:06.980 --> 00:10:11.080 So we have contracts with various NGOs who provide care 184 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.039 centers for these kids. And it's a full service care center. 185 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:20.330 They get meals, they get medical care. They get education benefits. 186 00:10:20.690 --> 00:10:24.289 They are well taken care of in these shelters. It's 187 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.779 an environment where they have gym activities, they have reading activities, 188 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:32.200 they have computers, all these things, because these are still kids. 189 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:36.350 We're dealing with kids and trying to figure out exactly 190 00:10:36.389 --> 00:10:39.139 what's going on with them. So there are these centers 191 00:10:39.539 --> 00:10:42.179 that they go to. And again, Biden just had these 192 00:10:42.230 --> 00:10:45.649 kids leaving within seven to nine days to lightly vetted 193 00:10:45.710 --> 00:10:50.070 or unvetted illegal aliens or even other people that they 194 00:10:50.149 --> 00:10:52.490 just didn't know who these people were. They weren't taking 195 00:10:52.549 --> 00:10:56.029 DNA tests. It was just horrific when you really look 196 00:10:56.110 --> 00:10:58.750 at it. And then on top of that, to even know, 197 00:10:58.789 --> 00:11:03.139 you mentioned that there were calls coming in about these kids. 198 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.379 There were 65,000 notices of concern, calls that came in 199 00:11:08.029 --> 00:11:11.509 to the Biden administration during the last few months that 200 00:11:11.529 --> 00:11:15.669 the Biden administration was there, 65,000 calls. 201 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:17.440 Calls from whom? 202 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:22.240 These were calls from UACs, from people that had observed 203 00:11:23.019 --> 00:11:26.019 some things that were going on with unaccompanied alien children, 204 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:28.710 that no one even took those calls. So when we 205 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.610 came in with the Trump administration, that was our first priority. 206 00:11:32.049 --> 00:11:35.350 We kind of triaged everything that was going on, saw 207 00:11:35.370 --> 00:11:38.639 that these 65,000 calls had come in, And as we 208 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:40.820 were listening to them, some of them were pretty horrific 209 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.299 with kids claiming to be sexually assaulted, in danger. 210 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.570 Calls

came in and the Biden administration didn't do anything 211 00:11:48.610 --> 00:11:50.210 about them? Nothing. Nothing. 212 00:11:50.250 --> 00:11:53.009 They had one person monitoring all those calls that came 213 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:54.740 in and that person just gave up toward the end. 214 00:11:54.789 --> 00:11:57.970 Yeah, it was Lucy and the chocolate factory. Yeah, it 215 00:11:58.250 --> 00:11:58.570 was bad. 216 00:11:58.590 --> 00:12:01.620 So with those 65,000 reports, like 30,000 of them we 217 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.879 determined were safety concerns where where a kid was actually 218 00:12:04.929 --> 00:12:09.700 calling for help. 9,000 of them were allegations of human trafficking. 219 00:12:10.220 --> 00:12:14.620 About 9,000 were reports of abuse or neglect. About 1,300 220 00:12:14.620 --> 00:12:18.889 were reports of sexual abuse. And 1,300 were medical emergencies. 221 00:12:19.789 --> 00:12:23.799 Out of those calls that we were investigating, that 65,000, 222 00:12:23.789 --> 00:12:30.399 we found 37 children deceased. out of those calls as 223 00:12:30.460 --> 00:12:34.620 we investigated those. Some had died of drug overdoses, some 224 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:40.080 from gang violence, just a lot of different things. So initially, 225 00:12:40.179 --> 00:12:43.740 that was our initial drive. That was our number one thing, 226 00:12:44.139 --> 00:12:47.220 clear up those notices of concern, figure out where those 227 00:12:47.259 --> 00:12:50.210 kids were. It took us a few months to do that. 228 00:12:50.830 --> 00:12:52.850 We had a whole of government approach on that. We 229 00:12:52.870 --> 00:12:57.490 brought in other federal law enforcement agencies, got everybody together. 230 00:12:57.610 --> 00:13:00.370 And our main focus was just going out, finding those 231 00:13:00.429 --> 00:13:02.909 kids and figuring that out. And we were able to 232 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.639 clear that up in late 2025. And now, you know, 233 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:10.679 we've been looking at other kids to go out and find. And, 234 00:13:10.700 --> 00:13:14.240 you know, since the Trump administration came back in, we've 235 00:13:14.379 --> 00:13:16.600 located 160,000 of the over 400,000 that came in under Biden. 236 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:25.000 So not to give HHS, you know, under Biden any 237 00:13:25.779 --> 00:13:28.570 excuse for them. But when you're letting in, when the 238 00:13:28.629 --> 00:13:32.210 border is open, if you only have one person answering 239 00:13:32.269 --> 00:13:36.029 those calls of concern, it's really not the bureaucrat's fault 240 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:37.879 who has to take the calls because what are they 241 00:13:37.899 --> 00:13:41.080 supposed to do? So in a sense, you're being able 242 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:44.519 to catch up on this as possible because at the border, 243 00:13:45.139 --> 00:13:48.279 you now have dramatically fewer entries. 244 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:50.840 Yeah, you have dramatically fewer entries, but you also have 245 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.200 different leadership, Mark. 246 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.419 Well, the entries are because of the leadership as well. Absolutely. 