התמלול המלא של Optimism versus Neutral | With 'Win Today' author, Josh Lifrak

psychology side of things more, but mental conditioning coach, our job is to help athletes, performers, executives, what have you, help them use their mind to perform at their highest levels. 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:54.560 All right. 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:04.560 At its basic, at its basic, that's like we're gonna coach you on the things that you think about what you think in order to perform at the highest levels. 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:20.319 So that's really, really what we do is is we're gonna develop systems, we're gonna develop training, we're gonna develop education, we're gonna develop uh support systems, we're gonna develop uh ways to help you apply the tools in the real world, i.e. 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.279 the baseball diamond or the boardroom, yeah, right? 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:24.480 And that that's what we do. 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:31.600 Um but it really is what we're focused on is is helping people use their minds to optimize their performance. 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:40.240 Is it is there a difference, do you think, a really stark difference between you know the corporate athlete versus the athlete when when you're when you're coaching them? 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.560 The the biggest difference is the immediacy of results, right? 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:44.800 Okay. 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:53.120 So so the the physical athlete, the sport athlete, what they're doing is going to have immediate consequences, right? 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:57.120 If I'm if I'm distracted, the pitch is buy me. 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:58.560 Boom, strike one. 00:04:58.959 --> 00:04:59.600 Yeah, yeah. 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:07.040 If I'm if I'm distracted and I'm scrolling Instagram and instead of making sales calls, uh it might take a little bit of time. 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:07.279 Yeah. 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.199 Yeah, when you get to get the IMS data on that Thursday, it might take the monthly. 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:12.160 It might take a little bit of time. 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:16.240 So I think that's the biggest difference is the immediacy of the results. 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.160 And then, you know, pressure is an interesting thing. 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:25.199 You you think about pressure, and it's a lot of times it's it's you know manufactured from within. 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.839 Sometimes it's manufactured from without. 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.319 And and I think that is is real too. 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:44.639 I mean, if I'm hitting 185 and I look up in you know, Wrigley Field, there's a 40-foot picture of me on a board out there saying, I stink. 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:46.800 Yeah, I'm hitting 180. 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:49.759 I am not good right now, and it's like in your face. 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:50.160 Right. 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:51.199 So there's that too. 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:54.720 And then there's 40,000 people either cheering or booing you. 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:58.879 Um, so that's you know, you can

feel some some sort of pressure from from that as well. 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:16.399 And and you know, Josh, you know, I would I would even, you know, I don't know, challenge or or even kind of feel, you know, feel it back a little bit on that, on that component of the difference might be like the immediate immediacy of the impact if you're you know not looking for that next pitch or whatever it is, like in baseball or whatever it might be. 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:22.480 Because like in sales, you know, there's we have our you know, on-field and off-field kind of work to do. 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:30.079 Like the off-field work is, you know, you know, pre-call planning and and understanding our market, you know, analytics, all these different things, understanding our product knowledge and so on and so forth. 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:34.639 That over time, you know, micro distractions will impact you over a period of time. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:42.560 But like, you know, the on-field examples are like, you know, I'm in front of a customer and I'm, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm you know, we talk about be where your feet are, that presence, right? 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:49.120 For example, if I'm not there, I might miss, you know, a key, you know, question that, you know, my buyer or prospect has asked me. 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:57.759 I might, you know, miss an opportunity to kind of really ask that second or third question that kind of gets me to a close or whatever it might be, or might miss my opportunity that's like right there in front of me. 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.839 So I think that, you know, the immediate it's all a different arena and shows up differently. 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:27.279 But I think that, you know, when we're not in the right frame of mind, when we're not, you know, we'll talk a little bit about neutral and and thinking about the facts and and the next right step, you know, when we're not, you know, really flexing that muscle in real time, it can impact you, you know, in, you know, immediately, you know, just like an athlete, um, a kick, you know, a kick, you know, the game-winning field goal, the the the two out, two-strike, you know, curveball that you get and all whatever it might be. 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.199 So I think it's it's so similar. 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:39.120 And, you know, funny enough, in those types of roles, you know, we hire a lot of former athletes because we hope, we believe that they're that they have a certain readiness for that type of dynamic. 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:47.600 Um, but I think the neglect, you know, where leaders typically neglect it is we make that assumption that everybody, because they played a sport in the past, that they're that they have a high level of readiness. 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:49.759 But yeah, that readiness can kind of come and go. 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.360 It's a muscle that will atrophy if it's not constantly worked on, right? 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.600 Josh, you mentioned score, like seeing a scoreboard all the time, right? 00:07:57.759 --> 00:07:58.639 As for an athlete. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:08.480 I imagine whether it's a a sales rep, somebody just you know driving to work, they're seeing a scoreboard almost on every other corner right now with high gas prices, right? 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:15.839 There's there's political tensions, there's all these things that on the micro or macro level that can be distracting to somebody. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:22.480 How would you coach a, you know, whether it's an athlete or a corporate athlete on how to navigate through those things during this time? 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.680 Yeah, I mean, I think those are all their hair, right? 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.160 And a lot of times they are in our face. 