התמלול המלא של Pt 2 DEBATE! Muslim MELTDOWNS & CRASHOUTS, Apparitions & Geopolitics, EVANGELICAL CULTS & More

of came across, 39 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:51.200 and you. 40 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.120 Know, just all like like Saint cyr Ol Jerusalem the 41 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:57.480 catechetical Lecture says hate all the heretics. He says they're idiots, 42 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.920 they're demonic, they're possessed their dogs. You know. Jerome says 43 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:03.040 even ten times worse though. 44 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:06.000 Yeah, and so you know, I kind of just wanted 45 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.520 to start by apologizing to you, just because I'm recently 46 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.159 being received into the church and coming from that and 47 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:13.960 kind of saying that to people when I came. 48 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:15.639 Into Well, whatever, I appreciate you. You're the first person 49 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.120 I think that's ever apologized for saying that I was mean, 50 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:21.560 And then I've never heard anybody has ever done that, 51 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:22.479 So that's funny. 52 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.719 Well, I said it a lot behind your back, and 53 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:28.280 like coming into Orthodoxy, I really feel bad about that 54 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:29.800 because I would say it to other people as I 55 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.199 was coming into the church of you. But I was also, 56 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.319 to be fair to I was introduced to you by 57 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.439 a bunch of like genuine Ortho bros. Not like the 58 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:39.360 term that gets thrown around for us. But these guys 59 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.199 are two guys who had actually never even entered into 60 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.120 an Orthodox church, but they were arguing with me about 61 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.680 Orthodoxy and they hadn't read any of the books that 62 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:49.639 you read. They were just using a bunch of your 63 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.159 talking points without being able to actually dive into it. 64 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:57.919 So some of what I was projecting on you was then. 65 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:02.240 If that makes sense, Yeah, so I appreciate that. 66 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:03.520 Yeah, no problem. 67 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.639 I mean, I've always seen my vantage point as coming 68 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:11.759 out of philosophy. In the rama, philosophy we debate all 69 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:13.919 the time, you know, even even in the two thousands, 70 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.400 it was pretty normal in the college setting. It's probably 71 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:18.199 not that way anymore because of all the woke stuff, 72 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.840 but it was pretty normal to even have debates with professors. 73 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.400 They were supportive of that. It was a much more 74 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.120 kind of freer you know, speak your mind, have your 75 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:32.319 ideas challenged, ethos, and that was the two thousands. I 76 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:35.080 think a lot of the gen Z are more coddled 77 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.680 and they don't like having their positions challenged, and they 78 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.680 think that, you know, their feelings getting hurt is in 79 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:47.560 some way like signifying the you know, I don't know, 80 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:52.080 like like if you you don't represent Jesus because you 81 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.639 challenge my worldview and it makes my fief it's just 82 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.080 weird to me. I don't know, like all of that 83 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:58.080 is hard to me. 84 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.080 That it was I'm sorry, father speaking, but it was 85 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:07.919 my worldview being challenged and not having epistemic justification or 86 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:11.560 any justification. Rather for my worldview is just knowing it 87 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.000 and feeling it. And even like the arguments with tag 88 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.399 not really making sense to certain people, and it's because 89 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.399 they've never had to justify anything before. From that kind 90 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:22.879 of point of view, They've just been able to state 91 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.560 their arguments and never actually have to justify why their 92 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:27.680 arguments are what they are. 93 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.839 Also, and I'm not. 94 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:34.600 Saying this is you, but you did hit on a 95 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:42.319 few points. People react differently when they're challenged and unable 96 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.480 to justify. So one thing I'm not saying this is you, 97 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.199 but there's other groups out there that because they don't 98 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:54.399 know the material, they're insecure about their level of knowledge 99 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.279 of what they believe. Their beliefs are being challenged. The 100 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.519 easy way for a lot of people is to do 101 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:06.240 the kind of fake moral piety. And well, I can't engage, 102 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.680 you know, on philosophic and debate terms, so but what 103 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.480 I can do is say that you're not a good Christian. 104 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.600 Yeah, and we should be praying. So there's a lot 105 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:16.439 of that going on. 106 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:18.959 Yeah, And I mean, you know, to be fair, like 107 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:21.279 that was me at one point in time. You know, 108 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:25.360 it's been I was catechized for two years because my 109 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.759 wife decided to come in halfway through when I was 110 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.519 already in the process of

getting ready to enter baptism, 111 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.360 and my wife came with me, so we went I 112 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.519 went through the Kadakisus with her as well. So through 113 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.240 all of that I grew a lot, and you know, 114 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.160 I had a really good catechisas so he was somebody 115 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.759 who went to seminary himself and very similar to Jay 116 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.600 in the philosophical realm and everything, and so like, as 117 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:53.079 I learned through somebody like that, I just realized how 118 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.839 fake my piety was and how little grounding I had 119 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:57.079 to stand on on a lot of things. 120 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.040 But I want to make a public confession. When I 121 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.240 first sound j J, I didn't like you either. 122 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.079 Well, I mean, I exposed you were all faking gay, 123 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:05.959 and so I understand that. 124 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.480 But you know what's interesting, it's because exactly he said, 125 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.519 Jay was saying stuff that I actually didn't agree with. 126 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.160 They turned out to be right about and my worldview 127 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.879 because I was a you know, when I first came in, 128 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.560 I had, you know, some weird tomistic ideas and believed 129 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:26.560 in theistic evolution. 130 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:28.720 I'm like, well, who's this guy saying I'm wrong? 131 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.720 And so that is why I didn't like him, because 132 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.519 he actually was right and he was calling me out 133 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:37.560 on uh, you. 134 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.560 Know the well personally I didn't know you. 135 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:41.920 He was calling out the views and I took it. 136 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.920 I'm like, well, who's this guy? And then do you 137 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:47.120 mind if I asked a question? 138 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:48.240 Sure? 139 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:51.160 So the Council of. 140 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.800 Jerusalem, the sixteen seventy two one is that a that's 141 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:57.360 a binding council for Orthodoxy? 142 00:06:57.399 --> 00:06:57.959 Is that correct? 143 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.480 Yeah, I would say it's normative. I mean, even if 144 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.920 it's even if we you know, squabble over whether it's quote, 145 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.040 you know, infallible or something like that, Like, it's pretty 146 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:10.600 much been received in the in the Orthodox world, So 147 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.040 I would say it's at least normative. 148 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:17.759 On decrease six or like sometimes when you see the 149 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:21.399 church father speaking of us being guilty of original sin? 150 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:25.680 Are they just meaning that we're taking on the effects 151 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.399 of it? Is that what they mean by saying guilty 152 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:28.720 of it? 153 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.680 Yeah? Sometimes guilt is used even by Paul to speak 154 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:36.600 of the entirety of the effects of it. But that 155 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:41.360 doesn't translate into individual personal guilt, which has always been 156 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.199 rejected in the East on the part of you know, 157 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.560 not accepting the august Anian perspective. 158 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:54.360 Sorry, so saying that humanity is guilty and therefore even 159 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.399 that's why we baptize infants and stuff like that, some 160 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.399 of that is using like decrease sixteen, not exactly that language, 161 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.839 but by saying that by the guilt that we take on, 162 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.399 it's not a personal guilt for the sin, but it's 163 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:06.399 yet the effects. 164 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:10.639 Right. This is why nobody believes that position anymore, not 165 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.439 even the Roman Catholic Church. The only people that believe 166 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:17.240 that are Lutherans and Calvinists. There's literally nobody else that believes. 167 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:22.879 And think about if they were damned through a personal guilt, 168 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.759 why would the worthodox church wait forty days to baptize? 169 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.639 Yeah, now that's point. 170 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:32.120 Yeah, you should also look up the liturgical prayers. This 171 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:34.480 is another good argument against this kind of low not 172 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:36.720 saying you're low tier, but the people that make this 173 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.879 position this argument are pretty usually pretty low tier. Like 174 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:45.399 when you look up the prayers for certain liturgical days, 175 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:46.879 I can look in the we have this in the 176 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.240 discord kind of saved, but there's various prayers that are 177 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.399 pretty clearly pointing out that that infants are not guilty 178 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.600 for what Adam did even though they receive the effects 179 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.279 of the sin. There's at least two liturgical prayers that 180 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.559 reference this. But even aside from that, once you get 181 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:08.840 into the anthropology that Saint Maximus lays down in terms 182 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:11.759 of the mode of willing and our own guilt being 183 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.679 something that we

accrue through our personal actions, not from 184 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.320 our nature. The mistake that these people are making is 185 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.519 actually to collapse nature in person in anthropology. So they're 186 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.519 making kind of an inverse mistake like Roman Catholics and 187 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.360 you absolute divine simplicity proponents to make when they collapse 188 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.279 person into nature in the Godhead. They're doing the same 189 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:36.200 thing with collapsing person into nature and anthropology and thinking 190 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.960 that it's our nature that becomes guilty and not our 191 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:43.360 personal willing in action. So when you get up into 192 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.200 the six Econmenical Council and the theology of Saint Maximus, 193 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.320 his anthropology is really helpful in laying this out and 194 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:53.559 making sense of why we would only be guilty for 195 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:57.320 the actions that we will and not for our nature. 196 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.240 And this is why when you understand that all if 197 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:04.320 human nature is resurrected in terms of recapitulation on the 198 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:07.360 basis of Christ's action, the only way to be resurrected 199 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:10.799 is what Christ did. That means all men are resurrected 200 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.320 via their nature being resurrected, because Christ assumes universal human nature. 201 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:17.840 And if they were consistent with that, if they thought 202 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.919 that you were guilty by nature in Adam, then you 203 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.159 would then be led to the conclusion of universal salvation 204 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.519 because our whole nature is restored. But then they would 205 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:29.159 have to you know, then basically they would be in 206 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.600 the David Bentley Hert position. That's the line of reasoning 207 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.039 that he uses to get to this sort of universal's position. 208 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.799 But that's why Saint Maximus's theology is so crucial at 209 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:42.080 the Sixth Council is that what you accrue in terms 210 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.720 of virtues and vice can only be via your own 211 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.960 personal mode of willing. Even though will is a property 212 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.200 of nature, the mode of willing is personal, and that's 213 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.120 why you can only recapitulate the virtues by your own 214 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:00.200 willing and participation in grace. So that's why even though 215 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.120 we might not say that an infant is damned if 216 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.519 they die

outside of baptism, we also don't necessarily say 217 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.480 that they are participating in theiosis. And that's why many 218 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:12.679 of the Eastern fathers speculate that God may do something 219 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.480 with him that we just don't understand. And even though 220 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.320 they're not participating in theosis, we don't know what that 221 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.399 might mean. So there might be I think Nissa says 222 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:25.399 something like there might be a natural state that they're 223 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:29.399 restored to, even if they're not participating in theosis like 224 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.639 the members of the church. But regardless, there's no real 225 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.759 consistent way to actually make sense of the damning of 226 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:43.639 infants other than to collapse the willing into the nature 227 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.080 and the guilt into the nature. But the problems that 228 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.279 emerge from saying that you're guilty by nature are so 229 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:53.639 much more immense than the difficulties of not knowing what 230 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:58.080 happens with an unbaptized infant. Even though the liturgical prayers 231 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.080 of the Church themselves also don't speak as if they're 232 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:02.679 damn They just speak as if we commend them to 233 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:04.879 God and we don't know what their fate is, but 234 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.120 we trust in God's mercy. Like if you adopt the 235 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.759 position that we're guilty by nature. They don't even understand 236 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.720 how difficult that is in terms of eschatology, in terms 237 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:18.879 of human anthropology, that it basically just destroys the whole 238 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:23.039 Orthodox ethos, But they're too stupid to know that. Chase, 239 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:23.519 what's up? 240 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:30.320 Hey? 241 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:30.639 Are you so? 242 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:31.759 Am I interrupting? 243 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.879 I mean so pretty much anytime you talk it's for 244 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.240 me an interruption, But go ahead, Well, I was. 245 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.480 You were in the middle of talking about mode of 246 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:42.480 will and then I got added to it. But it's fine. 247 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.879 You're not gonna understand this anyway. Probably want to call, well, 248 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:50.799 I a prior caller apologize for things that like they 249 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:51.720 had said about you. 250 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.039 So I wanted to call it and can. 251 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:55.279 I just apologize real quick? 252 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:01.440 I guess thank you sologize for calling you a snaggle 253 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:08.399 toothed woodland swamp creature. I'm sorry for bought reporting all 254 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:13.399 your videos and posts on Twitter. I apologize for posting 255 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.480 your address on four Chan for a meet up. 256 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.240 But I'm not done. 257 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.679 Okay, please please go on. 258 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:27.840 Yeah, I'll purchase don't forget that pro the jay dire 259 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:29.559 profile you put on Grinder. 260 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.279 Yeah, the j dire profile that mean father and an 261 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:33.600 I is made and put on Grinder. 262 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.240 Interesting that you guys are both together. That's interesting. You 263 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.919 guys are both together on Grinder. That's an interesting admission. 264 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:41.840 Well, look, I just I don't wanted to say. You 265 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.600 guys are like making this a joke and it's I 266 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.600 had this. It's my heart's convicted. So I apologize for 267 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:49.399 for doing all those things within the last three days. 268 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:51.639 Well, I guess I need to apologize for doing the 269 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.440 sorceress kg B. Dougan rituals that I did to flood 270 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.200 your basement because I think it worked. 271 00:13:58.279 --> 00:13:58.919 Yeah I did. 272 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:02.039 I'm fair carpet right now, and it's it weighs so 273 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:03.320 much because it's so soaked. 274 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:05.000 But you shouldn't remember. 275 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:05.919 Do you remember? 276 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.559 We were we were getting lunch in like I think 277 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:10.320 it was Montana, and we were walking out and there's 278 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:11.399 some purple hail card. 279 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.679 Wait you go, I'm going to debate you into marrying her. 280 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:20.720 Apparently who you married? Is that who you married? I 281 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.320 don't even know, no, But I. 282 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.200 Just wanted to apologize for all those things that me 283 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:26.799 and father. 284 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:27.120 And I did. 285 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:29.360 Yes, that's okay, man, I forget I mentioned, and I 286 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:33.320 apologize for sending the spirits to flood your basement and 287 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.639 together we met. I'm gonna go ahead and burn that 288 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.320 voodoo doll. I'm gonna email Dugan right now to tell 289 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.559 them to stop doing the ritual because it's actually flooding 290 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:48.279 the basement. But bodies, by, what's up? Bodies? Something booties, 291

00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.320 what's up? Bodies? Buddy's offa what's up? Man? I'm mute. 292 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.639 I don't understand the people that wait in line and 293 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.879 then never unmute. That's it's a weird one to me, Like, what, 294 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.399 what's the Maybe there's bots or something and I don't 295 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:08.240 get it. Thunder punch, what's up, dude, We've got a 296 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:15.279 Pokemon in here. I'm having fun over here today. What's up? 297 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:17.279 Hey, Jay? 298 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:19.840 Thanks for having me on one little again. 299 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:21.799 I have a. 300 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:26.320 Question if Father and Anius wants to weigh on this, 301 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.840 that'd be cool too. I was a guy that called 302 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.200 in a little bit ago said that I had visited 303 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.799 my first liturgy yesterday and the church father said something 304 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:40.919 a little peculiar to me. 305 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.600 Again, this was like a Greek Orthodox thing. 306 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.639 I'm Protestant background, so I'm not super sure on this, 307 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:49.440 but he. 308 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:54.960 Said something about how catechhumans were welcome to partake in 309 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.039 the Eucharist. It just sounded a little weird to me 310 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.559 the way he worded it that he he made it 311 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:02.519 sound like, well, this is something we used to do 312 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:07.080 and we don't do it anymore, and uh, just. 313 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.879 Some part or to depart. Did you hear the part 314 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:14.000 of the ligia where the catcumans depart? 315 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:14.919 Well? 316 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.559 He said that, yeah, is as far as I'm aware, 317 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:19.240 is that it. 318 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:23.600 Used to be the Catecumans would depart from the liturgy 319 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.799 or maybe you know, not take the Eucharist. 320 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:30.759 No, there was that impression I got they would leave 321 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:36.360 the liturgy so category entirely. Okay, Yeah, Catecumans never. 322 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:43.080 Took the Eucharist that section where say all catechums apart, 323 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:45.240 catacumbs depart that no catecumun remain. 324 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.000 Let us faithful again and again in peace, pray to 325 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:50.200 the Lord. That's the point of the. 326 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:56.919 Liturgy, because the Euchrist is being introduced that section of 327 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:57.799 the liturgy. 328 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.559 The catacumbs actually departed from the building and weren't allowed. 329 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:06.720 Yeah, it sounds a little that sounds a little far 330 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:09.160 gone that. I don't think. I think Greeks would go 331 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.319 that far. What's up man, Will Will Wild Will? 332 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.599 Yeah, I just had a question. 333 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:19.880 Do you think like the Midi from which trials were 334 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:24.359 like satanic panic back then, like like we had in 335 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:29.319 the eighties. And also have you heard how Jeffrey Dahmer 336 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.680 like may have not they may not have told us 337 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:37.160 everything about him correctly, and like he had connections to. 338 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.720 The president, the vice president took his class there. 339 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:46.880 Yeah, I've done whole podcast I've done whole podcasts yes, 340 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.240 I've done whole podcasts on that. I forgot what the 341 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:57.559 first question was, technician, what's up? 342 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:06.000 Hello? 343 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:07.359 Yeah, what's up? Dog? 344 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:09.559 Hey man? 345 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:13.799 I wanted to see what the Orthodox thought about dinosaurs, dude. 346 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.160 Like, can you have them? Can you own them? Can 347 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.359 you eat them? Answer is yes, all the above, Thomas, 348 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:29.880 what's up? Dog? Here are the here's the damer podcast 349 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.759 right here. There's a few more. I here's one on 350 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:39.079 Henry Lee Lucas on a Sam podcast. Here's what we 351 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.559 did with Richard. I know I did at least four 352 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.119 or five of these. I don't know it's it only 353 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.319 always only shows like one or two though it's really annoying. 354 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.000 But I've done several. I did like five, I think 355 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.519 on on Serial Coach. What's up, Thomas, I'm mute, hey j. 356 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:00.880 I posted that super chat earlier about Romans. So just 357 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:04.200 to give you some background, I'm currently a Roman Catholic, 358 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:09.240 technically an ordinary Catholic, and I have a friend who's Orthodox. 359 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:10.799 I've been listening to a lot of your stuff. I 360 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.960 listened to you and Father Ananias about coherentism and kind 361 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.359 of attacking classical foundationalism, and I found a lot of 362 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.480 it very insightful and kind of convincing. 363 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.119 So I know you said you're not. 364 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:26.599 Gay, but I was wondering if you could hold my 365 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.759 hand and

kind of walk me through parts of Romans here, 366 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:33.039 just to kind of explain, because I know you guys 367 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:34.960 have the principle of the noose and that's kind of 368 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.880 novel to me, and I'm trying to just get through 369 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:39.160 the whole epistemology. 370 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:43.440 Yeah. Well, I mean again, like you know, in Romans one, 371 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:47.559 Paul several times mentions that it's men's hearts that are darkened, 372 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:53.200 like in verse twenty one, So he doesn't primarily locate 373 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.119 the issue in the intellect. And if you understand Roman 374 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:02.519 Catholics tomistic anthropology, man's a dual of body and soul 375 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:06.880 slash intellect. So why is Paul using this word heart, 376 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.599 which is from the Hebrew idea like David talks about 377 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.640 in the Psalms about his heart. It's just an assumption 378 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.799 that that means the intellect. Why well, because after Augustine 379 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.839 in the West, the whole anthropology of the West adopted 380 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:26.119 wholesale pretty much the idea of a body soul duality approach. 381 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.839 But Paul, have you ever noticed in you know the 382 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:33.160 Tessalonian's pulse's body, soul and spirit. Why does Paul use 383 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.359 a trichotomy approach when all the West after Augustine adopts 384 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:37.400 a dichotomy approach. 385 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:40.759 Yeah, that makes sense. 386 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.720 And so when he says here his eternal power Deity 387 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:49.680 has been clearly perceived in the things that happened? Made? 388 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:52.400 Is that perception through the heart? And like, what's the 389 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.359 that's the sort of mechanism by which the gentile's hearts 390 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.000 are clearly perceiving God? 391 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.000 How would you explay that every man has within his heart, 392 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.000 within his news, within his innermost being and inner testimony 393 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.079 to the one true God existing, and that is why 394 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:13.960 he is without excuse. So notice his passage is not 395 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:22.039 about intellectual syllogisms and causal chains. It's about moral guilt. 396 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.480 So tumism flips this into some intellectual problem when Paul's 397 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:31.640 whole point is that idolatry is a universal moral problem, 398 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:36.519 not a universal intellectual problem. In other words, the Roman Calgary, Oh, 399 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:39.400 they're

