התמלול המלא של Networking Unleashed: An Interview with Liam Golder and Michael A Forman, Professional Speaker

clients and help get these songs out to radio, 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:53.659 TV, magazines, record labels and all these different 00:03:53.659 --> 00:03:56.400 places. But my heart's in it. I spend hours and 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.759 hours of my life, days, sometimes seven days 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.840 a week, just on the music and contracts. Anything 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:07.000 works while you put your time in. Yeah. I'm trying 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.939 to work with a lot of people. Yeah. I'm trying 00:04:08.939 --> 00:04:11.419 to work with... bigger names as possible and 00:04:11.419 --> 00:04:13.520 help the small guys as well and the people that 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.680 have got their different things. Sometimes it's 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.439 helping people that have got mental health. For 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:21.399 myself, I have mental health sometimes. So it's 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.500 actually trying to help people with their different 00:04:23.500 --> 00:04:25.920 problems. I've got people with cancer that I've 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.220 helped with their music or different health problems. 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.680 One guy had 33 health conditions because he came 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.980 out of the army. And all that sort of thing as 00:04:33.980 --> 00:04:35.379 well. So there's a lot of health involved as 00:04:35.379 --> 00:04:38.160 well. And really trying to help the bigger names. 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.920 Rutan Clan, trying to help them at the moment, 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.920 like a famous hip hop band from New York. And 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:45.939 that sort of thing. And trying to develop other 00:04:45.939 --> 00:04:48.579 big names that we're trying to work with. I've 00:04:48.579 --> 00:04:50.600 known John Somerton from the Herman's Hermits 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:52.519 for years. I've recorded a lot of songs with 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.819 him. And that's been exciting. Potential others, 00:04:56.939 --> 00:04:59.220 as I say, working on and off with potentially 00:04:59.220 --> 00:05:01.720 hot chocolate once they get organized with their 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:05.100 music from the UK. So we've been back and forth 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:09.680 with them. So let me get into a few of these 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.139 questions. In the music world, relationships 00:05:13.139 --> 00:05:18.019 often determine opportunities. Yes. How is networking 00:05:18.019 --> 00:05:22.319 in that space similar or different from traditional 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:27.149 business networking? I think the networking with 00:05:27.149 --> 00:05:29.370 musicians and the different songwriters and everyone, 00:05:29.470 --> 00:05:32.529 it's been different because I think when you've 00:05:32.529 --> 00:05:34.290 got their sort of dreams and all their things 00:05:34.290 --> 00:05:35.949 in your hands, it's quite different with any 00:05:35.949 --> 00:05:38.810 business or any occupation.

It's always about 00:05:38.810 --> 00:05:42.189 trust and reliability and being authentic. But 00:05:42.189 --> 00:05:43.850 I think with the musicians, it's really having 00:05:43.850 --> 00:05:47.410 that, the word again, really, consistency, having 00:05:47.410 --> 00:05:50.290 that consistent bond. You're saying all the right 00:05:50.290 --> 00:05:52.850 things. You're saying all the right things. Like 00:05:52.850 --> 00:05:54.629 I said, it's a two -way street. People say to 00:05:54.629 --> 00:05:57.009 me about helping them, and I say, but I have 00:05:57.009 --> 00:06:00.430 to have them as well, like, doing their part 00:06:00.430 --> 00:06:04.689 and being genuine. Within the networking world, 00:06:04.949 --> 00:06:07.290 you named all the right terms, didn't you, Dick? 00:06:07.389 --> 00:06:09.670 Although that term is being thrown around a lot. 00:06:09.810 --> 00:06:12.709 Yeah, yeah. Consistency. Exactly. Consistency. 00:06:13.069 --> 00:06:17.509 But trust, that trust factor is so big, so important. 