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:37.120 And, you know, Harry talks about it all the time, like doing the negativity audit and then having a negativity diet if that's a feasible option for you. 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.600 The the the big key is this like what what's what's the main thing? 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.000 You know, they keep the main thing the main thing. 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:49.360 You've heard that before, or you know, the other what the other one we always talk about is what's important now, win, right? 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:50.480 It's right there, win. 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.240 What is important now? 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.120 And I think, yeah, those those can impact things. 00:08:55.279 --> 00:09:01.440 And maybe they're adding more, they're adding less wiggle room for failure, right? 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:03.279 I guess maybe a way to put it. 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.519 But the job remains the same, right? 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:12.799 And I think that that's the big key is okay, yeah, those things can impact us, but what am I trying, what am I, what am I working to accomplish? 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:17.600 And then what are the steps I need to accomplish those steps to accomplish that thing? 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:23.759 So I I do that over and over, and I keep coming back to that and I keep asking myself that question, what's important now? 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:24.960 What is the main thing? 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.279 Boom, let's get back to that over and over and over again. 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.919 It doesn't matter if we get distracted, you're gonna get distracted. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:38.080 Yeah, what matters is how long you stay distracted and how quickly you could draw yourself back in to the things that are gonna help you move forward. 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:38.639 That's right. 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:39.120 That's good. 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:40.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:56.399 Listen, like if the you know, if there's one person listening to this, you know, this episode a day or a thousand or a million, most of us have been told to, you know, at some point in any given situation

to stay positive or to think positive or to, hey, listen, just you know, you know, let's uh let's let's be positive, right? 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:05.120 Why do you why would you say that that advice that most of us have given someone ourselves or that we've heard, why would you say that that advice is is maybe misguided? 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.399 Okay, so what are we staying positive about? 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.279 What does positivity get us? 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.919 Well, positivity gets us a feeling. 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:20.240 Well, what do we know that feelings don't execute, behaviors and actions execute? 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:28.320 Okay, so staying positive, a lot of times, what you know, also too, like let's okay, let's take it to the sports analogy. 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:29.919 You're at a tennis match to Harry. 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.480 You play tennis, you're a spectacular pickleball player. 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:36.399 Harry's in the kitchen three pickleball points in a row. 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:41.039 Harry puts the ball into the net on the fourth point and then misses his serve on the fifth point. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:42.320 This is hypothetical, by the way. 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:48.639 I just I stopped, I stopped following you after you when you said Harry's in the kitchen. 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:50.559 I'm I like I'm not even thinking about pickleball. 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:51.919 I'm thinking distracted. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:53.279 You got what's important now, DJ? 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.120 Okay, keep coming back, keep coming back, keep going. 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:55.679 Go ahead. 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:56.080 Right? 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.080 Hey man, stay positive, Harry. 00:10:58.240 --> 00:10:58.879 Stay positive. 00:10:58.960 --> 00:10:59.840 You're doing great. 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.159 You just blew five points in a row, bro. 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:03.840 This guy stinks right now. 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:04.399 Okay. 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.919 So the reality is, will you be bad forever? 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:08.399 No. 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:08.799 Right? 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:10.000 Will you be good forever? 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:10.480 No. 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.919 The reality is, okay, I've messed up. 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:19.039 Me being positive about messing up isn't going to help me perform the next step. 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:21.279 I have to figure out what I did wrong. 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:22.960 I got to figure out my footwork. 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:24.879 I got to figure out if I'm seeing the ball. 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.039 I got to figure out where I'm moving to. 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:28.480 Those are the things that are important. 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:39.919 But if I'm sitting there going, oh, it's gonna come, it's gonna come, and it's gonna come, and I'm positive about it, but I don't actually do anything to change what I'm doing, then I'm gonna continue to get the same results. 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:52.080 And so be me being positive isn't going to help me move to the next step, which is adjusting, being adaptable, and fixing what's going wrong in order to move forward. 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.120 So that's my biggest issue with stay positive. 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.399 I worked with uh sports psycho, fame sports psychologist Kenny Revisa. 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:05.519 And Kenny always had this had this saying, and I love this saying said, Are you so crappy that you gotta feel good to play great? 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:06.720 And I love that, right? 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:08.960 Because sometimes we're not gonna feel good. 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:10.480 And he was always an advocate. 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:15.759 He hated the positive mindset stuff, he hated the book The Secret, he hated all the affirmation stuff. 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.120 He he really was against it. 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:21.360 And it was interesting because, you know, I I believe in creating your own identity and things of that nature. 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:23.679 And sometimes affirmations play a big role in that. 