התמלול המלא של Getting Real about Missing and Murdered Indigenious Women/Girls (MMIWG/MMIR)

00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:58.079 my life to making change. I was always pretty activism oriented, 70 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:02.800 even as a youngster. I remember having some interesting conversations. 71 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.040 I grew up in a Dutch Reformed church in Winnebago, 72 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.720 and I remember asking about at the time, they were 73 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.480 a pretty big church in South Africa, asking about things 74 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.279 like a Bard died in South Africa, or glassnost with Russia. 75 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.680 You know, the Berlin Wall was coming down. So I 76 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:26.560 was pretty pretty outspoken growing up. That's been my spirit, 77 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.279 I would say, that's always been my spirit. And another 78 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:35.879 part of my story is growing up by racial on 79 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:40.000 the Winnebago Indian Reservation was a really wonderful experience. It 80 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.199 was hard at times too, but I like it taught 81 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.160 me how to be very diplomatic at a young age 82 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.639 because I didn't have a lot of family who because 83 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.199 I wasn't Winnebago, if that makes sense. My tribe is 84 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:57.839 Northern Cheyenne, and I had to learn how to kind 85 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:02.199 of see amongst two or three different tribes, which I 86 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.439 think taught me how to be very well. I know 87 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:06.720 it has. It's taught me to be very diplomatic and 88 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:11.040 very open and respectful of things like that. And being 89 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.759 by racial I was very sensitive that to that as 90 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.360 a young age too, So I've always been very pro 91 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:20.680 interracial couples in a racial love, inter racial or love 92 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.000 is love, you know, I'm very very much a champion 93 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.480 of that from a young age because the things I 94 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:31.680 went through. So I'm more than just a professor Robrina. 95 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:33.720 You know, I have all this you know, story in 96 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.560 my background I'm very proud of and thanks for letting 97 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:38.720 me share it. And I would say, in connection to 98 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.600 what we're talking about today, i am a survivor. I'm 99 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.160 a sexual abuse and assault survivor, and I'm very open 100 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.839 about that, very candid, and I'm also okay with you know, 101 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.360 everyone's on their own journey with that. That's okay too, 102 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:53.439 and I think it's very important for me to share 103 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:58.199 my story in order to destroy that culture of silence 104 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.360 that is bred in with that kind of abuse. Are 105 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.639 just the systematic, as we will talk about soon, systematic 106 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:08.839 and institutional barriers and structures that were put there on purpose. 107 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:13.720 So that's me and I'm a mother. How could I 108 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:18.720 not talk about my beautiful sons, beautiful multiracial signs. Very 109 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:19.240 proud of them. 110 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:24.079 Yes, yeah, that is you do have a very interesting storm. 111 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:26.199 When we met with coffee. I do like to if 112 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.879 I can, when I have my guests, if I can 113 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.360 meet in person with them, I do. Sometimes I will 114 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.959 just have a preliminary zoom call with them, but if 115 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.680 I can meet face to face, I tried to do so, 116 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.519 and we met for coffee, and we really clicked right away. 117 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.759 We had a lot of similarities and we were both 118 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.800 in a lot of the same kind of work as 119 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.439 far as healing work, and it's heavy work. And I 120 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.639 too am a sexual assault sexual abuse survivor, which I 121 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.480 have not really told much of my story, and I 122 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.600 just came through a class that is helping me tell 123 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.759 my story more. And as I have forgotten some or 124 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:12.360 repressed some of my story for survival purposes, for those 125 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.560 of you who don't know a lot of details of 126 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.480 your life can be suppressed or forgotten because your body 127 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:23.600 literally can't handle it. And so anyway, but now I'm 128 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:27.920 coming into being able to tell those stories, and that 129 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.240 brought me to want to talk about our topic today. 130 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.679 And I know in some of your work of what 131 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.200 you do. That's why I reached out to you. Thank 132 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:41.519 to doctor Anitra Warrior, who I interviewed her about mental 133 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.039 health and Native American community and the work that she's doing. 134 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:47.639 So thank you doctor Nietschrach for getting us together. 135 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:51.799 Yes, thank you, doctor me. Absolutely, she's a beautiful soul, 136 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:52.679 golden salt. 137 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.720 Yes she is. But I want to talk to you 138 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:58.480 for two reasons. One is it's a well known fact 139 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.840 that bipop missing women don't