247 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.299 We have lower entries because of President Trump. Through President 248 00:13:59.330 --> 00:14:02.549 Trump's leadership, we have a whole of government approach to 249 00:14:02.610 --> 00:14:07.929 identifying human trafficking, sex trafficking, labor trafficking. We are looking 250 00:14:08.029 --> 00:14:11.190 at this a lot differently than the Biden administration did, 251 00:14:11.289 --> 00:14:14.129 where they were just letting in millions of people over 252 00:14:14.169 --> 00:14:19.830 the four years. including over 500,000 kids. So the Trump 253 00:14:19.850 --> 00:14:23.649 administration definitely takes a different look at this. And because 254 00:14:23.690 --> 00:14:27.720 of that, we're able to investigate the sex trafficking and 255 00:14:27.740 --> 00:14:31.179 the labor trafficking a lot better because we've shut that 256 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.639 border down. So just to your point, when you have 257 00:14:33.700 --> 00:14:36.399 millions of people coming in, they were trying to sweep 258 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.919 that all under the rug. So they just didn't have, 259 00:14:40.700 --> 00:14:43.220 or maybe they didn't even want to really investigate a 260 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:45.490 lot of this. They just wanted people getting into the country, 261 00:14:45.830 --> 00:14:47.730 but it's not like that under the Trump administration. 262 00:14:48.090 --> 00:14:53.450 So has anybody, has Javier Becerra been called to account 263 00:14:53.529 --> 00:14:55.490 on any of this? I mean, which really is on 264 00:14:55.529 --> 00:14:59.429 his watch. I mean, the secretary now is Bobby Kennedy 265 00:14:59.570 --> 00:15:02.529 and you know, he's responsible for the whole department, but 266 00:15:02.590 --> 00:15:06.370 Becerra was responsible for this department. I mean, it's just- Yeah, absolutely. 267 00:15:06.470 --> 00:15:09.870 It was a failure of leadership. It was, you know, 268 00:15:09.950 --> 00:15:13.929 abysmal leadership by him. No, he has not been held 269 00:15:13.970 --> 00:15:17.029 to account for that. And, you know, the leadership difference 270 00:15:17.149 --> 00:15:20.049 is so different with Secretary Kennedy. You know, he gives, 271 00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:23.690 you know, all the resources he can over to ORR 272 00:15:23.769 --> 00:15:27.429 in identifying this problem. It's been an issue that's been 273 00:15:27.490 --> 00:15:30.049 heavy on his heart. since he took over as a 274 00:15:30.090 --> 00:15:34.389 secretary of HHS. He asked for daily briefs on it. 275 00:15:34.950 --> 00:15:39.509 He's very much concerned and aligned with wanting to make 276 00:15:39.590 --> 00:15:43.669 sure that this does not happen again. For me, coming over, 277 00:15:43.710

--> 00:15:47.169 like you mentioned earlier, I'm an ICE guy. I spent 278 00:15:47.210 --> 00:15:49.730 my time as an officer on the street working for 279 00:15:49.789 --> 00:15:54.309 DHS and coming over and then working for Secretary Kennedy 280 00:15:54.669 --> 00:15:58.090 has been great. He's a good leader. He really wants 281 00:15:58.110 --> 00:16:00.730 to make a difference. And the difference can be shown 282 00:16:00.809 --> 00:16:01.990 just in what we're doing over. 283 00:16:01.870 --> 00:16:05.460 There at ORR. Has the morale of the career staff changed? 284 00:16:05.539 --> 00:16:07.419 I mean, it's not a huge office over there, but 285 00:16:07.460 --> 00:16:12.000 you do have career people. How's that been going? Yeah. 286 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:17.340 When you show them exactly what was happening and why 287 00:16:17.379 --> 00:16:20.600 we're doing what we're doing now, I think that there's 288 00:16:20.620 --> 00:16:24.840 been an awakening there. So you know, I was a career. Look, 289 00:16:24.860 --> 00:16:27.730 you know, I spent 30 years in government service, you know, 290 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:30.269 military service with FPS, with. 291 00:16:30.330 --> 00:16:31.429 INS, with ICE. 292 00:16:31.990 --> 00:16:35.730 You work through multiple presidents, you're given your orders, you 293 00:16:35.750 --> 00:16:39.330 do your job. And, you know, sometimes you just do 294 00:16:39.350 --> 00:16:43.409 your job without really thinking, you know, about everything that 295 00:16:43.429 --> 00:16:47.019 goes into why you're doing what you do. And, you know, 296 00:16:47.059 --> 00:16:49.620 I think a lot of the careers, you know, at 297 00:16:49.659 --> 00:16:52.110 that Biden time just felt that they were you know, 298 00:16:52.149 --> 00:16:55.090 given these orders and they were doing exactly what the 299 00:16:55.129 --> 00:16:58.149 administration asked them to do. And they really weren't thinking 300 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:02.240 past that. And, you know, now that they see, you know, 301 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.859 what happened because of what was occurring under Biden, you know, 302 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.309 we've had many meetings where, you know, many of the 303 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:13.309 careers are just shocked that, you know, finding these situations 304 00:17:13.349 --> 00:17:15.869 that these kids are in and what was actually allowed, 305 00:17:16.390 --> 00:17:18.990 you can see, you know, that it's a it's a 306 00:17:19.009 --> 00:17:22.259 different outlook that we have under the Trump administration and 307 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.599 looking at immigration and looking at, you know, how we 308 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:30.279 deal with unaccompanied alien children. And the careers are definitely 309 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:31.299 taking that to heart now. 310 00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:34.599 Good to hear. So a lot of the cases, like 311 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:36.519 I had said, they're just illegals who don't want to 312 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.500 be found. And so in other words, the kids aren't 313 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.920 being abused necessarily, but there are a lot of instances 314 00:17:41.980 --> 00:17:44.630 of real problems. You have a few, I don't know, 315 00:17:45.170 --> 00:17:47.289 horror stories, I guess I'd call them. I mean, the 316 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:52.720 I'm not trying to do kind of inflammatory stuff here, 317 00:17:52.779 --> 00:17:55.569 but there are real instances of real abuse, right? 318 00:17:55.650 --> 00:17:59.230 Yeah. And listen, the listeners can Google any of this 319 00:17:59.269 --> 00:18:03.119 that I'm going to talk about. The DOJ under the 320 00:18:03.150 --> 00:18:06.700 Trump administration has been really good at putting these cases 321 00:18:06.779 --> 00:18:11.480 out there. We've had numerous cases where sponsors have been 322 00:18:11.500 --> 00:18:14.799 taking kids and using them in labor trafficking. We had 323 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:19.900 one case this summer, one woman from Guatemala sponsored over 324 00:18:19.900 --> 00:18:23.569 40 kids, and it was not discovered under the Biden administration. 