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:42.639 But he said, if it's not out of fact, if you're just pipe dreaming it, if you're just hoping, you're not gonna do the work that's required to stay focused, to stay locked in, to have the motivation to get into the gym, to have the motivation to take those extra swings in the batting cage, to have the motivation to, you know, read the scouting report and come up with a game plan. 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:47.440 If you're just sitting there going, oh, it's gonna all gonna work out, oftentimes you actually won't do that work. 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.240 It gives you an excuse to not do that work. 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:58.559 And so that's my problem with positivity is sometimes people lean on it as a reason to do the things that unsuccessful people do. 00:12:58.799 --> 00:12:59.120 Okay. 00:12:59.360 --> 00:12:59.759 Yeah. 00:12:59.919 --> 00:13:03.360 I mean, it's interesting too because it's like you you talk about affirmations. 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.080 I know you're a big believer of intentions, right? 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.840 And and and like when you're when you go on your walk in the morning, right? 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.120 You cross that bridge with your dog and you set your intention every day. 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:14.720 What was your intention this morning, by the way? 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:17.840 Uh my intention was to be compassionate and peaceful today. 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:19.440 It is October 7th, after all. 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.840 So let's be compassionate and peaceful and care about each other. 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:23.759 Unbelievable, mine was peace. 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:25.279 Today, mine was peace. 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:26.399 That that's so cool. 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.080 And I have been setting my

intention ever since uh I've been working with Josh. 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.919 Um, you know, I I think one of the things, you know, so so that's what's interesting. 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:43.360 Like intention in and just being focused, right, on on peace or whatever your intention is for that day, versus like, you know, uh an affirmation. 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.399 How how would you how would you say those two are are different? 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.360 I think the intention can lead into the affirmation. 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:49.840 Okay. 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.080 So I'm setting my intention, compassionate, peaceful, right? 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:05.759 Now to really hone that down and to to make it live a little bit more, you know, I am calm, I am, I am present, I am focused, right? 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:12.080 Reminding myself of those behaviors and attributes can really kind of ground me into what I want to be. 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:16.399 But I have to know what I want to be before I can decide what I'm gonna do. 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.120 Okay, okay, good, good stuff. 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:26.879 Take us back to 2016, uh, you know, when you guys uh you're with the Chicago Cubs, obviously you guys won the World Series. 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:31.039 What's happening between the ears in that clubhouse that fans might not know? 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.519 I mean, I'm I'm in clean I'm in Cleveland right now. 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:34.720 We're down 2-0, right? 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:35.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:41.200 Uh and and it's and and and so unpack, well, yeah, what what's going between the ears in a clubhouse like that? 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.360 So, so one of the un what's what what's the right word I'm looking for? 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:47.200 You it's a tough thing to measure. 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:47.519 Okay. 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:56.399 So it's a statistic and it's a it's a it's a thing that was really apparent within the clubhouse of of the Chicago Cubs. 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:04.080 And and there was a a great Einstein quote that I came across later that were, you know, there are things that count that cannot be counted. 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.480 There are things that count that cannot be counted. 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.840 Uh, and then there are things that are counted that do not count. 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:11.759 So that's kind of you know, I love that. 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:12.799 That's Einstein voice. 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:13.519 That's great. 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:20.399 But one of the things that we had in that locker room, and it's really tough to uh you can't fake it, was love. 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:26.159 There was an absolute love for each other in that clubhouse. 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:29.200 Guys truly cared about each other. 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:41.840 It was special, and and I saw it as funny because you know, uh, I was talking to a potential client

there in Chicago, and they were talking about they had seen Theo Epstein, our president, just speak recently. 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.720 And they were asking him about how to build a culture. 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:55.840 And and Theo's response was, you know, when he came into the Cubs, what he wanted to do was to create an environment and an atmosphere where people wanted to never leave the Cubs. 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:02.639 He wanted to create this atmosphere where people would bleed cubby blue, you know, that they would care so much about it. 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:04.240 And he absolutely did that. 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:13.200 When I left the Cubs in 2019, I was bawling, like bawling like it was a funeral bawling, like driving ugly cry. 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:15.039 That's how bad I was crying, right? 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.200 And so and that so congratulations, Theo, you were able to do that. 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:25.679 But one of the factors that he created was love, and and and he showed that from a leadership perspective. 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:33.919 He empowered people, he listened to people, he asked questions about people, he was curious and he lifted everybody up. 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.399 That was infectious throughout our organization. 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.080 And so in the clubhouse, the guys were the same way. 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:51.200 They cared about each other, they went out together all the time, they smiled together, they laughed together, they cried together, they put their arms around each other, and you can't fake that. 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:51.600 Right. 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.600 And it was so organic, and I think it was because we were on this mission. 