התמלול המלא של S8 EP12: Sara Barron

00:01:38.379 --> 00:01:39.840 Right, Josh, there's a couple of things I wanted to 42 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.180 run past you from when we spoke on Tuesday. 43 00:01:42.260 --> 00:01:42.459 Right. 44 00:01:43.099 --> 00:01:45.150 So we are dads. This is a parenting podcast. 45 00:01:45.310 --> 00:01:45.549 Yeah. 46 00:01:45.730 --> 00:01:46.549 Is that the first one? 47 00:01:46.750 --> 00:01:49.909 Yeah, just confirming that. I'm doing the right one, aren't I? 48 00:01:50.489 --> 00:01:50.769 Right. 49 00:01:51.030 --> 00:01:53.629 Barbecues. Now, I want to talk to you about barbecuing. 50 00:01:53.989 --> 00:01:54.189 Yeah. 51 00:01:54.370 --> 00:01:58.739 It's almost like a cliche that dads get into barbecuing. Yeah, 52 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.329 and cooking meat and smoking and all that. 53 00:02:01.420 --> 00:02:02.430 In early February? 54 00:02:02.609 --> 00:02:04.930 No, no, not now, but for the summer. But it's spring, 55 00:02:04.950 --> 00:02:06.969 so you've got to start thinking about, well, that's what 56 00:02:06.989 --> 00:02:08.830 I was saying, have you got a barbecue? Do you 57 00:02:08.849 --> 00:02:10.969 really want one? Because I feel like I want a 58 00:02:11.009 --> 00:02:12.969 barbecue and I want to be a barbecuer, but I 59 00:02:12.990 --> 00:02:15.400 don't know if I really do. And it's like, is 60 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.139 it that when you get old that you like it 61 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:19.919 or do I just do it because that's what's expected 62 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:20.240 of me? 63 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.120 Has David Beckham cooked that mushroom on? 64 00:02:22.819 --> 00:02:28.509 He might have been that, actually. The way Beckham cooked 65 00:02:28.530 --> 00:02:31.250 that mushroom in his document. But it's like everyone my 66 00:02:31.289 --> 00:02:31.990 age does it. 67 00:02:32.210 --> 00:02:32.490 Yeah. 68 00:02:32.550 --> 00:02:34.009 And I feel like I should be doing it, but 69 00:02:34.030 --> 00:02:35.270 I don't even know if I want to be doing 70 00:02:35.289 --> 00:02:36.180 it or I could be bothered. 71 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.659 Well, I think they do it as an escape, don't they? 72 00:02:39.699 --> 00:02:43.080 It's like, I'll go out there for two hours and 73 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:44.520 get the barbecue ready. 74 00:02:44.819 --> 00:02:46.139 That's what I feel like I'm doing it for. 75 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:49.139 It's difficult because I'm veggie, obviously, so it doesn't appeal 76 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:49.599 as much. 77 00:02:49.659 --> 00:02:49.960 Yeah. 78 00:02:50.099 --> 00:02:52.740 But who are you envisaging coming round? 79 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:54.780 No one, really. It's more for me. 80 00:02:56.069 --> 00:02:59.669 So you can get ones that now, that aren't like, 81 00:03:00.110 --> 00:03:01.969 I've got to go and get the charcoal going for 82 00:03:02.030 --> 00:03:03.009 two hours and like. 83 00:03:03.030 --> 00:03:04.490 Because that's the thing, I want a charcoal one because 84 00:03:04.509 --> 00:03:07.030 it tastes nicer in gas, but... Right, yeah. What are 85 00:03:07.050 --> 00:03:08.050 you suggesting a gas one? 86 00:03:08.449 --> 00:03:12.430 Well, I'm suggesting that if it's just for you, it 87 00:03:12.469 --> 00:03:14.849 feels mental for you to be getting the charcoal going, 88 00:03:15.129 --> 00:03:17.620 making yourself one burger and then being done. 89 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:19.860 Lou would probably eat it, but the girls wouldn't really. 90 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.199 They'd rather me just put some sausages in the oven. 91 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:23.439 Exactly, that's the problem. 92 00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:24.560 So what am I doing it for? 93 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:24.979 Yeah. 94 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.860 Because I think that'd be nice, wouldn't it? In the summer, 95 00:03:28.219 --> 00:03:28.960 cooking all that up. 96 00:03:29.419 --> 00:03:31.699 I think if you're going to have a barbecue, Rob, 97 00:03:32.099 --> 00:03:33.780 you're going to have people around you that you don't 98 00:03:33.819 --> 00:03:34.379 want around. 99 00:03:34.819 --> 00:03:36.199 Yeah, and then I'm cooking all day, aren't I? But 100 00:03:36.219 --> 00:03:38.469 then I can't just start doing like a brisket for me. 101 00:03:38.530 --> 00:03:40.129 But then you're cooking because you don't want to be 102 00:03:40.189 --> 00:03:43.270 talking to them. The person who's doing the barbecue is 103 00:03:43.310 --> 00:03:48.419 the least sociable person. You're basically styling being an introvert 104 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.300 as being the life and soul of the party if 105 00:03:50.340 --> 00:03:50.960 you're on the barbecue. 106 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:51.340 Yes. 107 00:03:52.099 --> 00:03:53.960 Of course I was, mate. I was the one doing 108 00:03:53.979 --> 00:03:57.159 the bloody barbecue. But actually you're going, yeah, leave me 109 00:03:57.180 --> 00:04:00.259 in the fucking corner with these burgers and I'll tell 110 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:01.819 you which are veg and which are not when you 111 00:04:01.860 --> 00:04:03.539 walk over and that's the only conversation I want to 112 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:04.090 have all day. 113 00:04:04.379 --> 00:04:05.939 Yeah, anyway, I'll have a think about it. I don't 114 00:04:05.969 --> 00:04:07.949 know what I'm doing, but I just wanted your opinion 115 00:04:07.990 --> 00:04:08.150 on it. 116 00:04:08.150 --> 00:04:09.310 I think you should do it. 117 00:04:09.669 --> 00:04:11.550 It just feels almost too on brand for me to 118 00:04:11.590 --> 00:04:12.330 get into it, doesn't it? 119 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:14.370 Yeah. It's a bit like. 120 00:04:14.379 --> 00:04:16.970 There it is. I love the pizza oven, though. 121 00:04:16.990 --> 00:04:17.449 I use that. 122 00:04:17.709 --> 00:04:21.079 Yeah. Getting into it's weird because... I think people who 123 00:04:21.139 --> 00:04:23.879 get into it must have more time than me. When 124

00:04:23.939 --> 00:04:25.160 are they getting into it? 125 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.899 So I think it's because most people work nine to five, 126 00:04:27.939 --> 00:04:29.939 so they know that they've got all day Sunday. 127 00:04:30.139 --> 00:04:30.949 Right, yeah, yeah. 128 00:04:30.970 --> 00:04:32.629 So if they go and grab it after work or 129 00:04:32.649 --> 00:04:34.970 on a Saturday, they know on Sunday, they might take 130 00:04:35.009 --> 00:04:36.990 their kids to a bit of something in the morning. 131 00:04:37.269 --> 00:04:37.430 Yeah. 132 00:04:37.449 --> 00:04:39.889 Then all afternoon, you can cook while the football's on. 133 00:04:39.949 --> 00:04:41.449 But you're at Radio 2. 134 00:04:41.449 --> 00:04:42.930 Yeah, exactly. So I'm at Radio 2, so I'm going 135 00:04:42.970 --> 00:04:45.129 to miss most of that. And then it's Saturdays, but 136 00:04:45.170 --> 00:04:47.370 then I'm normally work Saturday, so I'm going to be 137 00:04:47.670 --> 00:04:49.410 cooking a brisket on my own on a Tuesday. 138 00:04:49.430 --> 00:04:49.550 Okay. 139 00:04:54.420 --> 00:04:56.279 I don't even really want. What I don't want to 140 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.079 do is be recording this in summer and hear you 141 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:00.740 sizzling away. 142 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.750 One second. I'm a bit late. I'm just putting the 143 00:05:03.810 --> 00:05:09.449 charcoal on for a slow cook. And then cleaning it 144 00:05:09.470 --> 00:05:11.069 as well. We need a small business chef so we 145 00:05:11.089 --> 00:05:12.389 can clean barbecues. 146 00:05:12.410 --> 00:05:15.519 There's so much mess associated with it. And then a 147 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.279 huge bowl of fucking salad that you're going to throw away. 148 00:05:18.300 --> 00:05:18.379 Yeah. 149 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:21.360 You put it in the fridge and then the next 150 00:05:21.420 --> 00:05:23.000 morning you're like, why did I put that back in 151 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:23.399 the fridge? 152 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:23.899 Look at it. 153 00:05:24.180 --> 00:05:27.519 It's got dressing on. Cold store straight in the bin. 154 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.199 No one wanted the cold store again. You make a 155 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:31.839 solid point. But I think that's why people get into 156 00:05:31.899 --> 00:05:34.800 it is when they've got all weekend. Yeah. We work weekends, 157 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:35.139 don't we? 158 00:05:35.180 --> 00:05:37.720 Look at David Beckham. What the fuck's he doing really? 159 00:05:38.189 --> 00:05:40.420 He sort of floats around like playing dress up, doesn't he? 160 00:05:40.430 --> 00:05:43.470 Like fancy dress his life. His little Miami suits when 161 00:05:43.490 --> 00:05:46.649 he's into Miami. Then he looks like Sherlock Holmes walking 162 00:05:46.689 --> 00:05:47.769 a dog and cooking a mushroom. 163 00:05:47.790 --> 00:05:47.870 Yeah. 164 00:05:48.740 --> 00:05:50.699 He was an absolute serial killer. If he weren't David 165 00:05:50.740 --> 00:05:52.160 Beckham and I went, what have you been up to? 166 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.160 I sort of dress up Sherlock Holmes, go to a 167 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.339 tent at the bottom of my garden and cook one mushroom. 168 00:05:57.459 --> 00:05:57.759 Why? 169 00:05:57.779 --> 00:06:01.879 I don't know. I think I've got too much money. 170 00:06:01.899 --> 00:06:04.040 I don't know what to do. So I just panic 171 00:06:04.060 --> 00:06:07.519 bought a mushroom. Anyway, I just thought I'd pick a 172 00:06:07.540 --> 00:06:09.319 brain about that. Oh, did I tell you about what 173 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.740 Lou did? I put it on my Instagram. I don't 174 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:13.000 know if you saw that. She woke me up at 175 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:15.279 like seven in the morning. This was the first half term. 176 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:16.860 She woke me up at like seven in the morning 177 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:18.399 and went, oh, We need to get some fabric condition. 178 00:06:18.420 --> 00:06:19.459 I need to put a load of wash on today. 179 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:20.860 So I'm going to go grab some quick from the shop. 180 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:22.579 The shop's five minutes away from our house. 181 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:22.959 Yeah. 182 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.610 She drove in the car and on autopilot did the 183 00:06:26.689 --> 00:06:29.889 school run. Drove to the school just 20 minutes away. 184 00:06:30.310 --> 00:06:31.069 Without the kids? 185 00:06:31.149 --> 00:06:34.250 No kids in the car. They're in their beds on iPads. Basically, 186 00:06:34.269 --> 00:06:35.769 she got to the school and was like, I've gone 187 00:06:35.790 --> 00:06:36.129 the wrong way. 188 00:06:36.149 --> 00:06:36.449 What am I doing? 189 00:06:36.470 --> 00:06:38.029 Because the shop was five minutes away. Then she carried 190 00:06:38.050 --> 00:06:39.970 her on going away from our house to a shop 191 00:06:39.990 --> 00:06:41.810 she remembered going to when we lived at our old house. 192 00:06:41.870 --> 00:06:43.250 Oh my God. She was gone for an hour and 193 00:06:43.269 --> 00:06:45.600 a half. Rob, Lou's having an affair, by the way. 194 00:06:46.699 --> 00:06:47.100 She's the way. 195 00:06:47.579 --> 00:06:51.170 She was exhausted when she got back. Rob, what can 196 00:06:51.209 --> 00:06:55.769 I do? I like your Instagram posts. Yeah. I watch 197 00:06:55.829 --> 00:06:59.370 them by clicking through to you. But Instagram has decided 198 00:06:59.410 --> 00:07:01.009 you are not one of my chosen people. Not on 199 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.019 the top. However much I do this. You never come up. 200 00:07:04.339 --> 00:07:05.920 So you also have seen this on Instagram. 201 00:07:06.220 --> 00:07:09.379 Yours always comes up. Yeah. What are your top three ones? 202 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:10.899 If you go to your Instagram now, what ones are 203 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:11.300 you getting? 204

