התמלול המלא של What We Learned After 2 Weeks: Dynasty Breakouts, Busts & Trade Value Changes (Ep. 405)

because I feel like oftentimes from the redraft perspective, your best opportunity to find those waiver wire gems that carry you for the full season, excuse me, end up coming in that week one, week two range. And so you have to make very quick decisions. And oftentimes, if you are waiting to see that it is for sure 100% legitimate, it's too late, right? So as dynasty managers, when those consequences are magnified, given the long-term scope, it becomes a trickier. 00:05:51 Speaker 1: Balance, I feel like. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny, Welsh and I do this pentathlon league, Fitzy's in there as well, with DVR every single year. And um Welsh has helped us the last couple years by being hyper aggressive in week one picking up players last couple years and then this year he he was like hey uh Kalen Black I would go up to this and I I just put the bid in and we got him so uh that that stuff definitely happens early in the year last year we got I think Gadsden earlier earlier than anybody else here before that there was a really good wide receiver we got I can't even remember who it is at this point but You want to be very active in Dynasty. You know, I think a lot of people take a more hands off approach. You know, you're in it for the long haul. You don't want to burn all that fab in case somebody big comes up for you a little bit later. And I think sometimes that is a mistake. But, you know, in terms of separating out what's real and what's not, I think you have to look very granularly, right? Like you have to see the guys that are on the field with everybody that's supposed to be there and not getting looks. You have to see, you know, the guys that are in there with their correct quarterback, right? Like, I don't want to take too many things that we've seen from the Falcons early in this year and say, well, this is terrible. The whole thing might be terrible, right? Like that's a definitely, that's definitely a possibility, but let's see what it looks like with Penix with a healthy to, uh, you know, in there at some point, not Cooper, Russian Jack Strand. So go ahead, Fitzy. 00:07:14 Speaker 4: No, I was just going to exactly like, there's just some weird, like Colston Loveland is a good example. The first week he runs has a greater route participation than any other tight end. Just gets shut out. Fluky. Week two, terrible weather conditions in Chicago. Neither team can pass. It's a 9-3 game, so of course, bad numbers for Colston Loveland. Week three, it's probably going to be Tyson Bajent at quarterback for the Bears, so it's going to be a third straight game for Colston Loveland, where you're not getting what you hoped you were getting from this guy who looked like a monster down the stretch last season. But if you turn around and sell him for a third round draft pick and a bag of Doritos, like you're making a huge mistake. 00:07:57 Speaker 2: Right. 00:07:57 Speaker 4: Because the first three weeks, the slow start can easily be

explained away. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: Right. 00:08:02 Speaker 4: Exactly. 00:08:02 Speaker 3: So I think, you know, it's not excuses. It's reasons. 00:08:07 Speaker 4: Right. 00:08:08 Speaker 3: Like, I think that's what it is. Sometimes your reasoning becomes excuses and it doesn't work out. That's just the way the world goes. But I think a lot of times you need to look for reasons over excuses and try to delineate between the two. And it's really tough this early in the season to know which one is which. 00:08:25 Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of. 00:08:26 Speaker 2: Colson Loveland, as of when we started taping this four minutes ago, Tyson Bajet dealing with a concussion and. 00:08:32 Speaker 1: Is in the protocol. 00:08:32 Speaker 4: You've got to be kidding me. 00:08:33 Speaker 2: It might be Case Keenum starting for the Bears this week. 00:08:38 Speaker 3: I mean, I'd rather have Case Keenum than Cooper Rush at any point. I'll say that. At least Case Keenum has a little experience. 00:08:45 Speaker 2: The other angle I want to hit on the signal versus noise thing before we dive in is with Redraft, and you were mentioning Fab, Bogman, with Redraft, you think about this in terms of the waiver wire often. With Dynasty, this is really in regards to trades a lot of the time because the waiver wire is so sparse. Like all of my leagues, none of these types of guys are available, right? So... When you think about the trades fits, not only do you have to decipher what's real for yourself, you have to identify a manager who maybe is viewing it differently. 00:09:17 Speaker 1: Do you have a strategy where. 00:09:19 Speaker 2: Not that you're trying to take advantage of a manager who like just, you know, isn't as smart as you or is thinking the right way, but just who has a different perspective? How do you try to identify that in your dynasty trades when there is a lot of gray area early on and you aren't totally 100% sure if it's signal versus noise? 00:09:35 Speaker 4: You know, there are certain managers in your legs who are a little more knee jerk than others. And it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad managers. I mean, sometimes the early response is like the right response, you know, to like sell a guy who, hey, if you were the person who panicked on, uh you know marvin harrison jr after one year like you you were probably smart to get out and get more than you could get for him right now so um but like just knowing those people and like if you still believe in a player maybe who's off to a slow start or you don't believe in a player who's off to a fast start for you uh the knee-jerk manager might be the one you want to approach first with the trade. 00:10:20 Speaker 3: And they're probably right just as much as, you know, the person that is, you know, sits back and waits too long. You know what I mean? Because both things can happen. You know, you can be very overreactionary and react to every single little thing that happens. And that's those

are the people that give you 15 to 20 trade offers during the offseason versus the guy that doesn't do any of it during the offseason and then kind of lays back the first couple of weeks. 00:10:44 Speaker 2: So. 00:10:45 Speaker 3: Both perspectives can work, but I think both hit rates are probably close to the same. It's just you have more rates if you're that person that overreacts. 00:10:53 Speaker 4: You have more chances. It's good to know where on the patience continuum all of the people in your league fall. 00:10:59 Speaker 3: Right. 00:10:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 00:11:00 Speaker 2: All right, let's get into some actual lessons that we've learned here. It's going to be built around players, so there's not going to be a ton of high-level, macro-level stuff here. It's more just individual players, the lessons we've kind of taken away. 00:11:13 Speaker 1: Through two weeks, Fitz, we'll start with you. Who's the first player you want to talk about? 00:11:17 Speaker 4: Justin Herbert. And I'm going to start with the negative and save the more positive for later. I guess we all had really great expectations for Justin Herbert this year with Mike McDaniel coming in. And we've seen some really good stuff at times from Justin Herbert. And we heard positivity from people like, For instance, Jim Harbaugh, his head coach, who in an interview with Michael Irvin this offseason predicted Herbert would go down as, quote, the best ever to play the position of quarterback. That's pretty high praise. Maybe, you know, a little bit of hyperbole. But right now, Justin Herbert has a lower QBR than any other starter in the NFL except Cooper Rush. He ranks 30th in passer rating. He has two touchdown passes, three interceptions. He's fumbled three times. He ranks 27th in completion percentage. And we cannot blame the matchups in this instance because the Chargers' first two games were against the Cardinals and Raiders. Those defenses might be better than advertised, but it's not like he was facing the Seahawks and Texans. Those teams finished with winning percentages below 200 last year. So I know it's possible. it's just a matter of Herbert and his teammates needing some time to assimilate all the new wrinkles of the Mike McDaniel offense, much the way Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars sputtered a bit early last year when they were trying to learn the Liam Cohen playbook. And a lot of this is on, um, Herbert's teammates too. Like the middle of the offensive line for the chargers looks like a huge problem yet again. Last week, we saw a Rhonda Gadsden break up a pass intended for, um, uh, little fast guy brennan thompson um did you guys see that play he looked like a defensive back yeah third and long and like herbert makes this like off-platform throw kind of like three quarters throwing motion to get the the throw underneath the arms of an outstretched uh pass rusher looks like it's going to be a perfect dart to convert this third and long and a ronde gadsden

