התמלול המלא של Can Your Mind Reverse Chronic Pain in Minutes? | Brandy Gillmore

grateful for. 62 00:04:18.983 --> 00:04:22.185 And if I had to do everything myself, it would be impossible. 63 00:04:22.305 --> 00:04:23.566 But at the time... 64 00:04:24.346 --> 00:04:34.296 of my injury when I wasn't healing, that was definitely a thought that came into my mind at some point was, well, if you want something done right, you better do it yourself. 65 00:04:34.836 --> 00:04:35.797 I better figure this out. 66 00:04:35.817 --> 00:04:43.745 So I would say a variety of different influences and a lot of determination and desperation. 67 00:04:44.590 --> 00:04:45.431 A couple of cool things. 68 00:04:45.631 --> 00:04:49.295 I happened to share my birthday with my father-in-law. 69 00:04:49.395 --> 00:04:50.997 So my wife's father. 70 00:04:51.778 --> 00:04:55.162 And then also my nephew, my brother, called me one day and was like, you have to share your birthday. 71 00:04:55.282 --> 00:04:59.086 And it just sounded like a horrible thing your brother tells you. 72 00:04:59.587 --> 00:05:02.250 Like I don't know why so simple-minded I was. 73 00:05:02.270 --> 00:05:03.431 It was like, I don't know. 74 00:05:03.651 --> 00:05:04.152 I'm not doing that. 75 00:05:04.512 --> 00:05:06.292 And then I realized my nephew was born on that day. 76 00:05:06.312 --> 00:05:08.193 So that's really cool. 77 00:05:08.913 --> 00:05:10.633 So it wasn't bad. 78 00:05:10.673 --> 00:05:11.793 Say that again. 79 00:05:12.454 --> 00:05:13.814 Then I said, then it wasn't bad. 80 00:05:13.994 --> 00:05:14.454 Then it was good. 81 00:05:14.474 --> 00:05:15.754 Yeah, no, it's good. 82 00:05:15.794 --> 00:05:16.854 Like it worked out good. 83 00:05:17.195 --> 00:05:18.335 And it's certainly with my wife. 84 00:05:18.375 --> 00:05:19.555 Like we have an amazing relationship. 85 00:05:19.575 --> 00:05:20.375 So that worked out. 86 00:05:20.555 --> 00:05:23.176 Her first kind of response was like, I hate Gemini's, right? 87 00:05:23.196 --> 00:05:24.516 So I'm a Gemini. 88 00:05:25.136 --> 00:05:27.077 And I was like, well, I'm different. 89 00:05:27.177 --> 00:05:30.237 But then there's, of course, a lot of similarities between her father and I. 90 00:05:30.277 --> 00:05:31.837 And she points that out regularly. 91 00:05:31.857 --> 00:05:33.218 She's like, that's not my issue. 92 00:05:37.562 --> 00:05:38.223 I am who I am. 93 00:05:38.243 --> 00:05:39.305 So that's kind of fun. 94 00:05:39.665 --> 00:05:40.967 How about entrepreneurship, right? 95 00:05:40.987 --> 00:05:48.017 So you're clearly an entrepreneurship, an entrepreneur, like anybody as you were growing up was entrepreneurial? 96 00:05:48.672 --> 00:05:51.734 Well, you know, actually, my father owned his own company. 97 00:05:51.834 --> 00:05:53.876 My stepfather owned his own company. 98 00:05:53.956 --> 00:05:55.737 So there was that. 99 00:05:55.817 --> 00:06:00.780 But if you had asked me if I was entrepreneurial, I would not have said that. 100 00:06:00.880 --> 00:06:05.303 I mean, I used to work in

the corporate world. 101 00:06:05.363 --> 00:06:06.985 I worked in telecommunications. 102 00:06:08.706 --> 00:06:11.708 And I didn't plan on becoming entrepreneurial. 103 00:06:12.148 --> 00:06:13.169 They kind of just happened. 104 00:06:13.729 --> 00:06:15.650 I just, after I healed myself, 105 00:06:16.571 --> 00:06:19.538 I just wanted to show other people that they could do it too. 106 00:06:19.578 --> 00:06:21.142 And I still never saw it as a career. 107 00:06:21.162 --> 00:06:26.273 Like I was actually going back to network engineering operations, all of that. 108 00:06:27.599 --> 00:06:43.807 But then I was just helping people and it kind of unfolded where I ended up basically working with my last doctor and then starting to show people, you know, coach people on how to heal and use their mind and all of these things. 109 00:06:43.827 --> 00:06:45.648 So it just kind of unfolded. 110 00:06:45.668 --> 00:06:48.350 It was the last thing that I would have thought I would be doing. 111 00:06:49.430 --> 00:06:55.132 So working in IT, and I want to unwrap a little bit, but there's a really interesting kind of crossover here. 112 00:06:55.713 --> 00:07:00.915 As you're getting back into this IT career, you're helping people. 113 00:07:00.935 --> 00:07:02.175 What does that look like? 114 00:07:02.495 --> 00:07:04.196 Did just people kind of seek you out? 115 00:07:04.516 --> 00:07:07.877 I know at some point there was a TED Talk, but I think that was much later. 116 00:07:08.618 --> 00:07:09.618 How do you start helping? 117 00:07:09.698 --> 00:07:14.620 Like I tend to help my friends and provide guidance or whatever, but it sounds bigger than that. 118 00:07:15.823 --> 00:07:26.185 Yeah, basically, after I healed, there were people around me who said, well, I've had this pain, or I've had this problem, or this, and so I kind of just started showing them what I did. 119 00:07:26.325 --> 00:07:38.528 Now, it was interesting, because when I healed was around 2010, and I thought initially, you know, people are going to think that I'm crazy that I healed with my mind, and not only that, but... 120 00:07:40.617 --> 00:07:45.283 I don't like to speak on things unless I fully, fully, fully understand it myself, right? 121 00:07:45.623 --> 00:07:47.986 And I thought people are going to think like, how did she heal with the mind? 122 00:07:48.026 --> 00:07:52.912 So technically what happened is after I healed, everybody was amazed. 123 00:07:53.813 --> 00:07:55.175 And so what I started doing... 124 00:07:57.263 --> 00:07:59.304 First, I was going back to tech. 125 00:07:59.324 --> 00:08:02.486 So I got my convergent network technology certification. 126 00:08:02.507 --> 00:08:06.709 I was getting recertified on all of the things because I had to be out like seven years at that point. 127 00:08:07.270 --> 00:08:09.351 And everything has changed. 128 00:08:09.431 --> 00:08:10.512 It's all different. 129 00:08:11.273 --> 00:08:14.155 I used to work on something called Frame Really, and I don't even think they have it anymore. 130 00:08:14.355 --> 00:08:16.697 So all kinds of things, all kinds of tech. 131 00:08:16.717 --> 00:08:18.518 But anyways, so... 132 00:08:19.948 --> 00:08:28.476 Basically, long story short, once I got better, I was basically kind of helping people with nutrition, right? 133 00:08:28.516 --> 00:08:42.769 So I would help people and I'd say, you know, make sure to get water and your protein and vegetables and da-da-da-da-da and all of these things and maybe plant-based protein or whatever type, but get some type of protein and water and all of the things and supplements and whatnot. 134 00:08:43.109 --> 00:08:43.750 And then I was like... 135 00:08:44.931 --> 00:08:47.613 Well, you know, stress affects the body too. 136 00:08:47.733 --> 00:08:49.674 Let's talk about that, right? 137 00:08:49.894 --> 00:09:02.743 And so I would just, and then I would go, yeah, if you were maybe feeling some, you know, resentment towards your son or something like that or towards your spouse, and he would be like, oh my gosh, that's exactly what's going on. 138 00:09:02.784 --> 00:09:04.525 And then I would say, oh, well, let's talk about that. 139 00:09:04.925 --> 00:09:06.566 Yeah, it was a very ginger approach. 140 00:09:06.646 --> 00:09:08.267 Like you didn't have the confidence. 141 00:09:08.307 --> 00:09:14.332 Like I know ultimately, like in my case, in your case, it was a lot of emotions that you had to deal with. 142 00:09:14.952 --> 00:09:19.155 And so you didn't just kind of jump in with like, yeah, you're probably angry at your son or whatever. 143 00:09:19.755 --> 00:09:20.856 And you need to fix that. 144 00:09:20.916 --> 00:09:23.598 You started with, oh, what about stress? 145 00:09:23.658 --> 00:09:26.460 And where does it like you had this kind of softer approach? 146 00:09:27.201 --> 00:09:28.101 Super delicate. 147 00:09:28.181 --> 00:09:30.163 And even in the beginning, I was like, 148 00:09:31.522 --> 00:09:39.244 I would even tell people, well, why don't you go to therapy and work on this, et cetera, et cetera, and just work on it because I was very hands off. 149 00:09:39.884 --> 00:09:45.165 And just like I was at that point, I got certified in nutrition, and so that's what I was doing. 150 00:09:45.205 --> 00:09:49.326 And then I would know what was going on with intuition. 151 00:09:49.346 --> 00:09:50.766 Intuitively, I would know. 152 00:09:51.346 --> 00:09:57.547 And so I would just kind of delicately inquire and then say, well, why don't you work on that as well? 153 00:09:57.607 --> 00:10:00.508 So it was very delicate and hands off. 154 00:10:00.976 --> 00:10:03.697 Okay, so this is great. 155 00:10:03.757 --> 00:10:04.977 I want to come back to this. 156 00:10:05.197 --> 00:10:16.381 I want to go, let's go back a little bit and then we'll move forward into really like what sent you kind of spiraling down so that you could come up with solutions for yourself

so then you could share solutions with people. 157 00:10:16.821 --> 00:10:18.862 How did you end up in networking engineering? 158 00:10:18.942 --> 00:10:22.003 Not typically a female endeavor, right? 159 00:10:22.083 --> 00:10:24.443 So you're outside the box at that time. 160 00:10:24.483 --> 00:10:25.944 What led you down that path? 161 00:10:26.693 --> 00:10:29.896 You know, I had always been really, really good at math. 162 00:10:30.837 --> 00:10:33.059 So that was like I was a math. 163 00:10:33.119 --> 00:10:35.781 I mean, in seventh grade, I was the only person in the school in geometry. 164 00:10:35.801 --> 00:10:37.302 Like I had my own little class. 165 00:10:37.363 --> 00:10:42.607 I was a self-study in a back class in that. 166 00:10:42.627 --> 00:10:44.789 There was no one there to even call you a geek. 167 00:10:44.909 --> 00:10:45.330 Like that's – 168 00:10:45.810 --> 00:10:46.691 I know, right? 169 00:10:46.811 --> 00:10:51.877 Except for freshman year in high school, I was the only freshman in trig. 170 00:10:52.017 --> 00:10:53.199 And so they called me the freshman. 171 00:10:53.219 --> 00:10:57.223 So all the seniors were in the class would say, hey, freshman, can you help me out? 172 00:10:57.484 --> 00:11:01.068 And we would joke back and forth because I was, yeah, it was, we had so much fun. 173 00:11:02.029 --> 00:11:02.289 But 174 00:11:03.230 --> 00:11:06.652 I had always been fast with math and figuring out problems. 175 00:11:06.792 --> 00:11:12.235 And so and I had also really, really wanted to leave Washington and go back to California. 176 00:11:12.295 --> 00:11:15.917 So basically at that time, tech was booming. 177 00:11:16.157 --> 00:11:16.378 Right. 178 00:11:16.438 --> 00:11:20.380 I mean, tech was I mean, America Online was my customer. 179 00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:22.681 who I ended up supporting. 180 00:11:22.701 --> 00:11:26.082 So that tells you, I mean, that tech was booming. 181 00:11:26.122 --> 00:11:33.204 So I went from Washington, moved to California, and then I, and I had, basically I finished high school early. 182 00:11:33.644 --> 00:11:36.545 And so my high school started allowing me to go to the college. 183 00:11:36.765 --> 00:11:41.707 So then I was going to college and high school at the same time, just finishing up a couple of classes and whatnot. 184 00:11:42.267 --> 00:11:49.790 And then, and then I moved to California and I was like, let me get, get out away from this cold and snow and all of the things. 185 00:11:50.390 --> 00:11:50.570 And, 186 00:11:52.392 --> 00:11:53.393 And then tech. 187 00:11:53.553 --> 00:11:55.214 So and then I got hired in tech support. 188 00:11:55.295 --> 00:11:58.338 And then I started to go into like there was like tech skills. 189 00:11:58.518 --> 00:12:04.023 So I went to tech skills and got my worked on my Cisco certified network CCNT. 190 00:12:04.323 --> 00:12:09.268 And so I was working on all of the certifications and it just was just booming. 191 00:12:09.528 --> 00:12:11.730 So that's how I ended up in tech. 192 00:12:12.371 --> 00:12:15.994 That was something very natural for you, like from the beginning. 193 00:12:16.314 --> 00:12:21.198 And during all this, you're in Taekwondo, like competing at a pretty high level. 194 00:12:21.498 --> 00:12:25.120 What did that kind of workload balance look like? 195 00:12:25.241 --> 00:12:28.603 I mean, maybe some of the timeframe is off, but share with me that, please. 196 00:12:28.843 --> 00:12:31.366 I actually, I left martial arts at that point. 197 00:12:31.446 --> 00:12:32.948 So I, yeah. 198 00:12:32.968 --> 00:12:34.509 That was a Washington thing mostly. 199 00:12:35.010 --> 00:12:35.210 Yeah. 200 00:12:35.370 --> 00:12:38.674 When I left Washington, I left martial arts and, uh, yeah, no. 201 00:12:38.734 --> 00:12:43.139 So work was pretty full on, uh, busy and work friends life. 202 00:12:44.140 --> 00:12:45.782 Um, bought my first house when I was 19. 203 00:12:46.282 --> 00:12:48.324 So, uh, so yeah, it was a lot of busyness. 204 00:12:48.985 --> 00:12:50.848 You really wanted out of Washington. 205 00:12:51.489 --> 00:12:52.410 So bad. 206 00:12:52.530 --> 00:12:54.553 I would literally, I don't love cold. 207 00:12:54.693 --> 00:12:57.016 I would literally tell, I would probably say like every day. 208 00:12:57.176 --> 00:12:58.618 I'm going to move to California when I turn 18. 209 00:13:00.827 --> 00:13:10.012 So my parents are from Oregon and they always described and I don't know what you know how that carries up into Washington, but they are into Washington. 210 00:13:10.032 --> 00:13:14.594 But they always said that the people who are too weird for California went to Oregon. 211 00:13:14.974 --> 00:13:17.096 So it's a it's a bunch of fun people. 212 00:13:17.136 --> 00:13:19.237 My relatives are interesting characters. 213 00:13:21.117 --> 00:13:22.538 That sounds, they sound fun. 214 00:13:22.739 --> 00:13:24.962 And that does seem to make a lot of sense. 215 00:13:25.582 --> 00:13:25.823 Okay. 216 00:13:26.303 --> 00:13:26.564 All right. 217 00:13:26.584 --> 00:13:28.506 So you've got this great career. 218 00:13:28.526 --> 00:13:32.752 You've got this house at such an early age, and then disaster strikes. 219 00:13:33.092 --> 00:13:35.055 Walk us through what happened, please. 220 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.766 Basically, I had a car accident and then I was like kind of had a messed up back. 221 00:13:41.106 --> 00:13:49.976 So then I had like, you know, the TENS unit and back pain and whatnot, you know, just ongoing back pain and all of the things. 222 00:13:50.196 --> 00:13:50.977 And I had that. 223 00:13:51.117 --> 00:13:53.179 And then I had a fall. 224 00:13:54.040 --> 00:13:55.581 And basically, I... 225 00:13:55.641 --> 00:13:56.302 Hold on one second. 226 00:13:56.322 --> 00:13:59.605 So is this the kind of car accident, like the car rolls? 227 00:13:59.905 --> 00:14:08.091 Or was it just something that, you know,

