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Speaker 1: Here we are, back on I Do Part Two. I'm Richard Marks, here with my beautiful wife, Daisy Fuentes, and our guest, Cameron Matheson.
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Speaker 2: We have so much to talk to him about that we're going to continue the conversation, talk about his new Christmas movie and where he is in life right now. It was just too much for one podcast. Well, you recently went Instagram official with your girlfriend, Taylor. Yes. How does it feel to be in a relationship after everything that you went through? Do you feel like this is a new lease on life? Because I think that that really helps. Like when you go through a divorce or a bad breakup and you have to go through all the things that you go through, there's a sense of.
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Speaker 3: Jadedness, right?
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Speaker 2: And especially with all the stuff that you were going through, but then when you find someone who kind of lights that spark again, where you feel like, Oh, I'm feeling a little bit of that, but like love, love is love is everything. When you're able to feel that again, it's kind of lighting the way it's it's new hope. Right. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think that's, that's absolutely true. I think for me in particular too. So first of all, Taylor is, um, you know, just such an incredibly kind and sweet and smart and fun, adventurous and supportive and encouraging woman. It's just incredible. Uh, and, and, um, we have tons, tons in common and I never really thought that I would have that much in common again with somebody. Um, um, after, you know, being with Vanessa for 20, 22, 23 years, but leading into that, this relationship, which I guess officially kind of started back in, uh, should know this, um, April, I guess. Um, I had, you know, I'd started dating, I'd started being out there and, uh, it got, it got a little busy, you know, like it was more of a distraction, distraction, distraction. And, and also, but, but the truth is, is that, you know, I met a lot of incredible and, uh, amazing women. And, and, but I did notice that it was like, It's it, that's not me. Like it's, it's, it's, it's just, you know, it's just not me. And I, uh, when, when to your point, I met Taylor and obviously I am way, way better as a devoted, loyal person. uh, caring, loving partner.
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Speaker 3: That I am. You're good in relationships.
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Speaker 4: Out there in the world, kind of running around, trying to, I mean, apps. I had never, I never even been like, you know, I was, I was in a relationship for basically.
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Speaker 5: 25 years, including the time we were dating.
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Speaker 4: So it was, it was messy and odd and surreal at this, at the time, 55 year old was out doing the, you know, on a, on a dating app. But at the same time, I was very grateful to it and met a lot of great people.
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Speaker 1: But how did you meet Taylor?
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Speaker 6: On an app.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 4: On, on Raya. And, um, Yeah. And, and it was, it's everything that you said. It is really, it's, it's still relatively obviously new and the Instagram official aspect, I'm usually more private and, and, you know, she's, she's younger than I am. And Instagram is, is, and I, she knows that, you know, we talk about this stuff all the time, but Instagram is, you know, a big deal and being Instagram officials, a big deal, you know, I think more so to potentially, um, younger generations. But so I'm learning and compromise and stuff, but I, I'm very, obviously I'm very open and happy to put it out there and share it with people.
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Speaker 3: And that's great.
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Speaker 1: Instagram is so important that that's the one place that Daisy uses my last name.
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Speaker 5: You see, that's what I'm talking about. There's all these little things that I'm like, how does this work? We got to post a certain time.
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Speaker 2: Also, talk about being Instagram officials. So we were dating for two years. And the first time that we were both on Instagram together was our wedding announcement.
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Speaker 3: Like, hey, last night we got married.
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Speaker 5: That was the first time. We went Instagram official on our wedding day.
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Speaker 4: See, that's more the way, that's more my mentality with it.
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Speaker 5: Whereas you kind of like do your thing.
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Speaker 1: We went official on our wedding day.
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Speaker 3: We went official on our wedding day.
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Speaker 5: That is, that's what we call a hard launch. Yeah, that was a hard launch. That's a hard launch. That's a hard launch. You know what I mean? I'm learning all these, I'm learning all these things.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: The lingo. That's what I meant. I've never heard such a hard launch.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 3: That's why. I know.
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Speaker 1: That's impressive.
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Speaker 3: But that's also like.