like running a route in the same area, like dives to try to catch it, I guess. And like with one hand bats it away, it's just been Keystone cop stuff for the chargers early on. But nonetheless, Herbert has not really done anything to elevate this offense for a couple of years now. And I'm just starting to wonder, like we're starting to run out of excuses for Herbert to take the next step because like, this is what his seventh NFL season is. maybe we have to come to grips with Justin Herbert being just an average starter instead of the potential top five dynasty quarterback. I think we all thought he could become. 00:14:10 Speaker 2: His ranking right now in dynasty is QB seven. Um, you know, he's behind Alan May, Daniels, Lamar, Burrow, and Caleb ahead of Hertz, Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence. 00:14:22 Speaker 1: Which I think is an interesting one. 00:14:23 Speaker 2: Um, given that he's playing better and is younger, uh, Brock Purdy who just continues to produce. 00:14:29 Speaker 1: So, Yeah, it's an interesting spot for Herbert. 00:14:32 Speaker 2: I'm not quite ready, Bogman, to say like I'm out on the Herbert McDaniel experience, obviously, but you could hardly have asked for a worse start. And to Fitz's point, it's not that it's just Herbert playing poorly. It's that the entire team, both sides of the ball, not even that that's relevant to fantasy, is not going well. I kind of expected the defense to maybe not be so great without Jesse Minner, and that has not been surprising to me. 00:14:56 Speaker 1: But I thought that that was going to only benefit. 00:14:58 Speaker 2: The offense and particularly Herbert from a fantasy perspective and they would have to throw more, but it. 00:15:02 Speaker 1: Just really hasn't worked. 00:15:04 Speaker 3: This team has had five different offensive coordinators since Justin Herbert arrived in 2020, right? Like they have gone through the ringer and I think a lot of this is early season figuring out Mike McDaniel's offense, right? Like I don't want to sit here and make excuses and I do think that you know, if we get to the end of this year and it's almost exactly like it was last year, then that is definitely going to be on a Herbert. For right now, you know, they had offensive line issues right before the season started. The wide receiver core, probably not as good as we like, specifically with Ladman Conkey banged up as well. And it's just, it's been a weird start. So I'm, I understand the concern, but I can tell you right now, if, you know, if the Chargers offered the Steelers, Justin Herbert for a first round pick that they're doing it right. So maybe a change of scenery would be necessary or something. Maybe Harbaugh needs to go and, you know, bring in a whole new group here or something. But yeah, this cannot continue and look exactly like it was last year and expect for movement not to happen somewhere. So it is very concerning. I think it really stinks for Herbert. If you're in one QB league, good. If you're in a super flex league, It's going to be super hard to replace him. So that that makes things difficult. I'm I would say I would be willing to buy on Herbert right now, Fitzy, which if you had to sway one way or the other, are you buying on Herbert or would you say maybe after a couple of good games, I'm going to go ahead and sell on Herbert because another OC and this looks kind of ugly again. 00:16:44 Speaker 4: I mean, I'd sell like if you have Herbert in a super flex league and you're you have any designs on a championship, you're probably not in a position where you could sell. But if I didn't think I had any championship aspirations that were realistic, I might be willing to sell them. Like, would you guys rather have Brock Purdy right now or Justin Herbert in dynasty? 00:17:08 Speaker 3: I think I still want the upside of Herbert, but that's, I mean, it's getting closer every day. 00:17:12 Speaker 4: Yeah. I've flipped. I'd rather have Purdy. 00:17:15 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd rather have Purdy certainly the rest of this season. 00:17:18 Speaker 2: But, yeah, it's so tantalizing to not want to give up on what feels like the talent of Herbert that I don't know that. 00:17:26 Speaker 1: I could get there. But, like, I think that's a totally valid question. 00:17:29 Speaker 2: And, like, at a certain point, Purdy's just produced enough that stop worrying about that, oh, his arm isn't as strong as Justin Herbert's. 00:17:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares? Exactly. 00:17:37 Speaker 4: But, I mean, like, I'm just– I'm so worried that we're never going to see Herbert max this out, that I'm to the point where I might be willing to take like Fernando Mendoza and change for him. 00:17:50 Speaker 2: I think I need, if it doesn't work with Mike McDaniel throughout the course of the season, then I'll be at that point. I think I need more than two weeks to say, this isn't going to work with. 00:17:58 Speaker 3: How many weeks. 00:17:59 Speaker 4: Six. 00:18:00 Speaker 1: I was going to say four to six was, was what I was thinking. 00:18:04 Speaker 3: That's about right too. But, but I mean, Fitzy might be, Because he might be right about this in early, but it too means you're going to get more value. 00:18:11 Speaker 4: It's also worth noting, like, the Mike McDaniel offense has never really worked that great when Tyreek Hill hasn't been on the field for him. 00:18:20 Speaker 3: Sure. Tyreek Hill's a free agent. 00:18:22 Speaker 2: But it's so hard to say, like, is that a Tua stat or a Tyreek stat? And I don't know the right answer. Debro's been all over that, by the way. Just quickly, do you guys agree? Like, I would rather have Trevor Lawrence than Justin Herbert, and he's three spots lower in consensus. Agreed. 00:18:36 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that one's easy for me. I'd prefer Lawrence. 00:18:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't look great either. 00:18:39 Speaker 2: I mean, he had a good week one against a terrible team, and then not great week two. But

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Start your free Dynasty league today at LeagueTycoon.com. And for contract Dynasty leagues, that's promo code PROS to get your first season free. League Tycoon, the official Dynasty football sponsor of the Fantasy Pros Dynasty podcast. 00:19:47 Speaker 1: All right, Bogman, who's your first player here? 00:19:49 Speaker 3: Let's go to Marvin. Harrison Jr. And he and the Cardinals need a divorce, I think is the biggest thing here, right? Two games. His sat line is four targets, one catch, 33 yards. That's his 2026 season through two weeks, through 11.7%. Like Fitzy said, he has one damn catch. You know, Kendrick Bourne has 11 targets, 10 catches for 86 yards. Michael Wilson, who got an extension, has only seven catches, but for 74 yards. Jeremiah Love has more catches. Tyler Algier has more catches than Marvin Harrison Jr. He has four catches for 18 yards. It's probably too early for like advanced stats on any player. But if you look at Marvin Harrison, bottom three percentile and first read share at 4.5%. bottom two percentile on target share at 4.6%, bottom 36% in separation score at 0.00. And there are tons of teams that could use a wide receiver. I mean, my biggest thing is why don't the Colts trade for him? I know they've already traded picks because they got sauce Gardner, but they've had wide receiver issues. Alec Pierce just got hurt again. Uh, Lake on tread. Well, it's trying to fumble the game away, right? Like, um, And his dad used to play there. Maybe just a change of scenery is what Marvin Harrison needs. And I don't know that the cost is going to be that expensive right now because Marvin Harrison is not producing at all. And I got pushback both ways on Marvin Harrison in the offseason when I said, look, I expect this to be a big year. I got hate for that. And then I said, but if this year isn't good, I'm done with Marvin. And I got pushback for that as well. So for all the fence sitting, I'm out. I'm done with Marvin Harrison Jr., I think I'm all the way out now, but I would at least like to see what he would look like in a different setting on a different team anywhere else. And if he does get traded, maybe then I would look to buy very cheap, but it would have to be exponentially cheap right now because this is one of the bigger busts that we've ever seen come out of the draft. I mean, we were talking about this guy as a can't-miss prospect. Everybody was, and he has missed wholly and completely. 