maybe it wasn't that severe in terms of the car crash, but it just affected you dramatically? 228 00:14:08.472 --> 00:14:09.893 Yeah, I was twisted. 229 00:14:09.973 --> 00:14:12.875 The car came up and hit the front end. 230 00:14:12.995 --> 00:14:15.177 Oh, so it spun you around. 231 00:14:15.237 --> 00:14:18.479 Yeah, just tweet, whatever you want to go. 232 00:14:18.499 --> 00:14:18.760 Yeah. 233 00:14:18.880 --> 00:14:21.061 So it was, it wasn't, I wasn't... 234 00:14:22.002 --> 00:14:23.803 No rolling cars. 235 00:14:23.823 --> 00:14:29.348 It wasn't on the news, but like it was on your – I don't need that. 236 00:14:29.768 --> 00:14:31.409 I don't need to have the worst things in the world. 237 00:14:31.429 --> 00:14:34.892 You know, that I will always – that's the thing. 238 00:14:34.932 --> 00:14:41.777 Like, you know, I see people, you know, working with the minds who will end up getting linked up like a pride in hardship. 239 00:14:42.117 --> 00:14:46.140 You know, like kind of there's an example, you know, kind of like this. 240 00:14:46.180 --> 00:14:52.764 If you've ever heard somebody say this where somebody says, I had a bad day and somebody else says, you think that was bad? 241 00:14:53.104 --> 00:14:54.726 Let me tell you about my day. 242 00:14:55.106 --> 00:14:57.608 Now, what they're doing is they're one-upping. 243 00:14:57.668 --> 00:15:01.410 They're winning at having the worst day or the worst childhood or the worst whatever it is. 244 00:15:01.430 --> 00:15:04.452 And I'm always like, I don't want to win that game. 245 00:15:04.752 --> 00:15:06.634 That is the one game I don't want to win. 246 00:15:06.654 --> 00:15:07.174 Yeah. 247 00:15:07.374 --> 00:15:09.816 Yeah, I'm happy not winning that game. 248 00:15:10.116 --> 00:15:14.579 So you were already in severe pain after the car accident, right? 249 00:15:14.739 --> 00:15:16.600 And you talked about TENS units. 250 00:15:16.620 --> 00:15:18.602 They're trying to kind of work on your spine. 251 00:15:18.802 --> 00:15:20.023 Like, what are they doing at this point? 252 00:15:20.063 --> 00:15:21.304 I already had pain. 253 00:15:21.344 --> 00:15:23.045 I didn't know that I would call it severe. 254 00:15:23.065 --> 00:15:25.106 So I was really good at pushing through. 255 00:15:25.186 --> 00:15:25.807 That was me. 256 00:15:25.867 --> 00:15:28.709 Like, I even... One year, I won the Junior Olympics. 257 00:15:29.449 --> 00:15:31.331 I medaled in the Junior Olympics. 258 00:15:31.391 --> 00:15:33.752 And I think I got, like, a first and a third in the Junior Olympics. 259 00:15:34.032 --> 00:15:34.293 And... 260 00:15:35.133 --> 00:15:37.876 I dislocated my hip like two days before. 261 00:15:38.516 --> 00:15:40.839 And I still did all of the things. 262 00:15:40.859 --> 00:15:45.263 So I was somebody who was like, push through anything, just keep going. 263 00:15:45.503 --> 00:15:46.805 So, yes, I had. 264 00:15:46.885 --> 00:15:49.107 I assume you karate kidded that. 265 00:15:49.247 --> 00:15:52.670 Like that had to be how you won that tournament is you karate kidded the. 266 00:15:52.730 --> 00:15:57.355 Sorry. 267 00:15:57.375 --> 00:15:57.976 Pretty much. 268 00:16:00.137 --> 00:16:00.817 Your hip is out. 269 00:16:00.897 --> 00:16:02.478 So I don't know. 270 00:16:02.498 --> 00:16:03.979 I did get it popped in right before. 271 00:16:03.999 --> 00:16:05.159 Yeah. 272 00:16:05.199 --> 00:16:06.420 So but this is a testament. 273 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:07.801 Like, you know how to push through. 274 00:16:07.921 --> 00:16:09.101 You know how to work hard. 275 00:16:09.161 --> 00:16:10.902 You know how to endure pain. 276 00:16:11.002 --> 00:16:12.303 So, OK, so go on. 277 00:16:12.901 --> 00:16:13.101 Yeah. 278 00:16:13.521 --> 00:16:13.721 Yeah. 279 00:16:13.881 --> 00:16:22.083 Which my, my, yeah, there was a whole nother thing, but, um, but anyway, so, yeah, so I would just push, I was pushing through, I was in pain. 280 00:16:22.123 --> 00:16:22.443 Yes. 281 00:16:22.743 --> 00:16:32.786 Um, but I was still working and doing and being and, and, uh, and then basically long story short, I, uh, I fell, I slipped and fell and I fell just wrong, just right. 282 00:16:32.866 --> 00:16:36.587 However you want to say it, but I fell right down on my spine and, and, uh, 283 00:16:37.207 --> 00:16:40.109 Basically ended up with a whole long list of ailments. 284 00:16:40.149 --> 00:16:45.473 And after that, I was like, you know, of course they were, you know, they had to carry me to the car. 285 00:16:47.315 --> 00:16:48.856 And everybody kept saying, we need to get an ambulance. 286 00:16:48.876 --> 00:16:49.656 We need to get an ambulance. 287 00:16:49.677 --> 00:16:50.237 We need to get an ambulance. 288 00:16:50.257 --> 00:16:51.458 And I was like, I don't want one. 289 00:16:52.018 --> 00:16:55.121 There was a nurse there on site and she said, move your head. 290 00:16:55.161 --> 00:16:55.921 And I moved my head. 291 00:16:55.941 --> 00:16:59.064 I couldn't, the rest of my body wasn't moving so well. 292 00:16:59.464 --> 00:17:03.107 But I got her enough to appease her enough that they then carried me 293 00:17:03.927 --> 00:17:04.688 Uh, to the car. 294 00:17:04.768 --> 00:17:06.108 And then I was like, you just resist it. 295 00:17:06.148 --> 00:17:06.849 No, I don't need it. 296 00:17:06.889 --> 00:17:07.549 I don't need it. 297 00:17:07.649 --> 00:17:13.072 And then, so, uh, I think it was either, I don't know, it was on, I think it was on a weekend day, Saturday or Sunday. 298 00:17:13.252 --> 00:17:19.176 But by that, basically after that, I ended up making an appointment first thing Monday or something like that. 299 00:17:19.256 --> 00:17:19.656 I don't know. 300 00:17:19.816 --> 00:17:23.078 It was 23 years ago now. 301 00:17:23.258 --> 00:17:30.522 So, uh, but, uh, yeah, but it was, uh, it just felt like it continued to inflame and get worse and worse. 302 00:17:30.542 --> 00:17:30.702 Yeah. 303

00:17:30.922 --> 00:17:31.622 from there. 304 00:17:31.742 --> 00:17:35.843 And so I kept trying to push through and push through because I had always done that. 305 00:17:36.003 --> 00:17:41.225 I always pushed through and it didn't work so well. 306 00:17:41.605 --> 00:17:44.965 So you had left taekwondo in Washington. 307 00:17:45.286 --> 00:17:48.046 What was your activity or were you kind of fairly active? 308 00:17:48.086 --> 00:17:48.966 Were you jogging? 309 00:17:48.986 --> 00:17:51.267 What were you doing to keep in shape, if anything? 310 00:17:52.827 --> 00:17:54.108 I was working a lot. 311 00:17:56.692 --> 00:17:57.532 Potentially nothing. 312 00:17:58.973 --> 00:17:59.453 I was worried. 313 00:17:59.473 --> 00:17:59.993 I was fit. 314 00:18:00.033 --> 00:18:03.675 You know, I would go, you know, yeah, I would do all kinds of things. 315 00:18:03.715 --> 00:18:10.998 I don't know that I had one particular gym sport at the time, but anything like, yeah. 316 00:18:11.098 --> 00:18:14.259 So I, gosh, I mean, sometimes we went down. 317 00:18:14.699 --> 00:18:15.079 Yeah. 318 00:18:15.099 --> 00:18:16.360 I mean, just living is a. 319 00:18:17.722 --> 00:18:19.863 I don't know exactly, to be honest with you. 320 00:18:19.883 --> 00:18:20.383 I'm like 23 years old. 321 00:18:20.403 --> 00:18:24.265 You were active, but maybe not exercising per se, right? 322 00:18:24.285 --> 00:18:26.286 Like it was just getting out. 323 00:18:27.806 --> 00:18:28.386 All right. 324 00:18:28.706 --> 00:18:30.467 So you have this fall. 325 00:18:30.767 --> 00:18:32.288 You're trying to push through the weekend. 326 00:18:32.308 --> 00:18:35.949 The situation is, are you struggling to get out of bed? 327 00:18:36.009 --> 00:18:41.952 Like what were you experiencing that said, okay, I'm going to the doctor on Monday? 328 00:18:43.608 --> 00:18:53.951 Uh, extreme pain, limited mobility, um, hard time walking, um, uh, extreme pain. 329 00:18:54.031 --> 00:18:58.073 Just, uh, I felt like my body was like inflamed. 330 00:18:58.953 --> 00:19:04.535 Um, and, uh, yeah, that I was a mess. 331 00:19:06.479 --> 00:19:07.960 So you get to the doctor. 332 00:19:08.641 --> 00:19:10.101 What are their first thoughts? 333 00:19:10.181 --> 00:19:14.424 Oh, we got to fix your – inspect, you know, whatever, x-ray your spine. 334 00:19:14.704 --> 00:19:18.786 Maybe there's something out of whack or like what are they coming up with right away? 335 00:19:19.285 --> 00:19:20.166 I would say, yeah. 336 00:19:20.206 --> 00:19:27.636 I would say, oh, actually in the car, because the way I got the nurse to be appeased is I said I would call my doctor. 337 00:19:27.676 --> 00:19:28.817 So I called my doctor. 338 00:19:29.318 --> 00:19:34.264 They increased some medication that I had already been on. 339 00:19:34.785 --> 00:19:36.146 So that was – so then – 340 00:19:36.727 --> 00:19:39.470 Basically, I said, maybe I, that's how I appeased everybody. 341 00:19:39.490 --> 00:19:43.253

I said, you know, I probably just flared up whatever was previously going on. 342 00:19:43.273 --> 00:19:47.737 So I was just trying to minimize all of that. 343 00:19:48.037 --> 00:19:56.184 And then, so I think he just increased my medication, went in for an MRI, x-rays. 344 00:19:57.305 --> 00:19:59.828 You know, to be honest with you, a lot of it is a blur. 345 00:20:00.568 --> 00:20:02.469 So I'm getting that sense. 346 00:20:02.509 --> 00:20:02.709 Yeah. 347 00:20:03.409 --> 00:20:03.609 Yeah. 348 00:20:04.030 --> 00:20:05.050 Yeah. 349 00:20:05.150 --> 00:20:06.331 I just noticed something interesting. 350 00:20:06.411 --> 00:20:11.513 You kind of have the symbol of a spine behind you in the image with the rocks. 351 00:20:11.753 --> 00:20:14.434 And I don't know if you've ever thought about that. 352 00:20:15.895 --> 00:20:17.475 I have not actually. 353 00:20:17.655 --> 00:20:18.896 But there we go. 354 00:20:19.516 --> 00:20:25.399 And then and then what's contrasting the kind of non not perfect spine? 355 00:20:26.399 --> 00:20:27.339 It's beautiful. 356 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.240 Actually, there's some really telling stuff there. 357 00:20:29.620 --> 00:20:29.900 All right. 358 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:32.581 So you go to this initial appointment, you're increasing. 359 00:20:33.441 --> 00:20:34.341 What's your life like? 360 00:20:34.921 --> 00:20:36.062 Do you go back to work? 361 00:20:36.142 --> 00:20:39.883 Like, are you back at your IT job or trying to be back? 362 00:20:40.023 --> 00:20:41.403 Like, what does that look like? 363 00:20:41.743 --> 00:20:42.504 I try to. 364 00:20:42.604 --> 00:20:47.545 I actually, I lived in Sacramento at the time and I had just moved to a different tech. 365 00:20:48.645 --> 00:20:50.106 I started working in East Bay. 366 00:20:50.126 --> 00:20:54.867 So I started working in Oakland at the time for Nextel, actually, at the time. 367 00:20:56.032 --> 00:20:59.833 And so I had a co-worker. 368 00:21:00.494 --> 00:21:01.594 I said, look, I've been injured. 369 00:21:01.614 --> 00:21:07.296 And I was somebody like, I mean, if I had ever been, like, had a cold, I would grab a bottle of cough syrup and sip on it at my desk. 370 00:21:07.356 --> 00:21:08.696 I mean, that was the type of person. 371 00:21:08.716 --> 00:21:09.596 I didn't miss work. 372 00:21:09.636 --> 00:21:10.797 I didn't miss, you know. 373 00:21:11.417 --> 00:21:16.458 So I went in and I had her drive me and I was laying down the whole road, the whole time. 374 00:21:16.878 --> 00:21:20.819 And then I got in and I got to the elevator in the, there was a parking garage. 375 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:22.080 So I got into the elevator. 376 00:21:23.080 --> 00:21:26.562 like hobbled into it and then I was just in tears. 377 00:21:26.662 --> 00:21:29.304 I was like, and so I laid in the car the entire rest. 378 00:21:29.384 --> 00:21:30.845 I was just like, I just, I can't. 379 00:21:31.325 --> 00:21:36.408 So I laid in the car the rest of the rest and I said, I'm fine. 380 00:21:37.429 --> 00:21:40.391 Just have your day and then drive me back, please. 381 00:21:40.891 --> 00:21:47.215 So I think there was that and I kept trying to push through and then I told my work, hey, I'm just going to take a couple weeks off. 382 00:21:47.775 --> 00:21:52.419 And they said, OK. And then I was getting all the MRIs and then going to see another doctor. 383 00:21:52.499 --> 00:21:53.480 And is that the other? 384 00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:55.961 And then it was like one week turned into like another month. 385 00:21:56.001 --> 00:21:57.783 And then I was like, OK, it's going to be one month. 386 00:21:57.843 --> 00:21:58.964 And then I kept like. 387 00:21:59.004 --> 00:22:05.369 So then it was like kind of just moving out that my job held my they held my position for a long time, like two years or something. 388 00:22:05.429 --> 00:22:07.430 A really long time. 389 00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:11.534 I don't know the exact amount of time, but I remember somebody going, gosh, they really want you to come back. 390 00:22:11.554 --> 00:22:13.255 I can't believe they're still holding your job for you. 391 00:22:13.795 --> 00:22:17.518 And what are, like, what's going on at these appointments, right? 392 00:22:17.538 --> 00:22:19.920 Like, they're, again, inspecting the spine. 393 00:22:20.081 --> 00:22:28.808 You know, this is, I think it's got a particular name that they give it, which probably is one of those names, which means we don't know what exactly is, what it is, right? 394 00:22:29.048 --> 00:22:39.437 I mean, at first, I mean, there was, I don't know, there was, what, spondylosis, and then there was spinal implant fractures, and... 395 00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:42.850 Nerve lesions. 396 00:22:42.870 --> 00:22:47.111 So I think one of the first ones was maybe nerve lesions, spondylosis. 397 00:22:47.931 --> 00:22:49.831 Then there was synovial cysts. 398 00:22:50.651 --> 00:22:55.132 Then a doctor mentioned it was like a Coke can. 399 00:22:55.192 --> 00:22:59.413 If you take a Coke can and you squish it down, it's squishing on the nerves. 400 00:23:01.153 --> 00:23:03.474 So it was a process. 401 00:23:03.514 --> 00:23:06.334 Then eventually it became adding in osteopenia. 402 00:23:08.334 --> 00:23:09.995 Then somebody... Then... 403 00:23:11.775 --> 00:23:23.947 My physical therapist was the one that was like, because I had extreme pain and she was like, cause there's a rare reflex neuro dystrophy, which is also called CRPS. 404 00:23:24.107 --> 00:23:30.333 Then she was like, you know, I think you have something else that's very rare that's commonly overlooked. 405 00:23:30.353 --> 00:23:33.496 Cause you could just touch my skin and it could burn even more. 406 00:23:33.516 --> 00:23:33.877 Oh wow. 407 00:23:34.397 --> 00:23:35.819 And it was just so much pain. 408 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.021 and heat and cold and all of the things. 409 00:23:39.081 --> 00:23:41.182 And so then that became