00:06:18.269 --> 00:06:20.410 Massively. Because nobody's going to do business 00:06:20.410 --> 00:06:23.300 with you. Unless they trust you. That's it, with 00:06:23.300 --> 00:06:25.420 anything, yeah. And there's so much to it. And 00:06:25.420 --> 00:06:28.220 the other one, the communication as well, which 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:31.399 is, and timekeeping and all these things. But 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:33.379 it's a massive, so much goes into it. It's more 00:06:33.379 --> 00:06:34.980 than just music. I say it's the health side, 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:37.740 there's the law side. There's so many different 00:06:37.740 --> 00:06:40.500 parts of it. But ultimately, it's helping people, 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.740 getting results for people and the music. And 00:06:43.740 --> 00:06:47.379 I say being genuine as well. And I say from both 00:06:47.379 --> 00:06:48.879 sides, from what I'm doing and from what they're 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:52.009 doing. Because, yeah, so that's what it is. But 00:06:52.009 --> 00:06:56.730 it's, yeah, it's very exciting. Good. How do 00:06:56.730 --> 00:07:00.550 you help artists or music professionals position 00:07:00.550 --> 00:07:05.389 themselves so people take them seriously? Yeah, 00:07:05.449 --> 00:07:07.670 what it is, it's basically with all the radio 00:07:07.670 --> 00:07:09.069 stations that I work with, it's getting them 00:07:09.069 --> 00:07:11.810 positioned with radio play, interviews where 00:07:11.810 --> 00:07:15.410 possible, podcasts, the TV stations and TV interviews 00:07:15.410 --> 00:07:18.480 and different TV opportunities. And same with 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.959 magazines, magazine coverage and interviews and 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:24.939 any label deals, really. But further than that, 00:07:24.939 --> 00:07:28.160 it's music to venues like airports and restaurants, 00:07:28.500 --> 00:07:30.699 hotels and that sort of thing, shopping malls, 00:07:30.699 --> 00:07:34.660 gyms. It covers such a wide spectrum of music. 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:36.779 And I say it's so many things, it's more than 00:07:36.779 --> 00:07:39.920 just songs. It's really, it's bigger than that. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:41.660 It's important about the songs, but it's the 00:07:41.660 --> 00:07:43.819 message behind the songs and it's people's careers. 00:07:45.500 --> 00:07:47.800 It's there for a lot of people. Music's their 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:51.360 whole life. So it's a very important job to help 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.420 them and look after these people. Yeah, it's 00:07:54.420 --> 00:07:57.620 very personal. Yeah, it is. With anything, whatever 00:07:57.620 --> 00:07:58.980 you're doing in life, whether you're a teacher 00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:01.579 or a police officer or a lawyer, whatever you 00:08:01.579 --> 00:08:04.399 are, a doctor, it's ultimately helping and it's 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.300 making a difference to what's going on. A lot 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:08.000 of people say to me, music saved them. Music 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.759 saved their life. If they're passionate about 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:16.079 anything, any type of profession, it's a part 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.920 of them. And if you're helping, it's a part of 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.800 them. So you're in the mix. You're in there. 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.240 And if you can help them, all the better. Let 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.819 me ask you another question. Many creatives focus 00:08:28.819 --> 00:08:32.279 on their craft, but not their business. How does 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:34.740 that impact their ability to build relationships 00:08:34.740 --> 00:08:41.230 that generate income? Yeah, because a lot of 00:08:41.230 --> 00:08:43.350 the songwriters out there are really just writing 00:08:43.350 --> 00:08:45.509 songs or just spend so much time in the studio. 00:08:45.929 --> 00:08:47.610 And then after that, they don't really know where 00:08:47.610 --> 00:08:49.909 to put their songs. So the income side of it, 00:08:49.950 --> 00:08:52.029 a lot of time is that going on Spotify and streaming 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:54.009 things, which isn't doing a lot for a lot of 00:08:54.009 --> 00:08:55.990 people. So they're not really attacking the right 00:08:55.990 --> 00:08:58.210 angles. And then I come into it because I'm on 00:08:58.210 --> 00:09:00.190 both sides as a writer, songwriter and performer 00:09:00.190 --> 00:09:04.220 and singer, but also being... on the business 00:09:04.220 --> 00:09:06.860 side of the other side of helping getting people 00:09:06.860 --> 00:09:09.120 out there as well so ultimately building incomes 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.379 is through doing things differently it's very 00:09:11.379 --> 00:09:13.480 easy getting things on tv and all that stuff 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.360 and getting the songs branded and obviously gigs 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.100 and touring all this stuff as well but