just not reasoning properly. Right. If they were, if 400 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:41.759 Pagans were more like Aristotle, than they would sit around 401 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.920 and they would reason better and come to the right 402 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.960 conclusion that there's a single first cause. Paul doesn't say 403 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:50.440 anything about that. He says that they did not retain 404 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:54.279 the True God in their minds and God gave them 405 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:59.119 over to wickedness. So it's issues of moral corruption and 406 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.920 it's nothing to do with intellect other than that the 407 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:06.160 moral corruption darkens the intellect as an effect. So Roman 408 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.720 Catholics flip the anthropology of this whole chapter and actually 409 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:14.079 make it an intellectual reasoning problem, not a moral problem 410 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.960 of the heart. So in the romancality perspective, the problem 411 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:20.759 here is just that they need to like fix their algorithmic, 412 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.279 you know, causal chain reasoning, and then they would come 413 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:26.160 to the One True God as the cause. When Paul 414 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.119 is saying, no, they need to repent. It's a repentance issue, 415 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.160 not an intellectual IQ issue. 416 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:35.599 Okay, that makes a lot of sense. 417 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:38.599 And So if I'm going down the kind of epistemology, 418 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:42.440 because I'm like super under red on philosophy and everything, 419 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:46.160 what readings would you recommend to help clear that up 420 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.240 for me because I find it very convincing. 421 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:49.880 Well, I would say the first place to start if 422 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.119 you wanted a direct contrast between the Orthodox position on 423 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.599 Romans one, and what we're talking about in the Tomistic 424 00:22:55.640 --> 00:23:00.400 position would be Orthodox dogmatic theology by father steinilloy v I. 425 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.960 That whole book is about what I just said, and 426 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.000 it also gets into like critiquing the Latin Tomistic doctrine 427 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.160 of the Trinity and all the problems in the Trinity 428 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.480 view there. But I think you know, you could look 429 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.000 at I have a whole philosophy course that I did 430 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.240 some with a deacon. You could look at that. You 431 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.359 could look at W. J. Woods book on epistemology, which 432 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:26.799 is more of a Christian approach to pistemology. But that's 433 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.480

actually good for Roman Catholics as well, because a big 434 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:35.079 part of the thesis of Woods book is that your 435 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.200 morals affect your reasoning, and so there's no such thing 436 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:42.880 as like divorcing how you reason from the virtues. And 437 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.000 that's kind of the point of Romans won right. It's 438 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:47.920 like the Thomas are missing that the darkening of the 439 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:53.039 reasoning isn't primarily an intellectual problem. It's a moral heart problem. 440 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.599 And I would go so far as to say that 441 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.599 probably the whole totality of the Roman Calolic worldview and 442 00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:02.839 system is face and is full of so many idolatrous, 443 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.400 weird creeps, and as we saw this very weak grinder gaze, 444 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.400 precisely because they don't have the solutions, they don't have 445 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:16.000 the actual things that help and heal. They think that 446 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:18.920 the papacy is the thing that will solve and help 447 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.599 and heal all these problems. And you'll notice right here 448 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:30.759 this guy who's I opened up Grinder at the local 449 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.279 SSPX chapel and I saw three guys from the church 450 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:35.920 were there. One of them was an ultra server. We 451 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.680 are not returning to tradition dog. Now people say, oh, 452 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:41.200 he's lying, Well, he actually got that s guy says 453 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.359 in his profile at least he had it up yesterday, 454 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.400 that he suffers from same sexual attraction. So here's a 455 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.480 Roman Catholic tradcat guy at the SSPX chapel admitting that 456 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:54.119 he's a real person who is saying he suffers from 457 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:59.279 same sex attraction and he's finding the same people on 458 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.640 Grinder his SSPX chapel. I don't find this hard to 459 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.759 believe at all, because when I was a trad cat 460 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:10.359 back in the two thousands, late twenty's, early twenty tens, uh, 461 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:13.000 there were multiple people at the SSPX Chapel that eventually 462 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:16.119 came out as gay. So it doesn't surprise me at all. 463 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:19.480 I mean, trycats are just again super gay, So not 464 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.440 every single one of them, but it's very very well known, 465 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.400 it's very prominent amongst them. So again, what is Paul 466 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.680 saying romans want? Isn't the irony here that Romans one 467 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:32.440 talks about all this gayness in Roums one and then 468 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.519 the Traycats are full of gayness and they're missing the 469 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.759 point of RUMs one. But he's zapha. 470 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.079 Great song, great song? 471 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:47.559 What so. 472 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:53.400 zapA that you don't know? 473 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.160 No, I don't place Steely Dam. 474 00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.839 That's Boomer rug, dude, I don't only boomer rock on 475 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:01.000 the Michael McDonald. 476 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.720 It's a great song. Oh and they make up. I 477 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.200 found they make a beer too. 478 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.759 Steely Dan beer. I know I'm joking. What's up man? 479 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:19.359 That guy just can't get on here. Anyone disagree? You 480 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:21.480 got ahead of line? Please write your hand if you disagree. 481 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.960 John Adams, what's up man? I know you don't disagree, 482 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.079 or maybe you do, maybe you want to have a fighter. 483 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:33.799 There we go, buddy, Buddy saw the is the Steely 484 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:34.440 Dan song. 485 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:36.240 And Michael McDonald did not. 486 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:41.160 Sting on that many Steely Dan songs. Interesting, How does 487 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:42.359 Jaye not know that? 488 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.599 I know who Steely Dan is because my dad listened 489 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:47.599 to Steely Dan. I just never got into them. 490 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.119 That's actually a funny song because it's like a rock 491 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:57.839 and roll throwback song, but about Buddhism. That I think 492 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.559 that was the point of it was to be kind 493 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:05.799 of a boogie woogie rock and roll song about Buddhism 494 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:11.319 earlier Judeo Christian. Uh, there's there's a good there's an 495 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:16.400 interesting book with a particular take on it. It's called Americanism, 496 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:23.599 the Fourth Great Western Religion, and so what it makes it's. 497 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.279 A very small book, very thin book. 498 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.000 It's probably like you know, two bucks online or something, 499 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:33.920 but it's written by a Jewish guy, and basically what 500 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:39.680 he says in there is that Americanism is a development 501 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:45.319 out of It's like a secular version of Zionism and 502 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:52.160 Christianity mixed into a Judeo Christian religion called Americanism. 503 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.319 Because after you. 504 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.839 Know, actually, actually if you read the GM Davis book 505 00:27:57.880 -->

00:28:02.200 that Father Hears printed about Antichrist, he has the exact 506 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.359 same analysis. 507 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.079 Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with that one. 508 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:06.319 Too. 509 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:12.079 The Yeah, but basically after Woodrow Wilson introduces the idea 510 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:13.839 of Americanism. 511 00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:14.880 Uh huh. 512 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.279 This is it's basically the combination of Judeo and Christian 513 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:25.079 secular morals that makes up Americanism as a secular religion 514 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.400 to be you know, distributed to the rest of the world. 515 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.720 Right, And so that's really so. 516 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:35.720 After Wilson is kind of the personification of combining Judeo 517 00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:40.559 Christian and it's got like Puritanical ties to the you know, 518 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.000 because it's it's all tied into the Puritans coming here 519 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.519 thinking they were the children of Israel. 520 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.200 That's exactly what Davis says in that chapter as well. 521 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.519 Yeah, I just wanted. 522 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.119 To add that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you, John. 523 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.039 We had a couple of super jazz I want to 524 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.640 read here before I forget them. Jacob Kabe five dollars. 525 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:00.720 None of my friends think that Sam might is appealing 526 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.680 enough to drive to New Orleans for skank Fest. I 527 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.920 don't get people's sense of humor. It's during normy. Well, 528 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.480 you know, Sam is a is a unique acquired taste. 529 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.559 I know, the first time I saw M. D. Skits, 530 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.839 I didn't really get it, and It was the same 531 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.400 with Tim and Erica. The first time I saw Tim 532 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.279 and Erica, I was like, I don't understand what and 533 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.359 then I, oh, I see what they're doing right, And 534 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.640 it was the same with MD. But I will say 535 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:27.079 that like Sam's stand up is a lot more kind 536 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.240 of normy friendly. It's a lot more of a I mean, 537 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:34.279 it's it's unique, but it's a lot more it's a 538 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.119 lot less abstract than the rest of this sort of 539 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.079 MD stuff. So if you, if you are a fan 540 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.640 of stand up, I think you would definitely find his 541 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.759 stand up appealing. I don't know if he's doing stand 542 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.039 up at skank Fest or if it's just panels or what.

543 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:52.000 I'm not really familiar with how that works. But sneggelbast 544 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.720 I became member for six months. As recent as last year, 545 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.440 I saw people wearing a mask, even if they're alone 546 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.480 in their car with the windows up. I have to 547 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.559 shake my head. I still see mask. I still see 548 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:07.119 a lot of gen X and boomers and black No. 549 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:08.880 I got to tell you about if you haven't figured 550 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.240 this out, this is crazy. So my brother was on 551 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:19.119 a he's on a discord sound engineer thing, and so anyways, Uh, 552 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.559 they're talking about AI and music, whether. 553 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.039 That you're about and stuff like this. 554 00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.200 And this person comes in and says, well AI is racist, 555 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.559 who can't use it? And the guy who owns the 556 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.200 thing says, look, we're not getting into politics. Blah blah blah. 557 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:36.079 Person eventually had to get booted. 558 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:39.680 So my brother looks them up on Instagram and then 559 00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:43.720 they have all these mess on all their you know, pictures, 560 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:45.839 and then he starts doing a deep dive and finding 561 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.240 other people, and then he finds. 562 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.359 Out there's a whole group. 563 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:56.680 It's usually a tide with like uh, the protesters, but 564 00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:58.240 particularly the gays. 565 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:03.480 As person was part of an LGBTQ. 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00:33:53.880 they give you kind of some useless information that American 614 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.359 isn't the fourth Great Western lays out there over twelve weeks, 615 00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:59.200 dozens and dozens of hours. 616 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.279 Notatresentation of this, we got invaded with research that takes 617 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.680 to have a co India, and it was just the 618 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.960 origins of philosophys and interesting day the different ways to 619 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:12.119 look at it over time. 620 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.199 I don't mind all that has been brought about to 621 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:15.480 what we have. 622 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.199 And I'm so not racist that Indian After churchilosophy on 623 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.639 the objective problem, logic and reason side in and over, 624 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:26.760 I go get philosophy that is irrational as we eat 625 00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.360 day by day, I think we should bring racism. 626 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.639 Back and then whatever worthified and spread out, probably a 627 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.000 lot of under arm, but that's okay. 628 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.400 It takes socialist ideas where you become the property in action. 629 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.440 You need to be able to stand in your own ground. 630 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.639 It helps to have a foundation in philosophy because it's 631 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.719 a method of fine truth when you get down to. 632 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:53.400 It, all right, not deems sure we are back? We 633 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:59.719 are back? Why would I eat at Indian retaurant? Are 634 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.199 ten dollars? And says wait where to go? I'm done 635 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:12.639 with penal substitutionary atonement, but don't oh don oc ten dollars. 636 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:14.599 Good evening, Jay I've been watching for a while. Do 637 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.960 you have any recommendations on books and texts about modern 638 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:27.320 day Judaism and its later developments. I mean, well, there's 639 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:29.840 the Jesus and the Talmud book that came out from 640 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.880 one of the universities. I forget which one. I read 641 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:39.559 the couple chapters in that. I mean, there's a Boyarin's 642 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.119 book that's pretty good that we used in the Daniel. 643 00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.280 Just look up the introduction to the Daniel Hoikikichu debate. 644 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.320 And I list some of the decent books. But if 645 00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.840 you mean like the development of reform Judaism or Kabbala, 646 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.840 that kind of stuff, they don't really deal a lot 647 00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:57.239 with that. But if you wanted to read like the 648 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.880 history of Kabbala, maybe from any book by Gersham Sholem 649 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:03.679 would be pretty good. But beyond that, I'm not sure 650 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.079 about later developed doctrines. But those are probably the ones 651 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.719 that I would be familiar with. I think the one 652 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:24.280 is the Talmant. One is by Schaeffer, and it's from Yeah, 653 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:31.840 Peter Schaeffer, which University, Princeton, So Princeton University Press. Jesus 654 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:33.559 and the Talmut is pretty good. I've read a few 655 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:43.360 chapters of that and Daniel Boyarn's book we use for 656 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:51.880 several debates Borderlines. Was this one that was relevant for 657 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:59.800 the Muslim debates Bodies, But that's not really about his 658 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:10.920 oracle Judaism. Oh show show them, Yeah, yeah, major trends 659 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.480 in Jewish mysticism. I have. Let's see origin. I think 660 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:21.320 I read all the origins of the Kabbala. I just 661 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:27.119 bought his book on Jacob Frank, but it's small. I 662 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:32.719 haven't read it yet. Oh, and then there's this one. 663 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.599 I read a bunch of this one, which is a 664 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:41.039 gigantic text on kabbala. That one's pretty good. So if 665 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.639 if that's but I don't really have a I don't know, 666 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.840 like the history of modern I read Jared Diamond's book 667 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.440 History of the Jews, and that would probably chart the 668 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:55.039 more historical developments. But that's all I can think of. 669 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.440 Carb five dollars. Did you watch Tucker's recent interview with 670 00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.880 the Orthodox nun and palistin Now? I saw that he 671 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.679 did that, but I didn't realize. I didn't know if 672 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.360 she was. I assumed she was Orthodox because of the 673 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:06.400 Greek name, but I know she was Roman Catholic or what. 674 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.199 But I've not watched it. I just saw that it 675 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:15.039 went up today, so I don't know exactly. I mean, 676 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.559 I would assume I would agree with her and appreciate 677 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.119 Tucker giving a voice to these these kinds of positions 678 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:27.119 and views. David, what's up man? Do you have Judaism 679 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.559 Strange Gods by Hoffmann? Yes? I have the book. I've 680 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:36.840 read some chapters of it. It's it's it's very hard. 681 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.360 I mean, I'm not saying the information isn't accurate, but 682 00:38:39.400 -->

00:38:42.039 it's very hard to read because it's like a thousand 683 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.119 pages and it's just like, I mean, after a while, 684 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.280 if you read a lot of Talmud texts, you just 685 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:49.800 kind of like, all right, I get the point, Like 686 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.039 this is just this it's crazy. What's the name of 687 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.760 the Jacob Frank book? Let me grab it over here 688 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:57.960 on the show. If I haven't read yet, I just 689 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.880 got it. 690 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.199 Can you many express. 691 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:08.159 Where is it at? 692 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:11.760 Jamie? 693 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.199 Can you make the expressible? 694 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:14.760 No? 695 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:15.519 I can't find it. 696 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:27.719 Oh here it is? Where is it? 697 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.599 Well? Easier said than done. I don't know where it is. 698 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.320 I might have taken it back to Tennessee. I don't 699 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.960 see it. But oh wait, no, there it is. 700 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:59.480 Oh, I don't know where it is. Maybe Jamie took 701 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.599 it out of the w or something. 702 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.960 We actually have another whole library in here now, so 703 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:05.119 it's kind of confusing. I'll show which book it is. 704 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:21.159 So it's a little short book. It's a little red book. Yeah, 705 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:26.760 this is it. From Francism to Jacobinism. So I didn't 706 00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.320 I've never even heard of this. I was like, Oh, 707 00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.119 that looks really interesting. I gotta get that. So let's 708 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.800 see what he said about the Sabbatians. What's up David 709 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:36.039 on you? 710 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.159 Hey, how's it going. 711 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:39.320 What's on your man? 712 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.920 So I want to take an Islamic position, but I'm Christian. 713 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.920 I just want to kind of go over the Islamic 714 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.119 dilemma because I've heard of counter arguments that makes sense. 715 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.239 Interesting, I've never heard of counter argument that makes sense. 716 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:55.199 But go ahead. 717 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.719 So you argue that the Koran says that the Bible, 718 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:04.960 that the Bible is confirmed and is basically a revelation 719 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.920 that we should accept. 720 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.559 Right. Yeah, in the early Muslims of the first second 721 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.559 generation said the same thing too, outside of. 722 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.760 The kron But the Koran says in chapter two, verse 723 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.599 seventy nine, vote to those who write the scripture with 724 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.599 their own hands. Then they say this is from a 725 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.480 lot in order to purchase, in order to purchase. 726 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.760 What we've already covered this, that's not what it says. 727 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:33.239 It's talking about two which number. 728 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.119 Chapter two, verse seventy nine. 729 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:41.079 Yeah, we've covered We've covered this like fifty times. So 730 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.199 it's talking about the people who are literate. If you 731 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.119 go back to seventy eight, do you think the people 732 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:48.039 who are literate can change the texts? 733 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:51.960 They can change the oral. 734 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.719 Exactly, so they don't so they don't rewrite it exactly. 735 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:57.400 Yeah. 736 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.719 And how about Kurhn Chapter three, verse seventy one, old 737 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:00.760 people with the scripture? 738 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.920 Why do you mix the truth with falsehood and conceal 739 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:03.360 the truth? 740 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.440 Well, you know, okay, where does that say that they're 741 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:07.519 changing the text? 742 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:09.880 You mix the truth with falsehood? 743 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.199 That doesn't say they're changing the text. It's talking about 744 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.360 the people of the book, the people of the scripture, 745 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:16.880 which could be Jews and Christians mm hm. 746 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.480 And they're mixing what truth with fulsehood? 747 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.840 It doesn't say does that text say they're changing the 748 00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:23.480 text or is that what you're saying. 749 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.519 When you change the text, do you mix truth with falsehood? 750 00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:29.199 It doesn't say they change the text. 751 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:30.840 It implies that, No, it doesn't. 752 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.320 The other passages say that Allah's word can't be changed, right, 753 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.400 how does how does Allah's word not be changed? 754 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:39.480 In what sense? 755 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.679 Well, it doesn't matter because it says to go to 756 00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:46.960 the Torah and the Gospel. How do you do that? 757 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:47.840 If it's been changed? 758 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:49.440 It does matter? 759 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.280 How do you do how do you go to the tour? 760 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.679 How do you go to the Torah and the Gospel? 761 00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:56.480 If it's been changed? 762 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.440

