התמלול המלא של Inside Goat Mountain Recording: Pat & Susan Kearns’ Desert Music Studio

Portland, Oregon. Between, 73 00:04:43,904 --> 00:04:47,464 I had that studio between 2007 and 2017. 74 00:04:48,565 --> 00:04:52,545 Gentrification and Urban development rolled up the street. 75 00:04:53,085 --> 00:04:55,305 It used to be kind of in a warehouse area, 76 00:04:56,045 --> 00:04:58,825 and the train tracks and the light rail were below. 77 00:04:59,725 --> 00:05:02,665 And the train tracks and the light rail are still there. 78 00:05:02,685 --> 00:05:07,464 But now in between my studio and the, the, that is a giant, like 79 00:05:09,535 --> 00:05:13,714 six or eight story apartment building with retail shopping and 80 00:05:14,995 --> 00:05:18,075 a lot of, lot of outside noise. Yeah. A lot of traffic. Yeah. 81 00:05:18,145 --> 00:05:21,875 Just more going on and more people potential to, for noise complaints. 82 00:05:22,355 --> 00:05:22,714 I, 83 00:05:22,714 --> 00:05:25,115 I think they were setting him up for like two years of construction where they 84 00:05:25,116 --> 00:05:26,595 were drilling an underground garage. 85 00:05:27,745 --> 00:05:31,195 Like literally stones throw six feet away from the studio. Yeah. 86 00:05:31,214 --> 00:05:32,047 That's not gonna work. 87 00:05:32,475 --> 00:05:36,115 They, they didn't actually take my studio, but the construction and everything. 88 00:05:36,315 --> 00:05:37,475 And we looked at the situation. 89 00:05:37,665 --> 00:05:40,595 It's funny 'cause it's act, the building is actually still there. And like, 90 00:05:40,596 --> 00:05:41,515 there's this towering, 91 00:05:42,475 --> 00:05:47,005 gigantic six story complex. So now you surround, now. 92 00:05:47,205 --> 00:05:51,565 You're out here off the grit. It's kinda the opposite. Yeah. 93 00:05:51,714 --> 00:05:54,805 Yeah. I mean, that was tied into this a little bit. 94 00:05:56,785 --> 00:05:59,385 We, we were coming down here a lot to the desert, 95 00:05:59,735 --> 00:06:04,545 like when this whole gentrification situation at my recording studio 96 00:06:04,685 --> 00:06:05,904 became app apparent. 97 00:06:07,045 --> 00:06:11,625 And we realized that if we cashed in up in Portland and just sold 98 00:06:11,675 --> 00:06:16,135 everything, we could move here and land was cheap here. 99 00:06:16,136 --> 00:06:18,735 And we could kind of like, figure out a way to rebuild. 100 00:06:20,075 --> 00:06:24,455 Our friend Nacho was in our life. And so it was really like the, the team, 101 00:06:25,195 --> 00:06:27,495 and not just Nacho, 102 00:06:27,515 --> 00:06:32,375 but everybody was in place for us to kind of try to do 103 00:06:32,376 --> 00:06:33,295 something like this. 104 00:06:33,755 --> 00:06:38,615 And so once we had the realization and we had the realization very 105 00:06:38,616 --> 00:06:41,335 quickly but once we had it, 106 00:06:41,336 --> 00:06:44,895 it became a thing that was hard to turn away from, of like, well, 107 00:06:44,896 --> 00:06:48,615 if we don't try this, you know, we're always gonna wonder about that.. 108 00:06:50,295 --> 00:06:51,128 And so we did it. 109 00:06:52,355 --> 00:06:56,595 And, and now that you have your own studio and you guys are the Kerns family, 110 00:06:56,745 --> 00:07:00,395 your own your own bands, so you're recording your own music, 111 00:07:00,415 --> 00:07:05,315 but then you're also helping other folks record and do the audio as well. Yeah. 112 00:07:05,795 --> 00:07:09,195 I, well, I got involved in this whole business. I started as a musician. 113 00:07:09,395 --> 00:07:14,315 I got involved in recording just 'cause it was a a way to cut cost 114 00:07:14,375 --> 00:07:16,915 if I did it myself and that sort of thing. 115 00:07:18,265 --> 00:07:22,845 But as I was doing that other people asked me to help them out and do things 116 00:07:22,846 --> 00:07:24,565 like that. And so over time 117 00:07:26,935 --> 00:07:30,425 I've been very fortunate and gotten to work with a lot of really neat people. 