התמלול המלא של Ep. 110 | Multiplying Disciples for Lasting Revival

Jesus and said no. 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:36.000 Uh, there's one-third of the population of of the planet who is called unreached. 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:43.840 And they are basically, they don't know who Jesus was or is, they don't know anything about it. 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:48.800 Um, in many cases, they have no access. 00:02:49.360 --> 00:03:00.319 Of course, they don't have access to the Bible, yeah, they don't have access to Christian literature, and in many cases, they don't know a single Christian. 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.759 Um, so that's one part of the world. 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:19.919 And then in in another part of the world, they know plenty of Christians, and so we may end up with the dilemma that a third of the world doesn't have Jesus because they've never heard about him, they've never met a Christian. 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:20.319 Yeah. 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:27.360 And then there's there's another third that don't want anything to do with Jesus because they they met some Christians. 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:34.080 Kind of a skeptic way to say it, but they are they are accessible. 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.439 The gospel is accessible to all of these people. 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.000 And yet they haven't been, they haven't accessed it. 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:43.840 They haven't been able to access it. 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:48.560 Well, and I and I wonder sometimes if it's if it's something that we've done, right? 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:49.919 I I've recently heard about something. 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:51.280 It's called Goodhart's Law. 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:55.120 Goodhart was a British economist in, I guess, the 1960s, 1970s. 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:57.680 I don't know exactly when he lived, but this is this is what he stated. 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:03.120 He said, when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure. 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:07.759 When a measure becomes the target, it ceases to be a good measure. 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:23.199 And I reflect on that, and over the past couple of weeks, it just hasn't left my mind because I think of how many moments does does that happen in my life as a Christian leader, and particularly uh within within our church structures, where we go, wait a second, what are the things that we begin to measure? 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:23.519 Right? 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:24.720 Now I'm not against measurement. 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.040 Obviously, we got whole books of the Bible called numbers. 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:35.439 God is for measurement, but when that becomes a target, how can that begin to skew uh some of the things that that that the body's doing? 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:57.279 Well, one of the one of the critiques that I've heard of the of the of about the focus on unreached people groups has been that it has been a focus on reaching them alone, which is honestly it's an it's a it's an addictive, or not in the terms of addiction, in the terms of addition. 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:58.399 Ah, okay. 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:03.680 It's an additive mentality as opposed to a multiplicative mentality. 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:05.519 Okay, so I want to pause here for a second. 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:14.319 We're talking about two mentalities, an an additive or an addition mentality and uh uh a multiplication or multiplicity uh mentality. 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.240 Help help break these down for me, real quick. 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:17.519 What's this addition mentality? 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:29.519 Well, you know, you know, that when uh uh I don't I don't I don't even know who coined the term, but you know, we've heard from a million sources over the last 70 years, everyone win one. 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:30.639 Okay. 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:35.279 Um, the idea again, the measure became the target. 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:50.879 So the idea that if every Christian was able to share the gospel with one person, and that person would convert, would become a Christian, that'd be a great thing. 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:52.720 Yeah, and to be clear, it would be. 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.480 That's it would be nobody's against that. 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:55.680 It would be a great thing. 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:03.600 It just would not, it would take us so long to fulfill the Great Commission. 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:04.959 Wait, great commission. 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.120 Remind me, this is Matthew 28. 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:08.160 Matthew 28. 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:09.839 Okay, he says 1920. 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:18.240 Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I've commanded. 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:18.639 Yes. 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.120 Okay, so verbs, I got I got go, I got make, I got teach, I got baptize. 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:25.120 Uh what's kind of central here? 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:27.600 Well, the central is make disciples. 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:29.680 It's the only imperative. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:30.959 Imperative, help me. 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:32.000 I'm I'm not good with English. 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:38.319 The only, the only, you know, all the other verbs go, uh teach. 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.279 They are they're baptized. 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:43.680 They are not a mandate. 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.959 Okay, so they're not like they're not the mandate, they're not the instructive. 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:52.079 Jesus is not is not saying to disciples, hey, you go and teach. 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.920 No, it's he's saying, you go and make disciples. 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:57.519 Okay. 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.120 You do that by baptizing and teaching. 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:06.480 Okay, so those are the actions that are the means by which you're doing this action, make disciples. 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:12.560 So the command, make disciples, and you do that by teaching and and baptizing.