received as much attention or 140 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.240 media publicity as our counterpart or as white women. And 141 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.240 one instance is the Laurence Smithfield's case where a black 142 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:14.639 woman who went on she met a man on bumbles, 143 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:18.080 went on a date with him, she ended up dead, 144 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:23.159 and that her death was not being investigated until six 145 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:26.440 weeks after her death, and that was because the family 146 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.720 and some celebrities raised a rucus about it and even 147 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:34.200 the way the family was notified was very insensitive and dismissive. 148 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.720 And you all can look up that there's plenty of 149 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.360 articles on it now. Laurence Smithfield's case, it's very heart wrenching. 150 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:49.279 And also during the Gabby Pertino was in an abusive 151 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:54.960 relationship on her fiance. We believed that he had taken 152 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.240 her life. And but that case we became internationally known 153 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:03.879 and she just disappeared in the state of Wyoming, and 154 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:09.879 according to insider dot com between twenty eleven and twenty 155 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.600 twenty one, there were seven hundred and seven hundred and 156 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:19.200 ten Indigenous women missing in that same state and did 157 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.440 not get the same type of publicity. And then also 158 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:25.799 because May fifth is National Day of Awareness for Missing 159 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.759 and Murdered Native Women and Girls. And that's why I 160 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:34.399 wanted to have this conversation to talk about specifically Native 161 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.559 American women that has been this has been happening to 162 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:42.320 them when they call this a silent genocide, and so 163 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:44.799 I wanted you to speak a little bit. Let's start 164 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:48.799 with the history of what we'll refer to as mmiw 165 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.720 I Also like the way you refer to not just 166 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:59.200 missing and murdered Native women or indigenous women you call relatives, 167 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.799 and I really appreciate that. So why don't you speak 168 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.440 a little bit on the history when you believe this 169 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:05.159 actually began? 170 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.639 Okay, sure, of course absolutely, And you know, Rabrina, I 171 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:14.600 appreciate you bringing up the our relatives in general, you know, 172 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.799 which would be consistent with a lot of tribal beliefs 173 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.639 and worldviews that you know, we our relatives are our relatives. 174 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.919 That's going to span across tribes, nations, and quote unquote 175 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.480 what became racis and ethnic groups in this country, the 176 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:33.120 social construction of it. So I'm very adamant about saying that. 177 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.559 So thank you for bringing the stories for the young 178 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.080 women you've already mentioned, because that's important. One thing I 179 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.519 want to start with to everybody who's listening to this 180 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:46.799 is if it's happening to me and my people, it's 181 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.039 happening to you, and we have to remember that and 182 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:54.080 stick together with that. However, the grim reality is with 183 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.679 Native American or Indigenous women of what we call Turtle 184 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.759 Island or North America, we are the high group. We 185 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:04.399 are indeed targeted and have the highest rates of abuse 186 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:08.080 and violence and of course missing and murdered cases when 187 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.879 you look at our group purportant proportion to how many 188 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.360 we are in the population, the numbers are staggering. If 189 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:17.320 you look at it like that. This may come off 190 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.679 a little flippant. I don't mean it too to everybody. 191 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.799 When they asked me this question of when did MMIW begin, 192 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.679 and it was the day Columbus set foot, the day 193 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.200 they landed. That's when Indigenous women were being targeted, absolutely 194 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.279 from day one, back in those times, the way Columbus 195 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:38.440 looked at it. And there's a lot of really amazing 196 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.600 phenomenal MMIW activists and scholars who talk about this a lot, 197 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:46.919 Sarah Dear for example, Mary Catherine Nagel, somebody come to mind. 198 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.840 They looked at us as a how do I want 199 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:53.399 to say this, as wild and to be tamed. So 200 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.200 they were going to conquer our body, much like they 201 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.320 were conquering the land. If you will, you know the 202 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.240 whole discovery exploration notion. So Native women or indigenous you 203 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.360 know that obviously the Caribbean tribes, Caribbean people's they were 204 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:08.679 being put at what became a Caribbean I should say, 205 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:11.600 they became put into that they were to be conquered. 206 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:16.679 Although many