118 00:07:31,345 --> 00:07:35,665 And obviously you're good at your craft because you're out here off the grid. 119 00:07:35,685 --> 00:07:39,625 You're, you're not exactly. I mean, it's beautiful, but it's not, 120 00:07:40,295 --> 00:07:41,545 it's a little bit outta the way. 121 00:07:42,205 --> 00:07:46,545 One of the hard things about being in a city, so many people have access to you. 122 00:07:46,905 --> 00:07:50,425 And this is just from a recording studio point of view, 123 00:07:50,545 --> 00:07:54,385 I found myself doing multiple short sessions in a day, 124 00:07:55,505 --> 00:07:57,185 juggling so many songs in a week, 125 00:07:57,255 --> 00:08:00,985 like moving between projects so fast that it was hard to keep track of 126 00:08:00,986 --> 00:08:05,465 everything that I needed to in my head. Melodies, structures, things going on, 127 00:08:06,125 --> 00:08:10,305 moving out here as slimmed that down 128 00:08:10,925 --> 00:08:14,945 to where I'm, I'm generally working on bigger blocks. I might still like, 129 00:08:14,946 --> 00:08:18,865 go through a week where each day I work on something different. It. 130 00:08:18,865 --> 00:08:21,705 Becomes a destination studio for many too. Sure. 131 00:08:21,725 --> 00:08:25,585 He retains a lot of his old clients. Yeah. They're all his best studios. 132 00:08:25,945 --> 00:08:26,585 They're all still coming. 133 00:08:26,585 --> 00:08:29,385 So like everybody is curious about it and they wanna come to the desert and 134 00:08:29,386 --> 00:08:31,985 like, you know, hang it kind of, you know, 135 00:08:32,205 --> 00:08:34,225 it kind of just becomes this destination place. 136 00:08:34,285 --> 00:08:37,585 And the desert kind of like ends up sneaking into some of these recordings. 137 00:08:37,915 --> 00:08:41,625 Right. and I would imagine the desert also is in your, 138 00:08:42,125 --> 00:08:45,375 the music that you've created together. Definitely. 139 00:08:46,255 --> 00:08:49,415 You have an album called Together and Alone. Yes. Yeah. 140

00:08:49,635 --> 00:08:52,095 Now this came out just this year. Yeah. 141 00:08:52,275 --> 00:08:54,455 End of January, 2025. 142 00:08:55,505 --> 00:08:59,405 It came out and it's just the two of us on the album. 143 00:08:59,665 --> 00:09:03,605 It was recorded here live. And 144 00:09:05,145 --> 00:09:08,525 we did some editing. I mean, you know, I'm an audio engineer. Right. 145 00:09:08,765 --> 00:09:13,165 I did some editing and I, I used some of like, I like analog delays. 146 00:09:13,225 --> 00:09:17,285 So I used an old tape echo and a space echo excuse me, 147 00:09:17,286 --> 00:09:21,605 an old echo plex and a space echo 148 00:09:22,184 --> 00:09:24,125 for delays on the album, that kind of thing. 149 00:09:24,425 --> 00:09:28,335 And together and Alone, those are two words that meet the, meet in the opposite. 150 00:09:28,565 --> 00:09:32,615 Yeah. The, but it's it's just the two of us.. 151 00:09:33,176 --> 00:09:34,455 And that's it is the Point. 152 00:09:34,554 --> 00:09:39,455 And so it was I think the title is exactly about what you said 153 00:09:39,456 --> 00:09:40,735 it was to contrast that. 154 00:09:42,684 --> 00:09:46,135 That you can be together yet alone.. You know. So. 155 00:09:46,135 --> 00:09:49,295 What, what genre would you describe your music as? 156 00:09:50,325 --> 00:09:52,915 We've been I've been using the term Western folk.. 157 00:09:55,135 --> 00:09:57,355 It kind of is traditional, but it has, 158 00:09:57,375 --> 00:10:01,804 it definitely has elements of like the Old West and imagery of the desert.. 159 00:10:02,625 --> 00:10:05,645 And the Old West. And we like to watch a lot of Old Western movies do. 160 00:10:06,285 --> 00:10:06,765 . 161 00:10:06,765 --> 00:10:11,765 I needle my wife too because we both handle the booking of the band. 162 00:10:12,425 --> 00:10:16,725 But she did a string of emails this summer where she started using the Western 163 00:10:16,915 --> 00:10:17,748 Folk thing. Yeah. 164 00:10:17,845 --> 00:10:20,405 I don't even know if it's a real genre what is, you know what I mean? Like. 165 00:10:20,405 --> 00:10:24,405 Yeah. Like what's a genre? I think we're the only one in that genre so far, 166 00:10:24,765 --> 00:10:28,445 . But I mean, there's some other people I think you can put in there. 167 00:10:28,955 --> 00:10:31,005 When I saw it, I thought it was really neat. I. 168 00:10:31,005 --> 00:10:33,445 Thought it was the most accurate thing. I used to describe it. 169 00:10:33,965 --> 00:10:37,885 I read about Gamblers, drifters, and the Broken Hearted. Was that, 170 00:10:37,985 --> 00:10:41,285 was that your writing or did somebody else a critic come up? Our. 171 00:10:41,285 --> 00:10:45,405 Friend Will Amato was working on something, 172 00:10:46,045 --> 00:10:50,765 a project of his own where he needed bios for a whole bunch of people that he 173 00:10:50,766 --> 00:10:53,885 was including in his project. It sort of, 174 00:10:54,085 --> 00:10:59,005 I believe his project is like a capture of people that are 175 00:10:59,006 --> 00:11:02,445 out here in the desert doing weird stuff like us 176 00:11:04,215 --> 00:11:08,785 artists and things like that. He actually had AI write the Bio , 177 00:11:09,205 --> 00:11:12,425 so I'm sure this is so funny 'cause I, when I saw that, 178 00:11:12,426 --> 00:11:15,105 I read that and I was like, that's weird. It's pretty accurate. 