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.759 We were on this mission to do something that had not been done in 108 years, right? 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.519 To to win this World Series, to climb this Mount Everest thing, to do the impossible. 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:05.920 And to do the impossible, you can never do it alone. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.759 You have to do it with the people that are next to it. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:16.799 So, what was going on in the brains of the 2016 Cubs when they're down 3-1 is I love these guys and I want to keep hanging out with them. 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:24.400 And I'm gonna do whatever it takes in this game to make sure that we have a game five and a game six and a game, sorry, a game six and a game seven, right? 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:25.680 So we got to win game five. 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:26.720 We're gonna win game five. 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:37.440 The reason I'm gonna do that is because I care about Chris Bryant, because I care about Wilson Contreras, because I love Kyle Schwarber, because Anthony Rizzo doesn't want Rossi's last game to be a loss. 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:37.759 Right. 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:40.799 John Lester cares about every single person in that clubhouse. 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:42.880 That's that's why that's so cool. 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:44.240 Yeah, no, I I love it. 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:44.640 I love it. 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.319 I hope, I hope this I hope we can release this, you know, before, you know, very soon. 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:59.920 Anna, let's get this out quickly with Cleveland being down two zero because we they're it's funny you say that because like I had a note here, uh DJ about that series, but from the other lens, from the White Sox lens. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.759 So they're playing Chicago White Sox currently, and like you said, this White Sox were up two. 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:12.559 Oh, what's interesting about the White Sox, and this kind of reminds me, it's a it's a different story, if you will, than the Cubs, because the Cubs had that the lovable losers, however many years, how many years? 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:13.119 How many years? 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:14.400 108. 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:15.119 128. 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:15.680 Right. 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:21.680 In this case, like you know, I don't know all the history in the White Sox, but I do know that last year they had 121 losses. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:22.400 Dang. 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:23.279 121 losses. 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:29.200 Now, don't get it twisted, it's not like they had 60 this year, they had still had like 102 losses, right? 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:30.720 But they made it to the playoffs, right? 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:32.640 Yeah, there's no way they had 102 losses. 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.039 They had, I think they had about like 70 or 80 losses. 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:36.559 Okay, cool. 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:37.359 So I don't know. 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.079 Because if you're if you're 81 and 81, you're that's one thing. 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:40.400 That's right. 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:41.039 That's right, that's right. 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:42.160 So they were way better than that. 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.519 They were they won the you know, they were plus plus six hundred, probably. 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.200 They got a wild, what they get a wild card. 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:47.680 Wild card? 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:48.720 No, no, they won their division. 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:49.680 They won their division. 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:50.079 Gotcha. 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.119 What um so so even so even better, right? 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:58.480 So I mean they've they've cut their you know their their their losses quite a bit, and and you know, did they have a new coach? 00:18:58.559 --> 00:18:59.359 Is this a new new teacher? 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:00.799 Yeah, Will Will's over there now. 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:05.839 Will was with us uh as a first base coach, uh 2018, 2019, I believe. 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.799 So yeah, he's a he's a little bit of the cubby's tree, you know? 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:09.440 That's really cool. 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.559 He's an awesome guy, Will

Venables, unbelievable human being. 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:18.480 But it you know it's and it's very easy, especially if you're on that team last year, to be like, you know, like how do you turn the switch, right? 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:29.519 From from what must have been some level of emotion around, you know, the the losses the year previous into now, you know, not not carrying that with you, right? 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:41.359 Yeah, and you know, we t we talk about language, we talk about like what we're saying to ourselves, and I'd wonder what their inner dialogue is as an organization, you know, is it hopefully, and maybe it's evident that it's kind of like a that was then, right? 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:44.079 That was then, and what's but what's true now, right? 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:49.039 You mentioned like what's important now, you know, what's what's true now is that isn't maybe another way to look at it. 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:59.599 You know, what would what would you be your perspective if you're in that locker room, if you're working with those guys, that staff, and you're up, you know, you're up 2-0, you know, in a five-game series, and so then the next step is you know the NL or the uh ALCS, right? 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:01.119 So yeah, you're not there yet, though. 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:02.000 You ain't there yet. 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:02.880 You only won two games. 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:04.319 You guys still gotta win one more. 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.079 And winning in a major league baseball game, let alone a major league playoff baseball game, is really, really, really hard. 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.599 Okay, it's it's playoff baseball is different than regular baseball. 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:18.079 It is every single pitch matters, every single one. 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.160 So a two-one count is a lot different than a one-two count, right? 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:27.920 And so that all those all those pitches matter, and so that is the difference. 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:34.000 The energy is up, everybody's focused on that field is up, everybody's locked in, the intensity ratchet up. 