ultimately 00:09:19.100 --> 00:09:23.320 it's it's opening up angles like rather than 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:26.629 just releasing the song and hoping you know people 00:09:26.629 --> 00:09:29.190 looking at youtube or whatever it's really just 00:09:29.190 --> 00:09:31.789 getting the songs sponsorship behind songs and 00:09:31.789 --> 00:09:33.470 all that sort of thing different things rather 00:09:33.470 --> 00:09:36.590 than just relying on traditional routes as well 00:09:36.590 --> 00:09:39.169 really just got as obvious as it sounds you've 00:09:39.169 --> 00:09:40.809 got to be unique and just stand out really because 00:09:40.809 --> 00:09:43.009 everyone's doing the same things otherwise and 00:09:43.009 --> 00:09:44.409 say it's why it's important to get sponsorships 00:09:44.409 --> 00:09:47.029 and branding and trying to get companies behind 00:09:47.029 --> 00:09:48.730 you and all that sort of thing as well and other 00:09:48.730 --> 00:09:51.029 companies not just not just music companies but 00:09:51.029 --> 00:09:53.370 could be food companies or whatever Whoever will 00:09:53.370 --> 00:09:58.009 sponsor you will generate some income. But still, 00:09:58.009 --> 00:10:01.889 you have to realize that there's a business behind 00:10:01.889 --> 00:10:05.649 the music. And as you understand the business, 00:10:05.889 --> 00:10:10.049 it's really a part of it. Yes, exactly. So what 00:10:10.049 --> 00:10:13.850 does a strong first conversation look like in 00:10:13.850 --> 00:10:17.429 a creative industry where personality and identity 00:10:17.429 --> 00:10:22.570 matter so much? Yeah, it's really the conversation 00:10:22.570 --> 00:10:24.909 is working out what their vision is, what they're 00:10:24.909 --> 00:10:26.889 trying to achieve. Because when I talk to different 00:10:26.889 --> 00:10:29.049 musicians and singers, everyone's trying to achieve 00:10:29.049 --> 00:10:31.090 different things. And then I have to say, how 00:10:31.090 --> 00:10:33.070 about this as well? So sometimes they're focusing 00:10:33.070 --> 00:10:37.490 on one thing, which could be just radio. I say, 00:10:37.549 --> 00:10:39.870 how about magazines? How about record labels 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.149 or TV or other things as well? You know, getting 00:10:43.149 --> 00:10:45.190 the songs out there in different ways. And then 00:10:45.190 --> 00:10:47.570 sometimes... That's your job. That's your job. 00:10:47.610 --> 00:10:50.710 Yeah, yeah. everything because sometimes they're 00:10:50.710 --> 00:10:52.409 just focusing on one thing or just say i'm just 00:10:52.409 --> 00:10:55.190 going to put my songs out to to i'm just going 00:10:55.190 --> 00:10:56.929 to geek and that's it but not do anything else 00:10:56.929 --> 00:10:59.289 yeah well they just put their songs out on whatever 00:10:59.289 --> 00:11:02.509 they do instagram whatever they do and and that's 00:11:02.509 --> 00:11:03.970 it and then they might say i would put my songs 00:11:03.970 --> 00:11:06.710 on there and then so you try to open up different 00:11:06.710 --> 00:11:11.230 pathways and different yeah yeah that's basically 00:11:11.230 --> 00:11:14.409 your job though is to help them yeah absolutely 00:11:14.409 --> 00:11:17.110 the business yeah yeah there's a lot of care 00:11:17.110 --> 00:11:22.360 involved When I first got into professional speaking, 00:11:22.740 --> 00:11:25.659 there are speakers who just speak. But there's 00:11:25.659 --> 00:11:29.059 a business behind the speaking. And you have 00:11:29.059 --> 00:11:32.100 to understand both. Otherwise, you're just speaking 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:36.759 for $500 each time. And that doesn't work. How 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:42.179 can someone communicate their value without feeling 00:11:42.179 --> 00:11:47.889 like they're selling their art or talent? Yeah, 00:11:47.889 --> 00:11:50.350 I think it's getting the message across in a 00:11:50.350 --> 00:11:52.570 way that people can connect to. Everything to 00:11:52.570 --> 00:11:54.830 do with the music, when you've got your songs 00:11:54.830 --> 00:11:56.330 and things, rather than just saying, I'm a singer, 00:11:56.470 --> 00:11:57.990 songwriter and everyone's, a lot of people keep 00:11:57.990 --> 00:12:00.370 saying these things, but the message behind it, 00:12:00.389 --> 00:12:02.610 what's the, what is the story of the person, 00:12:02.669 --> 00:12:06.549 you know, as well? And I think that helps get 00:12:06.549 --> 00:12:08.740 across, people can relate to. people going through 00:12:08.740 --> 00:12:11.220 different situations my story is a lot of come 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:13.799 from anxiety and different mental health conditions 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.860 and i've still battled that but still been a 00:12:16.860 --> 00:12:22.659 success in music and to then go on and and become 00:12:22.659 --> 