179 00:11:15,245 --> 00:11:18,625 But is there a gambler on the album? Oh, 180 00:11:18,895 --> 00:11:20,505 Charlie's kind of a gambler. 181 00:11:21,434 --> 00:11:23,845 Tell us about that song. I, we, we listened to that song. 182 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:30,125 I tried to, on this album let things really bubble up from my subconscious. 183 00:11:30,934 --> 00:11:32,395 And that particular song, 184 00:11:33,175 --> 00:11:37,795 the way it started out was a couple lines I found in my own 185 00:11:38,075 --> 00:11:41,715 notebook, in my own handwriting that I just, 'cause I collect things constantly. 186 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:45,115 I hear something that I think sounds interesting or cool, 187 00:11:45,585 --> 00:11:47,515 I'll write it down in my song notebook. 188 00:11:48,585 --> 00:11:53,205 And I went back to write this song one to intentionally write a song one 189 00:11:53,206 --> 00:11:57,965 afternoon and but didn't really have any ideas and went into the notebook to see 190 00:11:57,966 --> 00:12:01,525 what was there. And there were a couple lines in it. One, 191 00:12:01,765 --> 00:12:04,804 I knew where it came from and I knew I was making fun of myself. 192 00:12:05,545 --> 00:12:06,485 And then the other one, 193 00:12:06,575 --> 00:12:11,565 which is the one you just referenced about you Can't Be Smart to Hang with 194 00:12:11,566 --> 00:12:12,485 Charlie . 195 00:12:13,125 --> 00:12:17,645 I don't know where that came from or where I heard that it was just there and it 196 00:12:17,646 --> 00:12:19,684 was great 'cause Charlie's name was there. 197 00:12:20,385 --> 00:12:22,925 And I used that as the opening line. 198 00:12:23,205 --> 00:12:25,245 I just sat down and started playing these chords. 199 00:12:25,505 --> 00:12:30,205 And the melody started to pop reveal itself. Not all at once, 200 00:12:30,345 --> 00:12:32,565 but just like the first line and where it was going. 201 00:12:51,785 --> 00:12:55,605 You can't be smart to hang with Charlie 202 00:13:00,925 --> 00:13:04,725 because Charlie always does for thinking 203 00:13:10,485 --> 00:13:14,405 his New Year's car needs an oil change. 204 00:13:19,395 --> 00:13:22,525 Tags expired two years ago. Today. 205 00:13:28,465 --> 00:13:32,405 You can't be straight to hang with Charlie 206 00:13:37,684 --> 00:13:41,605 because Charlie's always high And Drinking. 207 00:13:47,525 --> 00:13:51,245 He's a good friend. He's always pouring 208 00:13:56,195 --> 00:13:59,845 even when it rains Up in Heaven. 209 00:14:05,225 --> 00:14:09,925 What usually comes first? Is it

the, is it the, the melodies, the music or the, 210 00:14:09,985 --> 00:14:12,885 or the lyrics? Or is it kind of combination back and forth? 211 00:14:13,405 --> 00:14:15,965 I think it's kind of a combination. There's, they're all different, 212 00:14:16,145 --> 00:14:18,885 but I am possessed by melodies.. 213 00:14:20,565 --> 00:14:23,285 There were a few times we were driving around and I hear this like humming, 214 00:14:23,286 --> 00:14:25,965 you know, passenger seat and he's humming something. I'm like, what is that? 215 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:28,645 And he's like, I don't know, just, I'm gonna get your phone out. Put the, 216 00:14:28,865 --> 00:14:32,045 you know, put the recorder on. And I'm like, you know, let's record it and like, 217 00:14:32,046 --> 00:14:34,125 just have it, you know, 'cause it's gonna go away. 218 00:14:34,465 --> 00:14:37,725 So, and even without her prodding, I mean, I do that too. 219 00:14:37,785 --> 00:14:41,405 And so we have a lot of these things around. I often go back, 220 00:14:41,435 --> 00:14:46,285 like looking for a melody or looking in my book for a line as someplace to start 221 00:14:46,345 --> 00:14:51,005 or both that kind of thing. We have a lot of songs that that come around 222 00:14:52,555 --> 00:14:55,445 that way though. But, and she does do a lot of prodding. 223 00:14:55,446 --> 00:14:57,605 We have another one called, it's Brand New, 224 00:14:57,606 --> 00:15:02,485 called if a Cowboy Goes To Heaven. And I just, 225 00:15:02,486 --> 00:15:03,185 like, 226 00:15:03,185 --> 00:15:08,005 we were getting set up at a gig and I sat down and just played a run on my 227 00:15:08,006 --> 00:15:11,005 guitar. And she's like, what is that? And I was like, I don't know. 228 00:15:11,006 --> 00:15:12,725 I'm recording it right now. just. 229 00:15:12,725 --> 00:15:13,325 Popped in my. 230 00:15:13,325 --> 00:15:16,525 Head. Yeah. And that, that became the, the whole intro for 231 00:15:18,245 --> 00:15:20,285 that it didn't really pop into my head. It, it, like, 232 00:15:20,445 --> 00:15:22,925 I don't feel like my head was very involved in that one. 233 00:15:23,305 --> 00:15:25,205 My hands just sort of played it. Right. 