of our traditional societies were egalitarian or had 207 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:21.799 more equity, gender equity, of course orientation as well. So 208 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:27.799 that's when it started in this country. The movement we 209 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:31.240 were we were following in the step foots of our 210 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.360 courageous relatives to the north in Canada. So MMIW was 211 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.120 born out of Canada, if you will. That's who who 212 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:42.679 started this really concerted global advocacy because it's a transnational 213 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:48.320 global movement now MMIW so we can thank them for that. 214 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.360 How did they what were the steps that they took 215 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:58.240 to bring awareness for the voices or the victims that 216 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.879 these relatives are so are It. 217 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.360 Took a website if people are interested in that, because 218 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.559 you know, I won't be able to do them justice 219 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:12.159 of course would be the missing and murdered that they 220 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.159 had a national inquiry. So the one website you could 221 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.240 go look into or do a keyword searches National Inquiry 222 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.759 into MMIWG in Canada and that'll bring up a lot 223 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:27.279 of the history there. It took years and years of 224 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:33.200 advocacy and fighting against the injustice and how again, same 225 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.759 cases were not being investigated. It took Actually, one thing 226 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.879 that I like to point out to people is their 227 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.759 artists were very instrumental as well. So it was a 228 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:49.360 grassroots activists or mothers, grandmothers, daughters, aunts, women, relatives, and 229 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:52.879 then their artists did a significant job too and promoting 230 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.759 the movement and getting awareness and shedding light on what 231 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:57.759 was really going on. 232 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:00.879 And when you and I were talking, you were saying 233 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.960 that because I looked at a map and they were 234 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:09.399 talking about the states that have the highest NAP Yeah, 235 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.159 missing Indigenous women and girls. 236 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:17.480 Yes, yes, so in the United States. Some more the 237 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:22.159 history there, that's a great segue. We celebrate, we recognize 238 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:25.600 May fifth, as I'm going to my notes, so I 239 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:29.639 can give you pretty significant numbers here. So May fifth 240 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:33.960 has been set aside as national MMIWDA MMIWG Day and 241 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.399 May fifth, nineteen ninety two. They picked that date because 242 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.320 that's the birthdate of miss miss Harris. She was born 243 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.080 actually in my reservations up in Montana and Muddy Cluster 244 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.120 threat by my district in Busby, and she was tragically 245 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.440 murdered there. She passed away in that area, and that's 246 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.440 why we came up with that date. You've probably heard 247 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:01.080 of other legislation that's been connected to m mind activism, 248 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.720 like VAWA that was a big reauthorization that just happened 249 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:09.000 thanks to Deb Holland Cheris David's of Porus, Ruth Buffalo's 250 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.159 advocacy in North Dakota, and then in our state of Nebraska, 251 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:17.679 we passed MMIW legislation with LB one four a couple 252 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:23.440 of years ago. So when it comes to time, this 253 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.559 is a more recent modern phenomenon of legislation being done. 254 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.600 And when I mean recent modern, I mean the last 255 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:35.840 decade for five years in some cases. So not all 256 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:39.080 states have this type of legislation yet. 257 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.559 Yes, And statistically it says that Indigenous women and girls 258 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:48.200 are murdered ten times higher than all other ethnicities, and 259 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.720 that murder is the third leading cause of death for 260 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.840 Indigenous women. And so they have to do they had 261 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:03.039 to do something because that is it's just staggering numbers 262 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.079 when you look at it. And I was looking at 263 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.160 the one for the states, because I think I said 264 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.880 that because we're in Nebraska at least are we number seven? 265 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:18.119 Yeah, I think you're referring to the really remarkable work 266 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.880 that was done with the national report from Urban Indian Health. 267 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.359 I think is what our Urbanian Health with Urban Indian 268 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:30.000 Health Institute. I think you're referring to that, and I 269 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:36.519 will pull that data up for you real quick. And Nebraska, 270 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.400 this report is actually what got the attention of some 271 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:46.400 of our not just the world but also our local 272 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.839 policy members in the state of Nebraska. Yes, so, Omaha, 273 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:54.119 Nebraska is actually number seven of top ten cities in 274 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:55.039