00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.990 I'm not going to tell you, Rob. Because two of 205 00:07:14.019 --> 00:07:15.930 them are comedians that I think are really shit, so 206 00:07:15.949 --> 00:07:16.990 I watch all of their stories. 207 00:07:19.470 --> 00:07:20.529 Oh, that's the problem, isn't it? 208 00:07:21.189 --> 00:07:21.990 That's the problem. 209 00:07:22.329 --> 00:07:24.319 That's a huge problem. But then if you just refresh it, 210 00:07:24.339 --> 00:07:25.610 it always changes it anyway, doesn't it? 211 00:07:26.220 --> 00:07:26.589 Does it? 212 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.399 Yeah. If you refresh it, it just brings up different ones. 213 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:30.220 Right. 214 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.120 Do you want to do some correspondence? 215 00:07:32.420 --> 00:07:33.819 Should we do one bit of correspondence? 216 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:35.920 Well, let's just do one little bit because we get lost. 217 00:07:35.939 --> 00:07:37.720 Thanks so much for sending it in. We talk so 218 00:07:37.740 --> 00:07:39.160 much shit, though. We forget to do it, don't we? 219 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.180 I know. I'll just do the top one. Okay. 220 00:07:41.620 --> 00:07:44.290 Did Rob see the news that a famous TikTok celeb, 221 00:07:44.589 --> 00:07:48.250 Luke and Sassy Scott, called one of their new baby Beckett... Sorry. 222 00:07:48.269 --> 00:07:48.470 Sorry. 223 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:53.250 Did Rob see the... That's not too corresponding. 224 00:07:54.009 --> 00:07:56.670 Sarah Barron. 225 00:07:56.689 --> 00:07:58.990 Do you know what's weird? I find reading out loud 226 00:07:59.149 --> 00:07:59.850 so hard. 227 00:07:59.990 --> 00:08:00.790 It's weird. 228 00:08:00.829 --> 00:08:03.069 Did Rob see the news that a famous TikTok celeb, 229 00:08:03.250 --> 00:08:05.040 Luke and Sassy Scott, do you know these? 230 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:05.560 I don't know these. 231 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:06.180 No, I don't know these. 232 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:09.740 Called one of their new baby twins, Bobby Beckett. 233 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:10.579 No. 234 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.959 Bobby B-O-B-B-I Beckett. Must be super fans of the show 235 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:16.370 from Anna. They must sound like they're American. 236 00:08:17.110 --> 00:08:18.370 Wow, Bobby Beckett. 237 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:20.120 Luke and Sassy Scott. 238 00:08:20.149 --> 00:08:21.540 So is Beckett the middle name? 239 00:08:21.860 --> 00:08:25.420 No, it's a hyphen, so it's like Anne-Marie Beckett. It's 240 00:08:25.540 --> 00:08:28.279 Bobby Beckett and then whatever the... Sassy Scott. 241 00:08:28.899 --> 00:08:30.019 Luke and Sassy Scott. 242 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.559 Melbourne brothers. Luke and Sassy Scott. Right, so they're a 243 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.480 gay couple that have had twins and they're from Melbourne. 244 00:08:36.659 --> 00:08:37.539 Wait, are they brothers? 245 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.759 They can't be brothers. Look, I'm a very liberal

man, 246 00:08:40.779 --> 00:08:45.190 but I cannot... I cannot say I'm okay with two brothers. 247 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:51.500 Being in a relationship and having children. You've got to draw, 248 00:08:51.879 --> 00:09:00.879 you must draw the line somewhere. We've interviewed gay men 249 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:03.980 that have had children through all different means and I'm 250 00:09:04.100 --> 00:09:07.820 fully for it. No problem with it whatsoever. However, two brothers, 251 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:10.279 I can't abide it. They can't be brothers, can they? 252 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.250 Are they just brothers that have had kids together? 253 00:09:13.690 --> 00:09:15.970 Or what does it say, the brothers? What does it say, 254 00:09:16.009 --> 00:09:16.509 the brothers? 255 00:09:17.450 --> 00:09:19.190 Well, I'm 500 years old. 256 00:09:19.210 --> 00:09:21.909 Also, I'm like, a part of me is trying to 257 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.399 backtrack and go, yeah, it's probably okay, actually, for two brothers. 258 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.539 It can't be. No, it can be if they're just 259 00:09:28.340 --> 00:09:31.159 bringing up two kids together. They're not in a couple. Right. 260 00:09:31.299 --> 00:09:33.649 Luke 32 and Scott 37 are part of a tight-knit 261 00:09:33.669 --> 00:09:35.929 family going about everyday lives. Luke is a radiographer at 262 00:09:35.950 --> 00:09:37.850 the Melbourne Hospital and Scott is a general manager at 263 00:09:37.870 --> 00:09:39.690 the Port Melbourne venue, the Timber Yard. 264 00:09:39.750 --> 00:09:43.190 It says Melbourne Brothers on their Instagram. So they're brothers, 265 00:09:43.230 --> 00:09:47.090 they're not a couple. We can't do correspondence ever again. 266 00:09:47.700 --> 00:09:52.039 They are brothers, I think. They can't have kids, can they? 267 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:56.230 I don't understand, does he think? Look at Ceci's car. 268 00:09:56.250 --> 00:09:57.529 Do they have children? 269 00:09:57.549 --> 00:09:59.580 Are they still together? 270 00:09:59.929 --> 00:10:00.720 What's that mean? 271 00:10:00.740 --> 00:10:02.340 Are they still together? 272 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:09.139 This is incest. Now, I think, right, so I think 273 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.429 they are brothers that do funny videos together. Sassy Scott 274 00:10:13.460 --> 00:10:16.460 has been trying to... Right. Thank the fucking Lord I've 275 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:17.059 worked this out. 276 00:10:17.299 --> 00:10:17.519 Right. 277 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.779 Luke and Sassy Scott are brothers that do funny videos. 278 00:10:21.139 --> 00:10:21.480 Right. 279 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.759 Sassy Scott has been trying to have children with his 280 00:10:23.820 --> 00:10:29.919 partner Marcus. Thank God. So Sassy Scott has got twins 281 00:10:30.070 --> 00:10:32.549 with his partner Marcus and one's called Bobby Beckett. His 282 00:10:32.649 --> 00:10:37.409 brother who he works with, he's not in a relationship. 283 00:10:37.549 --> 00:10:40.889 Well, that's the end of the correspondence. 284 00:10:40.909 --> 00:10:40.980 Yes. 285 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:46.200 Welcome, yeah. 286 00:10:46.820 --> 00:10:48.259 Welcome, Sarah Barron. 287 00:10:48.740 --> 00:10:49.860 At one point, I was just going to say, it's 288 00:10:49.899 --> 00:10:51.580 okay to fuck your brother. 289 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.000 But it's not, is it? It's to their own. I 290 00:10:55.019 --> 00:10:57.720 don't know anymore. Goodbye to judge. 291 00:10:57.740 --> 00:11:00.679 I'll be on GB News trying to defend it. I 292 00:11:00.710 --> 00:11:02.620 just don't think it's okay to fuck your brother. I've 293 00:11:03.710 --> 00:11:04.850 been dropped by Sky. 294 00:11:04.870 --> 00:11:11.590 I've been cancelled. 295 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.220 What did you say? I just didn't think it was okay. 296 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:15.259 He's a fucking brother. 297 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:18.039 Anyway, here's Sarah Barron. Jesus. 298 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:26.870 It's hard, isn't it, 2024? So, welcome to the podcast, Sarah. 299 00:11:26.909 --> 00:11:29.370 We've all met before, actually, on Josh's show, Hypothetical. 300 00:11:29.450 --> 00:11:30.230 Years ago. 301 00:11:30.529 --> 00:11:31.450 Yeah, we all did together. 302 00:11:32.009 --> 00:11:33.730 I mean, I feel like, you know, there's like, you 303 00:11:33.990 --> 00:11:37.320 want openness, right? But then sometimes someone can take it 304 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.000 to a too open level and it gets instantly cringeworthy. Yeah. 305 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:42.919 But I felt that my, and I've said this, I've 306 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:44.620 certainly said this to James Acaster. I don't know if 307 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:46.950 I've said this to either of you. That was one 308 00:11:46.990 --> 00:11:51.549 of my waking nightmare professional moments was my experience on Hypothetical. 309 00:11:52.129 --> 00:11:55.870 And so I feel so grateful to be here and 310 00:11:56.049 --> 00:11:59.730 traumatized to see both of your faces together again. Oh 311 00:11:59.750 --> 00:12:03.440 my gosh. It was like the kind of thing that 312 00:12:03.460 --> 00:12:05.440 you'd have a nightmare about where you're on a panel 313 00:12:05.460 --> 00:12:07.460 show and you're like, what am I supposed to say? 314 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.350 What am I supposed to say? Like my buzzcocks. Like 315 00:12:10.370 --> 00:12:10.950 my buzzcocks. 316 00:12:11.049 --> 00:12:12.529 That your buzzcocks, Josh? 317 00:12:12.769 --> 00:12:15.269 That was my buzzcocks. Well, no, I'm not saying it 318 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:18.000 was for you. Not from the outside. I texted Alex 319 00:12:18.029 --> 00:12:21.200 Horne who hosted my buzzcocks disaster about six months ago 320 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.710 about it. He had no memory of it. It's only 321 00:12:23.769 --> 00:12:25.190 in your own head, mate. Yes. 322 00:12:25.669 --> 00:12:27.830 I'm shocked

to hear that you didn't enjoy that and 323 00:12:27.870 --> 00:12:29.809 you didn't, I just felt, oh, he's really funny and 324 00:12:29.830 --> 00:12:31.470 just joined in and it was fine. 325 00:12:31.590 --> 00:12:32.549 And here you are now. 326 00:12:32.570 --> 00:12:35.009 Well, here I am now, I think is the thing. 327 00:12:35.090 --> 00:12:37.769 And for me, this is going to be, and I'll 328 00:12:37.809 --> 00:12:39.700 just lean into the American-ness here, this is going to 329 00:12:39.740 --> 00:12:41.919 be what we call an emotionally corrective experience. 330 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:42.480 Brilliant. 331 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:42.980 This is good. 332 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.110 Yeah, so that I can start to feel... excited by 333 00:12:46.149 --> 00:12:50.360 your faces together instead of like hearkening back to that 334 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.039 2019 crash and burn failure. It wasn't. 335 00:12:53.139 --> 00:12:55.519 I mean, everyone's got one of those. Everyone's got one. 336 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:56.879 Mine was what I lied to you. I had a 337 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.759 nightmare on that. But it probably was fine, but I 338 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:02.240 felt like it was awful. So why did you feel 339 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:04.539 like that was awful, Sarah? What was going on? 340 00:13:04.779 --> 00:13:06.940 I mean, I don't know how inside baseball this will 341 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:08.990 or won't get. So first of all, it was the 342 00:13:09.019 --> 00:13:14.509 two of you, Obbs, James, and Jonathan Ross and Maisie Adam. Yes. 343 00:13:14.549 --> 00:13:16.480 Good lineup, that, isn't it? Fucking hell. 344 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.200 Great lineup. Don't get that on Dave anymore. No. 345 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:24.460 Like, this is never the best way to start is 346 00:13:24.500 --> 00:13:26.360 by talking about what a piece of shit you are, 347 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.820 unless maybe it's somehow charming. But I can remember being 348 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:34.980 backstage and watching Maisie, who has come up and up 349 00:13:35.019 --> 00:13:37.740 and up since then, and watching her chat, like do 350 00:13:37.779 --> 00:13:40.279 this sort of backstage Jonathan Ross chat. 351 00:13:40.539 --> 00:13:40.779 Yeah. 352 00:13:40.940 --> 00:13:43.480 And thinking like, You know, they say what they always 353 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.139 say before you do these things. It's like, it's like 354 00:13:45.179 --> 00:13:48.559 you're at a dinner party. Just have a good time. 355 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.470 Then you're sat there as the newbie being like, that's 356 00:13:51.500 --> 00:13:52.379 Jonathan fucking Ross. 357 00:13:52.450 --> 00:13:52.789 Yeah. 358 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:54.870 Okay. But just like, just be cool. Just be cool. 359 00:13:55.309 --> 00:13:57.429 And I'm much older. Like I started stand up late. 360 00:13:57.470 --> 00:14:01.370 So I'm older than everyone and everyone's younger. And I 361 00:14:01.450 --> 00:14:04.070 thought like my outfit was bad. I thought like I 362 00:14:04.090 --> 00:14:06.159 looked like a middle-aged lady trying to look like 25 363 00:14:06.149 --> 00:14:08.679 and And there was Maisie and she was in like 364 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.029 a perfect shirt and her awesome combat boots with her 365 00:14:11.090 --> 00:14:15.470 good hair. She was honestly talking to Jonathan Ross. like 366 00:14:15.549 --> 00:14:18.690 she was just at a dinner party. It was so effortless. 367 00:14:19.070 --> 00:14:23.929 From then I was like, I'm on a downhill slope already. 368 00:14:24.409 --> 00:14:27.009 And then I just got on and I don't, if 369 00:14:27.049 --> 00:14:29.340 I'm not mistaken, Josh, part of the way that you 370 00:14:29.379 --> 00:14:33.740 guys devised that show was you wanted to give your 371 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.080 colleagues a way of being on TV without having to 372 00:14:37.139 --> 00:14:39.120 do any prep work. Like just show up and we'll 373 00:14:39.139 --> 00:14:41.700 do this thing. And it's like a great format. And 374 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.059 so everyone was like, this is the great thing about hypothetical. Like, 375 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.789 it's them. They're fun. They're not there to, like, edge 376 00:14:46.830 --> 00:14:48.509 you out. They don't want you to have to prep. 377 00:14:48.570 --> 00:14:51.389 And I'm like, please let me have some prep. Like, 378 00:14:51.470 --> 00:14:57.590 please give me some work because I... freeze and this 379 00:14:57.649 --> 00:15:00.370 is gross and it's status obsessed but that's part of 380 00:15:00.409 --> 00:15:04.279 my vibe like I do not do well when I'm 381 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.259 afraid of people and it's not that I was afraid 382 00:15:06.299 --> 00:15:08.360 of you guys but I was like this is what 383 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.009 they do it's what they do and it's not what 384 00:15:12.289 --> 00:15:17.070 I do and I just sat there. I don't remember 385 00:15:17.090 --> 00:15:20.309 this at all, really. Like, my face was turning hot red. 386 00:15:20.409 --> 00:15:24.360 It's what Maisie is born for. Jonathan Ross is a king. 387 00:15:24.460 --> 00:15:27.700 Rob Beckett's going, going, going. And I was just like.... 388 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.250 We weren't mean to you though, were we, Sarah? 389 00:15:32.330 --> 00:15:33.669 No, no, no, no, no. First of all, if you 390 00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:37.110 were mean to me, then no. But it was like, 391 00:15:37.210 --> 00:15:38.929 and I know it's not going to be interesting for 392 00:15:38.950 --> 00:15:41.009 your listeners to sit and have me just like compliment 393 00:15:41.029 --> 00:15:41.330 you guys. 394 00:15:41.350 --> 00:15:42.889 I think if I'm honest, this is the best start 395 00:15:42.909 --> 00:15:43.769 we've ever. 396 00:15:43.529 --> 00:15:44.590 Had to an interview. 397 00:15:44.610 --> 00:15:47.789 There was some other point, Rob, where I saw you 398

00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.940 and I like was just instantly like, oh, just like 399 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.279 nausea because I associated it with this like sinking feeling. 400 00:15:56.850 --> 00:15:58.129 And I will just say this and then we can 401 00:15:58.149 --> 00:15:59.909 close this down. But there was some point when I 402 00:15:59.950 --> 00:16:02.710 went out to dinner with James Acaster. Like he'd come 403 00:16:02.750 --> 00:16:04.009 to a show that I did and then we went 404 00:16:04.049 --> 00:16:05.539 to get a bite afterwards. I was like, this is 405 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.460 really nice because that was so humiliating. And he was like, 406 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:10.080 here's what went wrong for you. And I was like, 407 00:16:10.220 --> 00:16:13.570 thank you. I felt like he was willing to. To 408 00:16:13.649 --> 00:16:15.830 acknowledge what had happened. 409 00:16:16.129 --> 00:16:18.769 I'm not acknowledging it. I barely remember it. Let alone 410 00:16:18.830 --> 00:16:21.230 Acaster giving you his points of view on where you 411 00:16:21.250 --> 00:16:21.610 went wrong. 412 00:16:21.629 --> 00:16:23.029 Yeah, who the fuck's he? I'm going to tell you 413 00:16:23.049 --> 00:16:25.210 where you went wrong. Fuck off, mate. Unless you're buying dinner. 414 00:16:25.230 --> 00:16:27.250 Keep your mouth shut. That's what I'll tell you. 415 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:29.139 It was from a place of kindness. 416 00:16:29.179 --> 00:16:30.080 Yeah, no, he's a good bloke. 417 00:16:30.139 --> 00:16:34.440 He hasn't bought dinner since Off Menu started in 2019. 418 00:16:34.580 --> 00:16:38.009 Free desserts all round. So what did he say then? Well, 419 00:16:38.090 --> 00:16:40.720 I've got no memory of that. And apologies when you 420 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:42.759 look at me, you feel nauseous. I reckon you'll get 421 00:16:42.779 --> 00:16:43.200 along with Lou. 422 00:16:43.220 --> 00:16:44.710 So did you consider not doing this? 423 00:16:45.330 --> 00:16:48.110 Not doing this no please come on i sent in 424 00:16:48.190 --> 00:16:50.509 i was like can someone help me get on parenting 425 00:16:50.570 --> 00:16:54.200 hell please no no no no we've met you guys 426 00:16:54.259 --> 00:16:57.620 are nice i had a crash and burn that's all 427 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.100 but we're gonna try so hard to not crash and 428 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:02.100 burn this time. 429 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:03.779 You might have felt like that but when we're off 430 00:17:03.850 --> 00:17:05.490 air i'll give you a list of people that crashed 431 00:17:05.549 --> 00:17:08.170 and burned far worse than you did on hypothetical but 432 00:17:08.210 --> 00:17:10.509 i don't think that's for now Even on this episode, 433 00:17:10.549 --> 00:17:12.809 what we've only been recording for about five minutes, I'd 434 00:17:12.849 --> 00:17:15.630 say it's been more entertaining and funnier than some guest's 435 00:17:15.750 --> 00:17:16.430 whole hour.