234 00:15:25,605 --> 00:15:26,438 Interesting. Right. 235 00:15:26,686 --> 00:15:30,805 Does the Kerns family play just local or you guys travel and you go on the road? 236 00:15:31,505 --> 00:15:34,245 We actually just came back from a, a cross country tour. 237 00:15:35,315 --> 00:15:39,635 Yep. But we play a lot locally today, but yeah. So yeah, 238 00:15:39,636 --> 00:15:41,195 we play a lot of gigs a year. We. 239 00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:42,595 Go on that one big one like once a year. 240 00:15:42,596 --> 00:15:44,875 And then we're working on some small runs right now. 241 00:15:45,515 --> 00:15:47,035 How do you, how do you find your venues? 242 00:15:48,175 --> 00:15:50,355 You were the one who took the lead on this? Well. 243 00:15:50,595 --> 00:15:53,115 We, we, we just started using this database, 244 00:15:53,335 --> 00:15:57,755 online database called Indie on the move that we book tours with. 245 00:15:57,865 --> 00:16:00,115 It's just a little helping hand to guide us along. 246 00:16:00,615 --> 00:16:04,835 To research some venues and yeah. So the Kerns family, we can't play everywhere. 247 00:16:04,865 --> 00:16:08,155 It's like a specific thing that we're looking for. And it has to be kind of, 248 00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:12,395 you know, a smaller, intimate space. It doesn't have to be a listening room, 249 00:16:12,415 --> 00:16:13,715 but it could be a bar. But 250 00:16:16,515 --> 00:16:19,395 the people are kind of there for the music and not, you know, just the dance. 251 00:16:19,465 --> 00:16:19,955 They're. 252 00:16:19,955 --> 00:16:22,675 Coming to see the music not just as background noise because. 253 00:16:22,775 --> 00:16:26,475 We play Western folk. And people will make, 254 00:16:26,575 --> 00:16:30,955 mix that up with Western Swing or we'll say, we'll play country thing. Yeah. 255 00:16:31,015 --> 00:16:32,595 And they'll think honky tonk. That's. 256 00:16:32,595 --> 00:16:33,635 Why I don't like to use country. 257 00:16:34,235 --> 00:16:37,315 Anymore. Sure. We're not exactly, I mean, you can dance to us, 258 00:16:37,375 --> 00:16:41,525 but it's not exactly you know, honky tonk or, 259 00:16:41,945 --> 00:16:46,525 or that kind of thing.. And so it's really funny, we're, 260 00:16:46,575 --> 00:16:50,445 we're actually trying not to get caught up in those clubs as we're booking 261 00:16:50,446 --> 00:16:55,005 things. But just the same, like, we do really well with the punk rock crowd, 262 00:16:55,505 --> 00:16:58,125 so we'll like, look at a gig like that and be like, Hey, we can, 263 00:16:58,185 --> 00:16:59,445 we could probably like, yeah. 264 00:16:59,585 --> 00:17:04,125 If they're willing to take a chance on a really quiet act we can do that. 265 00:17:04,275 --> 00:17:05,108 That club. 266 00:17:05,345 --> 00:17:06,885 How many stops would you have on a tour? 267 00:17:08,035 --> 00:17:11,725 This one we had 10 total. One was, one was a kickoff gig that was at home.. 268 00:17:12,665 --> 00:17:14,925 And then there was nine on the road. Okay. 269 00:17:15,025 --> 00:17:17,365 So the kickoff gig, the folks actually come here to the. 270 00:17:18,325 --> 00:17:19,125 No, no. 271 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:20,484 It was in it. Joshua Tree. 272 00:17:20,635 --> 00:17:24,925 Yeah. A club in Yucca Valley called Mojave Gold. Got for that one. Yeah. 273 00:17:25,295 --> 00:17:26,244 Great place. And then. 274 00:17:26,244 --> 00:17:27,325 You also have a radio show? 275 00:17:27,725 --> 00:17:28,205 I do. 276 00:17:28,205 --> 00:17:33,085 I am the host of the Z 1 0 7 7 local music showcase outta 277 00:17:33,086 --> 00:17:36,165 Joshua Tree, California . And 278 00:17:37,955 --> 00:17:40,244 yeah, every week I do two hours. 279 00:17:40,925 --> 00:17:45,805 I curate two hours of