That means God's ultimate message can be changed? 763 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:04.039 The protected how do you go? Exactly? Thank you? That's 764 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.599 the point. Yeah, it's not changed, is protected. So the 765 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:11.119 Tora and the Gospel are not changed. Oh, you just 766 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:14.119 said it means that it's protected and not changed. Then 767 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:15.599 you said two seconds later it's. 768 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.639 Changed changing what sense protected? In what sense protected? 769 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.000 What do you understand that? The argument is that the 770 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.880 Qoran itself contradicts itself, because the Quran is saying that 771 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.920 you need to go to these prior texts. Later Muslims 772 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.639 say that the prior texts are corrupted, even though the 773 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.519 Koran itself doesn't say that. The Koran actually says to 774 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:38.119 go back to the earlier texts. 775 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.840 Yeah, so when you're talking about the so do you 776 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.599 know that the Muslims believing in the death. 777 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.400 They have tradition of course, So you don't have been 778 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.519 in here. We've actually we've actually dealt with all of 779 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.800 these arguments, probably fifty times. So of course I don't 780 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.400 know what the heaths are, even though I have debated 781 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.920 all the top Muslims relevant the argument, How is any 782 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.760 of that relevant to this? 783 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.719 Because when when someone argued Muslim argues against you and 784 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.519 the only sites of the Bible. 785 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.559 What does that have to do with this? What does 786 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:12.440 that have to do That has nothing to do with 787 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.559 this point? It says to go to the Torah and 788 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:15.519 the Gospel. 789 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:20.400 Right because the hadith complete the king. 790 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.559 To do with what? It doesn't the hotdis themselves contradict. 791 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.280 They can they can't be separated. 792 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:29.960 What does that have to do with this argument? Why 793 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.559 are you bringing in the hadiths when the Qoran itself 794 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:34.639 says to go to the prior revelation. I know what 795 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.199 hadiths are, I'll debated all the top Muslims. That has 796 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:37.920 nothing to do with this. 797 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.400 You know what the hadiths are. You know they're inseparable. 798 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.119 So what all that means. All that shows me is 799 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.000 that the Quran and the hadiths all contradict the fact 800 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.639 that they believe in. Howdith has nothing to do with 801 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:48.880 proving this argument correct. 802 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.719 So the Hadith says that the Bible. 803 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.440 Is corrupted, right, All that tells me is that the 804 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:59.840 Koran and Hadiths contradict. Okay, so when how do I 805 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.159 go to the wisdom of the Torah and the Gospel 806 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:03.159 if it's corrupted? 807 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.039 What do you mean, how do you go to wisdom 808 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:11.519 of the tour in the Bible of is corrupted? 809 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.039 Yeah, Muslims would say that. 810 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:18.079 You so it's going to be circular right eventually, thank. 811 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.679 You exactly, And that's why it fails. So you admitted 812 00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:24.480 it's circular. Hence why you guys are idiots? Ulix? What's up? 813 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.920 And by the way, he's not. He's a Muslim acting 814 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:34.000 like he's not. This is the thing that the Muslims 815 00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.559 are doing now where they did this whole You'll notice 816 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.400 they'll do this a lot on God logic streams. They've 817 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.920 been doing this for the last year. They will call 818 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.599 in saying that they're Christians or they're catech humans and 819 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.599 they just want to ask questions and it's a trick 820 00:45:48.679 --> 00:46:02.000 because they're actually Muslims. What's up, man, I'm you, Hey, Jerry, 821 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.800 how's it going good. 822 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.280 I'm sorry you get that question literally up your color. 823 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:10.599 Have you heard of a book called View of the Hebrews? 824 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.280 Nope? 825 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.000 All right, So it's a book from the nineteenth century 826 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.599 from an author named Ethan Smith, and it's basically an 827 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:24.559 American revivalist postulation about the Native Americans being descended from 828 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:26.639 the lost tribes of Israel. 829 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.519 So it's just Mormon nonsense. 830 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.760 Yeah, so this is more evidence on the pile that 831 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.000 Mormonism is stealing, you know, American revivalist culture. 832 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:43.920 Oh interesting, Yeah, Actually, I didn't realize there was a 833 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:49.639 prior argument from evangelicals in America that that was the case. 834 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.880 And ers, what's up? By the way, for those that 835 00:46:51.920

--> 00:46:53.800 are interested, we have a video where we went through 836 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.000 I think all of the passages in the Qur'an about 837 00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.039 going back to prior revelation. 838 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.840 Hi Krrie, hi Ja. 839 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.880 I've been a viewer for a while. 840 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.920 So I'm a new adult heading into college. I was 841 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.880 asking if i'd get a little bit of advice about 842 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.360 what so I haven't been into theology or philosophy, and over, 843 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.800 you know, four years, and it's pretty intimidating my world 844 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.119 to come into. I was asking if you could recommend 845 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:29.480 me like books that I could read or that you know, 846 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.400 a way I could get back into it, because it. 847 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.320 Is really intimidating. 848 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.320 What exactly about what. 849 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:45.760 Maybe orthodox Orthodox philosophy, Orthodox ofistemology, i'll difference from Catholicism. 850 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.480 Well, I would start with Laski's book Mystical Theology of 851 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:56.280 the Eastern Church, doctor Phillip Schard's book Greek East, Latin West, 852 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.280 and then go to my recommended reading on my website. 853 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.559 So let me find this. There's a video I made 854 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:06.519 where I went through all of the texts in the 855 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.039 Quran talking about prior revelation right here, all the Koran 856 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.920 texts that confirm it, the Bible, thirty minutes of it 857 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:22.800 right here. So here's the full reputation of what that 858 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:30.199 kid was arguing, what's up, Apples, what's up dude? What up? 859 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:30.320 Bro? 860 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:37.079 Flame mess? Yeah, we read that one car, but we 861 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.239 read that one dan vicious five dollars. I like to 862 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.320 trigger democrats and progressive by saying Dogma is one of 863 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:47.519 the greatest profile pro life films ever created. That's funny. 864 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:53.239 I have seen dogma. What's up, man, I'm mute apples. 865 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.960 I think the tradcasts are bad than the Protestants or 866 00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.960 what bagger than the. 867 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.400 Rotistance gayer gayer. 868 00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:09.000 Uh probably, I'm just trying to be somewhere super gay. 869 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:10.480 So I was just getting your opinion. 870 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.760 Well, split the split the week, you know, go to 871 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.400 the Revival church Evangelical church on Wednesdays and then go 872 00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:20.719 to the Latin Mouse on Sundays. 873 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.159 That's awesome, Hey, man, advice for someone. 874 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:33.519 What if I'm too stupid to crock orthodoxy? 875 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:35.880 I don't think it's anything to do with intellect, So 876 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.280 what's the stupid part? What do you mean? 877 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:45.400 What if I'm too slow to grasp the theology? 878 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:47.360 Uh? 879 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.840 Well, then I would just not make theology my focus. 880 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.719 I would just focus on other aspects of the faith, 881 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:56.039 like lives of saints or I don't know, history of 882 00:49:56.039 --> 00:50:00.159 the church, or iconography and aesthetics. Those are other domains 883 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.800 that don't focus on high tier technical theology terms. 884 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.159 I think it's like sometimes I think I resonate more 885 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:17.679 emotionally than intellectually. Okay, so sometimes it's hard to. 886 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:24.079 Have a change of mind based off intellect Yeah, it's 887 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.239 like it feels like that there's not there's no amount 888 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.679 of knowledge that I can gain, so like unlock some 889 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.559 kind of revelation. It's like a it feels like it's 890 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.320 like an endless pursuit. 891 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:45.559 Well yeah, again, maybe you know, maybe approaching God philosophically 892 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:50.880 and intellectually just isn't like your vibe, and go with 893 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.360 more of a promote approach of attending the liturgy. And 894 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.440 you know, not that you shouldn't if you're into the 895 00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.639 intellectual side of it, but you know, just focus on 896 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:03.519 other spects. You don't have to read Lasky and Florofsky 897 00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.800 and all these people. Not everybody has the same proclivities 898 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:08.320 or gifts. 899 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:19.559 Owen, what's up man, Well yop, heyj I. 900 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:24.880 Was just wondering about the First Council in Jerusalem that 901 00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:25.960 Ax talks about. 902 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.280 Is that, like, am I kind of stupid. 903 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.800 For thinking that's a good reputation for people's supremacy. 904 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.599 I think ultimately it does refute it. The problem is 905 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.199 just that it's used a lot in Roman Catholics have 906 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.079 a lot of kind of pat responses to what they're 907 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.840 gonna say if you bring it up. So even though Ultimately, yes, 908 00:51:45.960

--> 00:51:49.840 I do think it isn't the vatican one view. They're 909 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.599 just gonna say something like, yeah, well, you know, Peter 910 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.400 still has a key role and uh, you know, it 911 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.000 develops over time like a seed growing into a tree. 912 00:51:58.159 --> 00:51:59.559 And I mean they're just gonna have a lot of 913 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:00.000 power respon. 914 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:02.440 Okay. 915 00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:07.199 I also kind of had a question about it about 916 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.000 whether or not it's possible to really have like a 917 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:15.320 Christian republic or if like republican forms of government and 918 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:20.000 democracies themselves are corrosive to Christianity. 919 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.880 I mean, I don't guess it's impossible, but usually when 920 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:26.480 it's tried, it just doesn't seem to work really well. 921 00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.920 But I mean it's I guess it's always theoretically possible. 922 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.360 I haven't overlooked your super chat, dude, chill out, man. 923 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.159 There's a lot of superchats. Let me try to get 924 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:41.320 to them all. And there's two different ways that they 925 00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:43.840 come in apple Seed. No, we read that one Troy 926 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.280 Orthodox five dollars. I'm asking for my friend Norm, do 927 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.840 you own a doghouse? I'm assuming that's a Norm McDonald joke. 928 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.480 I don't own a dog or a doghouse, for one, 929 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.119 because we travel a lot, so I don't have the 930 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.880 ability to have a dog. But I did tell Jamie 931 00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.039 that eventually I could get her a dog, but we 932 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:10.800 had to figure out how to make that at work. 933 00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:15.840 Dennis sends sixty looks like Hebrew currency. I don't know. 934 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:19.760 Sheckls God, bless you Jay, and bless your chat. Appreciate that, man, 935 00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:27.639 appreciate that. I'm trying to find your super chat. Dude, 936 00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:36.960 I don't know what you're Can you just relax good, 937 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:45.360 I'm scrolling back. I gonna find it. Burden ten dollars 938 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.239 unblocked me on Twitter. I said you were mean. I 939 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:53.360 apologize Weeper's icon. Okay, I'll try to remember to do that. 940 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:59.480 Vanilla seven seventeen ten dollars Unitarian mate pivoted to Christ 941 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:03.960 and says, no one sees God but the Son. So 942 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:08.639 Gideon saw an angel, But the text says that Yahweh 943 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.280 turned his face to Gideon, So it's that doesn't That 944 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:13.320 doesn't work If you can't say that Gideon was just 945 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.360 hanging out with Michael the arch angel. He says, Revelation 946 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:23.559 twenty two sixteen is a checkmate. How could that be 947 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.400 a checkmate? Let's see, let's steal man. The argument. 948 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.960 Steal man. 949 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:35.559 Revelation twenty two sixteen. I Jesus sent my Angel to 950 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:40.480 testify to these things in the churches. I am the 951 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:42.679 root of offspring of David. So the fact that Jesus 952 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:46.920 says he sent a messenger, the messenger is John. You 953 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.159 got again. People are so stupid. I don't know why 954 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.679 they can't understand this. They they think that the word 955 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.639 angel only refers to like Michael and Gabriel in Your 956 00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:58.480 Guardian Angel. It's just the word that means messenger, dude. 957 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.320 So the content is going to determine what kind of 958 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.119 a messenger it is. The messenger of the Book of 959 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.920 Revelation is the apostle John, and the angels of the 960 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:12.480 seven Churches can also be the bishops of the seven churches. 961 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:17.079 They're also messengers. And there's also angels that are angel messengers. 962 00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.719 So there's nothing about Revelation twenty two sixteen that somehow 963 00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:25.960 proves that Jesus never appears in the Old Testament. It's 964 00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.079 just a created angelic being. I mean, this is so dumb, 965 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.000 and I don't understand why people keep having a problem 966 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:36.719 with this. It's just like the Musli I guess there's 967 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.119 a lot. I mean again, I don't mean to make 968 00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.639 it all iq I know it's not, but like I 969 00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:42.920 think with a lot of these Adiq people man like 970 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.800 these Muslims, these Pakistanis and these these people and these 971 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.760 other like they they're just never going to understand these 972 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.400 kinds of distinctions. And I guess this was the whole 973 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.440 point of that. You know, how would you feel if 974 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:55.280 you hadn't had breakfast? 975 00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:55.400 Me? 976 00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.800 I mean, can we look at the word goat or kid? 977 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:10.400 I mean the word kid? Do you slow people understand 978 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.400 that a kid isn't always a goat. Sometimes it's a

979 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.400 human child. And so the contact and the intentionality of 980 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:18.880 the author is going to determine whether we're talking about 981 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:22.960 a small human child or a goat. But it's the 982 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.679 same word. Is that? Okay? Are we understanding this? Grade 983 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:32.639 school children? Brody Leerman five dollars? I'm doing my first 984 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.639 stet of open mic tonight. Wish me luck well? She 985 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:36.760 see we got these people in the audience. They're already 986 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.599 beating me. I don't have open mic night because it's 987 00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:41.360 a damn black club and I'm gonna get beat up 988 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.199 if I go and do my stand up there comedy 989 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.760 zone got converted because they started serving fried onions and 990 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:51.679 blossoms and all of the black people sort of coming in. 991 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:58.719 Now it's a black comedy club. But good luck, Brody, 992 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:06.880 we do support you, all right. Let me I'm trying 993 00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:11.440 to find your super check. You said I missed it. 994 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:16.159 Jony ten dollars, Jay, I love you man. Have you 995 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.920 made a video of the Jehovah's witness contection connection to 996 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.960 the CIA? I didn't make a video on it, but 997 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:27.360 we've done countless videos where we talked about intelligence agencies 998 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:31.360 utilizing religions and cults, including toes, witnesses, and scientology. Absolutely. Yeah, 999 00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:35.039 we've mentioned that probably. I mean again, I don't have 1000 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.440 a single video on that subject, but I bet we've 1001 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:43.119 mentioned it forty times in ten years of podcast. Let's 1002 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:48.840 see here. J mel twenty dollars. Thank you for defining 1003 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:52.800 the Beatsivic vision. Does it come out of Augustine? Actually? Yes, 1004 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:56.400 Augustine is one of the first to state the Beatzivi vision. 1005 00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:58.079 He says it in the City of God. We've covered 1006 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:02.679 that when we lecture through the City of God. Did 1007 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.360 the Catholics infer it from other Enlightenment writings? No, I 1008 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.119 didn't everything do the Enlightenment. The beatific vision doctrine has 1009 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.280 stated clearly in Augustine and City of God. I think 1010 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.199 he played. I think he states it in other places too. 1011 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:18.519 Maybe on the Trinity a quinness kind of builds on 1012 00:58:18.599

--> 00:58:21.840 it solidifies it, that the intellect is saciated by seeing 1013 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:26.119 the divine essence. I mean, that's just kind of what 1014 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:28.239 I mean. It's it's dogma in Rome, like it's in 1015 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:31.760 Densinger as its own entry beatific Vision, but it's actually not. 1016 00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:35.679 It's not in Denzinger until the Middle Ages. I want 1017 00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:39.199 to say, like John the twenty second or something. It's 1018 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:49.000 it's pretty late in Denzinger. Friar Ze, what's up, dude? O? Hey, 1019 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:58.840 let's find the Denzinger. It'll come up pretty quick. What's up, man? 1020 00:58:58.880 --> 00:58:59.679 I'm friars A. 1021 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.679 Hello. Can you know what I mean? Hello? I remember 1022 00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:05.679 if you remember I called and all I tuned in 1023 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:10.920 one time about asking if you did personal calls a 1024 00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:11.679 few weeks ago? 1025 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.920 Okay, Oh, I mean it is not. 1026 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.360 But I've like a thousand questions, but I guess the 1027 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.960 one I want to ask is more personal. 1028 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:24.119 How does how do you? How does one? How does 1029 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:28.239 it work? Being like who you are, like quote unquote 1030 00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:30.679 maybe famous or you know, whatever word you want to use. 1031 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:35.760 Within Orthodoxy, Like do you like have to like check 1032 00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.719 in with your parish priests? 1033 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:40.599 Do they like like, I'm not trying to get in 1034 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.559 your business. I'm just genuinely wondering how like it works. 1035 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.519 I know you've been doing stuff, you know, long before Orthodoxy, 1036 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.800 so I'm curious just how it maybe works. You know 1037 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:51.719 what I'm saying, because. 1038 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.760 I know I saw someone where you like said you 1039 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.599 gave your discord to your parish folks. 1040 00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.960 So I'm just think I didn't get my discord any 1041 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:03.119 parish folks, so I'm not I gave it over to 1042 01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.360 Fathered again, and I should have time for it. Yeah, 1043 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.639 I mean my handler, my priest is my handler, and 1044 01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:12.400 he's directly under Dugan, and Dugan's directly under Putin. So 1045 01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:15.880 Putin basically sends out the directives. It gets trickles down 1046 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.719 to Uh to Dugan, and then that trickles down to 1047 01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.559 my priest and then my priest. Basically he lives over 1048 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:26.760 in the basement underneath me, and whenever he's ready, he's 1049 01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:28.960 got a little a little horn that he talks into 1050 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.440 and there's a pipe that comes up into my bedroom 1051 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:35.280 and basically he tells me what to do on pretty much. 1052 01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:37.559 I mean it's not like minutes a minute, it's more 1053 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.400 like every fifteen minutes. He basically gives me the directive. 1054 01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:44.039 So it's pretty much total control. But you know, it's 1055 01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:48.679 a life, it's a living. Let's see, it was John 1056 01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.760 the twenty second, but I got to fund I'm trying 1057 01:00:50.760 --> 01:01:00.559 to find the first entry. I want to say. I 1058 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:05.960 don't know why this is coming up. It's benedictu's datus. 1059 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.320 It says Danzinger nine oh four, but when you go here, 1060 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:15.760 it's not there, which is weird. So let's try nine 1061 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:16.239 oh four. 1062 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:21.039 Oh. 1063 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.719 This is two different numbering systems, that's why. So it's 1064 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.239 let's say Benedict this days. I was right, though it 1065 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:35.960 is John the twenty second. Now it's not excuse me, 1066 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:47.280 Benedict the twelfth be a tyfic vision in the last days. 1067 01:01:47.360 --> 01:02:03.800 Here we go, there you go Denzinger five thirty, Dogma, 1068 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:08.519 you see the divine essence in the escaton right there? Dusan, 1069 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:17.599 what's up, dog I'm still looking for your question about 1070 01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:23.480 Sir Joe five or eight A's high IQ is not 1071 01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.920 halal bro exactly. I think it's kind of a requirement. 1072 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:31.280 You gotta be low iq. I don't see any questions 1073 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:35.559 about the patriarch, So I don't know what you're having 1074 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.559 a meltdown about. I'm going back. Maybe I just missed it. 1075 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:50.199 Let me scroll back steam aleven five dollars. In Hebrew, 1076 01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:54.960 the word allah is a curse and an oak. Muslims 1077 01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:59.559 and Arab Christians worship cursed oak trees. I don't know 1078 01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:02.320 what that means, the word allah. I think you're making 1079 01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:21.119 a joke. Surely, right, Bulgarian three dollars? This must be it. 1080 01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:24.880 What do you think of Patriarch Bartholomew talking about World 1081 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:28.800 Council of Religions for Peace in twenty twenty five. I 1082 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:32.719 mean it's as bad as anything bar the