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Speaker 1: It's so exciting. You know, I was in a really, really long marriage, maybe as long, if not longer than your first marriage. And, and then, and coming out of it was really, really hard and grief. There's grief in that, right? In the end of something like that, no matter who instigated it or what happened, it's very, very painful time. And to find that, this thing that we're talking about, which is different for everybody, and it's the thing that you can't really even quite accurately describe, but when you feel that thing again, and when you feel it at our age, so I was 50 when I met Daisy, and I felt like I do now, even at 63, in that way, I feel like a kid. It's the fountain of youth, you know, that feeling, if you can hold onto that feeling.
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Speaker 4: I agree, I agree.
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Speaker 1: I have it, and I'm really glad you have it. Oh, thanks. Especially coming out of, you know, you've gotten beat up for the last five years. It's nice to see some good stuff.
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Speaker 5: And I say this
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to her, too. I'm like, man, you're getting... You get a little beat up version of me. A lot of duct tape and staples.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I would dare to say it's the best version of you. Like a new and improved version. Like if you're able to come out of that.
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you.
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Speaker 2: That's like you're doing, you're doing really well coming out of that.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: What you learn from all of that is special. So what are you bringing into this new relationship that you could not have possibly brought to your life? first one when you were in your twenties?
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Speaker 5: Wow.
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Speaker 4: That's a really good question, man. And I was when, yeah, exactly. In my twenties, when, when I met Vanessa, I was still, I had some grownup to do. We, we both did. We, we had, we had a rocky start and, and, and learned a lot together. And now coming in out of this, out of that relationship with Vanessa and then being single for a while and now dating Taylor, I would say, a resilience. Um, I would say there's also a confidence in knowing I'm going to be okay, no matter what, knowing like things are going to be okay. Like what, you know, things work out, things don't work out. Um, knowing that, that forgiveness and love and trying to see somebody else's perspective is just, it's just gold and it's going to make you, make you and others happy, you know, trying to, um, no matter what. Um, so, you know, that was, that was a tough lesson, um, to be honest, but, uh, and then probably many other things. There's things now that, um, I'm learning to do as someone, you know, or was courting, you know, this, this woman and dating, uh, that, uh, you know, to be completely frank, were things that I wasn't really doing anymore in the marriage, you know?
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Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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Speaker 4: And I regret that.
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Speaker 2: Is it realistic to expect all those things that we do in the beginning of a relationship? when we are all really just trying to be the best versions of ourselves.
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Speaker 3: And there is a kind of.
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Speaker 2: Love that is not possible that it lasts for 10 years, that beginning phase. You might fall more in love as time goes by. You can be at a better stage of your marriage that you wouldn't trade ever again for, for feeling, you know, the, the butterflies and that early stage. So I think it's not realistic to expect the.
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Speaker 3: Things to put that on each other.
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Speaker 2: Like, you know, whether you get married again or not, but let's say you're in this relationship for 10 years and 10 years down the line.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Either one of you saying, oh, well, this isn't, you weren't like this. Well, you weren't like this. Well, that's not what it was like. Well, of course not.
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Speaker 4: Well, and I appreciate you saying that. That's like, that's helpful for me
to hear because it's.
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Speaker 1: Kind of like- It's very rare to hear a woman's perspective.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But that doesn't apply to you though.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that applies to everybody other than you, Daphne.
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Speaker 5: You were so close. It's on tape now. You were so close. It's on tape now. I can just be like, wait a minute, you said this. You almost had to get out of jail free card. You have to keep doing all the things. And that's true.
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Speaker 8: And I am, this might sound weird, but I am extremely proud of who I was as a husband, as a partner, and a father, and still am as a father, but.
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Speaker 4: Like very, very like I know that I was like a good partner, you know, but could I have done more?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I think that is so important because I always, I think, and I think I said this to you, you know, when I met you and you were still feeling the way you were feeling over the end of your marriage, I remember saying, That was successful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Just because a.
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Speaker 2: Marriage ends in divorce does not mean that it wasn't successful and it wasn't wonderful while it lasted.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You had a very successful marriage.