music for musicians that live out in this area. 280 00:17:47,625 --> 00:17:51,325 Or sometimes at least have a lot to do with it. I, I played, 281 00:17:51,645 --> 00:17:56,525 I got an incredible song from a band out of the UK this 282 00:17:56,526 --> 00:17:58,965 week called Flying Mojito Brothers. 283 00:17:59,625 --> 00:18:00,565 But . 284 00:18:01,425 --> 00:18:06,405 The vocalist on the track is Ken Lane from Desert Oracle who lives 285 00:18:06,406 --> 00:18:10,645 here in Joshua Tree. And it's just, oh my gosh. It's so good. 286 00:18:10,744 --> 00:18:15,045 And desert Oracle is also a radio program and a podcast, 287 00:18:15,585 --> 00:18:18,845 and Ken just has a vibe. Does. 288 00:18:18,845 --> 00:18:23,005 Desert music have a sound to it? I know Dwight Yoko's got his Bakersfield beat. 289 00:18:23,155 --> 00:18:23,635 Yeah. 290 00:18:23,635 --> 00:18:27,805 Bakersfield has a sound. But, but, you know, sometimes, I mean, 291 00:18:28,885 --> 00:18:30,085 I don't know, at least for me, 292 00:18:30,115 --> 00:18:34,085 it's a pretty far stretch between Merle Haggard and Buck Owens. Yeah. You know, 293 00:18:34,285 --> 00:18:35,565 I mean, there's a thing there, but. 294 00:18:36,625 --> 00:18:39,045 But there's a theme. There's at least a theme. Yeah. I. 295 00:18:39,325 --> 00:18:42,285 Looking out here, I think, I think with the desert, like on some level, 296 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:46,165 like when you say desert music, and I think to a lot of people in the world, 297 00:18:46,225 --> 00:18:50,365 it starts to refer to bands like Queens of the Stone Age and Eagles of Death 298 00:18:50,605 --> 00:18:54,845 Metal. And it's a very narrow thing.. Living out here 299 00:18:56,635 --> 00:19:00,565 it's a much broader thing because there's a lot of singer songwriters. 300 00:19:01,485 --> 00:19:03,925 There's a lot of experimental music people, 301 00:19:03,955 --> 00:19:08,645 there's a lot of experimental fog machining scene. Yeah. There's, it's. 302 00:19:10,244 --> 00:19:10,655 There. 303 00:19:10,655 --> 00:19:14,195 Is something, but it's it about the desert sound, 304 00:19:14,455 --> 00:19:18,035 but it's much more intangible because it can be any genre. 305 00:19:18,655 --> 00:19:19,675 But there's something 306 00:19:21,505 --> 00:19:26,255 about living here where you're a little untethered from the rest 307 00:19:26,315 --> 00:19:28,255 of society and that kind of thing. 308 00:19:28,256 --> 00:19:33,015 And that creeps into music in a way as it does anybody's art. 309 00:19:33,095 --> 00:19:35,575 I mean, I see it in the painters out here. Well, you're. 310 00:19:35,695 --> 00:19:37,935 Surrounded more by nature. I mean, you see stars at night, 311 00:19:37,936 --> 00:19:41,375 you've got critters walking by the house. Yeah. 312 00:19:41,835 --> 00:19:44,535 And, and, but that's not necessarily like that. 313 00:19:44,536 --> 00:19:48,335 You could point to that and say everybody has that. Right. 'cause I don't, 314 00:19:48,395 --> 00:19:51,335 but it, but it, it's a big part of it. 315 00:19:51,515 --> 00:19:55,135 And something about the solitude.. Being alone. Yeah. Yeah. 316 00:19:55,375 --> 00:19:56,975 Think thinking about quietness, we got. 317 00:19:57,285 --> 00:20:00,975 Yeah. My music got, 318 00:20:02,095 --> 00:20:02,415 I mean, 319 00:20:02,415 --> 00:20:06,855 I was never exactly like stupid loud or heavy rock or anything like that, 320 00:20:06,955 --> 00:20:11,535 but everything got way quieter and more 321 00:20:11,565 --> 00:20:12,415 introspective 322 00:20:15,165 --> 00:20:18,385 and starker feeling living here. 323 00:20:19,145 --> 00:20:22,505 I could see why you wanted to get away from the subway in Portland. . 324 00:20:22,785 --> 00:20:23,545 . 325 00:20:23,545 --> 00:20:28,385 I would assume that the local community appreciates getting local music 326 00:20:29,325 --> 00:20:30,158 on the air. 327 00:20:30,545 --> 00:20:32,425 Oh man. I mean, I, yeah. 328 00:20:32,505 --> 00:20:35,505 I feel incredibly well loved by the local and there's so. 329 00:20:35,505 --> 00:20:36,465 Much talent in this area. 330 00:20:37,045 --> 00:20:41,585 And I feel incredibly fortunate to actually be the person that gets to showcase 331 00:20:41,885 --> 00:20:46,545 all that amazing talent. 'cause It's, it's stupid.. For how many, 332 00:20:47,065 --> 00:20:50,285 the number of people who live out here, the, the amount of quality 333 00:20:53,555 --> 00:20:56,765 artists, musicians, every, it is just, 334 00:20:57,234 --> 00:21:00,565 it's a big percentage of the population. Yeah. It feels like it, 335 00:21:00,566 --> 00:21:04,885 it's not everybody. We have everybody here. Right. But it's really, 336 00:21:05,484 --> 00:21:09,885 it kind of amazes me to be the guy. Like first like, 337 00:21:10,125 --> 00:21:14,965 I guess the often the way the process works is they hear my voice on the radio. 338 00:21:15,265 --> 00:21:18,445 And at some point in the show I, I'm like, 339 00:21:19,835 --> 00:21:23,205 give my email address, you know, and say, if you're a local musician, 340 00:21:23,265 --> 00:21:26,605 get a hold of me. And so I, I start getting emails from people. 