Pope for 1083 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:35.239 INSTIs in Vatican Tuesday. I mean I've been critiquing and 1084 01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:49.800 calling out Bartholomew for a long time. Burden, I'm an 1085 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:53.239 orthodoxed catecumen. We had an interaction that was silly, unblock me. 1086 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:59.440 I want to call you, okay, weeper's icon dousan. What's 1087 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:12.800 up man? I'm mute man, barely what's up? 1088 01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.400 Id? Because I'm an Orthodox Christian. I had a question 1089 01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:18.920 about praying for these people. 1090 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.519 Can they be used for salvation? 1091 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:26.239 Uh? 1092 01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:28.159 Well, I mean we can pray for the dead, but 1093 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.480 if I mean, if they died self consciously in wickedness, 1094 01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:34.800 which we don't know right, it is probably not going 1095 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:37.840 to save them. So if they are wicked and they 1096 01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:40.960 die wicked, they're not going to be saved because we 1097 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:43.159 pray for them. But we don't know people's final state 1098 01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:45.679 and all that, so you know, we can pray for them. 1099 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:58.679 Monitor what's up man? What's up? 1100 01:04:59.800 --> 01:04:59.920 Hey? 1101 01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:06.519 J Hey, hey? 1102 01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:10.719 I was watching Nick Flintes recently and someone asked. 1103 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:15.119 About you and he said he liked you and would 1104 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.079 do a collab. 1105 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.199 So when are you gonna. 1106 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:18.639 Get that set up? 1107 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:22.159 Well, there was a kind of collab in that he 1108 01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:24.519 was just on the Sam Hide Show, which I wrote for. 1109 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.280 But nobody has reached out to me yet. 1110 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:30.719 Okay, I hope it happens. 1111 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:33.719 Thank you anything else on your mind? 1112 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:38.559 No, thanks for what you do? 1113 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.119 Extreme what's up. 1114 01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:48.719 Whom? 1115 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:54.760 I had a couple of quick questions. One, do you 1116 01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:59.320 believe in cryptids? Have you ever read the Hammer of 1117 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:02.159 which is or heard of it? And what are your 1118 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:05.000 thoughts on the medieval witch trials and where wolf trials 1119 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:08.800 of Europe. 1120 01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:12.599 I'm open minded about cryptids. I think that there's probably 1121 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:19.119 you know, demonic spirits and entities or something. Probably I 1122 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.840 can't prove that with any like hardcore

evidence. I think 1123 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:31.199 probably a lot of the medieval trials were probably bullshit. 1124 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.679 I have read Hamberg Witches. There's a lot of silly 1125 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:37.920 stuff in there, got a lot of superstitious stuff. But 1126 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:42.320 that's about all I know about that. Lord. I love cryptids, though, 1127 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.960 but I don't know what's going on. Lord Casper Swift, 1128 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:47.400 what's up? 1129 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:47.639 Man? 1130 01:06:57.599 --> 01:06:59.719 Speaking of I forgot we were gonna we were gonna 1131 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:05.199 do a a stream on land between the lakes and 1132 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:09.719 the dog man well whatever he is, I forgot about 1133 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:15.000 doing that. That one. That's a fun one, Lord Casper. 1134 01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:22.800 I'm here, dude, What is the logic behind waiting in 1135 01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:26.800 line and then not unmuting? I don't understand what? What's 1136 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.159 what do people get out of that? 1137 01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:28.360 Like? 1138 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:28.559 What? 1139 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:35.159 Why? I'm mystified by this, Jason, what's up, dude? I 1140 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.599 hope this is the black guy that says, white boy, 1141 01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:38.000 what's that? 1142 01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.360 White boy? 1143 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:44.360 Remember him? The guy that makes like infinite profiles? 1144 01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:49.760 Yes, sir, so, I'm what the dot Christian. 1145 01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:51.800 I've been wanting to speak the team for a while. 1146 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:54.920 I forgot a lot of my questions. 1147 01:07:54.960 --> 01:08:00.800 But my parish really pushes that the Calistos where the 1148 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:05.800 Orthodox Way book is a it's that it's a good book, 1149 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:11.239 and I've heard negative things about him personally, with him 1150 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.840 being like an ecumenist. I just wanted to know what 1151 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:17.079 your thoughts are were about his writings. 1152 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:19.319 The worst part of that book is that it kind 1153 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:22.520 of hints at universalism in one section, and then there's 1154 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:26.520 a Nestorian Protestant statement about Jesus being damned on the cross, 1155 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.119 which is false, and then beyond that, towards the end 1156 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.439 of his life he softened up and seemed to be 1157 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:37.520 pro gay. So I do not ever recommend where books. Aaron, 1158 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:48.119 what's up? Man? Yo? 1159 01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:53.279 Hey? Can you hear me? Hey? 1160 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:55.760 Today your day has finally come. 1161 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.600 You were about to get debunked finally. 1162 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.800 No, see, now you got me all hyped up. I 1163 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:05.039 was ready to get smashed. 1164 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:07.399 No. 1165 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:12.079 I just got a quick question for you. Have you 1166 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:17.880 ever encountered any type of King James only ism? 1167 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:19.039 Sure? 1168 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:23.479 So, I kind of grew up in. 1169 01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:24.359 This and. 1170 01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:30.439 It's kind of recently looked into it a little bit 1171 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:35.640 more and realized it is, you know, cultish sort of. 1172 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.000 Do you have any advice for. 1173 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:46.840 I guess I should give some backstory here, But my 1174 01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:51.920 dad is actually my pastor, and yeah. 1175 01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:52.039 So. 1176 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:58.159 I don't really know how to approach him about this 1177 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.640 and say like, hey, we're going to disagree that here 1178 01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:03.000 without you know, like. 1179 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.880 You have any well, I would just not I would. 1180 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:11.520 You know, you're never going to convince your dad through 1181 01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:16.439 debate and argumentation because he's there's just a dynamic that's, 1182 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:23.279 you know, authority versus those under authority. So the best 1183 01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:25.840 way to convince your dad is for him to see 1184 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:28.960 that if you become Orthodox, that it impacts your life 1185 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:32.399 in a positive, profound way. So he sees you mature, 1186 01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:35.039 he sees you become a man, he sees you, you know, 1187 01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.640 establish a family, you know, have your own business, be 1188 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:42.000 faithful and stable, and a change in you. That's the 1189 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:44.800 best way to convert and influence your family. It's not 1190 01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:48.239 going to be through debating and you know, arguing about 1191 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.039 the Philly oquay over you know, Thanksgiving dinner, and none 1192 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:53.079 of that's going to work. The only time I would 1193 01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:56.760 say is that if they do ask you questions, at 1194 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.520 that point, it's good to say, hey, yeah, dad, here's 1195 01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:01.920 a really good book on orthodoxy. I recommend reading this. 1196 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:05.079 So that's how I would approach that. Otherwise it's just 1197 01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:08.159 not it's just not worth trying to argue with with 1198 01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:14.399 your dad. And you know, the KJV only route crowd 1199

01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.800 is is a difficult one because they're usually suit like 1200 01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:22.199 I'm not talking about your dad in particular, but like 1201 01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:25.399 it's very dunning Krueger to where like they don't even 1202 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.680 realize how dumb the stuff they believe is, and the 1203 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:32.520 more you try to kind of refute it, the more 1204 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.079 they double down, triple down. So I would actually just say, 1205 01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:39.479 maybe it's a tough one with us because it's like 1206 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:46.319 a cult. I mean, I would say, you know, if 1207 01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:51.720 he if he's not willing to question it or consider 1208 01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:53.560 the possibility of being wrong, and it's even worse if 1209 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:56.520 he's a pastor, you might just have to just leave 1210 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.600 it alone and just try to love him to death. 1211 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:02.199 It's really the only thing I could think of. Honestly, 1212 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:05.560 try to be the best son that you can be. 1213 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:12.600 That's probably your best route. But I feel, you, man, 1214 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:20.279 I mean, tain't nothing ten dollars. Everybody should watch Chase's 1215 01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:24.640 debate with Vegan Gains on jimbob channel. It's pretty entertaining. Yeah, 1216 01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.840 I would like to check that out. That sounds super funny. 1217 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.039 I didn't even know that was happening. I probably would 1218 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:33.479 have postponed this stream. So they're not mad thinking I 1219 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:36.000 was trying to steal the audience or whatever. I didn't 1220 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.560 know they were doing that. But that sounds pretty funny. 1221 01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.359 But I mean, I don't think anybody's expecting Vegan Gains 1222 01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:45.439 to offer very much. Does he still do the same 1223 01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:50.319 name the tree? I mean, are people still vegan? That 1224 01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:52.880 seems like this has died out. Remember when Tristana was 1225 01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:55.720 doing live streams and you know, this is like twenty nineteen. 1226 01:12:55.760 --> 01:13:01.680 It's like the height of veganism on YouTube, and I 1227 01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:04.239 don't even see anything vegan. I don't even know there's 1228 01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:08.119 still vegan YouTubers. Is it even a thing? Somebody was 1229 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:11.880 saying that it's so bad now that like Vegan Gains 1230 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.600 just does his own like OnlyFans or whatever. I'm not joking, 1231 01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:20.119 Like he actually does his of and that because like 1232 01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:24.520 the whole vegan YouTube world died. That's what I thought 1233 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.920 was going on. So whenever I hear like, oh that's 1234 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:32.079 twice straight up twenty eighteen and here the day Vegan gains, 1235 01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:39.479 remember him, um making sure I didn't missing the super 1236 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:41.920 chest because there was quite a few. I think I 1237 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:48.720 got them all there. Yeah, I got that one, got 1238 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:53.359 that one, got that one. Don't you dare miss the 1239 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:58.399 super Chi bust down, Jubilee one dollar. Your shades can 1240 01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:01.039 hide all the tears in your eyes, but not your 1241 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:04.960 underskin mole on your eyebrow, white boy? Oh got me? 1242 01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.199 Look at that a mole right there. That's a pretty 1243 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:11.640 devastating cut down. Might have to call it a night. 1244 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:15.279 And that's why I wear the glasses so you guys 1245 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:18.840 can't see me crying. Because it's like, are people not 1246 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:21.119 even good at cutdowns anymore? Remember in the back in 1247 01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.399 the day, dude, Like in the eighties and the nineties, 1248 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:27.439 cutdowns were just savage, dude. They would just like cut 1249 01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:31.479 to the bone. But like, you have a mole on 1250 01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:35.479 your eyebrow, that's the best you got, Dude. That's weak. 1251 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.920 It's weak as hell, all right, It's up and for him, 1252 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.399 anybody wants to call in, I've still got some energy. 1253 01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.000 I'm still here. I'm still standing hit request to speak. 1254 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.800 These guys have already been on. I feel like I'm 1255 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:51.439 just gonna get more questions of stuff that we've already 1256 01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:53.760 kind of dealt with. No offense to those dudes. I 1257 01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.600 love you. I love you guys, you very much. Not 1258 01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:01.560 hating on you. I love you. It's called a you anymore. Exactly, Hello, 1259 01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:07.960 Cindy Crawford, exactly e diva atism five dollars. Should migrant 1260 01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:12.000 populations who convert return to their countries of origin? I 1261 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:14.640 think they should return, regardless of the conversion or not. 1262 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:17.680 Conversion has nothing to do with him. Like, they should 1263 01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:20.600 just go back. That's what I think. Carb five dollars. 1264 01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:23.359 Shout out to your godfather, Dean Arnold. He has great 1265 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:26.439 friends from college with my father in law who is 1266 01:15:26.439 -->

01:15:29.439 now a priest, who brought him into the Orthodox Church. 1267 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.960 Well that's crazy. It's an interesting round about it, Seim. 1268 01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:34.960 I want to call in. Who hasn't called in? Okay, 1269 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.279 so these dudes, no offense to you, dudes, I love you, 1270 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:43.359 but you've already called in. I want haters and debaters. 1271 01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:48.319 That got to issue. We only got fifty second. Remember 1272 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.159 the other night, it was crazy. We had one hundred. 1273 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.840 Now we had two hundred and fifty people in here, 1274 01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:59.239 and nobody would nobody would call in. That was pretty 1275 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:04.960 that was pretty wide. And now we got sixty people. 1276 01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:09.600 And it's the same three dudes that have already called in. Owen, 1277 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:15.960 We'll go to this dude. What's up? Still stand? Hey, Jay? 1278 01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:17.800 Have you heard of Michael Jones? 1279 01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:18.720 Of course? 1280 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:21.000 Okay, So then like. 1281 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:23.199 If I talked if I said, like, you've heard about 1282 01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:25.319 his stuff about like the horror movies and stuff about 1283 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:26.920 vampires and syphilis and all that. 1284 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.159 Well, I don't know about every one of his theories. 1285 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.600 I don't what is his name about vampires and syphilists. 1286 01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:34.720 This isn't new. This is a new one to me. 1287 01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:36.239 I said. 1288 01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:42.199 That, I thought you would find it interesting because of 1289 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:42.680 your like. 1290 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:47.600 Are they are they fighting the low boss? Vampires starts with. 1291 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:50.960 The low both Well, when he's not talking. 1292 01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.199 About the Jews or the logos, he writes about horror 1293 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:56.680 movies and the like they're a horror. 1294 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:57.439 Itself and analyzes it. 1295 01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:58.079 I didn't know that. 1296 01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.079 Yeah, So with vampires, he. 1297 01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:03.880 Said he was reading about Graham Stoker and found out 1298 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:05.039 that Bram Stoker had. 1299 01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.199 Actually contracted Syphlis. 1300 01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:11.720 This is before penicillin, and that the whole vampire thing 1301 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:16.840 was basically a Catharsis story for Europe around syphilis, and 1302 01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:23.600 that that the whole thing with like the guy Harker 1303 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:28.000 when he's there with those female vampires or whatever, he.

1304 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:28.920 Like, has sex with them. 1305 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:32.399 Then he goes back to England and then Mina, which 1306 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:36.399 for the undercurrent is that Mina is like an innocent 1307 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:38.920 victim of syphilis because she starts going crazy and stuff, 1308 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.199 which is what happened to be there. 1309 01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:44.000 That is an interesting thesis. I never thought about that. 1310 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:49.960 I didn't know that. That's that's fascinating. Oh thanks, Yeah, Well, 1311 01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:54.560 beware of Tom Cruise, the you know him and Brad 1312 01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:56.159 Pitt trying to bite on your neck. You're probably going 1313 01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:59.520 to get the you know, get the gay. So watch out, spook. 1314 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:06.399 The spooky talk about Anne Rice. I'll talk about interview 1315 01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:10.039 with the vampire. I'm talking about right on that neck 1316 01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:15.000 boy getting that gay syphilis. What's up, man, I'm you 1317 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:17.760 I hey, Jake. 1318 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:23.199 I'm wondering about your take on Iran and Savak and 1319 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:28.479 the British involvement in the Iotolis rule. I'm mostly curious about, 1320 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:31.600 like what the key factor is that's keeping Iran under 1321 01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:34.800 the stranglehold of Britain. I'm also curious as to like 1322 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:38.760 why it seems to like kind of contradict some of 1323 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:42.319 the current narratives even like some of the deeper level 1324 01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.760 narratives about what's going on with like the geopolitical connections 1325 01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:50.319 in the world, like Russia and China and Iran. That 1326 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:53.399 alliance doesn't really seem to make sense to me, especially 1327 01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:57.159 with you know what I know about Iran's connection with 1328 01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:58.039 the British. 1329 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.760 I'm just I don't know what's going on, and I was. 1330 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.680 Wondering if she had. I mean, I've done several talks 1331 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.520 on the history of it that I mean, here's the 1332 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.119 clips video that just went up today seven hours ago 1333 01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:12.560 on the covert ties between Iran and the CIA, and 1334 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:15.119 I've done lectures on the history of British intelligence and 1335 01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:17.359 the relationship to it. But I don't, I mean, other 1336 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.119 than what I've talked about in those videos, I don't 1337 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:24.760 know what else to say. Jeremy, what's up. I'm still 1338 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:33.199 stan who brought the Eye of Tolis to power. And 1339 01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:35.319 here's the video of me talking about I tell us 1340 01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:39.560 come to power with the aid of the British. I mean, 1341 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:45.800 I don't think that Britain necessarily totally controls Iran. What's 1342 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:46.319 on your mind? 1343 01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:48.359 Hey? 1344 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:53.880 So I just was learning that Thomas believe in predestination, 1345 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:59.000 and I guess I just actually went a good one 1346 01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:01.319 of my best friends. He has a Catholic friend and 1347 01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.279 he just introduced us to which I think that would 1348 01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:07.000 get along. And I was just curious, is that is 1349 01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:12.439 the predestination in the Thomas view the official Catholic UH doctrine? 1350 01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:15.520 And if so, I guess we're no. I mean, as 1351 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:19.439 a Roman Catholic. Roman Catholics can believe in molinisms. While 1352 01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:22.399 Res's position, you can believe in the Thomas position. You 1353 01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:26.479 can have an Augustinian position. They allow a dispute and 1354 01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:35.520 debate on that topic. Okay, thank you, stay stand Hamilton. 1355 01:20:37.479 --> 01:20:48.199 What's up? Name? By the way? Uh? These two. 1356 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:51.000 J E. W. 1357 01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:57.159 Baiting Jesuits, Sam Hid obviously a Jesuit nick Off, obviously 1358 01:20:57.159 --> 01:21:00.640 a Jesuit, are in the CIA. They're mission is to 1359 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:05.680 filment the rise of the Jesuit controlled right wing, ultimately 1360 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:11.840 a monarchy and pro inquisition tridentine Catholic fascism. So here's 1361 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:16.439 what we got from this wacko Protestant to which I'm 1362 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:20.079 assuming this is Pinesapp. I think pinesp says the Society 1363 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:25.279 of Jesus sends us regards. Oh got smoked, to which 1364 01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:31.960 I said, welcome to Layer one. Of the Illuminati enormies, 1365 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:37.680 the Nephelin Bafomet bloodlines, Data Rectolians who control the Tibetan 1366 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:41.640 Atlantis Merchant Masonic Muselage Masters are the ones that actually 1367 01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:46.000 control the Jesuits, who controlled the jew who control the world, 1368 01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:54.359 and we send our regards welcome to Layer one. Normis Hamilton, 1369 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:55.359 I'm mute. What's up man? 1370 01:21:57.239 --> 01:22:01.880 Hey, J big fan. Thanks for me on. You're doing 1371 01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:05.319 a good job out there. We all love you. I'm 1372 01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:09.119 a big Sam hid fan as well. And my question 1373 01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:13.159

is have you had any discussion with Sam about religion, 1374 01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.680 because he seems like he's kind of making a turn 1375 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.640 into kind of making some public statements that. 1376 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:22.119 He might be a believer. 1377 01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:28.560 We had a lengthy discussion about his video game that 1378 01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:32.760 he's been creating, because he is putting Christian themes and 1379 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:37.079 elements into his sort of sci fi multiverse video game 1380 01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:40.439 that he's been working on for a long time. We 1381 01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:43.159 touched on it a little bit when I was on PGL, 1382 01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:47.600 but we haven't had much more than that. So, I mean, 1383 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:51.800 he did say in a podcast recently he does personally 1384 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:54.600 believe in Jesus, but I don't know if that means 1385 01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:58.000 he's attending a church or what. So we haven't really 1386 01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:02.399 engaged in that conversation beyond those two instances in the past. 1387 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.760 But yeah, I keep keep praying for Sam. I certainly 1388 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:15.880 have been. John David, what's up? Atism? No, we did that. 1389 01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:20.439 I thought I missed one. Hold on, let's see Vanilla. 1390 01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:24.399 No we did that. Ain't on? Uh oh you missed 1391 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:27.960 my super Roast chat a minute ago. No, I read it. 1392 01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.279 You said I have a mole. That was pretty hardcore. Dude. 1393 01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:34.600 I'm just still recovering because, man, you start talking about 1394 01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:38.560 my moles. Dude, that's hard. It's hard. I'm gonna be honest, 1395 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:43.039 it's hard. John David, what's up? 1396 01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:46.199 Many day? 1397 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:52.479 Appreciate what you do for the community and for the church. 1398 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.920 Go to question for you community organizer like Obama? Remember 1399 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.600 that community organizers. 1400 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:06.159 I came out of a of a of a cult. 1401 01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:09.680 Maybe maybe like nine months ago. 1402 01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:14.560 And what kind we love our cults? Yeah, So I'm 1403 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:16.840 working on starting all I got, so I need, I 1404 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:20.319 need all the info and the deets I can get. 1405 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:21.000 Yeah. 1406 01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:25.000 So, I mean it's not a sell. What's the point, right? Like? 1407 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:28.640 Yeah, they weren't too much into sex in this one. 1408 01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:34.800 It's called the Local Churches or the the Lord's Recovery. 1409 01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:36.399 Have you heard of that one? 1410 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:37.119 No? 1411 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:38.720 Yeah? 1412 01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:43.439 So it was started by Witness Lead. He was a 1413 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:47.279 prodigy of Watchman in China. Have you heard of Watchman? 1414 01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:47.960 Yes? 1415 01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:52.079 Yeah, No Christian lives and he. 1416 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:57.399 Was heavily influenced by someone called Emmy Barber and she 1417 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.279 was a dispensationalist. He took a lot of inspiration from 1418 01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:06.279 John Nelson Darby. They're super big into all of that 1419 01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:13.199 and their view, probably one of the most fundamental views 1420 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:16.760 is that the church is one city, one church. 1421 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:17.520 Have you heard of that? 1422 01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:19.880 Have not? Yeah? 1423 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:25.479 So in the New Testament, you see Paul use the 1424 01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:29.319 descriptor for the for the people that he's speaking to 1425 01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:33.119 in his epistle, Uh, you know, the church in Philippi, 1426 01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:37.199 the Church in Ethesus, the Church and Colossy. And then 1427 01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:46.000 you see in Revelation when Jesus uh addresses John, you. 1428 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:48.199 Know, give these to the give these letters. 1429 01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:51.199 I think give these letters to the seven churches, right, 1430 01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.439 I think he uses the term local church. And so 1431 01:25:55.560 --> 01:26:01.479 they're very dogmatic about how God's only right recognizes the 1432 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:05.439 church as one city meeting under that city's name, and 1433 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:08.439 of course they take full authority over that and then 1434 01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:11.239 just kick everyone else out of that picture. 1435 01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:16.039 So if you were. 1436 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:23.880 To begin to combat someone giving you that that argument 1437 01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:29.560 that you know in scripture we only see the church 1438 01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:33.760 is being described this way, then why would we ascribe 1439 01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:40.000 the church another way other than the worldwide church, which. 1440 01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:43.840 Churches describe both ways. So for example, you know in 1441 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:49.039 Matthew sixteen when Jesus establishes the church and he talks 1442 01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:51.119 to Peter, and then in Matthew eighteen, when the same 1443 01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:53.279 thing has said to the whole college of the Apostles 1444 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:56.840 when they meet in Acts fifteen at the Jerusalem Council, 1445 01:26:57.399 --> 01:27:01.000 that is the Apostolic College, which is the twelve foundation 1446 01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.039 stones