325 00:18:23.630 --> 00:18:25.609 We discovered it under the Trump administration. 326 00:18:25.750 --> 00:18:27.450 How hard can that even be? I mean, you just 327 00:18:27.490 --> 00:18:29.890 have a computer thing, it flags up once you get 328 00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:31.410 to the second. But it didn't. 329 00:18:31.490 --> 00:18:34.289 The computer system that they had, you could not trace 330 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:38.529 phone numbers and addresses, if multiple addresses were being. 331 00:18:38.609 --> 00:18:39.640 It was horrible. Wow. 332 00:18:39.849 --> 00:18:42.930 We have instituted a whole new computer program. We built 333 00:18:42.990 --> 00:18:46.210 a whole new program that can be searched much easier, 334 00:18:46.589 --> 00:18:49.289 that gives you alerts if an address has been used before, 335 00:18:49.329 --> 00:18:51.589 if a telephone number has been used before. All the 336 00:18:51.670 --> 00:18:54.069 things that you would think should have been happening under 337 00:18:54.089 --> 00:18:58.329 the Biden administration, but were not. So yeah, we had 338 00:18:58.670 --> 00:19:02.470 adult males claiming to be the brother of In one 339 00:19:02.509 --> 00:19:04.710 case off the top of my head, the brother of 340 00:19:04.750 --> 00:19:07.490 a young girl. And they just let this girl go 341 00:19:07.549 --> 00:19:09.910 to this guy. And it wasn't her brother. He raped 342 00:19:09.950 --> 00:19:12.900 her multiple times. She was one of those notice of 343 00:19:12.940 --> 00:19:13.759 concern cases. 344 00:19:13.779 --> 00:19:15.099 And I'd called in. 345 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.980 HSI was able to identify, go in, rescue her. And 346 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.400 our government under the Biden administration had placed her with 347 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.069

this male who was not her brother. And like I said, 348 00:19:27.089 --> 00:19:32.380 had sexually abused her. There were many cases of labor trafficking. 349 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:34.559 Even the New York Times knew this. I was going 350 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:37.299 to say, the New York Times did a big, high-profile story. 351 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:39.619 You'd think at least the Biden administration would read the 352 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:41.650 New York Times. Right, exactly. 353 00:19:41.950 --> 00:19:44.410 The New York Times found that all this labor trafficking 354 00:19:44.430 --> 00:19:47.509 was going on. So there was really no excuse for 355 00:19:47.529 --> 00:19:49.970 it under the Biden administration. They had to have news. 356 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:51.720 What was occurring. 357 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:55.369 They had to have known that these kids were just disappearing. 358 00:19:55.390 --> 00:19:57.829 And like you said, a lot of them were going 359 00:19:57.849 --> 00:20:00.309 to illegal alien parents. But I want to make one 360 00:20:00.410 --> 00:20:04.319 point clear, Mark. Every single one of those parents smuggled 361 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:05.660 their own kids across the border. 362 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:06.519 I'm not excusing you. 363 00:20:06.529 --> 00:20:08.890 No, I know you're not. I know you're not. This 364 00:20:08.950 --> 00:20:12.950 is more for the listener. I know you understand that point, 365 00:20:13.289 --> 00:20:16.619 but maybe some of the listeners don't. When you come 366 00:20:16.650 --> 00:20:19.799 across that border, you're paying the cartel. It doesn't matter 367 00:20:19.859 --> 00:20:23.779 who you are. So everyone's paying the cartel. And the 368 00:20:23.819 --> 00:20:26.869 cartels chose to make a bigger profit off of families 369 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.309 by breaking the families up, charging a payment for those 370 00:20:30.369 --> 00:20:33.549 parents and then charging an additional payment when the children 371 00:20:33.589 --> 00:20:37.569 were dropped off to the parents. So the Biden administration 372 00:20:38.430 --> 00:20:42.059 acted as a third leg of this smuggling operation by, 373 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:46.299 in essence, moving the kids from these shelters to the 374 00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:50.430 parents and finishing off the smuggling operation. that the cartels 375 00:20:50.470 --> 00:20:52.750 wanted to occur so they could get their final payment. 376 00:20:52.859 --> 00:20:56.920 A federal judge even had in rulings even said specifically that, 377 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.380 that the federal government was essentially acting as a partner 378 00:21:00.500 --> 00:21:03.539 with the cartels smuggling illegal aliens. 379 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.059 And they absolutely were. And, you know, when, when you 380 00:21:06.099 --> 00:21:08.690 go back and if you go on, on X or 381 00:21:09.089 --> 00:21:11.349 it was Twitter back then, or, you know, and any 382 00:21:11.390 --> 00:21:15.089 of these, you know, social media platforms, there were plenty 383 00:21:15.130 --> 00:21:17.769 of people in, in these social media platforms that were 384 00:21:17.789 --> 00:21:22.119 down at the border and, in airports viewing this happening. 385 00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:25.900 They were watching these transportation firms moving these kids throughout 386 00:21:25.940 --> 00:21:29.710 the US. There were reports of airplanes landing in the 387 00:21:29.789 --> 00:21:33.950 middle of the night at airports and offloading dozens of kids. 388 00:21:34.289 --> 00:21:37.170 There were all these reports coming out from citizen journalists 389 00:21:37.609 --> 00:21:43.099 that were identifying this happening. And the Biden administration just 390 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:44.900 kind of tried to hide it as much as they can. 391 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.440 They did it under the cover of darkness. They did 392 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.759 it behind closed doors in airports. And it was definitely occurring. 393 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.680 So one news story that the media have really jumped 394 00:21:55.779 --> 00:22:01.819 all over was this idea, supposedly, that one-year-olds are being 395 00:22:02.019 --> 00:22:05.339 herded into court without lawyers. And so the image you 396 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.619 imagine is a little kid kind of walking around and 397 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.589 there's a judge looking at him. So what was the story? 