התמלול המלא של FIVEAA Breakfast with Will Goodings and Stacey Lee - 19th August 2026

the ABC building at Collins with that you worked in yep for some time. I've been in before. They say the ABC building has local heritage value for its strong association with the development of broadcasting and public media and South Australia. Okay, that pass. 00:02:50 Speaker 6: Well, yep. 00:02:51 Speaker 5: Architecturally, the building is a distinctive and readily recognizable example of late Modern Brutalist influenced in institutional design in Adelaide's northeast, which is the kindest way of saying what I think. It's one of the ugliest buildings in Adelaide. It blows my mind that we consider heritage listing this building. And it may be wonder stage that phrasing about this, you know, late modern brutalist influenced institutional design. Are we just is it only a matter of ti? Are we fifty years away from there being a story in the advertiser about, I don't know, pick your favorite ugly student accommodation in the city. Yeah, they'll say, well, this is a clap prime example of early twenty first century prefab cheap student accommodation, which we should preserve because it was part of our you know, part of a time when the economy composed largely of students. My goodness, we surely not. Do you have any emotional attachment to the building? 00:03:49 Speaker 6: Absolutely not. No, I was always in favor. When I was there. There was a little bit of rumors that they might sell the building and move elsewhere, and I was the number one campaigner for it. I started the campaign within the building. I made the posters. I said, get us out of here. Not only is it annoying to get to, it's ugly, it looks really bad that it's full of asbestos. It's full right. 00:04:12 Speaker 5: I wasn't aware of that. 00:04:14 Speaker 6: The bottom couple floors where the ABC is actually based obviously have been redone and aren't well, I hope, aren't dangerous for the health of the people. But the higher up you go, the more dangerous it is. They've got a little gym up on level five or six. And when I say little, it's got about three pieces of equipment each about twenty years old, full of asbestos. And you go into the chain rooms and it's creepy. There was a bed which looks like it had stained bed sheets on it from thirty years ago. It's weird. My god, parts of the building are really weird. 00:04:44 Speaker 5: It sounds like some of it just should be bulldozed. 00:04:46 Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree. I but I think the issue for me would be if you bulldoze it, and because that would be prime land. 00:04:54 Speaker 8: Right colaid right there, It would be prime land for some sort of high medium den city housing or maybe you know lots of retirement villages are building up now. 00:05:05 Speaker 5: Be a great spot for retirement. 00:05:07 Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be great for that, But if you knocks down the building, I don't think the current zoning rules would allow you to build that high again, So you better off. 00:05:15 Speaker 5: Trying to repurpose it in somehow. But it is a weird sort of a building to try. 00:05:19 Speaker 6: To and that external the facade facade is unusual. There's a falcon living in one of the building the window. I guess what would you call it? Enclaves? No, one of the windows anyway, because the facade juts out of the building. 00:05:36 Speaker 5: Well, that's the other thing. That wouldn't be a lot of natural light. 00:05:38 Speaker 6: Oh no, it's terrible. It's the opposite of what we have here with big beautiful windows out over hind Marsh Square. You don't know what the weather is when you're in there. 00:05:47 Speaker 5: We've got us thinking eight double two three double O, double O Adelaide's ugliest buildings. What's the ugliest building in Adelaide. We're not trying to fit them up for heritage listing, although I think anything's possible after this one. You can text to on zero before eight zero thirty ninety five if you have a nomination. Is there one that particularly comes to mind? Might not even be in the city. It doesn't have to be in the city. Could be a suburban building that you think is quite ugly, or maybe you don't think it's ugly. Maybe like to refer to it as brutal, a distinctive and readily recognizable example of late Modern brutalist influenced architecture. Eight Dovil two or double tublow. 00:06:21 Speaker 6: I have a controversial, ugly building, go for it, Festival tower. 00:06:27 Speaker 5: That hasn't been the new one, the one. 00:06:29 Speaker 6: That's already there. 00:06:30 Speaker 5: Yeah, the one that's already there. 00:06:31 Speaker 6: It kind of reflects the light. And I know when you're at Government House, the Governor's not a fan because it reflects the light straight onto Government House. 00:06:39 Speaker 5: It's for a new building. It's very simple. 00:06:44 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just the reflective nature of it. Almost looks like a mirror when if you're driving down from the hills in the morning on a beautiful summers or spring sunny morning, you get it straight so you're right. 00:06:56 Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm coming from the other directions, so I don't see it, but okay, flicks straight off. That's that's a good nomination because that's just not the look of it. It's it's how it functions. Very odd eight double two three double O double O. Ugliest building mix says Uni Lodge just off West Terrace and carry behind the Aussie Peat's House looks like a prison. When I said, are we fifty years away from the potential heritage listing of That was the one I was actually picturing in my head. 00:07:23 Speaker 6: Mist the one with all the different sized winness almost looks like a block of cheese. 00:07:27 Speaker 5: Yes, that's right. Yeah. Actually, I've generally got a fairly broad palette when it comes to architecture. I'm not fussed if things are a bit weird and different. But the ABC, I just can't imagine, especially where it is and our need for that. You know, as you said, of various types of accommodation. A few calls coming

here. What we might do is take a quick break and get to them in a moment. The ugliest buildings in Adelaide all use of thoughts on the heritage listing of the ABC. Folks were fascinated by that zero four zero eight thirteen ninety five the text line number. 00:07:58 Speaker 2: Double A Breakfast extremely live right now to watch, simply head to five double A on Facebook or YouTube. Knockdown bill two with Metro Homes, Sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment. 00:08:11 Speaker 3: Metro Homes. They do it all for you. 00:08:14 Speaker 4: Will goodings with Stacy Lee. This is five double A Breakfast. 00:08:18 Speaker 5: Twenty one minutes after six, taking your calls on ugly buildings, the percent potential heritage listing of the ABC of building which we're getting buried thoughts, they're not everyone agrees. Some people I think, who'd we get? Someone texted in saying they think there's some merit in the concept. Let's go to Lorrie and hand in morning, Laurie, how are you? 00:08:35 Speaker 7: Will say? 00:08:36 Speaker 5: Good mate? 00:08:39 Speaker 7: Just having dinner with a friend that works in the ABC building and he said to me, it's got concrete cancer. The outside of the building, bits of cement fall off. 00:08:51 Speaker 5: Of it, right every once in a while. 00:08:53 Speaker 7: Shit, And then the inside, the inside's got he recossents it. 00:08:58 Speaker 9: Part of the building. 00:08:59 Speaker 7: It's been condemned because the ceiling has collapsed and there's an exposed beam cross. 00:09:07 Speaker 5: But it doesn't doesn't make sound like a compelling case to have it salvaged. 00:09:11 Speaker 6: None of that surprises me does someone who worked there for a few years. 00:09:15 Speaker 3: That sounds yip. 00:09:16 Speaker 5: Thank you, Laurie. I appreciate your inside in fo Let's go to Seaford Trevor, good morning. 00:09:21 Speaker 10: Good morning. 00:09:23 Speaker 9: The hugliest redesign building in athletes it's got to be the Old Queen Big extension with that cream based on the high price apartment set. I don't know what the architect's got for that, but they should have got light. 00:09:43 Speaker 5: Thank you. Happy to take your more dominations for ugliest buildings in Adelaide. When we say ad laid to, we don't just mean the city. It might be in the suburbs. It feels like it's less likely to read off the top of my head even think of one example of an ugly regional building. 00:09:57 Speaker 6: No, jeez, Usually they're beautiful old building. 00:10:00 Speaker 5: That's right. 00:10:01 Speaker 6: Yeah, Hello, someone has said ugliest building. Crown Plaza Hotel Mawson Lakes. That's from Dean in Flinders Pas. 00:10:08 Speaker 5: I drove. I drove past that the other day and I thought, what's going on out here? I presume it's for students maybe or people that are traveling out to the campus. Out there. It feels like an old place for them to be a crowned plaza. All of a sudden, Yeah, I didn't actually consider that what

it looked like, Dane. I was more taken by where it was. I thought, I mean, it's a long way from the city, maybe visiting academics or some something. Yeah, potentially, potentially that's an odd one. 00:10:35 Speaker 6: Defense hubs out there, some big defense companies, So if they've got people traveling from into state, maybe. 00:10:40 Speaker 5: They've Patty said Amy Stadium was ugly, and he said that because he knows it holds a special place in my heart. But he said that to hurt me. But from behind his ra Charles Glasses out. 00:10:51 Speaker 6: There, I can see Will's heartbreaking. 00:10:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. I mean it wasn't pretty, but had heart, it had character, it had concrete. Gary Collins were good morning. 00:11:02 Speaker 10: Good morning. You're just talking about rents. Yes, I just listened to Mark Butler saying no, rents won't go up much. Well, I'm afraid he's wrong there, because you used to pay ten dollars a week rent on a year like going up. The last two years have been twenty five dollars a week, which is about thirteen hundred dollars a year. So it'll go at my shoulging the next year thirty or thirty five dollars. So yeah, it's not it's not going down rents, that's for sure. 00:11:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great intel gery. 00:11:34 Speaker 6: Sorry, I won I wonder with this if it's a big going to be a bigger issue in the Eastern States because Adelaide has had such big rental increases, as Garrett points out, over the last few years, because we were sort of at a lower bar in terms of rent pre COVID and then placet COVID house prices boomed, rents went up. You're here of people getting sixty dollars a week increases, forty dollars a week increases even more. And I wonder if maybe we're yes, we've sort of done our big increases and the Eastern States are on a different trajectory to us. 00:12:06 Speaker 5: Quite possibly, we've had we've had the tightest rental market in the while, while in the last couple of years it's been at various points fewer than one percent of all rental accommodation has been available in Adelaide. It's generally it's really tight and tough to get into. So, yeah, that damage might have been done here. It's worth reflecting on what Gary's referring to. So when the federal budget came out capital gains, tax negative gearing changes, federal government modeling said rental increase by two dollars extra a week. They imagine there'll be some form of negligible kind of increase. National Australia Banks said in a statement a couple of days ago, thirty percent over the next two years. Then they walked it back a little bit. They sort of said that was the far end of their their valuation because banks generally provide a graph that will have, you know, three versions of a forecast, and generally the biggest one is the one that gets all the headlines. But still subsequent that a lot of people can't say, yeah, my rent went up after the budget. So if that you're in the same position that Gary was, Gary wasn't it give us a call. We'd love to hear from you. Eight double two three double double or textas on zero before zero eight thirteen ninety five. Weather Wise, today it's thirteen point two degrees outside in the city at the moment heading for the top of seventeen. We probably will get decent rain today between two and nine millimeters. 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It's a issues demo clearance on now save on Pagero sport ASX Striten and Outland and als Worth and Wilson laxt Morning Readie. 00:14:08 Speaker 11: Morning to you will Morning Stacy will start with Sidney. That's the big story is and that I think it will be for the rest of the week at least, or at least until we get some kind of finality in terms of sanctions and what's going to happen with these players involved at the incident at the Pullman Hotel in the early hours of Monday morning slash Sunday night. The Swans released a statement last night for those waking up this morning, and they've basically said they've concluded their interviews with all of the players that have been named and involved, and they're expecting that they'll announce sanctions today. Now that's going to be separate to what is coming out because there's clearly police investigation that's ongoing, so we'll get some kind of I guess clarity as to what's happening and what action is taken moving forward. But yeah, it's getting Missy. 00:14:56 Speaker 5: That's an important distinction to make, Rennie, because I've no doubt people just think going, well, hang on, how can you sanctioning on the basis of an investigation that's currently going on. There is an investigation of just serious sexual misconduct. Yes, there's also Sydney's view on what in the hell are you doing parting out till five am in a very public way and inviting people back to your room and getting up to god knows what on the cusper for final series? And I imagine that component of it they can bring a sanction on pretty quickly exactly. 00:15:22 Speaker 11: And I think because the public pressure is so strong, like you know, you've got to be seen to be doing something and the AFL as well, Andrew Dillon came out yesterday and clearly