in the Book of Revelation of that one city. 1447 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:06.239 So the city, in terms of the imagery of the 1448 01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:09.560 Book of Revelation, is an entire building, an entire edifice. 1449 01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:13.159 And for example, in Peter's Epistles, Peter says you are 1450 01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:17.680 a holy priesthood, a Royal Chosen People, a holy Nation, 1451 01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:22.119 et cetera, ascribing the promises to the nation state of Israel, 1452 01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:25.560 to the universal Church. Those epistles are called the Catholic 1453 01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:29.319 epistles because they're not ascribed to any one church. Right, 1454 01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.359 So Peter and John's epistles are written to many churches 1455 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:35.399 as far as we know, hence the term Catholic epistles. 1456 01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:38.680 So the College of the Apostles is the foundation stones 1457 01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.920 of the New Jerusalem. The Book of Relation again says 1458 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.760 that each foundation stone has the name of an apostle 1459 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:49.720 on it and it's one vast building. So the cult 1460 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:52.439 here is basically saying that because some of the letters 1461 01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:56.359 are written to certain churches, there is therefore only local churches. 1462 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:58.600 But that's not true, right, It's a false either or 1463 01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:02.279 fallacy because it's of both. And yeah, there are local churches, 1464 01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:08.319 but they're also called one universal Catholicos or total Church, 1465 01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:12.119 or the entire body of Christ throughout the world. And 1466 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:14.520 again go back to the Old Testament, when we have 1467 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:19.560 the promises to you know, the patriarchs. The promises to 1468 01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:22.800 Abraham are that all the nations will be blessed in 1469 01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:25.920 the seed of the Messiah and In Galatians three, Paul 1470 01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:29.039 says that that seed is all the people baptized into Christ. 1471 01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.920 So that seed is the priesthood and is the nation, 1472 01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:35.479 and is thus not only local, but it is local. 1473 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:40.119 Okay, great, thank you for answering that. You can ask 1474 01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:48.279 another YEP. One of their Bedrock teachings comes directly from 1475 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:49.920 Watchman Knee. 1476 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:52.399 He basically made this. 1477 01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:58.359 Three volume series called The Spiritual Man, and within that 1478 01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:01.479 series he basically takes. 1479 01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:03.880 From Jesse Penn Lewis. 1480 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:07.680 Who was a dispensationalist mystic, and. 1481 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:14.479 Presents basically the on I don't know if I'm saying 1482 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:19.359 this is greatly the ontology of man, describing man as 1483 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:21.720 three parts, so tripart type view. 1484 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:26.119 And so you have the body. 1485 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:30.279 The biology and all its parts that are materially observable. 1486 01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:32.079 Then you have the soul to. 1487 01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:34.840 Comprise of the mind, emotion, and will. 1488 01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:41.279 And then the spirit, which they believe is comprised of 1489 01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:44.279 the conscience, the intuition. 1490 01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:45.439 And fellowship. 1491 01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:54.800 And my question is what would the orthodox view of 1492 01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:55.239 man be? 1493 01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:58.079 Was he two parts? Three parts? 1494 01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:02.800 And then if there are multiple parts, what are within 1495 01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:03.800 those parts? 1496 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:07.800 Yeah, well this is a little more complex. So what 1497 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.000 I would say is to go into this domain, it 1498 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:14.319 helps to really understand Orthodox Christology. And Orthodox Christology is 1499 01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:18.880 something that is not easy because it's formulated over many 1500 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:21.800 ecumenical councils, so you actually have to get up into 1501 01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:24.079 like the Sixth Council before you get a kind of 1502 01:30:24.079 --> 01:30:28.279 a crystallized total picture of Christology. But there are places 1503 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:30.840 that you can kind of start and get the overview. 1504 01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:36.039 So we do believe in a kind of a trichotomy body, soul, 1505 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:39.079 and spirit, and for us that's the news or the heart, 1506 01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:42.640 but that wouldn't translate into all these sort of arbitrary 1507 01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:46.319 categories that you're saying Watchman Knee has about the makeup 1508 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:48.880 of the person. So what I would say is, if 1509 01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:51.760 you were wanting to start, I would begin with John 1510 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.680 Damascus's book on the Orthodox Faith. I have a lecture 1511 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:58.239 series where I work through that whole book and he 1512 01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:01.119 will give you more of a basic kind of outline 1513 01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:06.439 of Orthodox anthropology within that systematic theology, and then as 1514 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:08.439 you get a little bit deeper, you can get into 1515 01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:11.520 what the Orthodox doctrine or the news is. But I 1516 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:13.880 wouldn't worry too much about that if you're new to

1517 01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:16.279 this stuff. I would focus on kind of learning the 1518 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:20.439 basics of you know, Orthodox systematic theology from a book 1519 01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:23.680 like Palma Zinsky's book Orthodox Dogmatics, and maybe read that 1520 01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:26.880 along with John Damascus, Saint John Mascus is on the 1521 01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.960 Orthodox faith, and then maybe then kind of branch into 1522 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:34.479 Saint Maximus the Confessor, who will go deeper into what 1523 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:39.239 you're talking about, with specificity about what's the actual quote 1524 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:42.399 parts of the soul or something like that. So just 1525 01:31:42.399 --> 01:31:44.439 wouldn't get too heavy into that if you're if you're 1526 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:48.239 starting out, understand you have questions about combating Watchman need 1527 01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:51.960 but yeah, just begin with these more basic things and 1528 01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.800 with you know, something like John Damascus's works, and then 1529 01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.000 that'll come eventually. It's just I wouldn't immediately get into 1530 01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:02.880 the news doctrine. This is interesting though, that Watchman apparently 1531 01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:08.800 had a close connection to campus crusade, which is closely 1532 01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:12.520 connected to the Pentagon that was detailed in. 1533 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:14.039 F. 1534 01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.000 William Ingdall's book Lost hedgem On. For the first that 1535 01:32:17.319 --> 01:32:20.880 was kind of a surprise for me. Now again, people 1536 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:23.479 lose their minds when I start talking about this. Oh, 1537 01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:26.439 you're saying everybody in this in this campuship state is 1538 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:28.720 and steel you no I'm not saying that. I'm saying 1539 01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:33.720 that the Pentagon, the military, the deep State, the State Department, 1540 01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:38.439 they view these institutions in these organizations as tools for 1541 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.199 soft power. So it does not mean that everybody in 1542 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.039 these institutions is some agent or some operative. In fact, 1543 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:46.000 most of people in these are too stupid to even 1544 01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:47.920 know that or ever figure that out. They'll never They're 1545 01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:50.199 never going to figure out that campus crusade is a 1546 01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:53.680 military Pentagon form of seft power. They're never going to 1547 01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:57.039 understand that. So we're talking to people who very few 1548 01:32:57.039 --> 01:33:00.319 of them will actually get this. And no, we're not schizophrenic, okay, 1549 01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:03.880 Like it's a form of soft power. Look up soft power, 1550 01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:07.239 Joseph Knight. We've covered this famous essay, this famous work 1551 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:11.359 from him. It's twenty years old, thirty years old. But 1552 01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:16.359 it's not surprising though that Watchman NI had this relationship 1553 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:19.880 because things are beginning to make sense. And by the way, 1554 01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:24.640 this actually ties into Peter Gilquist and the Evangelical Orthodox Church, which, 1555 01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:28.159 if you don't know, was the early phase of people 1556 01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:31.279 converting to Orthodoxy that came in under the Antiochians back 1557 01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:37.239 in the day in the early eighties. But Watchman Ni. 1558 01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:42.399 I don't. I haven't looked into this, but my first 1559 01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:50.760 inclination is this is probably a Western intelligence utilized influence 1560 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:54.199 operation in China. Now that doesn't mean that the Chinese 1561 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:56.960 government is good, because I'm saying that this is happening. 1562 01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.760 This is just the reality of geopolitics. And as we 1563 01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:02.399 pointed out for many years, which no one else points out, 1564 01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:04.600 we're literally one of the only channels out here that 1565 01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:07.159 talks about this and points this out. Shout out to 1566 01:34:07.239 --> 01:34:09.760 Rachel for writing a really excellent essay some years ago 1567 01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:13.279 about NGO's think tanks and foundations trying to influence and 1568 01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:17.840 change religion. But we've also highlighted the intelligence apparatus's use 1569 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:21.479 of missionaries for many, many years, especially throughout the Cold War, 1570 01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:27.279 but even way earlier than the Cold War. My inclination, 1571 01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:34.399 as I see that's probably what's going on here because Waschman. 1572 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:38.479 Nie was persecuted and opposed communism in China. And you 1573 01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:40.640 guys know, I'm not pro communist. I'm just telling you 1574 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:43.720 the reality of the situation that from the vantage point 1575 01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:46.720 of the CIA in the State Department, they would see 1576 01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:50.039 this as a very useful tool of soft power, or 1577 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:54.680 perhaps even covert espionage, right, missionaries that make great spies. 1578 01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:59.920 That's probably what's going on here. And here's the wor 1579 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.079 worst part about this. The worst part is not even 1580 01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:05.399 what's watchman me working for the OSS or CIA. No, 1581 01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:07.199 that's

not even the worst part. The worst part is that, 1582 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:10.199 like this guy that called endpointed out, these things can 1583 01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:15.319 very easily transition into being cults. So I've never heard 1584 01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:19.159 of this organization. The local churches is very By the way, 1585 01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:21.079 have you noticed that lately? We've had a lot of guys. 1586 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:23.159 But basically every time I do a stream, somebody calls 1587 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:25.760 in who was in a cult? Which is good. That 1588 01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:31.520 means people are leaving these idiotic, crazy cults. But it's 1589 01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:34.079 just like every day there's like, what is this cult? 1590 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:36.039 What did this is crazy? What is this one heard? 1591 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:42.039 I never heard of this? So this one, though, is dispensationalists. 1592 01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:49.119 That's crazy, A dispensationalist local church's cult. And what let's 1593 01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:53.000 see what the connection is to Peter Gilquist and the 1594 01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:57.199 Orthodox Evangelical Orthodox Church, which was a made up thing. 1595 01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:58.920 It's kind of like this was like kind of like 1596 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:02.960 Doug Wilson back in the day where they're like moving 1597 01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:07.199 gradually towards Patristic stuff, but they still have all this 1598 01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:14.800 evangelical stuff going on. And then eventually they were received 1599 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:19.680 under the Antiochians, and they became the big church down 1600 01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:22.319 in Nashville, the one that I first visited back in 1601 01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:27.960 two thousand and seven eight sat Ignatius in Franklin, Tennessee, 1602 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:34.640 outside Nashville. But let's see what this connection is. In 1603 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:38.000 nineteen sixty nine, Campus Crusade lot launched what would become 1604 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:43.119 Christian World Liberation Front at Berkeley. I guarantee you that's 1605 01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:48.560 a World Anti Communist League CIA State Department thing. In 1606 01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:51.880 an attempt to reach young people in the counterculture. Jack Sparks, 1607 01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:56.399 who was a former stats professor at Penn State and 1608 01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:59.600 a Campus Crusade staff member, became the dominant figure in 1609 01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:05.359 CWLF throughout the nineteen seventies. Sparks and Braun, who knew 1610 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:08.319 each other through the CCC, gave talks at the CWLF 1611 01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:14.479 gatherings against witness lee in the local churches to stem 1612 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:20.039 the loss of the members to that local church in Berkeley. Braun, 1613 01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:22.560 who had a bitter split with Gene Edwards, left this 1614 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:27.199 group and joined with Sparks and the other former Crusade 1615 01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:33.199 leaders to establish New Covenant Apostolic Order where with themselves 1616 01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:37.199 as the new Apostles. Oh my gosh. In nineteen seventy nine, 1617 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:43.079 six of these original seven New Covenant Appostolic Order apostles 1618 01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:48.479 appointed themselves bishops of the newly formed Evangelical Orthodox Church. 1619 01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:51.159 Isn't this funny too? Because it's kind of the exact 1620 01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:54.920 same progress and movement that we've seen people like Doug 1621 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:57.439 Wilson and James Jordan do, where they move more and 1622 01:37:57.439 --> 01:38:02.199 more towards a kind of high Church Anglican Is type position, 1623 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:04.199 and then they just could sort of create, oh, where 1624 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:07.439 this where the actual new Apostolic Church, the new Apostolic 1625 01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:11.640 TALC Church. This is crazy, but I will give I 1626 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:14.359 mean props to the Evangelic Orthodox Church for at least 1627 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:16.920 recognizing that this was silly and eventually just saying, okay, 1628 01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:21.359 we got to become Orthodox. In nineteen seventy four, they 1629 01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:27.439 founded a subsidiary cult counter cult ministry called Spiritual Counterfeit Project. 1630 01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:34.560 This is confusing, blah blah blah. In nineteen seventy six, 1631 01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:38.119 Peter Gilquist, who's the famous convert to Orthodox, he presiding 1632 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:41.079 in Sao became the head of Thomas Nelson Publishers, also 1633 01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:48.439 in Nashville, the Bible publisher. The first book was Mind 1634 01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:57.279 Benders by Jack Sparks. They blamed Watchman Nee and Witness Lee. Okay, 1635 01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:00.640 is this who is Witness Lee? I'm confused? No, is 1636 01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:06.640 this the mystic the dispensational mystic? I think this is 1637 01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:15.840 the mystic guy? Yes, Plymouth Brethren. Wow, this is crazy. Okay, 1638 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:21.479 so Witness Lee. These Chinese dudes are just like taking 1639 01:39:22.600 --> 01:39:29.239 the Watchmen and witness Is that how Chinese names work? 1640 01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:34.479 Like you just name yourself after like your function. My 1641 01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:40.600 name is YouTuber YouTuber dire. Just name yourself your function. Uh? 1642 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:57.359 Where are we at? This is Jonestown responding to the 1643 01:39:57.399 --> 01:40:01.520 demand for counter cult publications. After Jones Town, the books 1644 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:06.680 were

published. Blah blah blah. Innervarsity Press published the book next. 1645 01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:11.800 All right, I'm confused. How are we getting to the 1646 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:15.399 cult out of all this legal stuff? Where's the cult? 1647 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:22.119 Long story short? Just avoid all this evangelical nonsense, Like 1648 01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:29.560 what even is all this stuff? Watch a nonsense? Now 1649 01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:33.920 we're getting to Christian Research Institute. What this is Hank 1650 01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:34.720 Cannigraf stuff? 1651 01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:35.000 Right? 1652 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:43.800 Yeah? So now all the evangelical anti cult people are 1653 01:40:43.880 --> 01:41:04.479 fighting with the Watchman Knee spinoff cult deification. So witness 1654 01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:09.319 Lee began to use the term deification. That's interesting. He 1655 01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:16.520 got this from Ethanacious. By the way, you know this 1656 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:19.680 has happened with Francis Chan too, right, Francis Chan has 1657 01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:22.399 like suddenly decided he's his own made up Orthodox thing. 1658 01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:27.520 This is a weird thing that like Protestant Evangelical people 1659 01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:30.359 end up doing where they like, they won't become Orthodox, 1660 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:33.800 they just move more and more to kind of Orthodox 1661 01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:41.359 and then create their own thing. Right, Like Francis Chan 1662 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.079 is saying, oh, I believe in the real presence now, 1663 01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:48.760 and like as if you just kind of do it 1664 01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:51.600 and it happens and it has nothing to do with 1665 01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:59.720 like Apostolic succession. It's like what. But also people overlook that, 1666 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:02.600 I mean a lot of this stuff isn't even. 1667 01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:10.039 Francis Chen see by Willis's and the Eucharist, Hello to 1668 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:11.760 you friends, I'm Joseph de nich. 1669 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.279 To fellowship and the Lord's Supper. 1670 01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:16.760 They devoted themselves. 1671 01:42:17.479 --> 01:42:19.840 Again, a lot of people just don't even understand the 1672 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:25.640 angle of the Pentagon and the State Department having direct 1673 01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:31.119 connections and relationships with a lot of these giant evangelical organizations, corporations, 1674 01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:35.119 and movements, and I would say that's definitely probably what's 1675 01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:39.520 going on here. Was this a monitored Do you want 1676 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:42.720 to come back and mention any of this stuff? Because 1677 01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:44.920 this is a fascinating rabbit hole. I haven't really gone down. 1678 01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:58.720 I mute.