a whole... 410 00:23:41.282 --> 00:23:42.323 So it was an unfoldment. 411 00:23:42.343 --> 00:23:44.385 But basically, it was like this. 412 00:23:45.285 --> 00:23:47.667 It was a waiting game to get into the next specialist. 413 00:23:47.747 --> 00:23:53.731 So it was basically when one doctor said, there's nothing else you could do for you, then I would literally beg them. 414 00:23:53.751 --> 00:23:56.573 I would say, look, I need something. 415 00:23:56.613 --> 00:23:57.434 I need somebody. 416 00:23:57.474 --> 00:23:59.415 They would say, well, there's this person here. 417 00:23:59.475 --> 00:24:02.057 So then I would get an appointment with that other person. 418 00:24:02.557 --> 00:24:03.238 And then it was... 419 00:24:04.588 --> 00:24:07.650 Two weeks away, four weeks away, six weeks away, whatever amount away. 420 00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:20.237 And then it was just like a waiting game in that time, which was basically looks like being awake all night and day and just trying to get sleep and survive to the next day, to the next appointment. 421 00:24:21.198 --> 00:24:21.318 Wow. 422 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.462 Turns out there's a lot of infomercials on at 3 a.m. 423 00:24:30.024 --> 00:24:34.306 I remember all sorts of exercise and health equipment from from the infomercials. 424 00:24:35.247 --> 00:24:35.527 Yep. 425 00:24:35.767 --> 00:24:36.588 And don't get me wrong. 426 00:24:36.628 --> 00:24:37.628 I did buy some of those. 427 00:24:38.709 --> 00:24:45.213 I've always had the theory that you could buy those and be engaged with them enough instead of doing a gym membership. 428 00:24:46.742 --> 00:24:50.505 You just get the new one and then you stay – you're entertained by it for some period of time. 429 00:24:52.066 --> 00:24:55.629 Is the pain – because I saw pictures of you in a wheelchair. 430 00:24:56.069 --> 00:24:58.431 Is the pain kind of waist down? 431 00:24:58.611 --> 00:25:00.492 Is it your entire body? 432 00:25:00.672 --> 00:25:01.853 Yeah. 433 00:25:01.893 --> 00:25:02.494 No. 434 00:25:02.614 --> 00:25:04.115 You may have seen – I don't know if you saw it. 435 00:25:04.135 --> 00:25:09.139 There's a thermal imaging scan of my back where you can see pain from my neck. 436 00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:09.479 No. 437 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.941 I would have – my physical therapist, she would come over. 438 00:25:12.301 --> 00:25:13.542 Sometimes she would – 439 00:25:14.288 --> 00:25:15.368 not even getting paid for it. 440 00:25:15.388 --> 00:25:35.312 Like she would, on her own time, would be like, she would come over and she would take tape and she would try to tape me from the back, from the base of my neck all the way down to my feet and down my legs with like little different patterns and whatnot, trying to slightly lift the skin off of, to try to reduce pain and whatnot. 441 00:25:35.352 --> 00:25:38.233 So it was, no, it was throughout my body. 442 00:25:38.813 --> 00:25:39.093 So... 443 00:25:39.952 --> 00:25:49.038 And then, like, this feels already low enough, but then another really low moment happens as it relates to a study. 444 00:25:49.098 --> 00:25:50.819 Can you share that story, please? 445 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.300 Yeah, yeah. 446 00:25:53.320 --> 00:25:57.743 Yeah, so the low point was when I would hear the trash truck go by and I would think. 447 00:25:59.338 --> 00:26:03.380 I wonder if I could push my wheelchair out in front of it and just end it all. 448 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:04.520 Just throw me in. 449 00:26:05.221 --> 00:26:07.582 My brain just started going in the wrong direction. 450 00:26:08.282 --> 00:26:16.666 And that's an interesting point because I think most people have experienced, I don't know, super high fever or just a nagging pain. 451 00:26:16.766 --> 00:26:17.366 I remember even… 452 00:26:18.147 --> 00:26:21.150 I had scabies at one point and it was just so itchy. 453 00:26:21.170 --> 00:26:23.794 You're just like, oh my God, this needs to stop. 454 00:26:24.194 --> 00:26:29.821 Like, you just get into this mental state of like, okay, like there is a way that it will stop. 455 00:26:29.921 --> 00:26:31.343 Like we all know that way. 456 00:26:31.443 --> 00:26:32.944 I don't really want to go down. 457 00:26:33.125 --> 00:26:33.926 So you were there. 458 00:26:34.506 --> 00:26:36.387 Oh, yeah, I was I was there. 459 00:26:36.487 --> 00:26:39.748 But yeah, that was probably most one of the most frustrating feelings. 460 00:26:39.808 --> 00:26:46.371 It was just like if I could just get 10 minutes without pain, it would just be like that feeling of just make it like I just need this to stop. 461 00:26:46.891 --> 00:26:47.611 Yeah, that. 462 00:26:47.991 --> 00:26:49.872 Yeah, it was a mess. 463 00:26:50.372 --> 00:26:57.995 So then I was like looking at I was researching everything I could find because every single doctor kept saying, you know, there's nothing else we can do for you or else they would do some type of 464 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:08.489 injections or nerve ablations or infusions or lidocaine push or, you know, just different things at different times to try to reduce pain. 465 00:27:09.349 --> 00:27:13.293 And then and I was looking at like different countries. 466 00:27:13.353 --> 00:27:15.515 Okay, do I need to go here or there or whatever? 467 00:27:15.755 --> 00:27:20.699 And then I finally I got into this study and I thought, oh my God, this is it. 468 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:21.620 This is exactly. 469 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:22.801 I'm going to get my life back. 470 00:27:22.841 --> 00:27:24.502 And I was so stoked. 471 00:27:24.562 --> 00:27:25.263 I felt like 472 00:27:25.693 --> 00:27:27.774 a kid counting down the days to Christmas. 473 00:27:27.854 --> 00:27:31.297 I was literally like counting down the days to this study. 474 00:27:31.337 --> 00:27:40.042 The study came and it was funny because I actually, and I remember this clear as day, like I actually cared what I wore that day,

which I didn't care what I wore for a long period of time. 475 00:27:40.062 --> 00:27:40.763 At this point, yeah. 476 00:27:41.443 --> 00:27:45.026 And I was just, I felt like I was going to the hospital to get my life back. 477 00:27:45.666 --> 00:27:52.674 You know, and so and so like they took me, they wheeled me into my wheelchair and they got me all prepped for this procedure. 478 00:27:52.694 --> 00:28:02.706 And I'm laying there on the hospital bed just, you know, thinking about all of the things that I'm going to do and the places that I'm going to go and friends and family and just all of these things. 479 00:28:02.786 --> 00:28:04.888 And the doctor, he comes in. 480 00:28:05.937 --> 00:28:09.001 And when he came in, you could tell something was off. 481 00:28:09.061 --> 00:28:12.226 He just had kind of a little bit limited eye contact. 482 00:28:12.246 --> 00:28:13.527 He was just quiet. 483 00:28:13.588 --> 00:28:14.649 He was looking down. 484 00:28:14.669 --> 00:28:23.361 I was like, you know, and then basically said, you know, there's, he just said, you know, Miss Gilmore, I'm sorry, but you can't be a part of this study. 485 00:28:24.145 --> 00:28:27.066 We don't expect that you're going to get better. 486 00:28:27.086 --> 00:28:28.247 We don't expect it to help you. 487 00:28:29.147 --> 00:28:30.948 And so I begged him. 488 00:28:31.288 --> 00:28:33.089 I was like, but please, I'm willing. 489 00:28:33.149 --> 00:28:33.549 I'm willing. 490 00:28:33.569 --> 00:28:33.929 It's okay. 491 00:28:33.949 --> 00:28:36.931 Even if you don't think it's going to work, I'm still willing. 492 00:28:36.991 --> 00:28:43.233 And basically he said, long story short, he said I would ruin the results from the study. 493 00:28:43.293 --> 00:28:46.155 So he couldn't let me be a part. 494 00:28:47.075 --> 00:28:48.156 And at that point, I kind of... 495 00:28:49.582 --> 00:28:53.163 you know, pulled a little bit of a, like, I was, can I speak to your manager? 496 00:28:56.383 --> 00:28:57.684 Did you send in God, please? 497 00:28:57.784 --> 00:28:59.144 Like, I would like to have a conversation. 498 00:28:59.784 --> 00:29:01.524 Yeah. 499 00:29:01.684 --> 00:29:02.005 Yeah. 500 00:29:02.305 --> 00:29:10.766 And I don't know, he could have been the lead and I don't, it wasn't your manager, but I was like, can I speak to some, like, so he left and he came back and he was gone for a long period of time. 501 00:29:10.786 --> 00:29:13.767 I kind of wondered if he actually abandoned me and just was not coming back. 502 00:29:14.588 --> 00:29:25.764 And, uh, and eventually he came back and he said, look, we'll go ahead and give you the treatment, but you can't be a part of the actual study because we don't want you to ruin the results. 503 00:29:26.525 --> 00:29:28.488 And so I got the treatment, uh, 504 00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:32.050 Um, I don't remember going home that day. 505 00:29:32.930 --> 00:29:38.272 Um, I don't know what happened next, but the next