the United States. 275 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:03.000 And yeah, it's like New Mexico is first. I think 276 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.559 I'll pull up the same website I have the National 277 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:09.240 Indian Council. Is that the one you have the ncoas 278 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:10.160 oh NCAI. 279 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.960 Yes, that's another reason of for excellent report. Yes, yes, ma'am. 280 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:19.720 Yeah, yeah, so yeah. So there's the top ten states. 281 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:28.359 I see New Mexico, Washington, Arizona, Alaska, Montana, California, Nebraska, Utah, Minnesota, 282 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:29.359 and Oklahoma. 283 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.440 We're still in the top, yes, in the city and 284 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.720 state and that and the significant significant thing about that 285 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.000 too is it's two separate sources as well. 286 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:44.839 Yes, and I will put all the sources that we 287 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:49.000 are discussing today in a ways to learn and understand more. 288 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:50.119 I'll put in the show notes. 289 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:55.960 Yes, of course, yes, absolutely so. And another significant work 290 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.920 that's being done is with Sovereign Bodies Institute. They're doing 291 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:06.640 significant work as well with that, and they have excellent sources. 292 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.519 As if someone because I put in the show notes 293 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.359 just in case someone wants some to do more investigation 294 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:15.200 on their own and just a little bit exactly what 295 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.359 we're talking about. They can look it up and see 296 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:23.359 it for themselves. Yes, so we were talking about you 297 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:28.200 mentioned how all this legislation is new, so within the 298 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:32.559 past decade or so. Okay, so what there still are 299 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.440 We know there were some systemic barriers, and there still 300 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.079 are systemic barriers. And I don't think I'm just people 301 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:45.680 don't understand systems. What happens when systems are in place 302 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.680 to keep truth from coming to the surface. You know, 303 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:52.440 a lot of people look at things as, oh, this 304 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.839 is this is an individual basis. But as you stated before, 305 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.720 what happens to you happens to us. It's all interconnected. 306 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.480 And what a lot of people don't understand is that 307 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.759 it's a it's on a continuum, so it can go 308 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:10.680 past to the next generation and the next generation, it 309 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.359 can be passed to the next person, the next ethnicity, 310 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:17.359 you know, and so anything that's happening to someone else 311 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:23.240 it should still concern us. So what are the systemic 312 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.240 barriers which contribute to the lack of awareness and that 313 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.720 make it difficult to find the lost relatives. 314 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:34.640 Okay, so you've already addressed one, Miss Robrina, and that 315 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:38.079 would be there is still a lot of systemic racism 316 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.960 and oppression in journalism and reporting that's being done and 317 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.640 we are which is subject to you know, colorism and 318 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:53.400 basically valuing not valuing brown and black lives, if that 319 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.599 makes sense, you know, And that's been consistent since I 320 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.559 was a child. That is an ongoing We're going into 321 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:04.039 decades now of certain groups are privileged or getting the 322 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:08.559 awareness out there. So that's the number one problem. Number 323 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:13.039 two would be the ways that the laws and people's 324 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:17.400 lack of understanding for tribal sovereignty. What that means tribes 325 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.160 like I'm an en World citizen of my tribal nation, 326 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:24.960 so we have a sovereign political, legal status. We aren't 327 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.599 just a racial, ethnic cultural group. We actually have a 328 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:32.559 legal and political identity in this country. So that requires 329 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:37.359 that state, local, federal governments, and tribal governments must all 330 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.319 talk to one another. And for example, in this state 331 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.960 that I'm residing in, Nebraska, they had to pass legislation 332 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:49.440 in order to make an easier process so that this 333 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:55.960 data can be collected and collected accurately and communicated across lines. 334 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:03.240 And third, there's also been a tendency to erase Native 335 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.440 American women. First of all, we're racing Native Americans in general, 336 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:11.640 indigenous people, but we have particularly silentced, deliberately the voices 337 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.640 of Native American women, indigenous women to reinforce you know, 338 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.079 the tropes. I'm sure you've seen these over the years 339 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:23.000 of romantic trope, or you look at the way Sacacaea 340 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:28.119 or Poconas or whatever we're supposed to embody. This mythical, 341 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.799 fictionalized diversion of what a