I'm mute, man, what's up? Help us out here? 1679 01:42:59.239 --> 01:43:02.159 Monitor immune? You're the guy in this cult? 1680 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:02.359 Right? 1681 01:43:04.840 --> 01:43:19.840 Can you hear me? Yo? I guess you can't hear me? Parhesia. 1682 01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:31.119 Is this Benny Wills, slowboy, whitebird, two dollars raid from hotel? 1683 01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:35.399 Shout out to everybody from hotel Parhesia. What's up? 1684 01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:35.520 Man? 1685 01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:36.000 You want to talk? 1686 01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:39.600 I'm you, hey, man, how are you? 1687 01:43:40.439 --> 01:43:41.359 I've got a yeah. 1688 01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:48.880 It's not really a debate, it's more of a question, 1689 01:43:49.239 --> 01:43:52.960 I guess, sort of from your perspective as a Christian. 1690 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:56.279 So I'm someone who's sort of in opposition to the 1691 01:43:56.319 --> 01:43:58.000 Abrahamic religions and. 1692 01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:00.520 In the sphees that I mixing. 1693 01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:05.640 The largest pushback that we receive is not so much 1694 01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:10.880 about theology. It's about ethnicity of Jesus. And I find 1695 01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:16.119 that sort of pretty odd as someone who's semi familiar 1696 01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:19.640 with the texts that this is the angle that sort 1697 01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:22.039 of being approached from. And I just sort of wondered 1698 01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:23.800 if you had a little bit of insight as to 1699 01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:25.880 why you think that that might be like a bit 1700 01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:27.439 of a resurgence at the moment. 1701 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:28.680 Does that make sense? 1702 01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:31.439 Who's I don't understand what who's pushing back on this? 1703 01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:34.800 What are you talking about? Sorry? 1704 01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:42.960 The Abrahamic religions I'm in opposition to. And when I 1705 01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:48.199 get into discussion about these sorts of topics, it's not 1706 01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:52.920 so much the actual scripture that is being argued about. 1707 01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:58.840 The Apologists generally come from an angle of this is 1708 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:06.399 a ethnically European ideology and it's an ancestral faith, which 1709 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.880 I sort of think is very clearly not not the case. 1710 01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:13.880 And I thought, there's someone who's in the Christian world 1711 01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:15.199 a bit more than I am. 1712 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:17.119 Have you got anything. 1713 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:20.159 I've never heard anybody. I've never heard anybody in the 1714 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:24.159 Orthodox Church think that Christianity is a European ethnic religion. 1715 01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:26.199 I've never heard that. 1716 01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:31.359 It's actually a surprisingly. 1717 01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:33.520 Common thing. 1718 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:40.279 That the have you heard of the White Jesus theory? 1719 01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:46.119 I mean, I know that there's Christian identity groups, and 1720 01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:51.680 there's British Israelite groups, but they're very tiny fraction movements. 1721 01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:54.800 I mean, maybe. 1722 01:45:57.800 --> 01:45:59.720 It's fine if if you're not sort of familiar with it. 1723 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:01.720 I just thought, you know, you're more in that world 1724 01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:04.119 sort than I am, and I thought, maybe this is 1725 01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:06.760 something that you're maybe semi familiar with and might be 1726 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:08.520 able to shed a little bit of light. 1727 01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:10.239 On that for me. 1728 01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:12.279 But it's perfectly fine. 1729 01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:13.039 You know, you can't be. 1730 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:15.680 Over it every topic obviously, so I just thought, you know, 1731 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:18.039 your knowledge, will you do this day in day out? 1732 01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:21.279 Right? So, I mean, Jesus is a descendant of Abraham 1733 01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:24.479 and his senate of David to fulfill the promises, so 1734 01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:28.199 obviously he's a Hebrew person. He's not a white European person. 1735 01:46:29.439 --> 01:46:33.000 But I've never heard anybody who isn't like just crazy 1736 01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:36.199 or in a cult think that Jesus was a white European. 1737 01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:37.359 That's kind of retarded. 1738 01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:44.000 Yeah, that's sort of my understanding of it too, because again, 1739 01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:48.399 it was a requirement of the prophecy fulfillment to be 1740 01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:51.960 from that direct line, and to me at least, it's 1741 01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:55.479 sort of quite explicit about that and not even really 1742 01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:58.600 leading room for interpretation or whatnot. 1743 01:46:58.600 --> 01:46:59.680 So that's kind of how I. 1744 01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:01.920 Well, I think there is a there is a rise 1745 01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:05.479 in the resurgence of like neopagan movements, and you know, 1746 01:47:05.560 --> 01:47:10.359 the European Right, the European you know, dissident right, the 1747 01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:12.319 New Right, Like a lot of these movements might be 1748 01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:16.319 tempted with trying to, you know, claim that Jesus was 1749 01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:18.920 some sort of a you know, white European or they 1750 01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:22.840 might be delving into British Israelite stuff. But I mean, again, 1751 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:27.039 it's it's very minor numbers of people, don't I can't 1752 01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:31.960 imagine that really, I mean, I mean, the dominant

forms 1753 01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:37.079 of Protestant Catholic Christianity in Europe definitely wouldn't hold to that. 1754 01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:40.279 So it would have to be kind of minority movements. 1755 01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:44.399 Monitor what's up. Maybe there's like a reaction against black 1756 01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:46.640 Hebrew Israelites or something like that. I don't know what's up. 1757 01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:54.399 Monitor, Hey, I was just wondering if you'd ever run 1758 01:47:54.439 --> 01:47:58.319 across any evidence that the Peace Corps was like CIA 1759 01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:00.760 and filtrated because. 1760 01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:05.600 They're well, they have a supposed statement that if you 1761 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:07.640 go into the CIA, they will not hire you in 1762 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:09.520 the Peace Corps and you're not supposed to go from 1763 01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.239 the Peace Corps to the CIA, but that Andrew Bustamante 1764 01:48:12.279 --> 01:48:14.880 guy says, well, after I spent several years in the 1765 01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:18.239 Peace Corps, immediately went into the CIA. So obviously that 1766 01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:21.600 can be bypassed, even if on the vantage point part 1767 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:23.720 of the of the the Peace Corps they don't want 1768 01:48:23.720 --> 01:48:26.640 people from the CIA. I feel sure that at some 1769 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:30.039 point there have been I'm sure people in the CIA 1770 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:30.840 in the Peace Corps. 1771 01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:34.479 Yeah, I guess I was just wondering if you're aware 1772 01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:37.640 of any like sort of relatively well. 1773 01:48:37.399 --> 01:48:42.359 Known Well, and Andrew Bustamante is an example of a 1774 01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:44.439 person who was in the Peace Corps and then violated 1775 01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:46.680 the promise to not go into the CIA and it 1776 01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:48.000 directly went into the CIA after. 1777 01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:51.199 Yeah, I guess, I don't mean like just personnel, but 1778 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:55.079 like any known operations or so, Yeah. 1779 01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:58.880 I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised, but I mean 1780 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:01.199 I think red red Cross is another class that you know, 1781 01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:05.399 CIA covered to Okay, the USA, I d was used 1782 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:08.079 as well for many years. 1783 01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:09.880 Because I read that too, that it was supposed to 1784 01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:12.800 be like you know, streamed to not have people in 1785 01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:14.960 the CIA, and I know, I think it was created 1786 01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:18.479 by JFK. It was like very anti CIA, obviously so, 1787 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:21.119 but but it seemed like like, you know, they're sending 1788 01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:23.560 a bunch of Americans to foreign countries under the guys. 1789 01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:26.720 Yeah, I'm not sure actually by that JFK was actually 1790 01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:29.600 anti CA, because if you read quickly, he has a 1791 01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:33.000 whole section where he talks about that during that time, 1792 01:49:33.199 --> 01:49:37.399 what they started doing was trying to It was actually 1793 01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:39.520 under JFK that they started trying to do a lot 1794 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:43.319 of these CIA things under the cover of NGO's think 1795 01:49:43.399 --> 01:49:48.239 tanks and foundations, So that actually began not under Reagan, 1796 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:50.800 but under JFK. It really ramped up under Reagan though. 1797 01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:56.159 Okay, and then there's another random, unrelated question. I've never 1798 01:49:56.239 --> 01:49:58.920 heard you talk about like the Shroud, but I'm wondering 1799 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:00.119 what you're given. 1800 01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:00.720 A on that. 1801 01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:04.720 I've never found it very convincing. I don't care. If 1802 01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:06.479 you want to believe in the Shrowd, that's up to you. 1803 01:50:06.520 --> 01:50:10.319 I've been to the Shroud. You know, Orthodox people are 1804 01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:11.319 free to believe in it. 1805 01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:17.199 Why don't you find it convincing to me? 1806 01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:20.760 It's just an odd line of argument, like like that's like, 1807 01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:23.279 first of all, I don't understand what it would I mean, 1808 01:50:23.279 --> 01:50:25.880 I believe in relics, but I don't understand what this 1809 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:30.920 would prove that a baron or duke in the eleven 1810 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:36.000 hundreds found a cloth and there's a bearded dude, And 1811 01:50:36.039 --> 01:50:38.760 I mean, it's just to me, it's a very it's 1812 01:50:38.760 --> 01:50:44.359 a whole bunch of leaps of non sequiturs and it's 1813 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:46.079 just a It's just to me, it's just a silly 1814 01:50:46.119 --> 01:50:51.319 line of like evidentials argumentation, like if I'm gonna believe Christianity, 1815 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:54.479 it's not gonna be because of some French duke of 1816 01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:56.680 the eleven hundreds claiming that he found a cloth. To me, 1817 01:50:56.720 --> 01:51:04.560 it just seems like a really an odd line of 1818 01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:08.920 argumentation that we're like to get to. Well, that bearded 1819 01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:11.199 has got to be Jesus, And I mean, I just 1820 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:17.000 to me, I don't get it. You know, what's what 1821 01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:22.000 does Jesus say? Uh? Unbelieving generations seeks these kinds of 1822 01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:29.600 signs and wonders like what's up, man, m what's up? Jay? 1823 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:34.159 I was watching your video on my

journey to Orthodoxy. 1824 01:51:34.720 --> 01:51:38.439 I found it pretty fascinating. I'm only twenty and I'm 1825 01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:39.199 I'm kind of. 1826 01:51:39.159 --> 01:51:40.399 On the same track right now. 1827 01:51:40.439 --> 01:51:43.119 But I've been reading a lot. 1828 01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.439 Of Cobbalistic works, and I know that you read those 1829 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:49.680 as well before your journey to Orthodoxy, and I was 1830 01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:53.000 just wondering what caused you to you know, straight away 1831 01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:53.359 from that. 1832 01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:57.479 I didn't find combolism to be very enlightening because, as 1833 01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:03.319 Sholam says, it's kind of repurposed in retooled gnosticism and neoplatonism. 1834 01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:05.479 So if you were going to go that route, you 1835 01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:09.479 might as well just adopt neoplatonism. But neoplatonism just ends 1836 01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:14.399 up being like perennialism, and you know, maybe like uh, 1837 01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:19.840 you know, Gannon or shoe On and all the traditionalists school. 1838 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:22.439 So I did I mean, at the end of the day, 1839 01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:24.600 and I read a bunch of the traditionalists, like if 1840 01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:28.520 I'm reading Julia s Evla and he's basically just promoting like, 1841 01:52:28.640 --> 01:52:31.479 you know, butt stuff, It's like, what was the point 1842 01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:33.720 of all of this? Like, so it seems like everything 1843 01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:34.680 ends in butt stuff? 1844 01:52:34.760 --> 01:52:40.279 So, uh, you don't think that like there's any decodification 1845 01:52:40.680 --> 01:52:47.520 of some things in the Bible through Cobbola. No, Okay, 1846 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:50.119 all right, Well that's really all I wanted to ask 1847 01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:52.359 because I just didn't see why you left. 1848 01:52:52.199 --> 01:52:57.920 In the video, but I mean the the type of 1849 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:01.359 typology that some Cobbalists do, who just ends up being 1850 01:53:01.640 --> 01:53:04.439 kind of the typology that the Church fathers do, but 1851 01:53:04.479 --> 01:53:08.199 then it kind of goes crazy. It points to like origins, 1852 01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:13.960 you know, over over typicization of everything. So yeah, Cabala 1853 01:53:14.039 --> 01:53:29.920 is faking. Kay Spider, what's up? Yeah, what's on your mind? 1854 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:33.960 First of all, I just want to say thanks for 1855 01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:38.520 bringing me closer to worthodoxy, and I appreciate what you're 1856 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:39.520 doing with your content. 1857 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:41.680 I wanted to ask. 1858 01:53:42.039 --> 01:53:43.960 I've kind of been like looking into. 1859 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:48.359 Israel and what it's been doing more recently, and I've 1860 01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:50.720 been looking in the history of it too, and I 1861 01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:55.520 know that there were operations running parallel with like the 1862 01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:58.800 LA and contrast with the CIA and massade they were 1863 01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:02.600 doing or low operations. But I was wondering if you 1864 01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:05.560 think there's like some type of deeper link and that 1865 01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:08.600 maybe they use that to help fund their defense force 1866 01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:13.600 because it grew a lot during that same time, so 1867 01:54:13.680 --> 01:54:14.239 it seems like. 1868 01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:14.800 There's a link. 1869 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:20.600 Did Israel receive cover funding from Iran contra is what 1870 01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:21.079 you're saying? 1871 01:54:22.880 --> 01:54:25.640 Yeah, but also maybe from the CIA in order to 1872 01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:29.239 help them grow their defense force at the time. 1873 01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:33.680 I would assume that probably, but I don't remember off 1874 01:54:33.680 --> 01:54:36.960 the top of my head. I mean Victor Ostrowski might 1875 01:54:37.359 --> 01:54:42.760 mention Iran contra. I can't remember, but I mean you 1876 01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:45.720 could argue that big. I mean, we give Israel all 1877 01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:48.680 kinds of money, so I would imagine probably, but I 1878 01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:53.399 don't off the top of my head, I'm not sure. Okay, Tyodora, 1879 01:54:53.399 --> 01:55:02.640 what's up, man? Yeah, people don't use I'm trying to remember. 1880 01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:06.800 Let's see, I was reading something recently that mentioned Iran contra. 1881 01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:13.359 It wasn't Max Blumandal. I don't think it was Victor Ostrowski, 1882 01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:18.800 it wasn't Whitney Webb. Looking at my books up there, 1883 01:55:18.840 --> 01:55:23.119 I don't remember what it was, but I'm sure it 1884 01:55:23.239 --> 01:55:26.079 is real benefited somehow. What's up, man, Teodor, I'm you. 1885 01:55:28.439 --> 01:55:31.159 Richard Grove probably would have a good source on that. 1886 01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:33.800 He knows a lot about that stuff. Theodore, what's up, 1887 01:55:33.800 --> 01:55:42.640 I'm you. I just don't understand the waiting in line 1888 01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:45.520 to not talks really weird. 1889 01:55:46.119 --> 01:55:47.960 Do we have any more people waiting line that don't 1890 01:55:47.960 --> 01:55:48.439 want to talk. 1891 01:55:49.439 --> 01:55:51.640 I'm only taking people that will not talk rest in 1892 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:55.920 the shade. What's up man? By the way, you guys 1893 01:55:55.960 --> 01:55:59.159 like today's thumbnail, I always try to get crazy and 1894 01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:01.439 like fully skipped. So with the thumbnails, we got Mohammed 1895 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:04.640 a Job, who, by the way,

was found to be 1896 01:56:04.760 --> 01:56:10.039 lying in court. This cracked me up. He took Douglas 1897 01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:17.760 Murray to court and against the spectator and lost the 1898 01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:21.720 case because the judge found Muhammed a Job to be 1899 01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:27.439 a massive liar because for whatever reason, a Jab called 1900 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:32.119 everyone Hindu, Net and Yahoo, Tommy Robinson, Douglas Murray are 1901 01:56:32.119 --> 01:56:33.680 all Hindu. 1902 01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:38.479 It's even better, the judge universally ruled that not only 1903 01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:41.520 was Hajab a liar, but all is well. 1904 01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:44.239 The funniest part was that the judge. The judge said 1905 01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:47.760 he found it annoying that Muhammed a Job sat in 1906 01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:50.640 the back and just ate donuts. I'm not joking, this 1907 01:56:50.680 --> 01:56:55.760 is what the judge said, and uh licked the sugar 1908 01:56:55.840 --> 01:57:00.359 from his fingers. I'm not joking. One of the art that, 1909 01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:02.319 like one of the articles actually has that in there. 1910 01:57:02.359 --> 01:57:06.520 I'm trying to find if it was in here. Creepy, 1911 01:57:06.640 --> 01:57:09.600 So he just back basically sat in the courtroom eating donuts, 1912 01:57:09.640 --> 01:57:12.239 and the judge found this to be a very odd 1913 01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:15.279 line of defense. And somebody, I don't know if there 1914 01:57:15.319 --> 01:57:17.720 is true, but somebody said that now he's trying to 1915 01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:22.399 do an MMA event to raise money to pay the bill. 1916 01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:26.359 I'm not joking. No to pay he owes like six 1917 01:57:26.399 --> 01:57:28.720 hundred pounds, six hundred thousand pounds. 1918 01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:35.880 It sounds like he has just uttered disregard for the 1919 01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:37.800 situation that he was in and he didn't even believe 1920 01:57:37.800 --> 01:57:39.279 anything was gonna happen. 1921 01:57:39.399 --> 01:57:42.079 Or it's really weird. I don't, I don't, I don't 1922 01:57:42.119 --> 01:57:46.760 really understand. I mean, I don't know what's going on. 1923 01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:48.880 It's just weird, Like what was he thinking? 1924 01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:55.680 Eating a donut sounds like chewing gum or whistling or 1925 01:57:55.680 --> 01:57:56.319 something like that. 1926 01:57:56.359 --> 01:57:57.520 But to the end degree. 1927 01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:00.640 But this bit about raising money to pay legal fees 1928 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:06.039 with some phony MMA event, I think he needs friends 1929 01:58:06.079 --> 01:58:07.039 to help him do that. 1930 01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:08.800 So, you know, and a lot of people were asking 1931 01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:11.920 how many donuts did he actually eat? We want to 1932 01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:16.640 know the number of donuts that Muhammad jab was chomping 1933 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:24.000 on and did he actually lick his fingers? Okay, what's 1934 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:24.720 on your line? Man? 1935 01:58:26.199 --> 01:58:32.439 I wanted to ask you about the apostolic succession, and 1936 01:58:32.520 --> 01:58:36.000 I wanted to know, how do you know that it's 1937 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:41.199 a reliable way of conveying the true teaching, so to speak? 1938 01:58:41.680 --> 01:58:45.800 How do we know that the Apostles that generation and 1939 01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:50.600 then the succeeding generations. How do we know that essentially 1940 01:58:50.600 --> 01:58:54.399 what they passed on to the following generations is what 1941 01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:58.880 Jesus or the Apostles or the next generation after them taught. 1942 01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:03.439 Well, I think we would cross reference it with scripture 1943 01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:06.760 and divine revelation, which promised that the Holy Spirit would 1944 01:59:06.760 --> 01:59:08.600 be with the church to lead into guide it, and 1945 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:10.680 that he would never leave us or forsake us, and 1946 01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:13.279 that he would quote guide us into all truths. And 1947 01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:16.720 also Paul's epistles that that's what Paul himself, when he 1948 01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:20.199 talks to Timothy, says should be the mode of transmission. 1949 01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:23.680 So he tells Timothy to lay hands on others after him, 1950 01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:26.039 just like Paul laid hands on Timothy. So I think 1951 01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:30.520 there is a faith commitment involved in trusting that what 1952 01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:33.640 we see in divine Scripture was passed down. But also 1953 01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:36.319 we can go read the first second third century Church 1954 01:59:36.439 --> 01:59:38.880 fathers and see that they did in fact teach what 1955 01:59:38.920 --> 01:59:44.960 Scripture teaches and they did teach a universally consistent doctrine. 1956 01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:52.239 Okay, but it's there's probably like some deviation between what 1957 01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:54.000 was taught and what was captured. 1958 01:59:54.199 --> 01:59:55.279 And so I'll think about. 1959 01:59:55.039 --> 01:59:57.159 It, right, Well, how do you know that, Like, why 1960 01:59:57.199 --> 02:00:00.600 can't God providentially I mean, we trust God to evidentially 1961 02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:03.159 guide and keep and maintain the tradition. 1962 02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:07.800 Well, it's certainly possible. I mean, I'm not saying one 1963 02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:11.039 way or the other happened. But if you have people 1964 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:17.079 acting with free agency, with this sudden new, hugely different religion, 1965 02:00:17.399 --> 02:00:18.840 that just put religion on its. 1966 02:00:18.680 --> 02:00:20.720 Head, why is it