436 00:17:16.710 --> 00:17:19.019 You guys, you're so sweet. 437 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.220 How many kids you got, Sarah? Let's get on to that. 438 00:17:24.619 --> 00:17:29.359 I have one son who is approaching his eighth birthday. Right. 439 00:17:29.900 --> 00:17:31.700 How is he? 440 00:17:32.180 --> 00:17:35.579 How is he? He is medium at the moment. 441 00:17:36.549 --> 00:17:37.650 In what regard medium? 442 00:17:37.690 --> 00:17:40.690 You know, they're really getting into that point when they're 443 00:17:41.390 --> 00:17:45.869 getting towards seven, eight, where like those personalities are really 444 00:17:45.950 --> 00:17:46.910 starting to come out. 445 00:17:47.289 --> 00:17:47.589 Yeah. 446 00:17:47.710 --> 00:17:52.700 And he is an eccentric. He's like a little professor. 447 00:17:52.779 --> 00:17:56.019 He's very into, and he goes to a state school, 448 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.099 but it's a uniform free state school, which British people 449 00:18:00.140 --> 00:18:01.839 have a real response to. But as an American, I 450 00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:03.619 didn't grow up with uniforms. So it's all very sort of. 451 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:04.859 Comfortable for me. 452 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:06.480 But you don't have a uniform in America. 453 00:18:06.980 --> 00:18:11.559 No. And I have really mixed feelings. Well, actually, I 454 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.180 say I have mixed feelings. I don't. I think like 455 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:16.559 my friends whose kids go to regular state schools where 456 00:18:16.579 --> 00:18:19.960 they're in a uniform are like, oh, oh, look at 457 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:24.039 this little like... middle class setup where everyone's just in 458 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:27.789 their regular clothes and i'm like you know i think 459 00:18:27.809 --> 00:18:30.450 there's real positives to no uniforms and real positives to 460 00:18:30.490 --> 00:18:31.990 uniforms fine yeah. 461 00:18:31.910 --> 00:18:33.470 Normally if you're from like a bit of a poor 462 00:18:33.589 --> 00:18:36.890 area it's like really highlights if you're different i mean 463 00:18:36.910 --> 00:18:39.750 if you've not got the newest trainers or the best 464 00:18:39.809 --> 00:18:41.430 brands and stuff like that and then that takes a 465 00:18:41.470 --> 00:18:44.119 layer of awkwardness away because in america i don't know 466 00:18:44.140 --> 00:18:45.839 it's like that because it's optional you can wear what 467 00:18:45.859 --> 00:18:49.259 you want you obviously it's compulsory to take a gun Obviously, 468 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:50.779 I mean, right, right. The clothes, you can wear what 469 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:51.079 you want. 470 00:18:51.339 --> 00:18:54.039 Here's the thing, right? So I think theoretically the uniform 471 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:58.069 is great for the exact reasons that you're describing. Again, 472 00:18:58.250 --> 00:19:00.190 and I've lived here for 11 years. I've chosen to 473 00:19:00.230 -->

00:19:02.170 make my home here. We have no intention of moving back. 474 00:19:02.269 --> 00:19:05.430 Why would I? But I say it's like the second 475 00:19:05.450 --> 00:19:10.490 Trump presidency looms. But a thing I do find interesting 476 00:19:11.170 --> 00:19:15.019 is that like despite that sort of real effort to... 477 00:19:15.619 --> 00:19:20.839 eliminate a sense of difference through clothing. It is still 478 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.680 true that the class difference stuff is so much more 479 00:19:23.740 --> 00:19:27.299 prevalent here than it is in the States, you know? But, 480 00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:29.779 you know, I suppose if it's an imperfect solution, it's 481 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:31.019 still one to have. 482 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.500 But it's still with uniforms. Like those kids at my 483 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:35.380 school didn't have much money. None of us really did. 484 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:36.940 It wasn't sort of a very sort of rich area, 485 00:19:36.980 --> 00:19:39.519 but like there were kids that had blazers on that 486 00:19:39.539 --> 00:19:41.660 were eight sizes too big because that was going to 487 00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:44.000 see them through to year 10. So they'd have like 488 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.299 sleeves rolled up or in year 10, they'll have shorts 489 00:19:46.339 --> 00:19:48.630 that are off their shin because they were too small. 490 00:19:48.650 --> 00:19:50.759 They were hand-me-downs and stuff like that. still you can 491 00:19:50.779 --> 00:19:51.640 still see. 492 00:19:51.420 --> 00:19:53.069 And there was a kid at my school who had 493 00:19:53.230 --> 00:19:57.269 tippex on the penis bit of his trousers and it 494 00:19:57.309 --> 00:20:00.710 looked like semen and it was therefore every day because 495 00:20:00.730 --> 00:20:02.089 he only had one pair of trousers. 496 00:20:02.369 --> 00:20:06.029 Josh, I have no idea what semen you've seen, but 497 00:20:06.349 --> 00:20:07.910 I bet I've seen more than you. And I don't 498 00:20:07.930 --> 00:20:10.490 think I've ever seen any semen that looks like Tippex. 499 00:20:10.930 --> 00:20:13.119 Oh, if you're at school and someone's got a white 500 00:20:13.150 --> 00:20:15.140 mark around their crotch, that's spunk, mate. 501 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.009 You just got to go spunk on that one. 502 00:20:17.019 --> 00:20:17.500 You got to go spunk. 503 00:20:17.539 --> 00:20:22.640 It's like... Like a crispy and very clearly so white. 504 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.740 No, we're not saying it actually is semen. But if 505 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:29.460 you're 13 and you've got a wide mark around your 506 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:30.369 penis area. 507 00:20:30.549 --> 00:20:31.650 Yeah, you just got to go for spunk. 508 00:20:31.670 --> 00:20:32.630 It's an open goal. 509 00:20:32.809 --> 00:20:34.109 Okay, fine. I support that. 510 00:20:34.170 --> 00:20:34.509 Yeah. 511 00:20:34.670 --> 00:20:36.990 Well, the natural arc of conversation for me is always 512 00:20:37.049 --> 00:20:41.660 from spunk into my son. And that's just the natural 513 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.779 course that we should go. He loves suits. This is 514 00:20:44.819 --> 00:20:47.079 what I wanted to tell you about him. He only 515 00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:50.099 feels like himself if he wears little suits. 516 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:50.839 With a tie? 517 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:54.250 Not always, but he will sometimes wear a tie. Like 518 00:20:54.289 --> 00:20:55.730 if it's a special occasion, he likes to put a 519 00:20:55.769 --> 00:20:59.190 bow tie on. And he likes to wear a top hat. 520 00:20:59.589 --> 00:21:00.809 Is your son Tom Allen? 521 00:21:00.829 --> 00:21:02.029 Yeah. 522 00:21:02.490 --> 00:21:05.670 I kind of think he is Tom Allen. And funnily, 523 00:21:05.730 --> 00:21:07.769 he met Tom Allen when he was a little baby, 524 00:21:07.829 --> 00:21:10.480 and I feel like some bit of the essence, I 525 00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:14.700 should be so lucky, found its way into my little 526 00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:17.200 professor of a seven-and-a-half-year-old. 527 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:19.539 So how does it get into suits? Like, what's the 528 00:21:19.579 --> 00:21:20.019 kind of. 529 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:21.579 The sort of legs in first and the jacket on, 530 00:21:21.619 --> 00:21:24.480 isn't it? Well, you got a jacket first. 531 00:21:24.589 --> 00:21:28.059 Yeah. That's such an interesting question. How did he? Because 532 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:29.660 I was looking through like old photos of him. And 533 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:32.480 when he was five, we were on some like family 534 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.740 holiday when it was warm. And I was like, oh, right. 535 00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:38.430 He was still wearing like shorts and a T-shirt. Whereas 536 00:21:38.549 --> 00:21:41.430 now it would be like, mom, any chance of a 537 00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:44.150 linen suit? 538 00:21:44.529 --> 00:21:46.390 So in summer, he'd still wear it. Would he wear 539 00:21:46.430 --> 00:21:49.349 those like, you know, the smart shorts that Tom Allen wears? 540 00:21:49.819 --> 00:21:51.660 He would like to. That would be because, you know, 541 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:53.470 like I'm not going to spend that much money on him. 542 00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:56.829 My husband really likes spending money on him and I 543 00:21:57.269 --> 00:22:00.029 hate spending money on him. If we spend that money 544 00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:04.190 on me, I will really enjoy it. But if we 545 00:22:04.230 --> 00:22:07.519 get him like a 10 pound pair of shorts or 546 00:22:07.539 --> 00:22:11.039 a 30 pound pair of shorts, he doesn't know the difference. 547 00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:13.480 Whereas I sort of do. And I resent like any 548 00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:16.289 if any of his stuff were to possibly require even 549 00:22:16.349 --> 00:22:18.450 so much as like a cold water wash, that would 550 00:22:18.490

--> 00:22:18.829 annoy me. 551 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.920 Yeah also as well designer stuff you see people buying 552 00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:25.000 their kids like people you normally I sort of half 553 00:22:25.059 --> 00:22:27.119 judge but they'll buy their kid like a Canada Goose 554 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.789 coat that's like 600 pounds yeah that will not fit 555 00:22:30.829 --> 00:22:32.509 him in a year and I don't care how much 556 00:22:32.829 --> 00:22:35.150 money I'd ever earn there is no way on earth 557 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:37.450 I'm getting my kid a designer coat they're going to 558 00:22:37.470 --> 00:22:39.880 grow out of within a year It's insane. 559 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.380 Also, your income can be what your income is, but 560 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.279 it doesn't have to visually present in a certain way. 561 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:46.680 Right. 562 00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:49.460 So it's like I just don't like when anything says 563 00:22:49.660 --> 00:22:52.279 too much about you and any of those labels, especially 564 00:22:52.339 --> 00:22:55.259 on a child. It's like, yeah, it's just like throwing 565 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.740 the money away. But that is the most noteworthy thing 566 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.380 about him, I would say, at this stage. 567 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.079 And does his personality fit the suit? So when he's 568 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.259 wearing his suit in his mind, is he a kind of. 569 00:23:07.099 --> 00:23:11.509 English gentleman of a bygone era or city trader? 570 00:23:12.529 --> 00:23:15.609 Great question, Josh. 571 00:23:16.289 --> 00:23:19.430 And I think he is. But now, obviously, do you 572 00:23:19.490 --> 00:23:21.569 find like just that all the parents you talk to, 573 00:23:21.609 --> 00:23:25.279 like as the parent, you're simultaneously the one who knows 574 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:26.759 the most. And then also you are straight up the 575 00:23:26.779 --> 00:23:30.819 person who knows the least about any possible answer you 576 00:23:30.859 --> 00:23:34.210 have surrounding your own child. Because there's all the shit 577 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.359 that we just want to believe to be true. So 578 00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:39.799 on the one hand, I would really like it if 579 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.160 my son grew up to be like successful and make money. 580 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:44.140 I mean, we can say we want him to be happy, 581 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:50.480 but like, come on. Like, really? But truthfully, as honest 582 00:23:50.549 --> 00:23:52.650 as I think I can be, I'm not getting a 583 00:23:52.690 --> 00:23:53.990 city trader vibe from him. 584 00:23:54.009 --> 00:23:54.789 It's much more honest. 585 00:23:56.970 --> 00:24:00.380 I am from the Victorian period. Like it really is 586 00:24:00.450 --> 00:24:05.559 more Tom Allen kind of. And he likes to feel fancy. 587 00:24:05.660 --> 00:24:08.250 I think he's maybe even said that sentence to me. 588 00:24:08.309 --> 00:24:11.789 Like because I can feel really guilty sometimes because like 589 00:24:11.809 --> 00:24:14.359 he likes sometimes to wear a top hat. And that 590 00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:16.759 pushes it for me in terms of how much eccentricity 591 00:24:16.819 --> 00:24:17.519 I can manage. 592 00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:21.440 There's a lot of attention out in the shop. So 593 00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:24.539 Lou doesn't like people looking or attention. So if she 594 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:26.200 goes out with kids in top hats, she'd be like, 595 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:28.160 oh God, people are looking now. 596 00:24:28.289 --> 00:24:30.769 That's exactly the whole thing. And like, I like attention. 597 00:24:30.809 --> 00:24:33.130 Like if I got the attention, but like, I don't 598 00:24:33.170 --> 00:24:35.809 want anyone else in my family getting it. And it 599 00:24:35.869 --> 00:24:41.930 can be so, it just is. It says so much. 600 00:24:42.509 --> 00:24:45.799 And it's like you get a lot of looks. And 601 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.240 he's got this huge head of curls. So it's this 602 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.940 huge head of curls. And he's very into like period dressing, 603 00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:56.380 not period like Victorian era, but like before we started recording, 604 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.450 we were talking about Josh's affection for the Beatles, which 605 00:24:58.509 --> 00:25:01.470 my husband has. He's passed that on to my son. 606 00:25:01.970 --> 00:25:03.910 So he will often be like, is this like a 607 00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:07.970 1967 look? And I'm like, no. I know it's cute, 608 00:25:08.009 --> 00:25:11.319 but this is what I'm saying. 1967 is kind of cute, 609 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.339 but top of the morning to you top hat is 610 00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:18.420 like getting a little too much information. And we want 611 00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:22.059 our children to express themselves. Yeah. But you're like, but 612 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:27.789 not at fucking my expense here, buddy. 613 00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:31.650 There's a difference between wearing like slightly off center clothes, like, 614 00:25:31.730 --> 00:25:33.950 you know, a 60 suit or whatever. But if he's 615 00:25:33.990 --> 00:25:36.769 wandering around actually playing a character all the time, it's 616 00:25:36.789 --> 00:25:39.690 sort of like, where's the line between engaging with society 617 00:25:39.730 --> 00:25:43.200 and his classmates and everyone? And then also just performing 618 00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:45.359 at people, essentially. It's sort of a bit of a 619 00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:47.160 weird gray area, isn't it? Yes. 620 00:25:47.299 --> 00:25:48.980 And I think, you know, it's mostly the top hat 621 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.019 doesn't come out. But we went to the London Bridge experience. 622 00:25:52.059 --> 00:25:53.500 Like we were like trying to find a nice thing 623 00:25:53.519 -->