Native woman is and what 342 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:35.920 that has done forth has led to an exotification and 343 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:39.200 a commodification of our bodies, you know, a dehumanizing of 344 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:41.599 who we are as women. You know, if you don't 345 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:48.440 value us as a human as we were almost considered 346 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:55.200 inanimate objects. We're objectified in society. And then more modern 347 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.160 when we started moving on to reservations, of course, which 348 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.480 was systematic and deliberate. That creates a lot of isolation. 349 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.000 So in many areas it's very rural, you know, where 350 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.319 you may have to use satellite phones, for example, in 351 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.640 certain areas, and it's not like you know, it's it's 352 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:16.960 not like TV. So people have a very Hollywood commodification 353 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.079 version of what life is like. And if you're talking 354 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.039 about real area, that's not the same lifestyle. It's not 355 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.279 just a call nine to one one and someone's going 356 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.880 to react, you know, where some states have maybe one 357 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.920 or two federal investigators working on these cases. 358 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:39.359 Maybe Yeah, you know you said the dehumanization. One thing 359 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:44.400 I talk about a lot on this podcast is in 360 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.519 Mango Day, how we are all made in the image 361 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:53.119 of God. And when you view people that way, it 362 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:58.079 changes how you see them. You actually do see them 363 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:03.039 instead of as whatever this ethnicosophy is, or I disagree 364 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.640 with this person's politics, or I don't believe in what 365 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.279 this person believes in. But if you truly see a 366 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:14.720 person made in the image of God, which God has 367 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.880 called us to do, that completely changes how you interact 368 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:24.880 with a person, with a people group, you know, it 369 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.000 becomes very much so more of like you said, relative, 370 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:33.759 this is my family. If God made me, God made them, 371 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:36.960 you know, and it just it's just a different way 372 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.920 of seeing something you just mentioned. Though I wanted to 373 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.880 go back to when you talked about I want to 374 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:48.400 go back, how for people who to understand when you 375 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.839 talked about how the laws have to be how they 376 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.039 have to be changed, and how you are sovereign nation 377 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.720 because you are a citizen of your particular tribe. So 378 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.559 when you are bringing up the issue and you're saying, hey, 379 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:09.519 this is a serious problem and we need something or 380 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:13.079 we need someone to pay attention to this. So how 381 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:17.079 does it work within your nation to get to a 382 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:20.319 congressman or a senator to actually say, hey, yeah, you 383 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:22.400 know what, I think we do need some legislation on this. 384 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:28.720 Okay, So I can speak to a couple of direct 385 00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:32.559 experiences and then what I've been able to an honor 386 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:38.119 to learn from my from my sisters, my fellow mostly 387 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:44.559 women in the cause. It's it's a bonafide grassroots activism. 388 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:50.440 It is the it is the heart of the nation. 389 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:53.359 There's the fame a saying in my tribe, a nation 390 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.200 is not conquered until the hearts of the women are 391 00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:00.720 on the ground. It is the mother's, grandmothers, auntie's or 392 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.839 you know, true spirit people who identify as a woman, 393 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.559 it is they are doing the work. They are doing 394 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:10.519 the work they were the ones consistently, not just recently, 395 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:16.119 decades ago, talking to representatives, talking to law enforcement. This 396 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.240 has been going on a long time. So in some 397 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.720 ways we stand on the shoulders of our ancestors and 398 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.160 their prayers. To even see some of this legislation being 399 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.720 ratified today. You