00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:16.000 So, Norval, uh this where does this connect in? 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.720 You mentioned it, and I wanted to remind us, where does this connect in into addition? 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:19.360 Where is it where? 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:20.800 Well, you know what's interesting? 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:26.560 Because as we were talking here, I hadn't thought about about I hadn't thought about that before. 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:32.399 If you stop at go and make disciples. 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:33.920 Yeah. 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:40.319 And even if you stop at baptize, you're you're additive, additive. 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:41.279 You're a you're adding. 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:42.319 I'm adding, okay. 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:44.879 I'm adding baptized disciples. 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:45.360 Okay. 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:56.319 The moment I teach them to obey everything that Jesus has commanded, I run full circle because one of the things Jesus has commanded is for us to make disciples. 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:58.399 Okay, hold on here. 00:07:58.639 --> 00:07:59.279 So, yeah. 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.279 So that that's where this turns. 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.000 So it uh listen, like you know, I was a math teacher, okay? 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.879 So my brain goes to what is addition, what is multiplication. 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:10.560 Well, multiplication is a is a uh an extension, right? 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:20.560 A mathematical extension that makes the addition process faster, it makes it more efficient, it makes it uh an easier way to go about that element of the mathematics process. 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.000 So I'm I'm sitting here and I'm thinking and I'm listening and I'm trying to evaluate. 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:31.199 But if if going and sharing the love of Christ with one person uh is is an element. 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:37.200 I'll know I've made a disciple when that disciple is making a disciple. 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.840 That is a very that that's a good measure of success. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:42.639 Okay. 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:53.519 But I suspect, well, I don't not suspect, if I look at my church, the church that I go to, I'm not a pastor, you are, yeah, I'm not. 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.879 Uh so we we we are looking at this from different perspectives. 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:01.279 The other people in my church that are part of my congregation, yeah. 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:16.720 Um if we get to the to make a disciple at all, we are stopping short of making a disciple that makes disciples. 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:19.600 How do I know this? 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:26.480 Because if we were, our church there there wouldn't be room for the people in our church. 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:27.039 Yeah. 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.639 Yeah, the growth would be would be again exponential, right? 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.440 It would grow at a rate that that couldn't be contained. 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.360 Norval, I I you know, I want to be sincere here. 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.200 I know these are things that we've explored before. 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.440 It's not like these are completely novel ideas to us. 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:52.639 And I I imagine for many of the people that are listening, yes, uh, it's not completely novel, but uh I I'm struggling because here's the here's the sensation that that hits my head. 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:58.000 I hear reports and we've even shared and celebrated reports on this very podcast about revival taking place. 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:05.600 And yet there are so many that I know look around themselves and go, I don't, man, I don't see revival around me. 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:14.240 And that's where I think this addition and multiplication conversation really should begin to say, okay, what am I doing in my life? 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:30.879 If I know that this multiplication thing, or if I'm if I've just discovered that this multiplication thing is is a unique and special element to this this command of Christ, maybe the greatest evidence of its presence or its absence is do I see that same kind of revival taking place around me? 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:31.440 Exactly. 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:32.399 Is that fair? 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.039 Uh yes, yeah, I think it is fair. 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:41.679 Um But but a revival could stop short. 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:52.639 Again, the the the part about making disciples who make disciples requires an intentionality. 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:53.200 Okay. 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:57.919 It requires it's it's a it's a more it's a disciplined process. 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:19.919 And I think we I mean we could go into consumer Christianity, you know, over the last 50 years, we have we have learned we have grown up in an environment of consumer um Christianity where I am the end of the process. 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:20.799 Yeah. 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:22.000 Yeah. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:27.360 Or the disciple is the end of the process, not the beginning. 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:31.679 In multiplication, the disciple is just the beginning of the process. 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:44.559 I think I think there's some some truth there because I think the the again it's so much harder to to evaluate the question, is this a disciple? 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:45.120 Right? 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:50.159 Uh have I have I hit full on I'm following in the practice and way of Jesus. 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.240 But you know, when we look at Jesus, he didn't say come and watch, right? 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.240 Like he's like, here, follow me. 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:03.360 Like that's the instruction that he gave is follow in my way, and my way includes making disciples who are making disciples. 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.759 Like that's the that's the imperative there. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:07.200 So, all right. 00:12:07.679 -->