00:12:24.639 something really that when it thinks against 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.139 you and same with other people you know everyone 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:28.179 you know these success stories of people that 00:12:28.179 --> 00:12:31.100 have had obstacles they've come from poverty 00:12:31.100 --> 00:12:32.799 or they've come from illness or they've come 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:36.179 from everything being against them and they've 00:12:36.179 --> 00:12:38.769 managed to pull themselves around homelessness 00:12:38.769 --> 00:12:42.009 or whatever it is and suddenly become a music 00:12:42.009 --> 00:12:45.330 success so really having that golden nugget of 00:12:45.330 --> 00:12:46.909 what's their story and then people go oh yeah 00:12:46.909 --> 00:12:48.470 i can relate to that or oh yeah that happened 00:12:48.470 --> 00:12:51.610 to me or wow the love of their life died or something 00:12:51.610 --> 00:12:53.389 like that and they've had to carry on their songs 00:12:53.389 --> 00:12:55.850 have gotten through it and and so many things 00:12:55.850 --> 00:12:58.450 i've come

across what people have gone through 00:12:58.450 --> 00:13:03.230 consistency consistency plays a major part oh 00:13:03.230 --> 00:13:06.490 so huge all of this it's so huge yeah what role 00:13:07.390 --> 00:13:11.370 Excuse me. What role does consistency play in 00:13:11.370 --> 00:13:15.029 staying relevant and top of mind within your 00:13:15.029 --> 00:13:19.649 network of people? Yeah, it's everything, actually. 00:13:19.809 --> 00:13:21.169 It's something that goes through my mind every 00:13:21.169 --> 00:13:23.690 day and I say to so many people because the consistency 00:13:23.690 --> 00:13:27.169 is huge, if not the biggest thing, because like 00:13:27.169 --> 00:13:29.029 today, we turn up on time for the meeting for 00:13:29.029 --> 00:13:31.730 this. And then with people I work with, it's 00:13:31.730 --> 00:13:33.950 getting to turn up on time for things or send 00:13:33.950 --> 00:13:36.559 music through on time. or get things through 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:40.039 on times but and again it's it works both ways 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:43.620 because you can show up you can be there and 00:13:43.620 --> 00:13:45.159 if the other person's not doing their part of 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.080 course it affects the whole structure of things 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.019 yeah so it's so important and they want the consistency 00:13:52.019 --> 00:13:54.240 from you so you need to help me i want to help 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.720 please help me but then they've got to do their 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.919 part as well and it's that's what it is like 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:00.759 i said the consistency and trust and loyalty 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.320 and all these things are so important If you're 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.039 not consistent, they won't take you seriously. 00:14:07.580 --> 00:14:11.440 It's like anything. Yeah. Maybe he'll show up. 00:14:11.500 --> 00:14:14.539 Maybe he won't. Yeah, exactly. I'm always talking 00:14:14.539 --> 00:14:20.200 about it. Absolutely. It's so on point that it's 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.399 ridiculous. But consistency is the number one 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.360 factor. Oh, it's huge. It's huge. I talk about 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.019 it pretty much every day to myself in my own 00:14:28.019 --> 00:14:30.600 head and to clients. And I say that song needs 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.799 to be. there on tuesday and that's thursday well 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.879 and that sort of thing but of course i expect 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.639 you to be on on on point with everything of course 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.019 you have to be but you have to rely on them as 00:14:42.019 --> 00:14:44.720 well so it's i say consistency is everything 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.320 throughout life isn't it yeah it really is whatever 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:49.440 you do you miss you're going on a cruise you 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:50.759 miss the cruise you're not on time miss the flight 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.879 because you're not there i expect the pilot to 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.320 be there but you've got to be there as well I'm 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:00.039 a former military member. I'm an Air Force veteran. 