00:22:04 Speaker 1: Do you think he will get traded, Bogman? 00:22:06 Speaker 3: I think he should. I don't know if it happens in season, but he definitely has to go. He cannot be in Arizona anymore. Brissette doesn't look his way. What's the point of having him, right? I understand it's a bad look from the top down when you trade a top five pick after two, three seasons here, but this looks miserable. This is just an untenable situation for everyone involved. So I just think it would be Good for Marvin Harrison Jr., good for the Cardinals to cut your losses, get a divorce, get this guy on a different team in a different way, get a pick back, whatever it is, and just move on. This is not working. 00:22:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, Fitz, I feel like I'm, and again, two weeks ago, I was like, I want to give him one more chance. I am ready to shut the door on his tenure in Arizona. I'm not ready to put the nail in the coffin on him as a productive NFL receiver somewhere else. But it is just abundantly apparent that it's not going to happen here. 00:23:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I mentioned the trade I made in one of my leagues earlier in the offseason when I traded Marv for the 109 in the 2026 rookie draft and a future what's going to be a late second in 2027. And I know some people in my league thought I came away a little light with that. But now, like, I don't think you could get that much for him. anymore. 00:23:29 Speaker 3: Who'd you take a nine? Did you take, cause I'll take Denzel Boston over him all day. 00:23:33 Speaker 4: I've got a troublesome. Oh, I would have loved to have taken Boston. I've got a troublesome QB situation. So I took Ty Simpson. 00:23:39 Speaker 3: Okay. You're waiting. 00:23:41 Speaker 4: I had to be Johnny Apple seat at quarterback cause my quarterbacks are old and bad. So, um, yeah. 00:23:46 Speaker 3: Uh, dropping like flies right now. 00:23:48 Speaker 4: So they are. And, uh, we've seen some cutups of like Marvin Harrison looking like it, He isn't putting forth the best effort, although they're kind of ISOing on him. You don't know if the quarterback still has the ball yet when he kind of quits on plays or whatever. But yeah, I don't think it's gone well. I think we hope that the role was going to change with Michael Flohr coming in because he didn't seem to fit in Drew Petzing's. He seemed to be doing that, being the cardio guy, being the like outside sacrificial X receiver. And unfortunately, on his four targets so far this season, averaged at the target 23 yards. So it seems like he's still

in that sort of sacrificial X receiver role. And I just, I do think it would be nice for him to get out, but at the same time, it just like, is there going to be hope for him anywhere else? Because it's just not been good. Like, this is not the same dude who we saw legitimately kick butt at Ohio state, a big boy conference going against future NFL players. Like, Where is that Marvin Harrison Jr.? He's gone. 00:24:55 Speaker 3: From Maserati Marv to, you know, Mazda Marv. 00:25:00 Speaker 4: Is there a coaching who can redeem him? Is there a sports psychologist who can redeem him? 00:25:05 Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, as much as I'm, again, kind of done with this from the Arizona perspective and Dynasty perspective, as a Ravens fan whose team is dealing with a lot of receiver injuries, I'd love for them to send a pick and try and see if they can revive some of that, if it's still in there. You know, and there are other teams too. I just think about the– Dolphins, Jets. 00:25:26 Speaker 4: All right. So if you were an NFL team, what round pick would you send? 00:25:30 Speaker 2: I don't know what the Cardinals would need to be willing to just be like mindset of moving off of a guy that was this highly touted top five pick. I would give up any day three pick. Like even like a round four pick, I would give up certainly. If you ask me like a day two– certainly not a first rounder. If you ask me a day two pick, I– think that makes me too nervous and I wouldn't do that. I'd give up a fourth rounder to take the swing. I mean, especially a team like the Ravens, again, as an example, they always have extra fourth round picks from the compensatory stuff. Like, like I think, I think that is a team that would make a lot of sense to take a swing. Um, or a team like, like you were just saying, like by like the dolphins, like that's already bad, but you're trying to take upside swings, stuff like that. I think makes a lot of sense when you get into that, like round two or three, then I'm like, that's, I think that's too much. 00:26:18 Speaker 1: We just haven't seen. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:18 Speaker 3: He's only got two more years or, or, you know, this year, next year on his contract. So I think round four makes sense to me from both sides. But again, the Cardinals might say, Hey, two years ago, we just spent this high of a pick on this guy. We can't do that. 00:26:30 Speaker 1: So, which I totally get. 00:26:31 Speaker 4: And by the way, this is, he is the reason that I've told you guys, as soon as Jeremiah Smith comes out, he's my wide receiver one in dynasty. I think Marvin Harrison jr. 00:26:42 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:26:42 Speaker 4: That's the reason people are going to say that stupid. 00:26:46 Speaker 2: Yes. Which they are not the same player. We cannot emphasize that enough. All right, Fitz, who's your next player you want to talk about? 00:26:55 Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks. And I hate to capitulate on this because I was talking him up this summer. You know, he's torn the same ACL twice, and that was always like part of the risk calculus with him. First surgery, less than successful, tore the same ACL again, what, like 13 months later. But there were reports that the Panthers felt much better about the second ACL repair. They shut him down for a good long time. And then in August, like towards the end of training camp this year, it seemed like things were setting up pretty well for Brooks to have a nice, meaty role early in the season. All systems were go for him health-wise. Chuba Hubbard had a hamstring injury. But then Brooks sustained some sort of groin injury just as Hubbard was on the way back. And Brooks did make it back in time for the start of the season, but he fell behind Hubbard on the depth chart, and now he's aggravated the groin injury, and it looks like he might miss some time. 00:27:47 Speaker 2: So.... 00:27:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy only just turned 23, but he might be one of those guys who never gets traction because of all the injuries. I was in this summer, but I think I'm out now. And I've got him in two dynasty leagues. I don't think I'm going to try to proactively try to trade him in those two leagues because what realistically could I get for him? I'm not going to just give him away for a fourth. I'm just going to ride it out. 00:28:17 Speaker 2: He is back-to-back in Dynasty consensus rankings right now with Chuba Hubbard. 00:28:21 Speaker 1: Who would you prefer, Fitz? 00:28:24 Speaker 4: Hubbard. 00:28:24 Speaker 1: Even with the age difference, you would just rather Hubbard on your team? 00:28:28 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:28:29 Speaker 1: Bogman, where are you at on Brooks? 00:28:30 Speaker 3: I mean, I was down— You were low this summer. Yeah, but I also think that there might be opportunity now. Like Fitzy said, what are you actually getting back for him? If you can trade a fifth-round pick, even in 27, that's going to be a good class, right? to get Brooks just to see that that's the price I'm willing to pay specifically now, because I, you know, Chuba has been great, uh, through two games, but really it's price young. That has been great. And, uh, the whole offense opens up when your quarterback can throw like that. And also, you know, good matchups for first two weeks for the Panthers as well. I don't know that Chuba Hubbard has an iron grip in my whole thing. This whole off season was, I think that Mr. Outside higher in 2027 is the, the answer to who is, the Panthers lead back. I don't know that they're on the roster currently. So the groin injury sucks. I mean, he hasn't been able to do anything right now. Luckily, it's not re-aggravating the knee, so at least there's that. And maybe he can make something by the end of the year, specifically if Bryce Young is going to take that next step, which I'm not... I don't know that I'm completely sold on yet, but he has looked really good. the first two weeks. So, um, I think I'm at this point, I'm more