00:25:55.980 to do because it's half term when we're not going away. 624 00:25:56.019 --> 00:25:58.089 And so we felt like, let's do a nice thing. 625 00:25:58.589 --> 00:26:00.910 Like he wanted the top hat as part of the... 626 00:26:01.460 --> 00:26:04.240 But otherwise, it's mostly not a top hat day. And 627 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.259 I breathe a sigh of relief, which I feel shitty about. 628 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.750 What about his friends? 629 00:26:08.990 --> 00:26:11.410 Josh, why don't you just say, does your son have friends? Like, 630 00:26:11.450 --> 00:26:13.890 why don't you just ask it the way you want 631 00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:17.599 to ask it, buddy? Yes, he does. And what is 632 00:26:17.650 --> 00:26:20.039 really lovely is he's friends with the other. 633 00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:23.759 But what I mean is, are they just wearing T-shirt 634 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.440 and trousers? And do they go... there's that guy in 635 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:28.599 the top hat or does it like come up? 636 00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:30.240 So let me be real clear about the top hat. 637 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.940 The top hat appears twice a month. I'm giving it 638 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.000 to you as an anecdote because I want to entertain 639 00:26:36.019 --> 00:26:37.059 the masses. 640 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:37.880 But it's not. 641 00:26:38.009 --> 00:26:38.529 No, no, no. 642 00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:40.829 It's not the fixture. So he has this little group 643 00:26:40.869 --> 00:26:43.849 of friends. They're all the other nerds. 644 00:26:44.009 --> 00:26:44.430 Yeah, yeah. 645 00:26:44.690 --> 00:26:47.369 Which we're really comfortable with as a family because that's 646 00:26:47.410 --> 00:26:50.109 very much the identity that my husband and I grew 647 00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:50.470 up with. 648 00:26:50.789 --> 00:26:51.009 Yeah. 649 00:26:51.150 --> 00:26:55.150 But to your question, no. One of them is like, 650 00:26:55.740 --> 00:27:00.349 a great dresser. You know, he's just in like bright colors. 651 00:27:00.750 --> 00:27:03.970 The other couple are like very, very normal dressing, but 652 00:27:04.009 --> 00:27:05.769 all of them are like the nerdy boys who aren't 653 00:27:05.829 --> 00:27:07.369 into football. Yeah. 654 00:27:07.490 --> 00:27:10.390 Because eight year old boys into football, it's like a cult. 655 00:27:11.029 --> 00:27:14.039 It's the full kit, football at the weekends, football in 656 00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:16.279 the weeks. And it's like, it obsesses them. Like I 657 00:27:16.299 --> 00:27:18.380 was one of those kids growing up and you see 658 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.299 them at the school gates. They're just, and if you're 659 00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:23.240 not into football, it's impenetrable for a boy, you know, 660 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.279 like to get into that world. 661 00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:29.369 Well, my father is like a guy who maybe would 662 00:27:29.390 --> 00:27:32.960 watch

a U.S. Super Bowl, maybe. But otherwise, a sporting 663 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.319 event was never on in our house. I have wound 664 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:40.539 up married to someone who I would say feels antagonized 665 00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:44.559 by sport. Like my dad just didn't care. My husband 666 00:27:44.619 --> 00:27:48.940 feels it's like a personal attack on him. Whereas I 667 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.700 kind of feel like I'm not into it. And I 668 00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:55.900 really feel sad that I'm not into it because what 669 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.079 I have gleaned from most of the world who loves 670 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:01.779 sport is it gives you shape. That's what you want 671 00:28:01.819 --> 00:28:04.519 in your life. You want some shape. You want things 672 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.519 to look forward to. You want like marks in the calendar. 673 00:28:08.539 --> 00:28:10.480 And you don't have that when you're not into sport. 674 00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:12.700 So I do kind of wish my son was into it. 675 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:15.930 But like... Then he'll say like, why am I not 676 00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:19.509 into football? And I'm like, because dad and I don't 677 00:28:20.809 --> 00:28:24.619 care about it. But I don't think it's bad. I 678 00:28:24.650 --> 00:28:26.539 just don't care. 679 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.480 My dad didn't like football at all. It's probably same 680 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.289 way as your dad. He didn't get angry by it, 681 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.000 but just wouldn't watch it at all. Was never in 682 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:36.910 the house. My mum never really liked football, but us 683 00:28:36.950 --> 00:28:39.049 boys just got into football, were obsessed by football. And 684 00:28:39.069 --> 00:28:41.609 then my mum used to watch Soccer AM when we 685 00:28:41.650 --> 00:28:44.150 weren't even living there anymore because it reminded her of 686 00:28:44.170 --> 00:28:45.869 when all the boys were at home, that's what you 687 00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:48.119 put on on a Saturday. So it was like, yeah, 688 00:28:48.170 --> 00:28:49.980 my dad was never into it, but we all properly 689 00:28:50.019 --> 00:28:53.140 got into football. But South East London is obsessed with football. 690 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.539 I don't know, are you guys in London? 691 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.140 Yes, we're in North East. That's an interesting thing as well. 692 00:28:57.180 --> 00:29:02.769 It's like the way that the community raises you alongside 693 00:29:02.809 --> 00:29:04.109 your parents. You know? 694 00:29:04.170 --> 00:29:04.769 Yeah. 695 00:29:04.809 --> 00:29:05.309 Well, exactly. 696 00:29:05.349 --> 00:29:07.450 So if you're surrounded by it at school, that's all 697 00:29:07.490 --> 00:29:09.130 we did was play football. It was just like, and 698 00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:11.690 even in PE, they stopped doing rugby and cricket because 699 00:29:11.710 --> 00:29:13.380 everyone would just start kicking it. 700 00:29:13.390 --> 00:29:18.430 So you have no interest in those other sports. It 701 00:29:18.470 --> 00:29:19.730 was just football for you. 702 00:29:19.750 --> 00:29:23.140 Just football and boxing. Those two are my main ones. 703 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:24.880 But then I watch a bit of basketball and I'll 704 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.059 watch like the Olympics and stuff like that. But yeah, 705 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.220 cricket and rugby, nothing really. They were seen as posh sports. 706 00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:33.440 That ain't for us. That's for someone else. We have 707 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.049 football and boxing and maybe the Olympics when it's on, 708 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:36.549 but that's it. 709 00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:40.369 I've always felt like, if I may, a controversial... opinion, 710 00:29:40.410 --> 00:29:41.910 but I'm saying this to you so that you can 711 00:29:41.970 --> 00:29:43.430 explain to me what I'm getting wrong. 712 00:29:43.690 --> 00:29:44.160 Go for it. 713 00:29:44.470 --> 00:29:46.779 I feel like people who like boxing, and I understand 714 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.880 there's an art to it, whatever. I feel like because 715 00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:54.420 to me it just reads as watching people violently hurt 716 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.700 each other. Yeah. If you are able to actively watch 717 00:29:57.779 --> 00:30:01.690 boxing- you are the people who would have shown up 718 00:30:01.730 --> 00:30:02.589 to a public stoning. 719 00:30:02.609 --> 00:30:04.369 Yeah, I think I would have. 720 00:30:04.390 --> 00:30:07.279 There is something in you, Rob, where you're capable of 721 00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:12.079 watching extreme physical violence befall someone. And explain to me 722 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.359 how this is entertainment. I don't understand. 723 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.039 So I think it's entertainment. It's a working class sport 724 00:30:17.059 --> 00:30:19.720 because I think what it is is it's like if 725 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.630 you try hard enough and you put as much effort 726 00:30:22.730 --> 00:30:26.220 in and you're brave, you can escape your situation. And 727 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.269 it's the most sort of tangible way to get out 728 00:30:29.309 --> 00:30:32.470 of not having money. It's an escape from that background 729 00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:35.009 of no money and no opportunity. And being able to 730 00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:38.130 watch someone go and do that is inspiring. Cause he's like, Oh, 731 00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:40.789 they are not only are they taking a chance, like 732 00:30:40.930 --> 00:30:42.950 all by starting a business, they're like putting their like 733 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.500 life on the line to create something for himself, which 734 00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:49.400 I find quite inspiring. And it's a one man band 735 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.240 kind of thing. So I think that that's what it

is. But, 736 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:53.920 As well, I think, and this might be a bit 737 00:30:54.029 --> 00:30:55.609 too dark, maybe a bit too deep, maybe a bit 738 00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:59.589 too open. I think people from certain backgrounds that are 739 00:30:59.890 --> 00:31:02.170 maybe surrounded by violence or the threat of violence or 740 00:31:02.670 --> 00:31:05.829 of feeling a bit vulnerable, which is what people from 741 00:31:05.849 --> 00:31:08.509 those kind of low income or working class backgrounds are 742 00:31:08.549 --> 00:31:10.809 surrounded by. You sort of watch it going, oh, at 743 00:31:10.829 --> 00:31:14.630 least it ain't me. And that's a relief. 744 00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:19.750 So in other words, you're not weird because you like it. 745 00:31:20.390 --> 00:31:22.009 I'm a middle class bitch. 746 00:31:22.230 --> 00:31:26.640 No, no, no. I totally understand why people don't like it. 747 00:31:27.069 --> 00:31:29.670 But that's sort of what you think is what takes 748 00:31:29.690 --> 00:31:32.009 someone down the path of getting into it. 749 00:31:32.069 --> 00:31:34.049 And also it's kind of the thing where like a 750 00:31:34.069 --> 00:31:36.859 lot of the people in it are working class from 751 00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:37.359 those backgrounds. 752 00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:39.059 Do you ever get any middle class boxers? 753 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.819 Not really. It's all normally from tough backgrounds. And then 754 00:31:42.859 --> 00:31:45.559 what happens is all their friends and family support them 755 00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:49.069 and buy tickets. So- everyone sort of half knows a boxer. 756 00:31:49.089 --> 00:31:51.839 Like my uncle was a boxer. Everyone's got someone, either 757 00:31:51.859 --> 00:31:54.319 a cousin or a friend or someone that did boxing 758 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.480 and you'd go and watch them fight. And then it 759 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:57.759 might be a friend of a friend and you go, oh, 760 00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.460 I'll go with you to watch them. So it's sort 761 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.740 of like the same way as, you know, you might 762 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.619 have friends that have written a play and you'll go 763 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:04.400 and watch that play. 764 00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:08.720 Well, it's like when those boxers become, they're real folk, 765 00:32:08.859 --> 00:32:11.619 I mean, it's a weird phrasing, but they're folk heroes 766 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:16.329 of the place they're from. They really represent their community. Like, 767 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:18.160 Barry McGuigan when he was. 768 00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:18.970 Like Ricky Hatton. 769 00:32:19.130 --> 00:32:20.589 Yeah, Ricky Hatton from Manchester. 770 00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:22.430 He was Manchester, but he was in a small town 771 00:32:22.450 --> 00:32:25.269 near Hyde, I think it is. He was going to 772 00:32:25.430 --> 00:32:28.490 Vegas to fight Floyd Mayweather. But it's a

bit like 773 00:32:28.529 --> 00:32:30.970 what Oasis did for those kind of people. It's like, oh, 774 00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:32.690 you can be this, but be mega. 775 00:32:32.930 --> 00:32:33.230 Yeah. 776 00:32:33.630 --> 00:32:35.190 You know, I'm sure a lot of these boxers would 777 00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:37.309 quite like to start their own business and become super 778 00:32:37.329 --> 00:32:40.549 successful entrepreneurs, but that's not really going to happen because 779 00:32:40.630 --> 00:32:43.289 it's too much stuff going on. But if you're stood 780 00:32:43.309 --> 00:32:45.329 in a ring, there's only one bloke in front of you, 781 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.200 that is a much easier and tangible way to be 782 00:32:49.220 --> 00:32:51.140 a success, which is why I think a lot of 783 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:53.119 comedy is quite good for that because it doesn't matter 784 00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:54.740 where you're from. If you get laughs, you get laughs. 785 00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:57.240 If you don't, you don't. Whereas other stuff's harder to 786 00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:57.400 get in. 787 00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.539 And that one man band quality to it as well. 788 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.460 Yeah, because you can't just imagine like, Joe, I'm going 789 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:07.839 to start a bank. All right. Actually, it's easier to 790 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.480 fight that bloke and keep beating people. I think sport 791 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.759 is a weird thing and especially football as well. That 792 00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:15.119 becomes quite tribal and stuff, but. But if you're not 793 00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:16.539 into it, you're not into it, I think. But then 794 00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:18.619 Tom Allen grew up in a very similar background and 795 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.809 area as me. His dad was a coach driver and all, 796 00:33:21.890 --> 00:33:24.869 you know, his brother sounds like me, dresses like me 797 00:33:24.910 --> 00:33:26.890 and walks and talks like me. But Tom's just his 798 00:33:26.990 --> 00:33:29.769 own entity. And it's amazing. I've got my mate up 799 00:33:29.829 --> 00:33:32.049 in Yorkshire as well. His son sounds a lot like 800 00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:35.059 your son. He wears a lot of flat caps and dresses. 801 00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:35.799 Oh, yeah. 802 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.819 And he wears like sort of old trousers and stuff 803 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.680 like that and old suit jackets. And he keeps drawing 804 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.960 pubs and creating little old sort of stout beers and 805 00:33:44.380 --> 00:33:47.440 He's obsessed with it and he's like been reading Tom 806 00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:50.700 Allen's book to him because again, he's like from a 807 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.150 like place in Yorkshire where everyone's like very like geezery 808 00:33:54.190 --> 00:33:55.930 and into sport and stuff like that. So I think 809 00:33:56.029 --> 00:33:58.250 you