know that could have been a prayer 400 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.440 being said one hundred years ago. You know, this is 401 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.039 we always have to keep in mind that this is 402 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.400 way bigger than us. You know, there's no room for 403 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.039 ego in the movement. I guess so with MMIW, if 404 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.079 I don't say now, I may forget, kind of like 405 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.079 I said with Native education, this is everyone's problem. It's 406 00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:54.440 all hands on deck. It is not. It can't just 407 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:58.680 be the group being harmed doing the advocacy. It's a 408 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.160 human rights issue. We have to blow people's eyes wide 409 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:02.720 open to that. 410 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:05.880 You know, I agree. 411 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:10.000 Yes, like you were saying, it's

happening to African American again, 412 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:17.599 outrageously high numbers, African American women being targeted, girls, cold 413 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.200 cases not being investigated, and now we're actually seeing more 414 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.839 boys of color, Native American boys, African American boys being 415 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:30.359 targeted as well for trafficking and other unfortunately connected issues. 416 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:36.279 So just this one cause. So I want to stress 417 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.640 this is interrelated. We are interconnected. 418 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.279 So I do like to focus on the church because 419 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:48.160 sometimes I don't think the church wants to acknowledge or 420 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.720 see certain things that are happening, Like there's certain what 421 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.599 is the war, certain causes that they kind of stick to. 422 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.440 But I am interested in I'm not saying all churches, 423 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:09.079 but there are some, yes, yes, but for churches who 424 00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.240 are who are there might be people who are saying, 425 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.960 oh my goodness, I had no idea, And now that 426 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.720 I'm aware, I would like for our church to be 427 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:22.400 educated on this. And so what can the church as 428 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:28.920 a whole, the body of Christ do to help support 429 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.039 and bringing awareness to the issue of missing and murdered 430 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.880 women and girls, relatives, sisters, or what is what can 431 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.920 they do to assist in preventing and and help finding 432 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.480 some of our stolen sisters? 433 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:51.279 Okay, so I guess I would have to back it up. 434 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:55.160 This can be, This isn't impossible. And yes, I'm aware 435 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.839 that some churches are religious organizations. You know, there's not 436 00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:03.880 a tendency to run into to activism. However, I grew 437 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:10.119 up with church mentor spiritual advisors who were very more 438 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.920 activists oriented. You know, if we look at certain causes 439 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.960 like civil rights comes to mind for our voting, you 440 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.119 know that that is most certainly under the purview of activism. 441 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:28.000 So but when let's focus specifically on the Native recognitionists, 442 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.559 it's probably going to require a lot of reckoning and 443 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:35.559 reconciling of our histories. For example, I'm a scholar in 444 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:43.119 Native American education, et cetera. The churches were complicit in 445

00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:47.720 the assimilation or at times determination of Native American cultures. 446 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.640 We saw that in the boarding school era. So there 447 00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:55.200 has to be a recognizing of that painful history and 448 00:29:55.240 --> 00:30:01.079 then an accountability to it. So it's not just a 449 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.160 you know, coming in and being a savior. It's about 450 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.759 really understanding how that piece of history is indeed connected 451 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.480 to what we see today because of the historical trauma 452 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.160 and the atrocities that we're committed. You know, many of 453 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.160 the explorers back in the day, we're not just working 454 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.599 for their monarchs, but they were in their minds working 455 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.839 for God if you will. You know, there was very 456 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:28.279 much a perpetuation of that of making it okay to 457 00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:35.279 brutalize other human groups or obviously to oppress us. So 458 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.440 that would be my first big suggestion is we have 459 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:44.079 to start talking about those things. And if you don't 460 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.359 want to use sermon, time find but we can find ways. 461 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.839 And I know there's churches who are trying to do 462 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.640 this that where we have to facilitate some of these 463 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:57.160 conversations in different manners, different ways. You can host the film, 464 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:02.200 you can do many things to get dialogue. Secondly, in 465 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.720 order for healing to happen, we have to start talking 466 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.480 about it, so we can pray about it with one another. 