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Welcome to the Forever Hallmark Christmas Podcast.
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A lot of Hallmark podcasts out there.
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We are the only ones who talk about Christmas movies year round.
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My name is Rich, as always, joined by my Christmas cousin Renee.
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How's it going, buddy?
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It's going very well, Rich.
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We're getting through some technical issues, but we're we're doing it now.
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I think we got it all fixed and we're ready to go.
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Yes, sir.
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Uh we're officially into week number two of Countdown to Christmas.
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And you ready to talk a little forgotten holiday?
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I am quite ready.
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I did not forget to talk about this one.
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Me neither.
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I'm ready for it.
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And uh let's give a little spoiler, Renee, because we're going to be dropping some spoilers talking about the plot, the storyline.
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Uh and if you have not seen this movie and you want to fire up Hallmark Plus, give it a watch first and then come back and listen to our podcast.
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You can go ahead and do that now.
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But Forgotten Holiday premiered on the Hallmark Channel October 24th, 2026, and is now available to stream on Hallmark Plus.
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It stars Janelle Parrish as Catherine and Daniel Lissing as Rob.
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We have a story credit to Lee Freelander, and the script itself was written by the great Tracy Andreen.
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Our little holiday hook on this one.
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When her boyfriend loses his memory after she rejects his proposal, an antique spire retraces their romance to bring him back, risking a second heartbreak when the truth returns.
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Now, Renee, we did a fantasy football style draft where we drafted 28 Hallmark Christmas movies with our friends Gary and Amy from Poor the Wine.
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It's rom-com time.
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This movie went number 11 overall, the fantasy draft.
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It was drafted by Gary in round number three.
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So if you guys want to have some fun, you go back and listen to that podcast from about a month ago.
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We drafted the 28 movies that Gary, Amy, Renee, and I all wanted to see the most.
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All right, Renee.
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What'd you think of this one?
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This movie reminded me of that movie with Sandra Bullock while you were sleeping.
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Not exactly, but in a way, right?
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The premise is super cute.
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Uh if I woke up with no memory and Janelle Parrish is my girlfriend, I would be very stoked.
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I would be totally excited about that.
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Uh, I really like this movie.
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First and foremost, I thought they were a great pairing, great supporting cast, and it's a good story.
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And really, I found it to be excellent dialogue.
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I gravitate to a movie with good dialogue, and this movie had it for sure.
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This movie is a joy for me to review today.
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So when I first read the synopsis on this, I'm going, oh, I'm not sure.
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I look back to where I rated this in our fantasy draft, and I kind of had like right around 16 or 17, kind of middle of the pack, because amnesia movies can go really good or they can go really sideways, just depending on who's writing it.
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And we had no idea who wrote this one.
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So as I started watching, and as soon as I saw the words teleplay by Tracy Andrew and I go, okay, this is gonna be a good movie.
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And you know what?
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I was not disappointed.
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I thought it was a really, really good movie.
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Renee, I'm gonna take a step.
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I thought this was a great movie.
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Yeah, and it would not surprise me at the end of the year if this is a contender for movie of the year when it comes to the 2026 Christmas movies.
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I know we're early on, but I thought it was really, really solid.
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The draft is interesting because we don't know who the writers are, and I think we our draft would definitely be skewed if we saw Tracy Andrew, Friend of the Pod, Julie Sherman Wolfe, and all those people that we like.
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Like that would skew our drafting.
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So it's kind of cool that we don't know who wrote this, and this is like a pleasant surprise.
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Yeah, we we knew a few of the writers, not all of them, but yeah, you're you're absolutely right.
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This was a pleasant surprise when I saw her words come across, like, okay, this is the fourth movie of hers that we've we've never given less than a 4.5 to any one of her movies.
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I mean, it's Christmas Eve, Snowbride.
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Uh, we know she uh did part of the writing process for a kiss before Christmas.
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So we've we've loved all of her movies so far.
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And I don't
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think uh this one's an exception.
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I agree.
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All right, let's let's hear about your likes.