do get those sort of eccentrics from all walks 810 00:33:58.309 --> 00:33:58.569 of life. 811 00:33:58.910 --> 00:33:59.269 Yeah. 812 00:33:59.470 --> 00:34:02.170 It's really interesting, isn't it? Like I can remember when 813 00:34:02.210 --> 00:34:04.529 my son was born, you know, like a teeny tiny 814 00:34:04.589 --> 00:34:06.650 baby and like one morning and we're both sort of 815 00:34:06.690 --> 00:34:09.010 like looking at him on the changing table and whatever. 816 00:34:09.110 --> 00:34:12.420 And I remember my husband being like, who is he though? Yeah. 817 00:34:12.739 --> 00:34:17.690 Like who... who is he? And now he's like, I'm like, 818 00:34:18.110 --> 00:34:21.829 that's who he is. Who he is. I don't know 819 00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:23.110 if you guys have had this with your kids, but 820 00:34:23.590 --> 00:34:28.360 I already feel like, and I felt this way about 821 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.920 him for a while. Like it's just clear. It is 822 00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:33.320 already clear to me who the 20 year old will be. 823 00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:36.170 Yes. Well, write it in an envelope, seal it. 824 00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:38.139 And see what happens. 825 00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:41.159 I open it on his 18th birthday. What do you 826 00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:41.719 think he's going to be? 827 00:34:41.739 --> 00:34:48.389 Here's what I predicted. You've disappointed me. But I'd be 828 00:34:48.429 --> 00:34:51.949 surprised if at 18 he was like, a lad. I mean, maybe. 829 00:34:52.110 --> 00:34:52.710 Who knows? 830 00:34:52.730 --> 00:34:55.030 So you and your husband are very sort of creative 831 00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:58.250 and eccentric people, really, aren't you? if you compare yourself 832 00:34:58.269 --> 00:35:00.090 to most people in the country. So there'll be a 833 00:35:00.090 --> 00:35:01.690 bit of that. That's what, you know, you guys made it. 834 00:35:01.710 --> 00:35:04.869 Yeah, I guess I really, like, if there is a 835 00:35:05.130 --> 00:35:06.889 wish I have for my son, and I don't know 836 00:35:06.909 --> 00:35:09.650 what your thoughts are on this yourselves for your children, 837 00:35:09.730 --> 00:35:12.590 but like, if I have a wish for my child, 838 00:35:12.650 --> 00:35:14.590 these are my rules for him, right? In terms of, 839 00:35:14.590 --> 00:35:16.250 because he'll be like, mom, am I allowed to do this? 840 00:35:16.429 --> 00:35:17.590 Can I do this? I'm going to go, this will 841 00:35:17.610 --> 00:35:18.889 be my hobby. This will be my job. This will 842 00:35:18.909 --> 00:35:20.889 be my hobby. This will be my job. And my 843 00:35:20.949 --> 00:35:24.300 thing is, rules are, you can't take your body too 844 00:35:24.389 --> 00:35:27.440 high up Like so no outer space exploration. 845 00:35:27.460 --> 00:35:28.739 Where are you drawing the line? 846 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.789 I would almost say not allowed to be a pilot. 847 00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:34.030 I would almost say even though like plane crashes are done, 848 00:35:34.409 --> 00:35:35.650 but I'm like nothing. 849 00:35:35.690 --> 00:35:36.489 Bungee jumper? 850 00:35:37.090 --> 00:35:39.190 No, you don't leave the earth. 851 00:35:39.210 --> 00:35:39.809 Scaffolder? 852 00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:41.889 No. 853 00:35:42.219 --> 00:35:42.880 Nothing high up. 854 00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:47.539 Nothing high up. Nothing deep down. We're not going down. 855 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.300 And also, third rule, no agent. You're not allowed to 856 00:35:52.340 --> 00:35:55.019 have a job that requires you to have an agent. 857 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:56.280 That's the other thing. 858 00:35:56.929 --> 00:35:59.969 So no showbiz. I just feel like, and I find 859 00:35:59.989 --> 00:36:03.889 it very interesting with very successful people, because you have 860 00:36:03.929 --> 00:36:09.510 had one experience where of what pursuing a passion is about, right? 861 00:36:09.590 --> 00:36:13.460 So you can't shake out of your body the idea 862 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.800 that you can have a dream and you can chase 863 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.070 that dream and that can happen. And then your child 864 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.610 is growing up being like, no, no, I can chase 865 00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:24.929 a dream and it can happen. And to be like, 866 00:36:25.550 --> 00:36:28.489 maybe not the way that daddy did it. And I 867 00:36:28.550 --> 00:36:31.909 just feel like my wish for him is that he 868 00:36:31.989 --> 00:36:37.309 has A nine to five job, like a regular fucking job. 869 00:36:37.929 --> 00:36:39.510 You know, and my husband will be like, I think 870 00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:42.269 I could get us like he knows Davina. We know 871 00:36:42.309 --> 00:36:44.010 Davina McCall's hairdresser. 872 00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:46.630 Sure. 873 00:36:47.010 --> 00:36:49.889 And so my husband was like, we could get tickets 874 00:36:50.389 --> 00:36:53.510 to go see Masked Singer. And I was like, over 875 00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:55.599 my dead fucking body is that child allowed in a 876 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.599 studio like that. He's going to get ideas in his head. 877 00:36:57.860 --> 00:36:59.619 And the next thing I know. He's going to be thinking, 878 00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:02.809 and then we're going to be supporting him until he's 40. 879 00:37:02.809 --> 00:37:04.420 I just, it's not even about, it's just like. 880 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:05.760 Yeah, but does he like the Masked Singer? 881 00:37:07.170 --> 00:37:07.480 Loves it. 882 00:37:07.510 --> 00:37:08.510 Just take him. 883 00:37:08.530 --> 00:37:10.130 Take him to the Masked Singer. 884 00:37:10.230 --> 00:37:13.530 You guys, I just don't want him to feel that 885 00:37:13.570 --> 00:37:17.679 these jobs are viable. I just don't want him. 886 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.099 Take him to when Alex Brooker's being revealed and you'll go, look, 887 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:23.659 you can't do this unless you've only

got one leg. 888 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.519 And by the way, guess who he's reading for? Alex Brooker. 889 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.320 So can you imagine? 890 00:37:28.340 --> 00:37:29.860 I love the way we're just referring to his Alex 891 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.800 Brooker now, not Bigfoot as well. It's so obvious. 892 00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:35.099 What a show, what a format. 893 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.960 Oh, it's so good. Why do you think that everyone's 894 00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:38.800 so sure it's Alex Brooker? 895 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.679 You tell me, Josh. I'm not answering that question. You 896 00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:42.059 tell me. 897 00:37:42.099 --> 00:37:42.929 But he's denied it. 898 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:49.320 But he's under contract to deny it. He legally cannot 899 00:37:49.380 --> 00:37:53.300 confirm it. What I love is like when it just 900 00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:55.679 everyone knows it somewhat and we all have to sort 901 00:37:55.699 --> 00:37:58.340 of like do this little show. What a fantastic piece 902 00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:58.519 of TV. 903 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.179 Do you know Joel? Joel could sort you out for tickets. 904 00:38:01.699 --> 00:38:04.239 She's already got an in with McCall's hairdresser. She's fine 905 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:05.909 for tickets. You've not got the will to. 906 00:38:05.909 --> 00:38:07.909 Can I just say, if they do sort tickets, can 907 00:38:07.929 --> 00:38:11.710 I just say, as an aside, if they do sort tickets, 908 00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:17.429 you are exactly the person I end up getting caught 909 00:38:17.469 --> 00:38:19.949 with in the green room where I'm like, I go 910 00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:22.550 for a drink after the last leg and I go, oh, 911 00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:26.409 so how come you're here? And they go, I know 912 00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:29.289 Adam's hairdresser. And I think, I don't think you should 913 00:38:29.309 --> 00:38:32.519 be here, mate. That's too big a jump for you 914 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.000 to be in the green room talking to me at 915 00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:34.519 this moment. 916 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.239 You're so starry, Josh. I'm just trying to read from 917 00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:39.219 my book to one of the producers, actually, if you 918 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:39.710 give me a minute. 919 00:38:40.369 --> 00:38:44.869 Look, Rob, come on. I know Davina McCall's hairdresser. Before 920 00:38:44.909 --> 00:38:47.030 you know it, you're getting your son having a photo 921 00:38:47.050 --> 00:38:47.750 with Mo Gilligan. 922 00:38:47.869 --> 00:38:50.250 He wants to go home. They do make you leave, though, 923 00:38:50.289 --> 00:38:52.349 before the unveiling. That's the problem with the mask. 924 00:38:52.389 --> 00:38:52.849 Do they? 925 00:38:52.989 --> 00:38:54.989 Yeah, because everyone would know it was Alex Brooker then, 926 00:38:55.010 --> 00:38:57.480 wouldn't they? They'd all tell everyone. It would ruin the surprise. 927 00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:59.900 Yeah, I presume they'd all had to be NDA'd up. 928 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:00.219 No. 929 00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:02.360 So that reveal is done in an empty room. 930 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:02.860 Yeah. 931 00:39:03.340 --> 00:39:05.639 So in Tiffany's song, I think, well, I'm alone now. 932 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.639 She's doing it empty. 933 00:39:06.860 --> 00:39:08.139 Just to Jonathan Ross. 934 00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:11.480 Just to Jonathan Ross and Mo Gilligan, Davina McCormick, Rora. 935 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:16.280 Sometimes Peter Crouch. But Sarah, going back to that. So 936 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.949 he's really into it, would love to see it. You 937 00:39:18.989 --> 00:39:20.510 would really not want him to be in that sort 938 00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:22.190 of world, even though it feels like that's the kind 939 00:39:22.230 --> 00:39:23.889 of thing. He's going to end up doing something like 940 00:39:23.929 --> 00:39:25.789 that that's quite expressive and creative. 941 00:39:26.329 --> 00:39:28.579 I hope not, man. I really hope he doesn't do 942 00:39:28.619 --> 00:39:30.329 anything expressive and creative. 943 00:39:31.429 --> 00:39:33.710 He's doing it already. He's wearing our top hat twice 944 00:39:33.769 --> 00:39:34.130 a month. 945 00:39:34.650 --> 00:39:35.429 I know. 946 00:39:35.710 --> 00:39:37.619 So what is it, though? Drilling down, what is it 947 00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:39.739 that worries you about that? Is it that there's not 948 00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:40.940 financial security? 949 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.300 Is it your own things that have happened to you? 950 00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:45.500 I mean, I'm trying to think about how to talk 951 00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:47.119 about this. Well, I mean, you know, maybe it can 952 00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:48.739 feel depressing. Maybe it's fine to feel depressing. 953 00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.989 It's fine. This is after your podcast is feeling depressing. 954 00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:54.710 So my grandmother's dying words to me. 955 00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:56.800 Okay, here we go. Maybe not this depressing. 956 00:39:57.099 --> 00:39:59.130 She was 99 and I didn't like her. I was 957 00:39:59.210 --> 00:40:01.090 so happy when my grandmother died. Let me be clear 958 00:40:01.110 --> 00:40:03.530 about that. RIP to anyone's grandma who loved them. But 959 00:40:03.550 --> 00:40:05.929 when people's grandparents die in their 80s or 90s and 960 00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:07.949 they're upset, I'm like, pull it the fuck together. 961 00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:08.269 Come on. 962 00:40:08.889 --> 00:40:10.679 Their time has come. Like, just move on now. 963 00:40:11.099 --> 00:40:12.590 Anyway. You don't say that in the eulogy though, do you? 964 00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:15.309 We didn't have a eulogy. She was so old and 965 00:40:15.329 --> 00:40:17.170 she was so not beloved, Rob. It was like, there 966 00:40:17.190 --> 00:40:18.849