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.240 Tropicana field was sold out. 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.240 Just I mean, let's put it in perspective, right? 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.960 The the trap down here in Tampa was sold out. 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:43.200 Do you know how many sellouts they've had in the last five years? 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:44.640 Like probably yesterday. 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:45.920 That was it, right? 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.000 So, so it's a it's a different beast. 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:49.039 It's a different beast. 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.119 So um, that's the first thing. 00:20:51.359 --> 00:21:06.160 And so the the White Sox, what they should be focusing on is the process that they've done over and over and over again to get ready for the game, and then the process of executing what they need to execute in the game. 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:06.960 And that's it. 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:13.200 That's all they should be focused on because the moment they start thinking about winning and losing is the moment they get distracted. 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:15.759 And again, those are those are outcomes. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.359 And one of the biggest things is as you know, is the process. 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.160 And we used to say it in Chicago: the process is fearless. 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:25.279 So if I'm focused on my process, I'm not worried about 108 years. 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:25.759 That's right. 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.039 I'm not worried about yesterday. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:28.400 I'm not worried about tomorrow. 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:34.400 I'm focused on this pitch right here and what I need to do to execute to be successful in this pitch. 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:42.480 Well, Josh, like if you're the um, if you're the Yankees, you're down to uh, you know, you know, the one of the most storied organizations in Major League Baseball. 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:43.920 You know, you're down against the Rays, right? 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:45.359 Rays have a great team this year. 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:50.240 You know, so on the flip, you know, uh what do you what are you saying to yourself? 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:54.960 Like, give me an example of you know how we go from you know what might be negative, right? 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.599 Certainly that certainly the media, uh being in New York, you know, all the pressure, you know, what is the 00:22:00.160 --> 00:23:20.640 is the what is the mantra what is the what is the what is the language um got an opportunity yeah got an opportunity just any listen just win one i mean that's the whole thing right and and how do you win that one well you go back again the same thing as if you're up two oh as if you're down oh two what is the process that has helped me be successful what is the game plan that we need to execute in order to beat this feisty team from Tampa what do we gotta do right so you know game two they the Yankees were sloppy right and they admit that and they had some errors and it cost them a bunch of runs and that was the difference of the game that's the other thing is the errors and the mistakes are massive within playoff baseball like one little mistake changes the game often and so that being said right it's not about being perfect but it is about being present yeah right and when we're present more we have a better chance of being perfect so get present be here be here when be here now you know that's right chapter five win today win today baby uh what what why why do you think you you've mentioned a couple times now like it's massive right like the is it because the pressure the stakes and like how does how does a player like you know whether I'm trying to win presence club award you know in business or I'm trying to win a World Series like like how do I how do I manage

through that pressure and those high stakes? 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:42.000 Well I mean the the biggest thing again is recognizing okay this is where I am these are these are maybe some of the the the energy that I have around this thing I'm feeling a certain way um but ultimately what matters is the execution of the task that's in front of me. 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:42.880 That's it. 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:54.240 Can I execute at a very high level what do I need to do in order to execute at that level if I'm trying to become president's club am I making 21 outreaches a morning am I still doing that? 00:23:54.640 --> 00:24:02.720 Hey I've already put in nine and a half great months let me take my foot off the gas today and get away from my process no double down on your process. 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:47.119 Okay you know go go hey 21 let's go to 30 let's go 35 outreaches today you know let's let's those types of things matter and and you know and when you're talking about hey winning the World Series everybody was nervous are you kidding me game seven hundred and eight years we're all freaking out but ultimately it took hey one pitch it was one curveball and a ground out to third base and then Chris Bryant picks up the ball he slips as he throws but he's still good enough to execute across the diamond and I think that's the big thing is okay in those moments of pressure we are going to have nerves we are going to have anxiety but guess what the same neurotransmitters that fire off when you're nervous are the same neurotransmitters that fire off when you're excited. 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.480 So is this a challenge or is it an opportunity? 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:54.319 I love to lean on that that this is an opportunity to me to be successful. 00:24:54.559 --> 00:25:30.079 It's kind of like you know there was there was a lot of research about losing versus winning and when you're trying not to give up something when you're trying not to lose something you act differently than when you're trying to actually go and win something okay and when you act the the way you act differently when you're trying to not lose something is you become more cautious you become more tentative you become um less focused on what's around you and more focused on what's like this small small little slip sliver so you see less and thus you have less information to execute your task at hand. 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:30.559 That's good. 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.839 When you're trying to go get something you're excited about it. 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:47.200 And so that enthusiasm that joy that love comes out now you're seeing things bigger now you're have a little bit more energy now you're willing to go and and push the boundaries versus hold back. 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:48.160 That's really good. 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:48.880 That's awesome. 00:25:49.039 --> 00:26:05.119 I love that yeah and it's so true that that fear of loss is like you know yeah you you do you become