memory I have is I woke up in my same bed. 506 00:29:38.292 --> 00:29:40.793 You know, it's kind of like that waking up on Christmas morning. 507 00:29:40.813 --> 00:29:45.095 You're expecting as a kid, you're expecting all the moon and the stars and all these things. 508 00:29:45.155 --> 00:29:53.078 But the next memory I have is I woke up and I was still in so much pain and I was just like, um, 509 00:29:54.106 --> 00:29:54.666 It didn't work. 510 00:29:54.947 --> 00:29:57.288 And I just, at that point, I didn't want to open my eyes. 511 00:29:57.328 --> 00:29:58.328 I was just like, what's the point? 512 00:29:58.348 --> 00:29:59.149 I don't want to live. 513 00:29:59.949 --> 00:30:00.810 I can't do this. 514 00:30:00.890 --> 00:30:09.635 If that's, like, I can't live another 70 years or 50, however many years, I cannot do this anymore. 515 00:30:09.655 --> 00:30:12.957 Do you remember what that procedure was? 516 00:30:13.057 --> 00:30:17.840 Like, what was the trial about? 517 00:30:17.860 --> 00:30:19.641 I don't remember. 518 00:30:19.661 --> 00:30:21.021 I don't know. 519 00:30:21.182 --> 00:30:22.662 I don't even know if they ever told me. 520 00:30:23.323 --> 00:30:23.623 Mm-hmm. 521 00:30:24.309 --> 00:30:25.910 I don't know if they tell you what it is. 522 00:30:26.370 --> 00:30:29.711 But I do remember going leading up to the study thinking, you know, please don't get this. 523 00:30:30.071 --> 00:30:30.711 Please don't get this. 524 00:30:30.971 --> 00:30:34.132 The please don't get the placebo. 525 00:30:34.172 --> 00:30:35.052 I want the real thing. 526 00:30:35.092 --> 00:30:37.313 Please don't get the placebo. 527 00:30:37.773 --> 00:30:43.775 So what was interesting is that I was I was laying there and I was just like, I don't even want to live anymore. 528 00:30:43.795 --> 00:30:44.535 What's the point? 529 00:30:45.235 --> 00:30:50.357 Then I had this voice or thought come into my mind that was like, well, what about the placebo? 530 00:30:51.537 --> 00:30:53.258 And that was a big pivot for me. 531 00:30:55.011 --> 00:31:03.896 So it's kind of interesting because what you ended up getting was the opposite, was the nocebo effect, right? 532 00:31:04.117 --> 00:31:10.080 Like there is a potential that that strategy, that treatment actually works. 533 00:31:10.460 --> 00:31:14.623 But he convinced you before you went into it that it wasn't going to work for you. 534 00:31:15.288 --> 00:31:18.270 You know, honestly, I've thought about it, and there's a lot of potentials. 535 00:31:18.290 --> 00:31:19.091 There's a potential. 536 00:31:19.131 --> 00:31:20.071 He didn't even give it to me. 537 00:31:20.091 --> 00:31:20.932 There's a potential. 538 00:31:21.032 --> 00:31:22.373 He was like, you know what? 539 00:31:22.653 --> 00:31:23.534 We're going to tell her. 540 00:31:24.054 --> 00:31:26.936 We'll just call her the placebo group anyway. 541 00:31:27.276 --> 00:31:28.697 And be like, okay. 542 00:31:29.038 --> 00:31:30.379 There's a lot I've wondered. 543 00:31:32.035 --> 00:31:32.576 I don't know. 544 00:31:32.856 --> 00:31:36.020 All I know is I'm happy and healthy and I can run now. 545 00:31:36.060 --> 00:31:37.962 I'm not in any pain and I've been healthy. 546 00:31:37.982 --> 00:31:40.384 I haven't had any illness for 16 years. 547 00:31:40.465 --> 00:31:44.489 So what I do know is I'm happy there, but I have wondered. 548 00:31:44.549 --> 00:31:46.271 I have wondered, did he actually even give it to me? 549 00:31:46.691 --> 00:31:47.673 They said they did. 550 00:31:49.099 --> 00:31:53.443 He certainly tried hard to convince you it wasn't going to work. 551 00:31:54.103 --> 00:31:57.206 No, I don't think he I think he was just like he just wanted me out of the study. 552 00:31:57.546 --> 00:31:59.768 He didn't want me to ruin his results. 553 00:31:59.808 --> 00:32:00.248 The results. 554 00:32:00.608 --> 00:32:00.929 All right. 555 00:32:01.049 --> 00:32:06.713 So you start thinking, interestingly, please don't be in the placebo group. 556 00:32:06.853 --> 00:32:12.097 And then you come out of it and you have this kind of epiphany with placebo and the potential there. 557 00:32:12.217 --> 00:32:12.818 Talk about that. 558 00:32:13.358 --> 00:32:20.283 So then I thought, it was silly, but then I was laying there and I was like, okay, well, wait a second. 559 00:32:20.343 --> 00:32:23.465 If there's, like, it was like, what about the placebo? 560 00:32:23.485 --> 00:32:24.426 And then I was like, well, you know, 561 00:32:26.417 --> 00:32:33.905 It's a known fact that a certain percentage of people could get better or have some type of improvement just from the placebo. 562 00:32:33.945 --> 00:32:40.812 So I started thinking, well, if I could figure out the placebo, then if there's still a chance that I can get better, I can't give up. 563 00:32:41.152 --> 00:32:44.216 Like the only reason I wanted to give up is because I felt like I couldn't get better. 564 00:32:44.236 --> 00:32:45.977 So if there was still hope, I'll take it. 565 00:32:46.578 --> 00:32:48.920 And so I started, you know, just thinking in that way. 566 00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:54.383 Now, what I used to do in tech was actually, I was really good at troubleshooting. 567 00:32:54.623 --> 00:32:58.206 So I was like, if they didn't, people couldn't figure things out. 568 00:32:58.226 --> 00:32:59.366 A lot of times they would give it to me. 569 00:32:59.527 --> 00:33:02.208 Like they would be like second level, couldn't figure it out. 570 00:33:02.248 --> 00:33:05.430 Like they would give things to me and I would figure out all kinds of things. 571 00:33:06.411 --> 00:33:08.552 My brain is very good at finding solutions. 572 00:33:08.753 --> 00:33:12.175 That has always been like my, my superpower, if you will. 573 00:33:12.795 --> 00:33:13.736 And so, um, 574 00:33:15.006 --> 00:33:22.780 And so, but at this point with the placebo, I just started reading a bunch of things on mind-body healing

and... 575 00:33:24.425 --> 00:33:30.809 And I also, I mean, at first I was like, well, I wonder if I could convince my doctor to then just give me a placebo and we could see if it works. 576 00:33:30.909 --> 00:33:35.411 And so, I mean, at first it was kind of like, or I wonder if I could trick myself into a placebo. 577 00:33:35.491 --> 00:33:40.374 And, you know, just having silly, ridiculous, but resourceful thoughts at the time, at least. 578 00:33:41.054 --> 00:33:41.935 It was a bit of a shift. 579 00:33:42.015 --> 00:33:48.038 And then I started, like, reading about mind-body healing and then meditation and positive thinking. 580 00:33:48.078 --> 00:33:50.580 And then The Secret came out, the movie The Secret. 581 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:50.880 Oh, yeah. 582 00:33:51.020 --> 00:33:52.201 him out around that time. 583 00:33:52.241 --> 00:33:54.702 So then I was walking around or going through my life. 584 00:33:54.722 --> 00:33:55.963 No, not really walking around. 585 00:33:56.323 --> 00:34:05.889 But thinking, I was picturing the person in the placebo walk or in the movie, but I was like, I'm gratitude and I'm so grateful for my healing. 586 00:34:05.929 --> 00:34:14.034 And I just was convincing myself because at that time, I mistakenly thought that the placebo worked solely due to belief. 587 00:34:15.134 --> 00:34:22.038 And so at that time, as I was reading the placebo, I thought all the literature said you just have to believe. 588 00:34:22.698 --> 00:34:29.981 Then there was the secret and I was being grateful for my healing and I was believing and it wasn't working. 589 00:34:30.362 --> 00:34:43.228 And so then I was doing like frequencies and binaural beats and more and more meditation and detoxes and fasts and lemonade cleanse and diet and supplements and... 590 00:34:44.301 --> 00:34:54.606 about every single thing that I could think of, reflexology, acupuncture, acupressure, Reiki, all of the things, and it wasn't working. 591 00:34:54.846 --> 00:34:59.808 And I would say there was just a lot of different events that I started just learning from. 592 00:34:59.828 --> 00:35:07.252 Another thing that happened during that time is I had another friend who had actually been diagnosed with lung cancer who... 593 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:34.677 came who was doing a lot of the same things that I was doing the well the grateful for your healing and believing you're already healed and the meditation and the positive thinking and the affirmations and the reiki and all of the things and it came to the end of the road for her and um and so a friend picked me up and and took me to go see her to basically she had friend called me up and said you know it's it's the end of the road um 594 00:35:35.107 --> 00:35:36.047 do you want to say goodbye? 595 00:35:36.127 --> 00:35:37.187 And I said, yes, of course. 596 00:35:37.207 --> 00:35:38.108 So I went over there. 597 00:35:38.428 --> 00:35:40.648 So she picked me up, went over there, and I said goodbye. 598 00:35:41.668 --> 00:35:59.752 And when I left, it was like I had this picture of her in my head, and I thought, God, that's kind of what I look like every day because I was spending so much time meditating and in theta state and the vagus nerve and frequencies and all of the things that I was trying so hard to do all those things. 599 00:35:59.792 --> 00:36:01.533 And I just started questioning everything. 600 00:36:01.573 --> 00:36:03.313 I thought, well, you know, if... 601 00:36:04.816 --> 00:36:07.660 If relaxation was so healing, why didn't she heal? 602 00:36:08.141 --> 00:36:09.623 She had been in hospice for months. 603 00:36:10.785 --> 00:36:14.270 And she was bed, you know, yeah, why didn't she heal? 604 00:36:14.310 --> 00:36:15.792 Why don't people in a coma heal? 605 00:36:15.852 --> 00:36:18.737 And so I started questioning the whole relaxation thing. 606 00:36:18.797 --> 00:36:19.838 I started questioning... 607 00:36:20.539 --> 00:36:20.939 Everything. 608 00:36:20.999 --> 00:36:22.681 I started questioning the placebo. 609 00:36:23.542 --> 00:36:30.247 And I thought, well, if the placebo works due to belief, we've been like I believed a lot of things would work. 610 00:36:30.307 --> 00:36:33.810 And then I started finding stuff like the open label placebo. 611 00:36:33.850 --> 00:36:35.531 Are you familiar with the open label placebo? 612 00:36:36.452 --> 00:36:36.732 I am. 613 00:36:36.772 --> 00:36:43.598 But please explain it because it's whoever if whoever hasn't heard of open label placebo is about to be blown away. 614 00:36:44.863 --> 00:36:45.184 Yeah. 615 00:36:45.284 --> 00:36:49.607 So as I was reading, trying to figure out how the placebo worked, I came across exactly that. 616 00:36:49.667 --> 00:36:53.030 The open label placebo, which is exactly like it sounds. 617 00:36:53.110 --> 00:36:54.511 It is open label. 618 00:36:54.792 --> 00:36:59.436 So both the doctor and the patient both know it's fake and it still works. 619 00:37:00.116 --> 00:37:10.345 And so I was like, well, it was like both the doctor and the patient know that they're receiving a quote unquote sugar pill. 620 00:37:11.776 --> 00:37:12.917 And it still works. 621 00:37:13.517 --> 00:37:23.644 And then I'm going to add another one that I'm aware of, which is if they're paying for it, the more they pay for it, the better it works, even though they know it's a placebo. 622 00:37:23.764 --> 00:37:27.727 Like it is it is amazing how well the placebo effect works. 623 00:37:28.603 --> 00:37:28.903 Right? 624 00:37:29.043 --> 00:37:29.423 It is. 625 00:37:29.804 --> 00:37:37.087 And there was, oh my gosh, there was a placebo effect on ayahuasca recently that was like double the normal placebo levels. 626 00:37:37.167 --> 00:37:42.289 Because there's also, if there's maybe a, in that I would say there was a novelty about it. 627 00:37:42.329 --> 00:37:44.170 So then it's super cool. 628 00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:47.652 So, you know, it's, so

it's interesting. 629 00:37:47.712 --> 00:37:47.972 So... 630 00:37:49.012 --> 00:37:51.113 But yeah, so I started just questioning everything. 631 00:37:51.173 --> 00:37:56.116 I was like, because I had been reading for years, you know, meditation and positive thinking and belief. 632 00:37:56.156 --> 00:38:00.899 And I mean, so much so I was like convincing myself every day that I was healed. 633 00:38:00.939 --> 00:38:05.542 So I like I mean, I was I'm whole, healthy, and complete. 634 00:38:05.622 --> 00:38:06.162 I am healed. 635 00:38:06.202 --> 00:38:07.463 I mean, I was like writing. 636 00:38:07.543 --> 00:38:14.627 I would I would get done writing with my right hand and then write with my left hand to make sure it got in both sides of my brain, so to speak. 637 00:38:15.467 --> 00:38:20.728 So in some context, despite all the pain, you were healed, right? 638 00:38:20.748 --> 00:38:24.429 Like in some context, like you had convinced yourself you were, despite the pain. 639 00:38:24.449 --> 00:38:24.649 Yeah. 640 00:38:25.189 --> 00:38:25.529 Go ahead. 641 00:38:26.029 --> 00:38:27.309 Yeah. 642 00:38:27.729 --> 00:38:29.229 So it was, yeah. 643 00:38:29.610 --> 00:38:42.612 So then I found research on multiple personality disorder, where people with multiple personality disorder could have different illnesses in different personalities, and they could shift differently. 644 00:38:43.525 --> 00:38:43.965 Immediately. 645 00:38:44.365 --> 00:38:50.647 Like there was a woman who was medically blind in some personalities, but not in others. 646 00:38:50.667 --> 00:38:51.807 She could see in others. 647 00:38:52.188 --> 00:38:53.248 And it was medically proven. 648 00:38:54.848 --> 00:38:58.669 There were there was another woman who was a Holocaust survivor. 649 00:38:59.410 --> 00:39:01.490 In some personalities, she had headaches. 650 00:39:01.630 --> 00:39:02.891 Others, she had asthma. 651 00:39:03.471 --> 00:39:04.631 Others, she had back pain. 652 00:39:05.131 --> 00:39:07.272 So some of them, she didn't have any illness at all. 653 00:39:08.598 --> 00:39:12.561 And, of course, I thought, well, how do I get a personality that's healed? 654 00:39:12.841 --> 00:39:16.003 I'm looking for personality number two, the one with no back pain. 655 00:39:16.023 --> 00:39:16.363 Exactly. 656 00:39:17.084 --> 00:39:17.704 Exactly. 657 00:39:17.764 --> 00:39:22.467 And, of course, I have so much compassion for people with multiple personality disorder, but that is exactly what I thought. 658 00:39:23.027 --> 00:39:25.809 How do I – because they didn't have to meditate for years. 659 00:39:25.829 --> 00:39:27.390 They didn't have to believe for years. 660 00:39:27.450 --> 00:39:32.794 They didn't have to – like I had been – by the time I found this research, I mean I had been meditating for like – 661 00:39:33.835 --> 00:39:35.476 four, five, six years. 662 00:39:35.516 --> 00:39:37.819 I mean, I had been, it was full on. 663 00:39:37.859 --> 00:39:42.464 So I was trying to figure out how to activate this so I could heal. 664 00:39:42.524 --> 00:39:50.473 And so that, so it sent me down this whole rabbit hole going, okay, how does this work and how do I use the mind to actually activate this? 665 00:39:50.533 --> 00:39:53.416 And I would say that was the biggest turning point. 666 00:39:53.997 --> 00:39:54.137 Mm-hmm. 667 00:39:54.808 --> 00:39:56.649 And so what was the next step? 668 00:39:56.849 --> 00:39:57.589 Don't leave us hanging. 669 00:39:59.410 --> 00:40:00.951 So it's about that time. 670 00:40:00.991 --> 00:40:04.673 Might I ask, which one am I speaking with? 671 00:40:04.693 --> 00:40:06.234 The one that doesn't experience pain, right? 672 00:40:06.714 --> 00:40:07.975 Well, today is number 10. 673 00:40:09.436 --> 00:40:10.816 I try to keep up with the iPhone. 674 00:40:10.836 --> 00:40:12.177 So actually, we're on number 17. 675 00:40:14.445 --> 00:40:16.626 Hey, super quick break from the podcast. 676 00:40:16.727 --> 00:40:18.508 Some way that you can help support the podcast. 677 00:40:19.008 --> 00:40:23.591 We're gonna give you a 50% coupon on one of our most popular products. 678 00:40:23.611 --> 00:40:31.476 Remember, this is a high quality extra virgin olive oil and as much of the ESS60 molecule as we can get to dissolve in it, you can get it for 50% off. 679 00:40:33.077 --> 00:40:40.263 If you're not a customer yet, go ahead and type in a comment and actually go ahead and type in LBTN, live beyond the norms in the comments below. 680 00:40:40.563 --> 00:40:42.685 We'll reach out to you and get you that coupon code. 681 00:40:42.725 --> 00:40:47.649 Actually type in LBTN and the word coupon and we'll make sure we get that coupon code before. 682 00:40:48.309 --> 00:40:51.950 If you're already a customer, you can also get a 50% coupon. 683 00:40:52.210 --> 00:41:00.233 And what you do is just submit a review either on iTunes or on Spotify and take a picture or a screenshot. 684 00:41:00.493 --> 00:41:06.895 Get that review to us at info at myvitalc.com and we'll get that 50% coupon to you. 685 00:41:07.475 --> 00:41:09.136 Thank you for supporting the podcast. 686 00:41:09.156 --> 00:41:10.897 Thank you for trying out our products. 687 00:41:11.337 --> 00:41:12.197 And back to the show. 688 00:41:12.657 --> 00:41:20.222 So you kind of have this epiphany with kind of multiple personality disorder that like there's different wiring happening. 689 00:41:20.382 --> 00:41:23.904 And, okay, now maybe you can elicit that in yourself. 690 00:41:24.004 --> 00:41:24.905 What's the next steps? 691 00:41:25.758 --> 00:41:29.379 Yeah, basically, of course, I could not figure it out initially. 692 00:41:29.600 --> 00:41:33.081 I was like, okay, because I had already tried to convince myself as being healed. 693 00:41:33.161 --> 00:41:35.242 I had already tried to tell myself I was healed. 694 00:41:35.322 --> 00:41:38.603 I had already tried to bring in the self-image that I