was no eulogy. It was just like, get her in 967 00:40:18.869 --> 00:40:20.329 the ground, call it a day. 968 00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:22.389 Yeah, you don't even have to bury them. They're so 969 00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:25.030 old and frail, they just float off. Yeah, exactly. So 970 00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:27.409 go on, Sarah, your nine words. 971 00:40:27.769 --> 00:40:30.909 Her nine words were like something like, you just kind 972 00:40:30.949 --> 00:40:36.440 of try different things. And I was like, that's true. Like, 973 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.639 in other words, her assessment of my life at the 974 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.710 age of 40. I'm now 44. Yeah. was like that 975 00:40:41.730 --> 00:40:43.730 I had sort of spent from 20 to 40. 976 00:40:43.730 --> 00:40:47.670 Trying to find something that works for you. 977 00:40:47.849 --> 00:40:55.690 Yeah. And that is brutal. And I'm not sure it's wrong. 978 00:40:56.369 --> 00:41:00.260 Like I started stand up at 35. Like I'd always wanted, 979 00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.199 it was like the thing I'd wanted to do when 980 00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:06.010 I was 22. Yeah. And I tried it and I 981 00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:08.639 wasn't good and it would give me such horrible anxiety. 982 00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:11.539 And then when I was 35, I'd moved here and 983 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:14.820 my husband was very encouraging and then like something really 984 00:41:14.860 --> 00:41:19.530 clicked at 35. But I just feel like, and I 985 00:41:19.570 --> 00:41:21.829 don't know if this is true for you guys or not, 986 00:41:21.849 --> 00:41:26.070 but comedians really, what do we do? We are drawn 987 00:41:26.110 --> 00:41:27.909 to each other, I think, right? So I know so 988 00:41:27.969 --> 00:41:31.320 many standups where all of their closest friends are also standups. 989 00:41:32.059 --> 00:41:34.699 And I've always felt like I've had a foot in 990 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.429 both worlds. So I have some close friends who are 991 00:41:36.449 --> 00:41:39.250 stand-ups and I'm with stand-ups all the time because that's 992 00:41:39.269 --> 00:41:41.389 who you see at your gigs. But my best friends 993 00:41:41.409 --> 00:41:46.250 have always been teachers. And I really know a lot 994 00:41:46.269 --> 00:41:49.809 of people who kind of wanted to maybe do something 995 00:41:49.849 --> 00:41:52.010 creative and they called it at a certain age. They 996 00:41:52.030 --> 00:41:54.429 were like, this is not going to happen. And they got, 997 00:41:54.530 --> 00:41:58.989 quote unquote, a real job. And then I know... people 998 00:41:59.070 --> 00:42:03.710 who have like succeeded fabulously in their creative profession. And 999 00:42:03.750 --> 00:42:07.590 I know people who are sort of like chugging along 1000 00:42:07.670 --> 00:42:12.429 without kind of having had a break yet and wondering 1001 00:42:12.570 --> 00:42:14.559 what it's going to look like. Like, am I going 1002 00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:18.400 to be 50 and still like doing, I just think 1003 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:22.579 I've seen all the different ways of doing it. And 1004 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.840 I think it's a really, really hard thing to, to 1005 00:42:29.019 --> 00:42:32.590 want to do a creative job. And I think when 1006 00:42:32.619 --> 00:42:37.150 it comes from something that's just within you, that's one thing. 1007 00:42:37.210 --> 00:42:39.489 But when it comes from like, well, you saw your 1008 00:42:39.510 --> 00:42:41.969 parents do it, so maybe it's a viable option. That's 1009 00:42:41.989 --> 00:42:43.170 like a slightly different. 1010 00:42:43.389 --> 00:42:45.750 I think anything with freelance, whether it is creative or 1011 00:42:45.789 --> 00:42:48.190 even just if you're a plumber, the pressure's on. You 1012 00:42:48.210 --> 00:42:50.469 don't never know what's going to happen. There's no security, really, 1013 00:42:50.489 --> 00:42:52.320 of a job. But you feel like if you and 1014 00:42:52.340 --> 00:42:54.219 your husband are doing this, where you're jumping between different 1015 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.860 creative projects, your son will think, oh, that's a viable option. 1016 00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.789 But you don't think it's an enjoyable option. 1017 00:43:00.610 --> 00:43:03.840 But there's another side of it which is you can 1018 00:43:03.949 --> 00:43:08.760 see the brutal experience of it because you've lived it 1019 00:43:08.980 --> 00:43:14.320 and obviously everything feels easier from the outside and i 1020 00:43:14.420 --> 00:43:17.570 used to when i was really stressed about my job 1021 00:43:17.610 --> 00:43:21.130 and stuff i'd always think maybe i'll just fuck off 1022 00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:23.550 and i'll open a shop in a village or something 1023 00:43:24.230 --> 00:43:26.739 it would always be I'll open a shop. That's what 1024 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:30.360 I'd always think. And then I speak to people I 1025 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.900 know that own shops and they're fucking stressed, man. They're 1026 00:43:34.940 --> 00:43:37.980 always going on about the rent or how Christmas wasn't 1027 00:43:38.019 --> 00:43:40.860 as good as last time or another shop's moved to 1028 00:43:40.900 --> 00:43:44.079 the area that sells the same stuff. Or I know 1029 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:48.130 people that work in big companies and they're worried about. 1030 00:43:48.150 --> 00:43:49.050 About redundancies. 1031 00:43:49.110 --> 00:43:54.409 Redundancies. And so, like, we can see all this fucking... 1032 00:43:54.730 --> 00:43:57.989 difficulty in our job the other one i'd always think 1033 00:43:58.030 --> 00:44:00.250 about and this is really prevalent to you because of 1034 00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:04.300 what your husband does is i'd often think maybe i'll 1035 00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:09.880 just get a job doing drive time on magic fm 1036 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.000 and i'd really enjoy that and then you speak to

1037 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.780 people that work at commercial radio stations. And they're like, 1038 00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:18.920 a new controller's come in. What if I lose my job? 1039 00:44:19.300 --> 00:44:21.440 Oh my God, I'm only on a year to year contract. 1040 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.320 And you know what I will say about that as well? Like, 1041 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.260 cause that is what he did for a long time 1042 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:31.420 before a pivot. You know, like as standups, we can 1043 00:44:32.019 --> 00:44:35.559 always find a place to peddle our wares. 1044 00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:37.739 Totally. You're not reliant on other people. 1045 00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:40.739 And here's this grim sort of positive that I'm going 1046 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:42.110 to take from this. Because I think what I'm saying 1047 00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:44.880 is like, I don't know. I just, I think I'm 1048 00:44:45.260 --> 00:44:49.760 really childlike in as much as I just want to 1049 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.500 believe that your job can bring you joy. 1050 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.260 Yeah. 1051 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.530 I really want to think that that's true. 1052 00:44:57.550 --> 00:44:59.670 You've got to give up on that, Sarah. You've got 1053 00:44:59.690 --> 00:45:00.389 to give up on that. 1054 00:45:00.889 --> 00:45:02.010 I do, though, don't I? 1055 00:45:02.869 --> 00:45:04.929 There's not a magic job out there that everyone loves 1056 00:45:05.070 --> 00:45:06.949 every second. Look at a footballer. Everyone wants to be 1057 00:45:06.969 --> 00:45:09.650 a footballer. Marcus Rashford's on the piss in Belfast. He's 1058 00:45:09.670 --> 00:45:11.309 supposed to be training. Do you know what I mean? 1059 00:45:11.429 --> 00:45:14.889 You're a footballer and... A new manager comes in and 1060 00:45:14.969 --> 00:45:18.380 suddenly you're inexplicably dropped from the first team. 1061 00:45:18.409 --> 00:45:19.179 Or you get an injury. 1062 00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:23.219 Yeah, you get an injury. And suddenly you're Brian Clough, 1063 00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:26.519 who was the best striker in Britain. And he fucked 1064 00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:29.099 his knee up at 28 and it was all over. Admittedly, 1065 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.219 he won a lot of European Cups as an alcoholic. But, 1066 00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:33.360 you know, there's wins and losses. But yeah. 1067 00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:38.880 I remember very clearly right before the pandemic hit. So 1068 00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:41.840 my son at that point was like two or three, 1069 00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:45.909 something like that. And I'm never around for bedtimes because 1070 00:45:45.929 --> 00:45:49.570 I would always be out. And your friend, Ramesh Ranganathan, 1071 00:45:50.110 --> 00:45:51.380 it was when he was doing that column in the 1072 00:45:51.409 --> 00:45:53.059 back of The Guardian. He'd written something. 1073 00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:55.119 One of his jobs. Yeah. 1074 00:45:55.579 --> 00:46:00.219 He needs another 500 words to bang out. Another quid 1075 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:00.760 at the end of it. 1076 00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.300 I didn't want to say it, but as the close friend, 1077 00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:04.820 you can say it. But you can make fun. But 1078 00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:08.050 he wrote this thing that really fucking wedged in there. 1079 00:46:08.670 --> 00:46:11.510 It's something about this idea that, like, By the time 1080 00:46:11.550 --> 00:46:14.630 your child reaches the age of 10, you will have 1081 00:46:14.769 --> 00:46:18.030 spent 90% of the time that you will spend with 1082 00:46:18.070 --> 00:46:19.210 them across their lifetime. 1083 00:46:19.409 --> 00:46:20.489 Unless you're doing weakest link. 1084 00:46:20.949 --> 00:46:26.889 Was he speaking as Ramesh or as a normal parent? No, 1085 00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:27.190 he's true. 1086 00:46:27.250 --> 00:46:27.769 I've seen that. 1087 00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:31.050 It almost seems like someone gave me these facts just 1088 00:46:31.110 --> 00:46:33.409 to give you guys the opportunity to roast your friend. 1089 00:46:36.070 --> 00:46:38.190 So when they're 10, you've spent 90% of the time 1090 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.360 That's fucking weird and scary. 1091 00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:44.219 Exactly. I mean, I've got a lot of these very 1092 00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:46.019 depressing facts I can pull out of my back pocket. 1093 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:46.719 That's amazing. 1094 00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:49.119 And again, I'm not sure that's exactly what it was, 1095 00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:51.949 but it was in that family of whatever. And I 1096 00:46:51.989 --> 00:46:53.449 was doing tour support. I was in the backseat. I 1097 00:46:53.449 --> 00:46:56.090 was like, I'm going to cry. I'm going to like, 1098 00:46:56.130 --> 00:46:57.989 I was like, I'm going to start crying. That's so sad. 1099 00:46:58.010 --> 00:46:59.429 It was your new way to work as well. 1100 00:46:59.530 --> 00:47:01.469 I think it was doing tour support for Nish or something. 1101 00:47:01.489 --> 00:47:03.989 And they're talking about whatever like depressing political thing he's 1102 00:47:04.030 --> 00:47:06.630 talking about. And I'm like trying to suppress tears in 1103 00:47:06.650 --> 00:47:12.210 the backseat having read this fact. Then the pandemic hit 1104 00:47:12.789 --> 00:47:17.090 and I was like around for every fucking bedtime. And 1105 00:47:17.110 --> 00:47:19.849 I wanted to put a bullet through my brain. And 1106 00:47:19.909 --> 00:47:23.010 I thought like, I'm not being particularly articulate, but I 1107 00:47:23.030 --> 00:47:24.409 guess what I'm trying to say is I would look 1108 00:47:24.449 --> 00:47:27.349 at someone whose career as a standup is at a 1109 00:47:27.489 --> 00:47:30.860 certain level and think like, God, that's, I swear to God, 1110 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:32.840 I swear to God, I swear to God,

all I 1111 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:34.900 would need to be happy. I really believe this. All 1112 00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:36.949 I need to be happy is is to reach this 1113 00:47:37.130 --> 00:47:39.869 level as a comic where I could make this amount 1114 00:47:39.889 --> 00:47:41.590 of money and tour to this size of an audience, 1115 00:47:41.630 --> 00:47:43.150 and then I will really be happy. And then I 1116 00:47:43.170 --> 00:47:46.110 will really be happy. And it's like, nah, because there 1117 00:47:46.150 --> 00:47:48.929 is just always some kind of trade. Like you're working 1118 00:47:48.949 --> 00:47:50.429 at this level, but then you're going to be missing 1119 00:47:50.449 --> 00:47:52.280 this thing. Well, you're working at this level, but then 1120 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.179 you have financial instability. And we're all just miserable in 1121 00:47:56.739 --> 00:48:00.360 all of our jobs. And that's what I would want 1122 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.679 to say to anyone is like, everyone is unhappy with 1123 00:48:03.699 --> 00:48:07.119 what they've been given. Everyone. And there is freedom in that. 1124 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.239 So for your son, he might as well be unhappy 1125 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.059 being creative than unhappy doing finance. 1126 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:16.789 I'm not joking. I feel that this conversation has made 1127 00:48:16.829 --> 00:48:20.230 me understand that he will be unsatisfied no matter what 1128 00:48:20.289 --> 00:48:20.789 he does. 1129 00:48:20.869 --> 00:48:21.269 Exactly. 1130 00:48:21.329 --> 00:48:23.030 And I need to lean into that. I just need 1131 00:48:23.050 --> 00:48:23.860 to lean into it. 1132 00:48:23.889 --> 00:48:26.860 But as a parent, you want them to have zero problems, 1133 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:31.780 be happy, have friends, earn money, express themselves, be creative. 1134 00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:34.090 It ain't going to happen. And also, more importantly, it's 1135 00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:36.860 not your responsibility. They're going to be adults and it's 1136 00:48:36.909 --> 00:48:39.500 on them. There's nothing you can do to do that. 1137 00:48:39.780 --> 00:48:42.059 And as they grow up and they're having arguments at school, 1138 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:43.739 this is what the pain is of being a parent. 1139 00:48:44.019 --> 00:48:45.719 You can't go in and have that argument with a 1140 00:48:45.739 --> 00:48:47.599 school kid. You've just got to help them through it 1141 00:48:48.019 --> 00:48:49.840 and then trust that they go and do it because 1142 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.769 it's their life that they're leading. And that's the hardest bit. 1143 00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:58.130 So it's like, life is suffering, but it's accepting that 1144 00:48:58.269 --> 00:48:59.690 and realising you're not going to be happy all the time. 1145 00:48:59.730 --> 00:49:02.599 But also, it's not your responsibility. At that point. 1146 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.820 And Rob,