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Well, one of the things I really liked right away is I like how Catherine said she likes dinner when he asked her out for dinner or a coffee, and she goes, Yeah, I like dinner.
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You know, he's stumbling, hesitating.
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I like that she didn't make him work for it so much.
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Just like I looked like she was attracted to him.
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And yeah, you're asking me out.
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I'm saying yes.
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I thought that was awesome.
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I love that.
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I like how the first day it was she joins her to make Christmas cookies with the family.
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That is a huge like meeting the parents and the family on date one is nuts.
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So I really do like that she did that.
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I thought it was a cool writing scene.
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Uh I loved it.
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You know, their schedule was right around Christmas, so it's tough to get them to line up a day.
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That was awesome.
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And I like Rob talking to his sister Amy, telling her that he is proposing to her and how she is perfect, and he knew it from the moment he met her.
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And she says, you know, you can't stand next to someone if you're looking up at them.
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And at first I thought that line's a little kind of cheesy, but I was like, you know, I get it.
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If you're putting this person on a pedestal, which is what he was kind of doing, then really you're not seeing them, you're not seeing the everything about them sometimes, right?
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Not gonna happen to all of us in in the early days for sure.
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It hadn't been a year now.
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We had a little time travel forward.
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But uh, you know, I found that the dialogue was so good.
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Tons of stuff that I liked, and one last thing that I really liked.
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There was a little scene with the snow globe.
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Enough said about that.
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Of course, you love anything with a snow globe, Renee's a good to be a fan of.
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I love what Rob says.
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Being it in a Christmas element is his jam.
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I go, yep, being in the Christmas element, that's my jam as well.
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So I'm uh kindred spirits with Rob on that one.
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Uh Rob's new house is
awesomely decorated.
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It's got like five bedrooms.
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We only saw kind of the main living area, but I'd love to have seen the whole house.
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Okay, this is not a happy moment, but from an acting performance, the look on Rob's face when Catherine runs out of the proposal moment, he is just destroyed.
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And Daniel Lissing playing that part.
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Wow.
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The guy looked like he was just gonna start crying right there, didn't know what to do.
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Just uh just a really powerful moment of the movie.
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He plays I've seen I've seen him play hurt before in a movie.
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He plays hurt feelings very well.
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He's really good at that.
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Yeah, you mentioned Rob and Amy, I like their brother-sister relationship, but that was really a good part of the movie.
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When Rob and Catherine both fall asleep during the nutcracker performance, because ballet can get a little bit slow.
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I've seen the nutcracker, and it's like, okay, I I get it sometimes.
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Uh Catherine in the green dress at the auction at the end of the movie there instead of the normal red dress, really cool.
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I like the change up there.
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Chris.
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Yeah, and really great music throughout the movie.
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I always notice when I have a lot of great music throughout a film, and I liked it in this one a lot.
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Alright, now comes the tough part because we really struggle on every single Tracy Andreen movie.
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If there's anything we would fix or rewrites, anything uh that caught your eye?
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This movie was no exception.
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I had really, really dig, like what would I rewrite in this?
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Honestly, I couldn't find a rewrite, but I did find a scene that it was more of the filming.
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And the story is solid.
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I really couldn't find anything.
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Except the crash scene was kind of weak.
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I mean, it looked like a soap opera crash scene, you know, not to not to knock on soap operas.
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When I would get sick in school, I would watch soap operas all the time.
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I love Days of Our Life.
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But you know, that scene, I don't know.
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I felt like that could have been better.
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But aside from that, I I was digging, I could not find a scene to rewrite at all.
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What did you come up with?
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So the only thing I really found, this these are so minimal, but when Rob's at the cookie decorating with her family, and when Rob goes around and introduces Catherine, he goes, you know, this is Amy, my sister, this is Craig, my brother-in-law, then he just goes, niece, nephew, points to them.
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Can we give them names, Renee?
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He doesn't even say, like, yeah, this is my niece, so and so, my nephew.
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So he just says, niece, nephew, let's let's give him some names.
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That was funny.