willing to buy because the stock is down solo, uh, ironically from where we sat in the off season. But I was, you know, my overall thoughts on Brooks have not changed too much injury prone guy. And, um, I need to see it first, and we haven't seen anything because of his injury stuff. 00:30:02 Speaker 2: Fits the three names behind Brooks in the consensus dynasty rankings. Blake Corum, Zach Charbonnet, Jonah Coleman. I'm guessing you'd rather have all three of those guys over Brooks. 00:30:11 Speaker 4: Yes, yes. 00:30:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not surprised. What about your Corey Kroski merit? He's like nine spots lower. 00:30:17 Speaker 4: I think I would rather have Bill at this point. 00:30:21 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:30:21 Speaker 4: Same. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:30:23 Speaker 1: All right, Bob, and who's your next player? 00:30:25 Speaker 3: I was kind of skeptical on Tyler shock. And I think I wasn't so sure in that first half against Detroit either. Like, Oh, maybe Tyler shock is turning into a pumpkin, but since that second half against him, he has looked great. Um, uh, you know, and he still takes too many sacks, 25 of 26 and precious sack rate in 2025. Uh, but he's looked great two weeks in a row here. Um, and this is his number since 2025 fifth and design carry percentage. So he's getting a lot of, rushes as well. Eighth in drop back per game and in completion percentage over expected ninth and turnover worthy throw. So he's not putting the ball in harm's way. Thirteenth in YPA and expected fantasy points per game and 19th and fantasy points per game. But I really think we're seeing Tyler Shuck take the next step and the wide receiver core has gotten better. Chris Olave looks healthy. You know, once we get Jordan Tyson out there, I think things are going to improve a lot as well. The backs are in a weird rotation right now, but Travis H.N. I think is pretty damn good. I don't know how much Alvin Kamara has left, even though he had all those touches last week. But I just really like what I've seen from Tyler Shuck, and I was pretty on the fence coming into the season, so I moved him up in my rankings. So that is one that early in the season I was kind of waiting out to see what he looks like. He turned it on against Detroit. Obviously, you know, beat your Ravens last week to worm. So I think Tyler Shuck has looked really good early in the going, and I am much more positive on him than I was going in even two weeks ago. 00:32:04 Speaker 2: Since week 13 of last year, these are his positional finishes at quarterback. QB 12, QB 6, QB 16, QB 16, QB 9, QB 4, QB 6, QB 8. That is eight straight games where his worst finish is QB 16, which is still totally fine in a super flex format, which a lot of dynasty leagues are. 00:32:24 Speaker 1: And he only did that twice. 00:32:26 Speaker 2: Every other game he has been inside the top 12. And in fact, five of the eight, he's been inside the top 10. Like this is a very consistent stretch dating back to

last season of fantasy production. 00:32:39 Speaker 1: I agree. 00:32:40 Speaker 2: I think he's looked very good again, ever since that first half against Detroit finished. And you know, talking about the Ravens. 00:32:47 Speaker 1: Losing to them. 00:32:47 Speaker 2: Like I really felt like the saints just outplayed him. Like, like I know some of the underlying stats of like the Ravens offensive success rate was like, Oh, like this was one of those, a car about type losses and you know, yada, yada. I felt in the second half of the game, Chuck was great. He was evading pressure really impressively. 00:33:02 Speaker 1: I thought he was finding open receivers. 00:33:04 Speaker 2: And like you said, this is all without their top 10 pick at receiver who's injured right now. And he's going to be coming back soon. The mobility is there. I think that like the Moxie is there. 00:33:14 Speaker 3: Making Valle look good, too. Valle's look good. 00:33:17 Speaker 1: Valle's look good. 00:33:18 Speaker 2: You know, Anthony Weaver, the Ravens defensive coordinator, called him a poor man's Josh Allen before the game. And apparently the Saints like took that as an insult. He meant it as a compliment. He's like, this is playing like a poor man's version of like the MVP of the league. 00:33:30 Speaker 3: So he should have just said he's playing like Josh Allen. 00:33:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. 00:33:34 Speaker 3: Just don't say poor man's. That's all. 00:33:36 Speaker 1: I mean, he is. 00:33:36 Speaker 2: He's not Josh Allen. That shouldn't be an insult. Regardless, I've been impressed by Tyler Shuck. So, yeah, Fitz, I remember I think it was you very early this offseason talking about Shuck as a potential breakout dynasty asset. Correct me if I am misremembering that, but I remember you talking about the running and a guy who was maybe undervalued in the dynasty rankings at quarterback. 00:33:58 Speaker 4: Maybe. 00:33:58 Speaker 2: My one. 00:34:00 Speaker 4: hesitation on Chuck and the reason I wasn't all in on him was that he made his very first start against the LA Rams last year and after that he didn't face another defense that was top 10 in DVOA against the pass so it was a pretty easy schedule but he did pass the eye test against you know lesser pass defenses last year so then week one he goes nuclear after a pretty shaky start against a Lions pass defense that's just ravaged by injuries. No Brian Branch, no Kirby Joseph at safety. They're, you know, that's a team that people are going to be feasting on all year. But then in week two, going into Baltimore and winning there, like that is a tough place to win. And that is a defense that had stuffed Daniel Jones in a locker in week one. And Tyler Shock had a really good game against them. Like not crazy passing numbers, but like really poised, efficient defense. Um, so yeah, I'm excited. Plus he's Kellen Moore. Clearly this dude knows how to design an offense and he is the fastest paced play caller in the