341 00:21:27,515 --> 00:21:30,685 I've met so many people that live here locally. 342 00:21:30,905 --> 00:21:34,405 The first time I met 'em was by getting an email of like, Hey, like, 343 00:21:35,045 --> 00:21:39,405 I live in Joshua Tree, or I live in 29 Palms or Wonder Valley or wherever, 344 00:21:40,335 --> 00:21:41,168 and 345 00:21:43,015 --> 00:21:47,155 here's my music and here's a little bit about myself. I moved here, whatever, 346 00:21:47,775 --> 00:21:50,475 six months ago, two years ago, 10 years ago, 347 00:21:50,915 --> 00:21:53,155 whatever the thing is to get, 348 00:21:53,156 --> 00:21:57,915 to be the person that gets to share the thing they're sharing with me. 349 00:21:58,295 --> 00:22:02,875 And music is a very personal thing.. It's just really fortunate. And

then, 350 00:22:03,335 --> 00:22:06,195 you know, everybody gets a thrill outta hearing themselves on the radio. 351 00:22:07,055 --> 00:22:08,555 And later on it's, you know, 352 00:22:08,556 --> 00:22:11,675 oftentimes I might be playing a show out at the Palms in Wonder Valley, 353 00:22:11,895 --> 00:22:14,555 and those folks might come and say hello. 354 00:22:15,295 --> 00:22:18,155 And you get to soon be friends with them and the community. 355 00:22:18,435 --> 00:22:23,435 'cause Community's not very big. Right. And it's really 356 00:22:26,005 --> 00:22:29,225 an amazing spiderweb of things that happens. 357 00:22:29,445 --> 00:22:34,385 And one of the things I guess I try to do with the show through that 358 00:22:34,455 --> 00:22:39,055 spiderweb, is I try to rub people up on each other. 359 00:22:39,355 --> 00:22:42,935 So sometimes, like, I don't always do it this way, 360 00:22:43,715 --> 00:22:44,655 but sometimes, like, 361 00:22:44,675 --> 00:22:48,895 if I think two artists should maybe hear each other or whatever, like, 362 00:22:48,896 --> 00:22:52,015 I'll put 'em next to each other and then talk about it. 363 00:22:53,035 --> 00:22:56,135 One of the guys on your crew is Gerald Emrich. 364 00:22:56,515 --> 00:23:01,375 And there was this guy whose music I thought Gerald would like named 365 00:23:01,376 --> 00:23:03,855 Peter Fay, who I was playing on my show, . 366 00:23:03,915 --> 00:23:06,855 And so I tied all that together and it was hilarious getting, 367 00:23:06,975 --> 00:23:11,455 I got a phone call from Gerald this week, and he's like, Hey Peter, miss Peter. 368 00:23:11,645 --> 00:23:15,015 Yeah. He didn't meet Peter, but he wanted to talk about it. Peter's, 369 00:23:15,285 --> 00:23:19,734 Peter's a tough guy, does tracked out. He's but if you can, 370 00:23:19,925 --> 00:23:23,535 it's go see that guy play live. I think he's something real special. Awesome. 371 00:23:23,795 --> 00:23:27,535 And we wanna hear something special ourselves. Will you guys play for us? Yes, 372 00:23:27,815 --> 00:23:28,855 sir. Awesome. Two, 373 00:24:04,675 --> 00:24:06,045 When I was younger, 374 00:24:08,385 --> 00:24:09,925 my mind was sharp. 375 00:24:12,065 --> 00:24:14,965 The paint wasn't peeling and 376 00:24:16,525 --> 00:24:17,358 love and heart. 377 00:24:19,385 --> 00:24:22,125 Now the dust keeps creeping in 378 00:24:24,885 --> 00:24:25,718 the corner. 379 00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:46,525 In the album. There's a, a painting at the bottom. Yes. Is this, 380 00:24:46,705 --> 00:24:49,805 is this your work? I noticed there's, it is artwork. It allows the studio. 381 00:24:50,355 --> 00:24:54,165 Yeah, it is. I'm a visual artist like an expressionist painter.. 382 00:24:54,565 --> 00:24:55,385 I guess I would call it. 383 00:24:55,385 --> 00:24:57,445 And that's a painting called Somewhere in the Southwest. 384 00:24:58,225 --> 00:25:01,045 And I saw a buffalo and an owl, and. 385 00:25:01,565 --> 00:25:05,605 I use a lot of animal imagery. They're like big splashy paintings. 386 00:25:05,955 --> 00:25:09,405 Have you always been a painter? Yeah, I've always been a painter. Okay. 387 00:25:09,455 --> 00:25:13,565 Since a young child. I, I was an artist, like, everybody kind of like, oh, 388 00:25:13,566 --> 00:25:17,925 she's the artist of the family. So I kind of just grew up with that label. 389 00:25:18,075 --> 00:25:19,045 Pick up a brush and. 390 00:25:19,155 --> 00:25:22,285 Yeah. Pick up a brush. And I went to art school. You did? 391 00:25:22,625 --> 00:25:25,484 And yeah, I just took a painting 392 00:25:27,075 --> 00:25:28,165 kind of post art school. 