467 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.880 If that makes sense, you know some of us, I 468 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:19.079 will switch gears and go into survive remote. When I 469 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:26.279 first came out about my abuse, I remember just coming 470 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.960 out of one state of paralysis into another, like okay, 471 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.920 well what do I do now? And it was indeed 472 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.240 a prayer ceremony that got me through the majority of 473 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.759 those first stages of healing. And so this is an 474 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:46.720 opportunity for us to come together as different creeds faiths, 475 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:52.200 if you will, and unite under prayer. And I believe 476 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.400 Jesus himself to be very radical in his own work 477 00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:57.640 that he did. 478 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.839 So it's not necessarily looking at this as just an 479 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:08.039 activism type of thing to get involved in. But it 480 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:14.359 is an actual humanity issue, is really what it is. 481 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.400 And it sounds like what you're saying is that we 482 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.119 need to which this has been a theme in the 483 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:26.079 past few years with the Church acknowledging our sins, repenting 484 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:33.920 from those sins, and reconciling to get to restoration. It 485 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.720 seems like that's just the It's been the theme I've 486 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.200 noticed for the past couple of years, and I'm not 487 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.000 sure why. As Christians, a lot of us are so 488 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:47.039 reluctant to repent on these types of issues. We talk 489 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.599 about repentance all the time, and it is through repentance 490 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.720 that we also get to know get closer to the 491 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.039 Lord and know his love, to be able to show 492 00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.319 his love to others. 493 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.599 Two things to that. Again, I can use my own 494 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:07.680 walk or my own mother who's she's a prayer warrior. 495 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.160 Some people just have that gift to them. They just 496 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.000 I would presume you Dotube Robrina, by the beautiful prayer 497 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.200 you offered in the beginning, I would say a couple 498 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.400 of things come to mind. One, it's an arrogance when 499 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.680 you are when you keep asking for forgiveness of the 500 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.240 same sin over and it's an arrogance that you feel 501 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.640 as though you cannot be absolved or cleansed, which becomes 502 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.680 an irrational guilt or shame if you will, and you'll 503 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:40.119 be trapped in that cycle instead of truly thinking if God, 504 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:47.440 Creator Jesus can liberate you of that sin. So that's 505 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.519 the first thing that comes to mind. It's a very humans. 506 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.599 We're more similar than you believe sometimes right, And while 507 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.480 I will keep saying yes the American when we have 508 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.759 been actively targeting it and are actively targeted, I want 509 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:05.920 people to understand this is human behavior. We have these 510 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.960 patterns with other groups, and it is about understanding we 511 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:16.960 can change and letting go of the perceived power in 512 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.119 our institutions, churches, schools, wherever that may be. So I 513 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.519 guess my second piece of advice to that would be 514 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.719

in the more older I get, the more I don't know, 515 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:33.440 I believe Creator humbles me more and more every day. 516 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.360 I remember the day with my own children when I 517 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.440 had to completely allow God to take control, and it 518 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.639 was the scariest thing I've ever done as a mother. 519 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.119 So we have to be willing to forego whatever control 520 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.280 we think we have and be and allow God to 521 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:01.079 work amongst us or the spirit. Like we found out 522 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.719 the other day when we first clicked. It's this is 523 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:09.320 much bigger than us. Yes, And I'm not saying that 524 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.039 I'm still happy when I let God take conture. I'm 525 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.440 not saying I haven't backslit or doubted myself or been 526 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.480 scared or fearful as a mother. But it was the 527 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.480 most humbling, courageous things, scariest thing I had to do 528 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.320 as a mother. And yet I'm glad I did it 529 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.519 because it taught me how so much more wisdom. I'm 530 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:31.800 not sure if that made sense, Miss Robina, and I 531 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.400 guess I'm relating that to the story. You asked me, 532 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.599 what's my story? That's part of my story. You know. 533 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.599 I constantly try to reiterate things or iterate things for 534 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:49.639 