they're working with Sydney. You know, there's definitely an expectation, I think from a PR perspective publicly, you know, the wider community, you've got to do. You know, these guys cannot be playing, so you know, they've got to be pretty swift. 00:15:42 Speaker 5: Did they play finals? 00:15:44 Speaker 12: I wouldn't. 00:15:45 Speaker 11: Well, it's it's hard to know because until we know the serious and well, clearly it's serious, but. 00:15:53 Speaker 5: But they're varying degrees. There's lots we don't know. And that's the how many of the player exit are accused of the most serious of the misconduct. 00:16:01 Speaker 12: That's exactly right. 00:16:03 Speaker 6: And in terms of what potentially club protocols procedures they could have breached. If we put the police investigation aside, bringing the club into disrepute, going out partying mid season, inviting visitors back to your room during the season, I guess some of those were potentially rules that could have been breached which would be dealt with separately by the club. 00:16:25 Speaker 5: Absolutely exactly right. 00:16:27 Speaker 11: So yeah, and that's hopefully we get a bit of that, I guess, yeah, sort of you know, clarity today when they hold a press conference, which I'm sure will be very very widely attended and listen to. 00:16:39 Speaker 6: To your point, though, will there could be more involved If it's if it's the club looking at what actions occurred, it could be more than the four or five players that have been reported. 00:16:48 Speaker 5: That's true. Yeah, yeah, it could be broader. Absolutely. They're in a tough spot because I think so they say two weeks everyone's gonna go, We're gonna go in It's Northmourne next week. It doesn't matter that literally, you might rest half your team anyway, and then your first final, well who and then everyone comes back and you know, we're all very contrite and people a gonna say that's but we don't know the outcome of the police component out there that's going to draw a much longer sanction. So on some level, I'm a bit sympathetic to this. I think they're need get smashed whatever they do, because if they say to blokes, well you can't play finals at all, and then they're only peripherally involved or not really at all, then it's very difficult. 00:17:27 Speaker 11: It's a really tricky spot for them to be in at the moment. But yeah, so we should get some kind of not resolution, but at least some kind of I guess you know, idea of what is happening today which we didn't get yesterday. 00:17:40 Speaker 5: The AFILM, the Swan statement both very strong, really strong, appropriately strong. Yeah, yeah, good stuff for any Thanks, thanks guys. 00:17:51 Speaker 2: Knockdown Bill two with Metro Homes sell one and move on Kid the other as an investment. 00:17:57 Speaker 3: Metro Homes. They do it all for you, real good. 00:18:00 Speaker 13: It is with Stacey Lee. 00:18:01 Speaker 4: This is five double a breakfast. 00:18:06 Speaker 5: Twenty minutes to seven. Police and weather coming up. But this half hour after seven o'clock we're going to go to Sydney Seven's great reporter Chris Reason, is on the case with regard to the sanctions that are inbound for the Swans players involved to whatever degree in that situation at the Pullman Hotel in Melbourne. We're expecting them potentially come down sometime during our show. We'll get the latest from Chris Reason after seven o'clock on that. We're going to talk about Stop the Chop. Very shortly. We will have a closer look at a trial that's taking place in the US that I think will be of interest that if you boil it down. Is examining the Facebook is addictive. I don't think if you ask anyone in the street, they would say, yeah, it is. It is This court in America is strategy determined? Is it deliberately so? Has it been designed like a poker machine to suck people in? Get them stuck? Especially kids? And that's a tougher thing to prove. But that's what's they're trying to prove in a court of law. Mark Zuckerberg's been there. A're going to try and take you inside that trial because I think everyone can relate to it. What's what's the penetration of Facebook pages in the world? It must be eighty Is it just relating to Facebook? It's meta the subject? So Instagram too? 00:19:18 Speaker 14: Well? 00:19:18 Speaker 5: Yeah, so matt is the parent company. 00:19:19 Speaker 6: That owns yes to both of them. 00:19:21 Speaker 5: Do they own YouTube? People? YouTube only track of who's bought what? But they a YouTube's Google thank you, Patty. So they definitely have Instagram and Facebook. So are they deliberately addictive as opposed to just accidentally addictive? 00:19:33 Speaker 6: I think everyone knows the answer to that, But proving it in a. 00:19:36 Speaker 5: Court that's right, that's right. So we're going to head to the US very very shortly. Speaking of things in the digital realm, we wanted to have a chat about this because it just seems like so much fun as a new video game developed by South I was company Pro Jank Footy. We're joined by Powerbomb Games director and Pro Jank Footy developer David Ashby. David, good morning to you, good eight guys. Thanks, this is this is so fun reading about this game. I don't even know where to begin. It's you've developed an Australian rules game and you're South Australian, so already, as far as we're concerned, at five double A, that's excellent, but you're exporting a version of football to the world that may be unrecognizable to Australians. In part, just tell us the concept behind pro Jank Footy. 00:20:21 Speaker 15: Well, basically, the premise for pro Jank Footy came about from wanting to make a retro version of Ozi Rul's footy, and for whatever reason, there wasn't really one made, and so we wanted to lean into, I guess, the the alien factor with the sport. So, for instance, if you describe Ozierrul's football as someone completely unfamiliar with it. It sounds like you're making it up,

Like what's like, what is Australian rules football? It's you know, two teams aiding aside, trying to chase a ball like two classrooms to kick it between two sticks on a giant cricket over it sounds like you're making it up, you know what I mean. So we sort of leaned into that idea of redefining Australian rules football in a video game. And so basically it's a simple game where you can play with your mum and dad or with your kids, and the rules change, and the rules change every time you kick a goal, and so they basically the rules change from things like you know, making a players faster, to really strange things like putting goalposts all around the boundary or removing the umpires as we all like to we'd all like to see in real life, or even turning everyone into footballs. And so these these power ups stack on top of each other and the game becomes less about playing footy and more about how crazy you can make it. 00:21:47 Speaker 6: The idea, David, it sounds like chaos and my ocds in overdrive going. 00:21:52 Speaker 16: I want to know the rules. 00:21:54 Speaker 5: They keep changing exactly. I actually think the idea that the rules change after every goal or something of the RFL is dangers close to Actually I like some of the It's got so much wonderful Australiana in it as well, meat pies with legs that can storm the oval, Dad's car, afford falcon hoons around the grounds. You must have had so much fun picking out this real sort of quaint Australian kitch stuff to put into. 00:22:21 Speaker 15: It, well exactly. I mean, I think we forget how exotic we are as Australians in our culture. Like for instance, like if you try to explain what red cordial is to an American, they have no idea what you're talking about, and really, yeah, truly like they don't have it. And like even like we have you know, analogues with other sports, like you know, when hot dogs are synonymous with baseball and for whatever reason, we have meat pies. Yeah, and you know what I mean, So like we we didn't have to necessarily try too hard because we have so much quirkiness. And I think we forget, as I said, we forget how exotic and weird we are. And often, like if you have friends from overseas, it's like one of the first things you've taken too us. You got to see the footage, you know what I mean, and so like, we just really wanted to capture that and show that because it's really really fun. 00:23:12 Speaker 5: You must have had fun coming up with the names of the teams too, the Sojuna doers like that on the porting All lumber Chips couple of Australian references. Well, well, yeah exactly. 00:23:21 Speaker 15: I mean the the fun about making your own game is you get to make up your own league and so you know, even the player names are like friends and family, but even made up stuff like I think there's a there's a player called like BLT because like why not exactly. 00:23:39 Speaker 5: Roaming BLT David. All the best with them, mate, It's a great story. We love things that have made here in South Australia, and that it's sort of tangentially related to football is even better. All the best with it. 00:23:54 Speaker 15: Well, just quickly, we'll just speaking of tantentially related. You might find this interesting. I have a connection to your family and I think this is going to be interesting to you and your listeners. Yeah, I was actually born the same day as your brother. 00:24:09 Speaker 5: At the Calvary Hospital. 00:24:11 Speaker 15: No way, no way, absolutely, yeah, yeah, because my nana, like it was a big thing in my family because like naturally, like every nana, there was photo clippings and stuff and for you and your family it was a big story here. And yeah that was your brother and your mum and dad were in my baby album. 00:24:34 Speaker 5: That's amazing. I'll pass it on. Well, he's a die hard footy fan, David, So it's something about being born on that day exactly. 00:24:43 Speaker 15: And yes I am a Crow supporter. 00:24:46 Speaker 5: We knew, we liked you. 00:24:48 Speaker 15: Thanks for having me. 00:24:49 Speaker 5: Great to chat with you. But yeah, the game is pro jank footy. David Ashby, one of the developers from power Bomb Games here in South Australia. 00:24:57 Speaker 6: That's the most Adelaide thing to have ever happened. 00:25:00 Speaker 5: How is the birth? The birth event of when I was born and my brother been topics of conversation in consecutive days, two days in a row. What's going on? 00:25:11 Speaker 6: Good family? 00:25:12 Speaker 5: That's right. I think it's a testament to how much noise my mother makes when she's knocking around and you know, these maternity wards she's chatting with people, introducing yourself to everyone. It's a very my mother type thing to do. All right, let's sad to the weather Bureau and talk about the day ahead. Daniel Sherwin Simpson is on Judy Morning. Daniel, good morning. What how much rain do you think we're going to get for this Wednesday? 00:25:36 Speaker 16: I think we've seen probably the bulk of it actually already moved through, so in the city you haven't seen too much. So found the last twelve hours one point two millimeters if you look up in the lofties, got up to thirteen in Woodside, twelve point four in Lenswoods. I'd probably say broadly five to ten up in the lofties, but down in the planes we're more sitting in that sort of one to about four range. Up at pain Them and green Haakers they've greenee because they've both seen four millimeters or so. As we move through the rest of the day, I think it'll just be a couple of hit or misshows at times throughout the day, but the bulk that's come through, so we might be able to get another millimeter out of it. But yeah, as I said, that sort of main system has moved through. As we move into tomorrow, we could expect another a little millimeter or two. But really as the bulk of our rainfall has arrived, already goes. 00:26:26 Speaker 6: Okay, well that's good to know. 00:26:27 Speaker