was healed. 695 00:41:38.623 --> 00:41:42.965 I had worked with my self-image on healing and all of the things and read all about that. 696 00:41:44.025 --> 00:41:52.009 And so what I started to do is actually what I used to do in network ops and engineering and tech, is I started to simplify everything. 697 00:41:52.249 --> 00:41:54.510 And I said, okay, let me just break this down and simplify it. 698 00:41:55.560 --> 00:41:58.147 How can I see that the mind affects the physical body? 699 00:41:59.391 --> 00:41:59.872 Emotions. 700 00:41:59.932 --> 00:42:02.339 If somebody's embarrassed, their face can turn red. 701 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:03.963 Okay, I get that. 702 00:42:05.430 --> 00:42:09.693 And at this time, I thought emotions were ridiculous, by the way, because I was in the corporate world. 703 00:42:09.733 --> 00:42:11.094 So I was like, okay, yeah, I get it. 704 00:42:11.134 --> 00:42:12.355 Embarrassed, face turned red. 705 00:42:12.555 --> 00:42:12.955 Okay. 706 00:42:13.496 --> 00:42:15.177 Oh, somebody can have a nervous stomach. 707 00:42:15.537 --> 00:42:15.998 Okay. 708 00:42:16.558 --> 00:42:17.239 Anxiety. 709 00:42:17.319 --> 00:42:18.940 Somebody can have a panic attack. 710 00:42:19.641 --> 00:42:19.901 Okay. 711 00:42:19.941 --> 00:42:26.126 Sexual thought, sexual physical response, different for men or women, but there's a mind-body connection there. 712 00:42:26.146 --> 00:42:30.389 And I thought, yes, but how much can the mind really affect the physical body? 713 00:42:30.729 --> 00:42:31.430 And I thought, well... 714 00:42:32.853 --> 00:42:33.673 To the point of death. 715 00:42:33.933 --> 00:42:37.654 You know, somebody can be scared to death where they're so scared their heart stops. 716 00:42:38.214 --> 00:42:40.054 Or somebody can die of a broken heart. 717 00:42:40.214 --> 00:42:43.355 They can lose somebody that they loved and die. 718 00:42:44.155 --> 00:42:45.395 And I thought, well, wait a second here. 719 00:42:45.655 --> 00:42:57.578 And then, of course, I started researching psychoneuroimmunology and immune cells and activity in the cells and just looking at all of the ways the mind-body connection. 720 00:42:57.598 --> 00:42:58.818 And I thought, well, wait a second here. 721 00:42:59.967 --> 00:43:19.633 embarrassment, we know that that can affect the face, anxiety, okay, somebody can have a nervous stomach, okay, sweaty palms, okay, you know, somebody can die of a broken heart, and I thought, okay, does it make sense that these six emotions affect the physical body, and the rest of the emotions are doing nothing? 722 00:43:20.873 --> 00:43:22.134 And that doesn't make sense. 723 00:43:22.154 --> 00:43:24.175 And even there was a phrase, bored to death. 724 00:43:24.615 --> 00:43:29.538 And technically, there's actually research that shows that people who are more bored can have a higher rate of death. 725 00:43:29.798 --> 00:43:31.699 And, you know, there's a widowhood effect. 726 00:43:32.059 --> 00:43:37.462 And so I just, the more I started looking, I said, okay, well, stress can affect the physical body. 727 00:43:38.302 --> 00:43:46.947 And basically what I ended up figuring out was this, is that I said, I questioned it because I've been at this point now questioning everything. 728 00:43:47.347 --> 00:43:48.508 And I thought, well, wait a second here. 729 00:43:48.528 --> 00:43:48.728 Yeah. 730 00:43:50.033 --> 00:43:55.479 There are people with severe PTSD and severe trauma that aren't sick. 731 00:43:55.499 --> 00:44:01.585 They're military or police officers who have been through very traumatic experiences or other people, and they're not sick. 732 00:44:02.206 --> 00:44:03.307 So how does that work? 733 00:44:04.555 --> 00:44:10.740 And so I said, if it was just stress, and basically what I began to figure out is that it was a combination of emotions was the key. 734 00:44:11.461 --> 00:44:18.366 And a simple way to think about it is like this, is that if somebody wants to make cake and they only have flour, they cannot make cake. 735 00:44:18.426 --> 00:44:24.951 But if they have flour and they mix it with eggs and butter or vegan eggs and butter and other ingredients, now they have cake, they change the recipe completely. 736 00:44:25.812 --> 00:44:26.853 They get something else. 737 00:44:26.893 --> 00:44:38.118 And that's how I figured out it was possible for somebody with multiple personality disorder to have one illness in one personality, different illness in a different personality, no illness in a different personality, etc. 738 00:44:38.158 --> 00:44:41.320 And so it was just identifying the specific combination. 739 00:44:41.700 --> 00:44:44.161 And so that's ultimately what I did to heal myself. 740 00:44:44.321 --> 00:44:48.623 And then after I healed, I started helping people do that very thing. 741 00:44:48.663 --> 00:44:51.244 I said, okay, let's figure out that combination. 742 00:44:51.724 --> 00:44:53.745 What is the combination to crack the code? 743 00:44:54.325 --> 00:44:57.706 And let's identify those patterns and then genuinely shift them. 744 00:44:58.046 --> 00:45:07.250 And that's the way that I've seen people get all kinds of incredible results is just by identifying that, but they're tricky and they can be very counterintuitive. 745 00:45:08.203 --> 00:45:12.269 So but but it's that it's identifying the pattern and then genuinely shifting it. 746 00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:18.437 If I've got the timeline right, your friend passes away with lung cancer. 747 00:45:19.250 --> 00:45:23.552 you kind of have a kind of reckoning, like, okay, well, that's not working. 748 00:45:23.592 --> 00:45:28.075 The secret is, I think is useful, but it's not solving the problem. 749 00:45:28.175 --> 00:45:34.559 What kind of timeframe are we looking at between that and when you really start to feel? 750 00:45:34.799 --> 00:45:38.381 And do you like solve something and the next day everything's fine? 751 00:45:38.581 -->

00:45:44.884 Or are you kind of working on these emotions and this combination of emotions and it's over the course of a couple months? 752 00:45:44.944 --> 00:45:47.486 Or like, what does that kind of healing process look like for you? 753 00:45:47.913 --> 00:45:53.435 Number one, I'm going to tell you, time was a funny thing for several reasons. 754 00:45:54.055 --> 00:46:00.197 One, when you don't care what day it was and you don't know what day it is and you don't really sleep. 755 00:46:01.018 --> 00:46:03.619 One day runs into the next month, runs into the next month. 756 00:46:03.879 --> 00:46:05.579 Sometimes you just don't want to know what day it is. 757 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:12.242 So there were times when my friend would send me a picture of her kids and suddenly they went from like, 758 00:46:12.902 --> 00:46:14.502 very short to taller and taller. 759 00:46:14.522 --> 00:46:16.883 And it's like, you didn't want to know what, how many years. 760 00:46:16.903 --> 00:46:18.143 So there was that. 761 00:46:18.283 --> 00:46:21.044 I was also meditating a lot. 762 00:46:21.124 --> 00:46:31.866 And I would say that, you know, Tuma, like to a point, you start to get, like, there's a side effects to meditation when you meditate a lot. 763 00:46:31.966 --> 00:46:36.227 And I would say I got some disconnect of life, if you will. 764 00:46:36.487 --> 00:46:37.327 So I would say that. 765 00:46:39.087 --> 00:46:43.789 I would say that, yeah, so as far as time, I'm not 100% sure. 766 00:46:45.469 --> 00:46:50.411 I would say that I started to figure things out and then it was up and then down and it wasn't perfect. 767 00:46:50.471 --> 00:46:52.792 I was figuring it out, didn't know what I was doing. 768 00:46:53.892 --> 00:46:58.514 The way it felt like was kind of looking for a light switch in the dark when you don't really know where it is. 769 00:46:59.034 --> 00:47:01.895 So I was fumbling around a lot, started to get better. 770 00:47:02.275 --> 00:47:05.736 Then I would have setbacks and then just trying to understand it. 771 00:47:06.456 --> 00:47:11.365 But I would say once I finally really got it, I literally went from like... 772 00:47:12.867 --> 00:47:13.768 having a cane. 773 00:47:15.308 --> 00:47:25.814 And like I, there was, I mean, I started, as I started really feeling like I could get my pain more down and down, it wasn't perfect yet, but considerably down. 774 00:47:25.914 --> 00:47:27.555 I started also then going to the gym. 775 00:47:28.336 --> 00:47:41.523 And so I started going to the gym and I would say from the point where I was like using a wheelchair or walker or cane to get into the gym to actually like starting to like lift weights was probably about, let's say, 776 00:47:42.958 --> 00:47:44.139 four or five months. 777 00:47:44.600 --> 00:47:55.389 These bodybuilders came up to me and at first, like I would go into the gym, I'm laughing because I would go into the gym and I would just hold the weight and then I would leave. 778 00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:01.504 And it took me longer to walk in than my entire thing. 779 00:48:02.004 --> 00:48:07.569 But then, like, one of the earlier experiences as I was going to the gym is I started trying to ride the bike. 780 00:48:08.489 --> 00:48:11.031 And I was pedaling on the bike. 781 00:48:11.572 --> 00:48:12.332 I was trying to. 782 00:48:13.193 --> 00:48:15.854 And then the lights didn't come on, so it was broken. 783 00:48:15.894 --> 00:48:18.715 So I went to the next one over, and the same thing happened. 784 00:48:18.735 --> 00:48:25.818 It was broken, and I got onto the third one, and I realized I just couldn't get the pedals to go fast enough to turn the lights on. 785 00:48:25.858 --> 00:48:25.978 Wow. 786 00:48:26.178 --> 00:48:26.818 Wow. 787 00:48:29.387 --> 00:48:37.074 So four to five months from not turning on the bike to now, like, you're getting into the gym without. 788 00:48:37.255 --> 00:48:39.637 Yeah, the bodybuilders. 789 00:48:39.757 --> 00:48:43.300 And somewhere in this, you kind of start with IT again, right? 790 00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:45.202 And then also, I have to assume, like, 791 00:48:45.562 --> 00:48:48.626 People are like seeing profound differences in you. 792 00:48:48.646 --> 00:48:54.852 That's when people, you know, getting back to showing people and this dance of I'm not crazy. 793 00:48:55.473 --> 00:48:57.114 Here's the solution that worked for me. 794 00:48:57.815 --> 00:49:00.418 All of that starts happening about that time, I would imagine. 795 00:49:00.810 --> 00:49:06.555 I would say, so as I was getting better, then suddenly I had this thought like, oh my gosh, what am I going to do for work? 796 00:49:06.575 --> 00:49:08.277 Now, of course, a part of me didn't even care. 797 00:49:08.377 --> 00:49:12.120 I was just like, I literally told myself, I'll work at Starbucks at a coffee shop. 798 00:49:12.240 --> 00:49:12.841 I don't care. 799 00:49:12.981 --> 00:49:13.982 I just want to get better. 800 00:49:14.022 --> 00:49:15.443 If I have me, I have everything. 801 00:49:15.944 --> 00:49:16.704 I can figure it out. 802 00:49:17.445 --> 00:49:23.430 But I started having fear come up, which started slowing down my results and stopping me. 803 00:49:24.011 --> 00:49:26.313 So then the next day, basically, I was on... 804 00:49:28.495 --> 00:49:32.437 So there was this program called Ticket to Work where that helps you get retrained and whatnot. 805 00:49:32.497 --> 00:49:37.000 So I started getting recertified through some programs on disability. 806 00:49:37.660 --> 00:49:43.764 And so I just, I literally like called them the next day and got signed up and, and then started doing like a home study to start getting 807 00:49:44.444 --> 00:49:45.585 the certification programs. 808 00:49:45.805 --> 00:49:47.305 And so then I started doing that. 809 00:49:48.346 --> 00:49:49.946 And then everything was flowing again. 810 00:49:49.966 --> 00:49:54.988 And then, yeah, I was