I've been leading into happiness podcasts in 2024. 1147 00:49:06.820 --> 00:49:10.079 I'm like listening to some happiness podcasts. And we have 1148 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:15.809 an obsession, you guys, with finding meaning in suffering. And 1149 00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:19.849 sometimes you have to accept that it is just the suffering. 1150 00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:22.519 that is how i am heading into 2024 okay that 1151 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:29.829 it is meaningless suffering and we make peace with it 1152 00:49:30.309 --> 00:49:33.559 and no one else is that happy No. 1153 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.659 But there'll be moments of happiness, moments of being quite content, 1154 00:49:36.699 --> 00:49:38.519 moments of being grief stricken. 1155 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.480 Do you know, I was thinking this about my neck. 1156 00:49:44.650 --> 00:49:45.530 Yeah. 1157 00:49:45.550 --> 00:49:47.670 Let's talk about your neck for a minute. Sarah was 1158 00:49:47.690 --> 00:49:49.210 just about to make a big point, I thought, about 1159 00:49:49.269 --> 00:49:49.789 all the podcasts. 1160 00:49:49.809 --> 00:49:51.130 No, no, I want to hear about this neck. 1161 00:49:51.170 --> 00:49:53.570 Sarah, come back around to this after his neck. Oh, sorry. 1162 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:54.559 Come on. 1163 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.739 Listen, you just turned 40 or you're 40 now, right, Josh? Yeah, yeah. 1164 00:49:58.059 --> 00:50:00.119 I lean in and Rob, this shit is coming for you. 1165 00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:01.840 So tell the next story because. 1166 00:50:01.699 --> 00:50:03.659 This is important. I've had a bad neck for six 1167 00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.400 months and it's got incrementally better. 1168 00:50:05.420 --> 00:50:06.340 You've had it for four years. 1169 00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:07.900 Yeah, no, yeah, but it's been on and off, but 1170 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.420 I haven't been able to shift it for six months, 1171 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.900 but it's got incrementally better. Look at that, right? I 1172 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.780 couldn't do that, but it's still one of the bits 1173 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:16.159 he's lost. 1174 00:50:16.179 --> 00:50:17.659 He just looked up and down and. 1175 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.760 To the side. He's showing us his neck mobility. 1176 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:21.250 Wow. 1177 00:50:21.289 --> 00:50:21.849 Show us again. 1178 00:50:21.889 --> 00:50:22.309 What was that? 1179 00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:23.349 Fucking hell. 1180 00:50:23.369 --> 00:50:25.449 Show us your big thing. Show us your big... Look 1181 00:50:25.570 --> 00:50:29.030 at that big boy. Look at that big boy. 1182 00:50:29.090 --> 00:50:31.030 You're going to be playing wind the bobbin up all day. 1183 00:50:31.929 --> 00:50:34.460 Sealing to the floor, window to the door. 1184 00:50:34.539 --> 00:50:36.300 But that's a problem, right? 1185 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.500 Okay, so when you've got to look judgmental at someone. 1186 00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:42.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, it's almost better. And I 1187 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.119 found myself walking on the street thinking, I've dealt with 1188 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.869 my anxiety. I've got on top of that. I've got 1189 00:50:48.889 --> 00:50:51.610 on top of my drinking. I've got on top of this. 1190 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.079 as soon as I've got my neck done, then I 1191 00:50:54.099 --> 00:50:58.360 can be happy. And I thought that is insanity right there. 1192 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.349 And I just caught myself and I was like, you 1193 00:51:01.409 --> 00:51:05.210 can't be waiting for this moment when everything falls into 1194 00:51:05.250 --> 00:51:08.090 place because there's always going to be something that's an issue. 1195 00:51:08.130 --> 00:51:10.329 And I was just looking at people going, all these 1196 00:51:10.369 --> 00:51:13.730 people walking around me here in Victoria Park, which is 1197 00:51:13.750 --> 00:51:15.690 a nice place. A lot of them should be happy. 1198 00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:19.090 They're all going to have a relative that's ill or 1199 00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:23.679 a worry about financial security. or a lump on their 1200 00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:28.059 testicle they're worried about, or whatever. Weird option. Number three, 1201 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:28.460 I panic. 1202 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.360 Just could have said a lump. 1203 00:51:29.539 --> 00:51:31.340 I could have just said a lump. I could have 1204 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:31.619 just said. 1205 00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:35.099 The comic mind wants specificity and wants to paint a 1206 00:51:35.099 --> 00:51:36.000 picture for his audience. 1207 00:51:36.019 --> 00:51:36.659 That's genuinely true. 1208 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.320 That's why I said testicle. Listen, this is the point 1209 00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:41.199 that we are in. I mean, this is a very 1210 00:51:41.260 --> 00:51:42.699 personal question for both of you. 1211 00:51:42.860 --> 00:51:44.139 I haven't got a lump on my testicle. 1212 00:51:44.179 --> 00:51:46.179 No lumps. And Rob, lump on the testicle? 1213 00:51:46.380 --> 00:51:48.159 Not checked for a couple of weeks. Could check now, 1214 00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:49.969 but should I just say, assume it's fine? 1215 00:51:49.989 --> 00:51:50.659 Get back in there. 1216 00:51:50.739 --> 00:51:51.239 Yeah, yeah. 1217 00:51:52.219 --> 00:51:58.409 Are you gentlemen and your wives, are you done having kids? 1218 00:51:58.469 --> 00:51:59.050 Yes. Yeah. 1219 00:51:59.690 --> 00:52:02.090 I think this thing happens to people when it's like 1220 00:52:02.150 --> 00:52:06.949 they know they're done. And it's like, here's the truth, guys. 1221 00:52:07.340 --> 00:52:10.420 The good shit now is over. Because there are all 1222 00:52:10.460 --> 00:52:12.539 these questions that we get to have in our 20s 1223 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.280 and maybe your 30s. Like, will I have a kid? 1224

00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:17.420 Will I have another kid? Who's my partner going to be? 1225 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.869 What professional high am I going to get? We know 1226 00:52:20.949 --> 00:52:25.349 the answers to the questions now. And now the shit 1227 00:52:25.389 --> 00:52:28.610 that you wonder about is like, when will my parents die? 1228 00:52:28.949 --> 00:52:31.469 Like that's I'm not kidding. Like that is what steps 1229 00:52:31.730 --> 00:52:36.090 in as the replacement question. And now as middle aged people, 1230 00:52:36.230 --> 00:52:38.369 I know you're not quite there yet, Rob. But it's 1231 00:52:38.409 --> 00:52:42.059 like now your attempt at happiness isn't like imagining life. 1232 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:44.110 the next baby or whatever. 1233 00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:44.389 Fuck. 1234 00:52:44.670 --> 00:52:48.269 It's like, you look for a nice tree. You're like, 1235 00:52:48.409 --> 00:52:50.829 I'm walking. You know what? That's a nice tree. 1236 00:52:50.849 --> 00:52:52.289 I'm going to be. 1237 00:52:52.289 --> 00:52:56.190 Present in observing the beauty in the tree. And that's 1238 00:52:56.730 --> 00:53:01.860 all we have from now till death. Don't you think 1239 00:53:01.900 --> 00:53:03.960 it now it has to be about the small moments. 1240 00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:06.599 And sometimes when people keep having kids and keep having 1241 00:53:06.619 --> 00:53:09.119 kids and keep having kids, I'm like, Oh, you can't 1242 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.579 now just look at a tree. Like it's time for you. 1243 00:53:12.170 --> 00:53:14.550 You had three. You're done. Look at a nice tree. 1244 00:53:14.949 --> 00:53:17.679 But they can't. They need to keep pushing the narrative forward. 1245 00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:20.860 So they're like, another kid, another kid. It's like, settle in. Yeah. 1246 00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:22.280 Settle in and settle down. Oh, dear. 1247 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.880 Oh, my God. This has been one of my favorite. 1248 00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:25.340 It's been great. 1249 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:27.590 It's been our deepest. We haven't talked about your podcast. 1250 00:53:27.929 --> 00:53:28.610 They like to watch. 1251 00:53:28.630 --> 00:53:29.710 We've got to plug the pod, you guys. 1252 00:53:29.789 --> 00:53:30.510 I need some help. 1253 00:53:30.530 --> 00:53:33.690 We need to plug. Can we plug this pod hard? 1254 00:53:33.710 --> 00:53:35.070 Plug the pod. Plug hard. 1255 00:53:35.130 --> 00:53:38.489 So basically, my husband and I, we're both in similar fields. 1256 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.250 I'm just going to say on this, because- You've been 1257 00:53:41.349 --> 00:53:44.219 so good on this. The plug, and we were talking 1258 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.260 about this on the last podcast, going on something and 1259 00:53:46.300 --> 00:53:48.610 being good is kind of the plug in itself. Do 1260 00:53:48.650 --> 00:53:49.210 you know what I mean? 1261 00:53:49.530 --> 00:53:52.219 Let me tell you something, the fact that you understand that, genuinely, 1262 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:53.579 I think a lot of people don't understand that thing. 1263 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.500 And that concept would have made you very good on 1264 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:57.960 Drive Time Radio. We talk about this all the time. 1265 00:53:57.980 --> 00:54:00.300 Like when you are someone who has guests on, it's 1266 00:54:00.380 --> 00:54:04.619 not about going, Rob Beckett's new project. Let's talk about 1267 00:54:04.659 --> 00:54:05.260 the project. 1268 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:06.199 Smart TV on Skymax. 1269 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:06.460 Yeah. 1270 00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:09.960 Let them shine. Have the PR shut up. Who's going, 1271 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.440 you haven't mentioned that. Shut up. We'll do it in 1272 00:54:12.460 --> 00:54:18.789 the intro. Let the star shine. But because you asked, 1273 00:54:19.449 --> 00:54:22.429 My husband and I had always wanted to do something together. Yeah. 1274 00:54:23.130 --> 00:54:28.760 But he is very obsessed with high quality formats. So 1275 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.059 anytime I'd be like, well, we could do a podcast. 1276 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:31.539 And he'd be like, no, what is it about? What 1277 00:54:31.579 --> 00:54:33.699 is it about? What are we talking about? You can't 1278 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:37.159 just do, said with respect for everyone's choices, you can't 1279 00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:40.010 just do a podcast about a marriage because there's not 1280 00:54:40.309 --> 00:54:44.750 going to be enough like authentically interesting self-generating material there. 1281 00:54:45.650 --> 00:54:46.969 so we were always trying to figure out what would 1282 00:54:46.989 --> 00:54:48.969 it be? What would we talk about? What's the shape? 1283 00:54:49.190 --> 00:54:50.789 And I was going to do a tour and in 1284 00:54:50.809 --> 00:54:55.099 the run up to that tour, without exaggeration, we got 1285 00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:59.219 as obsessed with how we were going to coordinate watching 1286 00:54:59.300 --> 00:55:01.719 Succession together, which we were very into at the time, 1287 00:55:02.179 --> 00:55:05.829 as to managing like the childcare arrangements. And I was like, oh, 1288 00:55:05.989 --> 00:55:08.630 what if it's, Because that's a thing with couples. I 1289 00:55:08.650 --> 00:55:09.789 don't know if you do this with your wives, but 1290 00:55:09.849 --> 00:55:13.690 we are a couple who watches together. It's a way 1291 00:55:13.750 --> 00:55:17.389 of connecting. And so we wound up doing this sort 1292 00:55:17.409 --> 00:55:21.329 of podcast about succession that went well enough. And that 1293 00:55:21.369 --> 00:55:27.440 has now transformed into it's about the hunt for excellent television. 1294 00:55:27.460 --> 00:55:33.090 So it's for you if. You love television, but you're 1295 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:36.210 like so over-faced and you're like, I am a good, 1296

00:55:36.469 --> 00:55:41.530 smart person with perfect taste. What is worth my time? 1297 00:55:41.969 --> 00:55:43.630 And we do all the work for you. 1298 00:55:43.650 --> 00:55:47.769 Hold the front page. Rubber Rubbish vs. Smart TV. The 1299 00:55:47.849 --> 00:55:49.860 Last Leg. Do an episode of The Last Leg. 1300 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.119 These are the only programs that we ever talk about. 1301 00:55:52.860 --> 00:55:54.280 Do you talk about The Masked Singer? 1302 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:55.659 You know what? 1303 00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.360 We would maybe talk about The Masked Singer in. 1304 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.260 Like we talked about the traitors. 1305 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:02.239 Yeah. 1306 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:04.449 And we would talk about it. Like, I think if 1307 00:56:04.489 --> 00:56:07.110 we're talking about, we try to do as much listener 1308 00:56:07.190 --> 00:56:09.230 interaction as we can. You know, we're trying to get 1309 00:56:09.250 --> 00:56:12.849 like a conversation going. What are people watching? I've got 1310 00:56:12.869 --> 00:56:14.650 a 10 year old. What should I be watching with 1311 00:56:14.690 --> 00:56:16.289 my 10 year old? This kind of stuff. Yeah. 1312 00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:18.440 Can I give you a suggestion of something to watch? 1313 00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:20.320 With your 10 year old, you can watch the traitors. 1314 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:20.960 Go on, Rob. 1315 00:56:20.980 --> 00:56:24.619 Have you heard of Kin? It's an Irish drama about gangsters. 1316 00:56:25.219 --> 00:56:27.880 There was a big hit in Ireland and then the BBC, 1317 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.619 it's on iPlayer now. Series one's already out. Series two 1318 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.460 starting next week. Some really good actors in it. Littlefinger 1319 00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.380 from Game of Thrones is in it. I forget what 1320 00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:35.960 his name is. 1321 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.449 I know who you mean. That guy. Yes. 1322 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.420 That guy. But he's brilliant. And that's quite good. But 1323 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.059 he's quite fast-paced, like a gangster drama. Eight episodes in 1324 00:56:43.099 --> 00:56:44.199 a series. See, this is what we do. 1325 00:56:44.219 --> 00:56:46.480 We'd have Rob Beckett on. We'd talk. We'd get an 1326 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.420 insider take on something to do with television. Then Rob 1327 00:56:49.460 --> 00:56:51.980 would recommend Kin. And then the next week, we'd watch 1328 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.880 Kin and be like, I want Rob Beckett to like me. 1329 00:56:53.980 --> 00:56:55.380 And it's called They Like to Watch. 1330 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:57.280 It's called They Like to Watch. So think about it 1331 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:02.150 like this. Television is the Trojan horse. And inside the 1332 00:57:02.190 --> 00:57:09.219 horse is a marriage. Do you understand? Marital dynamics tucked into, 1333 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.420 please tell me what is worth my time watching on television. 1334 00:57:12.460 --> 00:57:14.840 Yes, because time is at a premium if you don't 1335 00:57:14.860 --> 00:57:16.099 want to dodge a recommendation. 1336 00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:17.340 Oh, my God. 1337 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:19.090 You've cleared the diary to start a series. 1338 00:57:19.349 --> 00:57:21.670 You've been described as a sparky double act by the 1339 00:57:21.710 --> 00:57:22.570 Financial Times. 1340 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.250 We are a sparky double act. He brings the format 1341 00:57:26.269 --> 00:57:29.070 and I bring my good personality. You know how like 1342 00:57:29.090 --> 00:57:29.949 if you're going on a holiday. 1343 00:57:29.969 --> 00:57:32.440 You're one of the five hottest new podcasting duos. 1344 00:57:32.829 --> 00:57:35.570 Dude, we got silver at the British Podcast Awards. Oh, congratulations. 1345 00:57:35.590 --> 00:57:37.190 You thought we should have got gold? Carry on, carry on, 1346 00:57:37.210 --> 00:57:39.650 carry on. I just found myself. I, like, stepped out 1347 00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:43.030 of myself and heard myself explaining to you why we 1348 00:57:43.090 --> 00:57:46.460 would have gotten gold. And then I thought, we need 1349 00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:47.019 to reign. 1350 00:57:47.099 --> 00:57:48.820 Oh, no, tell us, because we'd like to get gold 1351 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:50.300 as well. What have you got to do to get gold? 1352 00:57:50.539 --> 00:57:52.780 You guys, we can't get gold because none of us 1353 00:57:52.820 --> 00:57:54.519 here are doing anything important. 1354 00:57:55.139 --> 00:57:57.119 Right, okay, so it's got to be. Actually, I think 1355 00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:57.460 we are. 1356 00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.980 So you're going to lose to the important podcast. 1357 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.300 Oh, right, if it's about... a big issue. 1358 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.699 Big issue. We're funny. Yeah. 1359 00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:07.079 It's not enough being funny. Not for a claim. 1360 00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:10.699 Enough for me, you guys. I'm speaking to you both now, 1361 00:58:10.940 --> 00:58:13.409 not your listeners. Okay. I'm speaking to you and whoever 1362 00:58:13.429 --> 00:58:16.250 listeners want to listen in. You're going on a holiday. 1363 00:58:16.630 --> 00:58:19.329 You're going to go somewhere lovely. You're successful people. You're 1364 00:58:19.349 --> 00:58:22.730 going somewhere great. And you're thinking we're going to hire 1365 00:58:22.769 --> 00:58:24.989 a babysitter this one night, but we want to go 1366 00:58:25.030 --> 00:58:29.360 to the perfect restaurant and in this little European Amalfi 1367 00:58:29.420 --> 00:58:32.860 Coast whatever. But where is exactly the– sure, Yelp is 1368 00:58:32.900 --> 00:58:35.710 going to tell me this. Lonely Planet is going to– 1369 00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:38.110 but where would actually be good? Then you want the