00:12:22.399 Let's say I look around and I go, Man, my church is full of of programs designed to meet a person in a moment, not equip them to meet a person, to equip them to meet a person. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.879 Well, what do I do here? 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.440 I mean, I lie, we teach multiplication of leaders. 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:33.840 I mean, we obviously believe that the most faithful Christian leaders today are multiplying into the lives of other people. 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:41.039 Where do we need to start in kind of thinking and reflecting on this if we want to have that kind of an exponential multiplying mindset? 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:51.600 You know, you in in um one of the one of the most beautiful things that is happening in the body of Christ today is what a lot of people call disciple-making movements. 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:52.720 Okay, yeah. 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.159 And uh, and there's a lot of different methods to it, there's a lot of different things, but it's all based on a convert. 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:02.559 On it, first of all, it's a relational process, it's not a program. 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:12.480 I think we are so flooded and inundated with programs, particularly in the US, in the West, particularly in the English language. 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.200 Uh I'm my native my first language is Portuguese. 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:18.559 I also speak Spanish. 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:42.159 And I know that even though there are plenty of resources in Portuguese, even though Spanish is a global language that really has nothing comes even close to the amount of programs and resources that are available for the American church, for the English-speaking church. 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:42.879 Wow. 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:51.440 And you know, it it's it I said programs, products. 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.200 All of this sounds consumeristic. 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.320 Yeah, all of these products, all of these programs. 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:00.480 So I've seen a lot of this. 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:05.759 People have equated uh disciple making with programs. 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:35.600 Uh, and and that is one of the things, and and we teach, we talk about discipleship or disciple making being a relationship, you know, it's it's bringing somebody to Jesus and walking and following Jesus alongside that person until that person already has is already bringing somebody to follow along to follow Jesus. 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:47.759 And uh and in this disciple-making movement process, one of the things that they do is the they ask several questions. 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:52.559 So they read a passage of scripture and they say, Okay, what does that what do you have you learned about God? 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:54.080 What have you learned about yourself? 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:55.759 Yeah how can you respond? 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:05.279 And then the last one, my favorite one, is there's who is who in your life really needs to hear this? 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:06.240 That's right. 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:14.639 Who in your life needs to have the same epiphany, let's use that word. 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:14.960 Sure. 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.000 Same epiphany that you've had with this scripture. 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:38.320 Uh, it's a discovery process, and the it's the beauty of it is that that every time the this person that is in the process of being made into a disciple will have these epiphanies, we'll have these moments with God, we'll learn these things that will change their lives. 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:43.759 And then the question, okay, who in your life needs to go through that same process? 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.039 And I think that's I really think that's the the foundational element. 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.159 I again I and I I go back and forth on this. 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.840 I struggle with this sometimes, asking about the the efficacy of some of these programs. 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.360 And and I mean, let's be honest, International Leadership Institute hosts a gathering. 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:02.559 Like we we we have an experience that uh in an intensive that we walk people through. 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:19.600 And we have a discipleship program, if you will, Christian to the core, is a is a beautiful um um material based on the same eight leadership core values scriptural from the from the scriptures that we teach. 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:26.159 And and uh and people go through it as part of discipleship or disciple making. 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:26.639 Yeah. 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.399 But disciple, but disciple making is not Christian to the core. 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:30.879 Sure. 