getting better than I finished my certification. 811 00:49:55.508 --> 00:50:03.692 And I wasn't quite ready to go from not working at all and being in bed most of the days to working 40 to 60 hours a week. 812 00:50:03.732 --> 00:50:05.152 So I thought, okay, I need to. 813 00:50:05.452 --> 00:50:06.613 So I started doing 814 00:50:07.767 --> 00:50:09.728 I started volunteering at like a homeless shelter. 815 00:50:09.748 --> 00:50:17.250 It was like this half, I don't know, like I would go play with like, I would play games with children while their parents were out looking for jobs. 816 00:50:18.151 --> 00:50:22.572 And so I'd play like Connect Four and Monopoly and Candyland and all the things. 817 00:50:23.833 --> 00:50:26.874 And it was good for me because I could get out and all of that. 818 00:50:27.954 --> 00:50:30.055 But anyway, so yeah, then I... 819 00:50:31.283 --> 00:50:34.505 I got certified to do personal training because I was like, you know what? 820 00:50:34.706 --> 00:50:35.826 I need to be in the gym. 821 00:50:36.027 --> 00:50:40.470 Why don't I just do this for now to at least then have to work out all the time anyway? 822 00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:43.892 And then I got certified to do that, and I was going to do that. 823 00:50:43.952 --> 00:50:54.580 But then I ended up, like, talking to this doctor who I ended up working with to then do blood work and different things like that. 824 00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:56.702 And so it kind of just all unfolded. 825 00:50:58.109 --> 00:51:05.334 And then as you start helping people, you kind of lean on the things that are more traditional because you're convinced that they'll accept those, right? 826 00:51:05.774 --> 00:51:07.215 Which is like, hey, let's eat properly. 827 00:51:07.235 --> 00:51:10.617 You mentioned nutrition might have been the first place you stopped. 828 00:51:10.917 --> 00:51:18.743 I want to get to your – this has been a fascinating conversation, and I want to be mindful of time and get in some of the key pieces here. 829 00:51:19.223 --> 00:51:22.145 You have a framework called GIFT. 830 00:51:22.345 --> 00:51:23.946 Walk us through what is GIFT. 831 00:51:25.806 --> 00:51:30.570 Gift is basically, step G is get new healthy mind programming. 832 00:51:31.911 --> 00:51:39.757 So it is basically, it's been medically shown that even somebody who's optimistic, their body can actually heal faster. 833 00:51:40.958 --> 00:51:45.562 And so step G is really about bringing in and really programming in positivity. 834 00:51:46.343 --> 00:51:49.405 A simple way to think about the importance of it is like this. 835 00:51:50.026 --> 00:51:52.408 A lot of times people say, let's just think positive. 836 00:51:52.428 --> 00:51:52.928 Okay. 837 00:51:53.028 --> 00:51:55.671 Okay, now the problem with that is it doesn't get programmed in. 838 00:51:55.711 --> 00:51:56.792 So it's always an effort. 839 00:51:56.812 --> 00:51:58.795 And not only that, it's thinking and not feeling. 840 00:51:59.175 --> 00:52:02.019 And so step G is getting new mind programming. 841 00:52:02.059 --> 00:52:09.527 And it's really about getting really positive emotions programmed into the subconscious mind and establishing new neural pathways. 842 00:52:10.423 --> 00:52:12.144 So the brain starts doing it automatically. 843 00:52:12.244 --> 00:52:15.085 So it's not like effortful, positive thinking. 844 00:52:15.185 --> 00:52:16.906 It's automatic, positive thinking. 845 00:52:16.926 --> 00:52:19.307 So that's step G is get new mind programming. 846 00:52:19.607 --> 00:52:22.249 Are there some NLP techniques that you're using there? 847 00:52:22.269 --> 00:52:26.491 Neurolinguistic programming techniques that kind of go into GIFT or maybe. 848 00:52:26.671 --> 00:52:29.192 And if there are, it's not intentional. 849 00:52:30.453 --> 00:52:36.736 No, actually, what I started doing for step G. So it's kind of like the way to think about it is like this, is that. 850 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:38.500 A couple things. 851 00:52:38.921 --> 00:52:45.246 So a lot of times people do positive thinking and they try to just think of anything that's positive. 852 00:52:46.066 --> 00:52:55.073 And a way to think about it is like this, is that if you imagine a field of grass and you walk through the field of grass a different way every day, it does not create a path. 853 00:52:55.983 --> 00:53:02.086 But if you go through it the same way over and over and over and over again, now it creates a path, right? 854 00:53:02.246 --> 00:53:11.931 So instead of just saying, I'm going to think positive, I started focusing on creating specific positive emotions and amplifying them to start getting in new neural pathways. 855 00:53:11.951 --> 00:53:14.012 So my brain would start automatically going there. 856 00:53:14.652 --> 00:53:22.656 I also got rid of doing gratitude because I had been doing all of the gratitude from the secret and all of the things, which is all great and wonderful. 857 00:53:22.716 --> 00:53:24.878 But I had survivor's guilt from 9-11. 858 00:53:26.212 --> 00:53:36.041 So if you take people who are feeling very guilty and bad about something and then you go, I'm so grateful for life, I'm so grateful for life, you start to realize that's a bad plan. 859 00:53:36.701 --> 00:53:39.064 It actually increases guilt. 860 00:53:39.344 --> 00:53:40.345 And so, yes. 861 00:53:41.005 --> 00:53:41.586 So I don't. 862 00:53:41.706 --> 00:53:42.567 So you have the two G's. 863 00:53:42.587 --> 00:53:47.271 You have the gratitude then leading into the guilt and they cancel each other out. 864 00:53:47.931 --> 00:53:48.452 Yeah. 865 00:53:48.512 --> 00:53:50.374 If you're lucky, they cancel each other out. 866 00:53:50.414 --> 00:53:50.614 Yeah. 867 00:53:50.994 --> 00:53:51.655 Yeah, it did. 868 00:53:51.675 --> 00:53:52.075 Yeah. 869 00:53:52.175 --> 00:53:58.261 So, so, so anyway, so I started picking specific emotions and amplifying them to get them in. 870

00:53:58.341 --> 00:54:00.263 The other thing that was important was this. 871 00:54:01.238 --> 00:54:08.025 is that anytime we're going to program something in the mind, we have to access it repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly. 872 00:54:08.065 --> 00:54:10.107 An easy way to think about it is like the alphabet. 873 00:54:10.507 --> 00:54:12.789 If you want to remember the alphabet, you've got to get it in repeatedly. 874 00:54:12.809 --> 00:54:16.973 If you want to speak French, you've got to get it in repeatedly, then you know it. 875 00:54:16.993 --> 00:54:18.175 So anything we need to do. 876 00:54:18.595 --> 00:54:25.001 Now, for me during my injury, for me to repeatedly access really, really positive emotions 877 00:54:25.942 --> 00:54:27.404 would not have been realistic. 878 00:54:27.924 --> 00:54:29.406 And so, so often that's what people do. 879 00:54:29.426 --> 00:54:33.971 They do like affirmations or positive thinking, but it's not really accessing the emotion. 880 00:54:34.011 --> 00:54:44.442 So one simple thing I did is I started using music, not like a happy playlist, but like one song and two songs to just amplify the emotion. 881 00:54:44.482 --> 00:54:44.602 So 882 00:54:44.982 --> 00:54:47.503 I call it a neurotransformational music technique. 883 00:54:47.543 --> 00:54:59.630 But basically, it's basically taking a song and specifically amplifying the feeling over and over and over and over again to start creating new neural pathways. 884 00:54:59.650 --> 00:55:00.751 So that was one of the techniques. 885 00:55:00.771 --> 00:55:06.374 So I would say that it was very practical things of what I started to do. 886 00:55:06.434 --> 00:55:12.317 Because for me, being able to just access extreme happiness, like, oh, yay! 887 00:55:14.959 --> 00:55:18.061 wasn't really realistic for where I was in my life at that time. 888 00:55:18.201 --> 00:55:22.164 So instead I would, you know, it's like if you, so I would, I would do that. 889 00:55:22.204 --> 00:55:24.165 So, so it wasn't NLP stuff. 890 00:55:24.205 --> 00:55:28.328 It was actually very practical, accessible things that I started doing to get it in. 891 00:55:29.049 --> 00:55:31.191 And so, so that was one example. 892 00:55:31.992 --> 00:55:34.073 And then I did other writing stuff and whatnot. 893 00:55:34.113 --> 00:55:36.514 But basically, I started creating. 894 00:55:37.175 --> 00:55:39.836 That was step G. Get new positive mind programming. 895 00:55:40.136 --> 00:55:45.959 Step I is identify the specific problems or the quote unquote emotional ingredients. 896 00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.902 And so basically, I started saying what specific emotions are. 897 00:55:51.506 --> 00:55:53.067 are affecting me, you know? 898 00:55:53.407 --> 00:55:55.928 And so I started really working on identifying that. 899 00:55:56.968 --> 00:55:59.429 Step F is free yourself. 900 00:55:59.689 --> 00:56:07.792 And it's really about rewiring at a deeper level because

emotional patterns are different than a lot of people think. 901 00:56:08.412 --> 00:56:15.354 And so it's not just changing a trauma, it's actually rewiring those emotional patterns. 902 00:56:15.374 --> 00:56:18.135 And then step T is step into the transformation. 903 00:56:18.255 --> 00:56:18.576 So it's, 904 00:56:20.439 --> 00:56:22.040 It's transforming all of the way. 905 00:56:22.220 --> 00:56:29.785 It's really stepping into the transformation, the self-image and the actions, bringing it into your actions. 906 00:56:29.825 --> 00:56:30.966 So it's a real change. 907 00:56:31.566 --> 00:56:41.492 And when your TEDx talk, did you have – was GIFT already kind of the framework already mapped out or were you still kind of working on that? 908 00:56:41.692 --> 00:56:43.173 And I guess that TEDx talk was in 2017. 909 00:56:43.293 --> 00:56:43.473 Yeah. 910 00:56:44.943 --> 00:56:49.546 Yeah, and I think it was 2016 maybe, but somewhere in there. 911 00:56:49.566 --> 00:56:54.990 But I did call it GIFT, but I didn't have each letter as an acronym. 912 00:56:55.030 --> 00:56:59.773 It was just finding the GIFT because ultimately this is what I would say is this, is that – 913 00:57:01.345 --> 00:57:11.311 The way I look at healing now is that anytime we have any type of illness, our bodies are actually giving us a check engine light, if you will. 914 00:57:11.451 --> 00:57:15.073 And so when we change, that's when it becomes a life-changing gift. 915 00:57:15.113 --> 00:57:21.537 And what I mean is it's like if you're driving a car and the check engine light comes on, you know there's something wrong with the car. 916 00:57:22.037 --> 00:57:30.122 And if we as human beings are experiencing pain or illness or a problem, there's a check engine light and there's something going on on the inside that 917 00:57:30.442 --> 00:57:31.524 that we really need to change. 918 00:57:31.544 --> 00:57:34.609 And when we identify that, it becomes a gift. 919 00:57:34.690 --> 00:57:37.875 And so, for example, a simple example, I've seen people who have had 920 00:57:38.417 --> 00:57:46.740 horrible health issues from even deep feelings of self-criticism and a combination of ingredients, but self-criticism. 921 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:54.003 And so what happened for them to heal is they really had to identify that pattern and then change it. 922 00:57:54.423 --> 00:58:03.827 Now imagine somebody who spends the rest of their life, 50, 60, 70 years of their life, criticizing themselves or really loving who they are. 923 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:06.241 it's pivotal. 924 00:58:06.961 --> 00:58:08.202 It's, it's a whole different life. 925 00:58:08.282 --> 00:58:11.604 And I've seen this person who, like, for example, changes that. 926 00:58:11.804 --> 00:58:19.328 And when they change themselves, they feel more love, they feel more connection, they feel more successful, they feel more confident, they, every part of their life changes. 927 00:58:19.428 --> 00:58:24.671 And so that's what I would say is, I would say that it's, it's a gift when we really change. 928 00:58:24.992 --> 00:58:28.774 The problem isn't the gift, the solution, the change is the gift. 929 00:58:29.587 --> 00:58:44.975 I just want to touch on this briefly because there's – you've showed – I've seen some images of people doing thermography in order to see hot spots, which are signs of pain, really signs of inflammation, but kind of equate to pain as registered. 930 00:58:45.495 --> 00:58:58.401 And you've helped in moments, one describe how quickly and describe the process taking people from, say, 11, 8, a level 8 of pain to a level 0 in some cases. 931 00:58:59.061 --> 00:59:02.103 What's going on there and how quickly is this happening? 932 00:59:03.812 --> 00:59:06.073 So basically exactly that. 933 00:59:06.113 --> 00:59:10.694 Like when I work with somebody, let's say they're experiencing a level 8 of pain. 934 00:59:10.954 --> 00:59:19.916 Ultimately, I help them identify what are the specific emotions that are contributing to that and then help them to shift it. 935 00:59:20.096 --> 00:59:21.896 So help them to shift their mindset. 936 00:59:22.516 --> 00:59:24.157 And you literally see on the image. 937 00:59:24.857 --> 00:59:25.657 the pain goes away. 938 00:59:25.677 --> 00:59:30.999 And to kind of break that down a little bit better, let's say somebody's experiencing neck pain and upper back pain. 939 00:59:31.179 --> 00:59:37.561 And so the image on the thermal imaging will be all red and white over that neck and back area. 940 00:59:37.641 --> 00:59:40.782 And a simple way to think about it also is like... 941 00:59:41.982 --> 00:59:51.570 for anybody who might not know what this looks like is, is to think of if you've ever had a sprained ankle or an infection and there's heat coming from it or a scratch and there's heat coming from it or whatnot. 942 00:59:52.250 --> 01:00:04.520 Basically advanced medical thermography is able to detect at a very, very advanced level, the heat waves inside and heat signatures inside the body and, and, and show them. 943 01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:07.602 And so when somebody is experiencing neck pain and inflammation, inflammation, 944 01:00:07.902 --> 01:00:09.144 You can see it on the image. 945 01:00:09.164 --> 01:00:12.508 And so then I'll show somebody how to, you know, shift their mindset. 946 01:00:13.349 --> 01:00:15.752 And as they do, the pain relieves in minutes. 947 01:00:15.812 --> 01:00:19.556 And if you think about it, a lot of times people are like, how is that even possible? 948 01:00:19.857 --> 01:00:24.102 But if you stop and think about it, we're kind of always doing this. 949 01:00:24.422 --> 01:00:26.445 I mean, how many people have good days and bad days? 950 01:00:28.485 --> 01:00:31.888 everybody pretty much has good days and bad days. 951 01:00:32.009 --> 01:00:42.599 And so ultimately, I would say our minds are always going through, or even if you take somebody with like