5: Yes, thank you Daniel, Janieu Chew and Simson from the Weather Bureau. Because if you look at just the raw number two to nine, you think it's going to be a wet day. But we've had it so maybe not so much. Let's say the same Poulse and you come to a Holly Frisbee on the line. Holly. A drunk and speeding driver caught at Verdun overnight. 00:26:44 Speaker 14: Yeah, good morning. Well, just before ten o'clock last night, police detected a four utility traveling one hundred and fifty eight kilometers in one hundred and ten kilometers zone on the Southeastern Freeway. The driver underwent a breath test, which police will allege returned a positive result of point zero six eight. The driver, a twenty two year old man from the Adelaide Hills, was reported for drink driving and exceeding the speed limit. The car that he was driving was impounded for twenty eight days and he will be summons to appear in court at a later date. 00:27:12 Speaker 6: And Holy a man's going to face court today after stealing in the CBD. 00:27:16 Speaker 14: About four o'clock this morning, police were called to a convenience store on West Terrace after reports of a man stealing inside the store. The man left the store prior to police arrival. However, was trapped by police nearby to Light Square, where he was arrested without any incident. The thirty three year old Taparu man was charged with theft and two counts of breaching his bail. His bail has been refused and he will attend court later today. 00:27:38 Speaker 5: And you've got a bit of a warning Holy for drivers in roads that will be slippery because as we've just heard, with it a bit of rain overnight. 00:27:43 Speaker 14: Yeah, that's will following wet weather across Adelaide overnight and this morning. Motorists are being urged to take that extra bit of care on the roads. Slow down, drive to the conditions and leave plenty of space between cars, allow that extra bit of time for your journey and to ensure that you get to your destination and safely. 00:28:01 Speaker 5: Good stuff. Holly, thank you said he comes to a Holly Frisbee from Save. 00:28:04 Speaker 2: Pole knockdown bill two with Metro homes. Sell one and move on keep the other as an investment Metro Homes. 00:28:13 Speaker 3: They do it all for you. 00:28:14 Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacy Lee. This is five double A Breakfast. 00:28:25 Speaker 5: Eight minutes to seven. Chris Reason in Sydney after seven o'clock with the latest on the Swans. We're to stop the chop in the Federal Court and then a little bit later in the morning at the Police Commissioner. Grant Stephens will be in the five double A Breakfast studio with us. David Kosh on the program, put adelat football Club chairman and Compare the market Economic Director. We are talking this morning about rent increases. We're doing a bit of an informal survey the five double A Breakfast listeners. The budget forecast a two dollars increase in rents as a result of policy settings being changed. What are you seeing? What's happening to your rent? Not? You know, your individual case is necessary representative of the whole. But we get enough people textings. We've got a few calls to start the program that suddenly becomes quite interesting. One of them we got on the text line was it really dramatic increase in rent post budget one hundred and twenty five dollars a week? 00:29:12 Speaker 6: Oh since the budget. I wonder when their last rental increase. That is it a backup from maybe two years prior, and maybe. 00:29:21 Speaker 5: The people feel empowered to do so. See the day, I reckon. The danger for renders is too headlines not your rate of thirty percent increases, Landlords suddenly potentially not getting the capital return on investment, say well, I'm going to recoup a little bit with rent and if it's less than thirty percent, I'm being pretty generous. So the headline feeds, yeah, well, you know, in conjunction with some of the policy changes. But I wonder if that's what anyone's reality is out there. 00:29:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's really interesting. 00:29:49 Speaker 5: All right, eight double two three double o double. We're going to head to the US in a moment. Reed Butler is the nine News US correspondent. There is a court case going on at the moment that Meta is the subjec. 00:30:00 Speaker 6: Now. 00:30:00 Speaker 5: Matter is the parent company that runs Facebook and Instagram, obviously founded by Mark Zuckerberg. They're on trial overclaims they have not accidentally but deliberately designed platforms to be addictive to young people. As we said, Stace, So I reckon, if we surveyed one hundred people in Rundle Mall after the show and said, is social media addictive? Almost everyone would say yes, yep. But proving that it was designed to be that way is another, a far more complicated task to prove in a court of law. So read Butler's following this in the US for nine years. Read good morning. We're just given a brief overview of what's this about, what stage of the trial we had, is Mark Zuckerberg there? And how are those arguments progressing? 00:30:42 Speaker 17: Yeah, good morning, guys. We're at the day one of this federal trial. It's what you call a landmark trial because it's easily the biggest trial and case against Neta yet. We've seen a lot of different little ones popping up here and there, but this is the big one which could result in permanent changes to Facebook and Instagram. So Meta is the parent company of Facebook and Instagram. Changes like the removal of the like or the heart button on Instagram, for instance, for users who are under eighteen, so people wouldn't be able to see how many likes they've got on their posts if they're under eighteen, or like anyone else's posts. So it's day one. We at this stage, we have seen opening arguments from both sides. Interestingly, the representative of the state of California, one of the states taking this legal action against Meta, has said in their opening argument today

that Meta's business model could essentially be summed up as hook in users, hold them, harvest their information, and then hie the truth from the public. Meta has then come back and said, look, no, we have robust safety mechanisms in place for younger users. We've removed hundreds of thousands of users aged under under thirteen from our platform just in the past three months. The other side, though, coming back and saying, well, no one actually uses those tools to protect younger people, and they're wildly ineffective. So it is early days. We are expecting to hear the star witness here will be the CEO you mentioned, Mark Zuckerberg. He's not at the court today. Right now, we're hearing from an insider, a whistleblower from Meta who's speaking out against the company. And he's just actually said on the stand, I found this interesting. He watched as Instagram, he says, went from something that you use every day people use to an app that actually uses you. And he's watched and he's kind of detailing some of the tricks that Meta uses to kind of hook you in and sell you things and take your information. So it's quite startling to listen to, that's for sure. 00:32:51 Speaker 6: Read what's the intended outcome here? Is there a payout? Or is the outcome tan to change the algorithm, make changes within Meta? 00:33:03 Speaker 18: Yeah? 00:33:03 Speaker 17: So what both? So these states are demanding damages as high as two hundred billion dollars, which is just a massive amount. It amounts to about fourteen percent of Meta's entire stock value. But more importantly than that, it's these changes I outlined earlier. So this federal trial has has the ability, depending on the outcome, to force Meta to change things, and that could definitely affect Australia as well. Of course, Like if Meta loses and loses significantly, either're not just paying out this huge amount of money, which it could still be considered you know, you know, Meta has a lot of money, and they've been paying things out left runts and know they make a huge amount of money, just a shockingly high amount of money across the board. So financial penalties aren't aren't that great when it comes to kind of forcing change. But when it comes to this federal trial, the reason this is so important is that, yeah, Meta might need to be ordered to change things on its platform. And one of the things we're all used to right is the endless scrolling when you're on when you're on your when you're on your Instagram, and it's automatically auto plays different wheels and videos and things like that as it goes down. So one of the changes that could happen here as a result, and what the States are fighting for is that infinite scrolling to be banned, so there has to be a limit on how many times a reel can come up. They're also fighting for the removal of beauty filters for younger users under eighteen, so that could be they could totally go if there's a success. If it's successful here, so yeah, it has the potential to really change change how younger people in particular use Instagram and Facebook, mainly Instagram because the younger people, that's where they're kind of focus is and there's not a lot of younger Americans or Australians on Facebook anymore. It's all about Instagram. 00:34:54 Speaker 5: Read is Facebook? Sorry? Is Meta considered uniquely vulnerable to this kind of prosecution or are they simply the first of social media companies that are likely to face this kind of scrutiny. 00:35:07 Speaker 17: Do you think, Yeah, that's a really good question because Meta, I think Meta is kind of the most obvious obvious social media I think not so much uniquely vulnerable. I think Meta is just the big the big boy in this instance, and the one where which which is facing the most attention. But you can easily imagine it's also an American based company, right because I was thinking this morning, what about tiktoks, that that's a whole that's another that's a whole other kettle of fish, because I guess that's China based, and maybe that's difficult. It's more difficult to kind of legally chase something like TikTok. But Meta's definitely is because it's the big one. Instagram is this one that has been again linked again and again to horrific instances of mental health problems among younger people. I think that's why we're seeing a lot of attention on Meta. But they call it a bell whether trial. If this is successful, if the States are successful in this in this in a case against Meadow, then you can imagine there will be a massive grounds well for more legal action against other social media companies too. 00:36:14 Speaker 5: Absolutely great report read Thank you, read Butler for nine News in the United States. 00:36:19 Speaker 6: It's so true social media, particularly Instagram. You used to go on and see photos from your friends or videos from your friends. Now it's almost impossible to find what your friends have posted, absolutely from strangers. 00:36:32 Speaker 5: I agree with all of this. There's one part that I have reservations about and read hit on it with regard to TikTok being based in China. We're going to become really good at prosecuting entities based in our own countries. But in a digital world, there's no borders and your capacity to you. When we put age restrictions or things on Facebook and TikTok and things that we know and are comfortable with, we can't stop migration of people to things we don't know about that a new and we can't regulate them. Not an argument to say we shouldn't try and regulate make things better, but we're gonna end up demonizing those things that are closest to our communities and societies and values. Whereas the Internet is boundless and there's going to be something else that's possibly worse that will pop up somewhere that we're gonna have no control over, and I worry about that component of this as well. 00:37:22 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good point. 00:37:26 Speaker 2: Knockdown Bill two with

metro homes, Sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment. 00:37:32 Speaker 3: Metro homes. They do it all for you. 00:37:35 Speaker 13: Will. 00:37:35 Speaker 4: Goodings with Stacy Lee. This is five double a breakfast. 00:37:40 Speaker 5: Nine after seeven. Good morning too if you're joining us for the first time on this Wednesday, the nineteenth of August, is actually a blue patch of sky outside, which makes it a unique morning. 00:37:49 Speaker 6: We can see some sun coming in. 00:37:50 Speaker 5: We can see some sun. I can't recall the last time hasn't been overcast. That's probably a sign of what the Breureau told us before seven o'clock rain forecasts for today with large already had and Ben Jordan, a resident stats man, makes the observation that even with no more rain today, we're currently sitting at two and eighty five point four millimeters of rain to August nineteen, making it the fifth wettest winter in the last one hundred. 00:38:12 Speaker 6: Years, and we're only at the nineteenth of August. 00:38:15 Speaker 5: That's right, So your rain people on rain water will be absolutely delighted with what's going on. Thanks should be full hot showers in the hills and so forth. Fifth wettest winter in one hundred years. Coming up this half hour, we're going to be talking about a surprising and really thought provoking a court action that's been taken by former Crow Ricky Henderson against the AFL and Fox Sports for airing revealing footage of him in the locker room without him knowing in twenty thirteen. He's asking for one point two million dollars each. Genitals were shown on television essentially because unbeknotes to him, he was standing over in the corner adjusting his shorts, locked off camera in the locker room. It got broadcast everywhere. So he's suing them now, which raises a whole of really interesting questions about filming in locker rooms and what's permissible. What should you be aware of? 00:39:14 Speaker 6: I don't know, why do we need to have vision inside locker rooms? 00:39:17 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, have you raised that? Really good question, and Patty made a really interesting point about this during the break as well. In nowhere in the world in soccer do they have any locker room cameras or footage. You never see anything unless it's for a documentary or but it's part of the game coverage. There's no one in the rooms beforehand, there's no one in the rooms afterwards. There's certainly not a panel desk set up or a locked off camera. It's a very it's an Australian thing. We've borrowed from the US where it's a bit more commonplace. But even they don't have locked off cameras. They was doing interviews in the rooms afterwards. Yeah, so maybe it's surprising it's only been one instant of this sort, but maybe this will be the end of it. Anyway that we're going to get into with our legal legal Alex Ward in the moment, and then we will be chatting with Chris reaveson about the exp We're expecting some sanctions to