NFL, which gives you additional plays each game, which gives you additional chances to score fantasy points. 00:35:12 Speaker 3: Um, nice adjustments in the second half of both games as well. 00:35:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:35:16 Speaker 4: You know, and Vele has turned out to be a useful piece and he's just a placeholder for Jordan Tyson, who, if he can ever get healthy, he's going to maybe give the saints one of the best pass catching duos in the league. with Olave and Tyson together. So, lot to like here. 00:35:32 Speaker 2: Bogman, he is back-to-back in the consensus rankings with Fernando Mendoza, who we obviously have not seen play in the NFL yet, but was a number one overall pick. 00:35:41 Speaker 1: Would you consider. 00:35:42 Speaker 2: That a fairly even valuation between the two, or do you have a preference for Mendoza? 00:35:47 Speaker 3: I moved him exactly one spot behind Fernando Mendoza, and I didn't look at the consensus rankings before that, so... That's exactly where I think he belongs. What's the number on those two guys? 00:35:59 Speaker 1: 18 for Mendoza, 19 for Shuck. 00:36:01 Speaker 3: I got him at 16 and 17. So I moved them up a little bit there. 00:36:07 Speaker 2: I will tell you this, and this is probably a bit of a going out on a limb here. I was really nervous about Jackson Dart's injury history going into the season. He's already obviously has the sprained MCL. I would rather have Tyler Shuck as my dynasty quarterback than Dart. I don't want to mess with the injury stuff with her. I know it's really high upside when he plays. But it already scared me. We've already seen it rear its ugly head this season. I'd rather take a guy like Shuck, to be totally honest, especially as a QB, too, like in a super flex league where there's not a lot of other options on the wire. Maybe in a one QB I feel differently with the dart upside when he's on the field, but I'd rather have Shuck than dart, which I know is not reflected in the consensus rankings. 00:36:42 Speaker 4: How about Tyler Shuck or Bo Nix? 00:36:46 Speaker 3: I don't know if Bo Nix is a good quarterback. I still have Nix ahead, but I have them in the same tier. 00:36:50 Speaker 2: Nick's being paired with Peyton does carry a lot of weight for me. I just don't know that Bo Nix is that good of a quarterback. So I think maybe Shuck. I feel less good saying that, but I think maybe Shuck. I need to tell you guys about this new prediction market called Poly Market. It's a stock exchange for sports, buying in and selling out on your terms. When your team goes down to 20%, you can buy in and sell it off at 40% when they come back to double your money. They are so confident you'll never go back to the other guys that they are giving you a free $ 50 on your first trade when you deposit just $ 10. So download the Polymarket app today and use FPPOD when you sign up. That's FPPOD to get $ 50 free after you trade just $ 10. 00:37:34 Speaker 1: Fitz, who is your next player you want

to learn a lesson from? 00:37:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Parker Washington. And I think we've learned that he is a superstar. And like we suspected, he might be a superstar over the offseason. And there was a steady drumbeat of positive Parker Washington news after his really strong finish to the 2025 season. But now this former sixth round pick from Penn State has totally defied his draft pedigree. To start the season, 12 catches, 180 yards, one touchdown on 18 targets. 10.1 yards per target, 4.31 yards per route run. A 34.6 Jackson Smith in Jigba type target share, 41.7% of the Jaguars receiving yards, 51.5% of the air yards for Jacksonville's passing game. He runs half his routes from the slot, which helps make him matchup proof because he's going to avoid the outside cornerbacks who shadow the opponent's best receiver. Like this is absolutely for real. And like, he looks good doing it. He gets open. He makes circus catches. Like Parker Washington is that guy. 00:38:52 Speaker 1: Just quickly, because I literally just mentioned Tartt. 00:38:55 Speaker 2: As you started talking, Fitz, Ian Rappaport tweeted that Jackson Dart is likely lost for the season. 00:39:02 Speaker 1: The knee injury is worse than they expected. 00:39:05 Speaker 2: It's not 100% guaranteed he's out for the year, but it's worth it anticipated after the MRI out an extended period of time. possibly I've seen possibly and likely are the two ways they've described for this full season for Jackson. 00:39:17 Speaker 4: Oh man, that is a crusher. 00:39:19 Speaker 2: Continue to keep an eye on that. But yeah, that's a very, very tough, obviously in that regard, Parker Washington, less tough, very fun to watch this season. Um, what what it's sort of fun when the entire industry is all on the same page about a guy and then it just works out like that i feel like that doesn't happen quite often we often have the rug pulled out from under us parker washington has looked awesome we expect him to continue to look awesome Quite frankly, the dynasty rankings have not caught up to that yet. He's still down in the 30s. That is obviously erroneous based on what we've seen, and. 00:39:54 Speaker 1: He's only 24 years old. 00:39:55 Speaker 2: I was talking with Erickson on a show earlier today, on the trade show, and he has Parker Washington. This isn't dynasty, but for rest of season, that's his wide receiver eight. He is wanting to be aggressive on ranking Parker Washington. I agree with him in wanting to be aggressive. I've seen enough to say the analysts who were touting this guy in the offseason were correct. maybe eight itself is aggressive, but I think consensus rest of seasons, like varsity or 14 or something to me, like, you know, dynasty wise, he obviously needs to be inside the top 24 and probably a lot higher than that. Just, you know, despite where he's at right now, Bogman for you, Parker Washington as a breakout this year, how, how high are you raising him in your rankings? 00:40:35 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm taking my medicine, right? Like I was skeptical on not Parker Washington's talent. Like I always thought he was underrated as a talent, coming into the NFL. And you can go back on that in the, the, the draft classes in here. But when everyone was so positive about him coming in and coming into this season, and I was like, okay, well, Brian Thomas was like a non-factor last year. He's kind of turned to a Marvin Harrison type, right? Like they needed divorce as well. We said that the whole off season, it didn't happen. And now they're not going to get anything for him. They should have traded him this off season for sure. Specifically because he's not like, I think Travis Hunter has more snaps than him in two wide receiver sets than Brian Thomas. It's ridiculous right now what they're doing with him. But also, after they traded for Jacoby Myers, Jacoby Myers played more than Parker Washington. So I was just like, I know the talent's there. I just don't know about the usage. The usage has been insane. The production has been insane. So I'm absolutely taking my medicine on Parker Washington and admitting my fault. 00:41:40 Speaker 4: I had him. 00:41:41 Speaker 3: I was one of the people that had him in the 30s. And I have moved him up to, I think I'm going to move him up to 13, guys. Would you rather have Garrett Wilson or Parker Washington? 00:41:53 Speaker 4: Hmm. Probably, that's close. 00:41:56 Speaker 1: I think Wilson, but that is close. 00:41:58 Speaker 4: That's really close. 00:42:00 Speaker 3: I think that's the range, right? Parker Washington belongs with Wilson, McConkie, Olave, Rasheed Rice, guys like that. Not below Carnell Tate. And the right picks from this year. 00:42:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:42:13 Speaker 4: I was just going to say he's going to go ahead of Carnell Tate for me. 00:42:16 Speaker 1: For sure. 00:42:16 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:42:17 Speaker 1: I mean, that's an easy one. What about Luther Burden? You were so high. 00:42:22 Speaker 4: He's going to be ahead of Luther Burden. He's going to be ahead of Luther Burden. 00:42:25 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:42:26 Speaker 4: I mean, Parker Washington has done it consistently. Burden hasn't yet. 00:42:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:42:31 Speaker 1: I'll throw one more. Devante Smith. 00:42:33 Speaker 2: He's actually over 18 in consensus. 00:42:35 Speaker 4: He'll still be behind Devante Smith for me. 00:42:37 Speaker 2: I think they're both too low, which is why I agree. Obviously, Parker Washington much further too low. 00:42:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, really fun. 00:42:46 Speaker 2: Let's go to your next players here, Bogman, because you're pairing a couple of receivers together. 00:42:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, not many rookies have made an immediate impact, but both Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion, I think, are trustable in leagues where you have three starting wide receivers and a flex. Right. I think they are absolutely trustable. And that's with terrible quarterback