398 00:22:11.089 --> 00:22:13.819 What's the actual story with that? Yeah. 399 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:18.059 So number one, 2%, under 2% of all the kids 400 00:22:18.099 --> 00:22:19.960 we have in care are under five years old. 401 00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:20.380 Right. 402 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:22.819 So like I said, most of them are older teenagers, 403 00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:26.380 but we do have some younger kids. Those younger kids 404 00:22:27.430 --> 00:22:30.710 hardly ever arrive by themselves. So the one-year-old that was 405 00:22:30.750 --> 00:22:35.170 in the news article recently had a 17-year-old UAC mother 406 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:38.630 that she wound up at the border with. That 17-year-old 407 00:22:38.730 --> 00:22:45.539 UAC mother had a 24-year-old illegal alien husband that was 408 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.460 already inside the United States. So, you know, these things 409 00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:53.160 happen this way. And I mean, you know it, you've 410 00:22:53.180 --> 00:22:56.460 seen it. A lot of these girls have these younger kids. 411 00:22:56.500 --> 00:22:57.960 They try to get them into the U.S. or they 412 00:22:57.980 --> 00:22:59.940 try to make it into the U.S. to have a kid. 413 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:00.299 Right. 414 00:23:00.619 --> 00:23:03.900 You know, we've had UAC's young women come in and 415 00:23:03.980 --> 00:23:06.829 have children, you know, at our care facilities who are 416 00:23:06.849 --> 00:23:08.029 now United States

citizens. 417 00:23:08.210 --> 00:23:08.410 Right. 418 00:23:08.890 --> 00:23:12.430 The media loves to focus on the one-year-old and ignore, 419 00:23:12.970 --> 00:23:15.490 you know, the 17-year-old gang member that we have in 420 00:23:15.549 --> 00:23:18.309 our care who's 17 and we can't turn over to ICE. 421 00:23:18.710 --> 00:23:19.690 Or says he's 17. 422 00:23:19.690 --> 00:23:23.359 Or says he's 17. We've got thousands of cases. where 423 00:23:23.380 --> 00:23:26.109 we believe that they're actually 19, 20, 21 years old 424 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:30.549 and claiming to be 17. And yeah, so this happens 425 00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:33.630 all the time. So with this last case in June, 426 00:23:33.690 --> 00:23:36.809 it was a CBP encounter. It was a 17-year-old mother 427 00:23:36.829 --> 00:23:42.099 near Naco, Arizona with the one-year-old. Of course, the media 428 00:23:42.170 --> 00:23:44.839 focuses on the one-year-old in the story and never even 429 00:23:44.900 --> 00:23:48.579 identifies that her own mother smuggled her across the border 430 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.130 and her own father smuggled paid for both of them 431 00:23:52.150 --> 00:23:55.279 to be smuggled across the border. So they're trying to 432 00:23:55.299 --> 00:23:59.339 tug at heartstrings. And we want these kids to have 433 00:24:00.019 --> 00:24:05.240 legal representation. We absolutely do. The prior legal representation that 434 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:09.200 was there, a group called Acacia, was saying that they 435 00:24:09.220 --> 00:24:10.380 were legally representing. 436 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:12.140 This is an NGO that- It was an NGO. Contracted 437 00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:12.759 with you guys? 438 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:16.480 Yeah, they contracted through the government to provide legal representation. 439 00:24:17.059 --> 00:24:19.920 And we were finding out that they were only representing 440 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:23.210 anywhere between 40 to 70% of the kids, give or take, 441 00:24:23.509 --> 00:24:26.450 different weeks of the month. So we were going through, 442 00:24:26.470 --> 00:24:29.349 we were looking some weeks, there was hardly any representation 443 00:24:29.410 --> 00:24:32.369 for them. Other weeks, there was up to 70% representation 444 00:24:32.410 --> 00:24:35.130 for them. We couldn't get answers from them on who 445 00:24:35.150 --> 00:24:39.109 they were representing. We asked for A numbers. They refused 446 00:24:39.150 --> 00:24:41.630 to give us the alien– which is the alien registration number. 447 00:24:41.650 --> 00:24:42.849 To identify who the kids are. 448 00:24:42.890 --> 00:24:45.920 Yeah, which identifies them, which we give. The United States 449 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.759 government gives to illegal aliens coming across the border. But 450 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:54.019 Acacia refused that saying it was attorney-client privilege. refused to 451 00:24:54.059 --> 00:24:56.839 share information with us. So we decided we were going 452 00:24:56.859 --> 00:24:59.259 to end that contract. If they're not willing to work 453 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.759 with us, we don't know why we're paying them. And Mark, 454 00:25:02.059 --> 00:25:05.779 we paid them a billion dollars over four years, Mark. 455 00:25:05.819 --> 00:25:07.480 This is a Biden-era contract too. 456 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:11.269 Yes, a Biden-era contract, a billion dollars. And we think 457 00:25:11.309 --> 00:25:15.529 they may have represented about 30,000 kids in total, a 458 00:25:15.569 --> 00:25:19.869 billion dollars for 30,000. So we decided to go a 459 00:25:19.910 --> 00:25:21.609 different way, look to see if we could find a 460 00:25:21.650 --> 00:25:25.990 different contractor that could be available for these kids. Of course, 461 00:25:26.029 --> 00:25:29.349 there's been a little bit of growth in that because 462 00:25:29.390 --> 00:25:32.339 we ended one contract. We're bringing up another contract. We've 463 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.680 got a grant in place. There are still some cases 464 00:25:35.740 --> 00:25:38.759 in which Acacia says that they are the representative of 465 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.500 the child. So we're trying to figure that out because 466 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.299 we can't put another attorney in there until we transfer 467 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.099 that case over. 468 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:45.200 Sure. 469 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.279 So we've had an organization appearing as a friend of 470 00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:51.140 