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:05.200 And there's a saying that from day one, if I'm 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:10.860 on time, if I'm early, I'm on time. So I'm constantly 00:15:10.860 --> 00:15:14.360 early for everything. But my kids will kill me 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.580 because of it. But I am just that. It's in my 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:19.519 DNA. And that's the way it should really be. 00:15:20.090 --> 00:15:21.870 Yeah, exactly. Like we say, like I was saying, 00:15:21.950 --> 00:15:23.289 you get to a flight and you get there three, 00:15:23.350 --> 00:15:24.809 four hours early, at least you're there. You're 00:15:24.809 --> 00:15:26.409 there. You may wait around a little while, but 00:15:26.409 --> 00:15:27.990 you're there. Yeah, you're there. Whatever it 00:15:27.990 --> 00:15:29.429 is, we've got like going out for a meal when 00:15:29.429 --> 00:15:31.029 you've got a reservation and you're like, oh, 00:15:31.029 --> 00:15:33.370 30 minutes late and then, oh, get off at me into 00:15:33.370 --> 00:15:37.350 the reservation or whatever it is. How do relationships 00:15:37.350 --> 00:15:42.029 in the music industry evolve from casual connections 00:15:42.029 --> 00:15:49.570 into real opportunities or paid work? Yeah, it's 00:15:49.570 --> 00:15:52.649 really just building that bond and that connection 00:15:52.649 --> 00:15:56.529 with who you're working with. And really, with 00:15:56.529 --> 00:15:57.950 a lot of the musicians and different singers 00:15:57.950 --> 00:16:00.070 and songwriters, famous ones and non -famous, 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:02.809 it's realizing that they realize you're a real 00:16:02.809 --> 00:16:06.149 person. And also to help them in a way that no 00:16:06.149 --> 00:16:08.740 one else is helping them. because there's a lot 00:16:08.740 --> 00:16:11.080 of music people on this side of it, on this side 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:12.879 where there's a lot of scams, a lot of sharks, 00:16:13.179 --> 00:16:15.200 a lot of people taking money and then running 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:16.620 off and you never hear from them again, all that 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:19.679 stuff, I understand. And I've had where I'm so 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:21.340 genuine that people can't believe it's genuine. 00:16:23.659 --> 00:16:26.299 Because unfortunately, people are used to being 00:16:26.299 --> 00:16:29.159 ungenuine out there because there's so many people 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:30.700 that don't do anything they say they're going 00:16:30.700 --> 00:16:34.049 to do. And you have to be careful. You have to 00:16:34.049 --> 00:16:36.809 be careful because you are so genuine and you're 00:16:36.809 --> 00:16:44.250 truly trying to help. You can get hurt too. Yeah, 00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:45.750 that's what it is.

It's crazy. You're trying 00:16:45.750 --> 00:16:47.090 to be different and you're trying to do something 00:16:47.090 --> 00:16:49.210 different, like individual to everybody else. 00:16:49.590 --> 00:16:51.549 And sometimes that's a blessing. Sometimes it's 00:16:51.549 --> 00:16:54.490 not because people go like. What? You're going 00:16:54.490 --> 00:16:56.750 to help? Really? What? You're going to help me? 00:16:57.190 --> 00:16:59.710 What? They can't believe it because they're like, 00:16:59.789 --> 00:17:02.269 what? Exactly. But someone's got to because otherwise 00:17:02.269 --> 00:17:03.830 we're just going to go round and round in circles, 00:17:03.889 --> 00:17:07.490 nobody helping anybody. Yeah, that's true. That's 00:17:07.490 --> 00:17:09.809 a problem. That's a problem. Okay, so let me 00:17:09.809 --> 00:17:13.609 ask you a question. Where do creatives unintentionally 00:17:13.609 --> 00:17:17.170 limit their income by avoiding business conversations? 00:17:19.670 --> 00:17:22.660 Yeah, I think what it is. They avoid conversations 00:17:22.660 --> 00:17:24.819 a lot. And there's a lot of fear behind that. 00:17:24.859 --> 00:17:26.500 I get it too, because I've been through it myself 00:17:26.500 --> 00:17:30.559 a lot on both sides of being a musician and being 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:34.140 on this side of PR and marketing. A lot of times 00:17:34.140 --> 00:17:37.259 I think they get stuck in their ways. And then 00:17:37.259 --> 00:17:40.079 I've released a song a certain way. I'm just 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.740 restricting myself. And then the fear kicks in. 