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Um, and then again, this has nothing to do with the writing, but the auction at the end, most of the guys are in three-piece suits, a couple guys in tuxedos, and then you have Rob, he's kind of wearing this black t-shirt with a couple buttons and a coat.
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I'm all, can we at least make Rob fit in in terms of dress?
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But really, Renee, I mean, I thought the script itself was really airtight, as most Tracy Andrew scripts are.
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They're really hard to poke any holes in.
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They're just they're just really solid, and and that was the case with this movie as well.
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All right, do you have a favorite moment?
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I do.
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And I wish I had crossed it out from one of my likes because I do all my likes and then I roll it over to my favorite moment.
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And it really is the call and the setup of the first date.
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I like that she agreed to that, leading to them in the kitchen making cookies.
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I thought it was a super cute scene.
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Introduction to everyone.
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And the brother, I love when the brother-in-law says, She's not funny looking at all.
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I thought that was so funny, typical of what a brother-in-law would say.
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I enjoyed the scene of introductions.
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She rolled, no pun intended, with all the cookie-making activities.
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Just a really nice start to a date and a relationship.
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Plus, all the cookies looked delicious.
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So, my favorite moment, it's it's a kind of a long scene, but it's the scene where Rob has fixed the jukebox, he puts in the music, and then he and Catherine have a dance.
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Uh, and then Rob leaves for a minute, and Amy and Catherine, Amy comes over, and Amy and Catherine kind of have a very heart-to-heart talk about Rob.
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And then once Amy leaves, Rob and Catherine continue their dance.
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That was that was kind of a long scene, but a bunch of stuff that went to it.
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But I I just really enjoyed that whole thing.
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I love the visual of the jukebox being fixed and him putting the uh the record in there.
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Another scene I really liked was also Catherine telling the story about their first kiss.
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So yeah, there's a there's a few really good scenes in this movie.
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Yeah, it's great.
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All right, we love our supporting characters and we'll always call out maybe uh one who deserves a little more screen time.
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Who are you going with?
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Well, she got a lot of screen time, but I really liked Amy.
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We got plenty of scenes with her.
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I just found her to be such a great sister.
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I'm an oldest brother.
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I don't have any sisters.
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I wish I was half as good as she was with her younger siblings.
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I just found her just so amazing.
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And she was a really good friend to Catherine as well, right?
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So even though it's her brother, she was really genuine and cared about Catherine.
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A tribute to Tracy Andrine.
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She's such a solid writer.
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She wrote a solid character, a well-grounded character, just really well done.
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I loved Amy a lot.
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So first I was gonna go with the mom Meryl, but you know what?
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She had a pretty decent amount of screen time.
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In the end, the guy who I wanted to see a little bit more of was Craig, Amy's husband.
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You already mentioned him.
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He had some great one-liners.
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I think with any brother-in-law, you're gonna have kind of that fun banter back and forth.
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Um, and I would love to have seen a few more scenes with Craig because I did like the scenes that he was in.
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He, you know, he had time with Rob there at the hospital.
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But yeah, I'm gonna go with Craig as my best supporting character.
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Again, we always call Who Deserved More Screen Time?
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I wanted to see a little bit more of Craig.
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Yeah, he's I'm good.
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All right, we all we always call out a few Hallmark logic checks here.
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That's a segment we called Are We Sure.
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I have a good I've got a few.
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How about you?
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I I actually had several.
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My first one was with when she goes to buy, uh it was like a camera or something.
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Would Catherine just hand her credit card and walk away buying a$4,000 projector?
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I think if I hand anybody my credit card buying$4,000, I'm standing right there next to them for a little bit.
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That blew me away.
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It's like, okay, unless she knew the guy, I don't know.
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And then uh as a person who spent some time in the hospital, they don't let you walk out of a hospital.
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I don't care how healthy you are.
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If you were a patient, you get rolled out in a wheelchair, no matter what.
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Unless they're having a crisis and they're out of wheelchairs or something.
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So when him him walking out of the hospital, I'm like, nope, that doesn't happen.