really small even body language you know whereas if you're focused on what you need to do and the steps you need to take to win and the opportunity there that's that's a that's a game changer. 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:19.759 And that's what I would say to to the listeners today is you know if there's a way that you can take whatever you're dealing with and look at it as a potential opportunity versus a risk that can change your your whole thing. 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:50.559 So whatever you're doing today hey I got a big sales call awesome let's go that's phenomenal I have a great opportunity with this with this big account right versus hey don't screw this up and lose this potential account go the other way with it like awesome I get to go show off I get to be in front of this great what a great opportunity you go that way you're gonna feel a certain different way again we we talked about feelings aren't facts and we got to get away from feelings but what it's gonna do is it's gonna give you that that confidence to focus in on your process. 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:50.960 Yes. 00:26:51.119 --> 00:27:03.839 Yeah you know you know watching a lot of ESPN in my lifetime you know and and and you know ESPN you know pressers and pregame postgame et cetera you know you get a lot of cliches coach coach speak from players coaches alike. 00:27:04.000 --> 00:28:13.200 And and I think in the modern era you'll get you know you'll get athletes being more forthcoming or honest uh whether that's uh positive or negative I don't know or somewhere in the middle right a little thing called neutral but you know if you were an athlete and you're so let's say you're you're a you're a Yankee right and you know you're a starting pitcher and it's the week of the of this of said series and the media is like hey I'm Harry Wilson from the New York Post um Josh um you know obviously this is your um you know first postseason at the Major League baseball you know lights are brighter this is a championship winning organization like how are you preparing mentally josh for um for you know this this arena and how is it different than the regular season how would you respond to that well first of all Harry I would say congratulations on your new your new role um thank you I haven't seen you in the whole year so yeah congratulations on your new appointment to your post I'm I'm glad to hear great season by the way yeah you know thank you appreciate that um the the second thing I would say is listen listen I know playoff baseball is a little different I know my heart rate's going to be a little bit more up than it is during the regular season you know 60 feet six inches is a little bit different in the postseason than it is during the regular season. 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:32.720 But here's what I do know I know that I've been playing this game for 40 plus years and I know that I know how to throw a fastball that I know how to throw a curveball and I know how to throw a slider I'm gonna trust my preparation because the separation as the great Russell Wilson once said the separation isn't the preparation. 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.079 So I am prepared physically to go do this. 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:38.960 Mentally what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna sit back. 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:48.319 I'm gonna visualize I'm gonna see myself throwing those pitches I'm gonna see myself hitting my spots I'm gonna see myself fist pumping after I get that third strike. 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.400 You know that's what I'm gonna do mentally to prepare us I'm gonna see myself doing all that. 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:53.440 And guess what Harry? 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.160 I'm also gonna see myself with a guy on second base. 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:08.240 I'm also gonna see myself after I walk a guy I'm also gonna see myself responding to the adversity that is undoubtedly going to come my way because this is playoff baseball but I know I'm ready. 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.200 That's great. 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:10.079 I love it. 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:52.000 So when you see when you see yourself like that then Jack by the way that up dude we got it we got it we got your PR people are going to be proud they're gonna be they're gonna get an email after this and they're gonna send multiple was it too was it too coach speaky was that good though it was just coach speaky enough I mean like here's the thing is I feel like you know I I I always kind of turn my head a little bit when like media gets upset with an athlete for not being like really forthcoming but you know if you're the starting pitcher the the day one guy or if you're the starting quarterback for a a a franchise there are times whereas like you know the CEO of the program, you know, what what you say is can be weaponized against you and your team and organization. 00:29:52.160 --> 00:30:06.480 So there are times you have to be measured and more importantly for your own to kind of put the build walls around your own performance you know if nothing else you know if nothing else what you know you want to do is don't don't go negative right try to stay away from positive toxic positivity. 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:24.799 And so neutral is a great great place to land and a lot of times neutral kind of goes with a lot of cliches you know take one play at a time that's super cliche but what is that that's neutral right well it's interesting even even in in even in my fake uh pitcher's response there to the media you know I talked about I know there's going to be adversity. 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:25.599 That's not negative. 00:30:26.079 --> 00:31:30.000 I think people recognize okay oh adversity is negative no no you know what I'll tell you who doesn't think adversity is negative is the caterpillar that turns into a butterfly right they're in that cocoon they're fighting they're struggling if you go in and say adversity is bad let me open this cocoon for you that butterfly will never fly it won't have

enough strength to so adversity you know you know we hear it all the time like hey you know oh adversity versity how do we do how do we manage adversity accept it yeah accept it as a part of growth that's a great it's a great thing it's an opportunity it's an opportunity to get better yeah I love that I mean I I think you I think you're right I mean we've we've talked about in the past and how you you mentioned nature how nature shows us so many things on what like what life is about what uh in this case adversity is about and how how great things come out of adversity and so I love you sharing that um does it does it feel good when you're in it hell no no it sucks that's right like I'm not running to find adversity that's right like hey hey hey adversity you in here what's up no like you know but but then you don't whatever it's gonna show up. 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:30.880 That's that's right. 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:32.160 So how do you manage it? 00:31:32.319 --> 00:34:57.039 Is is um when you're when you're running through like you the example you gave there you're kind of like you you've you've mentioned it a couple times you drop a you drop a you know ground ball you know you you bomb a uh sales presentation or you know you're in front of your team and you just you you drop you drop the ball like how you have a contingency plan for that right and you and you and you know that those things can happen how do you manage like not continuously replaying that in your mind uh ahead of time but also preparing for it to have a contingency plan like how are those two things balanced yeah so it's interesting I worked one of the one of my many uh opportunities to work in sport was with an IndyCar racing team okay so these gentlemen and ladies they drive upwards of 240 miles an hour um to put that in perspective uh a plane takes off at like 150 miles an hour so just just just kind of putting it in perspective there they don't have time to think they really don't they're in reaction mode the entire the entire race and so it's it's funny because when I first got into it I asked a couple of drivers you know okay when do you when do you reset your mind like you know baseball swing goes okay let me reset let me get back in order like they don't have time they don't have time to reset they have to have their plan in order before they put on their helmet right so what we would do with them is we go through and go okay here's all the bad things that could happen this is this is what we know uh has happened in the past this is a typical your pit crew could mess up you could have a flat tire or you could get cut off in traffic this could happen that could happen right what are our responses to that let's practice those responses so when that negative thing happens we have a quick place to go and it's now that response has become a reaction yeah it's funny because we do this exercise all the time and you guys have seen it when we're with a group and we're like okay