393 00:25:29,025 --> 00:25:31,925 And I started out a little more realistic and it kind of just got a little more 394 00:25:32,165 --> 00:25:34,125 abstract as I guess many artists do.. 395 00:25:35,566 --> 00:25:37,525 Do you showcase your, your. 396 00:25:37,585 --> 00:25:41,605 Art? I do, I do. Shows mostly local at this point.. I mean, 397 00:25:41,805 --> 00:25:43,285 I would like to branch out at some point, 398 00:25:43,305 --> 00:25:47,965 but my biggest show is it's called the Highway 62 o Open Studio Art Tours.. 399 00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:52,645 And that takes place the first three weeks of October 1st, three weekends. Okay. 400 00:25:52,744 --> 00:25:56,725 And it's a open studio tour where people drive around and you get a map. 401 00:25:56,865 --> 00:26:01,565 And there's like maybe a hundred artists about that participate. Oh, really? 402 00:26:01,905 --> 00:26:04,885 And it's all throughout the Morga Basin. There's some amazing artists. Do. 403 00:26:04,885 --> 00:26:05,845 They come here then? 404 00:26:06,355 --> 00:26:10,165 Well, I do it at another studio. Okay. With a group. 405 00:26:10,265 --> 00:26:13,965 So there's five of us that do it. Five artists. I create my art here.. 406 00:26:14,286 --> 00:26:19,005 But I kind of create it. I'm, I paint open air. So I, I paint outside.. 407 00:26:19,525 --> 00:26:23,125 I get real splashy. And it's not very glamorous. . 408 00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:27,005 Nobody wants to see that studio. And maybe they do, but like, and. 409 00:26:27,005 --> 00:26:29,285 If you, you looked at the map, like last, 410 00:26:29,605 --> 00:26:34,365 I think last year we weren't even where we live wasn't even on the map. Okay. 411 00:26:34,535 --> 00:26:38,805 We're so far out. Right. so to make it easier for people to get there, 412 00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:41,965 she's buddied up with some friends that are closer to town. Gotcha. 413 00:26:42,405 --> 00:26:44,244 . Yeah. It's kinda like a scavenger hunt where you, 414 00:26:44,805 --> 00:26:47,365 and we decide where you're gonna go and which artists you're gonna see. And. 415 00:26:47,555 --> 00:26:50,325 Yeah. And it's actually, they have a catalog, so you could kind of like, 416 00:26:50,805 --> 00:26:55,365 plan out your route. And actually Pat's play there a couple times. Yeah. it's, 417 00:26:55,395 -->

00:26:56,228 it's a party. 418 00:26:56,555 --> 00:26:58,325 Yeah. It's just kind of a hang it's party. 419 00:26:58,765 --> 00:27:03,725 I'll often have my guitar there and my singer songwriter friends who show 420 00:27:03,726 --> 00:27:03,965 up. 421 00:27:03,965 --> 00:27:07,365 I encourage them to bring their instrument and we'll just kind of hang out and 422 00:27:07,366 --> 00:27:12,175 play while people are buying art and doing things. Very cool. 423 00:27:12,515 --> 00:27:15,015 And you're the, you're the standup bass player? I am. 424 00:27:15,335 --> 00:27:16,695 And you also play the electric bass? I do. 425 00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:19,665 Do you have a preference or do you like 'em both. Ah. 426 00:27:20,345 --> 00:27:24,375 Yeah. I get in trouble for my other band mates, but I do like the standup bass. 427 00:27:24,895 --> 00:27:25,595 Really. 428 00:27:25,595 --> 00:27:27,494 And when did you pick up that instrument? 429 00:27:28,175 --> 00:27:31,605 Probably when I was around third, early thirties. 430 00:27:32,125 --> 00:27:35,645 I played guitar when I was a teenager. So I put it down for a long time. 431 00:27:35,665 --> 00:27:39,405 And then I just hung out with a lot of musicians and, you know, 432 00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:41,915 late twenties, early thirties, 433 00:27:42,035 --> 00:27:46,305 I picked up the electric base and started playing that 434 00:27:46,845 --> 00:27:50,415 and after a while, picked up the upright base. 435 00:27:51,755 --> 00:27:56,175 And it was through a project that I was in that was like a chamber pop thing 436 00:27:56,176 --> 00:28:00,335 when that was popular.. People were using a lot of strings Right. 437 00:28:00,395 --> 00:28:04,575 And indie music. Right. and I just thought it would be fun.. 438 00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:07,775 And I bought like a play upright bass, which I still have now. 439 00:28:09,025 --> 00:28:12,965 And I started playing that. And it was I just really, I, I liked it a lot. And, 440 00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:14,244 but it was hard to find after, 441 00:28:14,295 --> 00:28:17,285 after that kind of passed and I'm moved to Portland, 442 00:28:17,345 --> 00:28:20,125 it was really hard to find projects where people were using the upright base. 443 00:28:20,285 --> 00:28:25,005 I was kind of in a rock and roll group of like a scene of people. Right, right. 