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And it kind of made me laugh when though it was a funny scene when they went to a restaurant to reenact their first date, they sat at a table for like six people with a giant centerpiece in between them.
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It was a funny scene, but I was like, the place wasn't crowded.
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They couldn't get a table for two.
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And uh my last one, I did have a lot, are we sure?
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Is in this one actually.
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But could Rob really afford a five-bedroom house in New York?
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I get that he has his own business, but darn, that is an impressive purchase in New York.
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And that house was not small.
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I don't know how he did that.
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I want to know how much money he was making.
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I have more, but that was those were my main ones.
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So character we haven't talked about is Zoe, uh, Catherine's friend.
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And a couple of minutes in, Catherine had just met Rob.
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Uh, they've known each other for like literally, I don't know, five minutes.
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And we asked Catherine, do you like him?
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Or do you like him like him?
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I'm all, what they just met?
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Are we sure?
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Like if you were a friend, you know, you'd really be saying that to your friend, you know, like, is this the guy kind of thing when you know they're maybe just talking about going out on a first date?
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So I wasn't sure about that.
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Maybe we need our ladies and our homework listeners to tell us because we're two guys.
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Guys will definitely not talk like that, but maybe women speak that way.
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I don't know.
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Maybe maybe they do.
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Let us know.
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So when Rob went back to the fancy restaurant, Shea Florence, uh, he didn't know about the dress code, but he chose that restaurant a year ago.
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So you had to assume he'd been there before.
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So that that didn't quite make sense to me.
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He should have known there was no dress code because he would have been there before and in and knew what the dress code was.
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And the last one I have here, so remember when they took the carriage ride?
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They talk about when they first met.
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Are we sure that wouldn't have been like the very first thing like they would have talked about like maybe leaving when he was still in the hospital or soon after?
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But that would have been one of the very first things they would talk about.
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I don't think they would have waited that long until that carriage ride uh a few days in.
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But that's all I got.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Are Rob and Catherine gonna last as a couple?
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Yeah.
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I mean, they got to know each other in a different way, albeit like in three weeks' time span, right?
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Three to four weeks.
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He'd already fallen in love with her about a year into it.
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And but then he seemed to see her more of her, I think, you know, see the real her and not put her up on a pedestal like I talked about earlier.
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So I think, you know, and he said to her, I fell in love with you twice now.
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So absolutely, they're gonna they're gonna last.
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It was fast on the second time, but yeah, lots of love between them all the way.
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Yeah, I like this movie way too much to say they're not gonna make it.
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So yeah, they look really good together.
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These guys are absolutely gonna last.
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I don't know what else to say.
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They're uh they're in it for the long All right, nobody raced a kiss quite like Forever Hallmark Christmas.
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We call it the mistletoe meter.
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We give it a letter grade, like we're back in school, A to F, and we kind of had two kisses here.
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What do you uh what are you thinking about the kisses here in the movie?
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Okay, that kiss on when they said, I really want to kiss you, and they kiss each other.
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In that moment, I saw that kiss.
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I said, That's an A-kiss.
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It's Hallmark.
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They don't go crazy, they're not like Mac and down, you know, crazy, but it was a solid kiss.
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It was a very beautiful moment.
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I loved it.
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Yeah, I'll jump in right here.
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So, yeah, that was the end of Act Seven, and I'm I'm exactly with you.
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It was the perfect appropriate kiss for that moment.
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Yes.
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And I think it was the best of the two kisses of the movie.
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We had the final kiss at the end, but I thought this was actually the better of the two kisses.
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I agree.
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And is it weird that I was envious?
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She's lovely.
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The last kiss was good.
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I needed a little bit more.
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And nevertheless, I gave that one a B plus.
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So overall, between the two kisses, I'm giving them an A minus.
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I really like the first one actually in the whole scene.
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It was beautiful.
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We are we are definitely kindred spirits here because I wrote uh a B plus for the second kiss as well.
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A good sol, a good solid kiss.
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The kiss that I really liked it I'm a sucker for is kind of that walking kiss.
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And that very last second before the final credits started rolling, they're walking down the streets.