rheumatoid arthritis, oh, they could be fine and then have flare-ups. 952 01:00:42.999 --> 01:00:47.884 These emotions and things at a subconscious level are always impacting us. 953 01:00:48.504 --> 01:00:50.006 We just haven't really realized it. 954 01:00:51.787 --> 01:00:52.067 Yeah. 955 01:00:52.087 --> 01:01:03.312 So if you think about a good day and a bad day, basically what I'm doing is I'm taking that to a much further step and just identifying what is it that's impacting them, helping them to shift that. 956 01:01:03.412 --> 01:01:06.613 And suddenly they're going, oh, my gosh, wait, the pain is gone. 957 01:01:06.733 --> 01:01:07.654 How did you do that? 958 01:01:08.034 --> 01:01:08.834 And of course, they did it. 959 01:01:08.914 --> 01:01:10.455 I'm just showing them how to use their mind. 960 01:01:11.373 --> 01:01:14.094 Yeah, you're giving them the gift of a good day. 961 01:01:15.194 --> 01:01:15.715 That's pretty awesome. 962 01:01:15.735 --> 01:01:19.956 Yes, and when they stay in that change, that's when I see the body heal, though. 963 01:01:20.096 --> 01:01:25.438 So it's not – so a way to think about it is like multiple personality disorder. 964 01:01:25.958 --> 01:01:37.062 Not saying they have it, but what it's saying is that if somebody goes into a different personality, they're going from pain and illness to a different personality with none, and they never go back into the old mindset. 965 01:01:38.261 --> 01:01:40.142 That's basically when I see the body heal. 966 01:01:40.182 --> 01:01:44.644 So the way to think about it is creating that new mindset and releasing the old. 967 01:01:45.624 --> 01:01:58.189 So physiologically, in your case, do you think you've, you know, taken this positive mindset, right, which could come out of the secret, thrown in emotional pain? 968 01:01:59.275 --> 01:02:03.278 management, well, I'm just going to call it management, there's probably you might have a better term. 969 01:02:03.959 --> 01:02:10.684 And now you just kind of have a situation of mind over matter with the extreme pain that you were feeling. 970 01:02:11.404 --> 01:02:16.048 Or do you think some physiological healing happened as you're doing all this stuff? 971 01:02:16.908 --> 01:02:17.889 Where do you sit with that? 972 01:02:18.233 --> 01:02:23.297 So first and foremost, I would definitely say it is not Mind Over Matter, and I'm not a big fan of Mind Over Matter. 973 01:02:23.517 --> 01:02:29.602 And not only that, I see people heal from, like there was somebody on my podcast that just healed themselves from stage four cancer. 974 01:02:30.402 --> 01:02:38.128 And they continue to go through all the treatments, and their doctors were amazed at how fast they healed and the changes that they made and all of that. 975 01:02:39.729 --> 01:02:44.333 Not only that, but the reason that you also know it's not Mind Over Matter is because the thermal images changes. 976 01:02:45.053 --> 01:02:48.776 So if it was just mind over matter, the thermal image would not change. 977 01:02:48.836 --> 01:02:53.119 Somebody would have the same thermal image and they would just say eight, zero. 978 01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:55.161 And then the thermal image would stay the same. 979 01:02:55.181 --> 01:02:57.423 So it's definitely not mind over matter. 980 01:02:58.683 --> 01:03:00.765 I see people create all kinds of changes. 981 01:03:01.546 --> 01:03:08.451 And so what I would say is this, is a way to think about it is even if you think about the Surgeon General, 982 01:03:09.176 --> 01:03:22.063 recently released a statement, a report a couple years back after COVID, that loneliness can lead to increased type 2 diabetes, stroke, heart attack, all of that. 983 01:03:22.123 --> 01:03:25.745 I mean, and heart disease is a leading cause of death. 984 01:03:26.366 --> 01:03:30.528 So when we actually just start to look at the mind-body connection, 985 01:03:31.423 --> 01:03:32.445 It's all around us. 986 01:03:32.505 --> 01:03:38.813 It's like somebody who, let's say somebody was going to die of a broken heart, but then actually healed themselves instead. 987 01:03:38.893 --> 01:03:40.976 So I would say it's not just mind over matter. 988 01:03:41.637 --> 01:03:43.760 It's the power of emotions. 989 01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:45.342 I would say our emotions... 990 01:03:46.930 --> 01:03:49.071 are so much more impactful than we realize. 991 01:03:49.091 --> 01:03:57.834 Now, of course, we know somebody can be scared and, I mean, be so scared, they die of, they're scared to death, you know? 992 01:03:57.874 --> 01:04:01.295 So if we look at the impact of emotions, it's profound. 993 01:04:01.335 --> 01:04:08.498 But I would say as a culture, it's like we've been trained to ignore them, which is so... 994 01:04:09.731 --> 01:04:12.452 crazy because we've been trained to ignore them. 995 01:04:12.692 --> 01:04:13.332 Think about this. 996 01:04:14.012 --> 01:04:19.674 An infant that doesn't get enough love can actually die, even when they're getting proper nutrition. 997 01:04:20.674 --> 01:04:22.854 It's not like they're just like, oh, peace out. 998 01:04:22.874 --> 01:04:23.975 This is mind over matter. 999 01:04:24.015 --> 01:04:24.735 I'm out of here. 1000 01:04:25.655 --> 01:04:26.595 They can actually die. 1001 01:04:27.036 --> 01:04:31.817 Or children can have failure to thrive when they don't get enough love and connection. 1002 01:04:32.947 --> 01:04:41.213 So the fact that a human being can even die as a baby or underdevelop or a senior can lose a spouse and die. 1003 01:04:42.374 --> 01:04:47.438 And then we have a stressful world and we just go, oh, you know, it's just stress. 1004 01:04:48.218 --> 01:04:51.241 That's just it's like, wait a second here. 1005 01:04:51.621 --> 01:04:51.941 What? 1006 01:04:52.602 --> 01:04:55.364 When you stop and think about it, wait a second. 1007 01:04:55.384 --> 01:04:56.745 This doesn't even make any sense. 1008 01:04:57.778 -->

01:04:59.719 So it's not mind over matter. 1009 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:06.002 It feels more like, and correct me if I'm wrong, mind and emotion managing matter. 1010 01:05:07.223 --> 01:05:10.084 I wouldn't even say managing, but influencing. 1011 01:05:10.165 --> 01:05:10.885 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1012 01:05:10.965 --> 01:05:12.046 So we could say that. 1013 01:05:12.106 --> 01:05:12.366 I mean – 1014 01:05:13.825 --> 01:05:17.148 But think about somebody with multiple personality disorder, right? 1015 01:05:17.708 --> 01:05:25.674 So if you think about that, to have actual different illnesses and different personalities, yeah, it's the power of emotions. 1016 01:05:26.395 --> 01:05:31.759 And if you ask anybody who's ever had panic attacks and suffered from panic attacks, oh, it's just your emotions, let it go. 1017 01:05:33.120 --> 01:05:37.162 You start to realize, wait a second, emotions can be pretty... 1018 01:05:37.963 --> 01:05:38.364 Profound. 1019 01:05:38.384 --> 01:05:44.173 And I would say that there's so much more going on under the surface than people realize when it comes to emotions. 1020 01:05:45.515 --> 01:05:47.778 So you have been through some amazing things. 1021 01:05:48.359 --> 01:05:49.541 And... 1022 01:05:50.765 --> 01:05:55.686 created some amazing processes, your gift process or framework. 1023 01:05:56.346 --> 01:05:59.427 And we'll make sure people know how to get a hold of that. 1024 01:05:59.447 --> 01:06:01.247 There was one thing that came out in... 1025 01:06:01.787 --> 01:06:03.327 I saw your interview with Luke's story. 1026 01:06:03.347 --> 01:06:03.967 I was lucky enough. 1027 01:06:03.987 --> 01:06:04.507 I was on his... 1028 01:06:04.967 --> 01:06:07.968 He's in Austin, so he's like a three-hour ride away. 1029 01:06:08.008 --> 01:06:08.928 So I got to ride up there. 1030 01:06:08.948 --> 01:06:14.809 And I don't know if you were maybe new to his new stage or whatever, but it's kind of cool how that's laid out, right? 1031 01:06:15.369 --> 01:06:15.569 Yeah. 1032 01:06:16.429 --> 01:06:19.250 And one of the things that came up is that you shared... 1033 01:06:20.829 --> 01:06:31.654 So with all the kind of challenges that you've had, at the end of this, just like to top it all off, you had a sexual assault case and more specifically were raped by your physician. 1034 01:06:32.335 --> 01:06:39.758 When you brought this up and you tend not to mention this, and I think I understand why, but I want to bring in a different, I think a perspective that could be helpful. 1035 01:06:40.098 --> 01:06:42.520 You were literally telling Luke, hey, stop giving it energy. 1036 01:06:42.660 --> 01:06:45.281 Like, because you don't give it, Brandy doesn't give it energy. 1037 01:06:45.321 --> 01:06:46.942 Luke, I need you to not give it energy. 1038 01:06:46.962 --> 01:06:47.062 Yeah. 1039 01:06:48.183 --> 01:06:56.239 For someone out there who might have experienced rape, maybe specifically from a person in authority, what

advice might you give them to have this? 1040 01:06:56.279 --> 01:06:59.686 You clearly have a place of peace with that event. 1041 01:07:01.670 --> 01:07:06.114 You know, this is the reason that I don't speak on it, is the very thing is this. 1042 01:07:06.915 --> 01:07:09.177 Is I would say, I've let it go. 1043 01:07:09.557 --> 01:07:10.438 You know what? 1044 01:07:10.598 --> 01:07:17.024 But the piece of advice that I would give is this, is I would say, be real with what's real. 1045 01:07:17.424 --> 01:07:21.428 And what I mean by that is that in my case... 1046 01:07:22.626 --> 01:07:25.327 The doctor took pictures of it, right? 1047 01:07:25.508 --> 01:07:27.349 So there were pictures on his cell phone. 1048 01:07:28.029 --> 01:07:40.476 Now, which wasn't great to see, but the thing of it is I think a lot of people who go through a rape feel that everybody's invalidating them or blaming them or did it really happen and questioning them. 1049 01:07:40.556 --> 01:07:42.037 So I would say... 1050 01:07:43.057 --> 01:07:48.340 when I say be real with what's real is what emotions is a person really feeling? 1051 01:07:48.380 --> 01:08:05.789 Because like in my case, I said, I said, okay, one of the things that I told myself is this, is I said, look, well, if going through my injury, the very worst thing that I ever thought happened to me in my life ended up being a gift by changing and growing, I better just change and grow. 1052 01:08:07.130 --> 01:08:09.551 So it's like kind of like, 1053 01:08:10.493 --> 01:08:15.377 The way I deal with adversity, if there's anything that's remotely even feels off, I'm like, it's time to grow. 1054 01:08:16.598 --> 01:08:27.988 That's because if you just grow and good comes out of that, then you never end up feeling like, like with my injury, for example, would I want to do it again? 1055 01:08:28.008 --> 01:08:29.149 Never, ever. 1056 01:08:29.169 --> 01:08:29.949 It was horrible. 1057 01:08:30.009 --> 01:08:30.730 It was horrible. 1058 01:08:31.817 --> 01:08:35.566 I wouldn't take it back if I could because of the things that I learned. 1059 01:08:35.586 --> 01:08:40.757 Now, I wouldn't want to go through it again, and it would have been nice if it was a lot shorter and a lot less years. 1060 01:08:41.338 --> 01:08:41.659 But... 1061 01:08:42.879 --> 01:08:52.849 I feel like my life right now, I will have a much better life and more longevity and health and happiness and an entirely better life because of what I learned. 1062 01:08:53.449 --> 01:08:59.035 And so what I would say is one thing is whatever negativity happened, grow and amplify it. 1063 01:08:59.095 --> 01:09:07.223 So 10 times more positivity happens from the growth that you say, look, wouldn't want to go through it again, but I ended up. 1064 01:09:08.958 --> 01:09:10.318 just turning it into a gift. 1065 01:09:10.358 --> 01:09:11.438 And the gift isn't the problem. 1066 01:09:11.458 --> 01:09:12.379 The gift is change. 1067 01:09:12.419 --> 01:09:15.059 And so that's what I would say. 1068 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:20.120 In my case, I also just started, yeah, I let it go. 1069 01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:22.600 I started just invalidate, like, look, I'm okay. 1070 01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.281 My body, look, my body's constantly repairing and replacing cells. 1071 01:09:26.561 --> 01:09:28.301 Okay, I'll get rid of those cells. 1072 01:09:28.401 --> 01:09:29.241 I have new cells. 1073 01:09:29.301 --> 01:09:30.782 I can let that go, da, da, da. 1074 01:09:30.802 --> 01:09:38.343 So I really, I would say when I say be real with what's real, I would say also one of my concerns is, 1075 01:09:39.438 --> 01:09:41.580 was that he would come after me. 1076 01:09:42.001 --> 01:09:43.382 That was one of my concerns. 1077 01:09:43.402 --> 01:09:57.255 Like if he got out of prison, is he going to – and even in like – yeah, I just – so I was having like fear that I was going to be like one of those girls that went missing and that he was going to come after me and kill me. 1078 01:09:57.636 --> 01:10:00.699 So that was – I think that was a big part of my – 1079 01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:07.062 anxiety and traumas and now I turned him in because the phone I stole his phone and I turned it in. 1080 01:10:07.822 --> 01:10:13.005 So then the detective had all the visible information and you could tell I was not conscious for any of it. 1081 01:10:13.485 --> 01:10:23.289 And so, so, yeah, so, so I would say in my case fear he was come after me was a big part of it and that's what I needed to heal some people. 1082 01:10:23.830 --> 01:10:24.771 feel invalidated. 1083 01:10:24.831 --> 01:10:31.878 Some people like in, so I would say that emotional patterns address what real emotional patterns come up. 1084 01:10:31.938 --> 01:10:38.625 I would say that I was grateful that I was very good at emotional patterns because then I took the emotions that I was experiencing and changed them. 1085 01:10:39.085 --> 01:10:47.413 And I would also say one of the things that ended up being a gift is that, you know, in the beginning I told you that, that, that, 1086 01:10:48.533 --> 01:11:01.278 I would help people with nutrition and then I would say to them something like, like I would say, oh, if you've had stress regarding your son or this or that, you know, you should go to therapy and you can work on it and heal it, right? 1087 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:04.700 Well at that time I had never gone to therapy. 1088 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.682 So it was basically that whole rape thing happened a couple years afterwards, after I healed. 1089 01:11:09.802 --> 01:11:12.583 And so, and so basically. 1090 01:11:14.076 --> 01:11:20.369 That was... And I've done so much... Memory... Because I've deleted so much stuff. 1091 01:11:20.429 --> 01:11:22.173 But basically... 1092 01:11:23.219 --> 01:11:25.981 That was when I realized, because I started going to therapy for it. 1093 01:11:26.001 --> 01:11:27.842 I was like, okay, I'm