what are the things that you totally can control we talk about dominating and controllables and invariably somebody will say I control my reactions and you go no you don't don't control your reactions you go to a doctor they hit you in the knee your leg goes up right that's a reaction I get cut off in traffic I start screaming at the person that's a reaction right but I can design my responses I can design those so after the initial explosion of emotion then I actually have a place that I can go to okay so if somebody's having something to deal with negative hopefully I have done the work to go okay mentally I've already prepared to deal with that oh I bombed the sales call or I'll give you a better one I walk in I'm gonna give a presentation the PowerPoint doesn't work the the A V doesn't work yeah okay so for us what we do is we're professionals we're gonna have every little dongle we're gonna have every cord and we're gonna have a different way to possibly project that okay maybe none of those work okay what's my next step what's my plan to go to if that technology doesn't work and so as a good professional you're gonna have three or four different ways to present the information without pictures and without PowerPoint example really good you know so that I think that that's that's you know but I've I've created my responses already that's right to something that could potentially that's not being negative either. 00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:57.599 That's right. 00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:20.880 That's being prepared yeah yeah and I I like that too I like that example because it's like you didn't replay it over and over again in your mind like what if the what if the A V core doesn't work what if the A V core what if the like you just said no this could happen and this mistake you know we might we might not be my computer might not work whatever it is here's what I'm gonna do if that happens and that's it you got the plan. 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:22.239 I love that that's great. 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:43.039 Well it's it's the check it's like the fighter pilots they have checklists right like they have checklists for everything if the wing goes off they have a checklist you know these are the three things I do if the wing falls off boom boom yeah right I mean it's it's if you're a quarterback you know you have you know you might on a different you might have you know two or three reads and then check down you know so you look right to your you know you might look to the right to your first read that's not there. 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.599 Okay I'm gonna look to look look him off go to my second that's not there got to go to my third and then shoot. 00:35:47.679 --> 00:36:08.880 Okay let me check down right and that's the computing power that some of the best quarterbacks in the world have is how fast they can they can go to plan A, plan B, plan C, and then like here's my you know here's my check down right and so like all of us in our everyday have probably a couple reads on a certain on on something you know the first one's plan A this one would do but if if they respond this way here's how I'm gonna you know here's how I'm gonna respond. 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:19.760 And then if it if that doesn't go right then I'm gonna I'm gonna check down to this right um and so just kind of having a plan for what are those what what are those check downs and what are those you know what's what's my first second read and so on and so forth. 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.280 And uh and slowing down the velocity of the would be adversity. 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:23.599 Right. 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:25.840 You know that's where I went when people say manage adversity. 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:26.400 I think you're right. 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.159 I think we overuse that word manage. 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.800 It's more about you know uh building kind of an agility plan around adversity. 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.440 Like how agile can I be when it adversity is coming and it's gonna be good for me over time. 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:50.639 You know, you know step by step it's actually going to help me grow but particularly if I learn how to be agile with it and and and nimble and be able to kind of you know be a key navigate yeah navigate through it. 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.400 Yeah that's that's exactly right. 00:36:52.559 --> 00:37:00.480 Hey hey Josh I want to I want to bring up something really quick though that just kind of popped into my mind we've been talking about adversity and and growth and it's good for you and stuff like that. 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:12.559 I want to caution ourselves on this and and I just want to pause like there's every every one of my emails has the following quote on the bottom of it things turn out best for those that make the best out of the way things turn out. 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:21.679 And so you've had adversity but you know what it's contingent contingent upon you to turn that adversity into opportunity into growth. 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:22.880 It doesn't just happen. 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:30.159 So I think I was a little bit I just want to be clear about that with our listeners that it's not like this mental magic oh adversity great things are going to be better. 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:36.159 Like no you still got to go that and I that that's probably why I was like no adversity can suck sometimes and it's really hard. 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:42.719 Yeah because you still got to do the work and maybe the work changes that you're doing or maybe the work that you got to do more work. 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:52.159 You have to put more effort in whatever it might be but ultimately it can be advantageous for you if you make it so that's right. 00:37:52.320 --> 00:38:26.400 But if you if you don't do the habits and you just go hey positive it's oh it's adversity hurrah yeah adversity's here like that's not that ain't that ain't it and that's that goes back to our