the court. They've been there. They've been sitting in the 471 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:54.450 back of the courtroom. They're there observing the case, waiting 472 00:25:54.509 --> 00:25:58.130 to have an initial consultation with that child. So yes, 473 00:25:58.210 --> 00:26:01.750 in some instances, and the media finds out when these 474 00:26:01.869 --> 00:26:04.869 are because they've got their little birdies who tell them, oh, 475 00:26:04.890 --> 00:26:08.000 there's going to be a two-year-old in court. And we 476 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.079 don't think there's going to be an attorney for this two-year-old. 477 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.180 So we don't want that to happen. Obviously, we want 478 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.500 to make sure that these kids are represented. Look, Mark, 479 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.940 We want to find the cases where kids are in trouble. 480 00:26:19.589 --> 00:26:22.029 We want to find the cases where kids have been 481 00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:26.569 sexually trafficked, where they've been labor trafficked, where they've been harmed. 482 00:26:27.549 --> 00:26:29.849 It's hard for us to do that when we've got 483 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.119 tons of other fraud occurring and we've got all these 484 00:26:33.339 --> 00:26:37.079 older male teens coming in for economic reasons to find 485 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.160 jobs so they can send remittances home so they can 486

00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.180 send billions of dollars outside of the U.S. back to 487 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:43.930 their countries. 488 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:46.960 Because people, I mean, this is a kind of difference 489 00:26:47.019 --> 00:26:50.240 in perspective. I mean, if you're 16, even 15 years old, 490 00:26:50.660 --> 00:26:54.339 you're working age in Central America. I mean, you're going 491 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.220 out to work. They're coming here to hang drywall or 492 00:26:57.259 --> 00:26:59.640 whatever it is they're doing. They're regular illegal aliens. And 493 00:26:59.660 --> 00:27:05.549 they're essentially kind of gaming or leveraging the difference between 494 00:27:05.589 --> 00:27:10.200 what we consider underage and what in their own societies 495 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:11.640 is considered underage. 496 00:27:11.660 --> 00:27:13.549 You know, Mark, for people to kind of get an 497 00:27:13.589 --> 00:27:16.450 idea of just what you said, because it's brilliant. That's 498 00:27:16.490 --> 00:27:22.349 exactly the truth. Over 200,000 Guatemalan teenagers have left Guatemala 499 00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:24.750 in the last four years to come to the United States. 500 00:27:24.869 --> 00:27:25.069 Right. 501 00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:30.319 Over 200,000. That just shows you that, like, look, this 502 00:27:30.380 --> 00:27:32.559 is a thing where these teens know they could get 503 00:27:32.619 --> 00:27:34.660 to the United States. They can hang drywall. They can 504 00:27:34.700 --> 00:27:37.940 work for landscape crews. They can send home $ 300 or 505 00:27:37.940 --> 00:27:41.049 $ 400 a week of money that their parents want to see. 506 00:27:41.569 --> 00:27:45.630 So you're 16 years old in Guatemala. Your parents are 507 00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:47.589 kind of looking at you like, hey, why aren't you 508 00:27:47.609 --> 00:27:51.089 in America yet? Sending money home to us when the 509 00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:52.970 kid across the street has been in America for the 510 00:27:53.019 --> 00:27:55.740 last two years. And look what his parents have. They 511 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:58.140 have a new car. They're building their home. They're doing 512 00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.940 all this stuff. 513 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.259 Why aren't you in America? 514 00:28:01.339 --> 00:28:05.420 So there's been this influx of kids that come here. 515 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.500 But that influx is also because of a certain law. 516 00:28:08.660 --> 00:28:10.099 Yeah, I was going to ask about the law. So 517 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:11.039 let's talk about it. 518 00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:14.400 Let's talk about it, Mark. Let's talk about TVPRA. Let's 519 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.039 open that monster into the room. Let's let it in. 520 00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:23.049 So the TVPRA, which is the Trafficking Victims Reauthorization Act, 521 00:28:23.329 --> 00:28:27.289 and I know you've written extensively about it, Mark. You've 522

00:28:27.369 --> 00:28:30.109 talked about it on how it's not good for the 523 00:28:30.150 --> 00:28:32.569 United States, the way that that law was written. So 524 00:28:32.710 --> 00:28:36.289 inside that law- It allows us to return kids from 525 00:28:36.349 --> 00:28:40.589 contiguous countries. So Mexico and Canada. Right. And we have 526 00:28:40.630 --> 00:28:43.890 to put into care and release kids that come from 527 00:28:44.049 --> 00:28:51.150 non-contiguous countries. So Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador, we have 528 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:51.839 to let them in. 529 00:28:51.859 --> 00:28:53.539 So even if, in other words, even if the kid 530 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.799 is 17 years old, he's obviously not being trafficked or 531 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:01.740 harmed in any way, you guys can't or ICE can't 532 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:06.049 work with the Guatemalan- consul or whatever it is and 533 00:29:06.130 --> 00:29:09.890 have the kid return to Guatemala. Legally, they're not allowed 534 00:29:09.930 --> 00:29:11.829 to do that. They have to hand them over to 535 00:29:11.890 --> 00:29:12.670 your agency. 