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:46.240 So then they're worried about doing that. I won't 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.200 do it. I'm worried about putting my songs out 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.759 there in case. they don't like my song or they 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.339 laugh at my song or i don't get enough interest 00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:55.940 so they don't do anything so you'll see a big 00:17:55.940 --> 00:17:59.519 part of life for me as an anxiety sufferer is 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.960 fear it can either stop you doing something or 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.799 it can dead in your tracks yeah stop you from 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.059 doing anything yeah or avoiding things completely 00:18:08.059 --> 00:18:10.180 and thinking oh god i'm so worried about that 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:11.460 i won't do anything with it but then limiting 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:14.180 themselves because in the long run they're not 00:18:14.180 --> 00:18:17.980 really getting out to their full capacity because 00:18:17.980 --> 00:18:20.859 of fear a lot of the time or sometimes just because 00:18:20.859 --> 00:18:22.259 they're disorganized and they haven't really 00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:24.240 don't know what to do and the song just sits 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.880 there even great bands over the years led zeppelin 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:29.339 or whoever it is queen if they've just done their 00:18:29.339 --> 00:18:31.480 songs and never told anybody of course like anything 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:32.880 it'd just be sitting there and no one would have 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.240 known what it was, what it was doing with anything. 00:18:35.420 --> 00:18:37.880 And you just named two groups that I'm fully 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:42.619 behind. Yeah. Coming from England originally 00:18:42.619 --> 00:18:45.180 to the greatest brands, I think in the world 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:48.200 as well. Yeah. Okay. So let me bring this podcast 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.539 full circle. Yeah. If a listener wants to turn 00:18:52.539 --> 00:18:55.779 their passion into profit through relationships, 00:18:56.099 --> 00:19:00.039 through relationships, what one networking habit 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:06.000 should they start immediately? It's really, it's 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:10.619 literally branching out. I'd say it's just get 00:19:10.619 --> 00:19:12.960 yourself out there. Everywhere you can, look 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.000 at, because some sinners and some wise musicians, 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:16.259 they think they're doing everything. They go, 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:18.619 I'm doing it all. But they're not. They're missing 00:19:18.619 --> 00:19:21.160 out on so many things they're not doing. So just 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:25.019 gig as many places as you can. Connect to as 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:29.259 many people as you can through music. And it's 00:19:29.259 --> 00:19:31.569 been said a lot, but... That one opportunity 00:19:31.569 --> 00:19:33.349 can change your life. It could be one email, 00:19:33.450 --> 00:19:37.190 one conversation. Today, this is life -changing. 00:19:37.309 --> 00:19:39.950 This today, this is great. And it's just have 00:19:39.950 --> 00:19:42.269 conversations with people and get yourself out 00:19:42.269 --> 00:19:44.990 there because if you've got the talent and personality 00:19:44.990 --> 00:19:49.849 combined, you can achieve so much. You never 00:19:49.849 --> 00:19:53.549 know who's listening. You never know who's listening. 00:19:53.549 --> 00:19:56.509 I have thousands and thousands of listeners and 00:19:56.509 --> 00:19:59.950 that one listener. And speaking of that, so you 00:19:59.950 --> 00:20:02.069 know what, Liam, because you are such a great 00:20:02.069 --> 00:20:05.190 podcast guest. Thank you. If somebody wanted 00:20:05.190 --> 00:20:07.990 to contact you, whether to be mentored by you, 00:20:08.069 --> 00:20:10.470 hire you, whatever have you, what's the best 00:20:10.470 --> 00:20:13.309 way for them to get hold of you? Yeah, the best 00:20:13.309 --> 00:20:16.609 way is actually the email is songheroesmusic 00:20:16.609 --> 00:20:19.289 at gmail .com. and the website as well which 00:20:19.289 --> 00:20:24.269 has been updated actually is www .son -heroes 00:20:24.269 --> 00:20:28.349 -music -pr .com and so that's going through some 00:20:28.349 --> 00:20:30.609 updates