be handed down from the Sydney Football Club very soon with regard to the conduct of their players at the Pullman Hotel in Melbourne, so that's coming up very very shortly. We're going to spin the wheel though first aren't because we've got a Carolt smart watch to give away. Big reach and big spin. It is number nineteen. It's always number nineteen, isn't it. It's come up nineteen. I think five hundred times now, which is statistically unlikely that there is something weird about our will. It's all right. It's good news for people born in nineteen forty four. So if you're eighty two or turning eighty two, you can win yourself a Carolt smart watch by calling in right now. The year the slinky was invented nineteen forty four. Really yeah, and it was the birth year of our Carolert smart watch winner. So get calling right now. Eight double two, three, double o. First call of three, we'll get the care Alert smart watch. 00:40:48 Speaker 6: These things are great. I think a smart watch is perfect for anyone who is how old did you. 00:40:53 Speaker 5: Say, eighty eighty two or eighty two? 00:40:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, anyone in that age group, because I think I told you the story. Couple of weeks ago. I was talking to a friend who hadn't heard from a close not a relative, but a friend of a friend, and I hadn't heard from her for a couple of days and thought, okay, we better go and visit her. And she had had a fall in her house on her own a day ago and hadn't been able to call anyone to ask for help. That is where the care Alert. 00:41:20 Speaker 5: Doesn't happen with a care alert, you don't even need to interact with it. 00:41:23 Speaker 12: Will. 00:41:24 Speaker 5: The smart watch does it automatically, so it gives everyone of your family peace of mind as well. It's a really important piece of kit to have. All right, let's bring in our five double A League Legal. Alex Warden to this conversation about Ricky Henderson, the former Crow's player who's suing the AFL and Fox Sports for over a million bucks for airing compromising footage of him in two thousand and thirteen. Alex, good morning to you. It's interesting. We were talking just a moment ago about how intrusive cameras are at AFL games and locker rooms and so forth. I don't recall anyone taking action like this previously. What immediately springs to mind for you in terms of what Ricky Henderson's going to have to prove or how the AFL might defend this. 00:42:05 Speaker 19: Yeah, thanks, Will. It is an interesting case for a couple of reasons. The thing that struck me with it is that it's so old, so this occurred back in twenty thirteen, thirteen years ago, so that's something of interest. And also when I was looking at this, this morning, I thought I'd go back to the original story and couldn't find it, so that it sort of well wasn't easy for me to find with the search of the internet, so it was a bit hidden. And when you bring an action, it brings it all back out to the Oka. Look the sports, I'll

tell you much. We were probably a little more watched in the AFL. People would be the cricketers when you were talking just before we started about in Truson that the cricketers have cameras on them all the time. But it's an important point here that you were discussing about cameras in the change rooms. They're getting an idea of it from the story. There is a dispute as to where it actually happened. So you've got a change room where there's no media access, as I understand the defense, or you've got the more public kicking room where I imagine that's the room you often see a film and they're sort of kicking the ball to themselves or running up and down doing handballs, or having drinks. So not the actual changer. It's not out in the oval, but it's not the actual inns of the change room and the shower and whatnot. So that's a dispute because Ricky's documents say it happened in the change room. There's should be no media, and I think the defenses will not happening in the kicking room where there is a meeting. 00:43:36 Speaker 5: So that goes to the heart of the question about whether you should reasonably expect that you're being viewed at any moment, which I assume would be the AFL's defense. 00:43:44 Speaker 19: Well, it is, but then it's sort of if I was out playing football and in the in the throes of the game, my pants and everything else underneath were pulled down, that's sort of bad luck because you know it's all the cameras are there, so that's pretty straightforward, even if embarrassing. Then as you move into something, well it's not out in the oval, but it's not in the actual change room, so it makes it a little more confident. Should you have an expectation of privacy in that situation, And that's what that's that's a real dispute in the case because I don't think anyone's disputing it happened and that I've got a lot of publicity the time, although as I said, you'd be I couldn't find it this morning, having a look, just to see how big the story was back there. 00:44:31 Speaker 5: I've watched every Crows game since nine at ninety one, and I don't ever recall this being a thing. No, well, that's right, But in the. 00:44:38 Speaker 19: Report it said that they admit that it did get publicity. If it was, it's been buried because all these things interact. You're talking about what's on the social. 00:44:48 Speaker 5: Media and whatnot before news, and this is. 00:44:51 Speaker 19: An instance where out of a sense of good taste, perhaps the story was buried and made hard to access. But when you bring a case this is a problem. It brings it all back out to the open. 00:45:03 Speaker 13: Yeah. 00:45:03 Speaker 6: I wouldn't have known about this at all if it wasn't for the court case. 00:45:07 Speaker 5: What do they call it, the striisand effect? You run that, Yeah, the Barbara streisand case about I think she was suing the legendary cases. She was suing about people taking area photographs of her home and breaching her privacy. But in

the process of making the action, everyone saw the aerial photographs that breached her privacy. That's sort of how it goes. 00:45:25 Speaker 19: That's exactly how it goes in our system. So when you bring a case, it's all out in the open, and this is an important thing just for the people at home. They are specific laws in South Australia about indecent filming and if you take one, indecent filming is to take a picture of somebody's pubic area. So if it was a criminal case it would be different. But this is a civil case where he's saying this happened to me and I want to get damages from you. Normally you've got three years from the trauma to bring a claim in court, So why it's thirteen and not three is a bit odds, but that'll be part of the case as well. 00:46:07 Speaker 5: Can I actually Alex how and I don't want to cast dispersions on this particular active but broadly speaking, when you suing for damages, how does that number get arrived at? Yeah? I know that two million dollars in this custry. 00:46:21 Speaker 19: That has been interesting as well because it sort of doesn't so in the magistrate's court if you're suing, the limit is one hundred thousand, So you've got a pretty good idea my claim is worth a maximum of one hundred thousand. When you sue for some things like it's a specific amount. You smash my car, it's worth sixty thousand dollars, you've got to pay me sixty that's easy. But when it's an injury case, the court actually says is what the damages are, various different losses, your loss of income, how much it hurt you, how much is going to be a problem in the future, what treatment you might need in the future. So it's a lot harder to give a precise figure at the beginning, but they have someone's come up with a one point two million, so we'll see how that goes. But that's something that occurs in the actual judgment. The judge will say, here's what your losses are. Add them all up. But as we can see from our brief discussion, there's quite a lot of there's quite a lot of angles here that media. Well, we'll get a lot more action out of this as it goes ahead. But it's an interesting case to think that, you know, to what extent do you give up your arts and privacy as a sports person. Happen, it wouldn't happen in the amateurs. If it did, it would be that police action against the photographer, and. 00:47:37 Speaker 5: If he wins it might be the end of the locker room camera, Like, if well legitimate. 00:47:43 Speaker 6: Do without the locker room camera, what benefit. 00:47:46 Speaker 5: We were going to ask our listeners the precisely that, Alex. 00:47:49 Speaker 19: Yeah, you don't mind watching the footage, but there's only so much you want to see, quite frankly, but it's it's that The one I'm thinking it is is that one where you was up in the ceiling and looking down and a little group's handballing here, and a little group's doing passes here or drinking their drinks. They're just nervously waiting to go out, and this was the

halftime break. Yeah, so it would have all come back in and you wouldn't quite your mind wouldn't really be on am I being filming? Or would it be? I don't know. That's what the case will be. 00:48:19 Speaker 5: About, Yeah, Alex. Is always a great breakdown of a really interesting legal question. There, Alex Ward our five double eight legal legal. Let's let's ask right now eight double two three double double or what anyone miss the locker room? I mean, I guess you get some unique things like Matt Rowe snipping the footballs the other day. It's just weird to do without that good week. 00:48:39 Speaker 13: It's weird. 00:48:41 Speaker 5: They love showing the heartache of people who are injured, you know, crying in the locker room and so forth. 00:48:47 Speaker 6: Could Yeah, I never really understood it. I feel like it could go. 00:48:51 Speaker 5: I've never thought about it being odd because I've just always watched footy until Patty made the point about soccer, and I think the English Premier League is so beautiful. Whether you like the sport or not, it's a beautifully presented product, a TV product, immaculately prepared. It's just well beautifully done. It doesn't suffer for the lack of locker room cameras, so maybe we could do without. What do you think, folks, would you be happy if they were going? Are they are they intrusive or do they aid something? 00:49:18 Speaker 6: Interviews in that room? You know, you see that camera, you know where that camera is shooting. But we're talking about the the I think they're a bit creepy up in the corner, locked off shot. You don't know what parts of the locker room are in shot. Hence you know why he went into the corner and adjusted his genitals. Yeah, I just don't think it's necessary. 00:49:37 Speaker 5: Let's go to Greg, who has called in having been born in nineteen forty four. Congratulations to your Greg. You've got the caroller that's smart. What's coming your way? 00:49:47 Speaker 19: Wow? 00:49:48 Speaker 20: Wow, wow, fantastic, fantastic. 00:49:50 Speaker 5: Well done. You always called Adelaide home, Greg. 00:49:53 Speaker 20: Yes, I was born in Port Lincoln. 00:49:55 Speaker 13: Oh. 00:49:56 Speaker 5: What did your family do in Port Lincoln? 00:49:58 Speaker 10: Oh? 00:49:58 Speaker 20: My father had a dry cleaning business there for a while. 00:50:02 Speaker 5: Did you get to the dry cleaning game? 00:50:04 Speaker 20: No, no, no, no, no. He ended up in the public service and I did to start with as well. 00:50:08 Speaker 5: There go. Yeah, we here in Adelaide. Did you come to Adelaide for that? 00:50:11 Speaker 10: Yeah? 00:50:11 Speaker 20: Yeah, it was only about ten when we came across. 00:50:14 Speaker 5: Yeah. And did you did you like moving from regional, say, to the Big Smoke or do you prefer Lincoln? 00:50:20 Speaker 10: Oh? 00:50:20 Speaker 20: No, no, I adapt here pretty well. Lincoln was a very well I suppose it gets caught remote place back in the day, and we went down the