play. Right. Boston and Concepcion, both 11 of 52 in targets. That's a 21.2% target share on their teams. Last season, Harold Fannin led with 19.4%. And then it was a smattering of Jerry Judy at 18.6%, David Njoku at 10.5%. Their fourth leading target percenter player last year was Sal Cannella at 8.8%. That's how bad it was in Cleveland in 2025. So, This year, Fannin is down to 17.3%, but Boston has been absolutely a pillar at this point. His advanced stats through two weeks, again, you don't take these at face value through two weeks only, but they've been really good. Top 20 in yards per outrun, separation score, win rate, yak perception, inside the 20 targets per game, touchdowns per game, yards per game, fantasy points expected per game, 12th in fantasy points per game, and a 92.3% snap rate. for Denzel Boston. It's been incredible. Now Casey Concepcion hasn't had that snap rate. He's down at 69.2%, but he's had the same amount of targets and four design carries as well. So Boston might be a little more believable, but Cleveland has designed plays to get Casey Concepcion on the ball. So, you know, it has changed the face of what this offense looks like. We did see a big win for Cleveland against Tampa Bay. Uh, also, you know, Baker Mayfield might be, uh, heading into the sunset there, but, um, Both these guys have made immediate impacts for their teams, and we just haven't seen Makai Lemon, we haven't seen Carnell Tate make these big impacts yet. And I'm not saying they can't, but these guys already seem pretty trustable with less than stellar quarterback play, and that makes me very excited about them moving forward. 00:44:54 Speaker 2: Would you, Bogman, if you were reasonably confident your pick was going to be late, would you trade a late 27 first for either of these guys right now, having seen them what they've done early on. 00:45:06 Speaker 1: In their careers. 00:45:06 Speaker 2: And, you know, Concepcion was a mid pick this year, like trading late for next year. 00:45:12 Speaker 1: Boston's look good. What do you think? 00:45:14 Speaker 3: I think that's probably still a bit too high. Okay. But I think these guys, you know, like if you wanted to put Denzel Boston ahead of Makai Lemon and Carnell Tate today, Tyson, who's not playing, I'm okay with that. Casey Concepcion may be a little less because of snap count, but also the design plays are going towards him. Like these guys, It seems like the Browns have finally found their number one and number two wide receiver moving forward here. It doesn't mean that they won't draft another wide receiver high or anything, but they need that quarterback spot. They need offensive line help. I think the skill position players, specifically pass catchers, are pretty good. I think I'd probably stick with what they have there next year, and these guys should be their wide receivers for a while. 00:45:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Fitz, the top three target earners in this offense a year from now, with whatever the new quarterback is, and hopefully a better offensive line, should definitely be Boston, Concepcion, and Fannin. Those, to me, feel like you have your core, like Bogman is saying. 00:46:09 Speaker 4: I don't want to get the hopes of Browns fans up, but can you imagine if they were able to get Arch Manning and have him throwing to the core of Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion, and Harold Fannin? How fun that would be. 00:46:23 Speaker 3: Everything they expected from Watson. 00:46:26 Speaker 4: Yeah. Or Dante Moore. 00:46:30 Speaker 3: Just someone that can throw the ball down the field. 00:46:31 Speaker 4: Yes. Although Deshaun Watson, to his credit, right now ranks like 16th in EPA per dropback. Like, he has not been the train wreck we thought, which is good because it's given us a chance to evaluate Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion and thumbs up so far on what we've seen. And if we're redoing 2026 rookie drafts, Denzel Boston is my wide receiver one over Carnell Tate, over Jordan Tyson, over Makai Lemon. Like, No question in my mind. Like he is. And we heard this from the Browns beat writers in training camp that he was the real deal. Like they were convinced of that. And it's just like, oh. 00:47:15 Speaker 3: They've been convinced about a lot of other guys, though. 00:47:17 Speaker 4: So it was. 00:47:18 Speaker 3: A hit on the field first. 00:47:20 Speaker 4: It was a pretty steady drumbeat that both of these guys were like legitimate and especially Boston. Like the buzz for him this summer was very compelling. I, I'm. 00:47:31 Speaker 2: Surprised that you say no question him versus a guy like Tate. Cause I know the offensive situation is horrid in, in Tennessee. Not that it's any good in Cleveland, but like I, maybe I just have a soft spot for these Ohio state receivers. Like I can't give up on Marvin Harrison jr. I'm certainly not ready to. 00:47:49 Speaker 1: Give up on. 00:47:49 Speaker 2: Carnell Tate is a player that I really liked. So to say that it's like very definitive for you just two weeks in is surprising to me. 00:47:56 Speaker 4: The only thing is where I'm like, I don't think any less of Tate as a prospect. I think he's the same guy. Basically, my opinion of him is unchanged and he was my wide receiver one. The only issue, like I never thought Carnell Tate was going to be a high volume receiver. Like he's this big play artist. I mean, like I figure at his peak, he's a guy who's maybe like, you know, 70 catches, 1100 yards or something. I don't, I don't think there's 80 catch potential there. 00:48:25 Speaker 1: So, so where is it? 00:48:26 Speaker 2: Where's Boston ranked overall dynasty receiver rankings for you then? Or if you don't have that specifically updated, but what range is he in now? 00:48:33 Speaker 4: Where is he going to be? He's going to be inside the top 30, if not the top 25, when I do my next update. 00:48:40 Speaker 2: Okay. If you guys want a chance to add some serious hardware to your

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about his skill. Like, we know he's better than Leggett, who was a first-round pick, which is just crazy to think about at this point. Leggett being a first-round pick, he just is not that guy at all. And, you know, Bryce Young was a question coming in as well. Like, is this guy, like, even if these wide receivers are great, is Bryce Young going to be the guy to unlock everything with these dudes? And he has been outstanding through two games. Don't know if that's going to continue, but his stock has to be moving up a little bit. My concern with Coker is two years in a row, the quad issue. And after week one, he was in a boot, right? Didn't matter. Came out of it and performed great week two. I just hope that that doesn't happen. Bryce Young's regression after two good starts doesn't happen as well. So I do think there's still questions. I don't think I'm putting him in that top, you know, three wide receivers quite yet. Can he be there in skill? For sure. Would I have him in a tier? that has those guys. 00:52:21 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:52:22 Speaker 3: Um, but guaranteed top 36 wide receiver. I'm not there quite yet after a couple of weeks, but I mean, it takes two more weeks of this for me to get there. So, uh, steady dump drum beat of moving up on Jalen Coker for me. Cause I wasn't really a believer coming in. 00:52:37 Speaker 2: I also kind of feel like the dynasty wide receiver landscape doesn't feel as deep as its reputation would suggest. Like if you like, there's a lot of names that you can say, Oh, I want to take an upside swing here or, have a lottery ticket there, but I'm like. 00:52:51 Speaker 3: There's... Jamison Williams, right? Like Jamison Williams or Jalen Coker, Fitzy. 00:52:55 Speaker 4: Oh, Jamo. 00:52:56 Speaker 3: Still Jamo. 00:52:57 Speaker 4: Two, oh yeah, come on. Two bad games. He left so much on the table with his week one usage, and that was just like two drops and a couple hard to handle throws he couldn't get on. His very first catch, his knee goes down at the one foot line, could have been a touchdown. Drops what should have been a 45-yarder. Yeah, man, don't get down on JMO after two weeks. 00:53:17 Speaker 3: Are we giving DK Metcalf that same stuff? 00:53:19 Speaker 4: No. No, I would rather have Coker than Metcalf. Let me ask you guys this. Rasheed Rice and all that baggage or Jalen Coker? 00:53:28 Speaker 2: Rice. I still want the upside of Rice, and I'm typically down on Rice, but I think in this case I'd rather have the upside there. But it's kind of funny just to even have to ask the question. I was going to throw out to you, Fitz. Because we talked, again, on the trade show with myself and Erickson earlier today, we were talking rest-of-season rankings, and these guys are basically the same age. So you would think rest-of-season dynasty is somewhat similar. Back-to-back in consensus, Matthew Golden and Jalen Coker. One a first-round pick a year ago, the other undrafted. Golden getting more opportunity this year. Obviously, Jaden Reed now with the injury. 