536 00:29:13.089 --> 00:29:15.130 Yes, they have to be handed over to ORR. They 537 00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:17.130 have to be given a notice to appear in front 538 00:29:17.150 --> 00:29:20.519 of an immigration judge where you know they all claim 539 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:26.079 asylum fraudulently. They claim that their parents abandoned them so 540 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:31.200 they can get SIJ visas. They claim all sorts of things, Mark, 541 00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:34.079 fraud to remain in the United States, work and send 542 00:29:34.099 --> 00:29:34.299 money home. 543 00:29:35.410 --> 00:29:39.859 So obviously, I mean, Congress has trouble passing, you know, 544 00:29:39.940 --> 00:29:43.099 naming post offices nowadays, but it seems to me this 545 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.819 would be sort of near the top of an agenda 546 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:52.089 for congressional change, because this is a relatively small thing. 547 00:29:52.849 --> 00:29:56.950 I don't really see how the Democrats would be super 548 00:29:57.009 --> 00:30:00.069 enthused about defending the way the law is now. In 549 00:30:00.509 --> 00:30:02.829 other words, I don't even see how this really serves 550 00:30:02.869 --> 00:30:06.539 their purposes. It seems to me that if it were 551 00:30:06.619 --> 00:30:12.599 possible to return, especially older teenagers without a lot of folderol, 552 00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:16.599 just as regular illegal aliens, would kind of serve everybody. 553 00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:19.299 It seems like a bipartisan thing, but the law would 554 00:30:19.339 --> 00:30:23.339 have to be changed. Do you guys follow any efforts 555 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.359 like that to change the law? Yeah. 556 00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:29.460 So there have been some efforts, mostly from immigration groups 557 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.119 like your own, who have brought it up to Congress 558 00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:37.099 and trying to get those changes made. But unfortunately, Mark, 559 00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:41.420 the Democrats don't want to change it. So we haven't 560 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:46.740 seen any bipartisan effort to identify by them that this 561 00:30:46.869 --> 00:30:51.990 is an issue. And we've got these Central American countries 562 00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:58.500 that are abusing TVPRA to send their near-adult teenagers to 563 00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.440 the United States because, Mark, they're making billions of dollars. 564 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.240 These countries are getting billions of dollars back in remittances 565 00:31:07.549 --> 00:31:12.170 where it's– Guatemala, it's like 19% of their GDP is 566 00:31:12.230 --> 00:31:15.289 remittances from Guatemalans that are inside the United States. 567 00:31:15.349 --> 00:31:20.180 It's billions of dollars. So the border is obviously big. 568 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:25.630 Mostly controlled. It's probably under better control than– Absolutely. I 569 00:31:25.650 --> 00:31:28.609 think it's probably have less illegal, fewer illegal entries than 570 00:31:28.690 --> 00:31:31.089 any time since the 19th century. Easily. Just because we 571 00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:34.089 now know what's happening, whereas back then, who knows who 572 00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:37.450 was crossing. But there's still some people crossing. Illegal immigration 573 00:31:37.509 --> 00:31:40.529 never ends at all. So what is the flow of 574 00:31:40.710 --> 00:31:42.730 unaccompanied minors looking like now? 575 00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:46.220 Yeah. So, you know, we've knocked it down a lot, Mark. So, 576 00:31:46.339 --> 00:31:49.170 you know, in care right now, we have only 1,600 577 00:31:49.170 --> 00:31:53.440 unaccompanied island children in care right now. And our average 578 00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:56.039 length of stay is like over 200 days. Oh, really? 579 00:31:56.059 --> 00:32:00.240 Yes, yes. Is that because of trouble finding a sponsor 580 00:32:00.339 --> 00:32:00.940 or something? 581 00:32:01.339 --> 00:32:04.049 A little bit because we've increased our vetting. Sure. So 582 00:32:04.089 --> 00:32:06.230 when you increase the vetting, you don't have the illegal 583 00:32:06.289 --> 00:32:09.589 aliens coming forward because they know that they're not going 584 00:32:09.609 --> 00:32:13.130 to pass the vetting. Right. And they shouldn't because– Or 585 00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:15.529 the sex traffickers or the labor traffickers. Yeah, or the 586 00:32:15.549 --> 00:32:18.720 sex traffickers or the people who are– You know, labor 587 00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.000 trafficking kids. Right. They're not going to come forward. So 588 00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.259 we haven't had those come forward. And also the ones 589 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.920 that are still coming are still the older teens. 590 00:32:27.000 -->

00:32:27.240 Right. 591 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.160 So they're coming in without identifying a sponsor. Those are 592 00:32:31.180 --> 00:32:33.950 what we call our cat four. Say they don't have 593 00:32:33.990 --> 00:32:37.009 a sponsor coming forward. They just come in and they say, 594 00:32:37.150 --> 00:32:40.329 I'm 17 years old. I cannot go to ICE custody 595 00:32:40.890 --> 00:32:42.809 and I will be 18 in four weeks. 596 00:32:43.390 --> 00:32:45.190 So in other words, they're not coming with the address 597 00:32:45.230 --> 00:32:48.150 and phone number of their illegal immigrant parents here. No. 598 00:32:48.230 --> 00:32:50.589 Which does happen or used to happen a lot. 599 00:32:50.630 --> 00:32:53.619 Well, it still does. But these older teens will just 600 00:32:53.650 --> 00:32:57.579 wait it out. So they say, you know, I'm 17 601 00:32:57.579 --> 00:33:00.599 and will be 18 in a month. And we take 602 00:33:00.619 --> 00:33:03.240 their word for it because there's no identity documents and 603 00:33:03.259 --> 00:33:05.039 they're just saying that. 604 00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:06.819 What do you do with them when they turn 18? 605 00:33:06.819 --> 00:33:07.680 We release the mark. 606 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.529 You don't send them back to ICE? 607 00:33:09.539 --> 00:33:09.640 No. 608 00:33:10.470 --> 00:33:10.730 Really? 