original question about optimism and and neutrality and neutrality is all about dealing with the facts the concrete and of here are the facts and then not putting judgment on them but using those facts to learn about what my next best steps are and and that's the whole key for performance that's the key because that's where that's where performance happens in the execution of behaviors and habits. 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.199 That's great. 00:38:28.159 --> 00:39:38.559 Why is um you know like with that you know with neutral you know what are the facts or what's true now right why why is that question so reliable such a reliable reset for for people because because the fact I mean listen the the facts are the facts uh you know we talk about this all the time when we do a presentation neutral hey what's the weather outside today oh it's gross it's muggy it's yeah it's it's it's uh yeah it's a bad it's ugly day okay that's a judgment right and how quickly we jump to that over and over and over again yeah but if I ask myself what the facts are the facts are it's 81 degrees the humidity is 95% the chance of precipitation is 83% and there's a northwest wind at two miles an hour right so that's that's what it is and so now if I go outside and I don't have an umbrella because I haven't used those facts to prepare appropriately then I'm gonna get wet walk into my car right if I do have an umbrella okay boom pop it up and I just walk to my car and then we go right but that's that's that you know what I'm saying so that's yeah you got a plan based off the facts. 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:39.519 What are the facts? 00:39:39.679 --> 00:40:26.079 What are they that's right yeah as as uh as we close here first of all man I'm I'm super excited about what's over your what the right shoulder there that win today book that's taken off the fake plant yeah the win today book man the six steps and and um tell tell me about you know as you went through that process of writing the book launching it you know it's in a lot of folks' hands now tell us what you're most proud about with that book and and also like what you're most excited about uh in terms of what's ahead with with win today yeah so uh it's it's awesome I think our goal and our mission at Limitless Minds has always been to impact others and to positively lift them up and to positively you know change their lives really I mean that's that's what it is. 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:30.320 I mean when I joined the Cubs our our goal internally was to change the world. 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:48.960 We didn't tell anybody that one that one didn't come out until afterwards but it was to change the world and I think person by person, um client by client company by company the more people that have read this book and I've gotten a lot of feedback about oh I've really applied that it's starting to change how I'm viewing this or it's starting to change how I execute at this point. 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:49.760 It's been awesome. 00:40:49.840 --> 00:41:25.440 I I just got a text the the other day from a friend of mine who um is is big in the in the Jesuit church uh up in the Maryland area okay and and he talked about how he was leading a men's group and they were discussing different things in the Bible and he brought up mile zero which is one of our concepts about resetting every day about flushing the bad to move on to the good and so it was really it was really impactful that he was using stuff there to influence others in his parish and and in the in in the church and I was just like oh man that's unbelievable. 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:31.519 And I've gotten multiple messages like that from various people there's people out there who are buying the book and are so impactful for it. 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.599 They buy 10 of them and they just start handing them out to people. 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:45.840 So hey read this is going to change your life so that's been the some of the coolest stuff that I've gotten um and then yeah yeah just to see the reaction of the people that that are able to read it and and connect with it it's it's been great. 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:47.119 That's that's it's so cool. 00:41:47.199 --> 00:42:00.320 I've had two interactions this week alone where somebody read your book one in Chicago one in Dallas and and now they have they've given it to their teams you know I'm I'm positive their teams will read it give it to you know folks in their network. 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:01.360 So that's just how it works. 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.800 It's like one person at a time. 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:30.639 Yeah but uh it was it was interesting you know you know what's funny it's awesome too because like I was talking to our publisher just inside inside scoop here I was talking to the publisher and you know they're they're they're decently happy with with how it's gone they it's a little quote unquote slow for a launch but then he goes on to say but you know what John Gordon who sold a million books of the the the the the bus energy bus energy bus yeah energy bus sold a million of those he's at his first two years are really really kind of slowish. 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.039 Yeah and then all of a sudden it just catches fire. 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:54.159 So yeah that's right I think that that's the whole thing is is we're in the long game here with with the book and I think people who are trying to get a bestseller right on the New York Times that you know hey fine right great have that but we're here to make an impact and and you know we're gonna I'm gonna be selling this thing for a long time and getting this people into it's a great book man it's a very well written book so yeah really good job with that it's awesome. 00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:20.880 Shout out to Dave La Pasca uh season two of the amazing race uh who uh he was on season two of the amazing is that right he was my co-writer so shout out to David yeah he was he was that's how he does came in fifth so we'll see if he beats Joe we'll see yeah we got we do got a we do have up to the listeners we do have a a coach that's one a part of our limitless minds ecosystem that's on the amazing race right now yeah join a loan and um she's check her out how she does she came in first place in the second leg. 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:47.039 So I'm just like you know and talking with her recently she seems pretty happy so I think she did pretty well man yeah if I won the amazing race there'd be signs there'd be signs even though I couldn't say anything the NDAs and all the different uh there would be signs that I would let them know let the people let I was in New Mexico for uh the holidays last year my my family and I went skiing in New Mexico and we were walking around Santa Fe and there's all these like giant statues of like bears and Native Americans with arrow you know like shooting the bear and stuff like that. 00:43:47.440 --> 00:44:36.639 A hundred percent would be in my front yard again giant guy on a horse cowboy like what why do you have a cowboy don't do it yeah well listen um this was another you know another good episode and then I think Josh thanks for takes her taking the guest chair today and you know taking us through college bro you know what it takes to be great uh both on the you know on the field and that that arena but also as a corporate athlete so um you know we'll we'll uh looking forward to more conversations like this we could probably do a part two part three part four series on why not you know neutral thinking you're gonna have Travis uh on the next one right for for for being about neutral so and then we're gonna have the amazing David Gorsuch coming up here too amazing David Gorsuch come on that's right David Gorge is like Carmen San Diego so like where is he at? 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.599 Where is he at? 00:44:38.639 --> 00:45:17.760 In the world is David Gorsuch we got him we got him locked down we got him locked down next what I think Monday right is that is it is that you and I Josh I think I believe so and it's gonna be I mean he'll be in the computer somewhere somewhere somewhere in the world yeah we need an Apple tag for David our producers just said yeah I do not disagree I do not disagree 100% I do know that wherever he is he's stealing somebody else's food off of their restaurant plate yes I do know there's a shared plate somewhere in their somewhere right now yeah well listen this is another episode of Limitless Minds podcast and remember you don't have to be sick to get better let's go let's go let's go