Coffin Bay fishing and all that stuff and out shooting fox shooting all that kind of stuff. 00:50:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, it would have been a good time, a good place to grow up and then come to the city for work. 00:50:39 Speaker 1: Exactly. 00:50:39 Speaker 5: Got the best of both worlds. Well, congratulations to you, Greg. You at the care all that smart watch coming at your way. We're going to get check traffic and come back with the latest on the Sydney Swan saga with Chris Reason from seven years in just. 00:50:50 Speaker 2: A moment, knockdown Bill too with Metro Homes, Sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment. 00:50:58 Speaker 3: Metro Homes. 00:50:59 Speaker 4: They do it all for Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is five double a breakfast. 00:51:06 Speaker 5: Twenty six minutes after seven. The Swan's had an emergency board meeting last night. We're expecting at some point this morning or throughout the day sanctions to be announced for the players who were involved in an incident at the Pullman Hotel that now has the AFL in a state of waiting. Will there be AFL sanctions, what's the outcome of the police investigation and so forth? Chris Reason is covering the story in Sydney for seven years at Rizo. Good morning. Do you have any clarity around what's going to happen today with regard to sanctions or the various other elements of this story. 00:51:35 Speaker 21: Well, good morning too. Will we do know that it will be announced today? The Swan's have indicated that today is the day that they will formally release and potentially, I hope hold a press conference for having confirmed that that they are going to at least issue the statement. We saw that the board met last night, as you say, at Swan's HQ, A lot of deep concern there that the club certainly plunged into crisis, a crisis that really has never had to face before and for so many management new to this. The CEO, of course, Dean Cox, we saw this morning going into the club and it would hast him questions as he went in again, could he short with the answers that saying We asked him any sort of hopes of resolution today? He said yes, hopefully, and before he kept going into the club. There are three levels of investigation going on to say, well, we've got the Swan's investigation, AFL investigation, and of course above and beyond all of it is the police investigation being led by the Sexual Crime Squad and Rizo. 00:52:33 Speaker 6: Obviously, there have been some names reported in the media, four potentially five involved in whatever allegedly took place that night, But is there a potential that more players than just that small group could face sanctions from the club in breaching club standards. If there were more of them who were out late at night, out partying, you know, could it be more than just this small group, But. 00:52:58 Speaker 21: They're not indicating that at this stage. 00:53:00 Speaker 1: Stay. 00:53:00 Speaker 21: I mean, it's interesting, isn't Because

seven years last night had exclusive vision of Dean Cox going out on after his dinner and drinking session out the past midnight. Now a lot of people say, well, what's wrong with that? You know, I've grown adults and make their own decisions about when they want about and how late. But there are questions being asked about the image that the leadership portrays and the standards that they said they're out at midnight. Well, with the players out at midnight as well, I mean, look, it's unsure what sanctions will come down. We know that there have been the four players clearly named, Isaac pen E, Chad Warner, James Jeordan and Roley Bys and as you say, a fifth player as well in Nick Blakey. None of them charged, None of them, you know, can we say under investigation they are simply helping police with inquiries at this stage and we've got to make that clear from the very get go. But the five players there were the ones that stayed behind to offer to a help assist with that inquiry, and then and the rest of the team obviously flew back up to Sydney in dribs and drabs airport for hours that day, but the five of them drove back overnight the next day alone in a car. Can imagine what the conversation was like for that twelve hours. 00:54:11 Speaker 5: So they haven't shown up at the club or there's no sign of them in Sydney at the moments there, Chris, No. 00:54:16 Speaker 21: They're all at their club. Sources tell me that they have all been at their homes. They were individually interviewed yesterday by club staff officials who went out one by one to each of those homes. Each of the players asked if they could have legal representation with them at the time. Fair enough, you know, young blokes don't know what they're up for. They've got detailed contracts. They want to know exactly where they stand. I totally understand why they did that. Again, no implication of any wrongdoing there, but basically all of the five of them were questioned individually. The results of those interviews then brought back to club HQ. They're the board met into the late hours last night. I'm amazed that it hasn't leaked yet what the punishment sanctions will be. At least that part of the Swan's corporate cultures working well. But we're expecting it to them to release further details on what that sanction will be. That's the question. How hard will they go on this team, on these players. I'm getting the impression that they're not going to take any prisoners here, guys. I mean, they really are in crisis mode and they know how bad it look. 00:55:23 Speaker 13: This is. 00:55:23 Speaker 21: This is the squeaky clean, clean sheet club of the league. You know that we just don't see scandals coming out of the Swans, and their entire sponsorship base is based on that. You know, I think they've got some thirty six corporate sponsors. They're a family friendly club. There are women friendly club. They have a lot of programs active on those fronts and they really do push and promote

that side. So for that to be in any way jeopardized, that will leave club club management and the board absolutely furious. They will have to be making really critical decisions here. But again, such an impact on the team. You lose those, they lose the Grand Final. Let's be honest and beyond. So I mean, it's a really difficult situation to them, but they've got to draw a hard line on this sort of stuff. 00:56:09 Speaker 6: Most definitely difficult personally. 00:56:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, well we will see very shortly. Chris Reason for seven News in Sydney. I just sort of quick I know, a bit late for news. I just want to quickly address Tiffany's TXT because Tiffany's raised a question that I think a lot of people asking. Tiffany says, where is the deep concern for the welfare of the victim in this Sydney Swans incident? Do we know how she is doing? The media seems silent on this part of the story. In part that's because of the design of law, and I think that works. You can't identify victims, and we don't understand why that works. So you've got to be very careful you talk about it. No charges have been laid, so it's tough to talk about a victim again because that presumes a whole bunch of stuff that leaves you live will be so so I think sometimes I totally get what Tivny says, why want to bring it up? I think it's some comes across as a lack of interest or care. But it's because you are. We're also restrict about what we can say because it's it's going to go before the courts, is a live thing. The only part, unfortunately, when we're in the business of talking about the biggest story in the country, the only bit that's safe to talk about is the football the sanction that part of it and the other bit. Yes, I think everyone has for those feelings, but you're so restricted in what you can say. 00:57:19 Speaker 6: And at the start of any conversation to do with this, either yesterday or today, whether it was talking to Renny or you know, we have always said there is the police investigation and that and that will take place, and there is a woman who believes she's a victim because she's made a complaint to police, and she is in everybody's thoughts. But there is not actually that much more you can say about it, as you point out will so yeah, really good point. 00:57:44 Speaker 5: We feel frustrated by it too, you know, like everyone does, but it's not through lack of care. 00:57:51 Speaker 2: Knockdown Bill two with metro homes, sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you. 00:58:00 Speaker 13: It is with Stacey Lee is five double a Breakfast. 00:58:12 Speaker 5: Sixteen minutes to eight before o'clock this morning, David Kosh is going to join us. We'll talk about all that's going on in the world of finance and footy with Koshi. Then after eight o'clock to day the Police Commissioner Grant Stevens. We've got a bunch of breaking in aid activity going on. Stacy's been buzzing over there with all sorts of. 00:58:27 Speaker 6: Stories trying to work out what to include today. 00:58:30 Speaker 5: Exactly right, which is exciting for listeners, So stick around plenty to get into on that front. Eight double two three double A double is our name. You can text us on zero four eight zero eight thirty ninety five as well. To stop the chop campaign has obviously at various points been newsworthy in the first instance, for people's desire to stop cutting down trees for the North Avlaide golf course. Then obviously it was a protest that went too far and people were getting heckled and harassed and so forth. There was at one point in time concerned about endalism and whatnot. It's now into a point that I think is really interesting. But for whatever reason, the intensity of the coverage is dropped off because it's in the federal court. So suddenly we have this the castle style court case going on about cutting down trees and the parklands. And I for one find this fascinating because we've kind of held as sacrisanc this idea of the trees and so forth. But what actual legal protections are there around our park lands and development and who's right who has jurisdiction. This is fascinating that this is all now going to get tested. So we thought we would take the opportunity, now that this is well and truly underway, to talk to Helen Carra Kulac, who was in Daily's reporter who's in the federal court. Helen, good morning to you. Good morning, So where are we at in this trial and just maybe take a step back for our listeners and just set up what the stop the chop campaign? I mean, obviously we know what they want to stop. They're trying to try to stop the cutting down of trees. But how they're trying to use the mechanisms available in the federal court to do that. 00:59:59 Speaker 22: Yes, So basically, the easiest way to describe it is it's a legal test. So we've got this public servant in Edwin Kemp Atrall and a garnitutional owner Jeanettes Miller, who believe that the plans for the golf course should have been referred to the federal Environment minister before they started chopping down trees. So their lawyers are arguing that because the park lands are nationally Heritage listed, all the trees that have come down and a new clubhouse that's going to go up, they're going to violate those heritage and environment protections. But the state government have sort of done it all above board from their perspective, and they've done their checks and balances, and they're saying, no, we checked out the trees. This is this impact isn't going to have the detrimental effect that the stop the chop protesters are saying. 01:00:51 Speaker 6: So, then, considering we know a lot of the trees, if not all of those six hundred trees have been chopped down already, what is the what is the intended outcome of the court case? 01:01:03 Speaker 22: Yeah, so initially they wanted to try and stop the works from going ahead altogether, but they obviously failed in that. In fact, at the