444 00:28:25,105 --> 00:28:29,125 You know, nobody really wanted the upright base band, but Yeah. Yeah. 445 00:28:29,185 --> 00:28:32,005 One thing led to another, I guess I'm kind of jumping ahead a little bit, but. 446 00:28:33,055 --> 00:28:33,888 How did you guys come? 447 00:28:34,075 --> 00:28:34,915 I started playing play together. 448 00:28:35,925 --> 00:28:39,545 We started playing together. I had a group of songs. 449 00:28:39,705 --> 00:28:41,105 I was always in rock and roll bands, 450 00:28:41,106 --> 00:28:43,625 but I had this group of songs I didn't know what to do with, 451 00:28:43,626 --> 00:28:45,465 they weren't Right for the Rock and Roll Band. 452 00:28:46,865 --> 00:28:49,045 And I asked my friend Greg Odell, 453 00:28:49,055 --> 00:28:53,485 who's a drummer what I should do with them. And he was like, well 454 00:28:55,835 --> 00:28:58,935 we should treat 'em kind of like jazz songs or whatever. 455 00:28:58,965 --> 00:29:00,615 I'll get this jazz kit with 456 00:29:02,175 --> 00:29:06,535 Hyde drum heads and we'll play Real Soft. 457 00:29:06,675 --> 00:29:09,055 And he wanted to get our friend Alan Hunter, 458 00:29:09,235 --> 00:29:13,615 who plays bass for the eels on and off to play upright bass in the project. 459 00:29:13,795 --> 00:29:17,935 But Alan was busy for the next six to eight months. . And so Greg, 460 00:29:18,235 --> 00:29:21,015 he was like, what about Susan? And I was like, oh, like. 461 00:29:21,715 --> 00:29:23,055 Oh. He was like, no, no, no. 462 00:29:23,535 --> 00:29:24,368 . 463 00:29:24,685 --> 00:29:25,655 Well, she, we had. 464 00:29:26,215 --> 00:29:29,695 This bass in our living room, her upright bass, but, but it was never played. 465 00:29:30,575 --> 00:29:33,495 And I said, she never plays that thing. Greg's like, before that. 466 00:29:33,635 --> 00:29:37,095 We just practiced play together. He had his, like, we were both in bands Yeah. 467 00:29:37,155 --> 00:29:39,695 In Portland. Like, I had my thing and he had his and, 468 00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:41,645 we went to each other's shows. Yeah. 469 00:29:41,665 --> 00:29:44,605 We played together a little bit on some one-off things. Yeah. 470 00:29:45,045 --> 00:29:46,805 But never anything like beyond that. 471 00:29:47,025 --> 00:29:51,085 But Greg got us practicing regularly two or three days a week, . 472 00:29:51,385 --> 00:29:56,125 And after about eight weeks of doing that, we, we cut four or five, 473 00:29:56,225 --> 00:29:57,365 six songs in the studio. 474 00:29:58,495 --> 00:30:01,915 And we've been playing together ever since. 475 00:30:02,995 --> 00:30:05,375 And you guys have a practice routine, as I understand it. You, 476 00:30:05,475 --> 00:30:09,535 you make sure that you do a certain number of songs every day or every week, 477 00:30:09,565 --> 00:30:13,495 just so you're, you know Yeah. You've been up on your, on your skills. Yeah. 478 00:30:13,495 --> 00:30:14,535 We play almost every day. 479 00:30:14,935 --> 00:30:17,615 Yeah. We try to play a half dozen songs every day. 480 00:30:18,485 --> 00:30:22,335 It's not really about the number of songs we're playing so much as like, 481 00:30:22,825 --> 00:30:27,475 putting the time in. So if we decide to just work on something for a long dime, 482 00:30:27,476 --> 00:30:30,825 we'll do that. But it's, 483 00:30:30,855 --> 00:30:33,505 it's about just getting down here and playing every day. And, 484 00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:37,385 and doing that kind of thing. It's made it really fun 485 00:30:38,905 --> 00:30:40,945 to do it every day. I, I can't believe it. 486 00:30:42,015 --> 00:30:45,625 It's always more meaningful when your, you know, job is fun. 487 00:30:46,205 --> 00:30:49,425 As cowboy Jack Clements says, we are in the fun business. 488 00:30:49,485 --> 00:30:53,385 If you're not having fun, we, you know, we shouldn't doing this my. 489 00:30:53,505 --> 00:30:58,145 Own. I used to play with some band mate. Band mate in Portland that used to say, 490 00:30:58,146 --> 00:31:00,905 they don't call. It's not, it's called playing. It's not called working. 491 00:31:01,425 --> 00:31:03,505 It's called playing for a reason. Yeah. It should be fun. 492 00:31:04,045 --> 00:31:06,025 So Kearns family, pat and Susan, 493 00:31:06,026 --> 00:31:08,745 thank you so much for being our guest on the road. Thanks. 494 00:31:08,745 --> 00:31:09,545 For having us. Thank. 495 00:31:09,545 --> 00:31:13,225 You. Absolutely. 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