hugely different? 1967 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:21.039 It's not. 1968 02:00:21.079 --> 02:00:22.399 First of all, it's not hugely different. 1969 02:00:22.439 --> 02:00:25.640 What do you mean, love that enemies and pray for. 1970 02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:29.319 Those who just that's in Leviticus. So that's not hugely different. 1971 02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:30.560 Okay. 1972 02:00:30.600 --> 02:00:35.479 Well, sure, when it comes to Judea compared to the 1973 02:00:35.479 --> 02:00:37.319 rest of the world, it wasn't hugely different. 1974 02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:41.039 But the rest of the world's let's call the. 1975 02:00:40.960 --> 02:00:45.840 World pagan or non religion. This is Christianity's foolishness. I mean, 1976 02:00:45.880 --> 02:00:47.560 even today, if you go to some areas of the 1977 02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:50.039 world which are even modernly developed, and you talk about 1978 02:00:50.039 --> 02:00:52.439 these kind of concepts that'll look you like you're foolish. 1979 02:00:53.439 --> 02:00:55.680 Yeah, Paul says, the wisdom of the world is foolishness, 1980 02:00:55.680 --> 02:00:57.960 and they see they see Christianity as foolishness. 1981 02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:01.720 Sure, so then you have this group of people mixing 1982 02:01:01.760 --> 02:01:06.000 with who are not foolish, mixing with this world. Let's 1983 02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:08.399 say the world is Christians mixing with the world and 1984 02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:10.039 trying to teach them and bring them and make them 1985 02:01:10.079 --> 02:01:13.039 teachers and reproducers and so on so forth. 1986 02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:15.600 Well, you say mixing with the world, what do you 1987 02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:16.760 mean mixing with the world. 1988 02:01:17.560 --> 02:01:19.079 I mean, if Jay Dyer we're going to go to 1989 02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:23.319 China or that's probably maybe it's a good example, I 1990 02:01:23.319 --> 02:01:24.520 don't know. But if you're going to go into the 1991 02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:26.399 Amazon rainforest and meet Christians out of. 1992 02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:28.279 It, that I think you're not aware of the fact 1993 02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:31.760 that we can actually read many many people from the first, second, 1994 02:01:31.800 --> 02:01:34.079 and third century. Are you aware of this? 1995 02:01:35.560 --> 02:01:35.720 Well? 1996 02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:38.000 Sure, but how do you know what they're getting is reliable? 1997 02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:39.920 Is the point they could still be wrong too? 1998 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:42.640 Is the idea you're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm 1999 02:01:42.640 --> 02:01:46.560 saying that they teach a unified doctrine throughout the Roman Empire, 2000 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:49.920 which corresponds with the teaching not just of the New 2001 02:01:49.960 --> 02:01:52.159 Testament and the Apostles in the written text from the 2002 02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:56.039 first century, but also with the

previous Hebrew revelation that 2003 02:01:56.199 --> 02:01:58.880 consistency shows a uniform doctrine. 2004 02:02:01.159 --> 02:02:04.640 So everyone in the first century a. D. Was teaching 2005 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:05.279 the same thing. 2006 02:02:06.399 --> 02:02:09.079 Again, do you not realize that we can actually read 2007 02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:09.640 those people? 2008 02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:12.800 Yeah, you're going to read them. 2009 02:02:12.840 --> 02:02:15.159 Okay, do you know any of these people? Are you 2010 02:02:15.199 --> 02:02:16.279 aware of any of these things? 2011 02:02:16.800 --> 02:02:17.000 Well? 2012 02:02:17.039 --> 02:02:19.439 How about when are you aware of any of these people? 2013 02:02:20.600 --> 02:02:23.640 How about when are you aware of any of these people? 2014 02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:25.399 Paul? 2015 02:02:25.920 --> 02:02:30.039 No, correct, after the Apostles the first second century Christians? 2016 02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:32.600 Are you aware of them? Have you read them? 2017 02:02:32.760 --> 02:02:32.960 Oh? 2018 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:34.960 You mean the so called the church fathers and. 2019 02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:35.239 So and so. 2020 02:02:35.359 --> 02:02:37.199 They're so called. You don't think they existed? 2021 02:02:39.359 --> 02:02:40.560 What do you mean, I don't think they existed? 2022 02:02:40.560 --> 02:02:41.840 They were said so called. 2023 02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:44.119 That's what they're called church fathers. 2024 02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:44.399 Yeah. 2025 02:02:44.439 --> 02:02:46.920 Well, usual when people say so called, it means that 2026 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:49.319 they doubt that title or their existence. 2027 02:02:50.560 --> 02:02:52.560 No, I'm not using it in a rhetorical sense or 2028 02:02:52.600 --> 02:02:53.600 an argumentative sense. 2029 02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:56.079 I'm using it just in the literal districts. 2030 02:02:56.079 --> 02:02:58.000 Okay, So if you can read those people and we 2031 02:02:58.079 --> 02:03:01.600 have old church fathers. Have you read those people? 2032 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:03.960 Very little? 2033 02:03:04.960 --> 02:03:07.119 So how do you know whether they do or don't 2034 02:03:07.159 --> 02:03:09.520 teach uniform consistent doctrine? 2035 02:03:10.319 --> 02:03:11.880 Well's UCBI is the church father. 2036 02:03:12.720 --> 02:03:13.840 He's a historical writer. 2037 02:03:17.960 --> 02:03:18.840 Is he a church father? 2038 02:03:19.039 --> 02:03:21.680 Well, he's a later church father than what I'm talking about. 2039 02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:23.560 He's a patristic historian and writer. 2040 02:03:26.319 --> 02:03:29.039 Okay, Well, if he is a church father, which I 2041 02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:32.479 think some people would say he is, I've read passages 2042 02:03:32.560 --> 02:03:32.880 in him. 2043 02:03:32.880 --> 02:03:35.640 It's actually quite relevant to the shroud discussion. 2044 02:03:35.279 --> 02:03:35.960 You're talking about. 2045 02:03:36.439 --> 02:03:37.199 I'm not talking about this. 2046 02:03:37.319 --> 02:03:39.880 This is on traditions, and he says these traditions are true. 2047 02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:43.880 And can you name a church father that's three hundreds? 2048 02:03:43.880 --> 02:03:45.880 Can you name a church father in the first, first, 2049 02:03:45.920 --> 02:03:47.000 second century. 2050 02:03:46.640 --> 02:03:48.520 That you're going to demonstrate to you why. 2051 02:03:48.439 --> 02:03:53.960 You're demonstrating nothing but ignorance, because I Usebius is way late. 2052 02:03:54.079 --> 02:03:58.119 I'm talking about a first or can you that's way late? 2053 02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:01.319 He's not first or second century, he's three hundreds. I'm 2054 02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:03.640 talking about first and second century. Can you name one 2055 02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:07.640 that you've read that shows an inconsistency? 2056 02:04:08.680 --> 02:04:11.800 I mean, is there inconsistency between uh. 2057 02:04:12.600 --> 02:04:16.199 The Apostolic fathers, the post Apostolic fathers. That's what I'm 2058 02:04:16.199 --> 02:04:16.760 talking about. 2059 02:04:17.199 --> 02:04:19.399 You know, pieces you pick up over the. 2060 02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:21.239 Okay, well, name a bit of the name, a bit 2061 02:04:21.319 --> 02:04:22.560 or a piece that's inconsistent. 2062 02:04:25.159 --> 02:04:26.159 Why do I need to do that? 2063 02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:30.479 Because this is your argument? What do you mean? No, 2064 02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:32.520 it's not now you're. 2065 02:04:32.359 --> 02:04:36.520 Being argument is even that the Apostles themselves got doctrine 2066 02:04:36.560 --> 02:04:37.920 wrong and had to be corrected. 2067 02:04:38.159 --> 02:04:39.680 So how on earth that's not. 2068 02:04:39.560 --> 02:04:43.560 What you argue. That's not what you argued. You argue exactly, no, 2069 02:04:43.680 --> 02:04:45.680 it isn't you qualified your argument. 2070 02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:48.960 You qualified your argument. That's not what you are arguing 2071 02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:52.720 up until now. Now you're now your life that you're 2072 02:04:52.840 --> 02:04:56.159 qualifying your argument now to be about the Apostles and 2073 02:04:56.159 --> 02:04:58.039 not what the first and second century church. 2074 02:04:57.880 --> 02:05:00.840 Fathers taught succession. 2075 02:05:01.119 --> 02:05:03.359 You're trying to make it about what the church fathers 2076 02:05:03.359 --> 02:05:04.720 say so you can say that I'm ignorant. 2077 02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:09.960 That's part of Apostolic succession. Shut up and let me explain. 2078 02:05:09.560 --> 02:05:13.199 What I'm saying, because you're you're changing your argument. 2079 02:05:14.079 --> 02:05:16.600 My argument is the saying that Apostolic session is. 2080 02:05:16.640 --> 02:05:20.399 Unreliable, and I'm showing you that it's not unreliable because 2081 02:05:20.439 -->

02:05:24.439 the shut up the successors to the the successors to 2082 02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:27.520 the Apostles, shut up. 2083 02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:31.319 Okay, you're done. That's not true. I'm showing you that 2084 02:05:31.359 --> 02:05:36.399 it's false because the successors to the Apostles, the successors 2085 02:05:36.439 --> 02:05:40.640 to the Apostles taught the successors to the Apostles called 2086 02:05:40.680 --> 02:05:42.760 the Apostolic fathers, taught shut. 2087 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:43.560 Up, you. 2088 02:05:45.279 --> 02:05:46.039 Stop talking. 2089 02:05:46.600 --> 02:05:49.439 They taught a uniform doctrine. All right, he's not gonna 2090 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:51.920 he won't be He won't answer the questions because he 2091 02:05:51.960 --> 02:05:54.800 has to talk over otherwise and change his arguments. So 2092 02:05:54.880 --> 02:05:56.399 this is why it's a waste of time. 2093 02:05:57.239 --> 02:05:58.520 Do you know what it reminds me of. 2094 02:05:59.720 --> 02:06:03.680 It's like, okay, suppose this. 2095 02:06:04.399 --> 02:06:08.359 I suppose the analogy is, do you want to learn something? 2096 02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:14.199 And we have a kind of normative means secular speaking, 2097 02:06:15.079 --> 02:06:21.680 and that's let's say the university, high school, college, et cetera. 2098 02:06:25.279 --> 02:06:29.079 What is so suppose that in some ways analogous to 2099 02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:33.359 apostolic session, And that really does even though let's say 2100 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:37.479 there's imperfect things within the college system in high school, 2101 02:06:38.319 --> 02:06:43.640 it provides a means to no thinks And what's the 2102 02:06:43.680 --> 02:06:47.760 opposite position, Well, we shouldn't have any instructors at all. 2103 02:06:47.960 --> 02:06:49.520 Everybody show should just be able. 2104 02:06:49.359 --> 02:06:51.800 To have the Internet and do everything they want, and 2105 02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:56.199 we'll send out heart surgeons who basically educate themselves on 2106 02:06:56.279 --> 02:06:56.920 the Internet. 2107 02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:01.399 I feel like this is somewhat applicable. 2108 02:07:01.720 --> 02:07:04.880 First of all, apostalk secession is a historical is a 2109 02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:10.880 historic reality and biblical, as you pointed out, correct, and 2110 02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:12.960 it does preserve I mean. 2111 02:07:13.039 --> 02:07:14.479 What's the antithesis of it? 2112 02:07:15.520 --> 02:07:19.039 Every man for himself, right, So you're saying epistemically, that's 2113 02:07:19.039 --> 02:07:19.800 a better way. 2114 02:07:21.640 --> 02:07:23.520 I actually think he was going in the direction of 2115 02:07:23.600 --> 02:07:26.359 like a higher critical point. He was going to try 2116 02:07:26.399 --> 02:07:28.920 to argue that he said he towards the end there 2117 02:07:28.960 --> 02:07:32.159 he was saying, no, the Apostles actually contradicted themselves. The 2118 02:07:32.199 --> 02:07:35.319 original question was, how do we know Apostolic succession is 2119 02:07:35.359 --> 02:07:38.079 a good way to pass down tradition. That's why we 2120 02:07:38.119 --> 02:07:40.399 go to the first and second century church fathers called 2121 02:07:40.399 --> 02:07:43.520 the post Apostolic fathers. That's not Eusebius. Eusebius is not 2122 02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:48.560 a post Apostolic father. Post Apostolic fathers is ignacious Clement 2123 02:07:51.399 --> 02:07:55.720 early Church fathers, and they're after the Apostles. And that's 2124 02:07:55.760 --> 02:07:58.560 why I'm saying that if we see them throughout the 2125 02:07:58.640 --> 02:08:02.880 Roman empire taching a consistent doctrine, that's a good indicator, 2126 02:08:03.159 --> 02:08:08.159 a good evidence that they did accurately transmit the Apostolic 2127 02:08:08.279 --> 02:08:12.079 deposit And then he said, no, no, I'm arguing that the 2128 02:08:12.119 --> 02:08:16.239 Apostles contradicted themselves. And so he added that on once 2129 02:08:16.279 --> 02:08:17.880 he saw that we were going to the second and 2130 02:08:17.960 --> 02:08:20.039 third century church fathers prior. 2131 02:08:19.760 --> 02:08:24.760 To wouldn't you have to know what the true doctrine is. 2132 02:08:25.239 --> 02:08:26.279 To say that it's false? 2133 02:08:27.039 --> 02:08:27.359 Yes? 2134 02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:30.760 Yeah, And that's why when I started asking him to 2135 02:08:30.880 --> 02:08:33.520 name a church father that was a post episode father 2136 02:08:33.560 --> 02:08:36.199 that he read, he couldn't name one. So again, Bro, 2137 02:08:36.479 --> 02:08:38.760 your lawyer tactics are not going to work on me. 2138 02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:45.199 That's not going to work here, Mars. What's up in Seah? 2139 02:08:45.199 --> 02:08:46.880 A lot of people do, a lot of people think 2140 02:08:46.920 --> 02:08:50.800 that being a lawyer somehow translates into like debating. It doesn't. 2141 02:08:51.680 --> 02:08:53.239 It may, but not necessarily. 2142 02:09:02.079 --> 02:09:02.680 What's up, Jay? 2143 02:09:03.239 --> 02:09:03.600 What's up? 2144 02:09:04.800 --> 02:09:05.159 All right? 2145 02:09:05.239 --> 02:09:08.119 So a couple of the Orthobos got together. 2146 02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:08.600 We had a meeting. 2147 02:09:09.079 --> 02:09:12.000 You gotta stop telling people to come smash you hard online. 2148 02:09:12.039 --> 02:09:13.720 Bro, It's just it's overall. 2149 02:09:14.279 --> 02:09:16.600 It's listen, it's hot, but it's not a good look. 2150 02:09:16.680 --> 02:09:18.520 Overall. I just gotta tell you that. 2151 02:09:21.479 --> 02:09:23.319 I will repent of my gainness right now. 2152 02:09:25.560 --> 02:09:27.279 There you have it, boys, Thanks. 2153 02:09:27.840 --> 02:09:32.960 Yeah, he just smashed me online right there. Anthony was up. 2154 02:09:38.520 --> 02:09:42.479 I should have debated him in my

Joja lawyer accent. 2155 02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:45.840 You see here, your honor, this man is not a 2156 02:09:45.920 --> 02:09:51.479 well of inn of the post Aple Stolics hoods falls. 2157 02:09:52.079 --> 02:09:55.560 I do concur but and I do declare that this 2158 02:09:55.680 --> 02:09:59.880 man is in guilt of pudsury hell in the ca 2159 02:10:00.479 --> 02:10:01.960 y'all allsta. 2160 02:10:01.479 --> 02:10:12.239 What's up man, Anthony? What's up? Anthony? You're another one 2161 02:10:12.239 --> 02:10:15.439 of these people. I just don't understand the logic of 2162 02:10:15.479 --> 02:10:30.760 waiting to not talk Charles. What's up? Charles calling me 2163 02:10:30.760 --> 02:10:33.840 from his from his shower, fresh from the shower, what's up? 2164 02:10:35.760 --> 02:10:35.920 Well? 2165 02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:37.600 Yeah, I gotta get out of the labor here. 2166 02:10:38.279 --> 02:10:41.560 Hey, I was away a couple of minutes after the 2167 02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:45.840 local church guy called. So I don't know if someone 2168 02:10:46.159 --> 02:10:50.479 mentioned this, but I've been a Christian for forty five years, 2169 02:10:50.520 --> 02:10:55.159 and back in the day I knew of witness in 2170 02:10:55.239 --> 02:10:57.680 the local church through also reading. 2171 02:11:00.319 --> 02:11:01.840 Back to my Calviy Chapel. 2172 02:11:01.600 --> 02:11:06.199 Days, which, by the way, Chuck Smith did want anything 2173 02:11:06.239 --> 02:11:10.199 to do with Watchmanny. After a book came out called 2174 02:11:10.319 --> 02:11:14.279 Understanding Watchman Ny, which was a critique of a lot 2175 02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:15.159 of these kind. 2176 02:11:14.960 --> 02:11:16.760 Of weird views. 2177 02:11:17.479 --> 02:11:20.560 But anyway, a book came out exposing witness Lee in 2178 02:11:20.600 --> 02:11:24.840 the local church called The God Men. This is over 2179 02:11:24.920 --> 02:11:27.520 forty five years this about forty five years ago. And 2180 02:11:28.359 --> 02:11:30.800 what the author of that book found out quickly is 2181 02:11:30.840 --> 02:11:39.319 that the local church zealously sues anybody that critiques them publicly. 2182 02:11:39.720 --> 02:11:39.880 Yeah. 2183 02:11:39.960 --> 02:11:42.479 I think we just referenced that in the Wikipedia article 2184 02:11:42.560 --> 02:11:44.119 that there was a lawsuit about that. 2185 02:11:45.000 --> 02:11:49.520 Okay, Yeah, like I said, I was away, So yeah, I. 2186 02:11:49.479 --> 02:11:51.159 Didn't know if you knew that. 2187 02:11:51.159 --> 02:11:52.800 That's kind of no. 2188 02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:56.520 But I mean that sounds again really sus not surprised. 2189 02:11:56.560 --> 02:12:00.119 But yeah, a lot of these cultic groups like that 2190 02:12:00.119 --> 02:12:05.079 are pretty I think, you know, scientology is very litigious, Jim, 2191 02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:12.119 what's up man? Yeah? No, Ucbus is not a saint. 2192 02:12:12.359 --> 02:12:15.720 We consider him

a patristic writer because he was not 2193 02:12:15.960 --> 02:12:20.199 fully Orthodox, and he was writing in the three hundreds, 2194 02:12:20.960 --> 02:12:23.119 not in the first and second century. What's up man? 2195 02:12:28.079 --> 02:12:29.880 Hey? Hey, you doing Jay good? 2196 02:12:29.920 --> 02:12:30.359 What's up? 2197 02:12:31.720 --> 02:12:31.960 Yeah? 2198 02:12:32.039 --> 02:12:35.199 Listen to your tag explanation videos and they're a very 2199 02:12:35.199 --> 02:12:38.600 good listen. Calling in because I believe that you might 2200 02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:41.760 have missed an important concept that I think ties in 2201 02:12:41.800 --> 02:12:44.119 all the logic together in it? Okay, And it's like 2202 02:12:44.199 --> 02:12:49.760 the concept of zero or nothing? Is that something that 2203 02:12:49.800 --> 02:12:53.680 you have thought about or considered in the tag argument? 2204 02:12:55.520 --> 02:12:56.000 Enlighten me? 2205 02:12:58.239 --> 02:13:02.680 So how I understand if I'm wrong for the tag argument? Uh, 2206 02:13:02.840 --> 02:13:07.479 there's three foundational concepts and they are what is the 2207 02:13:07.479 --> 02:13:12.199 most necessary presupposition to everything? Because they all presuppose each other? 2208 02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:15.840 Is that correct? 2209 02:13:17.000 --> 02:13:18.439 Maybe? I don't know. 2210 02:13:19.239 --> 02:13:25.600 Okay, So, like I guess how I see the three concepts? 2211 02:13:25.600 --> 02:13:27.680 And Tag, what do you mean by the three concepts? 2212 02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:30.239 Well, when you're talking about like the Father, the Son, 2213 02:13:30.279 --> 02:13:33.039 and the Holy Spirit, right, Tag, you're saying you have 2214 02:13:33.119 --> 02:13:35.720 these three things that are inevitable. 2215 02:13:36.359 --> 02:13:38.640 Okay, I don't so this is not really the line 2216 02:13:38.640 --> 02:13:39.079 of argument. 2217 02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:41.920 I go, now, okay, maybe could you explain then? 2218 02:13:42.119 --> 02:13:46.159 Well, just get to what's your argument about the zero stuff? Oh? 2219 02:13:46.239 --> 02:13:50.680 Yeah, so nothing. So, So, if you're trying to like 2220 02:13:51.439 --> 02:13:55.680 talk about logic and prove everything, you would necessarily have 2221 02:13:55.760 --> 02:13:58.920 to have a starting point, right, You would necessarily need 2222 02:13:58.960 --> 02:14:03.199 to have an ability to distinguish between that starting point 2223 02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:06.039 and something else, And then you need the ability to 2224 02:14:06.199 --> 02:14:12.000 relate the topics together. And so that's kind of how 2225 02:14:12.039 --> 02:14:16.640 I understood the tag argument from watching your videos. But 2226 02:14:16.680 --> 02:14:18.520 maybe I maybe I'm off. 2227 02:14:18.800 --> 02:14:21.960 Why did you say zero is nothing? You know, zero 2228 02:14:22.079 --> 02:14:28.319 is actual something on a number line? Oh? Yes? Would