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Speaker 5: I feel like I did.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Obviously, it would only really be fair for her to give you her side too. But from my perspective... We had a beautiful and meaningful and successful marriage.
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Speaker 1: We really did.
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Speaker 2: And it's not fair that because things change or people change, circumstances change, and you're no longer right for each other in that era, it's not fair to say that, oh, the marriage wasn't successful.
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Speaker 1: Also, to your point about a few minutes ago, you were talking about the losses that you experienced in the last five years and how one of the lessons for you was to count on external things to define your worth or happiness. You said you're doomed if you do that. And I think that I just would love to expand on that in terms of relationships now and especially second marriages. Because one thing I really, really learned in my relationship with Daisy and in this second round of life with someone is, I think that the reason that our relationship was so ready to take the step of getting married was because we finally both, she before me, but we were really good on our own. We were finally she actually dumped me that's interesting early on we started dating and then she broke up with me because she felt like I had been married my whole adult life and she said I don't feel like you even know who you.
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Speaker 3: Are I feel like you can't go from that directly into another.
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Speaker 1: I love being with you and I think you're awesome but you've never dated really.
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Speaker 3: You've never like you need to go date a bunch of girls you need.
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Speaker 1: To date and you need to wow another thing you don't often hear from women she didn't say date by the way she used a different word okay but he needed to do it And she forced me because she said, I'm telling you this because I, in the last few years, she had been in long relationships. She was married when she was young, a couple of really long relationships, but she had been single, dating, but single when I met her for like two or three years. And in that span of time, going into her late forties, she was like, I now know that I and responsible for my own happiness.
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Speaker 3: I was so good.
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Speaker 1: I can't make it be I can't make my happiness be about somebody else. Amazing.
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Speaker 5: Amazing.
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Speaker 2: I was so good that I was like, if you're gonna come into my life that way, you're gonna have to make it better.
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Speaker 3: And shit, that's hard, because it's so good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And in that period of months, you know, it was a pretty little chunk, it was a chunk of time. It was not about dating other people. For me, it was about really doing this introspective work. And feeling like I'm good.
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Speaker 3: I'm really good.
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Speaker 1: I want to be with her so much, but I'm okay. Like you said.
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Speaker 3: You had to figure out who you were without the marriage. To figure out that you can be okay, that you'll be okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's the most valuable thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: As you guys are.
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Speaker 4: Talking about this, I'm wondering if I gave myself that opportunity.
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Speaker 3: Well, you said you were dating. You said you were dating.
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Speaker 4: I was dating, but I feel like that wasn't, I guess that's not true because I had moments where it was really, you know, Getting to know myself, getting to know what I wanted, getting to know who I was. What do I, how do I imagine myself in this next chapter? Who do I, like, you know, all of these things. And, but, but mostly it got, you know, it just was, I used it as a, like, I really enjoyed it. And I really enjoyed these people. It was almost more like an opportunity not to go in.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: An opportunity not to feel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um, because it was nice. It was fun. It was like, it was, it was hanging out with amazing people and doing cool things.
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Speaker 3: But in the process, you do learn a lot about yourself.
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Speaker 4: I did. And, and especially in the process and now back in, in a committed relationship, uh, and, and, and the contrast between the two again, um, was, was very, uh, Very helpful.
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Speaker 3: So how do you see yourself in this new era? How are you feeling?
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Speaker 2: Like is marriage, are you open to marriage again? Is that
something that could happen or?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I, I never really thought that I, that I would be, but I am open to marriage again.
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Speaker 1: Has Taylor been married before?
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Speaker 4: She has not. No, she has not. She has no kids. And I know that she wants kids. That's a boundary for her, which I think is amazing.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um, and she knows that I had no plans on having more kids, you know, for, uh, 20 years. And, uh, then I, you know, we've talked about it. This is like a little bit, probably too much information.
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Speaker 6: But we've talked about the fact that this is something that I'm exploring and open to think about, but at the same time, it's, it's a, that's a very big decision.
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Speaker 4: I've got two grown, beautiful kids. I'm 57 years old. I mean, I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: But the most beautiful thing and the most important thing is that, yeah, you're open.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 3: You don't know what's going to happen, but you're open.