609 00:33:10.910 --> 00:33:15.119 No, Flores, Mark. I mean, we have all of these 610 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.900 other litigations that are out there that keep us from 611 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.869 transferring them to ICE when they turn 18. We need 612 00:33:23.430 --> 00:33:25.990 the losses. We have to put them in the least 613 00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:31.470 restrictive setting. We can't turn them over to ICE. So 614 00:33:31.529 --> 00:33:34.579 what happens is we release them and they disappear. So 615 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.779 we don't even know. They come in with limited identity documents, 616 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.180 number one. Now, all of a sudden, they turn 18 617 00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:45.140 a few weeks later. They get released and they disappear. 618 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:46.980 And what do you think one of the first things 619 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.400 they do, Mark, when they get wherever they're going? They 620 00:33:50.420 --> 00:33:51.440 get a new set of ID. 621 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.880 Yeah, right. They take IDs and drop. Yeah. 622 00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:56.859 I mean, that's still part of this whole system. They 623 00:33:57.460 --> 00:34:02.119 obtain fraudulent identity documents. They get some United States citizen 624 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.130 social security number. they get some ID that they've stolen, 625 00:34:06.190 --> 00:34:10.550 they become a new persona, and we then have trouble 626 00:34:10.610 --> 00:34:14.510 finding them until they're someday arrested and their fingerprints are 627 00:34:14.550 --> 00:34:17.989 taken and the records match

up together because we took 628 00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:18.469 their fingerprints. 629 00:34:18.489 --> 00:34:20.650 Not to commit a crime or a drunk driving accident 630 00:34:20.670 --> 00:34:22.929 or something. Well, we're a little over half an hour. 631 00:34:22.989 --> 00:34:24.960 Just my last question, it's a small thing actually, is 632 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.599 these are mostly Central Americans we're talking about, right? In 633 00:34:27.619 --> 00:34:31.179 other words, are there Do you get kids from sort 634 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.840 of more far-flung destinations? 635 00:34:32.900 --> 00:34:36.519 Yeah, Mark. We still do get kids who need help. 636 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.320 So we still get kids from Ukraine. We still get 637 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:44.449 kids coming across the border from China, from Russia, who 638 00:34:44.590 --> 00:34:50.510 are seeking real asylum, Mark. And this is what the 639 00:34:50.550 --> 00:34:53.690 system was meant for, right? I mean, for those real 640 00:34:53.769 --> 00:34:58.090 cases that we can identify and work on and investigate 641 00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:00.739 and help those kids. But it's hard to do the 642 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.440 good work, the work that we should be doing under 643 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:07.539 these laws when you have thousands of other kids, you know, adult, 644 00:35:07.579 --> 00:35:11.030 near adult teenagers coming in for economic reasons to find 645 00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:11.340 a job. 646 00:35:11.590 --> 00:35:13.550 In the same way, the Border Patrol wasn't able to 647 00:35:13.590 --> 00:35:16.730 patrol the border because they were being basically serving as 648 00:35:16.769 --> 00:35:19.690 Walmart greeters at the border. And so they couldn't do 649 00:35:19.730 --> 00:35:23.230 their actual job. The same idea, again, the same idea 650 00:35:23.289 --> 00:35:28.219 with asylum adjudication. Judges are having one after another phony case. 651 00:35:28.659 --> 00:35:32.309 The people who actually warrant it, don't get the attention 652 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:34.329 they need. So it's the same kind of situation. 653 00:35:34.349 --> 00:35:37.750 Yeah. And again, I want to make sure that people 654 00:35:37.769 --> 00:35:41.030 understand we are here to help kids. This is what 655 00:35:41.070 --> 00:35:43.469 we want to do. There are kids who are in 656 00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:47.090 trouble and who need help. But again, with all the 657 00:35:47.260 --> 00:35:50.360 fraud we have going on, it makes it harder for 658 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:51.460 us to actually do that job. 659 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.039 Well, that's good. Thanks, John, for coming in. John Fabricatori, 660 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.539 Special Advisor at the Office of Refugee Resettlement. part of 661 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:03.159 Health and Human Services, dealing mainly with this issue of 662 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.980 unaccompanied alien children. In other words, minors,

people under 18 663 00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:10.690 who come supposedly unaccompanied and how to deal with it, 664 00:36:10.699 --> 00:36:14.420 how to clean up the mess that the Biden administration 665 00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:17.780 left after four years of dysfunction. So thanks for coming 666 00:36:17.860 --> 00:36:23.139 in and good luck in, you know, continuing the cleanup work, 667 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.800 as it were, that you've been tasked with. Thanks, Mark. 668 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:26.599 I appreciate you having me. 669 00:36:27.530 --> 00:36:30.070 And finally, just wanted to draw your attention to a 670 00:36:30.670 --> 00:36:33.789 news item about something that we've talked about both on 671 00:36:33.809 --> 00:36:37.289 this podcast as well as written about frequently here at CIS, 672 00:36:37.349 --> 00:36:41.280 and that is U visas, the letter U, which is 673 00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:45.119 a kind of visa for illegal aliens who are victims 674 00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:50.739 of certain crimes and are helpful to police in investigating 675 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.889 those crimes. And I guess as a purpose to it, 676 00:36:54.949 --> 00:36:57.409 although I'm not clear what it is. The problem, of course, 677 00:36:57.590 --> 00:37:01.750 is that it has become a major avenue for fraud. 678 00:37:02.610 --> 00:37:06.050 Of course, almost every visa program is riddled with fraud. 