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:32.000 It's just a resource. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.240 Well, yeah, the relationship is well, the relationship is is necessary. 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:49.679 And and as I'm thinking about those programs and I'm thinking about those experiences, those processes, the the key element to me really does come back to that that final question in those DMM, those disciple making movements, which is who are you going to tell? 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.679 Jesus from the very beginning started having his disciples teach others, right? 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:55.759 He would send them out in pairs, he'd do these different things. 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.240 He began very quickly, before they even probably were ready, right? 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.919 In the sense that you and I might say, Oh, okay, well, you've now been through seminary. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:13.200 Now you can read Well, in a way, they weren't ready until Pentecost, and yet they were sent three years earlier, right through the beginning of the ministry of Jesus. 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:14.000 That's right. 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:25.920 So, but teaching everyone who's following the Jesus way and to understand that, well, by following the

Jesus way, it is a way that talks to other people about what God is doing in you and through you. 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:38.559 And and uh I think I think one of the best ways we can can combat that consumer Christian context is by teaching uh really self-sacrifice and above all purpose. 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:50.640 And when we recognize we have a purpose, and that purpose in Christ is to help people discover the abundant life that I've offered in Christ in a way that allows them to help others discover it as well. 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:58.400 And it's funny to me because you know, in so many areas of our life, when we experience something that's life-transforming and joy-filled, what do we do? 00:17:58.559 --> 00:17:59.440 We tell everybody. 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:04.720 Yeah, it's just that like it's the normal like consummation of our joy to celebrate with others. 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:15.359 I'm thinking here, you're at this awesome place, you all of a sudden you run into Matthew McConaughey or Leonardo Capri. 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:16.079 What do you do? 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:20.319 You get a selfie because you want to share that moment with everybody else. 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.759 Now, you have a personal encounter with Jesus. 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:25.279 A risen savior. 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.000 The risen Jesus, a risen savior. 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.319 Get a selfie with him and go share. 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:31.359 I mean, that's it. 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:32.079 That's it. 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.359 Okay, so I'm I'm a leader who's listening to this. 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:41.200 I'm hearing some of these ideas, and I'm going, okay, I want to step into multiplication, I want to step into some of these practices. 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:55.200 Um, you know, I think the first place I would start is by is by really saying, hey, I need to understand how to find my place in the midst of this and find a way to teach others how to find their place. 00:18:55.359 --> 00:19:02.000 Um, I know for a long time we've taught the power of vision, which, which, which talks through a couple of key elements in that process. 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:18.559 And I have found it being uh an incredible tool to not only help myself see God, where are you calling me, but also as a discipleship tool, so that they are receiving, oh, okay, I know where God's calling me, but I now also can help others discover where God's calling. 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:25.519 Uh so can you just kind of quickly, hey, what does it look like to discover that? 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:50.079 And is there some kind of a uh a biblical framework that we can work through that's going to help a leader not only discover for themselves, but have a real simple tool that they can pull on to introduce other people to God's call for their life and and begin moving people from um, you know, passive participant uh or passive observer into active uh contributor to the kingdom here. 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:51.119 Yeah. 00:19:51.359 --> 00:20:00.160 Daniel, look, there is a you're you're um let me see how am I gonna phrase, how am I gonna state this? 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:03.920 This pro this is not our project. 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:16.160 So to anybody who's hearing so you got you you all of a sudden you hear you hear us talk about this and you want to you want to be a multiplier, you want to multiply. 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.720 This is not your project, it's God's project. 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:23.279 That's right. 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:28.240 All right, so what would I do? 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:40.559 And would I what I should be doing, what we all should be doing every day, is just quiet down, bow your head, and offer yourself to the Lord. 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:42.240 Here I am, Lord. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:50.640 Send me someone, create the opportunity, because he's the one who's gonna create the opportunities, Daniel, anyway. 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:55.279 Yeah, I can't manufacture that, I can't go out, you know. 00:20:55.359 --> 00:21:05.920 I could um, you know, if I'm if if I were an extremely extrovert person, I could go, you know, harassing people in the on the street and one by one. 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:12.720 Hey, sure, sure, hey, hey, give you give them a a leaflet or something like that. 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.039 That's not me, and probably not you either. 