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Kind of, you could tell it was wet, it'd been raining, and they were kind of kissing as they were walking.
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And I like I like that whole kind of sequence there.
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So uh yeah, that final kiss sequence I gave a B plus two.
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I'm with you.
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I was an A on that first kiss at the end of Act Seven.
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So yeah, I go with an A-minus, kind of taking in all the kisses into account in the movie.
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Nice.
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All right, uh, it's something that I saw from Bill Simmons, the Rewatchables podcast.
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Uh, at the end, we always say who or what won the movie.
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This was a toss-up for me.
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It was between Tracy Andrine's writing, which I loved, and Janelle Parish's acting and charisma.
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I will say Janelle won this movie thanks to Tracy Andrine's excellent writing.
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How's that?
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I I will also say that we know that Lacey is the queen.
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I can see Janelle being next in line to the throne.
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I've now seen her in a couple movies.
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I've really just every time I see her, she's just growing on me.
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She has excellent charm and like ability.
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I loved her in sugar plumbed.
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I can see her becoming like the it hallmark lady in the future sometime.
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We'll see.
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Yeah, and I want to see her singing in some movies.
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We know she can sing, we know she's uh done some Broadway.
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I I want to see her sing in a movie.
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And yeah, kudos to both Janelle Parrish and Daniel Lissing.
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They were awesome, top-notch performances.
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I am going with Tracy Enderine Renee.
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It's it's the fourth movie we're reviewed of hers in every single time.
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I struggle to find any hole in her stories, in her plots, in her characters, in her dialogue.
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It's all so airtight.
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And this movie was no exception.
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Like I say, tough call.
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Jindel Parrish, Daniel Lissing, awesome.
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I'm gonna go with Tracy Andreen.
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It's the second time I've given her this award.
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I gave it to her for Snowbright as well, but yeah, I don't think you'll uh fault me for saying she was my MVP of this movie.
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Nah, not at all.
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Like I said, in part she was mine too.
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Boy, I struggled with this rating, Renee.
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It's like how high do you go when we still have 30 more movies to go with this countdown to Christmas?
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Then I'm I'm glad you have to go first.
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And our iconic symbol that we're gonna use is antique jukeboxes uh for our rating here.
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So you know, sometimes when I get jammed up, like, okay, what do I do?
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Do I do this or do that?
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And initially, like my gut said 4.5 antique jukeboxes, and I said, no way.
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It's like better than that.
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So I gave it 4.75 antique jukeboxes.
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I mean, I I don't know why I don't give it a five.
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Maybe it is a five, but for now I'm gonna say 4.75 antique jukeboxes.
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I loved, love this movie.
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Yeah, I got the exact same score you did, and I was the same thing.
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I was sitting there, do I give this a 4.5 so I have room for the all the rest of the movies, you know, that I don't end up with like a bunch of scores all right, 4, 7, 5, or 5.
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But I I too went 475.
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I think that's the right score for this movie.
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It's the same score that I gave Snowbride when we did our rescore.
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Uh, I mean, you're just a notch below that five, but 4.75 antique jukeboxes.
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We got the exact same score on this one.
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And uh, I think it was just a great, great movie.
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I'm glad you liked this as much as I did because sometimes I don't know with you.
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You know, you have a different eye than I do.
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And I was like, I don't see how Rich could not like this movie.
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But I would have been shocked if we disagreed on this somehow, but I'm glad that we're on the same page.
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So we're gonna be reviewing a lot of Hallmark movies during Countdown Christmas.
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Uh, follow us on Instagram, Forever Hallmark at Christmas, and we'll be uh updating every week as to what movies we'll be reviewing.
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We're gonna try to get to all 34, Renee.
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We we've kind of joked we might do it, we might not.
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We might have to do a few after the first of the year, but follow us on Instagram and you'll find out uh what movies we're reviewing for any given week.
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Email is forever hallmarkchristmas at gmail.com.
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Renee, I guess uh until our next movie review, let's keep it for the love of Hallmark.
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For the love of Hallmark.