679 00:37:06.650 --> 00:37:10.610 The thing we just talked about with John Fabricatore, the 680 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:16.300 unaccompanied minors, enormous amounts of fraud there too. This particular 681 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.960 kind of fraud came to my attention just because of 682 00:37:20.019 --> 00:37:24.619 a news item where somebody was sentenced to federal prison 683 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:30.570 for organizing and staging fake armed robberies so that the 684 00:37:30.610 --> 00:37:35.289 supposed victims could then apply for a U visa as 685 00:37:35.349 --> 00:37:39.170 a crime victim. And so what would happen is this guy, 686 00:37:39.570 --> 00:37:42.809 in this particular instance, over a couple of year period, 687 00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:46.769 a guy named Parth Nayi, it doesn't say, he sounds 688 00:37:46.809 --> 00:37:49.079 like he might be Indian national, it doesn't say, it 689 00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:52.679 doesn't really matter. He staged not just one or two 690 00:37:53.420 --> 00:37:59.489 fake armed robberies, but hundreds of staged armed robberies at 691 00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:04.090 businesses in Chicago and in the surrounding suburbs, which the 692 00:38:04.289 --> 00:38:08.699 supposed victims of these crimes paid to be staged. They 693 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.059 paid him from $ 5, 000 to $ 30, 000 to have him come 694 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:18.949 with a gun to their whatever, the gas station or 695 00:38:18.989 --> 00:38:21.170 the liquor store or the coffee shop they work at 696 00:38:21.789 --> 00:38:25.570 and pretend

to, you know, do a stick-up. I don't know, actually. 697 00:38:25.590 --> 00:38:27.289 It doesn't say here whether he actually took the money 698 00:38:27.329 --> 00:38:29.289 or he just waved his gun around and then ran away. 699 00:38:29.989 --> 00:38:34.210 And then the people, the supposed victims, would then wait 700 00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:36.030 a few minutes to make sure he got away and 701 00:38:36.070 --> 00:38:38.730 call the police and say, oh my gosh, you know, 702 00:38:38.769 --> 00:38:40.789 I've been a victim of crime. I really need to, 703 00:38:41.309 --> 00:38:43.429 I want to apply for a U visa. I mean, 704 00:38:43.469 --> 00:38:45.219 it's kind of funny when you think about it, but 705 00:38:45.739 --> 00:38:49.489 it's an outrageous thing. abuse of the immigration system. This 706 00:38:49.550 --> 00:38:51.809 guy was only, we'll put the link into the Justice 707 00:38:51.849 --> 00:38:54.550 Department announcement, but he was only sentenced to two years 708 00:38:54.630 --> 00:38:58.280 in federal prison and $ 50, 000 fine. It seems to me 709 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:04.320 should be a much more significant penalty than that. It's 710 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.599 interesting though, of course, this was happening in the Chicago area. 711 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.469 This kind of thing happens nationwide, but I suspect In Texas, 712 00:39:13.510 --> 00:39:15.329 at least, it doesn't happen as much as it used 713 00:39:15.369 --> 00:39:17.510 to because there's a story from a number of years ago, 714 00:39:17.550 --> 00:39:21.719 a real thing, where one of these fake armed robberies 715 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.389 was staged at a gas station. And the illegal alien 716 00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:29.250 working at the gas station paid this guy to come 717 00:39:29.329 --> 00:39:32.519 and stick him up. up and wave a gun around 718 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:34.960 and demand money. And the point was then he would 719 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.510 run off and the guy would apply for his U visa. Well, 720 00:39:38.889 --> 00:39:41.750 this is Texas. So a guy with his pickup truck, 721 00:39:41.929 --> 00:39:44.489 gassing up his pickup truck, has a gun with him. 722 00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:48.789 And he saw this armed robbery taking place, and he 723 00:39:48.849 --> 00:39:53.389 gunned down and killed the scammer, the one who was 724 00:39:53.489 --> 00:39:57.860 staging this fake armed robbery for immigration purposes. Frankly, he 725 00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:00.579 got what he deserved, and it was a much more 726 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.659 fitting punishment than two lousy years in jail and $ 50, 000 fine. 727 00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:09.150 But nonetheless, it's clear that the Justice Department is cracking 728 00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:12.269 down on this kind of fraud, and there's much more 729 00:40:12.789 --> 00:40:14.949 that could be done. We've written about this. We'll have 730 00:40:14.989 --> 00:40:18.230 a link to... a podcast we did at the beginning 731 00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:21.530 of this year on the issue of U visas. But 732 00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:25.719 this really just shines a light on one corner of 733 00:40:25.780 --> 00:40:30.619 the immigration system and how completely riddled with fraud that 734 00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:33.579 one corner is and how much, how riddled with fraud 735 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:37.500 the entire immigration system is. That's it for this episode 736 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:42.679 of Parsing Immigration Policy. Next week is, um, Election day, 737 00:40:43.059 --> 00:40:44.940 whoever you want to vote for, do your civic duty 738 00:40:44.980 --> 00:40:47.460 and vote. If you haven't already done it, I voted early. 739 00:40:48.219 --> 00:40:53.639 And we will have a post-election podcast, probably not next week, 740 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.059 but the week after to see if there are, you know, 741 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.909 what the immigration implications, if any, of what the results 742 00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:04.050 of the election are. But for now, that's it for 743 00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:08.980 Parsing Immigration Policy. Thanks to John Fabricatori for coming in 744 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.539 and enlightening us about what they're doing in finding these 745 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:17.230 lost UACs. Thanks to Brian Griffith, our producer, for making 746 00:41:17.269 --> 00:41:19.809 this whole thing work. And thanks most of all to 747 00:41:19.849 --> 00:41:21.449 you all for tuning in, and I hope you tune 748 00:41:21.489 --> 00:41:21.849 in next week.