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.799 We're not we're I'm I'm an introvert, I'm not gonna go out looking for people. 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:19.680 Sure, sure. 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:25.119 So, but God will put people in my path. 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:35.440 I believe if I if I put myself in the position to see these people, he would put me, he would bring those people into my path. 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:46.160 If I am intentional about um walking with that person, paying the price, it's not easy. 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:55.759 One of the things that we say at the end of our discipleship session is it's about life to life investment. 00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.759 Investment requires. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.839 Uh investment. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:03.759 You got to be invested in it. 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:05.839 Think about it like this. 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:07.759 My son is a chef. 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:11.039 He wants to open a restaurant. 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:26.079 Well, the first thing that he's going to have to do, we're going to have to do is come together and figure out a way to raise a certain amount of money to pay the price to open that restaurant. 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:34.960 And then he's going to work like crazy to make that restaurant work and serve people. 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:36.960 Discipleship is the same thing. 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.319 Salvation is free, but the life of a disciple has a cost. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:10.720 But the path of discipleship is because it's it's an uphill battle. 00:23:10.960 -->

00:23:13.680 And so yeah, we need to count the cost. 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.920 We're building a tower, we're going to war against an enemy. 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.599 We need to count the cost. 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:23.119 So I think the first thing count the cost. 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:42.319 And if you think that's it's worth it, and it is, then wait, I I am very you can be almost passive in that, in that you wait, you're waiting for God to send somebody your way, but then act on it and just start a relationship. 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.359 I don't think it I don't that's what we teach. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:45.599 Yeah. 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:46.640 And I believe it. 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:51.119 It doesn't require a program, it doesn't require sophistication. 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:56.799 Um it all it requires is is that submission and availability. 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:01.440 Availability and that just that start walking with somebody. 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:02.079 Yeah. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:03.680 Man, I love that, Norval. 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:13.920 Um such a very, I think, uh uh uh spirit-centered and and again natural relational response. 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:20.480 Um listen, leader, if you're out there and you're listening, you're reflecting on this, I want to encourage you. 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.839 Uh, it's not always the new relationships that you have to go out and seek. 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.799 It's oftentimes the relationships God's already entrusted to you. 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:35.759 It just is the courage necessary uh to begin having some of those conversations and being honest and open with people about what is God doing in your life. 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:46.480 And uh that can always begin by daily surrendering to Him and saying, God, do something in my life today that I need to experience, see, and share with someone else. 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.839 We love walking with you as a Christian leader. 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.559 And at the International Leadership Institute, this is what we do. 00:24:52.720 --> 00:25:00.160 We walk with Christian leaders, helping them to discover practices and values that are transformational for their life and the life of others. 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:02.640 We want to see a healthy, thriving church. 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:05.279 We want to see healthy, thriving Christian leaders. 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:13.519 And so we invest eight core values into people's lives so that they have a tool that can be invested in someone else, so on and so forth. 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.000 We want to see disciples making disciples. 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:24.079 That's when we're gonna see uh God's glory among all nations, tribes, and people uh and and worship from each of them. 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.480 Uh, it'll be such a beautiful thing. 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:27.680 Uh, this is what we do. 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:32.960 If you want to find some incredible resources, you can go to iliteam.org, learn a little bit more about us. 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:40.400 You can go to iliteam.org slash vision and see some cool tools about the power of vision, some other things that can help you in the midst of that process. 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:48.480 Uh, and if this is helpful to you, let me ask, man, like, subscribe, give us a comment, uh, some kind of interaction so that we can create the best tools for you. 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:54.720 And if this has served you in some way, pass it along to somebody uh so that they too can be encouraged, uh, just as you were encouraged. 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.119 Again, it's not just about what we receive, it's about what we give away to others. 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:00.880 Thanks so much for joining us today.