having panic attack. 1094 01:11:27.862 --> 01:11:28.963 I need to da-da-da-da-da. 1095 01:11:29.023 --> 01:11:31.605 And I was going to therapy for it. 1096 01:11:31.725 --> 01:11:35.168 And then I was like, oh, my gosh, therapy is not that great. 1097 01:11:35.208 --> 01:11:41.112 I've been sending people to therapy, and therapy is not what I – I was like, I could do better than this. 1098 01:11:41.232 --> 01:11:45.675 And that's when I really started to say, okay, look, let me show people how to work with the mind. 1099 01:11:45.715 --> 01:11:49.919 So I would say it was just another unfoldment of a layer of all of the things. 1100 01:11:49.959 --> 01:11:51.700 But if I were to simplify it, I would say – 1101 01:11:52.905 --> 01:11:54.546 Identify the specific emotions. 1102 01:11:55.026 --> 01:12:00.228 The best way to deal with emotions is to identify them and really, really transform them. 1103 01:12:00.488 --> 01:12:04.569 And everything is how you feel about it. 1104 01:12:04.889 --> 01:12:07.290 And to me, I dealt with the emotions. 1105 01:12:07.350 --> 01:12:09.011 How I feel about it is that it's... 1106 01:12:10.471 --> 01:12:20.756 And I just honestly don't want to offend anybody else by belittling my situation and somebody else feels that's that's why I don't speak about it much because I don't want somebody to say, oh, well, she's saying it's not that big of a deal. 1107 01:12:21.417 --> 01:12:23.658 And it's because I needed to do that for me. 1108 01:12:23.798 --> 01:12:30.401 You know, it's like if something is always a big deal, if you're if you turn 60 or 70 or 80 and something is still a big deal, you didn't heal it. 1109 01:12:30.761 --> 01:12:31.742 And so for me. 1110 01:12:32.562 --> 01:12:35.245 To be able to heal, it just had to become not that big of a deal. 1111 01:12:35.565 --> 01:12:41.372 And that's what I would tell anybody, is when you make your life more important than that, and you make it insignificant. 1112 01:12:41.953 --> 01:12:44.736 So that's where I say, I don't give it significance in my life. 1113 01:12:45.236 --> 01:12:46.037 It doesn't define me. 1114 01:12:46.858 --> 01:12:48.480 And moving on. 1115 01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:49.361 Okay. 1116 01:12:50.170 --> 01:12:52.593 Well, thank you for that gift. 1117 01:12:52.793 --> 01:12:56.898 That's what I was hoping because I think that can provide some guidance for some people. 1118 01:12:57.900 --> 01:12:59.702 We're about to get to our wrap-up questions. 1119 01:12:59.922 --> 01:13:07.692 Before we get to our wrap-up questions, is there anything maybe we didn't touch on or some sort of summary that you might want to share with the Live Beyond the Norms audience? 1120 01:13:08.370 --> 01:13:09.171 I would say this. 1121 01:13:09.191 --> 01:13:12.714 I would say we are so much more amazing than we realize. 1122 01:13:12.874 --> 01:13:17.958 I would also say that we as a culture overlook the importance of emotions. 1123 01:13:18.058 --> 01:13:24.283 And if

somebody told me that my emotions could help me heal my body, I would have thought that it was ridiculous. 1124 01:13:24.363 --> 01:13:25.164 I had an accident. 1125 01:13:25.204 --> 01:13:26.004 I had an injury. 1126 01:13:26.125 --> 01:13:28.206 I probably would have been offended. 1127 01:13:28.266 --> 01:13:31.009 I would have been like, you want my emotions to heal my body? 1128 01:13:31.029 --> 01:13:32.490 What's wrong with you? 1129 01:13:32.510 --> 01:13:34.832 I'm certain I would have been offended. 1130 01:13:35.852 --> 01:13:43.317 It was only through the channel that I went through of placebo and then multiple personality disorder. 1131 01:13:43.377 --> 01:13:52.962 And then because of the way that I discovered and went through it, it then helped me to see things in a different way. 1132 01:13:53.022 --> 01:14:01.107 I would also say that when we start to look at emotions for a moment, there are other things that are connected to it, such as biochemistry, such as biophotons. 1133 01:14:01.571 --> 01:14:19.398 Now, a lot of times people think energy of the body is just woo-woo, but biophotons are an energy of the body, and the scientist who discovered the biophotons was actually nominated for a Nobel Prize, 11 Nobel Prizes, about 100 years ago now. 1134 01:14:20.158 --> 01:14:24.840 And, yeah, and a lot of times people think, oh, energy of the body, this is woo-woo. 1135 01:14:24.900 --> 01:14:28.281 No, it actually exists, and our emotions exist, 1136 01:14:28.901 --> 01:14:39.207 can actually in those studies, medical studies that actually show that our emotions can actually influence these bio photons and that they're bio photons that are connected to different illnesses and whatnot. 1137 01:14:39.227 --> 01:14:50.373 So if you go further down the rabbit hole, there's a whole lot of technical information behind this, where you start to see things, even from a very strong technical awareness and aspect. 1138 01:14:51.554 --> 01:14:51.954 Excellent. 1139 01:14:52.834 --> 01:14:54.775 All right, Brandy, here are our wrap up questions. 1140 01:14:54.955 --> 01:14:57.457 Brandy, do you have a target age that you want to live to? 1141 01:14:58.355 --> 01:15:02.438 You know, I actually don't identify with an age. 1142 01:15:02.998 --> 01:15:04.879 So I don't own an age. 1143 01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:05.700 I don't own a number. 1144 01:15:06.461 --> 01:15:12.985 So I would say for that reason, I don't have a target age because this is the way I look at it. 1145 01:15:13.425 --> 01:15:17.288 Imagine somebody who is 90 years old. 1146 01:15:18.229 --> 01:15:19.449 Do you have a picture of what that looks like? 1147 01:15:20.870 --> 01:15:22.512 Yes, but my picture is wrong. 1148 01:15:22.532 --> 01:15:22.652 Yeah. 1149 01:15:24.008 --> 01:15:24.368 See? 1150 01:15:24.689 --> 01:15:26.510 But it's still the picture. 1151 01:15:26.670 --> 01:15:29.392 We can argue like the picture is the picture, but I think the picture is wrong. 1152 01:15:30.193 --> 01:15:31.494 And it's in the subconscious mind. 1153 01:15:31.834 --> 01:15:36.898 So if I picture somebody who's 90 years old, I have a certain picture of what that looks like for the average person. 1154 01:15:37.238 --> 01:15:40.401 Do I then want to own an age of 90? 1155 01:15:40.621 --> 01:15:46.406 I don't because of my own association of what that looks like based on other people's values. 1156 01:15:47.086 --> 01:15:48.046 Where other people are. 1157 01:15:48.086 --> 01:15:57.109 So I feel like if I own an age and I identify with an age and I have an idea of what that looks like in our culture, then I'm programming myself to be like that. 1158 01:15:57.169 --> 01:15:58.369 So I just don't own an age. 1159 01:15:59.710 --> 01:16:01.370 How long do you think humans can live? 1160 01:16:01.450 --> 01:16:06.692 Maybe you've got that perspective or maybe for the exact same reason you're like, I don't want a number on that either. 1161 01:16:07.748 --> 01:16:11.869 You know, the body's constantly repairing and replacing cells, right? 1162 01:16:12.469 --> 01:16:13.029 Constantly. 1163 01:16:13.109 --> 01:16:20.450 Like even medical research would say we have about a whole new skeleton approximately, what, every 10 years or so and whatnot. 1164 01:16:21.971 --> 01:16:24.091 So I wonder. 1165 01:16:24.771 --> 01:16:25.311 I'll put that. 1166 01:16:25.431 --> 01:16:28.952 I have, I think, I think it's longer than we think. 1167 01:16:29.112 --> 01:16:30.712 I think if, it's kind of like this. 1168 01:16:31.532 --> 01:16:34.073 Have you ever seen somebody who's really, really, really stressed before? 1169 01:16:34.893 --> 01:16:37.714 Maybe they were in a marriage or divorce or something like that. 1170 01:16:38.294 --> 01:16:40.275 And then after they got out of it, they looked younger. 1171 01:16:40.295 --> 01:16:41.116 Yeah. 1172 01:16:41.436 --> 01:16:49.179 Yeah, I know after I healed, one of the first things my mother said after she was shocked and amazed, she said, I can't believe that you look so much younger. 1173 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.200 I was like, thank you. 1174 01:16:51.460 --> 01:16:57.862 So I'm just saying it's interesting that as we de-stress, cell proliferation in the body heals faster. 1175 01:16:57.922 --> 01:16:59.563 And so I wonder... 1176 01:17:00.195 --> 01:17:01.176 is the answer to that. 1177 01:17:01.456 --> 01:17:03.277 I think it's better than we think. 1178 01:17:03.297 --> 01:17:11.282 Brandy, what are two to three protocols, habits, mindsets, let's call them shortcuts, because everybody likes shortcuts, two longevity and a long health span that you would share? 1179 01:17:13.223 --> 01:17:15.525 I would say this, always having something to look forward to. 1180 01:17:16.185 --> 01:17:18.047 So that is key. 1181 01:17:19.508 --> 01:17:27.353 I would also say, and I think this is where a lot of people go wrong is this, is I would say that, you know, as we get older and older, 1182 01:17:28.113

--> 01:17:29.013 people tend to do this. 1183 01:17:29.473 --> 01:17:33.494 They go, oh my gosh, that next generation is so scary. 1184 01:17:33.774 --> 01:17:48.878 So they freak themselves out about the younger generation, whether it's, you know, we could say in the 80s, music was all devil-worshipping, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, or whatever, heavy metal, whatever you want to call it, like, oh, the 70s, they were listening, you know, there's all of the different things. 1185 01:17:48.898 --> 01:17:51.099 They're listening to, like, Elvester. 1186 01:17:51.519 --> 01:17:54.220 But my point is, is every generation seems to go, 1187 01:17:56.061 --> 01:18:08.627 freak themselves out and scare themselves by what the younger generations are doing and create a sense of distrust and whatnot that can create a foundational fear and uncertainty of life that can impact health and people don't realize it. 1188 01:18:09.067 --> 01:18:10.068 So I would say don't do that. 1189 01:18:10.608 --> 01:18:24.395 I would say instead be willing to embrace the change of the times and find the safety in them and have that mental flexibility to embrace that without fear. 1190 01:18:25.550 --> 01:18:26.650 So I'd say that is a big one. 1191 01:18:27.350 --> 01:18:27.690 All right. 1192 01:18:28.511 --> 01:18:33.672 Brandy, what are one or two things people get absolutely wrong regarding longevity and a long health span? 1193 01:18:33.932 --> 01:18:42.273 I would say all the time people try to just set their mind to it and I would say they overlook things like this, the underlying fears. 1194 01:18:43.853 --> 01:18:46.454 And yeah, I would say that. 1195 01:18:46.614 --> 01:18:52.455 I would also say always continue to make friends with people that are younger than you. 1196 01:18:54.233 --> 01:19:06.068 And connect because what I've seen happen is that sometimes people feel like they've set like a really long, good longevity goal, and then they start to lose people around them who are closest to them. 1197 01:19:07.237 --> 01:19:08.457 and it messes them up. 1198 01:19:08.818 --> 01:19:17.801 So they're headstrong, they know they're gonna make it, and then they're losing Betty or Sally or Johnny or this or that, and they start losing people. 1199 01:19:18.641 --> 01:19:27.384 And their whole mindset of where they think they were going gets a bit derailed by other people's passing. 1200 01:19:27.444 --> 01:19:28.164 Passing, yeah. 1201 01:19:28.785 --> 01:19:31.345 All right, Brandy, how can people contact you? 1202 01:19:31.365 --> 01:19:32.726 Sorry to be very real, but that's sad. 1203 01:19:32.746 --> 01:19:33.866 No, that's real, I like it. 1204 01:19:34.206 --> 01:19:35.427 How can people contact you? 1205 01:19:36.381 --> 01:19:40.202 My website is brandygilmore.com. 1206 01:19:40.302 --> 01:19:41.942 It's B-R-A-N-D-Y. 1207 01:19:42.002 --> 01:19:44.063 Gilmore is with two L's. 1208 01:19:44.903 --> 01:19:47.324 G-I-L-L-M-O-R-E.com. 1209 01:19:47.404 --> 01:19:54.485 And what's really cool is those images we've been talking about where you can see mind-body healing under medical equipment with the thermography. 1210 01:19:54.505 --> 01:19:58.046 There's some of those images, and it's also been published in a medical journal. 1211 01:19:58.066 --> 01:20:03.687 And so there's links to that, which are really cool to see because I think everybody should know about the power of the mind. 1212 01:20:04.068 --> 01:20:05.468 It's incredible what we're capable of. 1213 01:20:05.628 --> 01:20:05.868 Yeah. 1214 01:20:06.432 --> 01:20:06.712 Excellent. 1215 01:20:06.752 --> 01:20:11.298 And then also on Instagram, you have like 100,000 followers on Instagram, 100,000 plus. 1216 01:20:11.558 --> 01:20:12.780 What's the handle there? 1217 01:20:13.861 --> 01:20:14.762 It is Brandi Gilmore. 1218 01:20:15.303 --> 01:20:15.543 Also. 1219 01:20:15.783 --> 01:20:16.044 Okay. 1220 01:20:16.304 --> 01:20:16.865 Yes, it is. 1221 01:20:17.826 --> 01:20:18.286 Come join me. 1222 01:20:18.406 --> 01:20:18.947 Say hi. 1223 01:20:19.187 --> 01:20:19.348 Yeah. 1224 01:20:20.229 --> 01:20:22.892 What in the near future are you excited about? 1225 01:20:23.859 --> 01:20:28.322 So many things, so many things, so many things. 1226 01:20:28.342 --> 01:20:34.966 But I would say the first thing that comes top of mind, I am working on it, it's not quite done yet, but I'm working on a practitioner course. 1227 01:20:35.707 --> 01:20:38.668 And so it's not done yet, but I'm very excited about that. 1228 01:20:38.728 --> 01:20:42.011 I'm also publishing more work in a medical journal to me. 1229 01:20:43.171 --> 01:20:54.819 proving the power of the mind and showing it under medical equipment and all of these things is definitely something I'm very passionate about because most people don't think that you can actually get results with the mind and I wouldn't have either. 1230 01:20:54.999 --> 01:20:58.001 And so I would have been the world's biggest skeptic. 1231 01:20:58.061 --> 01:21:03.524 In fact, when I started, I thought it was all ridiculous and everything's changed. 1232 01:21:03.564 --> 01:21:05.625 So that's what I'm passionate about. 1233 01:21:05.825 --> 01:21:06.106 Excellent. 1234 01:21:06.146 --> 01:21:06.406 All right. 1235 01:21:06.426 --> 01:21:09.988 You can find her at brandygilmore.com on Instagram. 1236 01:21:10.128 --> 01:21:11.229 It's brandygilmore.com. 1237 01:21:11.569 --> 01:21:13.531 Brandy, thank you so much for joining us today. 1238 01:21:14.092 --> 01:21:15.113 Chris, you're so lovely. 1239 01:21:15.173 --> 01:21:16.835 It has been so wonderful to connect with you. 1240 01:21:17.035 --> 01:21:17.356 Thank you. 1241 01:21:18.170 --> 01:21:21.612 I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Live Beyond the Norms podcast. 1242 01:21:22.173 --> 01:21:23.934 Make sure to subscribe and follow. 1243 01:21:24.534 --> 01:21:31.919 Also, make sure not to be that guy, the guy sharing this podcast with people who are not interested in living beyond the norms. 1244 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:44.068 If you would like to learn more about the ESS60 molecule, the molecule responsible for the single longest longevity experimental result on mammals in history, a full 90% extension of life, the ESS60 molecule. 1245 01:21:44.708 --> 01:21:46.792 visit myvitalsea.com. 1246 01:21:47.353 --> 01:21:50.500 That's myvitalsea, as in carbon, dot com.