people in my story because I know it's scary, this 535 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.440 is hard work. We have to stay in prayer. Before 536 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:58.159 I got if I can take the liberty, before I 537 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.800 was sharing with Miss Robina, I met for coffee. Before 538 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:05.480 I even stepped foot into the scholar activism or the 539 00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.719 community activism of MMW missing and murdered in just Women, 540 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:17.000 I stayed in prayer for a year beforehand, I had heard, 541 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:18.679 you know, I was at some of the pre planning 542 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:20.920 for legislation in our state with you know, missing a 543 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.960 murdered Native American women activism atacy, and I was in 544 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.000 prayer for a full year because I knew it was 545 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.760 going to be like facing literal evil in the faith. 546 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.960 It's evil. All of this abuse, trafficking, destroying families, murder, abuse, 547 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.000 it's evil. And I knew that if I was not 548 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.760 getting myself centered and grounded with my God, with Creator, 549 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.480 my ale, I knew I was going to struggle. And 550 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:54.199 I still struggle, and that's okay, going back to prayer. 551 00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:59.239 So those would be the three things. I suggest more 552 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.199 practical things too, you know, let's let me not be 553 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.599 arrogant and assume people are not praying and doing the 554 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.000 work or whatever I would say, especially if people are 555 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.159 out trying to walk an allyship. It's really important that 556 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.639 you look at your own stuff. This work can be triggering. 557 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:21.079 So really doing your own self healing self care is 558 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.519 really it's it'll it'll get you a long way. This 559 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:27.480 is not work for the lighthearted. You really have to 560 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.400 take care of yourself in it, if that makes sense. 561 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.320 And then Secondly, I've already suggested this, but I think 562 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.440 churches should start hosting community conversations. Actually, one of one 563 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.039 of my suggestions is podcasts like our wonderful hostess is 564 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:48.000 doing for us. Thank you for setting that example, and 565 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.440 I mean that with all due respect and from my heart, 566 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.679 and then continuing to do work with like shelters or 567 00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.280 domestic violence. This is these are connected issues going on, 568 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:07.440 co occurring disorders DV, supporting our families. If people are 569 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.880 more savvy, they most certainly can write to their federal. 570 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.440 I'm going to put a list of ways that you 571 00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.079 can educate yourself more on this topic, and then also 572 00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:22.840 ways that you can bring awareness awareness to this topic. 573 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:26.239 And there are also ways that you can support, whether 574 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.599 it's a donation or any of the other ways that 575 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.599 a doctor yellow Robe are listed. So she and I 576 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.440 will get together a list and we will definitely put 577 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.480 them in the show notes. Well, I do want to 578 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.239 thank you so much for sitting with me in conversation, 579 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.440 Doctor Yellowrobe. I do hope that this was educational for 580 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.239 some of those of you who are already aware. I 581 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.519 hope this was just a reinforcement of what you know 582 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.440 and that you heard some things that were encouraging you 583 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.239 in your work and in your walk. And yeah, I 584 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.679 just want to thank you again for all the work 585 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:05.119 that you do. 586 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.239 Oh, thank you, Nai. That's chient for thank you. Yes, 587 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.760 of course, absolutely, this was an honor and you know, 588 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.000 I think we should really thank you miss Robrena future 589 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.840 doctor Robrina. One day, I'll put that into the universe 590 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:22.800 for you speak that. I really think it's important that 591 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:27.760 you're doing this work and you're bringing together intercultural women 592 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.000 across different groups, you know, I think that's critical as 593 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.400 well to show light and cast light. 594 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.880 Remember May fifth is the National Day of Awareness for 595 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.639 Missing and Murdered the Native Women and Girls. And like 596 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.679 I said, we'll have some links in the show notes 597 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.679 for you to get more education and awareness about it 598 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:52.719 and hopefully, prayerfully you can support an organization doing this work. 599 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.880 Thanks again, Colette, I appreciate you. 600 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.599 Of course you're welcome. 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