moment, the governments are still able to forge ahead with things like groundworks and water and irrigation, but they're not allowed to chop down any other trees while the court case is ongoing. The ideal outcome here for the parklands protesters, Edwin and Jeanette, they really want to see a precedent set. They want to see this. They want to see the environments basically prioritized in these works going forwards, and they want to see the federal government step in and say that the trees should have been protected and protect future trees in the future with projects like moto jeep. 01:02:01 Speaker 6: Okay interesting future protection all interesting. 01:02:04 Speaker 5: Thank you for that, Ellen, We appreciate it. Helen Caraculus from the If I'm in dailies, he can read her reporting from the Federal court in daily. Fascinating case. I don't I think it's the pinnacle of optimism to imagine that Murray Watt's going to suddenly care about trees on the golf course, that we have a once in a generation algol bloom that he had to be dragged to kicking and screaming. So good luck with that one. Stop the shop people. But it's interesting, that's all being tested, so we will know once and for all jurisdictionally, should the federal environ rooms to be called in? I guess it sets up an interesting question if they win this about Moto GP. As you say, and you. 01:02:42 Speaker 6: Know the Environment Minister of the day right now, will Murray Watt care? Probably not? Will any federal labor environment minister care? 01:02:49 Speaker 5: Probably not? 01:02:49 Speaker 6: Probably future governments if a precedent is set here, potentially well. 01:02:54 Speaker 5: If we end up like the UK, when we have a Greens party that suddenly is challenging to be in government, they might have a very different view and have powers that would be determined by the federal court. That's fascinating that story. 01:03:08 Speaker 2: Knockdown Bill two with metro homes, sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment metro homes. 01:03:15 Speaker 3: They do it all for you. 01:03:17 Speaker 13: Will goodies with Stacy Lee. This is five double a breakfast. 01:03:29 Speaker 2: And never chase. 01:03:33 Speaker 13: David Kosh on five double a breakfast. 01:03:43 Speaker 5: Seven and weight port Adlaid Football Club chairman compared the market Economic Director. David Kosh joins us on five double a breakfast Cosh. 01:03:49 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Good morning Kane. 01:03:52 Speaker 5: Obviously an ugly saga playing out in the AFEL at the moment with regard to the Sydney Swans, Stace and I over the course of the week and talking about this found one element particularly interesting that I think certainly can comment on Koshi if you choose to, and that is the degree to which the punishment in these cases in the AFL is a club responsibility. We were talking earlier with someone who made the observation that in the NRL that there is it's centralized, there's a standown provision that the league takes carriage of these kind of issues, so it's out of club's hands. Is that something the AFL should have a look at, and is that something clubs would appreciate or do you like being empowered to be in charge of making decisions around discipline and so forth? 01:04:33 Speaker 1: I reckon in instances similar to this, and we had a situation with you along in recent years. It's a really collaborative effort between the clubs and the AFL, and I think that's the way it should be, because that becomes the governing body I think needs to have a say in it or actually pass if you like, the any sanction that a club club imposers, if we if we had a breach of behavior or brought the club into disrepute or the league into disrepute. We'd certainly do it in collaboration with the AFL. So I think it's a joint thing. It's not a US and them. It's issues like this are too big, I think for a club to make judgment by itself, because the the entire industry, I think is is implicated with with such behaviors, and it's got to be a club and and an industry. I think agreement, he says, he picky his words really carefully, So I think on that I can, I can, I can comment. I'm very uncomfortable talking about other club situations. So if we don't leave it at that, that would be good. 01:06:05 Speaker 6: Well, maybe choose if you if you want to answer the next question or not. I'll take your answer with whatever whatever you want to provide. But what are the I guess what imports expectations on players when they're when they're playing away after a game and coaches going out partying and ye. 01:06:26 Speaker 1: And certainly our leaders and coaches set the standard internally with themselves and we're we're very happy with it. They we have separate drinking policies when players can drink and can't. Usually they can have a beer after the game if there's a six or seven day break between games, because you know, alcohol does impeague rehab and all that sort of things. So look, we're we're pretty happy with with the sidelines if you like, and the guide rails that our coaches and players are under. It's something that they stick to as a team and we're very happy with it. 01:07:10 Speaker 5: Koshy Magpies leaving the standful after the twenty twenty seventh season, is that is this a negotiating tactic to get this? Do you guys a bit of deal or are you done? 01:07:20 Speaker 1: No? No, we're done. That's because the rules are impeding the development of our younger players and we want to do what's best for developing developing our list. And you know, we can't wait to have the Magpies play Richmond at Alberton on a weekend, or the Western Bulldogs or all the Sydney Swans. And you know, what's what gives us the best chance to be successful in both levels of football is our only focus at the moment. 01:07:58 Speaker 5: So the financial elements not too great to overcome. 01:08:03 Speaker 1: Uh tell me, let me tell you. It's probably to our advantage. The

amount of the amount of money we pay into the Sample and the Crows are exactly the same, if not a bit more that. Yes, we can certainly handle it. Our stadium deals that we both have with the Sample and also playing in the sample competition, I think we'd we'd come out well in front. 01:08:32 Speaker 6: What about away games, it would because you. 01:08:35 Speaker 5: Know, our. 01:08:38 Speaker 1: Our Adelaide Oval stadium deal is done with the Sample. It's not done with Adelaide Oval. Yes, yeah, so you know, we just financially get pillaged on every level, So even away going stations. You were saying in terms of the transport, we still be ahead. 01:09:00 Speaker 19: Yeah. 01:09:02 Speaker 1: Fascinating and and it will be better for our players and development of their players. 01:09:08 Speaker 5: We always appreciate your candor. Good to chat. 01:09:10 Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank you, Thank you. 01:09:11 Speaker 5: David Kosh, the let Football Club chairman, and Compare the market economic director. 01:09:17 Speaker 6: There you go. That's really interesting. 01:09:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's I'm still not convinced it's not negotiations, but I mean we put it to him and he said they're out. If the Crows will follow. 01:09:29 Speaker 6: Negotiate, they will. 01:09:30 Speaker 13: Yeah. 01:09:30 Speaker 6: It sounds pretty decisive. 01:09:34 Speaker 2: Knockdown bill too with Metro Homes sell one and move on to keep the other as an investment Metro Homes. 01:09:41 Speaker 3: They do it all for you. 01:09:43 Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is five double a breakfast, not. 01:09:49 Speaker 5: After ak Police Commissioner Grant Stephens after a thirty The os Asia Festival is about to beat them on in Adelaide for the last time. It's sad news. This has been a bit run for festivals, often music festivals, and with Harvest and lane Way and others being canned, but a bit of a sign of the times. The Lucky Dumpling market excuse me as I lose my voice is going to continue. Obviously, it's a separate entity from oz Asia or b and I think most people perceptually thought the two things were aligned. But we'll be chatting with the organizer of oz Asian to get a sense of why then, what's happened, what changed or did we change? We'll find out a little bit more on that very very shortly. We're going to get This is an interesting text stace on the trees issue. 01:10:33 Speaker 6: Yes from Kerry Goodall k C who's looked at the court case, the federal court case and says the legal basis for the state government to remove further regulated trees is entirely opaque at the moment. For the North Adelaide golf course development, they passed special enabling legislation, which we knew about at the time, to avoid the usual controls under the Parklands Act, but so far they've not passed any such legislation for the motorcycle race. It's possible that they may seek to rely on old legislation pass to facilitate the organization of the Grand Prix, but

those events never required wholesale removal of regulated and significant treats and the power is not clear. The government is currently being very cagey on this. 01:11:17 Speaker 5: That's a fascinating text. We appreciate that, Kerrie, thank you, and. 01:11:20 Speaker 6: It would be a very different situation now, I think to when they passed the legislation with the Parklands, not least of which because of the makeup of the parliament. Remember they announced the extensions of live Golf that when when they announced it, they had former MP Connie Banara standing next to them on the golf course and they'd already stitched up Connie Banarus and Sarah Game to pass the legislation through the parliament, so they didn't have to win over any votes in order to do so. But now the makeup of the parliament, I'm not sure that type of legislation would pass, and particularly given the increasing Stop the Chop campaign and how public that has become. 01:11:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, that is absolutely fascinating. We're going to will follow that, and we have been following this up the job and the extension of the Moto GP as well. So yeah, sounds like there's more to come on that front. Let's go breaking at eight, shall we? 01:12:09 Speaker 6: All right, we had a few options today, but we've decided on two breaking at eights. The first one is related to that text we just read out and the Moto GP. Expect an imminent announcement with the new map. It could be as early as today that the state government releases the plan for the Moto GPS. 01:12:27 Speaker 5: Is this the plan that you received a couple of days ago, Okay, I don't. 01:12:32 Speaker 6: Know if it will be that one, but was leaked it said esay cabinet at the top. 01:12:37 Speaker 5: But it might have been a different iteration. 01:12:39 Speaker 6: Different iteration. We don't know. And as you pointed out, given it was a confidential document, maybe there was a strategic reason to leak that one, and maybe soften the blow of the actual Yeah. 01:12:51 Speaker 5: The other one might be oh yeah, oh no, we wouldn't do that, So we. 01:12:55 Speaker 6: Don't know if it is that one. We'll find out very soon though, because it will be released in potentially today, because last night there was a secret meeting at Adelaide City Council where councilors were briefed on the Moto GP plan by the state government. So I can't imagine they would have done that briefing and then we'll hold off the announcement for another. 01:13:14 Speaker 5: Time, someone to make it for them. 01:13:16 Speaker 6: They don't want to risk leaks, so that'll happen very soon. We'll have the finalized details on that shortly. But the other breaking at eight today is relating to a case we've been covering for a couple weeks now, Rayna Cruz being released from prison after assaulting Anthea Beck, SA police officer. She went through the whole court process, was given a court sentence, court mandated sentence, and then the Department of Corrections released her before that sentence was due to end. She was very quickly put back in prison, but there have been calls to change the legislation to ensure that doesn't happen again and those changes to the legislation will be made. Wade Burns is the president of the Police Association of South Australia and he joins you this morning. Good morning to you, Wade. 01:14:01 Speaker 23: Yeah, good morning Stacey and will So. 01:14:02 Speaker 6: The Minister for Corrections, Michael Brown, has confirmed that he will make anyone anyone who has convicted an offense against an emergency service worker exempt from the ability to be released from prison before their sentence ends. Is this what you've been asking for? 01:14:21 Speaker 23: Yeah, that's exactly right, Stacey. The statutory discretion to approve I guess participation for release on home detention rests with the Chief Executive of the Department of Correctional Services, but that's governed by ministerial directions. When we learned that Rayner had been released on home detention, our members were outraged. It exposed a loophole in the system and we've worked with Minister Brown to address that and as you've mentioned, he has now issued directions to the Chief Executive which explicitly exclude offenders convicted of particular offenses from applying for release on home detention. 01:14:56 Speaker 6: And the excluded offenses include harm to emergency service workers. So it's not just a police officers, is that right? 01:15:06 Speaker 23: Yeah, that is right. In twenty nineteen, the Police Association advocated for these legislative changes which came into effect. And the offenses which we've been pushing for with Minister Brown are effectively intentionally causing harm to emergency workers or recklessly causing harm to them, and also hindering or resisting a police officer, which causes harm. So there's an element of harm in each of the offenses. There's imprisonment of up to fifteen years or ten years, respectively, and those offenses now are listed in the ministerial direction, which will preclude persons convicted of those offenses from being released on home detention BAIO. So our advocacy has not only supported police officers in this instance, but certainly provided greater protections to all frontline emergency workers. 01:15:49 Speaker 6: All right, well, it's good to see the government move on that so quickly and implement those changes. Thanks for your time this morning. 01:15:56 Speaker 5: WAD as they should, and we're in the midst of a recruiting client crisis, and I can't imagine it helps every time you get someone attacks a police officer. In the first instance, the law had to be changed to actually make sure they will properly protect them. In the second, once you are found guilty of it, you should serve out your sentence. 01:16:13 Speaker 6: Yes, you would think, Yeah, apparently not until now. 01:16:17 Speaker 5: Until now, unbelievable. Police Commissioner Grant Stevens is