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Speaker 5: And we talk about it regularly.
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Speaker 4: Like, you know what I mean? It's not like this elephant in the room where it comes up and we discuss it and where I'm at and things like that. And I talk to other people about it. And I talked to my brother who just had a baby a couple of years ago, who's older than me and, you know, things like that. So there's, So open to marriage, uh, I'm, I'm thinking and, and, you know, exploring the possibility of, of being open to kids again.
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Speaker 3: So that's where I'm at.
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Speaker 4: And then, yeah, but, but really where I see myself, I, I, I want, um, my goal is to have more balance and, and have a simpler life right now. It's, it's very busy and it's, it's, and I'm very grateful. Um, but it's, it's a little chaotic and, uh, And so that, and that'll happen and I'll just, I just gotta kind of create it, but, um, yeah, it's just as in this, in this next chapter too, I just, you know, now we've got a home home base.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the kids, what does that look like for you?
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Speaker 7: Simplifying or, um, you know, my career has always been, we chatted about this a little bit beforehand, but like, it's always been, uh, lots of little compartments or lots of big compartments.
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Speaker 4: You know, I work as an actor, I work as a, as a TV host. I work in the functional health coaching space. I, you know, I've got, you know, I do Christmas movies. I do, you know, good morning America. I've got all general health. Like I've got these components, which are all amazing. And, you know, there's other things brewing too. But each one of them really treats you. And you guys know this because you, you, you know, you've done multiple things. each, each little compartment of your life, of your work life treats you like, this is all you got.
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Speaker 5: This is, this is it.
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Speaker 4: Like, you know, they, they, they're relating to you. Like you're putting in everything of you to this, but I got five others doing the same thing. And it's a lot of pressure and it's a lot of, and it can add to, and, but the, you know, the, the fear is, and this is never a good thing. But in this business, you know, if you're not working, you're not making money. And I've got, you know, kids to support. And we lost, like I said, a lot of money in the fires and alimony. And, you know, they got a new house. Like, you know, it's, yeah, there's.
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Speaker 5: A lot going on.
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Speaker 3: It's tough to find the balance.
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Speaker 5: It's tough to find the balance.
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Speaker 3: It's tough to find the balance.
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Speaker 4: And I feel like I have moments of it. I feel like I have moments of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: As we get older, that's more and more important.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, and all the things that you need to do become less important.
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Speaker 3: Tell us about the movie. The movie, Very Arctic Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Very Arctic Christmas. Tell us everything.
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Speaker 5: I have to tell you.
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Speaker 1: We saw the trailer.
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Speaker 3: Oh, this is so up my alley.
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Speaker 1: Immediately Daisy was like, oh my God, we have to watch this.
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Speaker 3: I've got to see this.
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Speaker 5: It's a really sweet one. You know, everybody's, they're all sweet.
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Speaker 4: All the Christmas movies. Go out and see some Christmas movies, everybody. I've been lucky enough to make a lot of them. This one was extra special. It was inspired by, so I'm very close with my kids and we do these travel. We've always traveled together as a family, but you know, now that, and Vanessa and I now travel to kids individually. And we do it in a way where the kids get to choose trips, whether it's just me and my daughter or me and my son or me and both of them. And we have amazing times and it's, it's.
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Speaker 1: A big part of.
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Speaker 4: Uh, to the point where they both chose to travel, uh, study abroad in Europe and things like that. So this was inspired by. Um, my relationship with my kids and the travel we do, and also the challenges we've been through and, and sort of us kind of starting a new chapter as, as a, as a family. And, um, and it's really beautiful. It's like, basically he tried to write it, Robin Dunn, who wrote and directed and produced this, um, tried to write it as a, so that used a lot of exact things that I've done with my daughter and things, funny lines in the movie that I would say. Um, and it's a beautiful story about second chances. It's, it's a story about balance and learning when to say no, and the importance of, of connection and family. And it's really a father daughter story. which I've never done in these Christmas movies. And of course, both the father and
the daughter, both myself and the, and the, and the actress playing my daughter, Maya, uh, have a romantic, uh, you know, well, you have to watch to find out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But, uh, but it's, it's a, it's a very sweet movie and, and, and very touching. And one of the scenes in particular between myself and, and my, who plays my daughter was written specifically, uh, based on a conversation I kind of had with my daughter where, It was pretty personal, but more along the lines of, you know, am I doing okay? Am I a good dad? Have I been a good dad? Did I let you, like, you know, it's a really touching scene. And she did such a nice job in it and I feel like it was pretty authentic for me. How old are your kids? My daughter's 20 and my son is 23.