00:54:04 Speaker 1: Still a tough offensive line. 00:54:05 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what that offense is going to look like going forward. But having said all that, they're back-to-back in rest-of-season rankings. And again, roughly the same age. Who do you prefer in Dynasty? 00:54:14 Speaker 4: I would rather have Coker. 00:54:16 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:54:17 Speaker 4: It's close though. 00:54:18 Speaker 3: For me, but it's not by a lot. 00:54:19 Speaker 4: It's close. And in rest of season rankings, I'm slightly higher on Coker. Five spot gap. 00:54:24 Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. 00:54:25 Speaker 1: Bogman, who is your next player? 00:54:28 Speaker 3: Yeah. Next, I want to talk about Ramondre Stevenson, really to talk about Travion Henderson. But, you know, I felt like, Fitzy and I were the only people that were crazy high on Travion Henderson going into the year. And then of course he has the injury week one and it's like, Hey, here we go. This has been, this has been the bugaboo that's bit Travion Henderson a little bit was the injury stuff, but all it took, and this is the fault of having a hard old coach like Mike Rabel. All it took was one Stevenson fumble and here comes Travion Henderson. And he had the big burst run for a touchdown and, And then he got stuffed a lot after that. Steelers defensive line is still pretty good. Just didn't have a, you know, a good plan for that touchdown run that Henderson had. But this, this grip on work in new England is, is not firm for any back, and I think that Stevenson's fumble has put him in the doghouse already. We'll see what this looks like next week, but it's really dumb, in my opinion, to do this like this. You either trust a guy or you don't. You either trust Stevenson, and if he fumbles, you live with it, you put him out there in the situations that he's better than Travion Henderson is, or you don't. Mike Tomlin has done this in the past as well, which has super... It's just... it annoys me. Anytime a guy puts the ball on the ground, you yank him out of there. Like maybe the guy's having a bad day. Sure. I get it. Don't fumble my football. I understand all of that stuff, but these are professionals, man. And you put Henderson out there to get stuffed a bunch after that. So I think this, this is wavering, but I really like my take on Henderson. Now that one fumble pulled Stevenson out of the game, basically in the second half. I mean, he did get in there and get a couple more touches, but it was, almost all Henderson after this fumble. So, you know, all the advanced stats calling Henderson better. I even heard, I cannot remember his name. I need to look it up. But the guy who owns the Boston Sports Journal, right? I was listening to my Steelers podcast and he was on there giving an opponent view of the Patriots for the upcoming game. And he was like, everyone talks about Travion Henderson. It's all these fantasy dorks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Stevenson is a much better back at practice. He's much better back out there. And I'm like, this guy didn't watch any college football. If he says that like Travion Henderson is a very, very good back. I think he takes over this job by the end of the year. And that's why I had him ranked high coming in. And I'm not coming off that even being banged up in week one because he already looks pretty good. 00:56:58 Speaker 2: It's interesting fits that last year, it wasn't just one fumble was all it took to get Ramondre off the field. There was multiple fumbles and it was people were still clamoring like, OK, why are we not seeing more Travion Henderson despite Ramondre still fumbling? And then this year you see it and Travion immediately gets the opportunity and does something with it. What do you make of the situation? 00:57:20 Speaker 4: I do think it's about more than the fumbles because what we saw in week one when Travion Henderson was out, Ramondre Stevenson had a workmanlike effort against the Seattle Seahawks, but we saw the lack of juice. That running game felt very constrained against Seattle in week one against a good defense. And Henderson is this guy who, even against a good defense, can pop one. And a dude who, in his rookie year, sharing work with another back, had four carries of 50 or more yards. That's the kind of explosion he brings. And I was really surprised, especially in redraft, that how many really smart people in fantasy were sort of falling for the banana in the tailpipe, thinking Ramondre Stevenson was going to be the more valuable guy. over a guy with the kind of juice that Henderson has. Like I'm shocked and I thank them for letting me walk away with Travion Henderson very cheaply in a bunch of drafts. 00:58:19 Speaker 2: Find out what your players are really worth with the new fantasy pros trade market values report, compare player values from actual trades across thousands of fantasy leagues against the fantasy pros expert consensus values, quickly identify players to buy low, sell high or target in your next deal. with values for half PPR, Dynasty, and your synced teams. Make smarter trades using real market data at fantasypros.com slash markets. That's fantasypros.com slash markets. 00:58:48 Speaker 1: All right, guys. 00:58:50 Speaker 2: One more player apiece. Fitz, who did you learn a lesson about this first couple weeks? 00:58:54 Speaker 4: Dalton Kincaid, who has joined the ranks of the elite tight ends. He is currently third in the NFL in receiving yards behind Jackson Smith and Jigman Chris Alave. 12 catches, 225 yards, one touchdown. And since the start of the 2025 season, over a span of 14 games, Kincaid is averaging 12.6 yards per target. He has a 31.1% air yard share as a tight end and an average depth of target of 12.7 yards. He is a big play tight end. And I think, I don't know if the Rams caught up to them with Monday night's game. Cause I think this was pre Monday night, but up until then, like no one has used more multiple tight end sets than the bills this year, at least until that Monday night Rams game in week two. So like they are using Jackson Hawes and Dawson Knox primaries blockers, and just basically letting Dalton Kincaid be their number two wide receiver. And it looks spectacular right now. Like, Kincaid is the real deal. And I hate Brandon Bean for saying earlier this offseason that, you know, last year a PCL injury sustained in 2024 by Dalton Kincaid, that held him to 38% of the offensive snaps in 2025. And I believe Brandon Bean said earlier this offseason that they might have to continue to manage that because the PCL was going to be an issue still. He's got a 69% snap share through two weeks this week. So he is playing a lot more snaps. And that's the reason I mentioned him as a fade on a couple of offseason shows. Because I felt like at 2.7 yards per route run in 2025, he was already maxed out on efficiency. Turned out I was wrong there. And that he would have to, considering that he was hyper-efficient last year, still didn't finish as a tight end one in fantasy. He was going to have to play a lot more snaps this year to become a truly valuable tight end. And that was kind of set up as something that wasn't going to happen. Well, it's happened. And he's become even more efficient than he was last year. So right now he's just like a superhero tight end. 01:01:16 Speaker 2: He's jumped up to tight end six in the consensus dynasty rankings ahead of Pitts, Laporta, and Fannin. Still behind Bowers, McBride, Loveland, Warren, and Kraft. Bogman, how high can he get this season, do you think? 01:01:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's it, right? Like, I don't know if we're going to put him... I mean, if Loveland doesn't improve, Loveland will move down. But I'm not putting him ahead of Warner Craft quite yet. Of course, I still have him behind Fannin and Pitts, but that could change. I have them in the same tier at this point. But, you know, Fitzy and I, we're both, you know, we can pat ourselves on the back about trading on Henderson, but we were both wrong about Kincaid because I... I was with Fitz on this, right? Like, it's okay, a guy that still hasn't had surgery on this knee, a team that likes to mix all of these tight ends up. And, you know, you bring in DJ Moore, who's going to, you know, take away a lot of targets from everybody. So it seemed like the writing on the wall was, hey, look, this is a part-time tight end that is fourth in the pecking order and not second. And that's kind of what I was reading into. But what a change going from McDermott, speaking of hard-o coaches, going from McDermott to Brady has been right. Like Brady just has had this guy in there more. And we also, you know, I don't like to believe the players because every single player is Pollyanna about their injuries. Oh yeah. You know, I'm coming back. It's going to be great. Blah, blah, blah. And Kincaid said that he said, this is the best I felt in a