2229 02:14:28.359 --> 02:14:30.800 you explain some more just and mean? I got a 2230 02:14:30.840 --> 02:14:35.600 head out. Oh that's fine a pismology class. But so 2231 02:14:35.640 --> 02:14:38.520 are you Did you say there's a connection between zero 2232 02:14:38.560 --> 02:14:40.680 and nothing or well? 2233 02:14:40.680 --> 02:14:42.960 I think it's more like concepts, right, and that the 2234 02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:45.880 it's not necessarily that they're that they're numbers, but they 2235 02:14:45.880 --> 02:14:50.359 could be thought of his numbers. Maybe like all these 2236 02:14:50.399 --> 02:14:54.680 things would presuppose numbers because they're supposed to be transcendentals. 2237 02:14:54.760 --> 02:15:03.960 Right. I just don't say why tag necessitates nothing, that 2238 02:15:04.119 --> 02:15:06.840 the concept of nothing or or numbers. 2239 02:15:06.479 --> 02:15:11.520 Even Okay, yeah, so I guess maybe it's it. 2240 02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:15.119 Might take even if there were no numbers. 2241 02:15:15.000 --> 02:15:18.199 Right right, Yeah, I understand, at least I believe I 2242 02:15:18.319 --> 02:15:22.119 understand the tag would presuppose it would come before math, right, 2243 02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:26.439 it come before numbers. What I got from watching your 2244 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:31.479 videos was that you kind of get down to three concepts. 2245 02:15:31.560 --> 02:15:34.000 I think I might have had a screenshot or something 2246 02:15:34.039 --> 02:15:37.000 of what those we may I just never. 2247 02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:40.880 I don't recall ever referring to the triad as three concepts. 2248 02:15:41.039 --> 02:15:41.880 Yeah, it's not three. 2249 02:15:42.279 --> 02:15:43.800 Well, how would you refer to the then? 2250 02:15:44.520 --> 02:15:47.399 I mean, the ultimate reality is three persons, father, son, 2251 02:15:47.439 --> 02:15:51.199 and Holy Spirit. And that's more of a like I'm 2252 02:15:51.239 --> 02:15:54.960 saying that that's metaphysical absolute reality. So it's much more 2253 02:15:55.000 --> 02:15:57.079 than just some sort of conceptual framework. 2254 02:15:58.199 --> 02:16:01.039 Oh yeah, sorry, I don't mean it. Maybe concept's not 2255 02:16:01.119 --> 02:16:02.840 a great word. It's like a charged word or not 2256 02:16:02.880 --> 02:16:05.720 a great word, but it's it's like I guess how 2257 02:16:05.760 --> 02:16:11.159 Plato describes, like his realm of forms is more real 2258 02:16:11.199 --> 02:16:13.760 than reality, right, like the fathers and the Holy Spirit 2259 02:16:13.880 --> 02:16:16.479 mm hm, as a concept would be more real than 2260 02:16:16.680 --> 02:16:19.000 things that we would see because we're limited by our perceptions. 2261 02:16:19.239 --> 02:16:22.920 Yeah, but they're not abstract ideas, nor are they identical 2262 02:16:22.960 --> 02:16:27.079 to Plato's ideas because they're actual, so, you know, interpersonal 2263 02:16:27.560 --> 02:16:29.119 beings or

persons. 2264 02:16:30.279 --> 02:16:32.079 Okay, No, I totally I'm on board with that. 2265 02:16:32.079 --> 02:16:32.840 I agree with that. 2266 02:16:34.000 --> 02:16:35.680 Maybe I just don't have a better word than a 2267 02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:37.639 concept to describe what I'm talking about. 2268 02:16:37.719 --> 02:16:40.920 So Peel, so are you maybe going in the direction 2269 02:16:41.000 --> 02:16:47.680 of arguing that maybe it's fundamentally essential to reasoning to have. 2270 02:16:50.159 --> 02:16:53.360 For example, when Aristotle lists the categories, you know, I 2271 02:16:53.360 --> 02:17:00.360 think he puts like differentiation, like like identification, differentiation, and like, 2272 02:17:00.360 --> 02:17:04.520 aren't these fundamental categories and relation or categories that are 2273 02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:09.559 necessary to have being or to have ontology and by extension, 2274 02:17:09.559 --> 02:17:11.680 to have knowledge. Is that with the line of argument 2275 02:17:11.719 --> 02:17:12.159 you're using. 2276 02:17:13.000 --> 02:17:15.159 Yeah, I think so. Actually, maybe I'm not as familiar 2277 02:17:15.239 --> 02:17:16.360 with the Aristotle part. 2278 02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:17.600 That'd be interesting for. 2279 02:17:17.559 --> 02:17:19.079 Me to listen to, but yeah, I think that is 2280 02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:22.840 what I'm going down, the augmentation of I was trying 2281 02:17:22.879 --> 02:17:23.040 to do. 2282 02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:24.360 I guess. 2283 02:17:24.399 --> 02:17:29.159 So for example, quantity is one of the categories, and 2284 02:17:29.360 --> 02:17:32.319 I would say, yeah, like, in order to have knowledge, 2285 02:17:32.319 --> 02:17:41.239 you got to have some of these fundamental categories substance, quantity, quality, relation, place, time, position, state, action, affection. 2286 02:17:41.799 --> 02:17:44.719 Those are the categories listed by Aristotle. And what Kant 2287 02:17:44.760 --> 02:17:48.000 does is kind of tries to remove these from metaphysics 2288 02:17:48.000 --> 02:17:51.760 and make them more of a mental conceptual scheme that 2289 02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:57.040 they're necessary for predication. I'm not a quantient, but I 2290 02:17:57.079 --> 02:17:59.079 think CONT's right that, like, if you're going to have 2291 02:17:59.200 --> 02:18:04.559 meaningful conversation and discourse and linguistic exchange and thus knowledge, 2292 02:18:04.920 --> 02:18:08.000 you kind of have to have these basic categories, and 2293 02:18:08.040 --> 02:18:17.200 one of those is quantity and relation, which could quantity 2294 02:18:17.239 --> 02:18:19.959 obviously relates to mathematics. 2295 02:18:22.000 --> 02:18:26.120 Yeah, quantity is necessary for mathematics for sure. I guess 2296 02:18:26.159 --> 02:18:28.319 I wasn't sure that I hadn't heard there were so 2297 02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:33.319 many different categories. I thought that based on listening to 2298 02:18:33.399

--> 02:18:35.959 Tag and based on kind of reasoning it out myself, 2299 02:18:36.040 --> 02:18:39.440 finally came down to three and kind of like a 2300 02:18:39.559 --> 02:18:41.760 hidden forth one almost, which is what I was kind 2301 02:18:41.760 --> 02:18:44.319 of getting at with the concept of nothing. 2302 02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:47.600 Well, what kind does is take these categories and then 2303 02:18:47.639 --> 02:18:52.319 tries to kind of make them again like necessary for 2304 02:18:52.399 --> 02:18:56.079 any conceptual schema or that basically all of our minds 2305 02:18:56.159 --> 02:18:59.520 kind of have these categories, and then the mind organizes 2306 02:19:00.639 --> 02:19:05.440 the data into this list of category here. So I 2307 02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:09.520 don't there's not like one absolute list of this. It's 2308 02:19:09.559 --> 02:19:12.319 just kind of philosophers and people trying to work through 2309 02:19:12.360 --> 02:19:20.360 it and figure it out. So it's interesting. 2310 02:19:20.879 --> 02:19:24.000 I guess I would say, maybe I'll just kind of 2311 02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:25.799 explain a little bit more about what I was thinking. 2312 02:19:25.879 --> 02:19:28.639 Like I was, I was thinking about like God, So 2313 02:19:28.680 --> 02:19:31.479 there's God, the Father, there's the Son, there's the Holy Spirit, right, 2314 02:19:32.079 --> 02:19:37.920 God the Father is it's basically like encompassing everything. The 2315 02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:41.360 Son is a distinct being from him, but it's also 2316 02:19:42.079 --> 02:19:46.000 connected back and the same as him, and the connection 2317 02:19:46.159 --> 02:19:48.479 is kind of like the Holy Spirit that we all 2318 02:19:48.920 --> 02:19:51.959 communicate back through and are connecting through. 2319 02:19:52.079 --> 02:19:53.079 Does that make sense? 2320 02:19:59.479 --> 02:20:00.479 M m hm. 2321 02:20:10.840 --> 02:20:15.440 Maybe. I mean, it's just maybe it's a little difficult 2322 02:20:15.760 --> 02:20:19.440 to because because a lot of times people might read 2323 02:20:19.479 --> 02:20:22.120 into some of these terms things that aren't necessarily But 2324 02:20:22.239 --> 02:20:24.319 I mean, you do have like when Saint Maximus the 2325 02:20:24.360 --> 02:20:30.280 Confessor writes about the first principle and then the logos 2326 02:20:30.280 --> 02:20:33.760 being born from the first principle, that it's like the 2327 02:20:33.959 --> 02:20:39.159 first of differentiation and the first of relations. So you 2328 02:20:39.280 --> 02:20:42.000 might if you read Saint Maximus read it in that way. 2329 02:20:43.200 --> 02:20:46.000 It's interesting he speaks kind of this way in the 2330 02:20:46.040 --> 02:20:50.040 ambiguo like ambigual one, and then there's some questions in 2331 02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:57.639 the questions and answers that goes along this line. I 2332 02:20:57.799 --> 02:21:02.280 just the problem is not whether or not it's true. 2333 02:21:02.319 --> 02:21:05.399 It's just that, like when Maximus makes these arguments, he 2334 02:21:05.559 --> 02:21:10.159 kind of argues, like everyone agrees that, well, we all 2335 02:21:10.239 --> 02:21:14.040 know that these are the these are obvious metaphysical principles, 2336 02:21:14.520 --> 02:21:16.920 and the problem is that when you get to modern philosophy, 2337 02:21:17.600 --> 02:21:19.799 philosophers are not going to grant that these are obvious 2338 02:21:19.840 --> 02:21:23.440 metaphysical principles the way that the ancients and the Medievals 2339 02:21:23.559 --> 02:21:25.920 understood them to just be so so. 2340 02:21:26.120 --> 02:21:28.120 Oh right, you had to prove them all for sure. 2341 02:21:28.479 --> 02:21:31.360 Yeah. 2342 02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:35.559 Anyway, Okay, I didn't want to take up too much time, 2343 02:21:35.639 --> 02:21:38.959 but I don't know. I thought this is interesting. Maybe 2344 02:21:38.959 --> 02:21:40.479 if there's some way to follow up with you on this, 2345 02:21:40.520 --> 02:21:42.680 because I think there's some things that would be interested 2346 02:21:42.719 --> 02:21:44.280 to read based on what you said, And maybe if 2347 02:21:44.280 --> 02:21:47.040 there's some way where I could chat with you more 2348 02:21:47.079 --> 02:21:48.920 about this kind of elaborate further. 2349 02:21:49.440 --> 02:21:51.399 I don't know. I mean, that's a tough question. Maybe 2350 02:21:51.440 --> 02:21:53.600 just come back next time we're doing an open open stream. 2351 02:21:53.639 --> 02:21:57.319 I appreciate it. Yeah, it's just it gets really harry 2352 02:21:57.319 --> 02:22:00.280 and abstract, Anthony. You want to try again. But I 2353 02:22:00.319 --> 02:22:02.639 appreciate the way you're thinking here. And I'm not saying 2354 02:22:02.639 --> 02:22:07.159 that Kant's version of the categories is identical too, it's 2355 02:22:07.159 --> 02:22:12.360 just very it's similar to Aristotles categories. What's up, man? 2356 02:22:13.719 --> 02:22:14.239 Can you hear me? 2357 02:22:14.280 --> 02:22:14.760 Now? Sure? 2358 02:22:15.799 --> 02:22:16.760 Awesome? Sorry about that. 2359 02:22:19.239 --> 02:22:20.559 You brought this up a while ago. 2360 02:22:20.760 --> 02:22:24.280 And I'm sorry if you covered already, but the did 2361 02:22:24.319 --> 02:22:26.600 Do you mind going quickly over the geopolitical angle of 2362 02:22:26.639 --> 02:22:29.040 these a too an apparition in your opinion. 2363 02:22:31.719 --> 02:22:33.680 I don't know that there. I mean, there could be one. 2364 02:22:33.719 --> 02:22:34.479 I don't know what it. 2365 02:22:34.440 --> 02:22:40.040 Is, gotcha, okay, yeah, I just you know, I was 2366 02:22:40.079 --> 02:22:43.239 looking into it more. I'm Coptic myself, and I noticed 2367 02:22:43.239 --> 02:22:47.399 that in the description they also outline. 2368 02:22:48.840 --> 02:22:51.000 Doves or glowing doves. 2369 02:22:51.760 --> 02:22:55.360 And I

know we have you know, that idea in 2370 02:22:55.399 --> 02:22:57.479 the Bible, but I realized it's more prominent in the 2371 02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:00.840 Core and I you know, the the the chapters of 2372 02:23:00.879 --> 02:23:03.399 the Corona are supposed to intercede as doves on the 2373 02:23:03.440 --> 02:23:06.440 day of judgment. Oh really, And I noticed, yeah, yeah, 2374 02:23:06.520 --> 02:23:10.000 so that's kind of what drew me into your angle 2375 02:23:10.040 --> 02:23:11.239 of you know, it could be just. 2376 02:23:11.639 --> 02:23:14.239 Some kind of well, I will say this that usually 2377 02:23:15.840 --> 02:23:20.280 it's it's appealed to in an ecumenist way. So for example, 2378 02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:24.879 we have Roman Catholics love this apparition. They don't care 2379 02:23:25.000 --> 02:23:29.239 that it's an Oriental Orthodox thing, and they'll just say, yeah, 2380 02:23:29.319 --> 02:23:32.680 so any apparition that's Mary and it's all good. Right. 2381 02:23:32.719 --> 02:23:35.959 So it's like, well, but if you're a Roman Catholic. 2382 02:23:36.360 --> 02:23:38.239 I'm not saying it's even approved by the Vatican. I'm 2383 02:23:38.239 --> 02:23:40.920 just saying that Roman Catholics tend to, in an acumenist way, 2384 02:23:41.040 --> 02:23:46.440 support and promote the Zytoone apparition. I hadn't really thought 2385 02:23:46.440 --> 02:23:51.399 about the doves. But regardless of the doves, like it's 2386 02:23:51.639 --> 02:23:55.879 it's already used by acuminous minded people all the time. 2387 02:23:57.440 --> 02:23:59.040 Gotcha, all right, thanks for your time, man. 2388 02:23:59.200 --> 02:24:01.360 And the reason for that's pretty obvious, because the Roman 2389 02:24:01.399 --> 02:24:05.280 Catholics were saying, hey, if Mary is appearing in Zyto 2390 02:24:05.280 --> 02:24:08.760 in Egypt to the Coptics, and if we base a 2391 02:24:08.799 --> 02:24:12.200 lot of our argumentation on apparitions, we got to admit 2392 02:24:12.239 --> 02:24:17.000 it's Mary, and therefore, hey, Coptics are They're good? Mary's 2393 02:24:17.600 --> 02:24:20.319 Mary wouldn't appear up there, right, So it becomes this 2394 02:24:20.879 --> 02:24:36.200 like automatic default, a humanist move, which could then suggest 2395 02:24:36.799 --> 02:24:39.600 ecumenist stuff. I'm not sure where I mean. I guess 2396 02:24:39.639 --> 02:24:41.440 it could go in different ways, but I mean it's 2397 02:24:41.479 --> 02:24:46.079 kind of like Fatima. Like Fatima definitely was was even 2398 02:24:46.079 --> 02:24:47.360 if it was, I don't think it was real, but 2399 02:24:47.360 --> 02:24:49.840 even if it was, like it was also roped into 2400 02:24:50.639 --> 02:24:58.040 geopolitical you know, cold War stuff. I would say, just 2401 02:24:58.239 --> 02:25:01.120 on the surface of it, without looking a lot into 2402 02:25:04.920 --> 02:25:08.120 this could definitely be I mean, the CIA would definitely 2403 02:25:08.120 --> 02:25:10.719 capitalize on this against the Soviets. Right, So this has 2404 02:25:10.719 --> 02:25:13.000 taking place in nineteen sixty eight, it's the Cold War. 2405 02:25:13.600 --> 02:25:18.799 I mean, this would be perfect like Cold War stuff. Right. Oh, look, 2406 02:25:18.840 --> 02:25:22.440 Mary's with the Coptics. Therefore the Soviets are bad and 2407 02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:26.680 you think I'm not joking, Like apparitions were loved by 2408 02:25:26.719 --> 02:25:30.680 the CIA and utilized and staged by admission, by the 2409 02:25:30.680 --> 02:25:36.200 CIA and the Cold War. That's admitted, and we've covered 2410 02:25:36.200 --> 02:25:44.680 that many times over. Many people, even tradcats, argue that 2411 02:25:44.719 --> 02:25:50.479 Magic Gory was one of these. So my guess would 2412 02:25:50.520 --> 02:25:55.520 be that if if this was in some way capitalized 2413 02:25:55.559 --> 02:25:58.920 on or staged or even just just created as a hoax, 2414 02:26:00.520 --> 02:26:04.319 because remember, like I mean, do we know the thousands 2415 02:26:04.360 --> 02:26:07.680 of people that were there? No, okay, well, how do 2416 02:26:07.719 --> 02:26:09.479 we know that thousands of people witness Well there's a 2417 02:26:09.520 --> 02:26:12.959 news printing that says thousands of people saw Well, I 2418 02:26:13.000 --> 02:26:16.000 mean you realize the newspapers have been staging things since 2419 02:26:16.159 --> 02:26:19.600 the eighteen nineties. Look up the bat people on the 2420 02:26:19.600 --> 02:26:21.959 Moon hoax, which everybody at that time believed was real 2421 02:26:22.000 --> 02:26:35.479 because it was in the papers. Now and here's Roman 2422 02:26:35.520 --> 02:26:42.799 Catholic sites promoting her right here. Now we've covered, for example, 2423 02:26:43.879 --> 02:26:48.360 in the book on the CN religion that we covered 2424 02:26:48.680 --> 02:26:53.680 from the academic texts. It's not a conspiracy. Book ed Lansdale, 2425 02:26:53.680 --> 02:26:57.360 for example, wanted to stage entire second comings of Christ 2426 02:26:57.600 --> 02:27:00.680 during the Cold War. Now, supposedly they didn't go with 2427 02:27:00.719 --> 02:27:02.559 any of that, but that tells you right there, there's 2428 02:27:02.559 --> 02:27:05.520 an admission openly right there that they're willing to engage 2429 02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:09.959 in staged apparitions. And there are examples of this. I 2430 02:27:09.959 --> 02:27:11.399 don't know if it'll come up when I search for it, 2431 02:27:11.440 --> 02:27:18.920 but let's see