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Speaker 1: And are they back or are they still studying?
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Speaker 4: My son studies in London in fashion design at Central Saint Martin. He's crushing, he's an amazing school there and he's doing really well. And my daughter was studying psychology in Paris for two years. And now she's transferred to a school in New York.
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Speaker 3: She's a little closer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know, have they been really supportive?
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Speaker 2: Cause they're kind of young adults now and I feel like they can be supportive to both you and your ex.
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Speaker 3: Have they been helpful and understanding?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: They've been amazing. You mean with, Meeting new people and things like that.
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Speaker 3: Just with everything you've gone through, yeah.
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Speaker 4: It was very, very hard for them. We had an amazing family. And I think from one perspective, the kids were like, if this marriage doesn't work out, then any marriage cannot work out. And that was, you know, my daughter said that to me once.
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Speaker 5: Wow.
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Speaker 1: She had anxiety about it. My son just said that to me.
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Speaker 5: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Like a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 5: No way.
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Speaker 1: My youngest son.
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Speaker 3: Wait, are we getting divorced? Oh, they weren't talking about me.
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Speaker 1: No, not you.
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Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 1: Other one. Whatever.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He had never said that to me. You know, all three of my sons, I'm really, really close to them. They all live here and they're in their thirties. Really adore Daisy, close to Daisy. We spend a lot of time together as this family. They're still very close to their mom, but we were talking because my youngest son has been in a long relationship and his I wouldn't say hesitation is the wrong word, but his concerns or his thoughtfulness about marriage for himself. He finally said to me, quote, well, you fucked me up on that one. Because he said, I was sure that you and mom were going to be together forever.
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Speaker 2: But that's a testament to the relationship that you had.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because they didn't see problems.
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Speaker 2: And the job that you and their mother did as parents and what you did with your ex that your kids thought well.
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Speaker 1: It blindsided them.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is as good as it gets. And that's the real success.
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Speaker 1: You said you were taken by surprise in your divorce. Were your kids taken by surprise?
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Speaker 5: I was, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 4: And again, I try to just, talk is, you know, just from my side about it because obviously she, she deserves herself. But yes, it was, it was a big surprise to me. And, and I, from what I could tell, it was a big surprise from the kids too.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But that's, that, that's what makes the marriage successful that while it was working, everybody thinks that this is as good as it gets.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: And it was for the time that it, that it was great.
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Speaker 4: And with that said, I, it's, it seems also like my kids are also very supportive of their mom doing thing and making changes in her life and and of course you know i wouldn't want to imply otherwise but um yeah.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you yeah that's nice well you're due for a bunch of years of nothing but good things cameron yeah well you know you've come through you know a really hard period with uh seemingly so much grace yeah well thanks and it's really really lovely to see i appreciate that i'm we're both happy that you're in a good place.
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Speaker 2: And I think the way you share and you're so open about it, it's so helpful because everybody goes through things.
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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. Well, I appreciate the chance to come and talk to you guys about it.
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Speaker 1: I really do. And congrats on the movie.
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Speaker 4: Thanks.
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Speaker 3: Can't wait to see it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I love a good Christmas movie.
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's, I got a text actually earlier today from the director. He goes, Cameron, this movie's blowing up.
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Speaker 5: People are loving it. Have you seen it?
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Speaker 4: So I think people are enjoying it, which makes me happy.
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Speaker 1: Where can everybody see it?
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Speaker 4: On Great American Family or they can stream it on Great American Pure Flix or GFam Plus.
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Speaker 3: Love it.
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Speaker 1: Awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Awesome.
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Speaker 3: Thanks, Cameron.
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