coming up after eight thirty, so we'll pursue that with him as well. 01:16:27 Speaker 2: Knockdown Bill two with Metro Homes, sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment. 01:16:33 Speaker 3: Metro Homes. They do it all for. 01:16:35 Speaker 13: You, will. 01:16:36 Speaker 4: Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is five double a breakfast. 01:16:41 Speaker 5: Twenty one minutes after right as we were talking about, just before the break bit of sad news that the Oisia Festival is drawing to a close here in Adult It's been a fixture for two decades. Now I realize it's been around for that long. Are we going to be chatting with Kate Gould, the Adelaide Festival Center CEO in just a moment. We have some rawal show tickets to give away Stacy though, and you have Chekhov's packet of extra chewing gum in your hand, which means we're going to play a little game of nearest to the pin. How many pieces of chewing gum in the extra How would you describe that container? It's not the box, it's the. 01:17:15 Speaker 6: It's the bottle. 01:17:15 Speaker 5: It's the bottle. 01:17:16 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a little bottle. 01:17:17 Speaker 5: It's the bottle. And how many grams? 01:17:20 Speaker 6: Great question? 01:17:21 Speaker 5: Sixty four g sixty four grams? Okay, how many are in? 01:17:25 Speaker 13: Eight? 01:17:25 Speaker 5: Double two to three double o double five? Any pieces of chewy you're in there? Get calling right now. The closest will win the tickets to the Royal Show all thanks to the wonderful Drakes. We can of course buy your tickets and the show dot com dot au. All right, let's talk az Asia, Kate Gold, Adelaide, Firestival send a CEO is on the line. Okay, this is a sad story. I think it was at a very visual presence of Asia and people. I think we're quite fond of it. To what do we owe? It's demise, well, Will. 01:17:56 Speaker 18: And Stacey, It's it's not a demise. I think it's a celebration of twenty years. And really we we're up to is that, you know, things change, things evolve. We've got lots of other new things coming which were to be announced, but look the feature will remain the same of Lucky Dumping Markets. So a lot of people would love Lucky Dumping Market, which is four weeks of the year, and this year we'll be doing the Moon Lantin event as part of Lucky Dumping and that will be continuing annually. So you know, hundreds of thousands of people go to Lucky Dumping and that will not change. Yeah, it's great news and look that's right on our doorstep and we love that event. So it is. It's presented by Gluttony. They do a great job, those guys and as I say, we will be continuing to support them whatever way we can. It is just a change of programming for us. It's about presenting culturally diverse audiences year round. That's sort of the new direction. So it isn't just combined that we're all in one place that we have you know, Asian Australia, Asian voices in Alvasia. It's going to be all year round of a fiscical center. As we chart the new program direction. 01:19:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, we can be mature about it. So there's not an infant amount of money in the world we have. You have to pick things that are that are popular and going to reflect the kind of messages you want to send out. So it sounds like this is a case where you've got other new, exciting stuff that might achieve both those things. 01:19:23 Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right, Will, And in fact, I'm heading to London on Friday night and we're chasing big shows, big name artists. We're making sure that Adelaide is getting all of the big headline artists that you see in the other states, So we're prioritizing some other components with respect to a year round program. It's not that we don't love our festivals, and we've got two fabulous festivals that will absolutely continue, the Cabaret Festival and Dreen Big Children's Festival festivals. But we are just changing our focus. But as I say, you will still see a presence a strong press of Asian, Australian and Asian artists year round and hopefully Asian audiences who are absolutely are so welcome, and we're trying to really find projects that really an artist that attract those audiences. So that's what we're here for. 01:20:14 Speaker 6: So Kate, who I guess who decides if an event goes ahead or not? Is it up to the Adelaide Festival Center. I'm told that the festival, the Asasia Festival was working under a tighter budget this year. Is that imposed by the festival center? Is that a government level thing? 01:20:32 Speaker 18: Yeah, look, we have to I mean it is the Adelaide Festival Center that's made the decision, and that's something my leadership. I take responsibility for that. But you know we have all every year we battle with budgets. Of course we do. We're an industry that's really impacted by changes in budgets. You know, we haven't been able to secure the suns that we need to do the big of Asias in the future. But it isn't just about that. It is also about a change programming direct So look, I can say because people do ask, okay, festivals are canceling or shows to canceling. As people know we lost Beetle Juice. Our audience and ticket sales are strong. We are getting great audiences in Adelaide. That's not a challenge for me and not what people us to night. It's actually about rising costs. So that's the bit we're always battling with how to do these events cost effectively. So the audiences are great in Adelaide, and I love that I love coming to our city, but we've got to make it possible to get all the big shows to Adelaide. That's our job. 01:21:36 Speaker 5: Okay girl, the Adelaide Festival Center CEO, thank you so much for joining us on five double a breacause I think it was a pretty reasonable explanation of Yeah, people liked it, it was had a good run, but there's probably better ways to spend the money. Maybe that's just the brutal reality of it. 01:21:50 Speaker 6: The interesting line I heard there was budget to type and we couldn't

secure the funding, yeah, to keep it all going. And we get that companies, businesses have to prioritize where their funds go. At the moment, there is a lot of money and a lot of focus by this government on major events, and it seems like maybe there's not such a focus anymore on festivals. 01:22:10 Speaker 5: It's got to come from somewhere. Twenty six after eight. Let's give you some tickets to the Royal Show, shall we? 01:22:15 Speaker 13: All? 01:22:15 Speaker 5: Thanks to Drake'sandthshow dot com dot au. We have a bottle of extra chewis How many are there in that bottle? Sixty four grams? 01:22:24 Speaker 6: You said, tenty four grams of Wrigley's extra. 01:22:27 Speaker 5: Right, let's see what people think. Jake and o'haler and Hill. You can start us off, Hey, good morning gods. 01:22:31 Speaker 1: I'll say you about forty. 01:22:32 Speaker 5: Four, forty four Jason and Salisbury Heights. 01:22:34 Speaker 10: How many guys forty six? 01:22:37 Speaker 5: Aregon forty six? What do you bet? What do you think? Les and Lockley's forty five? Forty five? 01:22:42 Speaker 6: Jee? 01:22:43 Speaker 5: People are being just nasty to Jake, Sam and Mount Barker. How many I'll be nasty as well? I'll go forty, Thanks Kyle. Everyone's getting very tactical, at least nearest to the pins. Kylie in Henley Beach South, good. 01:22:55 Speaker 18: Morning, Good morning. 01:22:59 Speaker 6: I'll say fifty all right, thank you, Kylie. 01:23:02 Speaker 5: I think that's how high Mark so far? Peter and Elizabeth? How many forty eight? Thank you? Debbie and Semaphore good morning? 01:23:10 Speaker 6: Oh my god, I was going to go low, but it is an unopened bottle opened, yes, unopened'n open? 01:23:17 Speaker 7: Okay, s Stacey has a been chewing, so I will say thirty six. 01:23:22 Speaker 5: Now, okay, thank you Debbie. Our last one is going to be Vinnie and Grange. Vinnie, how many fifteen? 01:23:29 Speaker 6: Oh, we've had fifty try to getting fifty one fifty one. 01:23:35 Speaker 5: Everyone got very tactical about it. Well, while we were chatting with Kate, Patty opened the pack and counted them. There are forty three inside sons were pretty good. 01:23:47 Speaker 6: Which means and this rarely happens. Our first caller, Jake. 01:23:53 Speaker 5: Jake, that man knows he's mint. Jake superb. Did he do the the quick because it's a tough. 01:24:02 Speaker 6: Little bit of we were working it out. You could do the math really quickly. It's twenty two point eight servings per package, and each serving size is two point eight grams and the bottle is sixty four grams. I am not going to attempt to do that mass. Maybe Jake did it really quickly. 01:24:16 Speaker 5: He did it really quickly. 01:24:17 Speaker 6: Maybe just good intuition. 01:24:18 Speaker 5: He eats a lot of a lot of chewy, he leads a lot of extra chewies. Fantastic work, Jake. Congratulations. There's nothing like the Royal Show presented by Drake's. Miss it and you'll be left with a serious case of show mo. Get your tickets at the show dot com, dot at you and Drake's Supermarkets and stay listening to five double A because you never know. We might have more family passes to give. 01:24:38 Speaker 2: Away knockdown build two with Metro Homes, Sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment Metro Homes. 01:24:48 Speaker 3: They do it all for you. 01:24:49 Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee theas is five double a. 01:24:53 Speaker 5: Breakfast twenty one to nine. I got some skeptics coming through on the text line. One of them's Margaret, who says a bit of controversy. I just opened a brand new bottle of the same chewing gum and there were forty five pieces in it. I feel like that's a Rigley's problem, not a five double a breakfast. 01:25:09 Speaker 6: I'm blaming. 01:25:10 Speaker 5: I'm happy to blame Pat generally speaking, I don't know if he's got a case or not on this one. Margaret, thank you. We are not going to ask all of our audience to buy bottles of extra to data account them. But you know, if you feel so inclined, w are we to stop you les? For example, among our skeptics, Less says Coshi's bluffing the Magpies can't join the vfel there's already a Magpies in the VFL. I can't imagine Collingwood have any problem with another black and white team. Mark makes the same point. He says, will they be able to use the Magpie logo if they're in the AFL reserves, that's very no, absolutely not. They'll be put power port Adelaide, the power. 01:25:48 Speaker 6: Beautiful, so everything will change everything, which. 01:25:51 Speaker 5: They won't be a Magpies. I would imagine the question for Coshi next week. All right, well, let's speak to the police commission. He's in the five doubla breakfast studio. Whether you can watch on the face book and YouTube a live stream commissioned good morning. 01:26:02 Speaker 12: Do you morning, Will morning Stacy? 01:26:03 Speaker 6: Will you investigate the Wrigley's chewy controversy that's upholding at the moment. 01:26:08 Speaker 12: I can't see us diverting any resources. 01:26:10 Speaker 24: But what I would say if that was something that done by the South Australia Police, we would have bought about fifty packets of Wrigley's extra, we would have counted them all and we would have. 01:26:17 Speaker 12: Come up with an average. 01:26:18 Speaker 5: So is that right? 01:26:19 Speaker 12: Well, we would have done it more. 01:26:21 Speaker 5: You have more resources than us. We're just taking seriously, Well, let's get on too much more serious matters. 01:26:31 Speaker 6: Taking thing seriously. We've just reported that the government's changing the legislation when it comes to being able to release someone who has assaulted an emergency services worker before their prison term ends. This is after Rayna Cruse case. Obviously, I assume this is something that you welcome. 01:26:49 Speaker 24: Absolutely, it's not changing their legislation. The ministers issued a ministeri or direction, so he's