couple of years. We really didn't buy into it. And obviously it was true. So separation score still isn't great. Win rate still is middling for him, but it doesn't matter. He's just wide open. When Josh Allen throws him the ball, they're so worried about Josh Allen. He gets these wide open lanes. So, yeah, it's working really well right now, and he has to move up the order. 01:03:02 Speaker 2: I feel like Fitz, his ceiling by the end of this season is tight end three in Dynasty. 01:03:08 Speaker 1: And again, we're talking ceiling, like best case scenario. 01:03:10 Speaker 3: Absolute ceiling, yes. 01:03:10 Speaker 2: He's not going to be ahead of Bowers or McBride. I think he could be ahead of Loveland, Warren, and Kraft, depending on how the year shakes out. I mean, Tyler Warren's gotten in the end zone, but he has almost no yardage this season so far. Loveland has done neither. And Kraft hasn't really done anything coming back from the injury yet. Like he's up at six, but I think there's three more spots that are at least attainable if this keeps up. I'm not saying it definitely will, but I think that's on the table, Fitz. 01:03:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if he is still like even top 20 in the league and receiving yardage, let alone number three, we're going to have to consider putting him ahead of the Laporta's, Fannin's, Kraft's. 01:03:45 Speaker 2: And he's already there in, uh, for at least two of those guys in, in the consensus rankings. 01:03:50 Speaker 3: So yeah, I want to see pits with, uh, Penn X first. 01:03:54 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. 01:03:55 Speaker 1: That's fair. 01:03:56 Speaker 2: Uh, all right, Bogman, we're going a little long here. So we'll go quickly on this last one. We got a couple of quarterbacks to wrap things up. 01:04:03 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's Kim Warren, Malik Wilson. They're just going to have to rapidly improve to keep their job. So I think that's basically what it's going to boil down to, to Willis, you know, maybe a little more leeway since this is his first year as a full-time starter, really. But, 21st in drop packs per game, 29th in end zone attempts, 23rd in EPA for drop back, 28th in completion percentage over expected, 20. I mean, just it's all below 20 at this point. The things that he has done well in, he's not putting the ball for grabs. So 12th in turnover worthy throws, 8th in yards per attempt, 4th in rushing touchdowns per game. But he only like if you look at his throw chart, too. He only has six completions to the left side or center of the field this year, which is very strange, right? Like teams are going to key in on that. If you're not throwing to your left at all or in the center of the field, everything's going to the right. You're not going to last long. So he needs to break that up. Obviously very early in the season for him. Cam Ward, same deal, like a little bit better on some of the things. Again, a guy that's not turning the ball over and he's actually fits. He getting the ball out faster this year, seventh in time to throw, which is nice, but hasn't resulted in anything positive for the Titans here. Second rushing touchdowns per game, 14th and rush attempts per game, 12th and design carries, but all the rest of this stuff, 21st and pressure to sack 19th fantasy points per game, 23rd and drops back dropbacks per game. The offense is not clicking on either of these teams right now. It doesn't mean it can't, but it isn't right now. And with all of these quarterbacks seeming to come out this year, If Ward and Willis aren't going to make it work, these teams are going to be picking very high and may just look to make a change at quarterback here. It's a new coaching staff for both these teams. Willis doesn't make enough to for sure guarantee him that job next year, and I thought this was going to look much better, and it just hasn't so far. So both these guys need to make rapid improvements if they want to stay in the job and on your fantasy team. 01:06:05 Speaker 2: Do you have a preference between these two in Dynasty right now, Bogman? 01:06:08 Speaker 1: They're back-to-back in consensus. 01:06:10 Speaker 3: I still like the upside of Willis is rushing, right? So I still have Willis higher, but I mean, his throwing looks real bad right now. Again, a guy that doesn't have good targets and at least Ward has good targets, but I think, uh, I think I'm still slightly on the Willis side here. 01:06:26 Speaker 1: I get the upside of his rushing. He just hasn't run that much. 01:06:28 Speaker 2: I mean, he's eight attempts across the first two weeks. Kirk cousins is nine. Like he just, Willis is not running the way I expected him to. Um, which is he's not going to hit his fantasy ceiling. If he's not running is, is true. Main issue there fits. We're out on these two. I'm especially curious about cam ward. Cause it's really, it's really fascinating that it was just a year ago that he was the number one overall pick. And, you know, even last season, though it was a disaster, there was a lot of like, well, you see the flashes here and there. I felt like that people were pretty interested in him as a, at the very least a franchise quarterback. It is not there. And maybe it's a coaching issue, but it also might just be a player issue. And, this might be like similar to the Cardinals where they draft a guy in the top 10 and then very quickly get another early pick and take somebody else instead with Kyler Murray and from going from Josh Rosen is of course what I'm referring to. So I wonder if we're on that same path in Tennessee. 01:07:21 Speaker 4: Ma, you went on the Josh Rosen road. I'm not saying he's as bad. 01:07:24 Speaker 2: As Josh Rosen, but just the same storyline panning out. 01:07:28 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely, both guys still rank like towards the very back end of my top 20 for dynasty quarterbacks. I don't know that they'll move down that much. And I don't want to wave the white flag just because both are in such bad ecosystems. Like, man, I, I had hoped that the dolphins might have a passable offensive line that that offensive line is terrible. Like I think the dolphins have given up the second highest pressure rate and like Willis not getting rid of the ball, though the pressure to sack rate for Willis has been uncomfortably high. So, Yeah, I mean, bad situations for both guys, but they have certainly not, when you account for the situations, yeah, they have not exceeded the situations in any way. It's been pretty rough so far. Yeah. 01:08:16 Speaker 2: Just a reminder to everybody that you can join our Fantasy Pros Discord community, chat with other fans, and get access to exclusive AMAs that wind up on our podcast feed. Current schedule looks like this. Myself and Fitz, at 5 Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month. Bogman and Fitz at 5 Eastern on the third Tuesday of every month. Welsh and Erickson at 2 Eastern every Thursday. Come get your questions answered and be on the show at fantasypros.com slash chat. We'll go ahead and wrap things up there. For Bogman and Fitz, I'm Ryan Wormley. Thanks for tuning in. 01:08:45 Speaker 1: We'll see you again next time. 01:08:47 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast. If you love the show, the best free way to support us is by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Follow us on X, Instagram, and TikTok at Fantasy Podcasts. and subscribe to our YouTube channel at youtube.com slash fantasypros.