1370 00:58:38.150 --> 00:58:41.130 travel website that would tell you where you want to 1371 00:58:41.150 --> 00:58:43.309 go on the Amalfi Coast for dinner, the one night 1372 00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:45.050 that you're going to have dinner alone with your wife, right? 1373 00:58:45.110 --> 00:58:45.369 Yes. 1374 00:58:45.989 --> 00:58:49.469 We are trying to be that website, but as a 1375 00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:51.570 podcast for television. Right. 1376 00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:52.510 There we go. 1377 00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:54.039 Tony Roma's, that's where I'd go. 1378 00:58:55.949 --> 00:58:58.519 That's why I was speaking to Josh. 1379 00:58:58.579 --> 00:59:00.280 Soon as you said Amalfi Coast, I was like, it's 1380 00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:01.519 got Pooley written all over it. 1381 00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:02.199 It's the other side. 1382 00:59:02.219 --> 00:59:05.239 I just get some tenders in Orlando. The last question. 1383 00:59:05.260 --> 00:59:06.670 We always ask this question. 1384 00:59:07.010 --> 00:59:09.150 Oh, it's good because you're a sparky double act. So 1385 00:59:09.170 --> 00:59:09.690 this is a good. 1386 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.659 sparky double act yeah and your husband jeff lloyd uh 1387 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.260 dj jeff lloyd now podcaster what is the one thing 1388 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.980 he does parenting wise we go oh my god he's 1389 00:59:17.019 --> 00:59:19.599 amazing i'm so lucky to have a child with him. 1390 00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:20.820 And then what's the one thing he does? We go, 1391 00:59:20.820 --> 00:59:22.900 that is really annoying. And I wish you didn't do that. 1392 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:23.360 Stop it. 1393 00:59:24.380 --> 00:59:28.079 No. What does he do? I hate saying this because 1394 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:32.739 it's so cheesy, but like he loves being with our 1395 00:59:32.780 --> 00:59:37.150 son so much. Like nothing else in his life brings 1396 00:59:37.210 --> 00:59:39.909 him the amount of joy. And I actually think that's 1397 00:59:39.929 --> 00:59:42.429 kind of rare for a parent. Like my friends were 1398 00:59:42.469 --> 00:59:45.329 arranging like a girl's dinner and everyone's like, make the 1399 00:59:45.349 --> 00:59:47.590 dinner early so I can get out of bedtime. And 1400 00:59:47.630 --> 00:59:49.989 my husband is that person who's like, Get out of bedtime? 1401 00:59:50.010 --> 00:59:54.269 It's my favorite part of the day. Now, some of 1402 00:59:54.289 --> 00:59:55.889 this is because of his underlying depression. 1403 00:59:55.909 --> 00:59:56.750 But also, it's. 1404 00:59:56.650 --> 01:00:02.670 Just like a lovely gift he gives our son. And 1405 01:00:02.710 --> 01:00:09.139 then the thing that he does that we both are really, really, really, really, 1406 01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:13.719 really different about money. Like, I hate being generous. It 1407 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.090 makes me feel sick. Spending money and being generous. I'm 1408 01:00:17.110 -->

01:00:20.809 like the tightest bitch you've ever met. Yeah. 1409 01:00:21.070 --> 01:00:22.030 You should hang out with Josh. 1410 01:00:22.989 --> 01:00:24.170 Oh, is Josh like that as well? 1411 01:00:24.349 --> 01:00:25.269 No, not at all. 1412 01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:28.219 You both seem like you'd be generous people, but not me. 1413 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:28.500 I'm weak. 1414 01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:30.960 I'm weak. I've had my husband, he's had to convince me. 1415 01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:33.239 Like I have said before, we were going to visit 1416 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.579 some friends and I was like, they had had a 1417 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.260 huge professional success and they were engaged to be married. 1418 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:39.400 I was like, we need to go over with a 1419 01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:41.110 bottle of champagne. Right. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1420 01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:42.039 So we're walking. 1421 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.280 We pass a liquor store. We go in. I didn't 1422 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.239 know how much champagne cost. I had no idea because 1423 01:00:46.260 --> 01:00:48.179 I'm always like buying Prosecco. I come out. I said 1424 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.559 to my husband, I can't do it. I can't physically 1425 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.119 spend 60 pounds on a bottle of wine. I will 1426 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.119 throw up. So you go do it to be nice 1427 01:00:55.179 --> 01:00:56.710 because I know what I should do, but I can't 1428 01:00:56.769 --> 01:01:00.369 do it. So the difficulty is he, I would say, 1429 01:01:00.389 --> 01:01:04.570 and if he was on, he'd be like, But I 1430 01:01:04.590 --> 01:01:08.019 would say he nudges up. His love language is let 1431 01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.659 me give you things, let me give you things. And 1432 01:01:09.699 --> 01:01:13.500 that is also his love language with his child. And 1433 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.199 I don't love that. 1434 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.719 What's your love language then to your husband and child 1435 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:19.510 if it's not gifts? What would you say? 1436 01:01:19.530 --> 01:01:20.829 What if I don't have one? 1437 01:01:20.849 --> 01:01:21.849 What's my love language? 1438 01:01:21.909 --> 01:01:22.389 Oh, shit. 1439 01:01:22.469 --> 01:01:31.210 Rob. Rob. What if my big takeaways from this podcast 1440 01:01:31.250 --> 01:01:32.869 are that I am going to let my son have 1441 01:01:32.889 --> 01:01:35.539 a creative job and I don't have a love language? 1442 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.679 Is it affection, cuddling and kissing, that kind of stuff? 1443 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:42.409 Yeah, I don't know. What's my... I'm here to get 1444 01:01:42.449 --> 01:01:45.610 the job done. Admin. I think admin might be my 1445 01:01:45.670 --> 01:01:46.030 love language. 1446 01:01:46.130 --> 01:01:47.610 Organizing is your love language. 1447 01:01:47.769 --> 01:01:51.010 Oh, this is terrible. But yeah,

I think organization is 1448 01:01:51.030 --> 01:01:51.409 my love language. 1449 01:01:51.429 --> 01:01:52.949 Yeah, but that's important though. As much as it's not 1450 01:01:53.050 --> 01:01:56.039 like being honest and everything runs smoothly and it's an 1451 01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.320 enjoyable experience to do stuff. That is a way of 1452 01:01:58.340 --> 01:01:59.880 showing love, isn't it? To get everything in order for 1453 01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:01.480 people to enjoy themselves. 1454 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:03.900 Love it. Actually, my son said to me the other day, 1455 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.349 he's like, mom, can we talk about the schedule? And 1456 01:02:07.369 --> 01:02:11.889 I was like, that's my boy. I love just talking 1457 01:02:11.949 --> 01:02:16.719 schedules and being like, and then. On Wednesday. That's so 1458 01:02:16.739 --> 01:02:17.260 fun for me. 1459 01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:19.739 Sarah, thanks so much. Good luck with the podcast. 1460 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:20.309 It's been a joy. 1461 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:22.250 Are you touring or doing any more stand-up? Or is 1462 01:02:22.289 --> 01:02:24.190 it just podcasting you're focusing on at the moment? 1463 01:02:24.590 --> 01:02:26.050 I'm not sure when this will come out, but I 1464 01:02:26.070 --> 01:02:29.349 will be up in Edinburgh this summer at 4.45 every day. 1465 01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:32.050 And I've got a podcast that drops every Tuesday. And 1466 01:02:32.150 --> 01:02:36.679 those are her big projects and products. 1467 01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:39.420 And where would they follow you on social media? 1468 01:02:39.909 --> 01:02:41.880 This is the worst handle of all time, and let's 1469 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:43.059 just skate on past that. 1470 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:43.940 What is it, Adolf Hitler? 1471 01:02:44.579 --> 01:02:46.820 Yeah, it's Adolf Hitler, 2470. It's Sarah, spelled Sarah, Barron, 1472 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.940 one million, everywhere. Pardon? At Sarah Barron, one million. 1473 01:02:59.230 --> 01:03:00.800 Oh, not everywhere as well. No, no, no. 1474 01:03:00.829 --> 01:03:02.989 I'm just saying that's right. You see how I always 1475 01:03:03.010 --> 01:03:05.429 fuck up my handle? This is the only reason my 1476 01:03:05.469 --> 01:03:06.369 followers are so low. 1477 01:03:06.389 --> 01:03:07.639 So Sarah Barron. 1478 01:03:07.739 --> 01:03:09.940 S-A-R-A Barron. No H. 1479 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:13.360 No H on the Sarah. One million at the end. 1480 01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:14.659 How many R's in Barron? 1481 01:03:14.980 --> 01:03:16.760 Two R's. 1482 01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:19.110 And a million, is that written as one million or 1483 01:03:19.130 --> 01:03:21.269 is it digits of one, zero, zero, zero, zero? 1484 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:26.239 It's digits. I'm such a nice lady. If anyone would 1485 01:03:26.260 --> 01:03:28.969 put in the effort, I'm such a nice lady. 1486 01:03:28.989 --> 01:03:33.309 Sarah Barron, no H, two R's, and the number one 1487 01:03:33.670 --> 01:03:34.530 and six zeros. 1488 01:03:35.650 --> 01:03:37.230 You're a PR marketing machine. 1489 01:03:38.190 --> 01:03:38.920 It's so.... 1490 01:03:41.429 --> 01:03:43.980 Oh, please come find me, everyone. I need help. 1491 01:03:44.019 --> 01:03:46.599 Did you start on Sarah Barron one and that was taken? 1492 01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:48.960 Then you did two. Then you did three. 1493 01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.460 I don't even know. And my email address, if I 1494 01:03:51.500 --> 01:03:52.949 gave you my email, you'd be like, you need to 1495 01:03:53.030 --> 01:03:55.489 talk to somebody. Like you need to have a word. 1496 01:03:55.809 --> 01:03:57.829 I've checked your follow on Instagram. I didn't know I 1497 01:03:57.829 --> 01:03:59.269 wasn't following you. Couldn't find you. 1498 01:03:59.530 --> 01:04:05.940 I'm following Sarah Barron, 999,999. I'm working my way there. Cheers, Sarah. 1499 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.110 Good luck with the show. And sorry we made you 1500 01:04:08.130 --> 01:04:09.449 feel sick on hypothetical. 1501 01:04:09.750 --> 01:04:11.989 And this was, yeah, it was the corrective emotional experience. 1502 01:04:12.070 --> 01:04:14.199 Do you feel like you've recovered now from, have we 1503 01:04:14.219 --> 01:04:15.639 done a bit of therapy and put that to bed? 1504 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:16.340 You had a good time. 1505 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.079 By the way, I was doing, there was never any, 1506 01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:20.019 you were both always so sweet. I just always felt, 1507 01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:21.500 you know, if you have a one person, you always 1508 01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:23.599 have bad gigs in front of them. That's how I felt. 1509 01:04:23.619 --> 01:04:24.679 It was like, why would I have to have a 1510 01:04:24.699 --> 01:04:26.460 bad gig in front of Joshua to come and rap Beckett? 1511 01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:27.460 So this felt much better. 1512 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.860 I can't listen to Bananarama because they spoke about that 1513 01:04:29.889 --> 01:04:31.750 and wouldn't lie to you for ages. So I know 1514 01:04:31.789 --> 01:04:32.170 how you feel. 1515 01:04:32.710 --> 01:04:33.469 But we've corrected it. 1516 01:04:33.530 --> 01:04:33.949 Exactly. 1517 01:04:34.489 --> 01:04:36.489 Cheers, Sarah. I'll see you guys around. Thank you so 1518 01:04:36.510 --> 01:04:38.349 much again for having me. Cheers, bye. 1519 01:04:39.650 --> 01:04:41.550 Sarah Barron. Oh, Sarah Barron. 1520 01:04:41.570 --> 01:04:43.179 I felt bad about Hypothetical. 1521 01:04:43.300 --> 01:04:44.380 Yeah, not as bad as I felt. 1522 01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:46.639 It's your show, isn't it? You should put your guests 1523 01:04:46.659 --> 01:04:48.860 at ease. And then James Acaster got all the love 1524 01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:51.119 for talking to her about it and you just moseyed off, 1525 01:04:51.179 --> 01:04:51.699 not caring. 1526 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:52.460 Oh, God. 1527 01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:53.260 Oh, well. 1528 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:54.570 Pretty worried about your neck, weren't you? 1529 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:55.260 Yeah. 1530 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:56.920 Can't sort that out until I've sorted this out. 1531 01:04:57.059 --> 01:04:57.280 Yeah. 1532 01:04:57.500 --> 01:04:58.780 What are you Googling? I can see it in your 1533 01:04:58.820 --> 01:05:00.880 glasses as well, you little Google goggle monster. 1534 01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.460 I started reading about her podcast. 1535 01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:06.099 Oh, right, OK. While we're doing the outro on ours. 1536 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:08.800 Because when I Googled her podcast, a bloody load of 1537 01:05:08.820 --> 01:05:10.510 things came up, and then before I knew it, I 1538 01:05:10.570 --> 01:05:13.429 clicked on an article with an interview with her. It's 1539 01:05:13.530 --> 01:05:15.909 literally finished an interview with her, and I'm reading an 1540 01:05:15.949 --> 01:05:17.530 interview with her. What am I doing with my life? 1541 01:05:17.929 --> 01:05:19.170 Let's come back on Tuesday. 1542 01:05:19.190 --> 01:05:20.389 Right, see you on Tuesday. 1543 01:05:20.670 --> 01:05:20.969 Bye. 1544 01:05:20.989 --> 01:05:21.949 MUSIC PLAYS