provided that to the Chief Executive of Corrections, which bounds that chief executive, binds that chief executive to follow a certain course of action in accordance with that direction. So, as you've heard, if you assault or cause intentionally or recklessly cause harm to an emergency services worker, you won't be one of those people considered for home detention. And we think this is exactly what should be in place. I'd probably go further to say, if you are convicted and given a custody or sentence for an offensive violence, there should be significant extenuating circumstances that would see you being considered for home Absolutely, you've hurt someone else, and if the court sees fit to give you a custody or sentence, then that non parole p you periods should be applied. 01:27:43 Speaker 6: To that point'd be the responsibility once that person's released would be on sapole to follow up any potential further allegations of wrongdoing or anything like that. Do you does SAPLE have a say prior to someone being released to get informed? 01:28:02 Speaker 12: Excuse me? 01:28:03 Speaker 24: So, any breaches of home detention are initially the responsibility of the Department of Corrections, so they follow up breaches of home detention obligations. And in the case of Rena Cruz, my understanding is she popped up on social media, but that was not the reason that the Chief Executive intervened. He found out about this and made the call based on his overarching authority to rescind that home detention, which we fully supported. I've spoken to the Head of Corrections and he's assured me that there are processes in place now that will ensure that prior to the Minister's direction that they were having a stronger oversight framework to make sure people of this type weren't given home detention. 01:28:51 Speaker 12: What was the second part of your teation? 01:28:53 Speaker 6: Does say Pole to say or get informed before someone's release? 01:28:57 Speaker 12: There is a. 01:28:57 Speaker 24: Committee that sits within the Department of Corrections and that they're making this decision quite frequently in relation to releasing people who are eligible and appropriate for home detention. We have a person on that committee, and we provide information regarding public safety and our views on the suitability of that person for home DO and then the committee is there's a person who runs the committee and they make the ultimate decision. We are we're part of a recommendation process. 01:29:24 Speaker 6: So you yeah, did you know about Rayna Cruse's release before she was No, we didn't know. 01:29:30 Speaker 24: The person who sat on the committee. My understanding is they did not support the recommendation. But once again, it's only a recommendation made by another person. 01:29:38 Speaker 5: That's the outrage. 01:29:40 Speaker 6: So they have a committee of people who decide if someone should be released before their sentence ends. There's someone from say Paul on the committee, and that person from say pol said we don't support this. That's right, and it still happened. 01:29:51 Speaker 12: But there are a range of considerations, so I'm not in this case. 01:29:56 Speaker 24: Obviously, we were offended by the decision to allow her home detention, but as I said that, they're doing this quite frequently. This committee meets quite frequently to consider people who are eligible and appropriate for home d and I support that process. I think home detention has its place for the right person, but not people who assault police. 01:30:16 Speaker 5: I think it will surprise our listeners to hear that if a judge can say you should be behind bars, and police officers asked about their opinion, they say, no, this person should remain behind bars. Someone else says. 01:30:28 Speaker 6: A public servant. 01:30:29 Speaker 5: A public servant says no, I think you guys all might have this one wrong. 01:30:33 Speaker 12: Yeah, well, you know we outbound by process, a part. 01:30:37 Speaker 5: Of sounds like a pretty ordinary process. I almost said another word. 01:30:41 Speaker 24: I'd like to think they're getting it right more often than they're getting it wrong. And David Brown has assured me that the governance around that has been tightened up. 01:30:48 Speaker 5: So that's a good thing, very generous of you. 01:30:52 Speaker 24: I work in a very complex organization and I know, even though our people do their very best, we don't always get it right either. So there's it's not that I'm being generous. I'm pragmatic about this, and I know how complex these things can sometimes be. And when you delegate your authority to people, you know that you are putting your trust in that particular individual who has that delegation to get it right. 01:31:15 Speaker 12: And we don't always get it right. We're humans. 01:31:18 Speaker 5: So, speaking of governing processes to change tack entirely. Just we've been doing a lot of work this morning about the Sydney Swan saga that's going on there at the moment. If there was a prolonged police investigation involving the Adelaide Football Club, what do what do you do in that case we have in terms of miney, just in terms of your dual role, I would I would. 01:31:38 Speaker 24: Be I would I would identify the complict of interest, as would the club, and I would be quarantined from any discussions or any considerations regarding those particular circumstances, so effectively refused from. Yeah, and you know, it's it's the same as if you know, when my kids were at school, if there's something happened with you. I was the chair of the Mitchem Primary School for a long time. If something happened that related to the school, I would recruise myself from any considerations that came about because of that set of circumstances. It's yeah, we have really rigid processes of managing conflict of interest, and I'm really confident that it. 01:32:14 Speaker 5: Would be It's probably more common

than most people think. I imagine too, because police you are all members of the community, so it's various levels of policing. You've got things you're associated with. 01:32:22 Speaker 24: And I suppose with my role in the interaction I have with different parts of the community, my involvement with Operation Flint's foundation, you know we've had to manage conflicts of interest in that in that aspect, and you know it works. You respect the process, You recognize where there's a potential, where it's an actual or a perceived conflict of interest, and you take steps to make sure that you can hand on hearts say this has been managed properly. 01:32:48 Speaker 5: We took about e bikes for a second. 01:32:49 Speaker 12: Why not it's at the front of everyone's mind. 01:32:52 Speaker 5: Well, at the moment it is. I think there's a lot of people they drive people nuts, and I know that's not driving for things people nuts is not doesn't necessarily for within your remit to fix. 01:33:02 Speaker 12: But there's a I think there's an over it's a little bit of a ven diagram. 01:33:05 Speaker 5: Well, there's a perceived and sometimes actual criminality to some of the behavior. 01:33:10 Speaker 12: Can I can I say first. 01:33:14 Speaker 24: Electric bikes, e bikes, pedal a system, bicycles, scooters, other personal mobility devices. There are hundreds of thousands out there, and I think we are and should be focusing on the ones who have the potential to cause harm to either the user or other road users. I'm suggesting that the most people use these things responsibly and sensibly, but that doesn't mean everyone does, and our focus is on the idiots who cause or potentially cause harm. 01:33:46 Speaker 5: So I'm thinking of an example where you're cruising along at sixty and you get overtaken by an ee bike. 01:33:54 Speaker 12: Our responsibility, yes, yes. 01:33:56 Speaker 5: Because someone has has We've spoken about this before. They've they've put a tubment or the tricked it up, or they've bought one legally and then made it illegal. Do you guys need any more assistance with cracking down on this kind of behavior at the moment? 01:34:08 Speaker 12: I think you're aware that the governation. 01:34:10 Speaker 24: The government made an undertaking when they introduced the legislation back in the first of July twenty twenty five, to review the legislation after twelve months. 01:34:17 Speaker 12: Yes, that review is underway. 01:34:18 Speaker 24: It's being managed by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport. We've put a submission into that review and will continue to work with the department. I think there are opportunities to strengthen the legislation target the people that should be targeted, whether it be in terms of sale and distribution of devices which are unlawful, clamping down on people who do the wrong thing. There's a whole range of things that I think, without going into specifics, would strengthen the legislation. But I'd like to make

sure there's balance there so that the average person who's bought one of these devices in good faith and is using it in accordance with the existing legislation isn't unfairly penalised. 01:34:57 Speaker 5: So you think there's people actually buying the legally that are buying in a legal device illegally at the moment. So they bought it in a way at a shop and they've thought, well, I brought it. I mean, they're not going to sell me something that's. 01:35:08 Speaker 6: Illegal, but there are, so they buy an illegal one thinking it's least some. 01:35:12 Speaker 24: Devices you buy in shops are legal to purchase but not legal to ride on the road. 01:35:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, that's. 01:35:19 Speaker 24: Other people are importing, buying things online that get delivered to their home that don't meet the Australian design standards, don't follow our motive vehicles regulations and they are just illegal. 01:35:31 Speaker 6: So it's hard for consumers to know. 01:35:33 Speaker 24: It's really hard for consumers, and it's hard for the average person who ordinarily would do the right thing to know. 01:35:38 Speaker 12: That they're not doing the right thing. 01:35:40 Speaker 5: That's a consumer law thing, isn't it. 01:35:41 Speaker 24: What's consumer law, And it's about making sure that any changes to our road rules are easily understood by the people that they impact on. So I think that's a really important part of legislation. It's one thing to write law, but if no one can understand it and they don't know they're doing the wrong thing, then I think there's a fairness element there that's got to be addressed. 01:36:00 Speaker 6: Well, that's a good point. Legal or illegal, you should still be a bitting by road rules. 01:36:03 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, no matter week. 01:36:05 Speaker 24: That's where our focus is. Like, we've had an operation running in the Southern Suburbs called Operation Vault since the fourteenth of August, and we are targeting dangerous road users who are using e bikes and scooters, particularly e bikes, and I think on Sunday we had a group of about twenty young people, like a pack of kids on e bikes, yeah, ripping up park lands, the reserves down on the beach, intimidating harassing older people causing damage to cars, and we've arrested six of those young people. 01:36:38 Speaker 12: So that's where our focus. 01:36:39 Speaker 24: Is targeting the ones who are behaving dangerously or recklessly in and around the road area on these e bikes to make sure that they're not being they're not able to do that in the cause of further heart. 01:36:54 Speaker 5: Do you have a view on whether they should be licensed like a driver's license, It. 01:36:58 Speaker 24: Depends what you're talking about. That we see causing the most concerned to us are basically electric motorbikes. They should be licensed and they should be registrable. A lot of these electric motorbikes are not registable because they don't meet Australian design standards. If you're on a pedal assisted bicycle, then I think we need to be clear about is it something that is lawful, lawfully purchased, hasn't been tricked up and has been used in a safe and efficient manner. So I think that's where we need clarity. 01:37:28 Speaker 6: So tricky, isn't it. There's so many levels to this. 01:37:31 Speaker 24: You know, we are introducing legislation now after these devices have become prevalent right throughout the community, so you know, the old phrase it's hard to put the toothpaste back in the true so it's got to be a balance. 01:37:43 Speaker 5: Police commissioned a great have you win, Good to see. 01:37:45 Speaker 2: You, Thanks, knockdown bill too with Metro Homes, Sell one and move on, keep the other as an investment. 01:37:53 Speaker 3: Metro Homes they do it. 01:37:54 Speaker 19: All for you. 01:37:55 Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacy Lee. This is five double a breakfast five denied. Lots of texts coming through following our chat with the police, gem Indistry about. 01:38:04 Speaker 6: E bikes and more lots of people. Con says e bikes don't trigger a red light camera flash. 01:38:10 Speaker 5: I wasn't aware of that. It makes sense. I guess they don't trigger the thing. 01:38:14 Speaker 6: Frank thinks all e bikes need to be registered and ensured. That is the only way to track down offenders. And look like I said, this is so hard because once you go down the path of having to register and ensure e bikes, what about regular bikes? Sometimes regular bikes can go faster than YEAH bikes. 01:38:30 Speaker 5: So then there's a spectrum of e bikes, says the commissioner was saying as well, I knew someone who had a bike shop that sold e bukes, but they were barely evolved bikes. Now, the ones on the news that I saw the kids riding, they just look like motorbikes, a lot of them. 01:38:45 Speaker 6: So, and I can personally understand that if you're going to ride something that is assisted, you know, that is powerful and heavier than a regular bike, then you would need to have a basic level of road rules understanding, so maybe a basic life since having a license. I think personally, I don't think that would be offensive. No, if you're going to be using one of these things on our road, you need to know the road rules and have a license to do it. But it does have ramifications. 01:39:11 Speaker 5: Well, what I think is not what's not difficult to define is if it can go a certain speed and you've artificially made it capable of that, that should be that should be a serious offense. Yeah, that's not hard. You've manipulated with it and you're breaking the speed limit. We've kind of got already robust laws to deal with those sorts of things, so I think everyone will appreciate that kind of thing being cracked down on. Let's have a look at the fuel watch on this Wednesday morning. The cheapest spots the Hugo Salisbury Highway Salisbury Downs dollar ninety three point five. We've been sort of locked in a consistent cycle at the moment where that's where the low prices have kind of been the mid dollar nineties. It's a few spots like that, all at a dollar ninety four point five. The Yugo Port Road West Time Marsh, the Solo May North Road at Nailsworth, the United Grand Junction Rode at Wingfield, and the Silver was also Center Gilbert Street, Adelaid Cheeps Diesel two dollars forty point nine thanks to everyone who's counting the number of chew weeks in there a bottle of extra as well, because quite an investigation going on see tomorrow Track boun. 01:40:23 Speaker 13: Cruising. 01:40:25 Speaker 1: No, we're done. 01:40:26 Speaker 5: It's a street. 01:40:33 Speaker 6: Street