and a lot of changes on there from the 00:20:30.609 --> 00:20:33.690 web designer but yeah so they can look me up 00:20:33.690 --> 00:20:35.769 or get in touch through as the image of golder 00:20:35.769 --> 00:20:38.730 or through son heroes music and say lots of updates 00:20:38.730 --> 00:20:42.369 coming lots of changes and website updates and 00:20:42.369 --> 00:20:45.789 i say new things coming so that's what it is 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:50.000 This conversation is a reminder of no matter 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.359 the industry, music, business, or anything in 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:57.680 between, relationships are what move everything 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:02.579 forward. Talent, skill, knowledge matter, and 00:21:02.579 --> 00:21:05.000 they only go as far as the right connections 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:09.539 and the ability to communicate value early. When 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:12.160 you combine both, opportunities begin to show 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.759 up in ways you didn't expect. Take one step this 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.759 week. Reach out to someone in your network and 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:21.440 continue a conversation. Whether it's creative 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:25.299 or business, relationships grow through consistency. 00:21:26.180 --> 00:21:29.380 If you found value in today's episode, make sure 00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:31.599 you like, follow, and subscribe to Networking 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:34.299 Unleashed, building profitable connections so 00:21:34.299 --> 00:21:36.740 you keep getting the best insights on networking 00:21:36.740 --> 00:21:40.119 and communication. and share this episode with 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.720 someone who wants to turn their passion into 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:46.019 real opportunity. If you help strengthening your 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:48.579 communication and building relationships that 00:21:48.579 --> 00:21:51.880 lead to results, visit Michael A. Foreman to 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.980 learn how I work with professionals, teams, and 00:21:54.980 --> 00:21:58.460 organizations. So until next time, stay creative, 00:21:58.619 --> 00:22:01.619 stay connected, and build relationships that 00:22:01.619 --> 00:22:05.160 turn passion into profit. Liam, thank you again 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.079 for coming on my podcast. Thank you so much. 00:22:07.579 --> 00:22:10.140 You're wonderful. Oh, thank you. It's been amazing. 00:22:10.259 --> 00:22:12.539 I really appreciate it. And great talking to 00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:18.960 you, Michael. Well, hold on, folks. Don't go 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.319 anywhere. Let's hear from our sponsors. David 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.809 Neal, co -founder, Revved Up Kids. Revved Up 00:22:25.809 --> 00:22:28.630 Kids is on a mission to protect children and 00:22:28.630 --> 00:22:32.589 teens from sexual abuse, exploitation, and trafficking. 00:22:32.869 --> 00:22:36.069 They provide prevention training programs for 00:22:36.069 --> 00:22:39.609 children, teens, and adults. To learn more, go 00:22:39.609 --> 00:22:43.970 to revvedupkids .org. Henry Kaplan, Century 21. 00:22:44.490 --> 00:22:46.730 When it comes to making the biggest financial 00:22:46.730 --> 00:22:49.690 decision of your life, leave it in the hands 00:22:49.690 --> 00:22:53.009 of a proven professional, Henry Kaplan. Henry 00:22:53.009 --> 00:22:56.170 is a global real estate agent with Century 21, 00:22:56.369 --> 00:23:00.349 celebrating his 41st year in business. No matter 00:23:00.349 --> 00:23:03.009 where you're moving, Henry has the right connections 00:23:03.009 --> 00:23:09.990 for you. You can contact Henry at 561 -427 -4888. 00:23:10.630 --> 00:23:13.670 A huge thank you to our guests for sharing such... 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.380 insights today. And of course, a big shout out 00:23:17.380 --> 00:23:20.700 to you, our amazing listeners, for tuning in 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:23.599 and spending your time with us. If you're interested 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.940 in my digital courses, being coached or having 00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:30.079 me come and talk to your company, just go to 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.299 Michael and fill out the request form. Remember, 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.940 networking isn't about being perfect. It's about 00:23:36.940 --> 00:23:39.880 being present. So take what you've learned today, 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.680 get out there and make some meaningful connections. 00:23:43.390 --> 00:23:46.309 If you've enjoyed this episode, please don't 00:23:46.309 --> 00:23:49.650 forget to subscribe. Leave us a review and share 00:23:49.650 --> 00:23:51.869 it with someone who could use a little networking 00:23:51.869 --> 00:23:54.869 inspiration. Let's keep the conversation going. 00:23:55.049 --> 00:23:59.589 You can find me on Apple, Spotify, Pandora, YouTube, 00:23:59.730 --> 00:24:04.390 or my website, foreman .com slash podcasts.